[WISPA] Wispapalooza 2013 Presentations
Hello, If you were not able to make it to Wispapalooza this year you missed a great show. If you did thank you for making it a great show. We will be sending out a survey soon looking for your feedback. All feedback is welcome. Even though the show has been better and better each year we need to make sure we are catering to your needs. One bit of great feedback from Marlon was to have expert sessions. We would find experts on the topic and they would dive deep into it. Below is the schedule of the show with links to the presentations. I am still missing a few, but as soon as I get them I will send an update out. I am also still working on my sample contracts and evaluations for the mergers and acquisitions presentation. I have to scrub out the names of the companies we bought so it takes some time to get it done. As soon as I have that done I will send it out as well. Thanks Sessions good for a new WISP.https://custom.cvent.com/400DF70C75B149AEB88713E091C71C51/files/6e24ab85467c4a6a88fccc9460e503a3.pdf Saturday 12th PON Fiber Ecosystem Overviewhttps://custom.cvent.com/400DF70C75B149AEB88713E091C71C51/files/69ed429350d3475b87935bbc3b4c1151.pdf Vault and Fiber Managementhttps://custom.cvent.com/400DF70C75B149AEB88713E091C71C51/files/46231303d97d46a78d20f3c7ad7e9042.pdf Fiber Optic Cable Handling and Specificshttps://custom.cvent.com/400DF70C75B149AEB88713E091C71C51/files/09eb1b55fc4b42bdb966d95e3e8b6f13.pdf What is Engineeringhttps://custom.cvent.com/400DF70C75B149AEB88713E091C71C51/files/46231303d97d46a78d20f3c7ad7e9042.pdf Excel Worksheethttps://custom.cvent.com/400DF70C75B149AEB88713E091C71C51/files/632e584942fc4d629cddb68937a5d8a0.xlsx ONT, OLT and Software Managementhttps://custom.cvent.com/400DF70C75B149AEB88713E091C71C51/files/07f877916f7a496795fc25d79833fde5.pdf Sunday 13th IPTV- Foundation and Generationshttps://custom.cvent.com/400DF70C75B149AEB88713E091C71C51/files/bd9fe2cfdead4d1cbdf27d627db990cf.pdf Monday 14th No Presentations Tuesday 15th Vendor Introductionshttps://custom.cvent.com/400DF70C75B149AEB88713E091C71C51/files/8d6dd6e1246147feb9572190bde4d33f.pdf 2:30 Spectrum Hurtz so goodhttps://custom.cvent.com/400DF70C75B149AEB88713E091C71C51/files/369b19576667470984c8c782bf0071dc.pdf Customer Servicehttps://custom.cvent.com/400DF70C75B149AEB88713E091C71C51/files/7d3ee03bebdb49478c642d0790abe14d.pdf WISP 101 Key Spectrumhttps://custom.cvent.com/400DF70C75B149AEB88713E091C71C51/files/d5e0cad1567a4e7eb6a80e37ae644d2d.pdf FCC Regulatory Checklisthttps://custom.cvent.com/400DF70C75B149AEB88713E091C71C51/files/ab3c637248fe4b589a9daffb3b6c6e1b.pdf Mapping and Billinghttps://custom.cvent.com/400DF70C75B149AEB88713E091C71C51/files/2b266acd300744b08f430cdcdbdb9250.pdf Expect A Profithttps://custom.cvent.com/400DF70C75B149AEB88713E091C71C51/files/f65252ab578e4714b3e3b18db4d48ad2.pdf 3:45 How to hire the right people for installer and supporthttps://custom.cvent.com/400DF70C75B149AEB88713E091C71C51/files/8799ad6e7da1431bb1955ea360303ee8.pdf (Wisper Hiring Processhttps://custom.cvent.com/400DF70C75B149AEB88713E091C71C51/files/77ee6102f3774f29acecbe8faf70497d.pdf) Fiber Economics in Small Towns As we grow - Learn how to protect yourself against legal issues Wednesday 16th 9:00 Getting Address Space from ARINhttps://custom.cvent.com/400DF70C75B149AEB88713E091C71C51/files/d6050f643ce34132877a65d16fbf20b4.pdf New Business Opportunities: Small Cells and Wholesale DAShttps://custom.cvent.com/400DF70C75B149AEB88713E091C71C51/files/b133894e44e6418f844499f950a7a8dd.pdf Layer 2 Vs. Layer 3, PPPOE vs DHCPhttps://custom.cvent.com/400DF70C75B149AEB88713E091C71C51/files/a4b1f3eff4f046b2bb4e944375bb645b.pdf 10:15 Business Challenges 1 - 1,000https://custom.cvent.com/400DF70C75B149AEB88713E091C71C51/files/d5be56cc94774b1bb1c3d8e97124dcee.pdf Business Challenges 1,001 - 3,000https://custom.cvent.com/400DF70C75B149AEB88713E091C71C51/files/58b303cc235a48a08c141939581beb02.pdf Business Challenges 3,000https://custom.cvent.com/400DF70C75B149AEB88713E091C71C51/files/40c1b949722a40aa96d62712b55c8270.pdf 2:30 How to Develop a Sales force In-House and Agent Programshttps://custom.cvent.com/400DF70C75B149AEB88713E091C71C51/files/82e07993dd1c4388be02a776c1bac41f.pdf Merger Acquisitions - Financial Benchmarking based on WISP Sizehttps://custom.cvent.com/400DF70C75B149AEB88713E091C71C51/files/4bd8505e52a44f88bf73b09711215b92.pdf VOIP form the Technical Side (No Presentation) 3:45 Benefiting from BTOP BIP without taking a dimehttps://custom.cvent.com/400DF70C75B149AEB88713E091C71C51/files/76f86b8b36db4628960dd78bc12ec98a.pdf Troubleshooting Methodology TV White Space Update: Equipment and Deployment
[WISPA] Prevailing Wage
Hello, We are working on several wireless and security camera proposals for municipalities in our area, Illinois. The question has been raised about Prevailing Wage and if we have to pay it. When looking into it, it looks like we do. All $44/hour to any one that works on the project. I do not want to get people all up in arms about the Prevailing Wage act. That is a discussion we can have at a WISPA show after hours. :) Has anyone had to deal with this? Did you get a for sure answers yes or no? Where you audited and survived? Thanks ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo to acquire Aperto
Hello, But AMD was. LOL -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 11:05 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo to acquire Aperto Not all buy outs mean the company is in trouble, does it? I didn't think ATI was in trouble when AMD bought them. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 12:01 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Wow Was Aperto in financial trouble? This is like YDI buying Proxim Or Ubiquity buying Motorola Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Mar 31, 2010, at 11:45 AM, Drew Lentz d...@drewlentz.com wrote: Didn't see this one coming but it looks like it could lead to some nice products for WISPs. http://bit.ly/bX4HTc Canadian Company Tranzeo Wireless to Acquire Aperto Networks Tranzeo strengthens its international market with complete broadband solution PITT MEADOWS, BRITISH COLUMBIA, Mar 31, 2010 (MARKETWIRE via COMTEX) -- BC-based Tranzeo Wireless Technologies Inc. (CA:TZT /investing/stock/TZT?countrycode=ca  1.61, +0.04, +2.55%), a premier manufacturer of wireless broadband and WiMAX communication systems, announced today it has entered into a definitive merger agreement with Aperto Networks, Inc. (Aperto) and key Aperto shareholders. Under the terms of the merger agreement, and upon the satisfaction of closing conditions, Aperto will be merged into a newly incorporated subsidiary of Tranzeo, with Aperto surviving and continuing to be operated as a wholly-owned subsidiary of Tranzeo. The merger will greatly increase Tranzeo's market share as it becomes a complete end-to-end broadband solutions provider featuring WiFi, WiMax and LTE products. Aperto's current backlog of all purchase orders is US $8.3 million. This will be added to Tranzeo's current backlog of US$32.7M. Acquiring Aperto immediately transforms Tranzeo into a market leading complete solutions provider for major telecommunications operators while still supplying product to Tranzeo's existing wireless Internet service providers, said Jim Tocher, President and CEO of Tranzeo. With an established world-wide customer base and a pipeline of new customers now in trials, the benefits of today's announcement will start to bear fruit within a year. The future for Tranzeo has never looked better. The combining of Tranzeo and Aperto is a big win for wireless service providers, said Randall Meals, Chairman of Aperto's Board and Managing Director of Quicksilver Ventures. We continue to be bullish on the broadband wireless market and now Tranzeo's position in the market. Existing Tranzeo and Aperto customers will greatly benefit from the combined technologies and complete solutions Tranzeo will now be able to provide. Tranzeo's responsiveness, world-class manufacturing and additional product breadth combined with Aperto's proven worldwide sales, support team, and channels will significantly benefit our customers on a global basis,said Bill Waters, Senior Vice President of Worldwide Sales and Support at Aperto Networks. I am looking forward to serving our existing customers, expanding our market and providing new solutions to our channel partners. This is very good news for TRG and the future of broadband services in Indonesia, said Gatot Tetuko, President of PT. Teknologi Riset Global (TRG), an affiliate company of leading telecommunication infrastructure provider the Indonesian Tower Group. With our joint development agreement with Tranzeo, this will give us access to additional advanced wireless technologies which we will incorporate into our broadband solutions. Tranzeo expects to complete the acquisition of Aperto through issuances of common shares to the stockholders of Aperto. Upon satisfaction of the required closing conditions, Tranzeo will issue common shares to the stockholders of Aperto based on a US$5 million base consideration amount, as adjusted for liabilities and cash of Aperto at closing. Subject to the satisfaction of certain additional earn-out conditions, Tranzeo may issue additional common shares to the stockholders of Aperto based on revenues attributable to certain products of Aperto that are sold by Tranzeo during a one-year earn-out period following the date of closing of the merger. These earn-out shares would be issued within 120 days of the expiry of the earn-out period. All share issuances will be based on the volume weighted average trading price of Tranzeo's common shares for the five trading days prior to this announcement of the Merger Agreement. The merger is anticipated to be completed in mid-April 2010. Completion of the merger will be subject
Re: [WISPA] FCC Enforcements
