[WISPA] Warehouse wireless
Gentlemen, I've been tasked with putting up access points in a warehouse that is approximately 40,000 sq ft. We already have a warehouse that is covered using Cisco AP's (deployed before I was part of the company) with 5dbi Omnis. The coverage or reliability in this location isn't very good, I believe the cause of this is partially interference, partly placement and configuration. This system is currently operational, just not optimal. I'll deal with these issues when time permits, the new facility is my concern and I would like to deploy this correctly. Both of these wireless systems are in place for portable Symbol Handheld scanners for inventory management and integration into our ERP application, reliability and connectivity is obviously more important than throughput. I would like to find out what would be suggested in this deployment, comments welcome. I don't think Cisco AP's are needed, I think a MT (or other platform) would be sufficient. Comments? WDS configuration, for roaming of handhelds I would like to get some suggestions on antenna types for this environment, I'm not quite sure how to estimate the number of AP's that will be needed, assuming the facility is rectangular with the above square foot area. Anyone with experience with this type of deployment? Thanks Zack Kneisley Information Systems Manager Encore Industries, Inc. (740) 432-1652 x120 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Liberty, WV
Can anyone provide access in this area? Hit me off-list for more info. ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Rackmount Mikrotik
if your looking for high-end outdoor, check out http://www.cablefree.co.uk/products_radio.htm 72MB... On 10/3/07, Don Annas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone found a good solid state rack-mount system for running Mikrotik? In several areas, we are bottlenecked by the 532 boards and was looking for something that would actually handle 100MB of throughput as well as a good amount of queues and VLANs. Any pointers in the right direction are appreciated. Thanks. ___ Don Annas Triad Telecom, Inc. 336.510.3800 x111 336.510.3801 FAX [EMAIL PROTECTED] HYPERLINK http://www.TriadTelecom.comwww.TriadTelecom.com HYPERLINK https://msm.triadtelecom.com/NDDChat/Default.asp?url=http://www.triadteleco m.com/ndd/dannasCLICK to chat with me now! ___ triadtel-login No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.39/1045 - Release Date: 10/2/2007 6:43 PM -- This message was scanned and is believed to be clean. ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Anyone doing remote backup for customers?
Not Open-source, but we are currently using Nova-Web (www.novastor.com). I'ts not cheap, but it does provide everything you could want including open file and MSSQL backup without having to shut down your databases. Zack On 9/20/07, rabbtux rabbtux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been looking at an open source application called backuppc and considering offering remote backup service to some customers. I appreciate the wisdom and experience of the group here. Any suggestions on how best to offer this service? Any software suggestions for this? I would like to have the backup on my servers. any turn-key solution suggestions? Thank you kindly, Marshall ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks
If anyone has access to any of old the Ricochet AP's?? Once upon a time, an over eager e-bayer up too late at night, bought on a lot of 200 of these puppies thinking they were something entirely different (may have had something to do with the Sam Adams as well). Most of them are still in the shrink wrap. I would like to experiment with an AP and a few of the modems I have lying around. I would be happy to trade a few CPE's for an AP or 2! If you have one that needs a home let me know. Thanks Zack On 9/17/07, Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How do you estimate usage in a roaming, mesh network? If you don't have capacity, people say it's too slow and cancel service. You basically have to have full coverage in your entire market areas, don't you? Travis Microserv John Thomas wrote: Metricom-Richochet way overbuilt their network in some places and thus lost a lot of money. If they had a better business plan, they probably would have made it. John Rick Harnish wrote: Did they fail because of the immature technology or a failed business plan? Would the more mature technology available today have made an impact on Metricom-Ricochets ultimate success or failure? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ralph Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 4:49 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks Yes they have. Metricom-Ricochet. They failed. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Allen Marsalis Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 12:54 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks I take it that nobody has ever built a 900MHz NLOS mesh network before. Which is not a good sign to me. That's a sign that my idea probably won't work. Allen ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT: Cell Phone Repeaters.
Couldn't you charge a monthly maintenance fee to someone for monitoring the units uptime? On 9/6/07, Ty Carter Lightwave Communications [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Blake.. That is what I was dancing round in my post... there are homegrown yagi from ~$400 but that will not fly on the legal front... Please be aware there are legal implications for unauthorized repeating or broadcasting of a cell providers frequency. And to address Ryans question; NO, you can not. 1. You are not authorized to proxy on behalf of 2. You don't own the freq. 3. You don't have the subscriber Shall I go on... Ty Carter -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Blake Bowers Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 11:23 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Cc: Jack Daniel Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Cell Phone Repeaters. Be prepared... In order to do it legally, there are some hoops to jump through. [EMAIL PROTECTED] is an excellent source for the particulars on the technical AND legal side of this. - Original Message - From: Scottie Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 1:15 AM Subject: [WISPA] OT: Cell Phone Repeaters. Have any of you guys installed cell phone repeaters for places before? I have a boat dock that needs Verizon cell phone service repeated but have no clue to really go about doing it. We have spoke to Wilson Antenna and they say we need at least a -80dB or so on our handheld cell phone to be able to repeat it. Just wondering if anyone else has done this before and what kind of results they have had? TIA. Dial-Up Internet service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $9.99/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com for information. ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA
Re: [WISPA] Looking for cheap RAS
I assume you mean a 3Com Total Control, Cisco 5300, or Ascend. My personal favorite is the 3Com as I have worked with these units for over 10 years and they are reliable. check ebay.. most of the time the shipping cost more than the unit. On 9/9/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone have a good source or do it yourselfa Tnx Bob Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] In support of legal operation
John, List.. anyone else really. I was trying not to get into a discussion at a 12 year old level. I merely support anyone who feels that they want to change something, through a structured method. Although I agree on this particular issue, making a statement look at our code of ethics does not accomplish that Ralph requested. Is there no structure in WISPA? Is there no means to petition an organization that supposedly represents all wisps to entertain the mans request? Is there no sturcture in WISPA that is aimed towards ratifying or creating a documents. I think what it comes down to is a few simple questions. Does a member of WISPA have the right to request such a public stance? Does WISPA have a means of debation these requests? Is there even a process in place that could lead to a document such as Ralph requested? If WISPA is not open to have a democratic way to represent the individual wisps, then this whole debate has no merit. If an individual that comes to the table with an idea, getys shutout by one person What type of organization is WISPA. I've thought of joining WISPA on several occasions, but I have yet to see it as an organization for WISPS, after all, given this thread, it doesn't seem that there is not any self governing process to ask for anything. Unless I'm seriously missing something, there are no processes in place that allow a member or non member to bring a topic to the table, and for it to be considered as an action that WISPA should take. To myself, WISPA looks like an organization controlled by a handful of individuals, not by the WISPS it is supposed to, in its own Code of Ethecs Attempt to represent. WISPA's Goals see:http://www.wispa.org/?page_id=6 6. Political lobbying group – Unified voice for the WISP industry How can this be acheived when the discussion turns to name calling and comparing the thoughts of others to 12 year olds. ** WISPA, at least make an official statement to Ralph. Either, stating that WISPA, (not John), believes that WISPA' ethics statement achieves the same goals as Ralphs request, or, that WISPA is just plain rejecting the idea - with an explanation why.. ** Now, can you understand why their are people that would passionately get behind WISPA, if only an adult discussion, debate, and decision be made. Where is the leadership that makes these calls.. who makes these decisions? I'm sorry for obvious grammatical mistakes and typos, 4:00 AM comes fast. Zack ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] In support of legal operation
Please expand upon this statement... Because you agree that WISPA supports only certified systems through a ethics statement, does not conclude that WISPA as a professional organization supports the use of only certified systems. I do not see how this statement makes any sense. The logic loses me about the does not conclude part. John Ok, I'll be happy to. I'm sorry if the logic in my statement is confusing. - 1.Because you agree that WISPA supports only certified systems through ethics statement, ***You have stated that WISPA, through its code of ethics, somehow assumes the stance that it does not condone the use of non-ceritified systems.. correct? 2.does not conclude that WISPA as a professional organization supports the use of only certified systems. ***This does not mean that WISPA take the same position. - I appoligize if I confused you. Is this the official opinion of WISPA? are you making this statement on behalf of WISPA? I don't think you are. Is it WISPA's official public position that non-certified systems are not condoned because you have a code of ethics? Are you representing WISPA with your statement? John, this is not your statement to make.. Honestly, your opinion doesn't matter to me. What matters to me is WISPA's public opinion, not yours. Zack ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] In support of legal operation
Ralph As only a list member, wireless operator and entrepreneur, I support and encorage your request. WISPA, should publicly support issues, especially those that are law. This specific position should not be something that requires debate. I hope this request will open a dialog of democratic, representative, self-governing action of WISPA in general. WISPA taking a public position would make paid membership more attractive to myself, and many others I associate with. Zack Kneisley On 9/1/07, Ralph [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I appreciate what several WISPA folks are doing to try to get more latitude in equipment/antenna matching, and as a full Principal WISPA member, I would like to ask the WISPA board to publish a position paper on legal operation and guidelines for WISPs to use in order to meet the current rules. It needs to be done now. Actually showing we are paying more than lip service to the current regulations and officially Supporting legal operation may go a long way towards building better credibility with the FCC AS well as with the rest of the wireless industry. Is WISPA up to the challege of setting the precedent. Ralph Brightlan.net North Georgia Broadband Without The Wires ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Re: [WISP] Ohio Flooding
good to hear, Cambridge Ohio missed the brunt of the squals.. Zack On 8/24/07, Bo Hamilton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey everyone all is well here in ohio. I got 4 1/2 feet of water in the basement but other than that all is ok with me. 2 blocks away houses were swept down the river with water reaching up to 12 feet. All is ok and thanks Marlon, Joel, Stewart for the concern. Bo On 8/23/07, Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anything anyone one can do to help? Is there equipment/manpower that you need? laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Kurt Fankhauser [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 5:55 PM Subject: RE: [WISP] Ohio Flooding I havn't seen Bo around town any, his basement might be flooded, everyone else's is. We got 9 inches of rain in 4 hours and all kinds of problems. I got a tower sitting in water with no power. Running on generators and batteries. Another tower at a grain facility fried their electrical system with no plans to fix it, I went their yesterday morning to see why the internet wasn't working and the 3 phase power was underwater and smoking the whole place up. Towers are running right now but customers got flooded basements with POE's underwater and lightning damage, just started to get those calls this afternoon. Roads flooded can't get anywhere in any amount of time, traffic is horrible and gawking people stopping on the road or trying to run into you. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stuart Pierce Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 1:00 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WISP] Ohio Flooding Bo Hamilton, Got your scuba gear on !! How's the wireless doing in the flooding ? Sent via the WebMail system at avolve.net *** Register your services in our FREE WISP Locator http://www.part-15.org/maps/WISPSearch.asp *** The PART-15.ORG WISP Discussion List To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type subscribe wisp yournickname To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type unsubscribe wisp) Archives: http://archives.part-15.org *** Register your services in our FREE WISP Locator http://www.part-15.org/maps/WISPSearch.asp *** The PART-15.ORG WISP Discussion List To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type subscribe wisp yournickname To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type unsubscribe wisp) Archives: http://archives.part-15.org Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available til August 31 ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available til August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php **
[WISPA] Google Likely to Bring Big Bucks to FCC Auction
http://www.technewsworld.com/story/58981.html Although Google didn't get everything it wanted regarding rules for the Federal Communications Commission's Latest News about Federal Communications Commission upcoming auction of 700 MHz (megahertz) wireless spectrum, it will likely participate in the auction anyway, Google CEO Eric Schmidt said Tuesday. Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available til August 31 ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Verizon Bandwidth
