Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
What really needs to happen is for all the ding bat indoor guys to start using the 5.1 ghz indoor only band instead of the 5.8 band! They already have dedicated spectrum and are fools for not using it. marlon From: Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 3:04 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. Not that it'll cure it, but we'll have to step up shielding, isolation, antenna gain, better F/B, better side lobe suppression, etc. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 5:03:00 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. Yeah, won't matter either way with a 5Ghz AP on every street corner. Already seeing that in our areas do a wireless scan and you see 354 5Ghz APs now in addition to the 2Ghz ones (they run dual band APs now). Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 From: Bret Clark bcl...@spectraaccess.com Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 5:49 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. What could go wrong with Comcast taking up yet more 5GHz of spectrum...[/sarcasm off] On 11/14/2013 01:40 PM, ralph wrote: I hope the links at the bottom come through. --- Comcast needs the FCC to open up the 5 GHz spectrum band to power next-generation Wi-Fi services that could allow it to deliver wireless broadband at speeds of up to 1 Gbps, SVP of Business Development Tom Nagel testified at a House Energy and Commerce hearing on Wednesday. Nagel disclosed in his prepared testimony that Comcast has expanded the number of Wi-Fi access points for Xfinity high-speed Internet customers to 350,000. The nation's largest cable MSO also began deploying wireless gateways from Cisco earlier this year that Comcast has said may be able to power millions of neighborhood hotspots. While Comcast already is already using the 5 GHz band, Nagel said it needs more of the unlicensed spectrum to meet demand from subscribers for Wi-Fi. It faces potential opposition from Toyota and other automobile manufacturers who want to use the 5 GHz band to deliver next-generation connected car applications, including applications that would warn drivers of collision threats. Toyota principal researcher John Kenney raised concerns about possible interference from Wi-Fi services at Wednesday's hearing. We have been actively engaged with the Wi-Fi community and other stakeholders who are exploring possible sharing solutions that will alleviate any risk of harmful interference from unlicensed devices. But we're not there yet and it's going to take a bit more time to see if we can get there, Kenney said in his prepared testimony. For more: - see Nagel's prepared testimony (.pdf) - see Kenney's prepared testimony (.pdf) - see Comcast blog post - Broadcasting Cable has this story ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
The other good thing is that they will (hopefully) keep using wifi where we can use polling mechanisms easier today so we *should* be more protected against the interference than we used to be with older 2.4 gig gear. marlon From: Scott Carullo Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 3:52 PM To: Matt Hoppes ; sc...@brevardwireless.com ; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. Hard to tell, noise floor is noise floor which keeps creeping up - we all know things work better when its quiet. This used to worry me a lot when I saw it coming, but then I realized it was already there and I had no idea until I just happened to scan on some radios (I don't usually install the stuff). I'm not worried any more, if its not one thing it will be another any way. Thats what gives us the edge every day, flexibility. We will work around it, we always do. I figure a high gain antenna on a tower with a good directional CPE will continue to work fine. Their omni low gain antenna can't compete with a 20-30db directional one. Still sucks though, you drive down the street and see one after another running 5Ghz just knowing there probably isn't 3 connections in the whole city to them Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 From: Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:43 PM To: sc...@brevardwireless.com sc...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. Are you seeing any impact from them? On Nov 14, 2013, at 18:03, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com wrote: Yeah, won't matter either way with a 5Ghz AP on every street corner. Already seeing that in our areas do a wireless scan and you see 354 5Ghz APs now in addition to the 2Ghz ones (they run dual band APs now). Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 -- From: Bret Clark bcl...@spectraaccess.com Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 5:49 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. What could go wrong with Comcast taking up yet more 5GHz of spectrum...