Re: [WISPA] SD Wan Solutions

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>> On Wed, Jul 10, 2019, 2:54 PM Mike Francis via Wireless <
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>>> We have an in house solution we designed and have bene deploying for
>>> over 2 years now. Have many clients and over 300 bank branches on it.
>>>
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>>> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org  *On
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Has anyone roll out a SD Wan solution, either hosted or 3rd party, that
>>> you'd share you experience here?  We have a large customer asking us for a
>>> solution. I've read quite a bit about it but not implemented anything yet.
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] SD Wan Solutions

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What the hell guys, I've unsubscribed from this list over a dozen times.
GET ME OFF THIS LIST!!!

On Wed, Jul 10, 2019, 2:54 PM Mike Francis via Wireless 
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> We have an in house solution we designed and have bene deploying for over
> 2 years now. Have many clients and over 300 bank branches on it.
>
>
>
> John Michael Francis
>
> CEO & Entrepreneur
>
> JMF  | Wavefly  | DLI
> 
>
> INC 5000
>
> CRN Fast Growth
>
> 251-517-5069
>
>
>
> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org  *On
> Behalf Of *David Funderburk via Wireless
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 10, 2019 2:44 PM
> *To:* wireless@wispa.org
> *Subject:* [WISPA] SD Wan Solutions
>
>
>
> Has anyone roll out a SD Wan solution, either hosted or 3rd party, that
> you'd share you experience here?  We have a large customer asking us for a
> solution. I've read quite a bit about it but not implemented anything yet.
>
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>
> Regards,
>
> David Funderburk
> GlobalVision
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Re: [WISPA] SIP Cordless phones

[Nick Bright]

The Grandstream DP715 also works reasonably well, but the audio quality 
out of the handset leaves a bit to be desired. It sounds empty. Might be 
better with a headset plugged in to it.

They're very affordable as well.

On 6/30/2018 3:20 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
> Cordless Dect phones (SIP/IP Phones)
> Have come long ways.
>
> Aastra
> Panasonic
> Yealink
>
> They all work fine, as advertised.
>
> :)
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> Regards.
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> - Original Message -
>> From: "Jeremy Austin" 
>> To: "df...@globalvision.net" 
>> Cc: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Friday, June 29, 2018 7:51:54 PM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] SIP Cordless phones
>> On Fri, Jun 29, 2018 at 3:47 PM David Funderburk  
>> wrote:
>>> We have  a small accounting firm that wants a mixture of desk phones and
>>> cordless phones. The older people are used to desk phones and want to keep 
>>> it
>>> that way.  The younger employees prefer cordless so they can move around the
>>> office while talking to clients. Both want to have features such as call
>>> transfer, park, etc on their phones.
>> Got it.
>>
>> If you're using a SIP cordless, features will be activated via DTMF
>> (and out-of-band signaling). If you're using a PBX that calls cell #s,
>> or softphones... features will be activated via DTMF.
>>
>> If you want to go super fancy, there are DECT cell systems that allow
>> full roaming within the coverage area. I have run Aastra, haven't
>> tried Panasonic's system. We ran into weird issues like not being able
>> to dial zero, and phones that were many years behind state of the art.
>>
>>  From the perspective of the younger employees, a SIP phone is just a
>> cell phone that's broken because it can't run apps.
>>
>> And if you want Bluetooth + mobile, be prepared to pay $300+ per handset.
>>
>>>
>>> David
>>>
>>> On 2018/06/29 17:09, Jeremy Austin wrote:
>>>
>>> By cellular I also include VoWifi.
>>>
>>> I'm having a hard time seeing the general use case for SIP rather than
>>> VoWifi. At present, largely what we get is presence notification — SIP
>>> busy status.
>>> On Fri, Jun 29, 2018 at 12:45 PM Grand Avenue Broadband
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jun 29, 2018, at 1:34 PM, Jeremy Austin  wrote:
>>>
>>> What's the use case that you'd prefer SIP over cellular, FWIW?
>>>
>>>
>>> Coverage holes where you've done some work to feed signal in but the cell 
>>> boys
>>> haven't...
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Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution

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Keep in mind that it needs to work with how you've built your network 
too (if you're using PPPoE or DHCP, all static, routed, bridged, etc.); 
or you need to be willing to reformat your network to match your 
software choice.

On 1/17/2018 3:20 PM, Dennis Burgess wrote:
> Simply put..
>
> Write down your MUST HAVEs
> Write down your would be nices
> Write down what in your magical world if cost was not an option what you 
> would like to have.
>
> Then call, all of the WISPA members that offer billing systems, Azotel, 
> Sonar, VISP, PowerCode, etc, and talk to them understand what you MUST have 
> and then what you would like.  Then make your determination.  There is not 
> nor has there ever been a perfect billing system.  But if you follow this 
> approach, you will find one that fits within your cost model, within your 
> budget, and has everything you must have and most of what would be nice.
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> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
> Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2018 9:22 AM
> To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization <wireless@wispa.org>
> Subject: [WISPA] Billing Solution
>
> What do we got out there for billing solutions?  My current one is not 
> working out.  I've been using Freeside for a number of years now and I liked 
> it but they don't have any support staff left and seem to be falling apart.  
> I've been constantly requesting an SSL renewal for 45 days and they just 
> can't get it done.  It's beyond frustrating, time consuming and embarrassing 
> try to explain to hundreds of customers why my payment site is not secure.  I 
> can't take it anymore.  I need some recommendations on whats out there.  I 
> want good support.  I need a solution with support.  What's everybody using?  
> What do you like and dislike about it?
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Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution

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IEA Emerald, v6 added many many many WISP specific features.

On 1/16/2018 9:22 AM, Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
> What do we got out there for billing solutions?  My current one is not
> working out.  I've been using Freeside for a number of years now and I
> liked it but they don't have any support staff left and seem to be
> falling apart.  I've been constantly requesting an SSL renewal for 45
> days and they just can't get it done.  It's beyond frustrating, time
> consuming and embarrassing try to explain to hundreds of customers why
> my payment site is not secure.  I can't take it anymore.  I need some
> recommendations on whats out there.  I want good support.  I need a
> solution with support.  What's everybody using?  What do you like and
> dislike about it?
>
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Re: [WISPA] Long range adjustments XM/XW client XC AP

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On 10/13/2017 6:17 PM, Rick Boucher wrote:
> We are in PTMP.  Where would I adjust the No-Ack in there with 8.4.1?
>
> Rick
I don't know that it's the same thing/settings, I'm just speculating 
that it seems like an ACK timeout.

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Re: [WISPA] Long range adjustments XM/XW client XC AP

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On 10/13/2017 3:46 PM, Rick Boucher wrote:
> We have 6 or so customers out past 15 miles. They have either Rocket XM with 
> 3RD-5G-30 dishes or NanoBeam M5 400 (XW)
>
> We’ve upgraded a couple of APs to Rocket 5AC Prisms.
>
> 20mhz channels.
> New firmware on all of them.  xm6.1.1, xw6.1.1, xc8.4.1
> Broadcast channel does not seem to matter.
>
> The clients out past 14.5 miles drop all the time - up and down.  When they 
> are up their connection is reasonable 69/71 but throughput is very negligible.
> Seems like they link up at about 25mbps and then the connection deteriorates 
> to kbps and them they drop out.
>
> On the previous XM Rocket M5 AP the connection stayed up and was serviceable.
>
> Any adjustments recommended for the connection?
That sounds like what happened to a 26 mile PTP link I had if "PTP 
No-Ack" mode wasn't enabled. Like there's a hardware distance limit (ack 
timeout) that's been exceeded.

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Re: [WISPA] PSA: BGP broke 650k routes

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This may be interesting

https://www.cidr-report.org/as2.0/#General_Status

https://www.cidr-report.org/cgi-bin/plota?file=%2Fvar%2Fdata%2Fbgp%2Fas2.0%2Fbgp-active.txt=Active+BGP+entries+%28FIB%29=Active+BGP+entries+%28FIB%29=Week===Auto===1=1=Step=auto=linear

It does look like on Friday/Saturday there was a significant spike in 
routes.

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Re: [WISPA] PSA: BGP broke 650k routes

[Nick Bright]

This has happened a few times before when big Tier 1's like Verizon or 
Level 3 make an aggregation or filter mistake. Usually they correct it 
within a few hours.


On 9/8/2017 6:26 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
I'm not sure where the 650k max-prefix-limit came from - consultant or 
I thought it was plentiful - but both of my peers just hit 650.6k and 
651.2k routes which caused all kinds of fun this morning.


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[WISPA] Major X-Class Solar Flare

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http://www.spaceweather.com/*
*

*GEOMAGNETIC STORM WATCH (G3-CLASS): *A CME hurled toward Earth by 
sunspot AR2673 on Sept.4th is due to arrive later today. NOAA 
forecasters say the CME's impact could spark moderately-strong G2-class 
<http://www.spaceweather.com/glossary/g2.jpg?PHPSESSID=0fsdsi03l27h1p5r0vl5adr4a4> 
geomagnetic storms with isolated periods of strong G3-class 
<http://www.spaceweather.com/glossary/g3.jpg?PHPSESSID=0fsdsi03l27h1p5r0vl5adr4a4> 
storming on *Sept. 6th and 7th*. High-latitude sky watchers should be 
alert for auroras in bright moonlight. *Free:* Aurora Alerts 
<http://spaceweathergallery.com/eclipse_gallery.html>


*MAJOR X-CLASS SOLAR FLARE: *On Sept. 6th at 1202 UT, sunspot AR2673 
unleashed a major X9.3-class solar flare--the strongest solar flare in 
more than a decade. X-rays and UV radiation from the blast ionized the 
top of Earth's atmosphere, causing a strong shortwave radio blackout 
over Europe, Africa and the Atlantic Ocean: blackout map 
<http://www.spaceweather.com/images2017/06sep17/blackoutmap.jpg?PHPSESSID=0fsdsi03l27h1p5r0vl5adr4a4>. 



Analysis is still underway but this event may have directed a large CME 
towards earth. A direct CME strike from an X9 class flare could cause a 
G5+ geomagnetic storm; which could cause 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geomagnetic_storm#Geomagnetic_storm_effects



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Re: [WISPA] Need 10Mb service Washington, DC

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Err, yes. I only saw five so I sent a quote already... then noticed a 
bunch more popped in!


On 7/18/2017 8:47 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:

Can you summarize these needs into one email please?

On Jul 18, 2017, at 9:35 PM, Scott Carullo <sc...@flhsi.com 
<mailto:sc...@flhsi.com>> wrote:



Hot me off list if you can service thanks

106 Air Cargo Road
Washington, DC 20001

*Scott Carullo*
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Re: [WISPA] Query to the group

[Nick Bright]

It's a widely used strategy in hotspot markets and large retail chains 
to track movement within facilities. Since the data is all anonymized, 
there's not any serious privacy issues; but the potential for abuse is 
there.


We do utilize a similar system in one of our wifi projects, to provide 
the city with analytic data on their down town area; it provides them 
with information that helps with chamber of commerce initiatives, public 
safety planning, and festival analytic data. When used responsibly, this 
anonymized data does not pose any privacy risk.


However, I do have say that the domain that original email was sent from 
does seem dubious - it goes to a link farm landing page. It makes me 
wonder "Who is really asking, and what is their real motivation?"


On 5/11/2017 2:11 PM, garrettshan...@vabb.com wrote:


Jokes aside:

  That sounds too "gray area" for my liking personally. While it's all 
"technically" legal but still pushes some ethical issues with 
potential collection of MAC addresses from unwitting parties.


 Not that Lowe's and Target have any trouble with similar techniques.


-Original Message-
From: "Jan-OOLLC" <j.vank...@oregononline.net>
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2017 2:48pm
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Query to the group

Maybe he owns a donut store?

Jan V

On 05/11/2017 05:53 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

"FBI Surveilance [sic] Van 7"?

;-)



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*From: *"Chris Stradtman" <cstradt...@greenpointcommunications.com>
*To: *"WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
*Sent: *Thursday, May 11, 2017 1:04:41 AM
*Subject: *[WISPA] Query to the group

Hi Everyone,
I'm looking to this group to feel out the feasibility of an idea.
I'm working with a project that is looking at doing a sort of
"analytics".  One of the possible things this would involve would
be paying WISPs to collect data on a particular SSID (this SSID
would be controlled by the project I'm working with, so this isn't
going into
any gray privacy grounds).  The group would want to get the
content of the beacons seen with this particular SSID(s).  It
could either be done through
vendor equipment that would support it, or it could be done via a
passive probe colocated with the WISP's gear.
I thought I would float this idea out to the group to see how it
is received.
Thanks in advance,
Chris Stradtman

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Re: [WISPA] Harness

[Nick Bright]

+10 for seats.

On 4/20/2017 9:35 PM, Clay Stewart wrote:
We have Elk River Platinum series with padded aluminum seat, makes for 
an extra pound or so, but worth it in the air, like sitting in a swing 
at every tie work point. Even on the climb breaks, your arms and feet 
all get to rest while sitting on your butt.


Add an adjustable DBI snap hook positioning rope lanyard  positioning 
rope and the Elk Rover Flex Zorber, and a good cable grab.


If your climber is very experience, he should have a good say in what 
he needs. It is most important that each climber is comfortable with 
the equipment as being totally at ease and comfortable with your 
equipment is one of the most safety requirements. Nothing worse then 
be going under a tower arm and not liking a snap or lanyard or 
something taking your attention away from the move.



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My tower climber is asking for a new climbing harness. All we've
ever had is what came with the company when we bought it in 2010.
What brands do you recommend?

Thanks,

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Re: [WISPA] Harness

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On 4/20/2017 12:49 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> If you don't get a DBI exofit you bought the wrong one.
>
> Josh Luthman
While I wouldn't quite go that far, I will say my DBI Exofit Nex is 
extremely comfortable, and even 10 or 12 hours on the tower are not a 
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Re: [WISPA] Harness

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On 4/20/2017 11:18 AM, mike.l...@gmail.com wrote:

Eagle River or Dbi Sala

Check out www.gmesupply.com <http://www.gmesupply.com>

Let him pick one out...


Call GME and tell them you're a WISP, they have a special WISP discount.

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Re: [WISPA] CBRS

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Nothing like moving the goal post in the middle of the game. As if there 
isn't already enough regulatory uncertainty. Thanks FCC @_@


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Re: [WISPA] What would you use a drone for?

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On 4/11/2017 3:42 PM, Walter W. Stumpf Jr. wrote:
> I believe there is a height rule, under 400' does not require a license.
>
> Walter
That is no longer the case, see Dan's previous comments.