Are you looking for Verizon ISP Wholesale Advanced Data Services? As in you want to wholesale DSL? If so, I can help.. you need an account rep first. On 8/7/07, Jory Privett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone have a sales contact for Verizon besides the standard business markets group? They should have an ISP team I could contact or someone that specializes in IP Bandwidth. Jory Privett WCCS WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth
It all really depends on the geographic location of the source. Rural areas are more costly than Metro, the infrastructure is already there. It sounds to me that the provider has the facility and bandwidth, I would just compare quotes similar to that area. some people can get 10Mbit for $1000.00 a month over Ethernet, others pay $2000 for 6Mbit over Traditional T1's. On 8/6/07, Jory Privett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am looking to upgrade one of my PoPs with some more bandwidth. I have pricing from a reputable provider to deliver a 10M wireless link with a SLA. They support BGP, have plenty of bandwidth to supply, and will supply all the equipment for the link on a two year ontract. I am wondering what other people might be paying for a service like this? Jory Privett WCCS WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 2003 Server/Slipstream/SP2/Product Key -Please help
I have plenty of ISA ones -- nowadays your lucky to find a standard PCI slot. This server board only has 1 PCI slot. I'm not pulling this thing off the rack-put in a PCI card just to find out that windows doesn't have a driver for it... I can see it now... the server would end up somewhere other than the data center Zack On 8/6/07, David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Zack Kneisley wrote: [ snip: a Microsoft horror story ] Do they even MAKE add-on (PCI) floppy controllers anymore? Sounds like that may be your only viable solution. I thought the Win2003 installer could read from a USB flash stick, though it's been a while (and the last time I needed add-on drivers, I was working on a machine so old it still had an onboard floppy controller). Really, the only thing I have to add is good luck. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 2003 Server/Slipstream/SP2/Product Key -Please help
On 8/6/07, Jeromie Reeves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds like your using SATA. If so, disable the AHCI in the bios, it will drop the chipset into compatibility mode. worse case you might need to drop a small PATA drive (or flash) in and use it to boot from first. Good suggestion, Trying that method, in AHCI mode, every driver I use shows the raid array that shows 2 separate dives, I then installed the OS on a single drive (tried with and without the second drive of the array), Installs go smooth, Accepts the Product Key, every time, on final reboot says that the widows installation is corrupt, and my only choice is use recovery console, (fixmbr etc) fixes and nothing worked. I am going to work a bit to check out the media-see if a bit of CD type codes will work. If not, I'll have to find a backup copy of the Newsgroups that is R2, then change the keys back after its installed. Thanks all, Zack WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Google: Wireless Internet - What to Sell?
I don't feel a need to defend my statements, but because I believe that this particular incidence could provide a service for others, I will explain my opinion as best as possible. I don't believe my opinion is right or wrong, it is just that, an opinion. Your opinion has as much use as my own, to challenge one to decide on their own, which they agree with, if any. I did not believe or feel that Robert was breaking any rules on this list, I feel he was contributing. I see nothing wrong wiht his post. I did not see his post as a commercial advertisement, nor as selling or self promotion. I have seen this list bicker back and forth about what is and what isn't more than once, and the precedence I have seen among this list doesn't include his particular post as being self promotion. I think his post was fine and could provide a beneficial service. I further think that if you felt his post was breaking a rule, or was pressing the limits as to what is commercial advertising, your concern should have been addressed off-list. If you didn't believe that this was the case, then why publicly and repeatedly express that what he was doing was something wrong. If the majority of the WISPA board thinks he is soliciting, ban him from posting and take the discussion off-list, properly explain how you or the board feels. If he is not soliciting, then don't publicly bash the fact that you pay money to someone and he doesn't. I think my argument is very simple. Zack On 8/3/07, John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Replies below: Zack Kneisley wrote: Scriv, I can see where you are coming from, but is this not an open list? You bet it is open. Thanks to people who pay the dues and donate their time to keep it that way. I think that denying a person advice based on their business structure is a bit rude. I'm not sure how this would come across to Robert, but I know how it would come across to me. What did I deny this guy? I consider it rude to use open list resources as a place to build market data on our industry without throwing a little money in the kitty. I pay my dues, year in and year out, I donate my time. So if people want to use this list to develop a new business model that includes making money from the WISPs who are on here then all I am saying is that it is rude to not throw some money our way and show you support our industry. How is what this guy is doing with his number one placement Google ad bot any different than someone trying to sell you or me a better access point or something? We would not allow that without being a vendor here. I guess the real issue I have about your argument here is that this list is open and I should be allowed to explain why I think he should pay a vendor dues payment just as freely as you are to say I am rude. I am not telling Robert he cannot do what he is doing. I just think it would be better for him to formalize his relationship with WISPA if he is intending to use our resources to market to our membership here. That is what we ask of any other vendor. Scriv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ohio State-wide broadband network
I have lived in Ohio all my life and I believe I know of most of all of the longhaul fiber that exists between cities. I'm sure there are some networks I don't know about, but there has been a lot of money poured into a few unlicensed wireless links that I have been involved with for a particular governmant agency. This agency, if any, would have access to any governmant fiber and said there wasn't any available. If anyone would like to disprove me, please do, It would open up a lot more possibilities. Zack On 8/2/07, Felix A. Lopez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mike - My other comments are that local governments have un-used fiber capacity and therefore seeking ways of generating revenue. Such is the case with quasi goverment fiber too. For example, I believe NOAA-NET seeking to promote space and sell fiber services to other providers. (at least that is what I heard two years ago in the Pacific Northwest??) Felix San Francisco Area --- Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I doubt its anything more than PR. Internet connectivity sold by the state of Illinois is ungodly expensive. This is not much (if any) different than Illinois's network www.illinois.net - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Justin S. Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 7:54 AM Subject: [WISPA] Ohio State-wide broadband network http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/08/01/2214205from=rss In order to coordinate and expand access to the state's broadband data network, Ohio Governor Ted Strickland has signed an executive order establishing the Ohio Broadband Council and the Broadband Ohio Network. The order directs the Ohio Broadband Council to coordinate efforts to extend access to the Broadband Ohio Network to every county in Ohio. The order allows public and private entities to tap into the Broadband Ohio Network - all with a goal of expanding access to high-speed internet service in parts of the state that presently don't have such service. --- Justin S. Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Technology Services - WISP Consulting - Tower Services WEB: http://www.mtin.net WEB: http://www.metrospan.net WEB: http://www.findfastinternet.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. http://travel.yahoo.com/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Google: Wireless Internet - What to Sell?
Robert I would be willing to pay a bounty, Top rank on the Google search results is impressive. I'm sure that many other independent WISP's would be happy to pay a bounty as long as it generated customers and was a fair price. Personally (no offense Marlon or Jeromie) I would even be willing to pay a lot more for a referral, even in the 3 digits, as long as it was a fair payout for a contract customer. Customer acquisition and retention is one of the most important aspects of the game. I think it even might be possible to get residual income as long as it's fair. I don't mind handing out money, as long we both make money. Zack On 8/3/07, Robert Kim Wireless Internet Advisor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marlon, Jerome, so are we talking $5-10 per customer or $5-10 per month commission payout as long as the customer pays? On 8/2/07, Jeromie Reeves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I to would be interested in such a referral program. Spot checking is a great idea and could worked right into the referral form by asking them to update them on the status with a email in 60 ~90 days. My referrals and relay hosts shake out to the same price, $5 per user or customer signup. A few of the referrals come out to $10 (free service as right now i have spare bw), both are credits on the next bill. On 8/2/07, Robert Kim Wireless Internet Advisor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marlon, guys, is there an industry standard referral commission? anyone out there service europe? I'd be happy to send you biz since the majority of visitors that come to our site need FIXED not mobile internet On 8/2/07, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about selling me customers? I'll provide a coverage map and when someone in there contacts you, you forward the info to us. We'll try to sell the account, when we do, we owe you money. Say $10 or $20. You get to own that referral for 6 to 12 months. We may not be able to get to them today, but can with the next expansion. You'd have to at least spot check the ones we say we can't do to make sure we're not sending in false reports etc. but with today's long distance rates that shouldn't be hard to do. just a thought. Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Robert Kim Wireless Internet Advisor [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wispa wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 10:03 AM Subject: [WISPA] Google: Wireless Internet - What to Sell? Team, Marlon, et al, Need your help to get to next level. We are finally #1 in google under wireless internet. we get LOTS of traffic to our main site daily looking for wireless internet service. BUT we only sell EVDO. ugh. AND we only get a one time bounty. any recommendations on what else and HOW else we can deliver goods/services/subscriptions to our traffic base??? blank slate. -- Robert Q Kim, Wireless Internet Provider http://evdo-coverage.com/satellite-wireless-internet.html http://iptv-coverage.com http://wimax-coverage.com 2611 S. Pacific Coast Highway 101 Suite 203 Cardiff by the Sea, CA 92007 206 984 0880 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Robert Q Kim, Wireless Internet Provider http://evdo-coverage.com/satellite-wireless-internet.html http://iptv-coverage.com http://wimax-coverage.com 2611 S. Pacific Coast Highway 101 Suite 203 Cardiff by the Sea, CA 92007 206 984 0880 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Ohio State-wide broadband network
I am familiar with this network. Trying to expand, and making it available are still the 2 things that have not happened. Also, in my neck of the woods, it is still 40 miles to the nearest POP. The terrain that is between myself and that pop would take multiple wireless hops. I once did a wireless study to that general area and it would take between 4-6 hops using 300ft towers. Zack On 8/3/07, Dave Hannum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Zack, The Ohio Super Computer Center has OSCNet - a network of fiber optic cable around the state. They are trying to expand this program to put a fiber drop in each county that will be available to both public and private last milers. This thing has an enormous capacity - all but a hand full of the state colleges and universities operate of this thing, and I believe they said only about 1/16th of it's capacity is being utilized at this time. http://www.osc.edu/oscnet/ A fellow by the name of Kim Peters in Morgan county is very familiar with this project. [EMAIL PROTECTED] You might talk to him and see how this is coming along. Dave Hannum On 8/3/07, Zack Kneisley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have lived in Ohio all my life and I believe I know of most of all of the longhaul fiber that exists between cities. I'm sure there are some networks I don't know about, but there has been a lot of money poured into a few unlicensed wireless links that I have been involved with for a particular governmant agency. This agency, if any, would have access to any governmant fiber and said there wasn't any available. If anyone would like to disprove me, please do, It would open up a lot more possibilities. Zack On 8/2/07, Felix A. Lopez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mike - My other comments are that local governments have un-used fiber capacity and therefore seeking ways of generating revenue. Such is the case with quasi goverment fiber too. For example, I believe NOAA-NET seeking to promote space and sell fiber services to other providers. (at least that is what I heard two years ago in the Pacific Northwest??) Felix San Francisco Area --- Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I doubt its anything more than PR. Internet connectivity sold by the state of Illinois is ungodly expensive. This is not much (if any) different than Illinois's network www.illinois.net - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Justin S. Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 7:54 AM Subject: [WISPA] Ohio State-wide broadband network http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/08/01/2214205from=rss In order to coordinate and expand access to the state's broadband data network, Ohio Governor Ted Strickland has signed an executive order establishing the Ohio Broadband Council and the Broadband Ohio Network. The order directs the Ohio Broadband Council to coordinate efforts to extend access to the Broadband Ohio Network to every county in Ohio. The order allows public and private entities to tap into the Broadband Ohio Network - all with a goal of expanding access to high-speed internet service in parts of the state that presently don't have such service. --- Justin S. Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Technology Services - WISP Consulting - Tower Services WEB: http://www.mtin.net WEB: http://www.metrospan.net WEB: http://www.findfastinternet.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. http://travel.yahoo.com/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http
Re: [WISPA] Google: Wireless Internet - What to Sell?