[/sarcasm off] On 11/14/2013 01:40 PM, ralph wrote: I hope the links at the bottom come through. --- Comcast needs the FCC to open up the 5 GHz spectrum band to power next-generation Wi-Fi services that could allow it to deliver wireless broadband at speeds of up to 1 Gbps, SVP of Business Development Tom Nagel testified at a House Energy and Commerce hearing on Wednesday. Nagel disclosed in his prepared testimony that Comcast has expanded the number of Wi-Fi access points for Xfinity high-speed Internet customers to 350,000. The nation's largest cable MSO also began deploying wireless gateways from Cisco earlier this year that Comcast has said may be able to power millions of neighborhood hotspots. While Comcast already is already using the 5 GHz band, Nagel said it needs more of the unlicensed spectrum to meet demand from subscribers for Wi-Fi. It faces potential opposition from Toyota and other automobile manufacturers who want to use the 5 GHz band to deliver next-generation connected car applications, including applications that would warn drivers of collision threats. Toyota principal researcher John Kenney raised concerns about possible interference from Wi-Fi services at Wednesday's hearing. We have been actively engaged with the Wi-Fi community and other stakeholders who are exploring possible sharing solutions that will alleviate any risk of harmful interference from unlicensed devices. But we're not there yet and it's going to take a bit more time to see if we can get there, Kenney said in his prepared testimony. For more: - see Nagel's prepared testimony (.pdf) - see Kenney's prepared testimony (.pdf) - see Comcast blog post - Broadcasting Cable has this story ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
Except that one of the proposals is to make 5.1 outdoor, though it may very well be a stretch. Also, 100 MHz may not be enough. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Marlon Schafer (509.982.2181) o...@odessaoffice.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 1:47:27 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. What really needs to happen is for all the ding bat indoor guys to start using the 5.1 ghz indoor only band instead of the 5.8 band! They already have dedicated spectrum and are fools for not using it. marlon From: Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 3:04 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. Not that it'll cure it, but we'll have to step up shielding, isolation, antenna gain, better F/B, better side lobe suppression, etc. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 5:03:00 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. Yeah, won't matter either way with a 5Ghz AP on every street corner. Already seeing that in our areas do a wireless scan and you see 354 5Ghz APs now in addition to the 2Ghz ones (they run dual band APs now). Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 From : Bret Clark bcl...@spectraaccess.com Sent : Thursday, November 14, 2013 5:49 PM To : wireless@wispa.org Subject : Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. What could go wrong with Comcast taking up yet more 5GHz of spectrum...[/sarcasm off] On 11/14/2013 01:40 PM, ralph wrote: I hope the links at the bottom come through. --- Comcast needs the FCC to open up the 5 GHz spectrum band to power next-generation Wi-Fi services that could allow it to deliver wireless broadband at speeds of up to 1 Gbps, SVP of Business Development Tom Nagel testified at a House Energy and Commerce hearing on Wednesday. Nagel disclosed in his prepared testimony that Comcast has expanded the number of Wi-Fi access points for Xfinity high-speed Internet customers to 350,000. The nation's largest cable MSO also began deploying wireless gateways from Cisco earlier this year that Comcast has said may be able to power millions of neighborhood hotspots. While Comcast already is already using the 5 GHz band, Nagel said it needs more of the unlicensed spectrum to meet demand from subscribers for Wi-Fi. It faces potential opposition from Toyota and other automobile manufacturers who want to use the 5 GHz band to deliver next-generation connected car applications, including applications that would warn drivers of collision threats. Toyota principal researcher John Kenney raised concerns about possible interference from Wi-Fi services at Wednesday's hearing. We have been actively engaged with the Wi-Fi community and other stakeholders who are exploring possible sharing solutions that will alleviate any risk of harmful interference from unlicensed devices. But we're not there yet and it's going to take a bit more time to see if we can get there, Kenney said in his prepared testimony. For more: - see Nagel's prepared testimony (.pdf) - see Kenney's prepared testimony (.pdf) - see Comcast blog post - Broadcasting Cable has this story ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
? On Nov 27, 2013, at 14:51, Marlon Schafer (509.982.2181) o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: The other good thing is that they will (hopefully) keep using wifi where we can use polling mechanisms easier today so we *should* be more protected against the interference than we used to be with older 2.4 gig gear. marlon From: Scott Carullo Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 3:52 PM To: Matt Hoppes ; sc...@brevardwireless.com ; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. Hard to tell, noise floor is noise floor which keeps creeping up - we all know things work better when its quiet. This used to worry me a lot when I saw it coming, but then I realized it was already there and I had no idea until I just happened to scan on some radios (I don't usually install the stuff). I'm not worried any more, if its not one thing it will be another any way. Thats what gives us the edge every day, flexibility. We will work around it, we always do. I figure a high gain antenna on a tower with a good directional CPE will continue to work fine. Their omni low gain antenna can't compete with a 20-30db directional one. Still sucks though, you drive down the street and see one after another running 5Ghz just knowing there probably isn't 3 connections in the whole city to them Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 From: Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:43 PM To: sc...@brevardwireless.com sc...