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Re: [WISPA] Cambium 450, 450m, and epmp in 5.X GHz Comparison

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I can't comment on PMP450/m because our density doesn't justify the 
cost; but I can say that I've been extremely happy with ePMP.


They did have a firmware problem with 3.2, but it's fixed in 3.3 (at 
least in the RC I tested for them). They've always been very responsive 
to firmware feedback and feature requests.


Performance is great, reliability is great, price is good - reasonable 
for the quality and performance, and I have always been very happy with 
the support level provided by cambium. I've frequently emailed with 
their engineering staff, software developers, and even a few times the 
CEO. They've even helped me resolve a network problem that was clearly 
not related to their products (it seemed like it was at first).


Tier 1 support is tier 1. They're good at asking you to reboot, and 
checking your settings, but if you have a real problem you'll need to 
escalate. The nice thing is, you can. Just ask them.


There are three big points about Cambium that made us choose to switch 
to their platform:


 * Quality hardware at reasonable prices
 * Excellent customer care & support
 * Management software that works

As for real performance numbers: If you have a noise floor in the -95 to 
-98 range, you'll see full throughput (20Mhz channel) of 85Mbps/15Mbps 
on a 75/25 TDD split (yes I know 85/15 isn't 75%/25%, but that's what 
the through puts are) with anything better than about a -72dBm signal.


I've also been using the ePTP mode which isn't TDD (and not synced!). 
Throughput is great for the price, and with a good ~25-30dB SNR you're 
going to see nearly 200Mbps usable aggregate throughput.


On 3/21/2017 11:11 AM, Marco Coelho wrote:

Anyone want to offer a comparison of the different equipment listed.
Cost, real throughput, Reliability, Customer Satisfaction,

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Re: [WISPA] 10 gig Switch

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On 3/21/2017 1:55 PM, Bob Moldashel wrote:
> Anyone have any suggestions for a cheap switch I can plug 10 gig GBIC 
> into and use for testing new 5 and 10 GiGE radios with.  Looking for 
> used, ugly, bulky, etc. Most of all looking for cheap.  Strictly 
> testing. Not real world environment.
>
> Tnx
>
https://routerboard.com/CSS326-24G-2SplusRM

24x 1Gbps and 2x SFP+ switch. Not sure if that meets your needs, but 
they're around $100.

If you need "a lot" of 10G ports there are some 8-10 port models 
available for $700-1000 if I do some searches on newegg. I see a UBNT 
US-16-XG appears to have 16x 10G ports, 12 optical/4 copper, in a $600 
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Re: [WISPA] epmp 1000 in noisy environment

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On 3/6/2017 12:02 PM, Chadwick Wachs wrote:
Tha antenna that Cambium sells to go with the ePMP 2000 is a 90/120 
degree sector. The main sector is 120 degrees and you can add on a 90 
degree “smart” antenna. We have one deployed with the 120 degree 
sector and the other 2000 AP uses a 60 degree horn. SNR is much better 
on the 60 degree horn but we keep the 120 up as a fail over antenna 
for our other APs - otherwise it would get changed out to a 60 as well.
The "90/120" of the ePMP 2000 sector is "90 degrees at 3dBi rolloff, 120 
degrees at 6dBi rolloff".


The uplink antenna is specifically called a 90 degree antenna, but I 
don't know what the rolloff is on that.


The noise filtering and uplink beamforming in ePMP 2000 is impressive. 
If your environment is noisy, definately use ePMP 2000 with uplink 
beamforming.


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Re: [WISPA] NEPA/SHPA Requirement

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Could anybody share a method of how to find people to actually do these 
required compliance studies?

Looking at a tower build, and I need to get a quote from a vendor, but I 
can't find any vendors. I'm sure that I must simply be using the wrong 
search terms or something.

On 1/12/2017 9:34 AM, Sam Morris wrote:
> (Sorry... SHPO, not SHPA)
>
> National Environmental Policy Act, and State Historical Preservation
> Office. I'm not a lawyer, and I didn't sleep in a Holiday Inn Express
> last night, but the way I understand it, they are legal requirements
> pertaining to new structures that are going to hold radio equipment that
> uses licensed (or lightly-licensed?) frequencies, and makes a
> requirements to go through a certification process from these two
> offices. NEPA
> (https://www.epa.gov/nepa/national-environmental-policy-act-review-process)
> is an EPA requirement, and SHPO, (https://www.nps.gov/Nr/shpolist.htm)
> as it has pertained to us, is primarily native-Americans inspecting the
> site and certifying that you're not desecrating sacred ground.
>
> I know it's a requirements if the structure holds 11 Ghz, 220 Mhz, 6
> Ghz, etc. I don't know if it is also a requirements if it's the 3.65
> type of license, hence my question. :)
>
> Thanks
> Sam
>
> On 1/12/2017 8:40 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>> NEPA/SHPA? Educate me pls
>>
>> On Jan 12, 2017 7:05 AM, "Sam Morris" <w...@csilogan.com
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>>  Good Morning,
>>
>>  It's my understanding that if a new structure that will hold only
>>  non-licensed equipment is built, that NEPA/SHPA certification isn't
>>  required. What about 3.65 equipment? Since it's "lightly licensed",
>>  where would a new structure (where 3.65 equipment will reside) fall with
>>  regards to the NEPA/SHPA requirement?
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Re: [WISPA] Best cat5 for a monopole

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On 1/19/2017 9:43 AM, David Hannum wrote:
> We have 12 monopoles from 150' to 195'.  We are using this:
>
> http://www.primuscable.com/store/p/9117-CAT-6-Ethernet-Cable-Shielded-Aerial-w/-Messenger-Wire-Solid-23-AWG.aspx
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> We've also learned that stringing the cables to a rope, and strapping 
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> strain increase the life expectancy.
I was kind of thinking along those lines but with cable. Rope would 
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Re: [WISPA] Which CCR Router OS combo is the most solid?

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Careful, that's like saying



On 1/19/2017 7:07 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:

For L3 OSPF routed network capable of gigabit traffic

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Re: [WISPA] Is ePMP 1000 Lite AP discontinued?

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On 1/10/2017 2:52 PM, Jeff Broadwick wrote:


It’s not officially discontinued…but the minimum order quantities are 
so high that I don’t think anyone is stocking them.



Streakwave has over 400 in stock.

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Re: [WISPA] Is ePMP 1000 Lite AP discontinued?

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On 1/9/2017 4:03 PM, Chris Fabien wrote:
> Was going to use these + RF element horns for a micro-cell deployment, 
> can't seem to find them in stock. I know the 2000 AP is out now, did 
> that replace the 1000 AP?
Cambium has been pretty clear that the ePMP 2000 is not a replacement 
for the ePMP 1000 series radios. It's just a little higher end version 
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Re: [WISPA] Cambium ePMP2000 config question

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On 12/12/2016 4:39 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
Right. My point was that Nick said you don't need more than -60, but 
if your interference is at -70 to -75, you do need more than -60.  ;-)

You ideally want an SNR of >25dB. Preferably 30dB.

Seems like most (rural) environments have a noise floor in the -95 to 
-100dBm range, so a -65 to -60 is ideal. If your noise floor is higher, 
adjust accordingly.


I think the point I was trying to make is that you don't want to turn it 
down to a value *lower* than -65dBm, or your modulation rates could 
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Re: [WISPA] Cambium ePMP2000 config question

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On 12/12/2016 3:04 PM, Nick Bright wrote:
> On 12/12/2016 1:58 PM, Art Stephens wrote:
>> Just starting out using cambium ePMP gear. For configuring multiple
>> APs on a single tower the frequency reuse requires all APs on the same
>> tower to have their Subscriber Module Target Receive Levels set the same.
>>
>> What are the pros and cons between SMTRL of -60 and say -80?
> The ideal signal range is around -60dBm, any stronger isn't necessary.
>
> The SMTRL will cause the subscriber to back of TX power until it meets
> the Target Receive Level.
>
> I would not recommend a Target Receive Level any lower than -65dBm, or
> your network will probably not work very well.
I would also recommend requiring at least a -75dBm signal strength for 
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Re: [WISPA] Cambium ePMP2000 config question

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On 12/12/2016 1:58 PM, Art Stephens wrote:
> Just starting out using cambium ePMP gear. For configuring multiple 
> APs on a single tower the frequency reuse requires all APs on the same 
> tower to have their Subscriber Module Target Receive Levels set the same.
>
> What are the pros and cons between SMTRL of -60 and say -80?
The ideal signal range is around -60dBm, any stronger isn't necessary.

The SMTRL will cause the subscriber to back of TX power until it meets 
the Target Receive Level.

I would not recommend a Target Receive Level any lower than -65dBm, or 
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Re: [WISPA] RF Armor Non-Pen Tower

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On 10/4/2016 11:15 AM, Steve Barnes wrote:


What that is a lot of weight.

I didn't want it to move. The area is known to have significant 
microbursts rather frequently*


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Re: [WISPA] Cambium ePMP 1000 w/ CMM4 power supply power recommendation needed

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On 10/3/2016 5:29 PM, jmandziara wrote:
> Lorell,
>
> My last knowledge of the ePMP product was that it did not support 56V 
> via a CMM4.
According to the specifications the ePMP SYNC radio accepts 802.3af 
power, which is 56.5V "maximum"; so at some level it does support 56v input.

As to if that means 56v with a CMM4 would work, I couldn't say.

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Re: [WISPA] Anyone having issues with EPMP APs easily dying?

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No, but I have a GIGE-SS-HV on every one of mine.

On 9/19/2016 2:32 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:
See way too many failures on Epmp Aps during storms.. Other radios 
survive while Epmp APs die


Anyone else seeing this?

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[WISPA] Friday Freebies - dialup, what?

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Would anybody have any use for TC-1000, Ascend Max, Portmaster2e or 
ISPPorte stuff?

We're about to take them off to recycling, but it's Friday so I thought 
I'd check with the list. Basically if you want it, pay shipping.

Yes, the ISPPorte are analog modems! LOL

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Re: [WISPA] Need a ~60ft pole to mount a 2ft dish on

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On 9/8/2016 10:16 AM, Dan Petermann wrote:
> http://www.commscope.com/catalog/wireless/product_details.aspx?id=49277
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Any idea how much these usually cost?

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Re: [WISPA] Powercode 477 Data Grossly Inaccurate

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Quantum GIS is free, and really good at this stuff.

On 8/31/2016 2:10 PM, Duncan Scott wrote:
> Yeah, making the full code is kind of hard given there are many
> county/tract/block codes in our coverage areal.
>
> Looking into it further, if you open chrome developer tools and then run
> a query, there will be a json response starting with
> https://tigerweb.geo.census.gov/arcgis/rest/services/TIGERweb/Tracts_Blocks/MapServer/2/query?f=json
>that includes all of the details including the GeoID.
>
> Kind of convoluted, but still the easiest way I've seen to get the Geo
> ID from an arbitrary polygon.
>
> ~Duncan
>
> On 8/31/2016 11:32 AM, Jeremy Austin wrote:
>> On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 10:06 AM, Duncan Scott <dsc...@onlinenw.com
>> <mailto:dsc...@onlinenw.com>> wrote:
>>
>>  How do you export the data from TigerWeb?
>>
>>
>> Copy and paste the resulting list of block codes. (If you click on one,
>> you'll see the full Geographic Identifier, which is what the FCC wants.)
>>
>> You'll still need to prepend (I use Excel for this) the State FIPS code,
>> county, tract, and block group codes, which, depending on your
>> geography, might be complex — in my area it wasn't, as Alaskan block
>> groups are huge.
>>
>> The resulting block identifiers will look like the codes exported from
>> Powercode/Towercoverage/Sonar etc. Then you'll need the remaining
>> columns, which are delivery technology code (2 digits), residential
>> boolean, residential down, residential up, business boolean, business
>> down, business up. I believe down/up is max offered speeds, in megabits.
>> Format info is in the reference material at the 477 web interface.
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Re: [WISPA] PTP100 5.7 radios

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Last time I bought any, SWG was selling them for $25/ea. I bought a 
mountain and I'm still going through them.


On 8/18/2016 10:18 AM, Marco Coelho wrote:

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Re: [WISPA] FM Radio interference

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I knocked up a quick shopping list at Home Depot, even including all the 
fittings it's not bad. The OD on 3/4" Flex EMT is a little more than 1", 
so around $200 plus the cost of hangars for a full 300ft of tower height.

While not cheap, it's not an overly expensive solution either.

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Re: [WISPA] FM Radio interference

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On 7/14/2016 3:43 PM, Nick Bright wrote:
> On 7/14/2016 3:35 PM, Shawn C. Peppers wrote:
>> Fiber with direct dc power to a edgepoint that is inside a metal enclosure.  
>> Save yourself the hassle because you will always have problems if you do 
>> not.  Put your cables out of the edgepoint to the radios in flexible EMT or 
>> MC conduct.
>>
>> Shawn C. Peppers
> That's probably the best solution, over using ferrites.
>
> There is also the option of CAT5e with corrugated copper shielding, but
> MC conduit would be cheaper.
>
For anybody wondering, it looks like this type of armoring without 
pre-installed copper wires is referred to as "Flexible EMT" not MC.

There are both Aluminum and Steel products available

http://www.homedepot.com/p/AFC-Cable-Systems-3-4-in-x-100-ft-Flexible-Aluminum-Conduit-5603-30-AFC/204847343

http://www.homedepot.com/p/AFC-Cable-Systems-1-2-in-x-100-ft-Flexible-Steel-Conduit-5502-30-AFC/204847339

http://www.homedepot.com/p/AFC-Cable-Systems-3-8-in-x-100-ft-Flexible-Steel-Conduit-5501-30-AFC/205070919

3/4" should fit 4 or maybe 5 shielded cat5e cables. It looks like, from 
the specs, a single shireen 5e shielded cable would fit with about .2" 
extra room in the 3/8" version.

Shaun, what are your thoughts of liquid tight vs standard? Which do you 
use? Does anybody see any issues with capacitance changes in the 
shielding when it's wet, if not using liquid tight?

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Re: [WISPA] FM Radio interference

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On 7/14/2016 3:35 PM, Shawn C. Peppers wrote:
> Fiber with direct dc power to a edgepoint that is inside a metal enclosure.  
> Save yourself the hassle because you will always have problems if you do not. 
>  Put your cables out of the edgepoint to the radios in flexible EMT or MC 
> conduct.
>
> Shawn C. Peppers
Do you know of a source to get MC without the copper pre-installed? What 
do you find is a good size for one cable? Do you use standard electrical 
junctions to consolidate them into a larger MC for the vertical run?

e.g. use a large (perhaps solid) conduit to get to the top, then break 
out to MC for each individual unit?