Scriv, I can see where you are coming from, but is this not an open list? I think that denying a person advice based on their business structure is a bit rude. I'm not sure how this would come across to Robert, but I know how it would come across to me. Business research is done everyday by doing exactly what Robert is doing, asking questions. Yes, I have a chip on my shoulder to the fact their company is making money off of bringing customers to Verizon, but he would do that if he came here for advice or not. I see this as an opportunity to relate what the services the WISPS on this list provide to someone that only has the experience with Verizon. I see this as an opportunity to possibly bring a customer or 2 to me, nothing more. I am willing to pay for a customer. I't called acquisition costs. Weather its in the cost to keep a customer happy so you get the word out that you have good service or a couple greebacks, the outcome is the same, I want a customer that generates revenue. Sure network condition, price, population density, and market have just as much to do with it, but are only small parts of a larger plan. I have many times thought It would be nice to have a small display in radio shack like all the cell providers do. Well, Isn't quite the case but it can, potentially, be a source of potential customers that costs me nothing up front, nothing to setup, and could provide me with a customer. The details are just important. Residual, bounty, lead, whatever the case may be, I'm sure that we could come to terms with an arrangement that bennifits myself, Robert, and my newly acquired customer. If its residual, they could be paid a % if and only if the customer pays their bill. No risk there. If it's bounty, then I would pay after a set # of months of a current account, if it were for a lead, then I would have to say let it be web based and let the server app to take care of the lead customer potential payout, still if only they become a paying customer. These are just what I can think of off the top of my head. I would put it up to Robert to figure out and draft the plan. If I like it ok... If not, no harm done to me. This is why I don't feel he should be bashed and ask for a vendor membership, if they were to want to do something through WISPA, as involving WISPA in the process, sure maybe then WISPA does deserve a fair share, but at this point, I don't see how that would be fair, as the only thing Robert is using of WISPA is the forum, which is open to anyone, right. When he decides it's worth his money to invest in a $500.00 a month ad through WISPA because it makes sense to his company, then can he ask questions? BTW, RObert, I would be happy to talk to you about setting up a WISP referal system, not just for me, but for any wisp out there, I would be happy to help with the technical side of things and the actual lead, bounty, referal structure, all worked into 1 seamless system that would benefit all WISPS that would like to be involved.free, free for my help and to involve any WISP- free. sorry, no grammar or spell check. Zack Kneisley CTO/Chief Network Engineer Giga-Data LLC Office: 740.432.3130 Cell:740.255.6253 - http://www.firewireinternet.com Your one stop shop for Blazing Broadband Internet DSL, Wireless, Dialup, Webhosting, Network Specialists. On 8/3/07, John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I guess his business research that we are all helping him to acquire is not worth anything? I guess I see WISPA as being worth more than some here do. I have personally spent $1250.00 in WISPA direct dues payments (for yearly Principal Membership dues and $1000 for 700 MHz Committee dues) in the last year alone. I also donate hundreds of hours a year to maintaining these lists along with Rick Harnish. I DO THIS FOR FREE FOLKS. The guy asking for business research from all of you pays us nothing and is looking to profit from you. I like to think what I share here has value. Excuse me for thinking others who gain from this group effort should pay their fair share. I take offense to others profiting from us without throwing some money into the pot. If any of you make use of WISPA resources and think you get value from this effort then please feel free to join us by going to http://signup.wispa.org. I am paying my dues. Are you? Scriv Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: I don't think it's bad to use us as a sounding board. If he comes back and tries to sell something here that's bad. I see no problem with asking people about products and services they'd like though. That's what this list is here for. As for prequal, I'm not worried about that. Even bad leads help to tell me where to go next. I'd only pay for customers actually connected though. Not the leads themselves. Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
Re: [WISPA] Ohio State-wide broadband network
That WOULD be awesome Thanks for the reference. Zack On 8/3/07, Dave Hannum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, like I said, they intend to put a POP in each county. Dave On 8/3/07, Zack Kneisley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am familiar with this network. Trying to expand, and making it available are still the 2 things that have not happened. Also, in my neck of the woods, it is still 40 miles to the nearest POP. The terrain that is between myself and that pop would take multiple wireless hops. I once did a wireless study to that general area and it would take between 4-6 hops using 300ft towers. Zack On 8/3/07, Dave Hannum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Zack, The Ohio Super Computer Center has OSCNet - a network of fiber optic cable around the state. They are trying to expand this program to put a fiber drop in each county that will be available to both public and private last milers. This thing has an enormous capacity - all but a hand full of the state colleges and universities operate of this thing, and I believe they said only about 1/16th of it's capacity is being utilized at this time. http://www.osc.edu/oscnet/ A fellow by the name of Kim Peters in Morgan county is very familiar with this project. [EMAIL PROTECTED] You might talk to him and see how this is coming along. Dave Hannum On 8/3/07, Zack Kneisley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have lived in Ohio all my life and I believe I know of most of all of the longhaul fiber that exists between cities. I'm sure there are some networks I don't know about, but there has been a lot of money poured into a few unlicensed wireless links that I have been involved with for a particular governmant agency. This agency, if any, would have access to any governmant fiber and said there wasn't any available. If anyone would like to disprove me, please do, It would open up a lot more possibilities. Zack On 8/2/07, Felix A. Lopez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mike - My other comments are that local governments have un-used fiber capacity and therefore seeking ways of generating revenue. Such is the case with quasi goverment fiber too. For example, I believe NOAA-NET seeking to promote space and sell fiber services to other providers. (at least that is what I heard two years ago in the Pacific Northwest??) Felix San Francisco Area --- Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I doubt its anything more than PR. Internet connectivity sold by the state of Illinois is ungodly expensive. This is not much (if any) different than Illinois's network www.illinois.net - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Justin S. Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 7:54 AM Subject: [WISPA] Ohio State-wide broadband network http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/08/01/2214205from=rss In order to coordinate and expand access to the state's broadband data network, Ohio Governor Ted Strickland has signed an executive order establishing the Ohio Broadband Council and the Broadband Ohio Network. The order directs the Ohio Broadband Council to coordinate efforts to extend access to the Broadband Ohio Network to every county in Ohio. The order allows public and private entities to tap into the Broadband Ohio Network - all with a goal of expanding access to high-speed internet service in parts of the state that presently don't have such service. --- Justin S. Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Technology Services - WISP Consulting - Tower Services WEB: http://www.mtin.net WEB: http://www.metrospan.net WEB: http://www.findfastinternet.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Ohio State-wide broadband network
This is Ohio after all. On 8/2/07, Frank Muto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 9. I signed this Executive Order on July 26, 2007 in Columbus, Ohio and it will expire on my last day as Governor of Ohio unless rescinded before then. So what happens after that? Do you potentially build a business service on an executive order rather than legislative law? Frank Muto FSM Marketing Group, Inc. www.SecureEmailPlus.com - Original Message - From: Justin S. Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 8:54 AM Subject: [WISPA] Ohio State-wide broadband network http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/08/01/2214205from=rss In order to coordinate and expand access to the state's broadband data network, Ohio Governor Ted Strickland has signed an executive order establishing the Ohio Broadband Council and the Broadband Ohio Network. The order directs the Ohio Broadband Council to coordinate efforts to extend access to the Broadband Ohio Network to every county in Ohio. The order allows public and private entities to tap into the Broadband Ohio Network - all with a goal of expanding access to high-speed internet service in parts of the state that presently don't have such service. --- Justin S. Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Technology Services - WISP Consulting - Tower Services WEB: http://www.mtin.net WEB: http://www.metrospan.net WEB: http://www.findfastinternet.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Marina Cams
http://www.ipvisionsoftware.com/ the link you posted doesn't work without the www. ;-) Zack On 7/25/07, Peter R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Smith, Rick wrote: Anyone done cameras at a marina where they've sold access to the slip owners ? How do ya handle multiple people wanting to see the same camera ? Would you like to see your advertisement here? Let the WISPA Board know your feelings about allowing advertisements on the free WISPA lists. The current Board is taking this under consideration at this time. We want to know your thoughts. Network DVR allows multiple access. Lots of camera manufacturers out there. Works well - at least for the one client that is doing it. Look at ipvisionsoftware.com -- Regards, Peter Radizeski RAD-INFO, Inc. - NSP Strategist We Help ISPs Connect Communicate 813.963.5884 http://www.marketingIDEAguy.com Would you like to see your advertisement here? Let the WISPA Board know your feelings about allowing advertisements on the free WISPA lists. The current Board is taking this under consideration at this time. We want to know your thoughts. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Would you like to see your advertisement here? Let the WISPA Board know your feelings about allowing advertisements on the free WISPA lists. The current Board is taking this under consideration at this time. We want to know your thoughts. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FBI Proposes Building Network of U.S. Informants
Thanks for the popups Matt.. lol Heres a better link http://www.websitetoolbox.com/tool/post/whosarat/vpost?id=552867 On 7/25/07, Matt Larsen - Lists [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snitch.net ??? Matt Larsen Vistabeam.com Jack Unger wrote: http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2007/07/fbi-proposes-bu.html Would you like to see your advertisement here? Let the WISPA Board know your feelings about allowing advertisements on the free WISPA lists. The current Board is taking this under consideration at this time. We want to know your thoughts. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] PowerStation 2
Has anyone worked with these Powerstations? doesn't look like anything strange or unfamiliar, except that it has every feature I can ever remember wanting. www.ubnt.com Any comments good or bad? Zack Would you like to see your advertisement here? Let the WISPA Board know your feelings about allowing advertisements on the free WISPA lists. The current Board is taking this under consideration at this time. We want to know your thoughts. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RB 133c