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. Are you seeing any impact from them? On Nov 14, 2013, at 18:03, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com wrote: Yeah, won't matter either way with a 5Ghz AP on every street corner. Already seeing that in our areas do a wireless scan and you see 354 5Ghz APs now in addition to the 2Ghz ones (they run dual band APs now). Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 From: Bret Clark bcl...@spectraaccess.com Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 5:49 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. What could go wrong with Comcast taking up yet more 5GHz of spectrum...[/sarcasm off] On 11/14/2013 01:40 PM, ralph wrote: I hope the links at the bottom come through. --- Comcast needs the FCC to open up the 5 GHz spectrum band to power next-generation Wi-Fi services that could allow it to deliver wireless broadband at speeds of up to 1 Gbps, SVP of Business Development Tom Nagel testified at a House Energy and Commerce hearing on Wednesday. Nagel disclosed in his prepared testimony that Comcast has expanded the number of Wi-Fi access points for Xfinity high-speed Internet customers to 350,000. The nation's largest cable MSO also began deploying wireless gateways from Cisco earlier this year that Comcast has said may be able to power millions of neighborhood hotspots. While Comcast already is already using the 5 GHz band, Nagel said it needs more of the unlicensed spectrum to meet demand from subscribers for Wi-Fi. It faces potential opposition from Toyota and other automobile manufacturers who want to use the 5 GHz band to deliver next-generation connected car applications, including applications that would warn drivers of collision threats. Toyota principal researcher John Kenney raised concerns about possible interference from Wi-Fi services at Wednesday's hearing. We have been actively engaged with the Wi-Fi community and other stakeholders who are exploring possible sharing solutions that will alleviate any risk of harmful interference from unlicensed devices. But we're not there yet and it's going to take a bit more time to see if we can get there, Kenney said in his prepared testimony. For more: - see Nagel's prepared testimony (.pdf) - see Kenney's prepared testimony (.pdf) - see Comcast blog post - Broadcasting Cable has this story ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
WiFi has the csmak mechanism as part of the protocol. Basically you have to listen for clear air before you can talk. If they air isn’t clear you don’t transmit. With a poling mechanism you transmit no matter what, if there’s no acknowledgment you transmit again, no matter what. WiFi is inherently susceptible to interference issues. That’s how it is so nicely co-locateable but it’s also bad for high noise environments. The idea that anyone will put hundreds or thousands of units on the street and do even an OK job of servicing the consumers with today’s protocol is funny to me. It works now, but so did muni wifi not that long ago. This too shall pass marlon From: Matt Hoppes Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 12:32 PM To: WISPA General List Cc: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. ? On Nov 27, 2013, at 14:51, Marlon Schafer (509.982.2181) o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: The other good thing is that they will (hopefully) keep using wifi where we can use polling mechanisms easier today so we *should* be more protected against the interference than we used to be with older 2.4 gig gear. marlon From: Scott Carullo Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 3:52 PM To: Matt Hoppes ; sc...@brevardwireless.com ; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. Hard to tell, noise floor is noise floor which keeps creeping up - we all know things work better when its quiet. This used to worry me a lot when I saw it coming, but then I realized it was already there and I had no idea until I just happened to scan on some radios (I don't usually install the stuff). I'm not worried any more, if its not one thing it will be another any way. Thats what gives us the edge every day, flexibility. We will work around it, we always do. I figure a high gain antenna on a tower with a good directional CPE will continue to work fine. Their omni low gain antenna can't compete with a 20-30db directional one. Still sucks though, you drive down the street and see one after another running 5Ghz just knowing there probably isn't 3 connections in the whole city to them Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 -- From: Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:43 PM To: sc...@brevardwireless.com sc...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. Are you seeing any impact from them? On Nov 14, 2013, at 18:03, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com wrote: Yeah, won't matter either way with a 5Ghz AP on every street corner. Already seeing that in our areas do a wireless scan and you see 354 5Ghz APs now in addition to the 2Ghz ones (they run dual band APs now). Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 From: Bret Clark bcl...@spectraaccess.com Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 5:49 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. What could go wrong with Comcast taking up yet more 5GHz of spectrum...