I'm interested in trying this strategy to compare it to ferrite chokes, 
which I have had good success with - when installed properly - but it is 
not a perfect solution, as sometimes link rates will still drop to 
10Mbps. I have to keep a script running on my routers to bounce the port 
if it drops to 10Mbps, which isn't very often.

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Re: [WISPA] FM Radio interference

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On 7/14/2016 3:35 PM, Shawn C. Peppers wrote:
> Fiber with direct dc power to a edgepoint that is inside a metal enclosure.  
> Save yourself the hassle because you will always have problems if you do not. 
>  Put your cables out of the edgepoint to the radios in flexible EMT or MC 
> conduct.
>
> Shawn C. Peppers
That's probably the best solution, over using ferrites.

There is also the option of CAT5e with corrugated copper shielding, but 
MC conduit would be cheaper.

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Re: [WISPA] FM Radio interference

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I've had similar experiences at FM sites. The basic issue is that many 
FM transmitters have a spurious spike about 1MHz wide right around 
32MHz. Since 100Mbps and 1000Mbps ethernet use a base frequency of 
32.5MHz, this is what causes your issue. If this spurious emission from 
the transmitter has enough power, it will drop your links to 10Mbps.


>I moved our radios 35 feet away from the bottom their antennas and 
still cannot link at 100BT.

I always try to be 30+ft away, so that should be a reasonable distance.

> I've tried ferrite rings on both ends, all cables are shielded and 
grounded.


We also use fully shielded and grounded cables. By this I mean Shireen 
with RF armor ends, and McCowan surge suppressors at the top, grounded 
to the tower frame. We don't use any other special grounding mechanisms 
(such as grounding the CAT5 shield using an LMR200 grounding kit - which 
I've had suggested before, but never tried).


What we have found to be a successful tactic is using Ferrites - 
however, it can't be just any ferrite, and it has to be installed in a 
specific way.


We use a FAIR-RITE Type 44 snap-on (TYpe 43 or Type 44 are acceptable):
http://www.kregercomponents.com/fair-rite-products/0444164281

The solid equivalent is 2643540002 but you'll have to recrimp your 
cables to use them. It does have higher impedance than the snap-on 
units, though, so there is a slight benefit.


You must fully weatherproof these, or freeze/thaw will break them off in 
one or two winters!


Next, you need to use enough of them. You must form a continuous line of 
ferrites *for at least 12 inches*. One single ferrite _is not 
sufficient_. We use TEN units on each end of the cable.


Next, you need to put them in the right place: The continuous line of 
ferrites must start _no further than 10cm from the termination point_ of 
the cable.


We have had repeatable success with this method at several FM sites. 
It's not perfect, as sometimes a link will still kick down every now and 
then, but it makes the problem a lot more tolerable. I suspect that more 
chokes would reduce the frequency of "every now and then".


On 7/14/2016 3:18 PM, Marco Coelho wrote:
I have an existing tower that has a FM transmitter on it.  I believe 
they are just under 10,000 Watts.
Since we have been one that tower, I could never link up Ethernet that 
runs up the tower to the equipment on the bottom at 100BT.  I've tried 
ferrite rings on both ends, all cables are shielded and grounded.  
Always had to go to 10BT to get a link.


I moved our radios 35 feet away from the bottom their antennas and 
still cannot link at 100BT.


The new radios require 1000BT too use them to full advantage. Ideas?

I'm considering conduit all the way up the tower.  I don't want to put 
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Re: [WISPA] RJ45 Connectors?

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On 7/13/2016 12:47 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:

Whats the options? Good Quality?


We've been pretty happy with the RF Armor ones. There's a bad one here 
and there, but probably only 1 out of every 3 or 4 boxes.


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Re: [WISPA] VoIP - Who is using successfully?

[Nick Olsen]

You'll want to make sure you're tagging the Voip traffic with a DSCP tag. So 
the UBNT gear will give it a dedicated timeslot. This should improve the call 
quality if your issue is related to the RF side.

 If your issue is your connection to Vitelity, Or something else in the path, 
It won't make much of a difference.

 Off question.. Does anyone know if MT Radios do any type of automatic 
classification like airmax does as part of Nstream? Can this be changed with 
DSCP tags? Or would you have to just mark the DSCP tags and queue it yourself 
on the link?

 Nick Olsen
Network Operations  (855) FLSPEED  x106




 From: Matt Brendle mattagator.mailingli...@gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 4:10 PM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP - Who is using successfully?

Nope.  Public IP on the CPE.  CPE is set to router mode and then we are doing 
DMZ to the ATA.  Customer router sits behind ATA so local QOS is being handled 
by the ATA.



I am doing traffic shaping in the CPE, but with VoIP customers we disable 
bursting.  Other than that I don't do any prioritizing.



-Matt



From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 4:00 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP - Who is using successfully?



Is the VOIP traffic encapsulated in any way, such as EoIP, PPPoE, etc?

If so, AirMax will not be able to prioritize it correctly, assuming the correct 
DSCP value is assigned to the traffic to begin with.

Josh Reynolds, CIO
SPITwSPOTS
www.spitwspots.com

On 07/31/2014 11:56 AM, Matt Brendle wrote:

So a question for the masses.  We are selling VoIP services and the number of 
Support Calls we get about poor performance is more than I would expect.  Our 
basic setup is UBNT backhauls and APs, Mikrotik infrastructure routers, and 
CISCO/Linksys ATAs.  Primarily Vitelity accounts.  We get complaints of 
choppiness and other issues, and I wanted to see what others are using 
successfully.  I am currently making a test procedure to try to find out where 
the issue is, but if anybody has success stories and example setups that would 
be great.



I know that is a rather broad question, but I want to make this work and get 
our Support Calls down.



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Re: [WISPA] OT Fax over Voip

[Nick Olsen]

I've seen pretty good luck with T38 for faxing over VOIP. Obviously, This 
only works for faxing. Not alarms..etc.

 Nick Olsen
Network Operations  (855) FLSPEED  x106




 From: wi...@mncomm.com
Sent: Monday, March 31, 2014 10:04 AM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] OT Fax over Voip
   I have a customer that we installed an IP phone system for. They moved their 
office to a new building where the telco couldn't or wouldn't bring service to. 
So I have the PBX at their old location where the COs come in and we go over a 
wireless link to the new office where they use their internet and IP phones, 
and all works great.

 So their fax machine sits at their old location and they want it in their new 
location. They are not interested in doing Internet fax at this time, but I may 
have to introduce it again. A while ago we bought some Grandstream gateway 
devices. We have them configured correctly and they transmit and receive voice 
just fine, just no fax.

 So, the scenario would be the CO goes into a gateway device to convert to 
digital, goes over the LAN to the other gateway device. That device hooks up to 
the fax machine. If someone has done this before can you share the products you 
may have used? The products we have say they will work this way, but no luck, 
just voice transmission. I may have a bad device as well.

 Also, is there any internet fax services that allow users to use their 
existing fax machine? I know it's a little weird to ask that, but some people 
have a hard time with change using their PC to send faxes

 thanks
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Re: [WISPA] Outsourced Server and mail hosting

[Nick Olsen]

Been dealing with Google Apps for education support on an email issue most 
of yesterday. They've proven to be completely useless thus far. /2cents
  
 Nick Olsen
Network Operations  (855) FLSPEED  x106

  


 From: Mac Dearman li...@inetsouth.com
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2014 8:48 PM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced Server and mail hosting   
Well... I have never had a problem with godaddy and we take care of the
customer support. Everything the sub needs is provided for them in their
webmail home page. Mobile email setup, outlook, Iphone, droid...etc is all
just a hyperlink and its done. It has been too easy. I didn't say it was
free :-) , but it sure is sweet

Mac

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2014 3:32 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced Server and mail hosting

Wow, I went through a nightmare with a customer who was using GoDaddy...
We switched them to gmail and they are happy now.. They got NO help
from GoDaddy... around and around they went.. Both on our network and
charter so was able to eliminate that as the problem..

On 03/06/2014 01:14 PM, Mac Dearman wrote:
 We have been outsourcing email/hosting..etc to GoDaddy for 26 months
 now and I can honestly say that it has been a real relief for us.
 Their spam solution has been good as well. We pay about .60 cents a
 month per sub, but they have really nice webmail.


 YMMV, GL
 Mac

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 On Behalf Of Matt
 Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2014 12:11 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced Server and mail hosting

 We are using tucows/opensrs. The antispam isn't as good as Postini was.
 But we fired Postini/Google when I found out that they spy on the
 customer's communications. Tucows doesn't.

 About how much is Tucows per box?
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Re: [WISPA] Outsourced Server and mail hosting

[Nick Olsen]

Irish? No. Both foreign (Unknown origin) but not Irish for sure.
  
 Nick Olsen
Network Operations  (855) FLSPEED  x106

  


 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2014 9:07 AM
To: n...@flhsi.com
Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced Server and mail hosting   

Did you talk to the Irish people?  

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373  On Mar 7, 2014 9:01 AM, Nick Olsen n...@flhsi.com 
wrote:   Been dealing with Google Apps for education support on an email 
issue most of yesterday. They've proven to be completely useless thus far. 
/2cents
  
 Nick Olsen
Network Operations   (855) FLSPEED  x106

  


 From: Mac Dearman li...@inetsouth.com
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2014 8:48 PM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced Server and mail hosting
 Well... I have never had a problem with godaddy and we take care of the
customer support. Everything the sub needs is provided for them in their
webmail home page. Mobile email setup, outlook, Iphone, droid...etc is all
just a hyperlink and its done. It has been too easy. I didn't say it was
free :-) , but it sure is sweet

Mac

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2014 3:32 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced Server and mail hosting

Wow, I went through a nightmare with a customer who was using GoDaddy...
We switched them to gmail and they are happy now.. They got NO help
from GoDaddy... around and around they went.. Both on our network and
charter so was able to eliminate that as the problem..

On 03/06/2014 01:14 PM, Mac Dearman wrote:
 We have been outsourcing email/hosting..etc to GoDaddy for 26 months
 now and I can honestly say that it has been a real relief for us.
 Their spam solution has been good as well. We pay about .60 cents a
 month per sub, but they have really nice webmail.


 YMMV, GL
 Mac

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 On Behalf Of Matt
 Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2014 12:11 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced Server and mail hosting

 We are using tucows/opensrs. The antispam isn't as good as Postini was.
 But we fired Postini/Google when I found out that they spy on the
 customer's communications. Tucows doesn't.

 About how much is Tucows per box?
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Re: [WISPA] Outsourced Server and mail hosting

[Nick Olsen]

Darn, And here I thought you had some kind of Google Apps secret for me. 
Like Talk to the Irish people, They're the competent ones.
  
 Granted, That would've been an awkward phone call. Can I speak to.. The 
.. Irish... people?
  
 Nick Olsen
Network Operations  (855) FLSPEED  x106

  


 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2014 9:36 AM
To: n...@flhsi.com
Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced Server and mail hosting   

Well I'm bad at my foreign accents.  I thought I read Scottish or Irish.  

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373  On Mar 7, 2014 9:09 AM, Nick Olsen n...@flhsi.com 
wrote:   Irish? No. Both foreign (Unknown origin) but not Irish for sure.
  
 Nick Olsen
Network Operations   (855) FLSPEED  x106

  


 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2014 9:07 AM
To: n...@flhsi.com
Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced Server and mail hosting

Did you talk to the Irish people?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373On Mar 7, 2014 9:01 AM, Nick Olsen n...@flhsi.com 
wrote:Been dealing with Google Apps for education support on an email 
issue most of yesterday. They've proven to be completely useless thus far. 
/2cents
  
 Nick Olsen
Network Operations(855) FLSPEED  x106

  


 From: Mac Dearman li...@inetsouth.com
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2014 8:48 PM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced Server and mail hosting 
  Well... I have never had a problem with godaddy and we take care of the
customer support. Everything the sub needs is provided for them in their
webmail home page. Mobile email setup, outlook, Iphone, droid...etc is all
just a hyperlink and its done. It has been too easy. I didn't say it was
free :-) , but it sure is sweet

Mac

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2014 3:32 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced Server and mail hosting

Wow, I went through a nightmare with a customer who was using GoDaddy...
We switched them to gmail and they are happy now.. They got NO help
from GoDaddy... around and around they went.. Both on our network and
charter so was able to eliminate that as the problem..

On 03/06/2014 01:14 PM, Mac Dearman wrote:
 We have been outsourcing email/hosting..etc to GoDaddy for 26 months
 now and I can honestly say that it has been a real relief for us.
 Their spam solution has been good as well. We pay about .60 cents a
 month per sub, but they have really nice webmail.


 YMMV, GL
 Mac

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 On Behalf Of Matt
 Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2014 12:11 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced Server and mail hosting

 We are using tucows/opensrs. The antispam isn't as good as Postini was.
 But we fired Postini/Google when I found out that they spy on the
 customer's communications. Tucows doesn't.

 About how much is Tucows per box?
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Re: [WISPA] Outsourced Server and mail hosting

[Nick Olsen]

For this particular customer. We/they filter their incoming mail through a 
Barracuda spam filter. From there it's forwarded to Google Apps. 
  
 Well recently $CUSTOMER has been bouncing around a TON of internal email 
due to sending internal distribution lists. Then people reply all the 
message, Spawning another 300+ emails. So the key here. Is that google 
apps. Even for internal user to user mail. Does an MX lookup and sends the 
mail to whatever it gets back. So even their internal mail gets looped 
through our barracuda filter.
  
 Well, Mail started to stack up in the barracuda getting rejected by google 
SMTP for exceeding the users rate limit. Which is apparently 180 messages a 
minute, 3600 an hour. Or 86,400 a day. Google swears this is per-user. 
Not per domain. Or per sending IP. But it appears that's incorrect. As no 
one user has received that much mail. The domain as a whole has. As well as 
a single sending IP (Our barracuda) exceeded that limit.
  
 After about an hour on the phone with support. They asked me to send them 
headers. Only to reply four hours later with a carbon copy of the error 
message I was already given in the SMTP session 
(http://support.google.com/mail/answer/6592).
  
 Guess we'll see how they respond to my follow up email.
  
 Nick Olsen
Network Operations  (855) FLSPEED  x106

  


 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2014 9:44 AM
To: n...@flhsi.com
Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced Server and mail hosting   

Eh If you can't fix my problem find someone who can.  

What is the issue?  

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373  On Mar 7, 2014 9:40 AM, Nick Olsen n...@flhsi.com 
wrote:   Darn, And here I thought you had some kind of Google Apps secret 
for me. Like Talk to the Irish people, They're the competent ones.
  