http://www.hyperlinktechnologies.com/ Do I need to get a spoon?? Happy Friday everyone. On 7/20/07, Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I looked on the blog, but didn't see how big they would be. I need to make sure I have big enough enclosures. Anyone have any ideas on enclosures. Brian Dennis Burgess wrote: No, visit http://www.mikrotikconsulting.com and hit the blog, there is a link there with information on them. On 7/20/07, Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would 600 and 1000 mean mhz? Where would a guy find specs for these new boards? Brian Dennis Burgess wrote: There are RB 600s, and 1000s coming out. the 600s with the daughterboard looks the most promising I still have no ETA on any of them though. On 7/20/07, Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ya, but it's an extra $280 per link, times 10. It's that $2800 I don't have now. Blair Davis wrote: Brian, Use the RB 532 or 532A. Little more expensive, but I get 20 Mbit/sec + thru them in a PtMP setup on 5.8GHz with sr5 or xr5 cards. Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Hey Guys, I am trying to build some super cheap backhauls. How much traffic could I pass with the 133 and a couple of sr5, and would I want a level 3 or 4 lic? Thanks, Brian Would you like to see your advertisement here? Let the WISPA Board know your feelings about allowing advertisements on the free WISPA lists. The current Board is taking this under consideration at this time. We want to know your thoughts. Would you like to see your advertisement here? Let the WISPA Board know your feelings about allowing advertisements on the free WISPA lists. The current Board is taking this under consideration at this time. We want to know your thoughts. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Would you like to see your advertisement here? Let the WISPA Board know your feelings about allowing advertisements on the free WISPA lists. The current Board is taking this under consideration at this time. We want to know your thoughts. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Would you like to see your advertisement here? Let the WISPA Board know your feelings about allowing advertisements on the free WISPA lists. The current Board is taking this under consideration at this time. We want to know your thoughts. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Would you like to see your advertisement here? Let the WISPA Board know your feelings about allowing advertisements on the free WISPA lists. The current Board is taking this under consideration at this time. We want to know your thoughts. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trango VOIP
Heres all the info you should need.. http://www.astlinux.org/index.php http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/index.php?page=AstLinux%20Users%20Guide%20Chapter%201http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/index.php?page=AstLinux%2520Users%2520Guide%2520Chapter%25201 On 7/5/07, Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's your fault. :-p - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 6:17 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango VOIP unless you aren't using Asterix :-) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 10:41 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango VOIP IAX2 trunking is your savior. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Doug Ratcliffe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 9:39 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Trango VOIP But in the same sense, its not as cut and dry as oversubscription. If it were, then a 5Mbps/5Mbps ratio could give me 103 calls/Mbit (IAX2/G729) but in reality, that's 100k PPS per 100 calls, making it unworkable. But at the same token, if I decide 15 concurrent calls @ G711 per AP is a usable number with bandwidth left over, I can manage oversubscription there. Ultimately, it's the PPS that kills it. But can systems like Mikrotik for QOS adequately pack the packets over the wireless so that instead of transmitting 100 300byte packets, to transmit 20 1500byte packets? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 10:06 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango VOIP I have plenty of VOIP customers behind my Trango network. I'm also getting excellent results using Targeted Technologies proprietary 8K stream VOIP even over my 900Mhz Trango. Trango has plenty of processing power and pps performance to do VOIP. The relevent question is, is the oversubscription rate you plan to use on your network within the capabilty of delivering VOIP? There are many challenges in delivering quality VOIP over ANY PtMP network design. Although prioirtization helps, its not the one save all feature. In PtMP end users must compete for upload time of the AP, even smart polling systems do not 100% solve this issue in an oversubscribed network, although helps significantly. Backend prioiritization is not enough for upload direction, if it gets choked at the AP before it reaches the prioritization. If you are going to do VOIP, you must be more conservative on your oversubscription rate, and you will be fine. On the download side it is not a problem as traffic will reach the bandwdith management/prioiritization before it reaches the AP. With that said, Trango had been working on a VOIP prioritized firmware last year for the 5580, I do not know if it was released or not. The second issue is whether you are designing your Trango network with enough RF margin. Never never use a bare 5580 radio, its pointless. The Behive antennas are now shipping for the Trango 5580 also!! They work great, and bring the signal up to between 15-18 db antenna gain, depending on the case. They are great. Lastly, the newest Trango Firmwares added some support to help with out of order packets with its ARQ algorithym. This seemed to help quite a bit to optimize the VOIP performance when using ARQ. We only run Trango with ARQ. To valuable to turn off. (With the exception of for 5830s). The other decission you'll need to make is whetehr the over all design of your network is good enough to be a VOIP provider. You will have to be the judge of that. Voice services are demanding, from an uptime SLA point of view. To handle this, we are adding more point to point links, more licensed links, getting rid of backbone bottle necks, etc. But Trango can handle VOIP just fine, as far as capabilty of a radio. The VOIP engineering is up to you, on the router behind and in front of them. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Doug Ratcliffe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 2:23 PM Subject: [WISPA] Trango VOIP Just a quick question to the list, is Trango 5800 series still a viable option for providing data VOIP (IAX2) to customers? I know a few ISPs out there who use it for that, but there's virtually no data at all on the Trango site regarding it. I tried Canopy Adv. a few months back but was unhappy with the overall range quality (2.5 miles LOS w/ a reflector, and 8 port
Re: [WISPA] muni business models working?
interesting read, thanks On 7/3/07, Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.telecommagazine.com/newsglobe/article.asp?HH_ID=AR_3265 marlon -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] ISP's Required to Block Sites
Yes, Jack Please keep this thread updated with your progress and more details if you contact these individuals. Zack On 6/13/07, John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you get more details please share them here. I will join in writing a letter. Having the government telling us to turn off this site or that site is a dangerous precedent to allow. It is similar to having them decide what books get to reach the shelves. That was never allowed and this should not be either. Scriv Jack Unger wrote: I agree 100% with the author of this article. Requiring ISPs to block sites that they suspect of advertising or selling illegal pharmaceuticals is the wrong way to go about dealing with marketing abuse. Once ISPs are required to block sites based either on suspicion or on government order, we will have lost more of our ever-shrinking freedom than we will ever gain in security. I'm going to get more information about this bill and then write Senator Dianne Feinstein (D.-Calif.) and Senator Jeff Sessions (R-Ala.) to make them aware of my concern and ask them to drop the ISP-requirement provisions. jack Matt wrote: http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2007/05/17/senate-pushes-web-pharmacy-regulations or http://tinyurl.com/2cl7cs Personally I think its great they are finally doing something about online pharmacies but requiring ISP's to block sites is ridiculous. What will be next. It should be completely illegal to use or actively participate in the use of email or telemarketing for the marketing of prescription drugs directly to consumers. Credit card processing companies should be held liable as well. Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] How can this be?
I wondering that myself.. thought I might have missed a post somewhere. On 6/7/07, Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marlon, Please explain how the information on this website contradicts either of those 2 thoughts. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: http://www.internettrafficreport.com/ I thought America was running behind the rest of the world in broadband! And I thought most of Asia was wired with ftth and the latest in wireless technologies! What gives? Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Re: [WISPA FCC] FCC 3650 band response today..
Amen.. me rejoicing On 6/7/07, Patrick Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would hope any WISP worth serious about its being a business (versus a hobby) should be at least roughly familiar with the issue and the fact that a decision was being re-evaluated. At my read, it looks like ALL listen-before-talk type BWA products will be certifiable under the rule for use in all 50 MHz. But -- and yee haw for this -- no license is provided WITHOUT the operator entering the FCC equipment authorization number for the intended product. This means this band will be largely free from illegal systems -- if a vendor wants to play in the space, they have to do the minimal work required to make themselves legal to do so. All should rejoice at this. Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Doug Ratcliffe Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 1:09 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Re: [WISPA FCC] FCC 3650 band response today.. I just hope systems like Mikrotik w/ Ubiquiti SR3s/ XR3s(eventually) can be made certified under 3650. That will keep the equipment low priced AND able to use the whole band. And in CSMA disable mode, only the lower half of the band. I think that in major cities 3650 coordination may become an eventual issue if the major carriers jump on this (like cell, Clearwire, etc). But most rural and small WISPs will never even hear about this band for a long time, keeping it open for those who know a lot longer. Less likely will it be that those WISPs will even know what to file, seeing as they probably didn't even file a 477 or CALEA form. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 3:57 PM To: WISPA General List; FCC Discussion Subject: RE: [WISPA] Re: [WISPA FCC] FCC 3650 band response today.. Very interesting clarifications that will be immediately beneficial to WISPs and others looking to deploy in the band. The big wild card and open question in my view is the cooperation requirement. The Commission extensively uses the language about being required to cooperate, but does not fully define what that means and to what extent or any consequences of not doing so. Does it mean the existing operator MUST re-work an existing channel plan to accommodate every new entry? This is one of many open and important questions. And these questions only become more acute in the lower 25 MHz restricted portion. That rule clearly allows any TDD product that can sync with any other like operator, i.e. Canopy, .16e WiMAX, and any number of other TDD products. But the rule still requires these distinct entities to cooperate on some level even though there is no way for them to cooperate via gear short of channel isolation, which is not mandated. So that part of the rule will be an enforcement AND legal mess over time. All that said, I am glad to see it finally out and happy that the FCC put some effort into the clarification. Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 12:21 PM To: wireless@wispa.org; FCC Discussion Subject: [WISPA] Re: [WISPA FCC] FCC 3650 band response today.. Only FCC Commissioner Jonathan Adelstein added comments to the 3650 band Memorandum Opinion and Order published today. He said: ___ *A little over two years ago, I was very pleased to support the Commission's innovative decision to make the spectrum in the 3650-3700 MHz (3650 MHz) band available on a licensed, but non-exclusive, basis. In many respects, this was a bold statement. We wanted to take advantage of the success of the WiFi movement and take it to another level. We wanted to find the right balance between a licensing model for traditional, area-wide mobile systems and a model for unlicensed, consumer-based services. Our licensing regime for the 3650 MHz band will serve as a wireless highway between small towns and the big city - it will facilitate the delivery of broadband to all corners of the country by serving a different user group, one that often is driven by more localized, community based needs. Since our initial decision, I have talked often about the public interest benefits of the new licensing rules for the 3650 MHz band. I have spoken with many supporters of our decision, and with those who believe the band would be better used on an exclusive basis. But I remain convinced the hybrid licensing approach that we first adopted for the 3650 MHz band is the correct one, and I enthusiastically support our reconsideration order today. During my time at the Commission, I have pushed for flexible licensing approaches
Re: [WISPA] zip codes covered
43725.. Zack Kneisley CTO/Chief Network Engineer Giga-Data LLC Office: 740.432.3130 Cell:740.255.6253 - http://www.firewireinternet.com Your one stop shop for Blazing Broadband Internet DSL, Wireless, Dialup, Webhosting, Network Specialists. On 6/7/07, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, I'm working on a couple of projects and I'm having trouble finding the size of the *potential* market covered by the wisp industry. This info will not specifically go out to anyone else. Nothing will tie your name/company to your zip codes. I'm just after the zip codes that you hit today. PLEASE send me an OFF-LIST email with the zips. I'll put them all in one doc and will then have someone run them through a program that will give us population numbers for each zip. If you guys think it's reasonable I can then release those results (you'll know more about your zip code demographics) or keep them private. Either way is fine with me. I need this data for three things. One is regulatory/legislative clout. Everyone wants to know how many people are affected by wisps. Two is disaster relief. I need to know what zip codes are covered so that we can find operators near disasters easier. Third is a national roaming/wholesale program I'm working on (think cell phone like abilities with broadband!). Thanks much! Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] zip codes covered