[/sarcasm off] On 11/14/2013 01:40 PM, ralph wrote: I hope the links at the bottom come through. --- Comcast needs the FCC to open up the 5 GHz spectrum band to power next-generation Wi-Fi services that could allow it to deliver wireless broadband at speeds of up to 1 Gbps, SVP of Business Development Tom Nagel testified at a House Energy and Commerce hearing on Wednesday. Nagel disclosed in his prepared testimony that Comcast has expanded the number of Wi-Fi access points for Xfinity high-speed Internet customers to 350,000. The nation's largest cable MSO also began deploying wireless gateways from Cisco earlier this year that Comcast has said may be able to power millions of neighborhood hotspots. While Comcast already is already using the 5 GHz band, Nagel said it needs more of the unlicensed spectrum to meet demand from subscribers for Wi-Fi. It faces potential opposition from Toyota and other automobile manufacturers who want to use the 5 GHz band to deliver next-generation connected car applications, including applications that would warn drivers of collision threats. Toyota principal researcher John Kenney raised concerns about possible interference from Wi-Fi services at Wednesday's hearing. We have been actively engaged with the Wi-Fi community and other stakeholders who are exploring possible sharing solutions that will alleviate any risk of harmful interference from unlicensed devices
Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
Hey Ubiquiti, here is an idea for a new product... :-) Sent with AquaMail for Android http://www.aqua-mail.com On November 15, 2013 6:51:00 AM Eric Muehleisen ericm...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.ruckuswireless.com/press/releases/20130610-ruckus-adds-zoneflex-7781cm-access-point-to-its-portfolio $5k MSRP. Even at half that...ouch! On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:37 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Anyideas on the cost? It would be a great addition to any aerial fiber built out Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Zach Mann *Sent:* Friday, November 15, 2013 10:30 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. It's not just Comcast, TW, Cox are also taking advantage of the simplicity of the newer 7781-CM Access Point. They are offering free wifi to existing clients for retention. Down the road cellular offloading 802.11u On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:27 AM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: That's one way to avoid pole attachment fees! LOL. What is Comcast trying to accomplish with these? Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 11/15/13, 9:26 AM, Zach Mann wrote: He's talking about these... (see attached) On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:01 AM, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com wrote: I'm not talking about the ones in peoples homes, I'm talking about the ones the cable carrier hangs on the lines outside runing through the city on every corner clear LOS to every tower around. Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 *From*: Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com mailto:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com *Sent*: Friday, November 15, 2013 8:24 AM *To*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. One good thing about the higher bands and the noise floor is that free space loss works to your advantage. That being that a 5 GHz indoor Omni home AP router signal will fall off as an interference source as a much shorter distance than a 2.4 GHz device will. The laws of physics work in your favor. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com http://www.Broadband-Mapping.com *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Scott Carullo *Sent:* Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:52 PM *To:* Matt Hoppes; sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. Hard to tell, noise floor is noise floor which keeps creeping up - we all know things work better when its quiet. This used to worry me a lot when I saw it coming, but then I realized it was already there and I had no idea until I just happened to scan on some radios (I don't usually install the stuff). I'm not worried any more, if its not one thing it will be another any way. Thats what gives us the edge every day, flexibility. We will work around it, we always do. I figure a high gain antenna on a tower with a good directional CPE will continue to work fine. Their omni low gain antenna can't compete with a 20-30db directional one. Still sucks though, you drive down the street and see one after another running 5Ghz just knowing there probably isn't 3 connections in the whole city to them Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 *From*: Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com *Sent*: Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:43 PM *To*: sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Cc*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. Are you seeing any impact from them? On Nov 14, 2013, at 18:03, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com wrote: Yeah, won't matter either way with a 5Ghz AP on every street corner. Already seeing that in our areas do
Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