 Granted, That would've been an awkward phone call. Can I speak to.. The 
.. Irish... people?
  
 Nick Olsen
Network Operations   (855) FLSPEED  x106

  


 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2014 9:36 AM
To: n...@flhsi.com
Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced Server and mail hosting

Well I'm bad at my foreign accents.  I thought I read Scottish or Irish.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373On Mar 7, 2014 9:09 AM, Nick Olsen n...@flhsi.com 
wrote:Irish? No. Both foreign (Unknown origin) but not Irish for sure.
  
 Nick Olsen
Network Operations(855) FLSPEED  x106

  


 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2014 9:07 AM
To: n...@flhsi.com
Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced Server and mail hosting 

Did you talk to the Irish people?  

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373  On Mar 7, 2014 9:01 AM, Nick Olsen n...@flhsi.com 
wrote: Been dealing with Google Apps for education support on an email 
issue most of yesterday. They've proven to be completely useless thus far. 
/2cents
  
 Nick Olsen
Network Operations (855) FLSPEED  x106

  


 From: Mac Dearman li...@inetsouth.com
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2014 8:48 PM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced Server and mail hosting  
   Well... I have never had a problem with godaddy and we take care of the
customer support. Everything the sub needs is provided for them in their
webmail home page. Mobile email setup, outlook, Iphone, droid...etc is all
just a hyperlink and its done. It has been too easy. I didn't say it was
free :-) , but it sure is sweet

Mac

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2014 3:32 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced Server and mail hosting

Wow, I went through a nightmare with a customer who was using GoDaddy...
We switched them to gmail and they are happy now.. They got NO help
from GoDaddy... around and around they went.. Both on our network and
charter so was able to eliminate that as the problem..

On 03/06/2014 01:14 PM, Mac Dearman wrote:
 We have been outsourcing email/hosting..etc to GoDaddy for 26 months
 now and I can honestly say that it has been a real relief for us.
 Their spam solution has been good as well. We pay about .60 cents a
 month per sub, but they have really nice webmail.


 YMMV, GL
 Mac

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 On Behalf Of Matt
 Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2014 12:11 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced Server

Re: [WISPA] Outsourced Server and mail hosting

[Nick Olsen]

Agreed. Like I said. We exceed that on a per-domain or per-sendingIP 
basis.
  
 However, They swear that limit is per-user. So, User receives an email 
that is part of a list. Replies all, Which sends to an Alias. And that 
Alias spawns off 300+ emails to 300+ users. So no one user actually 
Received more then a few emails per minute.
  
 Just like this list. The mail server in question may send 300+ emails when 
I click send. But I, Nor you. Have received any more then a few messages.
  
 Nick Olsen
Network Operations  (855) FLSPEED  x106

  


 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2014 10:10 AM
To: n...@flhsi.com n...@flhsi.com
Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced Server and mail hosting   
 If there are 300 members one reply to all is 300 messages in that one 
moment, which well exceeds 180/minute, though...
   
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
   On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 9:59 AM, Nick Olsen n...@flhsi.com wrote:   For 
this particular customer. We/they filter their incoming mail through a 
Barracuda spam filter. From there it's forwarded to Google Apps. 
  
 Well recently $CUSTOMER has been bouncing around a TON of internal email 
due to sending internal distribution lists. Then people reply all the 
message, Spawning another 300+ emails. So the key here. Is that google 
apps. Even for internal user to user mail. Does an MX lookup and sends the 
mail to whatever it gets back. So even their internal mail gets looped 
through our barracuda filter.
  
 Well, Mail started to stack up in the barracuda getting rejected by google 
SMTP for exceeding the users rate limit. Which is apparently 180 messages a 
minute, 3600 an hour. Or 86,400 a day. Google swears this is per-user. 
Not per domain. Or per sending IP. But it appears that's incorrect. As no 
one user has received that much mail. The domain as a whole has. As well as 
a single sending IP (Our barracuda) exceeded that limit.
  
 After about an hour on the phone with support. They asked me to send them 
headers. Only to reply four hours later with a carbon copy of the error 
message I was already given in the SMTP session 
(http://support.google.com/mail/answer/6592).
  
 Guess we'll see how they respond to my follow up email.
   
 Nick Olsen
Network Operations   (855) FLSPEED  x106

  



 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2014 9:44 AM   
To: n...@flhsi.com
Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced Server and mail hosting



Eh If you can't fix my problem find someone who can.  

What is the issue?  

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373  On Mar 7, 2014 9:40 AM, Nick Olsen n...@flhsi.com 
wrote:Darn, And here I thought you had some kind of Google Apps secret 
for me. Like Talk to the Irish people, They're the competent ones.
  
 Granted, That would've been an awkward phone call. Can I speak to.. The 
.. Irish... people?
  
 Nick Olsen
Network Operations(855) FLSPEED  x106

  


 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2014 9:36 AM
To: n...@flhsi.com
Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced Server and mail hosting 

Well I'm bad at my foreign accents.  I thought I read Scottish or Irish.
  

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373  On Mar 7, 2014 9:09 AM, Nick Olsen n...@flhsi.com 
wrote: Irish? No. Both foreign (Unknown origin) but not Irish for 
sure.
  
 Nick Olsen
Network Operations (855) FLSPEED  x106

  


 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2014 9:07 AM
To: n...@flhsi.com
Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced Server and mail hosting  

Did you talk to the Irish people?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373On Mar 7, 2014 9:01 AM, Nick Olsen n...@flhsi.com 
wrote:  Been dealing with Google Apps for education support on an email 
issue most of yesterday. They've proven to be completely useless thus far. 
/2cents
  
 Nick Olsen
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 From: Mac Dearman li...@inetsouth.com
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2014 8:48 PM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced Server and mail hosting   
Well... I have never had a problem with godaddy and we take care of 
the
customer support. Everything the sub needs is provided for them in their
webmail home page. Mobile email setup, outlook, Iphone, droid...etc is all
just a hyperlink

Re: [WISPA] Outsourced Server and mail hosting

[Nick Olsen]

Well, Technically they sent One. Because it sends to an alias. Which then 
sends to the rest of the users. That being said. They limit and error given 
specifically says Receiving. Not sending.
  
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 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2014 10:20 AM
To: n...@flhsi.com n...@flhsi.com
Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced Server and mail hosting   
 But that one user sent 300 messages.  I'm not talking about receiving.
   
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
   On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 10:14 AM, Nick Olsen n...@flhsi.com wrote:   
Agreed. Like I said. We exceed that on a per-domain or per-sendingIP 
basis.
  
 However, They swear that limit is per-user. So, User receives an email 
that is part of a list. Replies all, Which sends to an Alias. And that 
Alias spawns off 300+ emails to 300+ users. So no one user actually 
Received more then a few emails per minute.
  
 Just like this list. The mail server in question may send 300+ emails when 
I click send. But I, Nor you. Have received any more then a few messages.
   
 Nick Olsen
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 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2014 10:10 AM
To: n...@flhsi.com n...@flhsi.com   
Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced Server and mail hosting


 If there are 300 members one reply to all is 300 messages in that one 
moment, which well exceeds 180/minute, though...
 
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
 On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 9:59 AM, Nick Olsen n...@flhsi.com wrote:
For this particular customer. We/they filter their incoming mail through a 
Barracuda spam filter. From there it's forwarded to Google Apps. 
  
 Well recently $CUSTOMER has been bouncing around a TON of internal email 
due to sending internal distribution lists. Then people reply all the 
message, Spawning another 300+ emails. So the key here. Is that google 
apps. Even for internal user to user mail. Does an MX lookup and sends the 
mail to whatever it gets back. So even their internal mail gets looped 
through our barracuda filter.
  
 Well, Mail started to stack up in the barracuda getting rejected by google 
SMTP for exceeding the users rate limit. Which is apparently 180 messages a 
minute, 3600 an hour. Or 86,400 a day. Google swears this is per-user. 
Not per domain. Or per sending IP. But it appears that's incorrect. As no 
one user has received that much mail. The domain as a whole has. As well as 
a single sending IP (Our barracuda) exceeded that limit.
  
 After about an hour on the phone with support. They asked me to send them 
headers. Only to reply four hours later with a carbon copy of the error 
message I was already given in the SMTP session 
(http://support.google.com/mail/answer/6592).
  
 Guess we'll see how they respond to my follow up email.
   
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 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2014 9:44 AM
To: n...@flhsi.com
Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced Server and mail hosting

  

Eh If you can't fix my problem find someone who can.  

What is the issue?  

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373  On Mar 7, 2014 9:40 AM, Nick Olsen n...@flhsi.com 
wrote: Darn, And here I thought you had some kind of Google Apps secret 
for me. Like Talk to the Irish people, They're the competent ones.
  
 Granted, That would've been an awkward phone call. Can I speak to.. The 
.. Irish... people?
  
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 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2014 9:36 AM
To: n...@flhsi.com
Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced Server and mail hosting  

Well I'm bad at my foreign accents.  I thought I read Scottish or Irish.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373On Mar 7, 2014 9:09 AM, Nick Olsen n...@flhsi.com 
wrote:  Irish? No. Both foreign (Unknown origin) but not Irish for 
sure.
  
 Nick Olsen
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 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2014 9:07 AM
To: n...@flhsi.com
Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced Server and mail hosting   

Did you talk to the Irish people?  

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100

Re: [WISPA] rDNS for customer IPs

[Nick Olsen]

We have entries for all of our space that is like 4-2-2-1.static.flhsi.com. 
And will insert records for a customer at their request for their static 
IP's.
  
 Never seen a website query for PTR before it would serve a page. But 
nothing surprises me these days.
  
 We specifically used the word Static in the PTR record because we found 
some mail providers would reject mail from them if it didn't include that 
word. And it was worse if it included anything like dynamic dyn. /YMMV
  
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 From: Kristian Hoffmann kh...@fire2wire.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2014 5:07 PM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] rDNS for customer IPs   
 It helps to include the word static in the PTR record.  At least one RBL 
uses this as a litmus test for whether or not IPs are static vs. dynamic, 
and will add your addresses en masse to their dynamic address block lists.  
That is, if your give static IP addresses.

-Kristian

On 03/05/2014 01:16 PM, Chris Fabien wrote:
  Is it customary to provide rDNS for all customer public IP addresses? We 
just had a complaint of one particular website running very slow, our 
customer contacted the website owner who said it was because we needed to 
fix our rDNS. The website acts like it must be doing a rDNS lookup and 
waiting for it to time out before serving a page.  
 We've not ever had this configured for customer IPs before. Are we 
supposed to? 



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Re: [WISPA] rDNS for customer IPs

[Nick Olsen]

It's always truly static :)
  
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 From: Mark Spring m...@nktelco.net
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2014 10:24 AM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] rDNS for customer IPs   
 Seems to me you wouldn't want to run down the list and create rDNS in the 
blind that says static in it unless it is truly static.Mark Spring
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   On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 8:56 AM, Nick Olsen n...@flhsi.com wrote:   We 
have entries for all of our space that is like 4-2-2-1.static.flhsi.com. 
And will insert records for a customer at their request for their static 
IP's.
  
 Never seen a website query for PTR before it would serve a page. But 
nothing surprises me these days.
  
 We specifically used the word Static in the PTR record because we found 
some mail providers would reject mail from them if it didn't include that 
word. And it was worse if it included anything like dynamic dyn. /YMMV
  
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 From: Kristian Hoffmann kh...@fire2wire.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2014 5:07 PM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] rDNS for customer IPs
It helps to include the word static in the PTR record.  At least one 
RBL uses this as a litmus test for whether or not IPs are static vs. 
dynamic, and will add your addresses en masse to their dynamic address 
block lists.  That is, if your give static IP addresses.

-Kristian
 
 On 03/05/2014 01:16 PM, Chris Fabien wrote:

   Is it customary to provide rDNS for all customer public IP addresses? We 
just had a complaint of one particular website running very slow, our 
customer contacted the website owner who said it was because we needed to 
fix our rDNS. The website acts like it must be doing a rDNS lookup and 
waiting for it to time out before serving a page.
   We've not ever had this configured for customer IPs before. Are we 
supposed to? 

   

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[WISPA] High Bandwidth Service in Highland, IL

[Nick W]

Does anyone provide service here? If so, please contact me off list.

Thanks
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Re: [WISPA] Advice Needed on 200 Mbps FDX Radios

[Nick Olsen]

Not their dual radio setup. But I've used a bunch of the Ligowave LigoPTP 
5-N[23] PRO radios. They run the same W-jet polling. The unity just has a 
faster processor and two ethernet ports. In my experience and environment. 
A single radio was good for about 60-80Mb/s one way (30-40Mb/s Duplex). 
With a 20Mhz channel. Never tried it in 40Mhz.

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From: Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappytelecom.net
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2014 11:38 PM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Advice Needed on 200 Mbps FDX Radios

Anyone with first-hand experience in this type of setup ?

http://www.ligowave.com/ligoptp-5-23-unity

Regards

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet  Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

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From: Ian Framson i...@tradeshowinternet.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2014 8:10:07 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Advice Needed on 200 Mbps FDX Radios

Hi Wisps,

We are looking for a pair of radios that can do 200 Mbps FDX over 11 miles 
(real world, not manufacturer's theoretical marketing promises). We are 
looking at using an unlicensed link (most likely 5 GHz) due to the time 
constraints, although we're open to suggestions. 

The make/model we were considering was Motorola PTP650 with 450 Mbps 
upgrade license.  We are not wed to Motorola, however. The cost seems to be 
the limiting factor at this point.

Another WISP I spoke with mentioned Bridgewave TD60 might be 1 
possibility.

Your thoughts?

Ian Framson
Co-founder

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Re: [WISPA] CableWIFI?

[Nick Olsen]

We see them here all the time. Both CableWIFI, BrightHouseNetworks (The 
name of the cable company) as well as hidden SSID's. They have been 
stringing them around the county for awhile now. Even started to deploy on 
5Ghz. It's pretty ridiculous. Do a site-survey from one of your towers and 
watch how many thousands your AP's can see.

I heard something about them using them for their new security offering. 
Allowing an alarm Brain to connect to a near by AP via 5Ghz for 
monitoring.

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From: Mike Lyon mike.l...@gmail.com
Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 1:43 PM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] CableWIFI?

Startting to see this SSID pop up around town.

How is this conglomerate setting up it's APs? Are the likes of comcast
and such just adding add'l SSIDs to users gateways / cable modems or
are they actually deploying dedicated infrastructure?

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Re: [WISPA] Level3 Explosion?