onlist.. offlist, you can look up my address either way :-) On 6/7/07, Zack Kneisley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 43725.. Zack Kneisley CTO/Chief Network Engineer Giga-Data LLC Office: 740.432.3130 Cell:740.255.6253 - http://www.firewireinternet.com Your one stop shop for Blazing Broadband Internet DSL, Wireless, Dialup, Webhosting, Network Specialists. On 6/7/07, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, I'm working on a couple of projects and I'm having trouble finding the size of the *potential* market covered by the wisp industry. This info will not specifically go out to anyone else. Nothing will tie your name/company to your zip codes. I'm just after the zip codes that you hit today. PLEASE send me an OFF-LIST email with the zips. I'll put them all in one doc and will then have someone run them through a program that will give us population numbers for each zip. If you guys think it's reasonable I can then release those results (you'll know more about your zip code demographics) or keep them private. Either way is fine with me. I need this data for three things. One is regulatory/legislative clout. Everyone wants to know how many people are affected by wisps. Two is disaster relief. I need to know what zip codes are covered so that we can find operators near disasters easier. Third is a national roaming/wholesale program I'm working on (think cell phone like abilities with broadband!). Thanks much! Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo not functioning properly
Just my opinion, I've beat down tranzeo enough in the past to cover a year or so, but Tranzeos are not built for durability or longevity. Our company has experienced a 25% or more failure rate on their entire line of products. Stu might tell you different though ;-) Zack On 6/6/07, Ryan Langseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What firmware are you running, there was a bug where it would not pass traffic that was fixed in 3.0.4 of the firmware. We had some issues with the 58 FDD links, one was dropping connection intermittently during the day, narrowing the channel down to 5mhz made it work alot better. I was pretty sure this problem is with the distance of the link, when we purchased the FDD link the saleperson told us it would be able to go 10-13 miles. Turns out tranzeo recommends a link distance of 5 miles. Ryan On Wed, 2007-05-30 at 16:47 -0400, RC wrote: Anybody have issues with Tranzeo 5.8 APs? We have had about 5 die out of 40. They don't die completely, but don't pass all traffic. The wireless side seems to function good, but the Ethernet side is having problems. Anybody having similar issues? -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] International Interest in WISPA member.
Not Found The requested URL /albania.html was not found on this server. On 6/6/07, David Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Roadstar was visited by a group of folks from Armenia wanting to learn how we did our thing here with licensed and unlicensed frequencies. Story and photos at www.roadstarinternet.com/albania.html if you are interested. Dave David T. Hughes Director, Corporate Communications Roadstar Internet 604 South King Street -Suite 200 Leesburg, VA 20175 -HOME OF INET LOUDOUN- Office - (703) 234-9969 Direct - (703) 953-1645 Cell -(703) 587-3282 Corporate Offices - (703) 554-6621 Fax - (703) 258-0003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] AIM: dhughes248 - Video conference capable -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo not functioning properly
Ohio can be a bit difficult, one day snow, the next in the 80's On 6/6/07, Mark Nash [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Over the past year we've installed about 100 of their CPQ-19s and I've sent 3 back. Could it be your climate? We have very mild temperatures for the most part...neither really hot or really cold. Mark Nash UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: Zack Kneisley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 10:23 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo not functioning properly Just my opinion, I've beat down tranzeo enough in the past to cover a year or so, but Tranzeos are not built for durability or longevity. Our company has experienced a 25% or more failure rate on their entire line of products. Stu might tell you different though ;-) Zack On 6/6/07, Ryan Langseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What firmware are you running, there was a bug where it would not pass traffic that was fixed in 3.0.4 of the firmware. We had some issues with the 58 FDD links, one was dropping connection intermittently during the day, narrowing the channel down to 5mhz made it work alot better. I was pretty sure this problem is with the distance of the link, when we purchased the FDD link the saleperson told us it would be able to go 10-13 miles. Turns out tranzeo recommends a link distance of 5 miles. Ryan On Wed, 2007-05-30 at 16:47 -0400, RC wrote: Anybody have issues with Tranzeo 5.8 APs? We have had about 5 die out of 40. They don't die completely, but don't pass all traffic. The wireless side seems to function good, but the Ethernet side is having problems. Anybody having similar issues? -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] John Edwards on 700
It's actuating interesting for a candidate to have any knowledge of this otherwise grassroots perspective on the spectrum use. To make these claims as he has, either himself or his staff must have similar views or knowledge. Could this perspective possibly benefit the medium size ISP/WISP or will it amount to a pipe dream because of potential financial resources that could be needed to get access to this spectrum? Does it look like a potential perspective we should collectively stand behind, or just political talk that could benefit the monopolies? Politics no matter what personal view takes or gives to, affects or industry and businesses consequently and beneficially, therefore should be a important topic for a collective consensus among us if we would like to steer our future rather than just follow those who do govern the decisions that we are bound to. Any opinions of this? Zack On 6/4/07, Peter R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John Edwards may be the first White House contender to offer up an opinion on the upcoming 700 MHz auction scheduled for later this year at the Federal Communications Commission, and he appears to stand behind the notion of more bidding opportunities for smaller players. In a letter yesterday to Chairman Kevin Martin, the candidate wrote, The upcoming 700 MHz spectrum auction presents a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to shape the next generation of American technology. In recent years, the Internet has grown to touch everything and transform much of what it touches. It's not the answer to everything, but it can powerfully accelerate the best of America. It improves our democracy by making quiet voices loud, improves our economy by making small markets big, and improves opportunity by making unlikely dreams possible. Calling the spectrum slice beachfront, Edwards said the 700 MHz band is particularly well suited to wireless broadband because it has wide coverage and can easily pass through walls. As such, by setting bid and service rules that unleash the potential of smaller new entrants, you can transform information opportunity for people across America -- rural and urban, wealthy and not, he added. As much as half of the spectrum should be set aside for wholesalers who can lease access to smaller start-ups, which has the potential to improve service to rural and underserved areas. Additionally, anyone winning rights to this valuable public resource should be required not to discriminate among data and services and to allow any device to be attached to their service. Finally, bidding should be anonymous to avoid collusion and retaliatory bids. Edwards did not address the contentious issue of a nationwide broadband network set-aside for first responders, but it's interesting that this rather arcane topic - spectrum auctions - may become a plank in a Republican or Democratic platform next year. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] H.R. 2054 Universal Service Reform Act of 2007
Since USF has been brought up, I would like to have the opinion of some of the WISPA members that have more intimate knowledge of the Telco industry than myself on the following H.R Bill 2054 and what if any impact it will have. http://www.benton.org/index.php?q=node/5674 http://www.benton.org/benton_files/bill.pdf snip Summary On April 26, 2007 Rick Boucher (D-VA) and Lee Terry (R-NE) introduced the Universal Service Reform Act of 2007 to improve the Universal Service Fund (USF) and ensure its continued viability by broadening the base of contributions into the Fund, controlling distributions from the Fund, and assisting with the rollout of high speed broadband access. Section 2: Defines a communications service provider as any entity that: (1) currently pays into or receives funds from the universal service fund (e.g., long distance providers and local exchange service); (2) uses telephone numbers or IP addresses, or their functional successors or equivalents, to offer real-time, two-way voice communications in which the voice component is the primary function (e.g., cable telephony and VoIP providers) or (3) offers a network connection to the public (e.g., DSL, cable modem, WiMax and broadband over powerline providers). Defines high speed broadband service as a two-way network that uses Internet protocol or a successor protocol to enable end users to receive communications, including voice, data, video or any other form, in Internet protocol format at a download receiving rate of one megabit per second or greater. The FCC is directed to review the one megabit per second speed requirement every other year beginning the sixth year after the date of enactment and to make adjustments to move to higher speeds as deployment and advancement of new technology allows communications service providers to provide higher broadband speeds to end users in an economically efficient manner. /snip Zack On 5/31/07, Sam Tetherow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't deny any of that, but I'd be pretty pissed as a telco customer if they are allowed to pull out of those areas. A very large amount of money has been funneled through the USF program so that voice lines are available in the hinterlands. How many millions of USF dollars has Verizon pulled out of their Northern New England customers? I would be very willing to bet that it is significantly more than they have spent on maintaining the copper to those customers. Yes the rural areas a losing money which is why the USF existed in the first place, someone decided that all telco customers should fund voice to every home regardless of its economic viability. Right or wrong, that was the deal they signed on for, they have taken the money for this long but now when they are having to make sizable reinvestment they are trying to weasel their way out of it. However, the real point of my reply on the email was that some customers are still more economically served via copper rather than wireless. Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] H.R. 2054 Universal Service Reform Act of 2007
Opinions of the totally uninformed and no knowledge of the industry is welcome as well. I think we already read several of those a day anyway ;-) lol Z On 6/1/07, Sam Tetherow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't have an intimate knowledge of the telco industry so I guess you are not asking my opinion, but hey that has never stopped me before. Personally, I don't want to have anything to do with USF funds either charging for them or receiving them. Once in that bed it is pretty hard to get back out. And this is coming from someone who operates in an area where I would be receiving a lot more than I would be contributing. Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless Zack Kneisley wrote: Since USF has been brought up, I would like to have the opinion of some of the WISPA members that have more intimate knowledge of the Telco industry than myself on the following H.R Bill 2054 and what if any impact it will have. http://www.benton.org/index.php?q=node/5674 http://www.benton.org/benton_files/bill.pdf snip Summary On April 26, 2007 Rick Boucher (D-VA) and Lee Terry (R-NE) introduced the Universal Service Reform Act of 2007 to improve the Universal Service Fund (USF) and ensure its continued viability by broadening the base of contributions into the Fund, controlling distributions from the Fund, and assisting with the rollout of high speed broadband access. Section 2: Defines a communications service provider as any entity that: (1) currently pays into or receives funds from the universal service fund (e.g., long distance providers and local exchange service); (2) uses telephone numbers or IP addresses, or their functional successors or equivalents, to offer real-time, two-way voice communications in which the voice component is the primary function (e.g., cable telephony and VoIP providers) or (3) offers a network connection to the public (e.g., DSL, cable modem, WiMax and broadband over powerline providers). Defines high speed broadband service as a two-way network that uses Internet protocol or a successor protocol to enable end users to receive communications, including voice, data, video or any other form, in Internet protocol format at a download receiving rate of one megabit per second or greater. The FCC is directed to review the one megabit per second speed requirement every other year beginning the sixth year after the date of enactment and to make adjustments to move to higher speeds as deployment and advancement of new technology allows communications service providers to provide higher broadband speeds to end users in an economically efficient manner. /snip Zack -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Copper landlines gone by 2013