Uh...Unifi... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Nov 16, 2013 10:28 AM, John Thomas jtho...@quarnet.com wrote: Hey Ubiquiti, here is an idea for a new product... :-) Sent with AquaMail for Android http://www.aqua-mail.com On November 15, 2013 6:51:00 AM Eric Muehleisen wrote: http://www.ruckuswireless.com/press/releases/20130610-ruckus-adds-zoneflex-7781cm-access-point-to-its-portfolio $5k MSRP. Even at half that...ouch! On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:37 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Anyideas on the cost? It would be a great addition to any aerial fiber built out Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Zach Mann *Sent:* Friday, November 15, 2013 10:30 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. It's not just Comcast, TW, Cox are also taking advantage of the simplicity of the newer 7781-CM Access Point. They are offering free wifi to existing clients for retention. Down the road cellular offloading 802.11u On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:27 AM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: That's one way to avoid pole attachment fees! LOL. What is Comcast trying to accomplish with these? Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 %2B1%20%28570%29%20723-7312 On 11/15/13, 9:26 AM, Zach Mann wrote: He's talking about these... (see attached) On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:01 AM, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com wrote: I'm not talking about the ones in peoples homes, I'm talking about the ones the cable carrier hangs on the lines outside runing through the city on every corner clear LOS to every tower around. Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 *From*: Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com mailto:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com *Sent*: Friday, November 15, 2013 8:24 AM *To*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. One good thing about the higher bands and the noise floor is that free space loss works to your advantage. That being that a 5 GHz indoor Omni home AP router signal will fall off as an interference source as a much shorter distance than a 2.4 GHz device will. The laws of physics work in your favor. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com http://www.Broadband-Mapping.com *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Scott Carullo *Sent:* Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:52 PM *To:* Matt Hoppes; sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. Hard to tell, noise floor is noise floor which keeps creeping up - we all know things work better when its quiet. This used to worry me a lot when I saw it coming, but then I realized it was already there and I had no idea until I just happened to scan on some radios (I don't usually install the stuff). I'm not worried any more, if its not one thing it will be another any way. Thats what gives us the edge every day, flexibility. We will work around it, we always do. I figure a high gain antenna on a tower with a good directional CPE will continue to work fine. Their omni low gain antenna can't compete with a 20-30db directional one. Still sucks though, you drive down the street and see one after another running 5Ghz just knowing there probably isn't 3 connections in the whole city to them Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 *From*: Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com *Sent*: Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:43 PM *To*: sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Cc*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. Are you seeing any impact from them? On Nov 14, 2013, at 18:03, Scott Carullo sc
Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
You guys are hilarious. In seriousness though, it shouldn't be a difficult if the argument is turned into what the value of the bands is to the economy, vs other uses. On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 2:26 AM, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.comwrote: Sure, why else would there be African bands... Of course its for the African customers. Silly question. Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 -- *From*: Robert nos...@avantwireless.com *Sent*: Thursday, November 14, 2013 7:24 PM *To*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. So does that mean I can use the African bands for my S. African customers and etc...? On 11/14/2013 04:12 PM, Scott Carullo wrote: You can always go to the Japanese channels, they always seem to be nice and quiet ;) We have lots of Asian customers so we are allowed to use them in some areas... Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 *From*: Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com *Sent*: Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:59 PM *To*: sc...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. Yeah... this is why I always preach 20dB above the noise floor... signals in the 45 to 55 range. If you install in the 70s you have no where to go. Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 11/14/13, 6:52 PM, Scott Carullo wrote: Hard to tell, noise floor is noise floor which keeps creeping up - we all know things work better when its quiet. This used to worry me a lot when I saw it coming, but then I realized it was already there and I had no idea until I just happened to scan on some radios (I don't usually install the stuff). I'm not worried any more, if its not one thing it will be another any way. Thats what gives us the edge every day, flexibility. We will work around it, we always do. I figure a high gain antenna on a tower with a good directional CPE will continue to work fine. Their omni low gain antenna can't compete with a 20-30db directional one. Still sucks though, you drive down the street and see one after another running 5Ghz just knowing there probably isn't 3 connections in the whole city to them Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 *From*: Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com *Sent*: Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:43 PM *To*: sc...@brevardwireless.com sc...