[Nick Olsen]

I was told yesterday at about 3:30pm EST that they were going to have 
scheduled emergency maintenance.
We saw the BGP session flap. NANOG had a few words about it too.

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 From: Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 7:05 AM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org, memb...@wispa.org 
memb...@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Level3 Explosion?

Did anyone else see an explosion on the Level3 network this morning? 
They've been up and down all morning since around 2:30 eastern time... 
just recovered recently.
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Re: [WISPA] Speed Test and XP

[Nick Olsen]

I'm not aware of any issues with it. I will note however, That 
speedtest.net is a terrible way to test that kind of bandwidth. 
Iperf/Mikrotik Bandwidth Test is much better for this.

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 From: ~NGL~ n...@ngl.net
Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2012 2:21 PM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Speed Test and XP

 Anyone having problems running Speedtest..NET with XP for up to 100 
megs? Any work around? Thanx NGL 
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Re: [WISPA] Fiber handoff to Mikrotik

[Nick Olsen]

Also depends on your commit. How was your CPU load looking with the RB493G? 
If you're increasing bandwidth, And you were on the edge of needing a 
faster router. Might as well do them at the same time.

Baltic Networks/RouterMaxx with SFP ports comes to mind as a nice step up.

Nick Olsen
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 From: Scott Reed sr...@nwwnet.net
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 1:22 PM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fiber handoff to Mikrotik

I depends on what fiber they hand you.  If it is Multi-Mode, you can get 
sub $75.00 media converters and leave the 450 in place.
If it is Single Mode, you may as well get a router with SFP ports as to 
get a media converter.

On 11/13/2012 1:00 PM, Dave Barker wrote:
 I'm upgrading my data from the provider. It's fiber right now but hands 
off from the provider as Ethernet. The new circuit is going to handoff as 
fiber. Currently I'm using a RB493G router at my DEMARC, what Mikrotik 
router do you all recommend to take a fiber handoff?
 Thanks
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Re: [WISPA] Cogent?

[Nick Olsen]

Never really had a problem with them. (Or any downtime that wasn't 
maintenance related..)

As others said, Tier 1 tech support has a clue. And can actually complete 
BGP functions. Email based support is fast (Like updating prefix filters).

You get the speeds to pay for. The one thing they do however is 
de-prioritise ICMP on their routers. So traceroutes look poor to the 
untrained eye. Someone will say, I trace to google and as soon as it hits 
cogent the ping goes up to 200ms with packet loss! I point out that the end 
hop is fine and that's just how cogent works.

Oh, And if your circuit is under Gigabit, and your running BGP you have to 
do this whole A peer B peer type setup with multihop BGP. Which is a bit 
annoying. But Gig and above you are interfaced right into their main router 
for that location and hold a session with your neighbor.

Nick Olsen
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 From: Adam Greene maill...@webjogger.net
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2012 5:31 PM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Cogent?

Hi all,

Cogent approached us recently, trying to sell us a 100M/100M Internet 
pipe. Anyone using them for upstream? Has your experience been generally 
positive or negative?

Thanks,
Adam
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[WISPA] Questions for those that have bought/sold WISPs

[Nick W]

I am a minority shareholder and am basically looking to sell out to my
partner (a corporation). I know there has been a lot of discussion about
valuing and selling WISPs over the years. It seems like the answers vary
depending on equipment, customers, contracts, location, etc. The thing I
see the most is selling for 1x, 1.5x, or 2x gross annual receipts, unless
it is a failing company, in which case the number is dramatically lower.

The only real difference for me is that I own less shares than the other
partner. Has anyone bought/sold minority shares of a WISP, and is there
anything different about valuing that? I'm looking at selling back my
shares and want to make sure they're getting valued correctly.

I have proposed 12-months gross receipts * my percentage. They are pushing
for net revenue or gross profit - which are both net of expenses or net of
cost of sales. I've never seen a net number used before - my dad sold his
aerospace company about 15 years ago and used 12-months gross receipts +
cash on hand for his sale number. In addition to this number, there are
enterprise customer contracts that have been signed but have not been fully
deployed yet, and therefore are not reflected on the books - it seems like
these should be added to the value as well.

On top of that, I am a co-signer on a line of credit for the company, how
should that be handled? Has anyone dealt with that?

Thanks in advance for any input or advice you guys can provide.

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Re: [WISPA] [Wisp] Questions for those that have bought/sold WISPs

[Nick W]

It shouldn't, but there are more experienced people than I, so that's why I
asked. That's exactly what I proposed with Value = 12mo gross receipts.


On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 10:17 AM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote:

 Why would it matter how big your stake is?  Value * (% stake).

 I would get my name off the line of credit if I'm not going to have any of
 the benefits.  Call the bank.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373


 On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 1:15 PM, Nick W lists-wi...@atomsplash.com wrote:

 I am a minority shareholder and am basically looking to sell out to my
 partner (a corporation). I know there has been a lot of discussion about
 valuing and selling WISPs over the years. It seems like the answers vary
 depending on equipment, customers, contracts, location, etc. The thing I
 see the most is selling for 1x, 1.5x, or 2x gross annual receipts, unless
 it is a failing company, in which case the number is dramatically lower.

 The only real difference for me is that I own less shares than the other
 partner. Has anyone bought/sold minority shares of a WISP, and is there
 anything different about valuing that? I'm looking at selling back my
 shares and want to make sure they're getting valued correctly.

 I have proposed 12-months gross receipts * my percentage. They are
 pushing for net revenue or gross profit - which are both net of expenses or
 net of cost of sales. I've never seen a net number used before - my dad
 sold his aerospace company about 15 years ago and used 12-months gross
 receipts + cash on hand for his sale number. In addition to this number,
 there are enterprise customer contracts that have been signed but have not
 been fully deployed yet, and therefore are not reflected on the books - it
 seems like these should be added to the value as well.

 On top of that, I am a co-signer on a line of credit for the company, how
 should that be handled? Has anyone dealt with that?

 Thanks in advance for any input or advice you guys can provide.

 Nick

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Re: [WISPA] Internet Speed test..are they inaccurate with wireless?

[Nick Olsen]

Well, It really depends.

We found them to be extremely inconsistent. We actually host a 
speedtest.net server just for this reason.

We found on very fast connections (Like.. 100Mb/s and above) that they are 
completely inaccurate. Where is on normal connections (10-30Mb/s) they seem 
to be pretty close. We take iperf (Or mikrotik speedtest) results over all 
else.
That being said, We generally find when the site based speed tests are 
extremely low for multiple users there is normally a problem. Even if its 
hard to see at first.

Have this customer test to a few different locations. Then let him download 
a large zip file from your own network (Like a webserver off your BGP edge 
routers) and compare.

Nick Olsen
Network Operations (855) FLSPEED  x106


 From: Bret Clark bcl...@spectraaccess.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 3:22 PM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Internet Speed test..are they inaccurate with wireless?

We mostly deal with business customer and guarantee bandwidth to customers. 
We validate the bandwidth using IPERF from a Linux server off of our BGP 
edge routers down to the customer and IPERF always shows the customer 
getting the bandwidth they signed up for.  We use QoS to control bandwidth 
and make sure to not oversubscribe any one linksmall ratios of 3:1. 

Of course eventually at some point the customer runs one of those stupid 
bandwidth test on the Internet and the results are woefully inaccurate (not 
in our favor)...but  of course customers take the results as gospel. 
AAA!

It's not our internet connections, we have three 100Mbps BGP links and none 
of them run at more then 50% during peak loads.

Has anyone else found those Internet speed test to be woefully inaccurate? 
Or is something else going on that I'm missing?  

Thanks,
Bret

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[WISPA] EOIP/GRE Performance

[Nick Olsen]

Afternoon All,

We've got a few locations that we service with a dedicated connection of 
ours. We extend OSPF to our router on site..etc.etc..
If the customer would like. We let them purchase a cable connection from 
the local cable company for backup.

We create a EOIP or GRE tunnel over this cable connection back to our main 
POP. And just run it at a higher OSPF cost.

This is all well and good, Here's the problem.

The cable connections are normally 50Mb/s down, 5Mb/s up.
If I run a bandwidth test inside the tunnel, I can only get 25-30Mb/s 
down.
Outside the tunnel, It does the full 50Mb/s.

This is the same for every cable connection we have. They are all 
terminating back to a RB493G in our rack sitting on GigE. I can even run 
multiple bandwidth tests to all of the locations and get an aggregate of 
200Mb/s but no more then 25-30 to any single endpoint.

And ideas?

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Re: [WISPA] EOIP/GRE Performance

[Nick Olsen]

Correct. It is a 50/5 connection. I can verify its not just burst traffic 
by using the mikrotik bandwidth test OUTSIDE the tunnel. Where it will do a 
consistent 50mb/s.
Inside the tunnel without fail, it'll drop to 25-30Mb/s

Nick Olsen
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 From: Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 1:59 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] EOIP/GRE Performance

Take a closer look at what the Cable Package you / your customer have..

They are all bursty packges, and it is fairly common for the Cable Co's to  
allow http traffic to burst, while throttling the other types of packets, 
(makes for nice speed test results).

If you are shaping traffic or doing QOS, I would suggest that you setup 
your limits based on the lower (minimu) set of number that the Cable Co 
packages describes.. (its the stuff written in fine print !).

:)

Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet  Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, Fl 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: 
supp...@snappydsl.net 
On 5/30/2012 1:52 PM, Nick Olsen wrote: Afternoon All,

We've got a few locations that we service with a dedicated connection of 
ours. We extend OSPF to our router on site..etc.etc..
If the customer would like. We let them purchase a cable connection from 
the local cable company for backup.

We create a EOIP or GRE tunnel over this cable connection back to our main 
POP. And just run it at a higher OSPF cost.

This is all well and good, Here's the problem.

The cable connections are normally 50Mb/s down, 5Mb/s up.
If I run a bandwidth test inside the tunnel, I can only get 25-30Mb/s 
down.
Outside the tunnel, It does the full 50Mb/s.

This is the same for every cable connection we have. They are all 
terminating back to a RB493G in our rack sitting on GigE. I can even run 
multiple bandwidth tests to all of the locations and get an aggregate of 
200Mb/s but no more then 25-30 to any single endpoint.

And ideas?

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Re: [WISPA] Customer Routers

[Nick Olsen]

I bought a RB751 for my home. Worked about a month and then died. All the 
lights on it just blink when you plug it in.

However, We've deployed a ton of them and I've only seen a few have the same 
problem mine at home did.

I've also found that if your going to primarily use it while in the same room. 
Turn the power way down. It's just to strong to get decent (15Mb/s) throughput 
if your in the same room as it.

Nick Olsen
Network Operations (855) FLSPEED  x106


 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 4:23 PM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Customer Routers

The one that I am using now was one that I bought.  So either I'm 2
for 2 with bad ones or Mikrotik has problems.

Chuck has 5.14 working so I will try that and hopefully my uptime
doesn't exceed his.  I'd like to see 40 days of uptime.  A week would
be a step forward at this point.  On 5.7 currently.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 3:34 PM, Chris Hudson ch...@htswireless.com wrote:
 Yeah, Josh I don't get that. I've got at least a half dozen at in various
 locations, and have had no problems with them. Order a new one and chunk
 that one. I still haven't found an antenna to use as an external on those..



 Chris



 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Josh Luthman
 Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 2:23 PM

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 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Customer Routers



 Free one from Vegas died.  Bought one and it reboots every few days.  Not
 customer ready.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Apr 26, 2012 3:19 PM, Blake Covarrubias bl...@beamspeed.com wrote:

 Is anyone utilizing RB751's for this role? If so, are they reliable?



 I've thought about using them since they can easily be managed remotely by
 our staff via Webfig, or the API.


 --

 Blake Covarrubias


 On Apr 26, 2012, at 11:40, Chris Fabien ch...@lakenetmi.com wrote:

 We use TP-Link WR340G and can usually get them for about $20 shipped. Just a
 basic G router, but adequate for most customers/houses. We have over 100 in
 the field and only 1 bad one in about a year of using them. Used to use
 Linksys and Netgear, had 3-4 times the failure rate on those.

 On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 2:31 PM, Darin Steffl dcsho...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hey guys,



 What are some of you providing for customer wireless routers if you include
 them in the install as I do?  I currently have a batch of 10 Ubiquiti Air
 Routers and the first two I pulled out are giving me some problems.  Could
 be a bad batch.



 I am also looking at TP-Link as they are about $30 on Amazon with external
 antennas and pretty good reviews.



 TP-Link TL-WR841N



 What are you guys using?



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Re: [WISPA] Remote Access

[Nick Olsen]

They are running a SBS2003 box, AD and all. Something that can tie into that 
would also be nice.

Nick Olsen
Network Operations (855) FLSPEED  x106


 From: Eric Tykwinski eric-l...@truenet.com
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 4:05 PM
To: n...@flhsi.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Remote Access

  If they have a OSX server or Linux server, the Apples could just use a simple 
SSH Tunnel. A little AppleScript setup and it's just a click for the user.   
Sincerely,   Eric Tykwinski TrueNet, Inc. P: 610-429-8300 F: 610-429-3222   
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Nick Olsen
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 3:44 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Remote Access   We've currently got a customer using the a 
sonicwall SSL VPN Netextender to VPN into their internal network. However, 
Lately it hasn't been working to well for them. And they are getting a few 
mac's in the mix these days. And sonicwall says the software doesn't work with 
macs and there is no plan to.

Now, I know I could do this with a simple mikrotik router and PPTP as pretty 
much everything under the sun supports pptp. But we were looking for something 
that might be a little more user friendly. Anyone have any suggestions.
The customer is just looking to gain internal access for things like windows 
filesharing..exchange..etc.. in a secure fashion.  Nick Olsen
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Re: [WISPA] Remote Access

[Nick Olsen]

They have multiple mapped drives that they are use to. So Dropbox would require 
a complete re-teach of the whole office. And I'd use PPTP and Mikrotik before I 
used Hamachi.

Nick Olsen
Network Operations (855) FLSPEED  x106


 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 4:07 PM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Remote Access

Are you open to other applications, like Dropbox?  Hamachi?
 Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 4:05 PM, Eric Tykwinski eric-l...@truenet.com wrote:
   If they have a OSX server or Linux server, the Apples could just use a 
simple SSH Tunnel. A little AppleScript setup and it's just a click for the 
user.Sincerely,   Eric Tykwinski TrueNet, Inc. P: 610-429-8300 F: 
610-429-3222   From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Nick Olsen
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 3:44 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Remote Access  We've currently got a customer using the a 
sonicwall SSL VPN Netextender to VPN into their internal network. However, 
Lately it hasn't been working to well for them. And they are getting a few 
mac's in the mix these days. And sonicwall says the software doesn't work with 
macs and there is no plan to.