Yes, copper is very popular, local churches getting their building scathed for it's copper. Prices are pretty high, it has gone up steadily since Jan. I can see that fiber could be cheaper in manufacture and in raw material. Z On 6/1/07, Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, fiber and copper have been about the same cost to deploy lately because the bulk of the cost is in the labor. It makes sense that fiber is more attractive now because of copper pricing. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: chris cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 9:40 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Copper landlines gone by 2013 I was at a meeting yesterday that had several large carriers present. One of the carriers made the comment that they are migrating away from copper for new deployments. He said that FTTH is now cheaper than copper due to increased material costs. c -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 10:40 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Copper landlines gone by 2013 Thats Funny. Like A inplace copper plant is more costly to maintain than a new Fiber network? Not likely. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 8:34 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Copper landlines gone by 2013 Sam, My guess is these areas will be sold off to the smaller regional companies with less overhead or they will muscle the states into footing the bill. As someone once said No one wants to be in office when the copper networks go dark. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Sam Tetherow wrote: I don't deny any of that, but I'd be pretty pissed as a telco customer if they are allowed to pull out of those areas. A very large amount of money has been funneled through the USF program so that voice lines are available in the hinterlands. How many millions of USF dollars has Verizon pulled out of their Northern New England customers? I would be very willing to bet that it is significantly more than they have spent on maintaining the copper to those customers. Yes the rural areas a losing money which is why the USF existed in the first place, someone decided that all telco customers should fund voice to every home regardless of its economic viability. Right or wrong, that was the deal they signed on for, they have taken the money for this long but now when they are having to make sizable reinvestment they are trying to weasel their way out of it. However, the real point of my reply on the email was that some customers are still more economically served via copper rather than wireless. Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.4/825 - Release Date: 5/30/2007 3:03 PM -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RE: QuickMounts
Here is a link to several Roof mounts and prices from Tessco
http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dgszq7vm_18c559xq
Z
On 5/31/07, Edward J. Hatfield III [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
RE the attached Word document, we've installed dozens of these, and even
more variations on the basic themes. They're reasonably priced, simple to
assemble and install, and rugged. For small antenna applications,
converting
a non-penetrating mount into a ballasted mount is as simple as bolting
them
to a sheet of pressure-treated plywood, setting the whole assembly upon a
rubber mat and adding a few cinder blocks.
Contact my good friend, Dana Lemmerman, as shown below and happing
mounting!
{:-)
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-Original Message-
From: Cliff Leboeuf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 9:07 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: RE: [WISPA] QuickMounts
What about using one of these...
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=4252323
Fred Sanford could probably find one of these from his neighbor :)
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Behalf Of Bob Moldashel
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JohnnyO wrote:
Anyone ever use these ?
http://www.towerstructures.com/catalog/rooftop_products/qwikmounts.html
JohnnyO
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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Visio Icons
Netzoom doesn't have them, http://www.altimatech.com/home/home.asp?alpha=M they would make them if you used (or know someone) their software. Z On 5/30/07, Justin Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone seen any VISIO icons for Mikrotik? I am working on some network diagrams for various people and would like to have some mikrotik icons if possible. Thanks, Justin -- List your WISP on www.findawisp.com. --- Justin S. Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] MTIN.NET WISP Consulting - Tower Services WEB: http://www.mtin.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Wavesat Announces Availability of World's First 5.8 GHz WiMAX Mini-PCI Design
I suppose this may be a dumb question, but now that it looks like WiMAX will be within reach? maybe? What does this give the WISP? More power? better throughput? Different modulation? I haven't followed WiMAX closely enough. Zack On 5/30/07, Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.marketwire.com/mw/release_html_b1?release_id=259237 Mini-PCI Design for the Unlicensed 5.8 GHz Band Opens the Way for Fast Deployment of WiMAX Solutions Worldwide DORVAL, QUEBEC -- (MARKET WIRE) -- May 30, 2007 -- Wavesat (www.wavesat.com), a leading designer of WiMAX 802.16d-2004 .16e-2005 solutions announced today the immediate availability of its 5.8 GHz Mini-PCI reference design. Wavesat's 5.8 GHz Mini-PCI design is optimized to allow equipment manufacturers worldwide to rapidly bring WiMAX equipment to market. snip -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Wavesat Announces Availability of World's First 5.8 GHz WiMAX Mini-PCI Design
Theory - Relativity or Quantum Physics? :-) On 5/30/07, Sam Tetherow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In theory it gives you more distance and better throughput per Hz. But how it will handle the interference is the unknown at this point. Everything is a trade off. Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless Zack Kneisley wrote: I suppose this may be a dumb question, but now that it looks like WiMAX will be within reach? maybe? What does this give the WISP? More power? better throughput? Different modulation? I haven't followed WiMAX closely enough. Zack On 5/30/07, Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.marketwire.com/mw/release_html_b1?release_id=259237 Mini-PCI Design for the Unlicensed 5.8 GHz Band Opens the Way for Fast Deployment of WiMAX Solutions Worldwide DORVAL, QUEBEC -- (MARKET WIRE) -- May 30, 2007 -- Wavesat (www.wavesat.com), a leading designer of WiMAX 802.16d-2004 .16e-2005 solutions announced today the immediate availability of its 5.8 GHz Mini-PCI reference design. Wavesat's 5.8 GHz Mini-PCI design is optimized to allow equipment manufacturers worldwide to rapidly bring WiMAX equipment to market. snip -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Joost and your network.
I do agree with this thinking, I have envisioned tiered pricing like this, the problem mainly arises when you get customers that don't want options, they want an all inclusive unlimited service that the telcos cablecos offer (until you read their TOS. I have seen pricing for services before though. Can someone provide links to some service based pricing? Zack It might be wise to start thinking about selling connectivity by service - email only, website only, heavy user, etc. Start packaging with built-in expectations. Regards, Peter @ RAD-INFO, Inc. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Joost and your network.
Talk about a biased view, (while we wait for Telcos or companies like Google to build out the next-generation networks) get real. make sure you're not on an ISP that treats you like dirty rotten thieving scum Yeah, well we all have those users, If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and sounds like a duck.. But what about those who (like me) pay more for 'unlimited' broadband access? There shouldn't be a problem, right? Wrong. Thats why you can pay for an account with a CIR of 1.5Mbit at $400-$500 a month or a 4Mbit account thats best effort for $40-$50 a month. Z On 5/29/07, Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All, Here is an interesting blog post you all might want to read. http://www.last100.com/2007/05/28/will-isps-spoil-the-online-video-party/ Regards, Dawn DiPietro -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Promotion of services on-list
Mike does have a point here, I am a subscriber of the list, and I have pondered this as well, I have seen direct promotion and links in plenty of signatures, I don't think the link to their site is bad, you can determine the site of most posters by their address, some you can't because they use a gmail address like mine to keep my own desktop free of the amount of mail that passes through this list daily, plus I like the by-thread organization it presents. I don't feel that ANY promotion of products or services in a signature of this particular list should be allowed unless you pay for it. I do however think that a link to the mailers website would not offend the paying vendors, just not direct marketing of their products in their signature or in their posts. This would allow a list subscriber to contact another subscriber of the list without having to mail them back to their *maybe* list only address. Just my 2 cents. I'm not a paying vendor either, I just think that that makes sense. Zack On 5/17/07, Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow, tough crowd. Do I have to remove my company's name and link from my sig? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Frank Muto [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 9:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email That was not the point and now you changed your signature to promote your products, nice. The point is that you are promoting your services, nothing wrong about it really, but pay for it. If you do not see any value in paying for the privilege to participate as a vendor sponsor of WISPA, then stop acting like one. Talking about products, pro-cons, best use, warranties etc., is all well and good. But to directly solicit business on this WISPA list-srv with a competitive product, is not an acceptable practice in my opinion. Apology not accepted. Frank Muto President FSM Marketing Group, Inc Postini Partner Reseller www.SecureEmailPlus.com ISPCON Spring 2007 May 23-25 in Orlando, FL. LaunchPad Pavilion J - Original Message - From: W.D.McKinney [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 9:37 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email Hi Frank, I was not saying anything for or against you, Postini or Barracuda. If you you took offense at my statements, my apologies. Cheers, -Dee Alaska Wireless Systems 1(907)240-2183 Cell 1(907)349-2226 Fax 1(907)349-4308 Office www.akwireless.net Barracuda Networks Diamond Reseller Imagestream Router WAN Cards Force10 Networks Reseller - Original Message - From: Frank Muto [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wed, 16 May 2007 16:55:33 -0800 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email As a PAYING supporting vendor of WISPA and co-sponsor for ISPCON, I take offense to this direct marketing of a competitive service. Last I looked on the WISPA website, neither Barracuda or Alaska Wireless Systems had a logo displayed, unless you are a paid associate vendor. Frank Muto President FSM Marketing Group, Inc Postini Partner Reseller www.SecureEmailPlus.com ISPCON Spring 2007 May 23-25 in Orlando, FL. LaunchPad Pavilion J - Original Message - From: W.D.McKinney [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Folks, As a Diamond Reseller for Barracuda Networks, we take the pain out of dealing with issues the best we can for our customers. The issue of selling a used Barracuda is like a lot of hardware vendors. It varies on which entity you are dealing with as to the answer you will get. We move customers off Postini regularly due to issues they have them, so it depends what side of the coin you are looking at. (Only the experienced walk with a limp) We also take the pain of ownership out for folks and filter e-mail for WISP's as they frequently need a lower cost solution. Cheers, -Dee Alaska Wireless Systems 1(907)240-2183 Cell 1(907)349-2226 Fax 1(907)349-4308 Office www.akwireless.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] Malware monitor Device
I have seen a demo of this product and think it might work the way you are talking.. http://www.trusteli.com/business/isp.php Zack On 5/15/07, Gino Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there any device on the market that would monitor that would sit between my network and my internet feed and do this: 1-monitor customer traffic 2-identify problematic traffic(malware,storms, ect) 3- Redirect those customers to a Cleanup portal Or can it be developed with the current open source tools? (nagios,Ntop,snort)? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Promotion of services on-list