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Cc*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. Are you seeing any impact from them? On Nov 14, 2013, at 18:03, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com wrote: Yeah, won't matter either way with a 5Ghz AP on every street corner. Already seeing that in our areas do a wireless scan and you see 354 5Ghz APs now in addition to the 2Ghz ones (they run dual band APs now). Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 *From*: Bret Clark bcl...@spectraaccess.com mailto:bcl...@spectraaccess.com *Sent*: Thursday, November 14, 2013 5:49 PM *To*: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. What could go wrong with Comcast taking up yet more 5GHz of spectrum...[/sarcasm off] On 11/14/2013 01:40 PM, ralph wrote: I hope the links at the bottom come through. --- Comcast needs the FCC to open up the 5 GHz spectrum band to power next-generation Wi-Fi services that could allow it to deliver wireless broadband at speeds of up to 1 Gbps, SVP of Business Development Tom Nagel testified at a House Energy and Commerce hearing on Wednesday. Nagel disclosed in his prepared testimony that Comcast has expanded the number of Wi-Fi access points for Xfinity high-speed Internet customers to 350,000. The nation's largest cable MSO also began deploying wireless gateways from Cisco earlier this year that Comcast has said may be able to power millions of neighborhood hotspots. While Comcast already is already using the 5 GHz band, Nagel said it needs more of the unlicensed spectrum to meet demand from subscribers for Wi-Fi. It faces potential opposition from Toyota and other automobile manufacturers who want to use the 5 GHz band to deliver next-generation connected car applications, including applications that would warn drivers of collision threats. Toyota principal researcher John Kenney
Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
One good thing about the higher bands and the noise floor is that free space loss works to your advantage. That being that a 5 GHz indoor Omni home AP router signal will fall off as an interference source as a much shorter distance than a 2.4 GHz device will. The laws of physics work in your favor. Thank You, Brian Webster http://www.wirelessmapping.com www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Carullo Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:52 PM To: Matt Hoppes; sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. Hard to tell, noise floor is noise floor which keeps creeping up - we all know things work better when its quiet. This used to worry me a lot when I saw it coming, but then I realized it was already there and I had no idea until I just happened to scan on some radios (I don't usually install the stuff). I'm not worried any more, if its not one thing it will be another any way. Thats what gives us the edge every day, flexibility. We will work around it, we always do. I figure a high gain antenna on a tower with a good directional CPE will continue to work fine. Their omni low gain antenna can't compete with a 20-30db directional one. Still sucks though, you drive down the street and see one after another running 5Ghz just knowing there probably isn't 3 connections in the whole city to them Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 http://www.flhsi.com/files/emaillogo.jpg _ From: Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:43 PM To: sc...@brevardwireless.com sc...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. Are you seeing any impact from them? On Nov 14, 2013, at 18:03, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com wrote: Yeah, won't matter either way with a 5Ghz AP on every street corner. Already seeing that in our areas do a wireless scan and you see 354 5Ghz APs now in addition to the 2Ghz ones (they run dual band APs now). Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 http://www.flhsi.com/files/emaillogo.jpg _ From: Bret Clark bcl...@spectraaccess.com Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 5:49 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. What could go wrong with Comcast taking up yet more 5GHz of spectrum...[/sarcasm off] On 11/14/2013 01:40 PM, ralph wrote: I hope the links at the bottom come through. --- Comcast needs the FCC to open up the 5 GHz spectrum band to power next-generation Wi-Fi services that could allow it to deliver wireless broadband at speeds of up to 1 Gbps, SVP of Business Development Tom Nagel testified at a House Energy and Commerce hearing on Wednesday. Nagel disclosed in his prepared testimony that Comcast has expanded the number of Wi-Fi access points for Xfinity high-speed Internet customers to 350,000. The nation's largest cable MSO also began deploying wireless gateways from Cisco earlier this year that Comcast has said may be able to power millions of neighborhood hotspots. While Comcast already is already using the 5 GHz band, Nagel said it needs more of the unlicensed spectrum to meet demand from subscribers for Wi-Fi. It faces potential opposition from Toyota and other automobile manufacturers who want to use the 5 GHz band to deliver next-generation connected car applications, including applications that would warn drivers of collision threats. Toyota principal researcher John Kenney raised concerns about possible interference from Wi-Fi services at Wednesday's hearing. We have been actively engaged with the Wi-Fi community and other stakeholders who are exploring possible sharing solutions that will alleviate any risk of harmful interference from unlicensed devices. But we're not there yet and it's going to take a bit more time to see if we can get there, Kenney said in his