Hello, So in those areas they want no 5.2 or 5.4 at all or only in the already blocked out part of the 5.4 band? Thanks -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Webster Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 9:53 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Enforcements And here is a Google Earth file for the areas they want protected around these radar sites. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 9:01 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Enforcements http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terminal_Doppler_Weather_Radar Attached is a map of TDWR locations in the United States. From what I read the radar has a range of 460 kilometers. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Blair Davis Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 3:26 AM To: wa4...@arrl.net; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Enforcements A thing to note... All these enforcement actions were taken because of interference with licensed users Lessons I get from them... 1) Stay off the 5.4GHz band 2) Keep your EIRP down 3) Check your installations for out of band emissions. Leon D. Zetekoff wrote: Was going through recent enforcement actions and came across these: http://www.fcc.gov/eb/FieldNotices/2003/DOC-296094A1.html http://www.fcc.gov/eb/FieldNotices/2003/DOC-290776A1.html http://www.fcc.gov/eb/FieldNotices/2003/DOC-290775A1.html Make sure you are legal. You never know when a surprise can happen. Leon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 5.4 legal ptp radios
Hello, As far as I know the Tranzeo TR-5A is not approved in the US. While the radio can do it physically it does not have DFS and has not been approved for use in the US. I hope I am wrong. Any have the FCC doc to show it is OK to use in the US? I have not searched the FCC site for them. Thanks -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 10:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 5.4 legal ptp radios I'm trying to compile a list of options for FCC certified 5.4 ptp radios for short backhaul links. Off the top of my head, I can remember: Tranzeo TR-5A Trango TrangoLINK-45 Radwin 2000 (has mimo as well) Motorola PTP 100, 200, 300, 500, 600 Any others I'm not aware of? Sure would be nice to see more mimo/N radios certified in 5.4. Anyone working through the approval process (ligowave?). -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc 435-674-0165 x 2010 http://www.infowest.com/ Letting off steam always produces more heat than light. - Neal A. Maxwell WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 5.4 legal ptp radios
Hello, I am glad I was wrong, I have been looking for a BH solution in the 5.4 gHz range at the price range of Tranzeo. How much bandwidth can you push in the 5.4 range. Can it use 20mhz cannels or 40 mhz or can you select that? Thanks -Original Message- From: Kurt Fankhauser [mailto:k...@wavelinc.com] Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 2:52 PM To: nstooke...@wisperisp.com; 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] 5.4 legal ptp radios Just hooked up a Tranzeo link between two buildings using two TR-5A-24's. These models did have the DFS built into them. I set the band to 5.4ghz and there is no other channel selection available. The Tranzeo decides what channel it will be on. And you do not have the ability to set Transmit Power in the wireless configuration page anymore. This is how it works. When the AP radio boots up it starts listening on a random channel. After 60 seconds of not hearing any of the 5.4ghz radar signatures it will then start broadcasting its SSID and then the client will connect. Its kind of annoying at fisrt cause you don't know if you have the AP/Clients configured correctly until at least 60 seconds have gone by but I have gotten used to it now. Now if it detects radar in the 60 second window it will go to the next channel and start the process over again. If it goes through all the channels and they all have radar present the radio will stop searching for clean channels after 30 minutes and then start all over again. The link I set up was about 150 yards so the TR-5A-24's were overkill. But the good thing is under the DFS configuration page you do have the ability to turn your EIRP power down. The Tranzeo will not allow itself to have more EIRP than 1 watt. It knows that it has a 24db antenna and will adjust the radio accordingly. However you can force the power to be less than 1 watt EIRP by setting the Transmit Power Control to MANUAL instead of AUTOMATIC. The link between the two buildings has their Transmit Power Control set at 10dBm which automatically turns the radio output power to -14db. So -14db transmit power plus 24db antenna gain = 10dBm EIRP = 1/100th of a watt :) Even at 1/100th of a watt on this short of a link the signals are still at -55db on each side. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Nathan Stooke Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 1:06 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.4 legal ptp radios Hello, As far as I know the Tranzeo TR-5A is not approved in the US. While the radio can do it physically it does not have DFS and has not been approved for use in the US. I hope I am wrong. Any have the FCC doc to show it is OK to use in the US? I have not searched the FCC site for them. Thanks -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 10:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 5.4 legal ptp radios I'm trying to compile a list of options for FCC certified 5.4 ptp radios for short backhaul links. Off the top of my head, I can remember: Tranzeo TR-5A Trango TrangoLINK-45 Radwin 2000 (has mimo as well) Motorola PTP 100, 200, 300, 500, 600 Any others I'm not aware of? Sure would be nice to see more mimo/N radios certified in 5.4. Anyone working through the approval process (ligowave?). -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc 435-674-0165 x 2010 http://www.infowest.com/ Letting off steam always produces more heat than light. - Neal A. Maxwell WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Reminder - 477 Utility
Hello, We are going to look into it for sure. We really like the idea, but we got our form in over the weekend so we are not jumping on it. Thanks -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Cameron Crum Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 11:34 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Reminder - 477 Utility To date only a handful of people have used the FCC utility we posted the other day. I'm surprised given the discussion that went on two weeks ago about the issue. If you are having trouble or need help with getting this going, please feel free to email me at cc...@wispmon.com or just call us 817-764-0956 if you have questions or problems. It's raining here today so I'll be around. Remember, the filing is due today. Cameron WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] US Cellular towers
Hello, What we were told: 3 year lease 100% paid up front Licensed band only for both BH and AP 3.65 was acceptable $500/month minimum Thanks -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 11:09 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] US Cellular towers Has anyone gotten on a US Cellular tower? Doing some sample pricing for the state and the only towers I can readily find in the areas are US Cellular owned and I can't seem to find where to contact them about it. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Connected Nation
Hello, We are in the same state and chose not to give them the data either. Not only would it take us a good while to get the data they wanted we did not feel good about the setup. Until the state makes us or CN changes we will not be giving them any info. Thanks -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 1:30 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Connected Nation Has anyone determined whether Connected Nation is good or bad for us? My state hired them for the map, but I don't want to respond with any information if the things I heard in the past are still true. I don't remember the points, I just remembered that they were bad news, so to avoid them. They sent me an NDA, but I never really read any of that stuff anyway. Most any contract is about as effective as a paper bag holding water. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Introducing NetCare
Hello, Yep, I see it now. Nice write up. It is so good I can see the government them implementing it. Thanks -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of MDK Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 12:00 PM To: nsto...@wisperisp.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Introducing NetCare You, my friend, are an intelligent and thoughtful person. Now, please go and read the disclaimer at the bottom of the original post :) -- From: Nathan Stooke nstooke...@wisperisp.com Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 10:41 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Introducing NetCare Hello, Someone pitch me please. You have got to be kidding me right... So our lowest package is $39.99 a month. The max I would get is $16/month if I am lucky. Our lowest package use to be $59/month. When that was the lowest package, we had very little tech support calls that where a waste of our time. Most people that could afford the $59/month plan where somewhat computer savvy or at least educated enough to know when we said it was not a problem with our service they believed us. We then came out with a $39/month plan. Yes we added more customers, but man did our support calls go up and the dumb ones shot through the roof. The clients became more unreasonable and if I had to guess take up about 80% of my companies time dealing with them while they only make up 35% of our customer revenue. This seems like a very bad deal for the ISP for sure. I know I will not sign up for it until I have to unless they are talking about us getting a huge and I mean huge setup fee. If you can afford to have a computer or 2 or 3, I would think you can afford to pay for Internet. Shot most people on this plan would most likely have a better car then I drive. It all comes down to what you want to spend your money. Next they will make the ISP provide the Computer and all warranty work on it for free. I am all for helping the disadvantaged and we do on a case by case bases, but being forced to provide service to clients that I know I will be losing money each month on does not seem right. Just my 2 cents. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of MDK Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 11:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Introducing NetCare After long debate, it has been determined that the reason the US lags behind other countries is that it costs too much, and people need help... so, here's the new solution. Introducing Federal NetCare, the program to make broadband available to everyone. Here's how it works: There's a simple, 4 page application process, where you list your internet usage, your computer ownership, your current broadband (or lack of), and the need in your household for broadband. When you sign up, the application is free, and when you get your letter of acceptance from the NetCare administration, you can then obtain broadband for a small, set fee. While the fee may vary according to how many computers and your apparent need for broadband, it will not be more than $6 per month, nor less than $2.Once you enroll, you may then take your NetCare enrollment ID to any participating internet service provider, who will provide you service. ISP's, this is a wonderful opportunity for you. Here's a chance to gain a dramatic increase in the number of customers, by advertising that you accept NetCare. Enrollment is quite simple.Provide 4 years of tax filings, and a complete audit of the costs of your operation using GAAP. Or, enroll for NetCare Express.If you choose NetCare Express, your cost of providing service will be estimated according to regional averages and you will be compensated 60% of the estimated costs of providing broadband up to 40% of your published rates. In no case will this be greater than 40% of your retail price.If you choose standard NetCare enrollment, you will be compensated according to your actual costs by multiplying your costs by a sliding scale of .3 to .7, depending on the profitability of your company, whether you hire veterans, and whether you use SEIU wage and benefit scale for your employees.If your company has an overall profitability greater than 5% of gross receipts, if you do not pay union scale to your employees and have no veterans on staff, and have a low percentage of employees with a Bachelor's degree or higher, your maximum reimbursement will be 30% of your costs. Each item of compliance raises your reimbursement percentage by 10 percent. Enrollment in NetCare is currently optional, but if the rate of broadband acceptance by consumers doesn't reach the target goal of 90% set by Congress in 2 years, NetCare enrollment
Re: [WISPA] Introducing NetCare
Hello, Someone pitch me please. You have got to be kidding me right... So our lowest package is $39.99 a month. The max I would get is $16/month if I am lucky. Our lowest package use to be $59/month. When that was the lowest package, we had very little tech support calls that where a waste of our time. Most people that could afford the $59/month plan where somewhat computer savvy or at least educated enough to know when we said it was not a problem with our service they believed us. We then came out with a $39/month plan. Yes we added more customers, but man did our support calls go up and the dumb ones shot through the roof. The clients became more unreasonable and if I had to guess take up about 80% of my companies time dealing with them while they only make up 35% of our customer revenue. This seems like a very bad deal for the ISP for sure. I know I will not sign up for it until I have to unless they are talking about us getting a huge and I mean huge setup fee. If you can afford to have a computer or 2 or 3, I would think you can afford to pay for Internet. Shot most people on this plan would most likely have a better car then I drive. It all comes down to what you want to spend your money. Next they will make the ISP provide the Computer and all warranty work on it for free. I am all for helping the disadvantaged and we do on a case by case bases, but being forced to provide service to clients that I know I will be losing money each month on does not seem right. Just my 2 cents. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of MDK Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 11:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Introducing NetCare After long debate, it has been determined that the reason the US lags behind other countries is that it costs too much, and people need help... so, here's the new solution. Introducing Federal NetCare, the program to make broadband available to everyone. Here's how it works: There's a simple, 4 page application process, where you list your internet usage, your computer ownership, your current broadband (or lack of), and the need in your household for broadband. When you sign up, the application is free, and when you get your letter of acceptance from the NetCare administration, you can then obtain broadband for a small, set fee. While the fee may vary according to how many computers and your apparent need for broadband, it will not be more than $6 per month, nor less than $2.Once you enroll, you may then take your NetCare enrollment ID to any participating internet service provider, who will provide you service. ISP's, this is a wonderful opportunity for you. Here's a chance to gain a dramatic increase in the number of customers, by advertising that you accept NetCare. Enrollment is quite simple.Provide 4 years of tax filings, and a complete audit of the costs of your operation using GAAP. Or, enroll for NetCare Express.If you choose NetCare Express, your cost of providing service will be estimated according to regional averages and you will be compensated 60% of the estimated costs of providing broadband up to 40% of your published rates. In no case will this be greater than 40% of your retail price.If you choose standard NetCare enrollment, you will be compensated according to your actual costs by multiplying your costs by a sliding scale of .3 to .7, depending on the profitability of your company, whether you hire veterans, and whether you use SEIU wage and benefit scale for your employees.If your company has an overall profitability greater than 5% of gross receipts, if you do not pay union scale to your employees and have no veterans on staff, and have a low percentage of employees with a Bachelor's degree or higher, your maximum reimbursement will be 30% of your costs. Each item of compliance raises your reimbursement percentage by 10 percent. Enrollment in NetCare is currently optional, but if the rate of broadband acceptance by consumers doesn't reach the target goal of 90% set by Congress in 2 years, NetCare enrollment will be forced on all internet service providers. Refusing to provide services to NetCare enrollees will result in fines and civil actions against your company, amounting to $10,000 / day. The FCC released a statement today saying This will revolutionize our economy. No longer is broadband out of reach for anyone. By creating a public - private partnership, and careful group purchase of services with it's accompanying discounts, we have broken the broadband barrier, broadband is now available to all, at rates that everyone can afford. ( Please note, resemblance to Medicare, Medicaid, and assorted other government run medical services is totally intentional, and hopefully the readers will be smart enough to start thinking
Re: [WISPA] health insurance
Hello, I worked on a programming project for one of the guys that started WedMD years back. He was starting another company that worked with the insurance flow of paper work. He said several times that 70% to 80% of the insurance premiums we pay go to the middle man and not to pay for the doctors services. My wife is from South Africa where they have a public health care system. One of the fastest growing industries is private healthcare. If you want better service or do not want to wait in huge lines or want to go to the newest hospitals you pay extra to visit the private services. Thanks -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2009 10:22 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] health insurance Yes, we in South Florida have some of the highest insurance rates (all types of insurance). There are many reasons, non of them that make a great deal of sense to me, but I have heard all kinds of excuses... The original point was, Health Care Insurance is a necessity. Health Care Insurance should be a vital benefit, provided by an Employer whenever possible. Health Care Insurance is expensive So, How do you set up this benefit so that it makes sense for all (Employer and Employee). There are a number of very effective ways to do this, rather than the drastic options to convert Employees to Contractors... BTW, if you Talk to you Accountant, they will also tell you that simply paying someone on a 1099 as a Contractor, does not make them a contract employee There are other 'litmus' tests used to determine the exact status, in-case someone challenges the status quo. Faisal Imtiaz Computer Office Solutions Inc. /SnappyDSL.net Ph: (305) 663-5518 x 232 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 11:06 PM To: fai...@snappydsl.net; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] health insurance A... now we know it's Florida that is causing everyone else's insurance rates to go up... :) We pay about $700/month to cover an entire family (this is just health insurance, the dental and vision is extra). Travis Microserv Faisal Imtiaz wrote: As a business owner, in Florida, where the Health Insurance is one of the highest in the US, we have seeing 15-20% increses every year for the last few years. It is nice to see that you offer 100% health insurance coverage for all of your Employees, where the company is picking up the Tab for the Insurance Premiums. Simply for the sake of my understanding, why would you choose to force us to go to a subcontractor type work-force (at least for 5-10 of our current employees) to get us under the 25 employee limit and . offer less benefits for everyone in the company At the end of the day, $412 / employee is not a whole lot of money, especially when you are talking about a benfit like Health Insurance... If you are looking to have some means of off-setting the additional $$$, would'nt it me easier and better for everyone if you reduced your Company provided 100% coverage to let's say 90%, and have the Employee pay the other 10% ? What are your current costs for Health Insurnace ? We are seeing typically $300-$400 / month for a single male, and $1300-$1450 /month for a family From what we have been seeing in the last few years, including our present coverage increase (approx $8100/year for 3 families)... $412 /year increase would be a Blessing and a Christmas present... --- Just a thought. Faisal Imtiaz Computer Office Solutions Inc. /SnappyDSL.net Ph: (305) 663-5518 x 232 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 7:50 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] health insurance Hi, What are everyone else's plans if this new health insurance plan gets passed in Congress? We fall in the 25-100 employee category, so they are estimating our health insurance costs would go up $412 per employee for us (we already cover 100% of the costs for our employees). So, basically this would force us to go to a subcontractor type work-force (at least for 5-10 of our current employees) to get us under the 25 employee limit and offer less benefits for everyone in the company. Once again, it seems our government is stepping in where it doesn't belong. Either take over the health care system 100% (including funding it), or leave it alone. Travis Microserv -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA
Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link
Hello, LOL, I think the disclaimer as the bottom of the page cover this! DISCLAIMER: These results are provided with no guarantee or warranty. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 3:36 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link I must have missed the day Ligowave announced 11GHz can go through mountains :-) Your calculator gives no indication of diffraction and multipath... which is often larger issues with licensed gear than rain fading. I'd also question you using the QPSK transmit power and receive sensitivity as the default values when everyone is interested in the 320Mbps throughput, which is considerably less power and a much higher receive level required. Constructive criticism... this is one of the better manufacturer calculators out there. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Hardy Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 2:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link It actually does take into account terrain data... Let us know if you have any other questions or suggestions for improvement. -Matt On Wed, 2009-12-02 at 13:29 -0700, 3-dB Networks wrote: One thing I have noticed... it does not take into account multipath, or really anything else dealing with the terrain. The calculator is really a glorified free space loss calculator with a slick interface and the terrain profile. It seems to function well... but you have to take into account terrain yourself :-) Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 1:16 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link Hey, ya know I used that thing a few times a year or so ago but forgot all about it. Thanks for pointing me back to it! Any tips on using it for non-lingo equipment? Are the custom calculations fairly close to your true results? Any significant fudge factor on it? Thanks! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Michael Baird Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 1:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link Been using this one for quick lookups, requires an account to be established though. http://www.ligowave.com/linkcalc/main.html Regards Michael Baird Yeah, I'd have to get quite a few more customers to pay for such a thing. I can certainly see the value in it but value versus food.. Uh I gotta eat. Someday, though. Someday.. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 12:42 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link As they say, you get what you pay for. For normal stuff, especially close range, you can use a variety of software packages. But for a high dollar tower, you want someone with the expertise and the software to give you reliable results. -RickG On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 11:47 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Me = Cheap RadioMobile = Free Wispmon = Yikes! It better be good but I think I'd need a few thousand customers before I didn't feel that price. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 11:38 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link A relatively nifty new monitoring service out there also has a great path profile tool built-in. The person that is developing the product is a long time wireless operator, so he has a very good feel for what our industry needs. www.wispmon.com I've been a RadioMobile user for years now, but have found myself using the path profiler in wispmon more often than RadioMobile. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Webster Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 10:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link $75 using 10 meter terrain data and 30 meter resolution tree clutter. Thank You, Brian Webster 214 Eggleston Hill Rd. Cooperstown, NY 13326 www.wirelessmapping.com 607-643-4055 Voice 607-435-3988 Mobile 208-692-1898 Fax On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 10:59 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: THANKS to EVERYONE for their input. I'll let you know what I decide.
Re: [WISPA] Lightning arrestors
Hello, Yes if it is not rated for up to 5.8ghz. You should be able to find specs on the lightning arrestor. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Michael Baird Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2009 10:01 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Lightning arrestors What happens if you use a 2.4 lightning arrestor on a 5.8 radio? Will it cause degraded signal or incorrect lightning protection. Regards Michael Baird WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] CPE - who buys it?
Hello, Do not sell it to them, just charge a higher setup fee. Thanks -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 2:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] CPE - who buys it? I've always provided the CPE to the end user and retained ownership as part of the service. That was mostly due to the high cost of CPE in the past. With the advent of lower CPE cost, I'm considering changing that to where the customer buys their own CPE. I'd like to hear the pros and cons to this strategy. -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Keyon Communications
Hello, Top heavy? Where else would you send the $12 million. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 10:57 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Keyon Communications If they will offer you cash (not stock), and it's worth your while, then money is money. :) I think the company itself is in trouble. Their big plan 3 years ago was to do a public offering just like everyone else... so they did it, and got a whole $12 million... not really even worth the time. They have had service in my area for 3+ years... but they have very few customers. Their network (at least in this area) has some major problems. I think the company itself is very, very top heavy. Travis Microserv Mark McElvy wrote: We were solicited for purchase by this company today. Anyone have anything to share about them? Mark WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave Support
Hello, We have had good success with their support. Thanks -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of can...@believewireless.net Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 7:52 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Dragonwave Support Just curious what everyone's experience with Dragonwave support has been. Do they answer e-mail/phone calls promptly? Is their support 24/7? Is the product so good you just don't know because you've never contacted them? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Resurrect old Microwave paths back to cheaper bandwidth?
Hello, This is neat to see. I know a lot of the Western Union towers where taken down. At least in the Midwest, we had a WISP in our area that was taking them down for years as a side job. I wish it was easy to rent from American. We tried to get on 10 of the old ATT towers in our area, but American had to do an engineering study and site plan for each one. That was going to cost us about $5000 each. We had to pay for it because we where the first company wanting to get on the tower. Seems when they bought the towers, the ATT guy that managed them for 40 years keep the plans as part of the severance pay. He held out on American so long they just said forget it we are not going to buy the plans for the towers. I have tried to tell them our gear is so small it will not matter, but they insist on doing the site plan and engineering study. So we never got on any of the towers and do this day no one else has either. I hope American someday wants to rent space on them. -Original Message- From: members-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:members-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Webster Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 8:51 PM To: Motorola Canopy List; memb...@wispa.org; WISPA List Subject: [WISPA Members] Resurrect old Microwave paths back to cheaper bandwidth? I've been working on a consolidated map of the fiber available around the country and was thinking about who would have infrastructure that would be worth showing. As I was thinking it occurred to me that back in the day fiber did not exist, Ma Bell did everything on microwave. So I dug around the internet and found some interesting old maps. One is the old ATT long lines microwave network and the other is the old Western Union network. If a few WISP's wanted to get together and start rebuilding these paths from their areas back to a big city, the towers are mostly still in place and some of them still have the dishes. We know the paths exist (many of them were 6 GHz) and they are well documented for the original designs on the net. American Tower owns many of the olds sites now so it should be easy to lease the space. The paths all terminate in major telecom hubs so it should be easy to get bandwidth. Just thought I would put these out there as food for thought for the WISP's who are trying to get a lot of bandwidth cheap in rural markets. Maybe these old networks pass through your area.. Have fun! Thank You, Brian Webster WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Thinking out of the box ... Gigabit PTMP? Possible solution that could be done today.