Point well taken, I think I was trying to make the point that if Dee looked as if he was blatantly advertising the product by putting that service in their signature, then that *should* apply to everyone, don't you agree? I don't have a problem one way or another, I just want the rules to apply to everyone equally. I don't mind being able to advertise in my signature either. Zack Giga-Data, LLC The company that sells everything, consultant of all services, cheaper than anyone. Phone: (740)432-3130 (see what I mean) :-) On 5/17/07, Butch Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 17 May 2007, Zack Kneisley wrote: I don't feel that ANY promotion of products or services in a signature of this particular list should be allowed unless you pay Not sure I'd go that far. I think email sigs are acceptable, regardless of the content or poster. I can tell you that I have a single signature file that I use and if it were not allowed on this (or some other) list, the I would just go to the trouble to not post on that list. There is value to the list members in the input of various people, regardless of their status with WISPA. However, I think the problem (in the case of what started this) was a little different. Personally, I think anything should be allowed in an email sig. I think answering questions is (and should be) allowed, even if the answer promotes a product you sell. I am a vendor member of WISPA and I sell consulting services as well as technical training for the Mikrotik RouterOS. I have been on this list since it's creation. I have been a vendor member for only a month or two. I have posted MANY answers to questions on this list, some of which were borderline advertisements. I have, also, paid for actual advertisements. If you look back through the archives, you'll see that my posts (most of them) have not been self promoting, however, I have gained MUCH value from having participated in this, and many other, lists. I think the problem that started this thread (and the original one) should have been handled offlist. I DO think, however, that blatant advertising, which WAS happening, should be kept to a minimum. I'm just glad I'm not the one who has to decide what is and is not appropriate. -- Butch Evans Network Engineering and Security Consulting 573-276-2879 http://www.butchevans.com/ My calendar: http://tinyurl.com/y24ad6 Training Partners: http://tinyurl.com/smfkf Mikrotik Certified Consultant http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Promotion of services on-list
Jack, Actually, that is exactly what I do, you will notice the gmail address? I have a total of seven gmail addresses that I use. Some reply with a signature, some don't. I also use Outlook that has 4 pop accounts that it checks. Two accounts it checks send the same signature one that doesn't and another that sends an entirely different signature. This is why my signature, or lack thereof, is not present when I reply to this list. I don't self promote, because the rules say I shouldn't. This method is actually the most efficient, most organized, and the easiest way to sort, search, respond and recall messages that I have ever had in place in the past 18 years of using the internet. Gopher was alot simpler back then hu? lol I don't really have a preference of a sig or no sig or the use of more than One email file. I just would like clarification of what can or cannot be done accordance with this lists rules. Zack On 5/17/07, Jack Unger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Zack, It is totallly impractical to create and have to (somehow) manage different email files for different lists, responses to clients, etc. One email file is the only practical way to go. jack Zack Kneisley wrote: On 5/17/07, David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Zack Kneisley wrote: I don't feel that ANY promotion of products or services in a signature of this particular list should be allowed unless you pay for it. That gets into the incredibly fuzzy question of what counts as promotion, though. As I put it, I think there should be a limit of what should be included in a signature due to the fact that it could and is inevitably advertising your company. Let's take the email thread, as an example. If I'm the owner of SuperDeluxeEmail and post you should use my company because it's the best, that's probably self-promotion. I agree What if I say you should use my company because I'm a WISPA member? Is that promotion, or an advertisement of the sort WISPA has been known to offer to paying vendor members? Wispa vendor based advertising is, or should be limited to the specific advertisement only based posts that that vendor has paid for. What if I don't disclose that I own SuperDeluxeEmail? Good question, this is a fuzzy type of situation, and the person is being dishonest in posting their views because it is biased. they should disclose this info. Most companies do when they report on a financial partner. Ever watch the evening news when they report on a parent company? They purposely disclose this information. What if I'm using a sock puppet to tell people how awesome SuperDeluxeEmail is? Dishonest and shoud be treated so. What if, instead of being the owner of the company, I'm just a minority investor? Or merely a very satisfied customer? Disclose it then. What if I think it's a lousy company and I want you to use their service so you'll think it's lousy and join me in publicly bad-mouthing them? Not quite sure what you mean. There's a lot of subtle levels here. Honestly, IMO a lot of the value of this list comes from the fact that a lot of different vendors are directly, or indirectly, represented here. A little self-promotion is probably inevitable, and probably healthy. (If you can't promote yourself and your business at least a little bit, you won't be in business for very long.) Rules http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless 5) No selling or self promotion allowed. Giving WISPA money doesn't (or at least shouldn't) mean that everyone walks on eggshells around your booth in the ongoing trade show that is this mailing list, and doesn't mean that we'll overlook any problems or shortcomings in your product. Conversely, if you make a good product, we won't ignore it out-of-hand because you haven't yet tithed. (We'll probably encourage you to do so, but...) Not talking about a booth, talking about direct advertisement in a community post. If we're going to start treating some folks differently based solely upon whether they're paying members of WISPA, this list loses a lot of its value. No, just no self promotion that you can buy this product through me in a general post. this doesn't mean you can't say this product is good because it does this and this It is all a little fuzzy, but I think signatures should be limited to a single link to their site, if not, the majority of the list is breaking the rules. If you don't agree, then maybe the rules need to be changed, or enforced differently. David Smith Employed by [[ That information is not available at your security clearance, citizen. ]] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. FCC License # PG-12-25133 Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the WISP
Re: [WISPA] GMAIL
no, just clicking on the actual label text on the left, but I don't use the label option much. I love the archive button though. Gets alot of clutter out of the way. Zack On 5/17/07, Dennis Burgess [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any way to tell it to MOVE them into the lable, not just sit in the inbox? On 5/17/07, Dennis Burgess - 2K Wireless [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was thinking it would look like newsgroups or something,g that has a little plus that drills down the replies etc. I have it working the way you have it. Still trying to get it to capture EVERYTHING from WISPA. .etc. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Zack Kneisley Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 1:26 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] GMAIL It does. It's very nice for lists.. actually the best I have ever used. The 2853MB of space doesn't hurt either. I'm not sure how to get it to work that way, but it does it for me Zack On 5/17/07, Dennis Burgess [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just wondering, I saw a post where someone said that the GMAIL service has the ability to show messages by the topic (subject), anyone wish to enlightn me! -- Dennis Burgess, MCP, CCNA, A+, N+, Mikrotik Certified Consultant www.mikrotikconsulting.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Dennis Burgess, MCP, CCNA, A+, N+, Mikrotik Certified Consultant www.mikrotikconsulting.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email
http://www.altn.com/ offers Mdaemon, an in-house email platform. I have personaly been using it for 6 years and am very happy with its anti-spam and anti-virus capability. It also has the option for a groupware addon that gives it a exchange shared folders type of use. I'll attach the last weekly report of what it handled as far as spam and viruses, this particular server services about 1400 accounts, open with wordpad. Also, note that the spam rejected is what was determined spam before the bayesian filter is even used. (blacklisted ip's, known spam ip's, hosts that their domain keys don't match, quite a few other things. The spam accepted tells what got determined spam after it was read through the Bayesian filtering, and subsequently, placed in the users Junk-Mail folder available via web mail or IMAP. It does the job, and does it very well. I *Might* get 2 messages that are spam and about 1 false positive a month. I like being able to troubleshoot a problem when it's in my server room rather in a data center, but I rarely have any problems. Outsourcing = no control. Zack On 5/16/07, W.D.McKinney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Folks, As a Diamond Reseller for Barracuda Networks, we take the pain out of dealing with issues the best we can for our customers. The issue of selling a used Barracuda is like a lot of hardware vendors. It varies on which entity you are dealing with as to the answer you will get. We move customers off Postini regularly due to issues they have them, so it depends what side of the coin you are looking at. (Only the experienced walk with a limp) We also take the pain of ownership out for folks and filter e-mail for WISP's as they frequently need a lower cost solution. Cheers, -Dee Alaska Wireless Systems 1(907)240-2183 Cell 1(907)349-2226 Fax 1(907)349-4308 Office www.akwireless.net - Original Message - From: JohnnyO [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wed, 16 May 2007 08:37:14 -0800 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email Barracuda should offer a buy back option for people who purchase directly from them then. This don't make sense - It basically takes a peice of equipment and renders it absolutely useless if you choose not to use it any longer.. Very Very Very crappy approach to doing business and I guess now that it is public - it's going to cost them more with their stupid policy then it was worth putting in their agreement. JohnnyO - Original Message - From: Ross Cornett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 11:27 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email Well, my first contact to Barracuda was exactly that. I am diggin in deeper to better understand their policy. But, they did tell me they will not support a device that they did not sell directly. Wow, that is hidden deep into their users agreement. Since you have to agree to it to use it, you are bound by it... I will update the list if I find any better answer. Ross - Original Message - From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 11:10 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email I think what Dave was trying to make a point about was that folks at Barracuda acted as if selling used hardware to others may not allow the new owner to purchase updates, maintenance, etc. Dave talked to them, I did not. The impression was that they would not support second-hand hardware. It might be a good idea for you, Ross, to make a call to Barracuda and see what the terms would be for update support for a new owner of this unit before you sell it. At least then you would be able to tell a new potential owner what to expect as far as costs to continue support for the unit. The Barracuda units do work but if you do not buy support agreements for updates and such then it is useless. The unit can be good as new and not worth a nickel if the manufacturer will not support it with new spam and virus signature updates. There is no way you would know any of this, Ross. We have had a bad experience with Barracuda regarding used hardware. That was all that was being cautioned here. If you find out what the terms are for transferring used hardware to new owners I would like to know what you find. Scriv Ross Cornett wrote: understand... THis is in great shape. WE used it for 2 months... couldn't stand the cryout from the customers that were so used to Postini. thanks. - Original Message - From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 10:27 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email Ross Cornett wrote: I have a barracuda for sale if anyone is interrested off list. Switched from Postini to Barracuda and it was like I turned off
Re: [WISPA] MTU BPL
If it was the article in Tessco Wireless Journal, it was 8-12 specs and one test showed that the network in the apartment building was supporting speeds of 15 Mbps Mind this is a distributor that sells the gear telling these stories, so take it with a grain of salt. On 5/16/07, Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been against BPL due to RF pollution. That said, a technical evolution could resolve some of those issues. I recently saw an article about Moto's MTU BPL solutions and was wondering if anyone here has worked with them. Does anyone else have a internal BPL system (meaning not what the power company would use) that is of a higher class than what you'd get at Best Buy? I saw that some of that consumer gear would do 85 megs (really about 25). That article said that the Moto gear does 8 - 12 megs, observed peak of 25. Is that sort of speed par for the course? Is that per circuit or gross? 8 megs to a whole building isn't much, though 8 megs to each is attractive. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to Mac, Matt, Rick and Patrick