Now, I know I could do this with a simple mikrotik router and PPTP as pretty 
much everything under the sun supports pptp. But we were looking for something 
that might be a little more user friendly. Anyone have any suggestions.
The customer is just looking to gain internal access for things like windows 
filesharing..exchange..etc.. in a secure fashion.Nick Olsen
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[WISPA] Remote Access

[Nick Olsen]

We've currently got a customer using the a sonicwall SSL VPN Netextender to 
VPN into their internal network. However, Lately it hasn't been working to 
well for them. And they are getting a few mac's in the mix these days. And 
sonicwall says the software doesn't work with macs and there is no plan 
to.

Now, I know I could do this with a simple mikrotik router and PPTP as 
pretty much everything under the sun supports pptp. But we were looking for 
something that might be a little more user friendly. Anyone have any 
suggestions.
The customer is just looking to gain internal access for things like 
windows filesharing..exchange..etc.. in a secure fashion.

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[WISPA] Trango Gear

[Nick Olsen]

We've got a handful of old trango gear.
5830 AP's/SU's Fox SU's
2400 AP's/SU's
A little bit of the 900 gear as well.

Just wanted to see if anyone wanted dibs before it goes up on ebay.

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Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2

[Nick W]

Alignment can be a pain, but once it's set up it's solid. Make sure they're
mounted to something solid. I have one shooting ~3 miles and can push
100/100 Mbps through it.

On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 11:34 AM, Jawad A Hai ahja...@hotmail.com wrote:

 Hello,

 Have any body used this product LIGOPTP24-2.
 Its on 24 GHZ unlicensed spectrum, does not need an IDU unit. How is the
 product and does it really delivers what the vendor promises. I need about
 100 Mbps link, sites have LOS, distance is around 5 KM. don't wanna use 5
 ghz band its really crowded.
 The price band is around 10k USD.
 Or can any body suggest me a product in same lines ???
 Appreciate your support.

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Re: [WISPA] What is everybody using for alarms?

[Nick Olsen]

We use PRTG, The latest one.


We watch the web client for down devices, And the important stuff alerts us 
via email and text message.


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From: Paolo Di Francesco paolo.difrance...@level7.it

Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 10:46 AM

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org

Subject: [WISPA] What is everybody using for alarms?


Hi all


I am curious to know what kind of alarm system you have implemented to 

see when a link/router is no more reachable on the net.


Nagios or similar?


any hint would be appreciated :)


thank you


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[WISPA] Sales Contract for new Sales Person

[Nick W]

I know this was discussed several times over the last 6 months, but I don't
think I ever saw a contract. I checked the wiki, and didn't see anything
there either. I'm looking to bring on one of my part-time support gals to do
sales. Probably looking at a very base hourly, with hefty commission. Anyone
have a sample contract that they'd be willing to share?

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Re: [WISPA] Seasickness guaranteed (no password)

[Nick Olsen]

Agreed. Where is that?


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From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com

Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 7:43 PM

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org

Subject: Re: [WISPA] Seasickness guaranteed (no password)


That is so freaking cool.

Josh Luthman

Office: 937-552-2340

Direct: 937-552-2343

1100 Wayne St

Suite 1337

Troy, OH 45373


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Re: [WISPA] OT: Linux Virtualization

[Nick W]

I've been experimenting with both the last 2 weeks. I've read that VMWare
will have a 16GB limitation in it's next free version, which is pushing me
to Xen/XenServer. Just ordered parts for iSCSI SAN.


On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 8:38 AM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote:

 Xen and Vmware are pretty good.  I would not suggest using a Linux distro
 and would go with a bare metal (vsphere, xen's alternative)

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 I have worked with Linux quite a little mainly with CentOS as an email
 server etc.  I was curious about trying to do some virtualization now.
  Leaning towards FOSS.  Seems like OpenVZ is easiest to implement but
 also looking at KVM and XEM also.  Seems that CentOS 6 will be
 focusing on KVM.  What else is everyone doing here?



 
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Re: [WISPA] OT: Linux Virtualization

[Nick Olsen]

Yeah, it does. its a paid feature however. The free version doesn't do it. 
But the free version will live migrate. I run a small asterisk server on 
it. When I live migrate the audio just stops for about 3 seconds, And then 
picks right back up. Its awesome.


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From: Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net

Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 11:58 AM

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org

Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Linux Virtualization


Does it have hot spare servers with auto move if SAN equipped ?


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 On Behalf Of Joel Barnard

 Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 10:48 AM

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 Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Linux Virtualization

 

 I would recommend XenServer from Citrix (it's the commercial offering

of

 the open source project) but they offer a free version.

 

 It has a very easy to use GUI, and also has a command line interface.

 

 We virtualize all our servers as it allows us to do full OS backups

fairly easy.

 Plus in the event of a hardware failure, you can move VM's to another

server

 with different hardware easily.

 

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 Niagara Wireless Internet Co.

 1 (877) 654-6942 x 205

 

 

 

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 Subject: [WISPA] OT: Linux Virtualization

 

 I have worked with Linux quite a little mainly with CentOS as an email

 server etc.  I was curious about trying to do some virtualization now.

  Leaning towards FOSS.  Seems like OpenVZ is easiest to implement but

also

 looking at KVM and XEM also.  Seems that CentOS 6 will be focusing on

KVM.

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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti

[Nick W]

What version are you running on AP and CPE?

What kind of range in signals (best is -40, worst is?)

Are you utilizing AirMax priorities on the CPE?


On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 10:11 AM, Pat Nix pni...@cnetworksolutions.comwrote:

 We are starting to notice an evident limitation with ubiquiti's polling
 method.  It seems that when we have more than about 15 or so subs on an AP
 (M2) we start seeing extremely low upload from the sub (100-300mbps) even
 when the sub has almost perfect signal -40db.  AP are running 10Mhz wide
 channel width and are running AirMax.  Is anyone familiar with this issue
 and is there some kind of workaround.  We are looking at deploying some
 M3.65 equipment but are leery if we are going to have the same problem.
  Any
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Re: [WISPA] Strange Issue

[Nick Olsen]

All Routed.
There are multiple Higher cost paths, But I've confirmed traffic is going 
the way It should be.
No queues anywhere on the network.

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 From: Louis Arsenault lo...@ntinet.com
Sent: Monday, May 02, 2011 9:24 PM
To: n...@flhsi.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Strange Issue

Is this all routed or bridged? 
 If routed are there multiple paths back to tower B. 
 Are you doing any Queues that might be limiting bandwidth for the 
customers IP? 
 -Louis

On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 9:16 PM, Nick Olsen n...@flhsi.com wrote:
 Signal is ~-55
Airmax Quality=97%
Airmax Capacity=94%

Ubnt speedtest shows the same results from APSU.
Just a little bit slower then MT bandwidth test over the same link to the 
tower router. 

Nick Olsen
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 From: Sam Tetherow tethe...@shwisp.net
Sent: Monday, May 02, 2011 5:41 PM 
To: n...@flhsi.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Strange Issue 

I know it should be roughly the same, but what does testing the powerbridge 
to the rocket show using ubiquiti's internal speed test, and what does the 
quality and capacity numbers look like while running the bandwidth from the 
customer side to the various towers?

On 5/2/11 4:20 PM, Nick Olsen wrote: Have a strange issue that is 
showing up in a few places. Was wondering what peoples thoughts are on 
this

Here is how things are setup.
Every tower has a Mikrotik router on it. And is OSPF Routed.

Route to the customer is (Tower ATower BTower CTower DCustomer)
Tower A is where we have fiber, And our colo for the purpose of this 
issue.
Tower A and Tower B connect via Licenced Backhaul and will do 200+Mb/s Full 
Duplex.
Tower B and Tower C connect via Licenced Backhaul and will do 200+Mb/s Full 
Duplex.
Tower C and Tower D connect via un-licenced Backhaul and will do about 
80Mb/s.
Customer Connects to Tower D. AP is a 5ghz Rocket with a sector. SU is a 
Power Bridge.

Now, Here is the bandwidth tests. Using the Mikrotik Bandwidth test to get 
these results.
Testing over each Backhaul from each tower will always max out whatever 
backhaul I'm testing.
IE. Tower ATower B will do ~250Mb/s
BC ~250Mb/s
CD ~80Mb/s
Then Testing End to End Tower ATower D ~80Mb/s (Maxes out the weakest 
link, The BH between C and D. This is expected)

Now, The Strange Part.
Testing from the customers Mikrotik Router on site.
Testing from CustomerTower D I get about 45Mb/s Down, And 30Mb/s Up.
Testing from CustomerTower C I get about 45Mb/s Down, And 30Mb/s Up
Testing from CustomerTower B I get about 15Mb/s Down and 30Mb/s up.
Testing End to End Customer to Tower A I get about 15Mb/s Down And 30Mb/s 
Up.

I don't get what is causing the customer location to show such slow speeds. 
I've tested multiple times, And Confirmed tons of free bandwidth on every 
Backhaul in the path. And testing Tower to Tower shows great speeds. We 
have the same problem in a few places. And in each case, We see a drop in 
speed as soon as it hits one of the licenced Backhauls. However, Each one 
of these backhauls regularly carries over 100Mb/s and have been tested to 
over 200Mb/s each time.

Anyone have any ideas?

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Re: [WISPA] Strange Issue

[Nick Olsen]

Yes, And as stated. The bandwidth between the customer and the tower is 
great. Its only when running end to end it has a problem.

Nick Olsen
Network Operations (855) FLSPEED  x106


 From: Sam Tetherow tethe...@shwisp.net
Sent: Monday, May 02, 2011 10:40 PM
To: n...@flhsi.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Strange Issue

Those numbers hold steady while the MT bandwidth test is running?

Nick Olsen wrote:
 Signal is ~-55
 Airmax Quality=97%
 Airmax Capacity=94%

 Ubnt speedtest shows the same results from APSU.
 Just a little bit slower then MT bandwidth test over the same link to 
 the tower router.

 Nick Olsen
 Network Operations
 (855) FLSPEED  x106



 
 *From*: Sam Tetherow tethe...@shwisp.net
 *Sent*: Monday, May 02, 2011 5:41 PM
 *To*: n...@flhsi.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Strange Issue

 I know it should be roughly the same, but what does testing the 
 powerbridge to the rocket show using ubiquiti's internal speed test, 
 and what does the quality and capacity numbers look like while running 
 the bandwidth from the customer side to the various towers?

 On 5/2/11 4:20 PM, Nick Olsen wrote:
 Have a strange issue that is showing up in a few places. Was 
 wondering what peoples thoughts are on this

 Here is how things are setup.
 Every tower has a Mikrotik router on it. And is OSPF Routed.

 Route to the customer is (Tower ATower BTower CTower DCustomer)
 Tower A is where we have fiber, And our colo for the purpose of this 
 issue.
 Tower A and Tower B connect via Licenced Backhaul and will do 
 200+Mb/s Full Duplex.
 Tower B and Tower C connect via Licenced Backhaul and will do 
 200+Mb/s Full Duplex.
 Tower C and Tower D connect via un-licenced Backhaul and will do 
 about 80Mb/s.
 Customer Connects to Tower D. AP is a 5ghz Rocket with a sector. SU 
 is a Power Bridge.

 Now, Here is the bandwidth tests. Using the Mikrotik Bandwidth test 
 to get these results.
 Testing over each Backhaul from each tower will always max out 
 whatever backhaul I'm testing.
 IE. Tower ATower B will do ~250Mb/s
 BC ~250Mb/s
 CD ~80Mb/s
 Then Testing End to End Tower ATower D ~80Mb/s (Maxes out the 
 weakest link, The BH between C and D. This is expected)

 Now, The Strange Part.
 Testing from the customers Mikrotik Router on site.
 Testing from CustomerTower D I get about 45Mb/s Down, And 30Mb/s Up.
 Testing from CustomerTower C I get about 45Mb/s Down, And 30Mb/s Up
 Testing from CustomerTower B I get about 15Mb/s Down and 30Mb/s up.
 Testing End to End Customer to Tower A I get about 15Mb/s Down And 
 30Mb/s Up.

 I don't get what is causing the customer location to show such slow 
 speeds. I've tested multiple times, And Confirmed tons of free 
 bandwidth on every Backhaul in the path. And testing Tower to Tower 
 shows great speeds. We have the same problem in a few places. And in 
 each case, We see a drop in speed as soon as it hits one of the 
 licenced Backhauls. However, Each one of these backhauls regularly 
 carries over 100Mb/s and have been tested to over 200Mb/s each time.

 Anyone have any ideas?

 Nick Olsen
 Network Operations
 (855) FLSPEED  x106




 


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[WISPA] USB over IP

[Nick White]

Anyone have recommendations or experience with USB over IP devices?

I picked up a SIIG device, but am having a hard time getting it to work 
over a routed network. I've even configured an EoIP tunnel between my 
house and remote tower, and bridged the interfaces. I've even adjusted 
MTUs. I can get their software to see the device, but can't 
manage/control it.

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Re: [WISPA] USB over IP

[Nick White]

Hmm. Not sure that would work.

Maybe some more details on what I'm trying to do... trying to access a 
Xantrex power/charge controller (one at each tower), but it uses a 
proprietary Xanbus, which is USB.

Xantrex Software  -  Local USB(Virtual USB)  -  SIIG USBoIP  -  
Xanbus Adapter  -  Xantrex Controller

Trying to consolidate management of all Xantrex devices onto one 
management computer running the Xantrex software.


On 5/3/2011 3:26 PM, Aaron D. Osgood wrote:
 Usb -  Com Port then remote the Com port over ethernet


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 Subject: [WISPA] USB over IP

 Anyone have recommendations or experience with USB over IP devices?

 I picked up a SIIG device, but am having a hard time getting it to work
 over a routed network. I've even configured an EoIP tunnel between my
 house and remote tower, and bridged the interfaces. I've even adjusted
 MTUs. I can get their software to see the device, but can't
 manage/control it.

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[WISPA] Strange Issue

[Nick Olsen]

Have a strange issue that is showing up in a few places. Was wondering what 
peoples thoughts are on this

Here is how things are setup.
Every tower has a Mikrotik router on it. And is OSPF Routed.

Route to the customer is (Tower ATower BTower CTower DCustomer)
Tower A is where we have fiber, And our colo for the purpose of this 
issue.
Tower A and Tower B connect via Licenced Backhaul and will do 200+Mb/s Full 
Duplex.
Tower B and Tower C connect via Licenced Backhaul and will do 200+Mb/s Full 
Duplex.
Tower C and Tower D connect via un-licenced Backhaul and will do about 
80Mb/s.
Customer Connects to Tower D. AP is a 5ghz Rocket with a sector. SU is a 
Power Bridge.