Hello, I am all for it. You have to pick the right equipment/spectrum for the right tower/area. I have at least 10 maybe more towers that have about 1000+ potential customers within about 1.5 miles of the tower. It would allow me to use the current 2.4, 5.2-5.8 on other towers for the clients I could not get or at least have less AP in those bands on these towers. At best guess what would be the range of the spectrum? Thanks -Original Message- From: members-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:members-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Webster Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 1:08 PM To: WISPA General List; Motorola Canopy List; memb...@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA Members] [WISPA] Thinking out of the box ... Gigabit PTMP? Possible solution that could be done today. So I have been thinking about this idea and here's what could be done. Disclaimer: This won't be sub $100 CPE and it won't scale economically for rural areas. This is metro market high customer density stuff. The 24 GHz band has 250 MHz of spectrum available as unlicensed (available today). It is designated for PTP. Navini and SkyPilot have successfully won arguments with the FCC to get their multipoint systems certified as PTP using logic that only one client talks to the base at one time. The JRC system is TDD and even more able to make the argument that only one base and CPE are talking on any frequency at one time. The JRC system can deliver up to 46 mb throughput per channel. Channels are 26 MHz wide, so you could easily build up a 6 sector or more system. Each JRC base station/sector can support 239 CPE's. The product is available today and would only have to be moved down from the 26 GHz they use it on in Japan (JRC has already stated they can do this). The challenge is getting the units FCC certified for use in the 24 GHz band as a PTP system. If a person or group hired the lab/lawyer who got Navini and SkyPilot approved they should have a good shot at getting this done. The FCC has already set precedent to do this. TDD is more easily argued that it is a PTP system on any given frequency at any given time. 24 GHz is a signal that is easily contained and manageable from a noise perspective. There are no consumer level devices operating in this band. This band is available today, no waiting for public policy and political whims to make spectrum available. This would be innovation. It could be done so fast that pundits or competitors could not use their political influence to thwart the effort. This could happen before they knew what hit them. Trees and buildings will be an issue as is distance with the propagation, but where else can you try to make something like this work today with already developed product and 250 MHz of spectrum? It's certainly an idea worth considering and could compete for high bandwidth customers in metro markets against cable and fiber. You decide, is the glass half empty or half full? http://www.jrc.co.jp/eng/product/26g_fwa/index.html Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 1:38 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Thinking out of the box ... Gigabit PTMP? Having that many GHz of spectrum would be nice. However, I would expect it to be limited to industrial parks or anywhere where foliage is not present. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_Multipoint_Distribution_Service I would imagine that the cost to develop a new line of technology (or the original 802.16, which was meant for 10 GHz and up) would be quite expensive. Given the small range for that high priced gear, it's probably more cost effective to just bury fiber. Nextlink (XO) is the major LMDS holder in the US. I'm not sure who else has spectrum. I'd look at these sites as well... http://www.lmdswireless.com/index.php https://www.lmdsxchange.com/ - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 10:34 AM To: Motorola Canopy User Group motor...@wispa.org Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Thinking out of the box ... Gigabit PTMP? Today i have been pondering the idea to provide a wireless alternative to FTTH... At least a short range (up to 1 mile) 100 - 500 mbps wireless PTMP system to the home to provide triple play services. With todays current products, I ll say it cant be done... but is there an alterenative? Couple of ideas came in to my mind ... Rebirth of LMDS? AFAIK LMDS has not had great success on the states, spectrum was bidded, some gear was tested... no big networks were built ...but all this was almost 10 years ago, with today technology could a cost effective platform be developed to provide GIgabit
Re: [WISPA] Tower Builds
Hello, I am game within about 200 miles of St Louis. Thanks -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Prachar Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 5:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Tower Builds We are looking at putting up towers in a couple of areas where we don't have our own engineering personnel. Are any of your guys interested in turn-key construction deals? For starters, we are looking at putting up a 100 ft. tower in Omaha - anyone interested? http://www.rapidlink.com/ Michael Prachar - COO Voice: (1) 402-392-7502 PST (GMT -8 Hrs.) Fax: (1) 402-392-7585 (Anytime) mi...@rapidlink.com mailto:mi...@rapidlink.com?subject=i%20clicked%20your%20email%20signatu re! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ
Hello, I do not know about you, but I am kind of glad the US government and the BIG guys can not get it right. With the money they have wasted we should have at least had 1 mb if not 10mb to everyone in the us, man, woman and child. This is where we come in. Because the could not we looked at the opportunity and said we could and did. Hats off to all of us that live, breath and hopefully not die for this stuff every day. Keep up the good work and it will pay off. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 10:39 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ Congress Approves Broadband to Nowhere Why the U.S. lags in Internet speed. * By L. GORDON CROVITZ In Japan, wireless technology works so well that teenagers draft novels on their cellphones. People in Hong Kong take it for granted that they can check their BlackBerrys from underground in the city's subway cars. Even in France, consumers have more choices for broadband service than in the U.S. The Internet may have been developed in the U.S., but the country now ranks 15th in the world for broadband penetration. For those who do have access to broadband, the average speed is a crawl, moving bits at a speed roughly one-tenth that of top-ranked Japan. This means a movie that can be downloaded in a couple of seconds in Japan takes half an hour in the U.S. The BMW 7 series comes equipped with Internet access in Germany, but not in the U.S. The Opinion Journal Widget Download Opinion Journal's widget and link to the most important editorials and op-eds of the day from your blog or Web page. So those of us otherwise wary of how wisely the stimulus package will be spent were happy to suspend disbelief when Congress invited ideas on how to upgrade broadband. Maybe there are shovel-ready programs to bring broadband to communities that private providers have not yet reached, and to upgrade the speed of accessing the Web. These goals sound like the digital-era version of Eisenhower's interstate highway projects, this time bringing Americans as consumers and businesspeople closer together on a faster information highway. But broadband, once thought to be in line for $100 billion as part of the stimulus legislation, ended up a low priority, set to get well under $10 billion in the package of over $800 billion. This is a reminder that even with a new president whose platform focused on technology, and even with the fully open spigot of a stimulus bill, technology gets built by private capital and initiative and not by government. The relatively small appropriation is not for want of trying. A partial list of the lobbying groups involved in the process is a reminder of how Washington's return to industrial policy requires lobbying by all: the Information Technology Industry Council, Telecommunications Industry Association, National Cable Telecommunications Association, Fiber-to-the-Home Council, National Association of Telecommunications Officers and Advisors, National Telecommunications Cooperative Association, Independent Telephone and Telecommunications Alliance and Organization for the Promotion and Advancement of Small Telecommunications Companies. The result was a relatively paltry $6 billion for broadband in the House bill and $9 billion in the Senate, with each bill micromanaging the spending differently. The bills include different standards, speeds and other requirements for providers that would use the public funds. This may balance competing interests among cable, telecom and local phone companies, but it doesn't address the underlying problems of too few providers delivering too few options to consumers. Techies may be surprised by how these funds would be dispersed. The House would give the Department of Agriculture's Rural Utilities Service control over half the grants and the Commerce Department's National Telecommunications and Information Administration control of the other half. Tax credits would have been a faster way to make a difference than government agencies dividing spoils across the country. The House bill also calls for open access. This phrase can include hugely controversial topics such as net neutrality, which in its most radical version would bar providers from charging different amounts for different kinds of broadband content. Now that video, conferencing and other heavy-bandwidth applications are growing in popularity, price needs to be one tool for allocating scarce resources. Analysts at Medley Global Advisors warn that if these provisions remain in the bill, it will keep most broadband providers out of the applicant pool for the funds intended specifically for them. In Today's Opinion Journal More fundamentally, nothing in the legislation would address the key reason that the U.S. lags so far behind other countries. This is that there is an
Re: [WISPA] Redundant / Alternate Backhauls