Trying to tell me I have half a head of grey and I still have to wait another 22 years before my life begins... sheesh My b-day is on the 17th Z On 5/4/07, David Weddell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Happy Birthday to all of you and especially to my old boss Rick Harnish!! Just remember, life begins at 50 so you still have 5 more years to wait!! Regards, David Weddell [EMAIL PROTECTED] 260 918 0737 Office 260 273 7547 Cell -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RURAL BROADBAND ACT REDEFINES USDA LOAN RECIPIENTS
If anyone has had luck getting RUS monies, I would love to talk to them! Zack Kneisley 740-432-3130 On 5/4/07, Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So basically someone saw that they were spending too much money on this and decided to fine tune the funding. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 11:06 AM Subject: [WISPA] RURAL BROADBAND ACT REDEFINES USDA LOAN RECIPIENTS http://www.telecomweb.com/tnd/22967.html A new bill introduced in the U.S. House of Representatives aims to improve and re-focus an important broadband loan program to ensure that rural, unserved areas are properly targeted for investment in and development of this critical infrastructure. If passed, such reform could benefit incumbent telcos, competitive telephone companies and cable companies alike. Crafted by Reps. Stephanie Herseth Sandlin (D-SD) and Jerry Moran (R-KS), and co-sponsored by Earl Pomeroy (D-ND), John Salazar (D-CO) and Adrian Smith (R-Neb), the bi-partisan Rural Utility Service Bill (H.R. 2035) promotes increased access to high-speed broadband Internet service in rural America. The bill would improve the Rural Utility Service Broadband Loan Program that provides federal loans to areas of rural America that don't have service; that law, however, has a loophole that allows nonrural areas and areas that already have broadband services to apply for these loans, thus depleting the cash set aside for the real rural America. -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Google and 700Mhz
Unless I am completely ignorant to what I read, (I was wrong once before) it read to me that Google wants to buy a license to 700Mhz spectrum nationwide. How is this different than a single entity in my area that has an exclusive right to the particular spectrum? Z On 5/4/07, Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All, Interesting article on Google and the 700Mhz spectrum. I thought it might be of some interest to the list. It kind of sounds like the coalition that Google belongs to is rooting for small rural providers but I am not sure what their idea of small providers means. Page 1 of the article; http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/may2007/tc20070503_030284.htm Page 2; http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/may2007/tc20070503_030284_page_2.htm Regards, Dawn DiPietro -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RURAL BROADBAND ACT REDEFINES USDA LOAN RECIPIENTS
Unfortunately, I can't make it to Orlando this year, I've investigated a little on the funds but the last round, by the time I thought I had at least the information to push forward,the funds were dried up. are their and online guides (besides .gov) that has advice or information on this subject for smaller companies. Zack On 5/4/07, Peter R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A few people have. It has been discussed at ISPCON during the ISP-CEO Meetings. One owner explained the whole process one night. You would be surprised what you can learn at just one Industry Trade Show. Regards, Peter @ RAD-INFO, Inc. ISPCON in Orlando May 23-25, 2007 - Remember to let me know when you are hitting Orlando, so you can maximize your networking opportunities with your peers. Zack Kneisley wrote: If anyone has had luck getting RUS monies, I would love to talk to them! Zack Kneisley 740-432-3130 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] PortaOne?
Anyone have an opinion on this companies offerings? They now apparently work seamlessly with Mikrotik. Z -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISP] Nifty new tool for the cable ops
These guys know their stuff when it comes to FSO http://www.cablefreesolutions.com/products_serviceprovider.htm Zack -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ok, here's my CALEA statement, and farewell.
Finally, a 1 Paragraph sentence that sums it all up. Zack On 5/2/07, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Go get a job, fund your business and grow bigger and faster. Whining to us feels good but it fixes nothing. And, it's preaching to the choir. Most of us here AGREE with your point, however, the fact remains that we have to do certain things so that's where the effort is going. The time for changing minds is long past. Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] was School WiFi , about technical values.
Mark I would have to say the consensus (and common-sense) way is that someone is us (the WISPS that buy FCC certified devices). If a product does not perform as well as another and they have both been put to adhere to the same guidelines as mandated by the FCC, does not then the burden fall to the manufacturers to manufacture products that work well by having an increased sensitivity and adjacent channel rejection? Poor quality - low sales - | Excellent quality - high sales. If you want a Consumers Reports magazine on wireless equipment - well, that might be a good business to get into. ..hmm On 4/30/07, Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think Mark is asking the FCC to specify these quality levels, just stating that someone needs to. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Jack Unger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 1:44 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] was School WiFi , about technical values. Mark, I'm going to reply but this will be my last reply on this subject. I don't want to exceed my 5 posts per day limit any more than necessary. :) Yes, I understand about receiver selectivity. I've also taught over 2000 WISP personnel about it since 2001. I also wrote a (vendor-neutral) book about proper broadband wireless network design and deployment. The book has a heavy emphasis on explaining how wireless works. One entire chapter is devoted to evaluating and selecting wireless equipment. \snip crap -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ok, here's my CALEA statement, and farewell.
If not it would void our need for compliance when it passes. In other words, it's sure worth a shot. On 5/2/07, Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: George Rogato wrote: Maybe we should all ask our lawmakers to endorse this bill. Does anyone think this bill is actually going to get done in time for the deadline? -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] need service in Bradenton, Fl
Build me a 1200 ft tower and I will peer with anyone that can see me! :-) On 4/27/07, Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Travis, and all. If this were in MY area YOU could service that customer! How cool is that. I'm tellin ya, if you want a cell phone type value (or something at least better than the average isp) we have to find a way to build national coverage. And that means cooperation with other wisps. marlon - Original Message - From: RickG [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 10:12 PM Subject: [WISPA] need service in Bradenton, Fl Contact me offlist. -RickG -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Pig tails
I spoke with roger about his pigtails before, he buys them from a distributor just like anyone else, although, it it always nice to talk to him, he has is own unique prospective, and reasonable parts+ship. On 5/1/07, Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Agreed - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Sam Tetherow [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 9:26 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pig tails Roger Peters [EMAIL PROTECTED] Erik Jansson wrote: I'm looking for the best quality lowest loss pigtails, mostly ufl and mmcx to N female bulkhead. Who sells the best? I recall reading a post somewhere that some on on ebay made a top notch jumper... Any experiences would be appreciated. Erik -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] WISP Peering
On 4/26/07, Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My personal concern would be turning over my IP block to my competition. They would have to have enough control to allow BGP routes from their upstream. Technically they could misconfigure a router accidentally and take your entire network down. :( That is what BGP filtering and prefixes are about. Either you peer correctly or incorrectly and don't peer. No turning over blocks happen. Travis Microserv Mike Hammett wrote: If they're network peering, they'd be connecting each other's networks together to exchange local traffic that way. They could also have an alliance where if someone's Internet feeds go out, they use another WISP's Internet feed until restoration. This is great and what a reliable network is made of. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Law Brief on CALEA
This report is almost a year old.. anything more recent? On 4/26/07, Peter R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.crblaw.com/news/201369_1kc-5-18-06.pdf (forwarded from Bearhill) -- Regards, Peter Radizeski RAD-INFO, Inc. - NSP Strategist We Help ISPs Connect Communicate 813.963.5884 http://www.marketingIDEAguy.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Power Lines in the LOS path
So just use OFDM EVERYWHERE!! :-) On 4/13/07, Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ahhh. I tried one or two of the sl units. Just ordered some more. I like them so far. Think of multipath like a bad echo. If you've even stood in a completely empty BIG room, like a grain elevator, warehouse etc. you know that it can be hard to carry on a conversation with someone. The sound waves just keep bouncing around and around and around. OFDM likes the echos, most anything else doesn't. thanks, marlon - Original Message - From: Jim Stout [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 7:36 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power Lines in the LOS path Thanks to all for the feedback! I moved the radio to the top of the customer's barn and am now looking over the power lines. When I first fired it up, it wouldn't associated, so I started trying some of the other suggestions. I lowered the maximum transmit power substantially and it actually started to work. Once it associated, I was able to see the dB level at the AP so I continued dropping the CPE power until my receive power at the AP was -70 dBm. I also reduced the MTU to 500 and the max speed to 5 Mbps. The customer hasn't used it much but my SNMP queries have all been succesful since 9:00 last night. Marlon, The SL2 is one of the newest radios from Tranzeo. It's part of the CPQ family, but it's a Slim Line (much smaller in size.) Up until this install, they have gone in easy, and run great! Can you explain the multipath phenomenon? Thanks, Jim Jim Stout LTO Communications, LLC 15701 Henry Andrews Dr Pleasant Hill, MO 64080 (816) 305-1076 - Mobile (816) 497-0033 - Pager - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 8:40 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power Lines in the LOS path Yeah, that sounds like multipath. I've seen that a few times. Your signal level is actually much too high. Try two things to test my theory. Turn the antenna backward. That should cut 15 to 20dB of signal off and get you down into the high 60 to mid 70 rssi range. Much more reasonable. Try cross polarizing this cpe. If the tower is vertical, put the cpe hpol. Also, what's the radio? (sl2 isn't one I've heard of, cpq or cpe I know of) How about the AP? I've got some very strange things happening with SB ap's and Inscape Data or the new Tranzeo CPQ radios. They will just stop talking to each other. In fact the cpe won't even see the ap until the *ap* is rebooted! It's the dangdest thing. It's almost like the cpe is being put on a mac filter list and the ap completely ignores the cpe. No cpe mac filter being used though. I've had this happen on different networks with different towns, different upstreams, different antennas, different cpe etc. The old CPE200 units didn't do this. Just the new cpq and inscape data cpe radios. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Jim Stout [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 4:42 AM Subject: [WISPA] Power Lines in the LOS path I hate to ask this question, but I'm at my wit's end with this one. I recently installed a new customer (2.4 GHz) with a clear LOS to my tower. The distance is less than a mile and I get -56 dBm of signal strength. I've run a spectrum analyzer and it's dead silent when the radio's off.. All sounds great! A real simple install, but the radio intermittently locks up, fails to associate and most recently, simply fails to work for more then 10 - 30 seconds at a time following a POR. I've replaced radio (Tranzeo SL2) and gone to the latest version of firmware. I even contacted Tranzeo Tech Support and follwed their recommendations for timing settings. The only difference between this client and all the others on my tower is that there is a power line in the LOS path. Has anyone else found this to be a problem? It's almost like an invisible concrete wall is between the AP and the site. Thanks, Jim Jim Stout LTO Communications, LLC 15701 Henry Andrews Dr Pleasant Hill, MO 64080 (816) 305-1076 - Mobile (816) 497-0033 - Pager -- WISPA Wireless List: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