Now, Here is the bandwidth tests. Using the Mikrotik Bandwidth test to get 
these results.
Testing over each Backhaul from each tower will always max out whatever 
backhaul I'm testing.
IE. Tower ATower B will do ~250Mb/s
BC ~250Mb/s
CD ~80Mb/s
Then Testing End to End Tower ATower D ~80Mb/s (Maxes out the weakest 
link, The BH between C and D. This is expected)

Now, The Strange Part.
Testing from the customers Mikrotik Router on site.
Testing from CustomerTower D I get about 45Mb/s Down, And 30Mb/s Up.
Testing from CustomerTower C I get about 45Mb/s Down, And 30Mb/s Up
Testing from CustomerTower B I get about 15Mb/s Down and 30Mb/s up.
Testing End to End Customer to Tower A I get about 15Mb/s Down And 30Mb/s 
Up.

I don't get what is causing the customer location to show such slow speeds. 
I've tested multiple times, And Confirmed tons of free bandwidth on every 
Backhaul in the path. And testing Tower to Tower shows great speeds. We 
have the same problem in a few places. And in each case, We see a drop in 
speed as soon as it hits one of the licenced Backhauls. However, Each one 
of these backhauls regularly carries over 100Mb/s and have been tested to 
over 200Mb/s each time.

Anyone have any ideas?

Nick Olsen
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Re: [WISPA] Strange Issue

[Nick Olsen]

The Licenced Backhauls are Trango Apex 11ghz.
tower C and D connect via a Radwin 5ghz backhaul.

Default bandwidth test settings. so 20 sessions, And thats TCP bandwidth.

Nick Olsen
Network Operations (855) FLSPEED  x106


 From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com
Sent: Monday, May 02, 2011 5:27 PM
To: n...@flhsi.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Strange Issue

  What backhauls? How many sessions on the BW test? TCP or UDP?   Gino A. 
Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143  
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Nick Olsen
Sent: Monday, May 02, 2011 5:20 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Strange IssueHave a strange issue that is showing up 
in a few places. Was wondering what peoples thoughts are on this

Here is how things are setup.
Every tower has a Mikrotik router on it. And is OSPF Routed.

Route to the customer is (Tower ATower BTower CTower DCustomer)
Tower A is where we have fiber, And our colo for the purpose of this 
issue.
Tower A and Tower B connect via Licenced Backhaul and will do 200+Mb/s Full 
Duplex.
Tower B and Tower C connect via Licenced Backhaul and will do 200+Mb/s Full 
Duplex.
Tower C and Tower D connect via un-licenced Backhaul and will do about 
80Mb/s.
Customer Connects to Tower D. AP is a 5ghz Rocket with a sector. SU is a 
Power Bridge.

Now, Here is the bandwidth tests. Using the Mikrotik Bandwidth test to get 
these results.
Testing over each Backhaul from each tower will always max out whatever 
backhaul I'm testing.
IE. Tower ATower B will do ~250Mb/s
BC ~250Mb/s
CD ~80Mb/s
Then Testing End to End Tower ATower D ~80Mb/s (Maxes out the weakest 
link, The BH between C and D. This is expected)

Now, The Strange Part.
Testing from the customers Mikrotik Router on site.
Testing from CustomerTower D I get about 45Mb/s Down, And 30Mb/s Up.
Testing from CustomerTower C I get about 45Mb/s Down, And 30Mb/s Up
Testing from CustomerTower B I get about 15Mb/s Down and 30Mb/s up.
Testing End to End Customer to Tower A I get about 15Mb/s Down And 30Mb/s 
Up.

I don't get what is causing the customer location to show such slow speeds. 
I've tested multiple times, And Confirmed tons of free bandwidth on every 
Backhaul in the path. And testing Tower to Tower shows great speeds. We 
have the same problem in a few places. And in each case, We see a drop in 
speed as soon as it hits one of the licenced Backhauls. However, Each one 
of these backhauls regularly carries over 100Mb/s and have been tested to 
over 200Mb/s each time.

Anyone have any ideas?  Nick Olsen
Network Operations   (855) FLSPEED  x106

   



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Re: [WISPA] Strange Issue

[Nick Olsen]

Signal is ~-55
Airmax Quality=97%
Airmax Capacity=94%

Ubnt speedtest shows the same results from APSU.
Just a little bit slower then MT bandwidth test over the same link to the 
tower router.

Nick Olsen
Network Operations (855) FLSPEED  x106


 From: Sam Tetherow tethe...@shwisp.net
Sent: Monday, May 02, 2011 5:41 PM
To: n...@flhsi.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Strange Issue

I know it should be roughly the same, but what does testing the powerbridge 
to the rocket show using ubiquiti's internal speed test, and what does the 
quality and capacity numbers look like while running the bandwidth from the 
customer side to the various towers?

On 5/2/11 4:20 PM, Nick Olsen wrote: Have a strange issue that is showing 
up in a few places. Was wondering what peoples thoughts are on this

Here is how things are setup.
Every tower has a Mikrotik router on it. And is OSPF Routed.

Route to the customer is (Tower ATower BTower CTower DCustomer)
Tower A is where we have fiber, And our colo for the purpose of this 
issue.
Tower A and Tower B connect via Licenced Backhaul and will do 200+Mb/s Full 
Duplex.
Tower B and Tower C connect via Licenced Backhaul and will do 200+Mb/s Full 
Duplex.
Tower C and Tower D connect via un-licenced Backhaul and will do about 
80Mb/s.
Customer Connects to Tower D. AP is a 5ghz Rocket with a sector. SU is a 
Power Bridge.

Now, Here is the bandwidth tests. Using the Mikrotik Bandwidth test to get 
these results.
Testing over each Backhaul from each tower will always max out whatever 
backhaul I'm testing.
IE. Tower ATower B will do ~250Mb/s
BC ~250Mb/s
CD ~80Mb/s
Then Testing End to End Tower ATower D ~80Mb/s (Maxes out the weakest 
link, The BH between C and D. This is expected)

Now, The Strange Part.
Testing from the customers Mikrotik Router on site.
Testing from CustomerTower D I get about 45Mb/s Down, And 30Mb/s Up.
Testing from CustomerTower C I get about 45Mb/s Down, And 30Mb/s Up
Testing from CustomerTower B I get about 15Mb/s Down and 30Mb/s up.
Testing End to End Customer to Tower A I get about 15Mb/s Down And 30Mb/s 
Up.

I don't get what is causing the customer location to show such slow speeds. 
I've tested multiple times, And Confirmed tons of free bandwidth on every 
Backhaul in the path. And testing Tower to Tower shows great speeds. We 
have the same problem in a few places. And in each case, We see a drop in 
speed as soon as it hits one of the licenced Backhauls. However, Each one 
of these backhauls regularly carries over 100Mb/s and have been tested to 
over 200Mb/s each time.

Anyone have any ideas?

Nick Olsen
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Re: [WISPA] looking for feedback on Exalt - ExploreAir

[Nick Olsen]

I remember hearing that was only on the high freq side.
And that at 11ghz with payload compression they were seeing about 2:1 (so 
like ~500Mb/s@11ghz).
Also heard that the radio will compress, Then compare it to the 
uncompressed packet. And that if it didn't gain anything, It would just 
drop the compressed packet and send the uncompressed packet. I found that 
incredible for a radio that boasts such a high PPS rate.

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Network Operations (855) FLSPEED  x106


 From: Blake Covarrubias bl...@beamspeed.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 11:36 AM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] looking for feedback on Exalt - ExploreAir

On Apr 13, 2011, at 4:15 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

 I remember seeing that there was a vendor other than Exalt that had a 1 
gig real throughput single radio setup.  It was even mentioned in one of 
these Exalt threads.  However, my searching magic simply can't find it.

Trango can apparently achieve 1Gbps over a single system using payload 
compression.

www.trangosys.com/products/point-to-point-wireless-backhaul/elite-licensed-w
ireless.shtml

I have not used the Elite series radios, so I cannot verify claimed 
throughput myself. Although Trango did send me a RFC2544 report of IPv6 
forwarding performance through the Elite radios with payload compression 
on. The tests with 512-1518 frame sizes show between 955Mbps - 984Mbps full 
duplex.

We run the Giga series throughout most of our network (Apex, GigaPlus,  
GigaPro) and are very happy with the products.

--
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Re: [WISPA] Nothing on Ebay

[Nick White]

At least you don't have to pay for shipping!

On 4/1/2011 11:36 AM, Cliff Leboeuf wrote:

I can find anything on Ebay. How about NOTHING?
http://cgi.ebay.com/BUY-NOTHING-/200592911741?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item2eb444ed7d 
http://cgi.ebay.com/BUY-NOTHING-/200592911741?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item2eb444ed7d


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Re: [WISPA] Nothing on Ebay

[Nick White]

Yeah, I invested in Enron too.

On 4/1/2011 12:38 PM, Mark Nash wrote:

I've spend more for less before...

On 4/1/2011 12:32 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:


Local pickup only... in Belgium. Probably well worth the trip though.

*From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
*On Behalf Of *Mark Nash

*Sent:* Friday, April 01, 2011 2:16 PM
*To:* WISPA General List
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Nothing on Ebay

If you did, maybe you could get them to combine shipping if you 
bought more than one...


On 4/1/2011 12:13 PM, Nick White wrote:

At least you don't have to pay for shipping!

On 4/1/2011 11:36 AM, Cliff Leboeuf wrote:

I can find anything on Ebay. How about NOTHING?

http://cgi.ebay.com/BUY-NOTHING-/200592911741?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item2eb444ed7d 
http://cgi.ebay.com/BUY-NOTHING-/200592911741?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item2eb444ed7d


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Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

[Nick]

http://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=TP-NCMS312-18eq=Tp=


On 2/25/2011 5:52 PM, Jason Bailey wrote:
Anyone have a good vendor for a rackmount poe switch for ubnt 
gear?Getting kinda messy with all the zip-ties and double-sided tape 
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Re: [WISPA] MikroTik as Load Balancer?

[Nick Olsen]

I found that load balancing in a NAT environment was much better handled 
with PCC. Might not fit for you, Just something to look at.  /2cents

http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/PCC

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From: Rubens Kuhl rube...@gmail.com
Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2011 9:01 PM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] MikroTik as Load Balancer?

 I was playing around with a spare rb433 doing something similar to what
 you just posted (nth+conn-mark rules) but, things were not working
 properly. I noticed my connections were really really slow, I don't know
 if I did something wrong.

It's very easy to do something wrong in such kind of setup. Look first
to counters using Winbox while generating traffic (both connected and
new connections); if that doesn't show what's wrong, packet captures
are the next resource.

 One other thing, how about fail over? If one line goes out would the
 other 3 work and that other line would be ignored until is back up? How
 can that be done?

A route on RouterOS have a check_gateway attribute, and usually arp or
ping dies when the line dies. You can go further than that by using
scripts like the ones in
http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/ECMP_Failover_Script in order to kill a
line when something dies beyond the last-mile hop.

/ ip route add dst-address=0.0.0.0/0 gateway=Uplink-A scope=255
target-scope=10 routing-mark=Route-Mark-A comment= disabled=no
check_gateway=ping
/ ip route add dst-address=0.0.0.0/0 gateway=Uplink-B scope=255
target-scope=10 routing-mark=Route-Mark-B comment= disabled=no
check_gateway=ping
/ ip route add dst-address=0.0.0.0/0 gateway=Uplink-A scope=255
target-scope=10 comment= disabled=no
check_gateway=ping distance=2
/ ip route add dst-address=0.0.0.0/0 gateway=Uplink-B scope=255
target-scope=10 comment= disabled=no
check_gateway=ping distance=2

Note that when Uplink-A dies, the traffic with Route-Mark-A will match
the last route to Uplink-B because the two routes to Uplink-A will be
disabled by check_gateway (and be brought back when it comes up).

Rubens

 I would also love to prioritize traffic, SYN ACK flags and DNS be on the
 highest priority, etc...

 I know is too much but, would like to do something like that, I don't
 know if all these are doable at the same time.

You first need to move the queues back to Mikrotik, as it usually sees
your ADSL/Cable line as 100 Mbps that won't ever be congested. Shaping
the outbound interfaces to actual ADSL uplink is the starting point,
and it's doable at the same time. The complexity of the ruleset will
increase, so I recommend doing all the load-balancing + fail-over
stuff, and then moving to QoS.



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[WISPA] Mikrotik Bandwidth Test

[Nick]

Anyone have a 25Mbps+ circuit with a Mikrotik on the edge that I could 
run some bandwidth tests to? The most I have access to at the moment is 
10meg with a Mikrotik on it.

I just installed a bonded DSL setup, and want to test the speeds

Thanks
Nick



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[WISPA] Gigabit Router or L3 Switch?

[Nick]

I have a customer that needs a router capable of routing up to 1Gbps of 
traffic - ATT Ethernet handoff. Should only really need 1 WAN port and 
1 LAN port. What's everyone else using? They have shunned the idea of a 
RouterMaxx or PowerRouter. They prefer to stick with Cisco, Adtran, or 
Foundry.

Cisco doesn't seem too cost effective; the only thing I've found that 
will run that much traffic is a 7206 with a G2. Anything newer and we're 
in the $20k-$40k range.

Should I be looking at Layer 3 switches? They shouldn't need any 
firewall or filtering on this device.



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Re: [WISPA] Gigabit Router or L3 Switch?

[Nick]

They need to run up to 1Gbps. ATT is installing a 1Gbps connection. 
Realistically I don't think they'll use that all of the time, probably 
in the 500-750Mbps range. No clue on average packet size.


On 2/2/2011 10:57 AM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote:


How much real throughput do they need?  Any idea of the average packet 
size?


You could use an ImageStream Rebel router for a WHOLE LOT less than 
the Cisco:


http://www.imagestream.com/Rebel.html

Regards,

Jeff
ImageStream Sales Manager
800-813-5123 x106



*From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
*On Behalf Of *Nick

*Sent:* Wednesday, February 02, 2011 12:16 PM
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*Subject:* [WISPA] Gigabit Router or L3 Switch?

I have a customer that needs a router capable of routing up to 1Gbps of
traffic - ATT Ethernet handoff. Should only really need 1 WAN port and
1 LAN port. What's everyone else using? They have shunned the idea of a
RouterMaxx or PowerRouter. They prefer to stick with Cisco, Adtran, or
Foundry.

Cisco doesn't seem too cost effective; the only thing I've found that
will run that much traffic is a 7206 with a G2. Anything newer and we're
in the $20k-$40k range.