Hello, We use OSPF on our core too. Once you have a redundant link up and you use if for the first time you will wonder why you did not install it sooner. I am sure people have a list of stories as to when it has saved them. We like having them so we can do daytime maintenance to links and towers without any down time. Just picture in your mind the last time you had a major link go down. Phones ringing off the hook, you can not get to your monitoring server to see what is going on because it is on the other side of the outages. You are getting text messages and emails to your phone so much you almost can not use it. Oh and every installer or tower person you have is at least an hour from either side of the link. To boot it is raining cats and dogs and it is as 460 foot tower climb to get try to get to the gear. Ok, got that image, yep all hell has broken loose and you are the only one left to deal with it... Now wipe all that out of your mind and just think that you just got a nagios warning that a small repeater site went down that only had residential 1 client off it. You look at it and say well, when it stops raining or on the way home my tower guy can stop by if it has not come back up and you get back to work. The phone never rings and you got all the other work done you where supposed to that day!! And you stayed dry. Needless to say been there done that and would take the latter any day. Put up the redundant links!!! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of can...@believewireless.net Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 6:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Redundant / Alternate Backhauls Yes, our links failover automatically with OSPF. We still get alerts when links go down though so we know about flapping due to interference or an outage. On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 7:38 PM, Patrick Shoemaker shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com wrote: Nagios. Or for non-realtime, syslog. -- Patrick Shoemaker Vector Data Systems LLC shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com office: (301) 358-1690 x36 http://www.vectordatasystems.com Travis Johnson wrote: The only issue with the ring is being able to tell when a link has switched over or even worse is when a link is marginal so the link flaps back and forth, often causing all kinds of problems with traffic flows and OSPF updates. We have our backup links set that we have to switch to them manually, so then we know there is a problem, and we can control the traffic flow. Travis Microserv can...@believewireless.net wrote: We setup a redundant circle around our network with OSPF. Highly recommend it. On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 6:47 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: We did this with all of our critical links last summer. It was the best thing we ever did... it has saved us several times this winter already. :) Travis Microserv Mark Nash wrote: We've been putting in redundant or alternate backhauls to our distros that have more than 20 users. I'm curious to see how others feel about this, and when you decide to install a redundant or alternate backhaul to a tower distro? Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless
Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Need recommendation for tripod or similar to weld atop water tank
Hello, Earth Magnets and a tripod. We have had a tower like that for over 4 years now. Never a problem. Thanks From: motorola-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:motorola-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of John McDowell Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 1:29 PM To: WISPA General List; Principal WISPA Member List; Motorola Canopy User Group Subject: [Motorola II] Need recommendation for tripod or similar to weld atop water tank Any suggestions? I'm mounting a cyclone 2.4ghz omni...needs to be on very top of tank. Thanks, -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 j...@boonlink.com www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail j...@boonlink.com, and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the source, please contact the sender directly. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Need recommendation for tripod or similar to weld atop water tank
Hello, Sorry, I cannot. We took it over from another company. I know the tripod mount was specific to the magnets. They were stuck to the tower and then a metal plate with about 1/4 inches edges sat on top and then that plate had a vertical piece for the tripod leg to bolt to. I did not feel right tying off to it, but I do know I could not move it when I tried to. Thanks -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Wallace Walcher Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 2:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Need recommendation for tripod or similar to weld atop water tank Can you provide a link for the magnets and tripod you used? On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 2:00 PM, Nathan Stooke nstooke...@wisperisp.comwrote: Hello, Earth Magnets and a tripod. We have had a tower like that for over 4 years now. Never a problem. Thanks From: motorola-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:motorola-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of John McDowell Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 1:29 PM To: WISPA General List; Principal WISPA Member List; Motorola Canopy User Group Subject: [Motorola II] Need recommendation for tripod or similar to weld atop water tank Any suggestions? I'm mounting a cyclone 2.4ghz omni...needs to be on very top of tank. Thanks, -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 j...@boonlink.com www.boonlink.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP?
Hello, Right now they are manually configured tunnels. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 12:36 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP? On Sat, 2009-01-24 at 20:12 -0600, Nathan Stooke wrote: We rolled out MPLS more to get VPLS. This is one of the benefits I mentioned. There are other ways to gain this benefit, however. I'm not gonna go through all the possibilities with what can be done with MPLS and show the comparable option another way. The point I was making before was more that MPLS is a new (relatively speaking) technology and there are ways to accomplish the same benefits in ways that don't require MPLS. I agree that VPLS is a cool feature that can, for some networks, be a necessary feature. For most, however, MPLS is NOT worth the time and effort necessary to understand for the benefits gained. The person who started this thread sounded like he was searching for a technology without defining a need and I was just pointing out that design goals should come first. While we have plans to really utilize the MPLS we really need the VPLS for our clients that needed transport across our network. On another note ATT is pushing MPLS connections to multiple sites instead of their T1 services in our area. Even though they are really using the T1s for the service and they are really offering VPLS services. Yes. I have said for over 2 years that MPLS is more a marketing ploy than a necessary technology. I remember standing in front of Brad Belton's office discussing this exact subject. MPLS is likely to be a necessary item for some JUST to be able to sell the same product. Cisco does this all the time. They help corporations and government entities write up RFQs with requirements that include Cisco specific capabilities. Really pisses me off sometimes. :-) We have not really any issues with the MPLS or VPLS. Of course I have the best or one of the best network admin's around so he had everything tested and when we implemented it is was very smooth. I'm glad you have MPLS running and working on your network. Are you using manually configured tunnels or are you implementing this using a route reflector? -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://www.wispa.org/ * WISPA Board Member * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP?
Hello, Mikrotik all the way. I take great pride in the fact that we have no Cisco Routers on our network. Sure there are issues with firmware releases now and then with MT, but now that they are on 3.X is has become much much more stable. Thanks -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 7:08 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP? Nathan, What type of router are you guys using? Cisco or Mikrotik? We also are implementing MPLS for the VPLS Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Nathan Stooke Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 11:41 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP? Hello, I just talked to my CTO, he loves MPLS and would never go back. It solves a ton of issues with routed networks. Here are some good sites with info, so you can make your own judgment. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiprotocol_Label_Switching http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/MPLSVPLS http://www.cisco.com/en/US/tech/tk436/tk428/technologies_configuration_e xamp le09186a0080093f23.shtml Thanks -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Nathan Stooke Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 8:43 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP? Hello, We have 3 on another part of our network, but I know you can do more. It works really well for our setup. We are using RSTP so we do not even loose a ping when it changes over. However, we do not care much for it. It does work in the right instances, but you have a limit as to the number of STP domains you can have on a switch. I think our switches limit is 8. Thanks -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 8:20 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP? Soo.what is the most STP switches anyone has had on a single collision domain? On 1/24/09, Nathan Stooke nstooke...@wisperisp.com wrote: Hello, We rolled out MPLS more to get VPLS. While we have plans to really utilize the MPLS we really need the VPLS for our clients that needed transport across our network. On another note ATT is pushing MPLS connections to multiple sites instead of their T1 services in our area. Even though they are really using the T1s for the service and they are really offering VPLS services. We have not really any issues with the MPLS or VPLS. Of course I have the best or one of the best network admin's around so he had everything tested and when we implemented it is was very smooth. Thanks -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 2:44 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP? On Fri, 2009-01-23 at 17:23 +0100, Paolo Di Francesco wrote: to be honest mikrotik routing is not working well, and we are far from being happy about the OSPF implementation: too many bugs and lost routes. While there are some bugs in SOME versions of Mikrotik's RouterOS releases, it is far from being too many bugs to be used. Of course, I only have about 200 or so networks that I maintain with only about 2500 routers to base this on So, I would like to move to something more robust. Mikrotik MPLS implementation looks more at experimental stage and I would not use it for any reason in any production network. Maybe I am wrong and it's really stable, so if somebody is using mikrotik-MPLS let us know it! MPLS is not likely to be a best solution regardless of the platform you use. Like WiMAX, however, MPLS is a new buzzword that people will flock to. Mikrotik's MPLS implementation is brand new and not one I'd recommend for anyone at this point. I have 3 or 4 customers with networks large enough to gain some benefit from MPLS. One is attempting to get it working with some limited success. In most cases, you won't really need MPLS to accomplish your design goals. So far, I haven't seen you say what you are having trouble with, just that you have not correctly configured your OSPF implementation (you said it like it was purely a MT problem, but I doubt that is likely based on my own experiences). -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network
Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP?
Hello, We rolled out MPLS more to get VPLS. While we have plans to really utilize the MPLS we really need the VPLS for our clients that needed transport across our network. On another note ATT is pushing MPLS connections to multiple sites instead of their T1 services in our area. Even though they are really using the T1s for the service and they are really offering VPLS services. We have not really any issues with the MPLS or VPLS. Of course I have the best or one of the best network admin's around so he had everything tested and when we implemented it is was very smooth. Thanks -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 2:44 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP? On Fri, 2009-01-23 at 17:23 +0100, Paolo Di Francesco wrote: to be honest mikrotik routing is not working well, and we are far from being happy about the OSPF implementation: too many bugs and lost routes. While there are some bugs in SOME versions of Mikrotik's RouterOS releases, it is far from being too many bugs to be used. Of course, I only have about 200 or so networks that I maintain with only about 2500 routers to base this on So, I would like to move to something more robust. Mikrotik MPLS implementation looks more at experimental stage and I would not use it for any reason in any production network. Maybe I am wrong and it's really stable, so if somebody is using mikrotik-MPLS let us know it! MPLS is not likely to be a best solution regardless of the platform you use. Like WiMAX, however, MPLS is a new buzzword that people will flock to. Mikrotik's MPLS implementation is brand new and not one I'd recommend for anyone at this point. I have 3 or 4 customers with networks large enough to gain some benefit from MPLS. One is attempting to get it working with some limited success. In most cases, you won't really need MPLS to accomplish your design goals. So far, I haven't seen you say what you are having trouble with, just that you have not correctly configured your OSPF implementation (you said it like it was purely a MT problem, but I doubt that is likely based on my own experiences). -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://www.wispa.org/ * WISPA Board Member * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP?
Hello, We have 3 on another part of our network, but I know you can do more. It works really well for our setup. We are using RSTP so we do not even loose a ping when it changes over. However, we do not care much for it. It does work in the right instances, but you have a limit as to the number of STP domains you can have on a switch. I think our switches limit is 8. Thanks -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 8:20 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP? Soo.what is the most STP switches anyone has had on a single collision domain? On 1/24/09, Nathan Stooke nstooke...@wisperisp.com wrote: Hello, We rolled out MPLS more to get VPLS. While we have plans to really utilize the MPLS we really need the VPLS for our clients that needed transport across our network. On another note ATT is pushing MPLS connections to multiple sites instead of their T1 services in our area. Even though they are really using the T1s for the service and they are really offering VPLS services. We have not really any issues with the MPLS or VPLS. Of course I have the best or one of the best network admin's around so he had everything tested and when we implemented it is was very smooth. Thanks -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 2:44 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP? On Fri, 2009-01-23 at 17:23 +0100, Paolo Di Francesco wrote: to be honest mikrotik routing is not working well, and we are far from being happy about the OSPF implementation: too many bugs and lost routes. While there are some bugs in SOME versions of Mikrotik's RouterOS releases, it is far from being too many bugs to be used. Of course, I only have about 200 or so networks that I maintain with only about 2500 routers to base this on So, I would like to move to something more robust. Mikrotik MPLS implementation looks more at experimental stage and I would not use it for any reason in any production network. Maybe I am wrong and it's really stable, so if somebody is using mikrotik-MPLS let us know it! MPLS is not likely to be a best solution regardless of the platform you use. Like WiMAX, however, MPLS is a new buzzword that people will flock to. Mikrotik's MPLS implementation is brand new and not one I'd recommend for anyone at this point. I have 3 or 4 customers with networks large enough to gain some benefit from MPLS. One is attempting to get it working with some limited success. In most cases, you won't really need MPLS to accomplish your design goals. So far, I haven't seen you say what you are having trouble with, just that you have not correctly configured your OSPF implementation (you said it like it was purely a MT problem, but I doubt that is likely based on my own experiences). -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://www.wispa.org/ * WISPA Board Member * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA
Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP?
Hello, I just talked to my CTO, he loves MPLS and would never go back. It solves a ton of issues with routed networks. Here are some good sites with info, so you can make your own judgment. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiprotocol_Label_Switching http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/MPLSVPLS http://www.cisco.com/en/US/tech/tk436/tk428/technologies_configuration_examp le09186a0080093f23.shtml Thanks -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Nathan Stooke Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 8:43 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP? Hello, We have 3 on another part of our network, but I know you can do more. It works really well for our setup. We are using RSTP so we do not even loose a ping when it changes over. However, we do not care much for it. It does work in the right instances, but you have a limit as to the number of STP domains you can have on a switch. I think our switches limit is 8. Thanks -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 8:20 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP? Soo.what is the most STP switches anyone has had on a single collision domain? On 1/24/09, Nathan Stooke nstooke...@wisperisp.com wrote: Hello, We rolled out MPLS more to get VPLS. While we have plans to really utilize the MPLS we really need the VPLS for our clients that needed transport across our network. On another note ATT is pushing MPLS connections to multiple sites instead of their T1 services in our area. Even though they are really using the T1s for the service and they are really offering VPLS services. We have not really any issues with the MPLS or VPLS. Of course I have the best or one of the best network admin's around so he had everything tested and when we implemented it is was very smooth. Thanks -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 2:44 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP? On Fri, 2009-01-23 at 17:23 +0100, Paolo Di Francesco wrote: to be honest mikrotik routing is not working well, and we are far from being happy about the OSPF implementation: too many bugs and lost routes. While there are some bugs in SOME versions of Mikrotik's RouterOS releases, it is far from being too many bugs to be used. Of course, I only have about 200 or so networks that I maintain with only about 2500 routers to base this on So, I would like to move to something more robust. Mikrotik MPLS implementation looks more at experimental stage and I would not use it for any reason in any production network. Maybe I am wrong and it's really stable, so if somebody is using mikrotik-MPLS let us know it! MPLS is not likely to be a best solution regardless of the platform you use. Like WiMAX, however, MPLS is a new buzzword that people will flock to. Mikrotik's MPLS implementation is brand new and not one I'd recommend for anyone at this point. I have 3 or 4 customers with networks large enough to gain some benefit from MPLS. One is attempting to get it working with some limited success. In most cases, you won't really need MPLS to accomplish your design goals. So far, I haven't seen you say what you are having trouble with, just that you have not correctly configured your OSPF implementation (you said it like it was purely a MT problem, but I doubt that is likely based on my own experiences). -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://www.wispa.org/ * WISPA Board Member * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http
Re: [WISPA] Employee Tracking Program
Hello, We have also used http://www.endian.com/en/. At the time, about 8 months ago, untangle was kind of picky as to what hardware it would work with. I do not know if that is still the case. We chose to use endian and love it. We are rolling out a network wide one for our hotspots. Thanks -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Eric Rogers Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 8:42 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Employee Tracking Program I just wanted to follow up for those that are interested. I included the original email below, but I will summarize. I was asked to find a way to log where employees are going on the internet. I took the many suggestions of NTop, PRTG, using NetFlow data and a reporting server, etc. They worked, but not exactly the simple reporting the employer wanted. What I stumbled across is a program called Untangle. It is a unix load and very nicely done http://www.untangle.com. Very secure. It is a transparent bridge that also does firewalling and is a content firewall. I loaded it onto a 1U old Dell server they retired. We turned all of the blocking rules to log, so it was totally transparent to the users. It logs where each workstation went on the internet for about 2 months. Now that they have collected the information, they have confronted the employees and at least made it public they were being watched. Then turned it onto blocking the sites they were wasting time. It also now blocks the spyware that was running rampant on their network. Best of all, Untangle is free, and open source. There are other Pay For devices like Barracuda Web (310) is similar, but is routinely maintained. They are also great products. Once this server outlives its life, they will probably move up to the Barracuda for better reporting and constant updates. Anyone that does want more information, I can send screenshots and/or answer questions should they arise later. Thanks, Eric Rogers Precision Data Solutions, LLC (317) 831-3000 x200 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Eric Rogers Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 12:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Employee Tracking Program I have a company that would like to track real-time and summary information of internet activity of it's employees (by IP). They are looking for summary information, not email content/instant messenger chats/passwords. What would be ideal would be a passive device that acts like a sniffer that either hits layer 7 and reads the www.xx.com from the data portion of the packets, or just looks at the DNS traffic, tracks IPs and reports it. Maybe even amount of bandwidth spent at each IP... or something of that nature. Any ideas? I have recommended software that is a keylogger and recorder, but they want something that is totally transparent, i.e. sniffer. Thanks, Eric Rogers Precision Data Solutions, LLC (317) 831-3000 x200 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP?