Should I be looking at Layer 3 switches? They shouldn't need any
firewall or filtering on this device.



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[WISPA] Sonicwall SSL VPN 200

[Nick Olsen]

We have a client which uses a SSL-VPN 200. Running software version 
2.0.0.3-11sv

Its been working great and we have a whole group of laptops that have no 
issue with it.
We have a new windows 7 machine now in said group. The version of software 
on the device is to old to work with windows 7. So you install the latest 
off the site. But its to old to connect to the older firmware on the 
appliance. (at least thats the theroy).
The client machine verifies the username and password and starts up the 
connection only to instantly fail and disconnect. Saying (The server is not 
reachable.) However, it works with the up to date ssl vpn sonicwall demo 
appliance. So we have confirmed that both the client is alright, And since 
others connect to the current appliance, It doesn't have any issues. So we 
are left with software incompatibility because of version differences.
The client software is 5.0.145
The people at sonicwall have been extremely unhelpful. They refuse to even 
discuss the issue till you have a valid support warranty on the device. 
Which we have no problem paying and getting software updates if that is 
going to fix our issue.
But we don't want to pay the fee, Only for them to tell us, Oh, Your device 
is to old, You need to upgrade it. And at over $150 dollars if it doesn't 
work, Its a complete waste as that's half the cost of a new one.

Any one have any ideas? Sonicwall doesn't seem to have any unless you pay 
them.

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Re: [WISPA] Autoreply: Re: OT: Eqypt Has Been Disconnected from the Internet

[Nick]

Wow. That was stressful.

On 1/28/2011 1:17 PM, David E. Smith wrote:



On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 15:06, cshiv...@aristotle.net 
mailto:cshiv...@aristotle.net wrote:


(using a broken auto-responder)

I've removed this address from this list. Rejoice!

David Smith
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Re: [WISPA] IP Space WHOIS Data Update

[Nick Olsen]

Well, That's assuming that they update the Global WHOIS info for it ASAP. 
Once they update it, It takes about 24 hours (changes are seen in about an 
hour normally).
I know we returned some space back to TW Telecom years ago that is still 
SWIP'd to us. Still trying to get them to undo that...

Nick Olsen
Network Operations
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From: Matt lm7...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 5:04 PM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] IP Space WHOIS Data Update

We have returned some IP space to our upstream few days ago.  How long
does it typically take for them to update the WHOIS data so it no
longer points to us?



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Re: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect

[Nick Olsen]

Blake, This worked perfect. Anything using dst-nat was un-reliable as the 
browser would cache the page, So even since they were past the redirect 
part, The local machine would still load the same page for whatever site 
the person requested originally. However, using web-proxy it redirects the 
request perfectly.

I appreciate all the help I got on this one. Thanks to everyone.

Nick Olsen
Network Operations
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From: Blake Covarrubias bl...@beamspeed.com
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 5:09 PM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect

How about this?

/ip firewall nat
add chain=dstnat in-interface=ether2 protocol=tcp dst-port=80 action=accept 
src-address-list=proxy-bypass
add chain=dstnat in-interface=ether2 protocol=tcp dst-port=80 
action=add-src-to-address-list address-list=proxy-bypass 
address-list-timeout=1d 
add chain=dstnat in-interface=ether2 protocol=tcp dst-port=80 
action=redirect to-ports=8080

/ip proxy
set enabled=yes port=8080

/ip proxy access
add dst-port=80 action=allow dst-host=www.hotel.tld
add dst-port=80 action=deny redirect-to=www.hotel.tld

If you're not using proxy for anything else then it works great. Although, 
it does not allow them to simply reload the page to reach the URL they 
initially intended. The user would have to issue a totally new request to 
see the content they desire.

--
Blake Covarrubias
Network Manager / IT Consultant
Beamspeed, LLC

On Jan 6, 2011, at 1:41 PM, David E. Smith wrote:

 
 
 On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 14:20, Nick Olsen n...@flhsi.com wrote:
 Normally Hotspot works with a I accept button on a page, As thats what 
we have done in the past. I don't mind getting a call when a user has a 
tivo/gamesystem/* that can't login as they can read me the mac and I can 
bypass it.
 The point with this is it goes to a page we don't control, And can't 
really change at all.
 
 Could you do something crazy like put their site in an iframe? Have the 
parent page include their mandatory page, and a bit of JavaScript. That 
JavaScript has their MAC embedded in a link, using the same sort of link as 
the click to accept TOS link, which auto-refreshes after one second (thus 
logging them in as though they'd clicked that link themselves). Then add 
their page (and whatever other things it uses) to the walled-garden.
 
 Yes, this fails if they disable JavaScript, but it's a reasonable price 
to pay.
 
 David Smith
 MVN.net
 
 
 
 


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[WISPA] Hotel Redirect

[Nick Olsen]

We are looking for a way to redirect hotel guests to the hotels home page 
on the first page load.
We are looking for something that does this in mikrotik because thats what 
we have on location already.
The idea is that the user connects up, Hits the internet and is redirected 
to a page. And then, On the next page load without hitting login or 
something they go to the page they requested. We use hotspot for our own 
stuff, And have used hotspot on this before using the trial function but 
this time around we don't control the page that the user is brought to. So 
we couldn't add some form of login button to it.
I've tried this with dst-nat rules and browser caching always gets in the 
way.
What is everyone else doing?

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Re: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect

[Nick Olsen]

That would work for some of them, In this case, The hotel management company 
has a page that the hotel must redirect to. They get fined if it doesn't 
redirect to the companies specific page.
I'm thinking maybe load it in a frame, or something. And have a login button 
above it or something. Was hoping someone had a cleaner way.

Nick Olsen
Network Operations
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From: Cameron Crum cc...@wispmon.com
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 2:04 PM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect

What is the purpose? Is it just advertising for the hotel? If so, why not just 
creat a page that looks like their page. It doesn't have to have all the 
functionality of the real page, just a brochure page or something to say 
thanks for staying with us. Then you could add a button that logs them in 
(really just adds them as a generic user to the hotspot) so they can continue 
on to their regular home page. Just an idea.

Cameron

On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 12:55 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote:



I was doing the same thing but after so many calls about whatever device 
someone was trying to use that wouldn't go through the redirect, I turned it 
off.  The final straw was some IBM people were having a meeting at the hotel 
and were trying to use the wireless access for every big shot wireless device 
one could think of.  Some would go but the ones that had to work in secure mode 
wouldn't allow the redirect.  Bogus.  Turned it off and the calls went away.




From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Nick Olsen
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 1:46 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect






We are looking for a way to redirect hotel guests to the hotels home page on 
the first page load.
We are looking for something that does this in mikrotik because thats what we 
have on location already.
The idea is that the user connects up, Hits the internet and is redirected to a 
page. And then, On the next page load without hitting login or something they 
go to the page they requested. We use hotspot for our own stuff, And have used 
hotspot on this before using the trial function but this time around we don't 
control the page that the user is brought to. So we couldn't add some form of 
login button to it.
I've tried this with dst-nat rules and browser caching always gets in the way.
What is everyone else doing?

Nick Olsen
Network Operations

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Re: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect

[Nick Olsen]

Normally Hotspot works with a I accept button on a page, As thats what we 
have done in the past. I don't mind getting a call when a user has a 
tivo/gamesystem/* that can't login as they can read me the mac and I can bypass 
it.
The point with this is it goes to a page we don't control, And can't really 
change at all.

Nick Olsen
Network Operations
(855) FLSPEED  x106



From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 2:49 PM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect



Possibly a simple screen the desk people can use to see what MAC ID is 
attempting to login and do a manual authorize?

It's in my mind now  That's a relief.  Finally not thinking about where 
baby oil comes from..





From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Robert West
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 2:46 PM
To: n...@flhsi.com; 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect



The problem that I was seeing was that there are many wireless devices now that 
don't have any screen to see a login button.  Game systems being the first on 
my mind.  In hotels, some guests bring their kids game system to keep them from 
running the halls..  How can you get these basically blind systems to punch 
through a page like that?

I never had the time to get the workaround.



From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Nick Olsen
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 2:31 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect


That would work for some of them, In this case, The hotel management company 
has a page that the hotel must redirect to. They get fined if it doesn't 
redirect to the companies specific page.
I'm thinking maybe load it in a frame, or something. And have a login button 
above it or something. Was hoping someone had a cleaner way.

Nick Olsen
Network Operations

(855) FLSPEED  x106









From: Cameron Crum cc...@wispmon.com
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 2:04 PM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect

What is the purpose? Is it just advertising for the hotel? If so, why not just 
creat a page that looks like their page. It doesn't have to have all the 
functionality of the real page, just a brochure page or something to say 
thanks for staying with us. Then you could add a button that logs them in 
(really just adds them as a generic user to the hotspot) so they can continue 
on to their regular home page. Just an idea.

Cameron

On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 12:55 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote:


I was doing the same thing but after so many calls about whatever device 
someone was trying to use that wouldn't go through the redirect, I turned it 
off.  The final straw was some IBM people were having a meeting at the hotel 
and were trying to use the wireless access for every big shot wireless device 
one could think of.  Some would go but the ones that had to work in secure mode 
wouldn't allow the redirect.  Bogus.  Turned it off and the calls went away.




From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Nick Olsen
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 1:46 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect




We are looking for a way to redirect hotel guests to the hotels home page on 
the first page load.
We are looking for something that does this in mikrotik because thats what we 
have on location already.
The idea is that the user connects up, Hits the internet and is redirected to a 
page. And then, On the next page load without hitting login or something they 
go to the page they requested. We use hotspot for our own stuff, And have used 
hotspot on this before using the trial function but this time around we don't 
control the page that the user is brought to. So we couldn't add some form of 
login button to it.
I've tried this with dst-nat rules and browser caching always gets in the way.
What is everyone else doing?

Nick Olsen
Network Operations

(855) FLSPEED  x106

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Re: [WISPA] he.net

[Nick]

It's up for me.


On 1/3/2011 10:24 AM, Ryan Goldberg wrote:
 http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/he.net

 occasionally useful site..

 -Original Message-
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 On Behalf Of Matt
 Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 12:22 PM
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 Subject: [WISPA] he.net

 Anyone else having trouble bringing up www.he.net?


 
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Re: [WISPA] dedicated bandwidth

[Nick]

Exactly. Other bandwidth (residential for example) is best effort. In 
cases where we sell dedicated wireless, it comes with an SLA and is 
typically a PtP shot instead of PtMP. Or if it is PtMP, it's on a 
dedicated AP and is not over-subscribed like a normal AP would be.


Nick


On 12/28/2010 7:19 PM, Blair Davis wrote:

Dedicated bandwidth is Committed Information Rate or CIR

They are hard limited to x.  They get x no matter what.  x of your 
backhaul is dedicated for their use.


On 12/28/2010 10:05 PM, RickG wrote:
Sorry, I'm not being clear. What defines the difference between your 
dedicated and non-dedicated? In other words, why would a customer pay 
more for it?


On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 10:03 PM, Jeremie Chism jchi...@gmail.com 
mailto:jchi...@gmail.com wrote:


My dedicated plan is a capped bandwidth. No limit on usage per
month.

Sent from my iPhone4

On Dec 28, 2010, at 8:58 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com
mailto:rgunder...@gmail.com wrote:


I appreciate all the feedback but my questions was not about
cost, it was about definition. What defines dedicated? Is it a
minimum amount of bandwidth per hour, day, week, month or ?

On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 8:48 PM, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net
mailto:the...@wmwisp.net wrote:

commercial connection.  sell as x amount of bits/sec and
bill accordingly.


On 12/28/2010 2:53 PM, RickG wrote:

I have a customer that I suspect will use the connection
24x7. How does everyone define a dedicated connection?
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Re: [WISPA] Time Warner fiber OHIO price per meg

[Nick Olsen]

$4/meg from cogent is actually a bit high.
I've seen deals for 3/meg on 100mb/s commit, And under 1.8/meg for GigE commit.

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From: Glenn Kelley gl...@hostmedic.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 12:47 PM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Time Warner fiber OHIO price per meg

Correct.


If you can come off a large building out of any of the cities here in Ohio that 
have carrier hotels - you can just backhaul your network right out of the city.
Cogent for example on their website today is offering $4/meg (for gige commit I 
bet)


if TW wants to charge $2100 for 40 Meg ($52.50/meg) you really have to start 
thinking about why not setup some backhauls to give yourself a better rate.


Coming from Columbus for example - and getting even $10/meg or Dayton or Cincy 
for us @ $10/meg allows us to make up the other $42+/- per meg in backhaul 
costs.


Lets say for giggles and grins that Time Warner requires a 4 year contract at a 
rate of $2100 or at a total cost of $100,800
In turn an agreement from a carrier hotel for Blended bandwidth or even let's 
say from Cogent at a cost lets say for 40 Meg of $10/meg = $400/mo or $19.200 
for the same agreement ( 4 years)
You really need to debate what the additional $81,600 could mean to your bottom 
line.


Even setting up multiple links from a carrier hotel - EVEN if it cost you $50K 
for the links would still place $30K +/-  in your bottom line.


I could see where some of us that but up against each other could actually 
build our own Network to assist each other even :-)   but that is a different 
story


Many will argue that Cogent stinks -   Funny but I feel just the opposite.  It 
is a great product for a good price.
AND I find they still kick the heck out of Time Warner - but thats just my 
opinion.





On Dec 22, 2010, at 12:25 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:



Is this not from time Warner? Is it from someone else at 5/Meg

Sent from my iPad

On Dec 22, 2010, at 12:18 PM, Glenn Kelley gl...@hostmedic.com wrote:




Depending on your location - AND if you can backhaul you might think about 
instead grabbing a licensed backhaul and pulling in a different way .


For example -  While Washington Court House is 40+ miles from Columbus I have 
found a way to purchase bandwidth @ $5.00/meg
And yes - even thought he license costs $3K  and the radios $10K  in the end - 
I can push a Gig for much lower than i could ever get from TW
we are exploring this now in fact




On Dec 15, 2010, at 9:07 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:


40 megs for $2100 here

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 8:25 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com wrote:
Really? Guess I shouldn't complain when they sold me the 30/30 for $1600
then, I was trying to get the 50/50 and so far they are only coming down to
about $2300 for it.



From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 7:10 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Time Warner fiber OHIO price per meg

They seem to have an across the board 800 bucks or so for 10/10 and 1600 for
20/20Negotiable but not much.  All the statics you need included.

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 6:01 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: [WISPA] Time Warner fiber OHIO price per meg

Whats everyone paying price per meg for Time Warner dedicated internet
access here in Ohio?

-Kurt Fankhauser


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