Hello, MPLS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 9:58 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP? we are routed, but routed has other problems. So I was just wondering about switched... Thank you. If you have that many a routed network would be much simpler. Any ideas on the limit of stp devices, though? On 1/23/09, Paolo Di Francesco difrance...@teleinform.com wrote: Dear All I am wondering how many switches can be put together in a bridged environment (via radio-bridges) with the Rapid STP. Just curious because I did not find anywhere the maximum number and wondering if the backbone collapse after 10 or 100 or 1000 switches. Also wondering what do you advice, I know that not all the switches are the same... (thinking about HP for this application) Thank you in advance. -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Teleinform S.p.A. Sede Legale: Via Francesco Paolo Di Blasi 1, 90144 Palermo Unita' Operativa: Via Regione Siciliana 49, 90046 Monreale Tel: +39-091-6408576, +39-091-6404501 Fax: +39-091-6406200 http://www.wikitel.it http://www.teleinform.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Teleinform S.p.A. Sede Legale: Via Francesco Paolo Di Blasi 1, 90144 Palermo Unita' Operativa: Via Regione Siciliana 49, 90046 Monreale Tel: +39-091-6408576, +39-091-6404501 Fax: +39-091-6406200 http://www.wikitel.it http://www.teleinform.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP?
Hello, Yes our core is running MPLS. We us Mikrotik routers so it does not coast use a huge amount. They also have anew virtual router that allows you to take 1 box and put 2 or more routers on it. We have a MPLS core router and a Edge router at each main tower on our ring. This did save use a about 50% because we did not have to buy the second router. Thanks -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 10:12 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP? Hi Nathan, it could be a solution, but: 1) the only product I found interesting it CISCO ME switch with MPLS. Any other suggestion welcome. 2) cost per site goes really high for the backbone. If we would like to implement MPLS in each site, it would cost us a fortune. 3) Still wondering about maturity or many MPLS implementations, not sure the brands that really work and the ones which does not. Suggestions welcome ;) P.S. are you using MPLS? Hello, MPLS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 9:58 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP? we are routed, but routed has other problems. So I was just wondering about switched... Thank you. If you have that many a routed network would be much simpler. Any ideas on the limit of stp devices, though? On 1/23/09, Paolo Di Francesco difrance...@teleinform.com wrote: Dear All I am wondering how many switches can be put together in a bridged environment (via radio-bridges) with the Rapid STP. Just curious because I did not find anywhere the maximum number and wondering if the backbone collapse after 10 or 100 or 1000 switches. Also wondering what do you advice, I know that not all the switches are the same... (thinking about HP for this application) Thank you in advance. -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Teleinform S.p.A. Sede Legale: Via Francesco Paolo Di Blasi 1, 90144 Palermo Unita' Operativa: Via Regione Siciliana 49, 90046 Monreale Tel: +39-091-6408576, +39-091-6404501 Fax: +39-091-6406200 http://www.wikitel.it http://www.teleinform.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Teleinform S.p.A. Sede Legale: Via Francesco Paolo Di Blasi 1, 90144 Palermo Unita' Operativa: Via Regione Siciliana 49, 90046 Monreale Tel: +39-091-6408576, +39-091-6404501 Fax: +39-091-6406200 http://www.wikitel.it http://www.teleinform.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP?
Hello, Right now 8. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 11:31 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP? just for curiosity: how many nodes? Hello, Yes our core is running MPLS. We us Mikrotik routers so it does not coast use a huge amount. They also have anew virtual router that allows you to take 1 box and put 2 or more routers on it. We have a MPLS core router and a Edge router at each main tower on our ring. This did save use a about 50% because we did not have to buy the second router. Thanks -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 10:12 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP? Hi Nathan, it could be a solution, but: 1) the only product I found interesting it CISCO ME switch with MPLS. Any other suggestion welcome. 2) cost per site goes really high for the backbone. If we would like to implement MPLS in each site, it would cost us a fortune. 3) Still wondering about maturity or many MPLS implementations, not sure the brands that really work and the ones which does not. Suggestions welcome ;) P.S. are you using MPLS? Hello, MPLS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 9:58 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP? we are routed, but routed has other problems. So I was just wondering about switched... Thank you. If you have that many a routed network would be much simpler. Any ideas on the limit of stp devices, though? On 1/23/09, Paolo Di Francesco difrance...@teleinform.com wrote: Dear All I am wondering how many switches can be put together in a bridged environment (via radio-bridges) with the Rapid STP. Just curious because I did not find anywhere the maximum number and wondering if the backbone collapse after 10 or 100 or 1000 switches. Also wondering what do you advice, I know that not all the switches are the same... (thinking about HP for this application) Thank you in advance. -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Teleinform S.p.A. Sede Legale: Via Francesco Paolo Di Blasi 1, 90144 Palermo Unita' Operativa: Via Regione Siciliana 49, 90046 Monreale Tel: +39-091-6408576, +39-091-6404501 Fax: +39-091-6406200 http://www.wikitel.it http://www.teleinform.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Teleinform S.p.A. Sede Legale: Via Francesco Paolo Di Blasi 1, 90144 Palermo Unita' Operativa: Via Regione Siciliana 49, 90046 Monreale Tel: +39-091-6408576, +39-091-6404501 Fax: +39-091-6406200 http://www.wikitel.it http://www.teleinform.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC!
Hello, We do the same thing. Some with 1 battery and other with 4. No more generators!! We had our fun with them a few years back. Had 7 of them running our towers. Got great praise from our customers for keep them network running for 4 days in ice, but killed us filling up gas cans all the time. No site was down for more then 24, but we had sites going down all over the place for 4 days. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of jp Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 10:36 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! I like the tripplite APS 700hf/750/1250 gear. We've got sites with 2 big batteries that should be good for 24 hours with these. I put one at my house after going through 2 APC UPSs in 8 years. We put them everywhere we need long run time, and add batteries for places where it's impractical to take a generator. I don't mind freely recommending them. My competition has already seen how well they work at a mountaintop site where we are both located and has since followed that route in the interest of long runtime. On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 07:07:19AM -0800, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Yeah. But they don't last forever. I've also found that they drain faster than they charge too. Right now I have rolling power outages in at least 4 towns spread out by a good 80 miles via road. The power is on, then off then on then off. It's not like I can just got to town A and fire up a generator. Plus, these towns combine for a total of 11 sites! I don't have that many generators. Wanna know the funny part? In Wilbur, ATT's cell tower has been down more than I have! grin People still had phone service most of the time. One of the cell phone companies stayed up. If there was NO communications infrastructure in place I'd have worked harder to keep things running. Without help and a lot more generators/gas cans it just wasn't possible though. The weather is supposed to break today or tomorrow. I don't know how long it'll take to clean up all of the broken limbs etc. though. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 9:22 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! Don't you have battery back ups? Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Looks pretty normal around here. But some of our towers are offline again due to all of the power outages. marlon - Original Message - From: Eric Tykwinski eric-l...@truenet.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 9:52 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! Everyone on NANOG has been saying the same. We're actually seeing close to triple on downloading today, starting about 9AM EST. Thankfully no issues on capacity at all on our end... I'm actually surprised the sites serving the videos aren't having any issues yet. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 12:46 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! Not really, but is everyone else seeing lots of extra traffic from people streaming inauguration-related events in DC? My network is pulling basically double the traffic of a normal Tuesday. (There's a lesson about capacity planning in here somewhere...) David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today!
Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Ligowave 3.65 Experience?
Hello, Yes, so far they are working great!! We have 2 links installed and another 10 planed. We like using integrated units so we do not have to mess with LMR and taping connectors. However we are not getting the distances we need with the Integrated. We are going to use integrated on 1 side and connectorized on the other for links from 7 to 13 miles. This is because a few of the towers we are on we do not want to put a 2 foot dish on. Beyond the 13 miles we are planning to use 2 foot dishes on both sides. The max ERIP limit is kind of funny for the band. Below is a good link that will help you understand it. We use the max channel size. http://www.ligowave.com/wiki/index.php/LigoPTP-3_FCC_EIRP_Rules Ligo is in the process of getting approval for the other part of the 50mhz in 3.65. Right now we only have 25mHz of the 3.65. This means that with a channel size of 20mHz you have only 1 channel. We have not tested putting 2 radios on one tower yet. We plan to vertically separate them and put one on vertical and one on horizontal, but again we have not tested that yet. Hope that helps, I will keep you posted on our testing. From: motorola-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:motorola-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 2:21 PM To: Motorola Canopy User Group Cc: WISPA General List Subject: [Motorola II] Ligowave 3.65 Experience? Anyone has deployed this units? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