prepared testimony. For more: - see Nagel's prepared testimony http://links.mkt1985.com/ctt?kn=207ms=NzE0MjgxOQS2r=NDc2MTk4ODcyMzcS1b=0 j=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0mt=2rj=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0rt=0 (.pdf) - see Kenney's prepared testimony http://links.mkt1985.com/ctt?kn=187ms=NzE0MjgxOQS2r=NDc2MTk4ODcyMzcS1b=0 j=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0mt=2rj=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0rt=0 (.pdf) - see Comcast blog post http://links.mkt1985.com/ctt?kn=118ms=NzE0MjgxOQS2r=NDc2MTk4ODcyMzcS1b=0 j=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0mt=2rj=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0rt=0 - Broadcasting Cable has this story http://links.mkt1985.com/ctt?kn=190ms=NzE0MjgxOQS2r=NDc2MTk4ODcyMzcS1b=0 j=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0mt=2rj=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0rt=0 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
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The laws of physics are the same for free space loss below 6GHz. What does help is obstruction attenuation. On Nov 15, 2013, at 8:24, Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com wrote: One good thing about the higher bands and the noise floor is that free space loss works to your advantage. That being that a 5 GHz indoor Omni home AP router signal will fall off as an interference source as a much shorter distance than a 2.4 GHz device will. The laws of physics work in your favor. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Carullo Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:52 PM To: Matt Hoppes; sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. Hard to tell, noise floor is noise floor which keeps creeping up - we all know things work better when its quiet. This used to worry me a lot when I saw it coming, but then I realized it was already there and I had no idea until I just happened to scan on some radios (I don't usually install the stuff). I'm not worried any more, if its not one thing it will be another any way. Thats what gives us the edge every day, flexibility. We will work around it, we always do. I figure a high gain antenna on a tower with a good directional CPE will continue to work fine. Their omni low gain antenna can't compete with a 20-30db directional one. Still sucks though, you drive down the street and see one after another running 5Ghz just knowing there probably isn't 3 connections in the whole city to them Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 From: Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:43 PM To: sc...@brevardwireless.com sc...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. Are you seeing any impact from them? On Nov 14, 2013, at 18:03, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com wrote: Yeah, won't matter either way with a 5Ghz AP on every street corner. Already seeing that in our areas do a wireless scan and you see 354 5Ghz APs now in addition to the 2Ghz ones (they run dual band APs now). Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 From: Bret Clark bcl...@spectraaccess.com Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 5:49 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. What could go wrong with Comcast taking up yet more 5GHz of spectrum...[/sarcasm off] On 11/14/2013 01:40 PM, ralph wrote: I hope the links at the bottom come through. --- Comcast needs the FCC to open up the 5 GHz spectrum band to power next-generation Wi-Fi services that could allow it to deliver wireless broadband at speeds of up to 1 Gbps, SVP of Business Development Tom Nagel testified at a House Energy and Commerce hearing on Wednesday. Nagel disclosed in his prepared testimony that Comcast has expanded the number of Wi-Fi access points for Xfinity high-speed Internet customers to 350,000. The nation's largest cable MSO also began deploying wireless gateways from Cisco earlier this year that Comcast has said may be able to power millions of neighborhood hotspots. While Comcast already is already using the 5 GHz band, Nagel said it needs more of the unlicensed spectrum to meet demand from subscribers for Wi-Fi. It faces potential opposition from Toyota and other automobile manufacturers who want to use the 5 GHz band to deliver next-generation connected car applications, including applications that would warn drivers of collision threats. Toyota principal researcher John Kenney raised concerns about possible interference from Wi-Fi services at Wednesday's hearing. We have been actively engaged with the Wi-Fi community and other stakeholders who are exploring possible sharing solutions that will alleviate any risk of harmful interference from unlicensed devices. But we're not there yet and it's going to take a bit more time to see if we can get there, Kenney said in his prepared testimony. For more: - see Nagel's prepared testimony (.pdf) - see Kenney's prepared testimony (.pdf) - see Comcast blog post - Broadcasting Cable has this story ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
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I'm not talking about the ones in peoples homes, I'm talking about the ones the cable carrier hangs on the lines outside runing through the city on every corner clear LOS to every tower around. Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 From: Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 8:24 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. One good thing about the higher bands and the noise floor is that free space loss works to your advantage. That being that a 5 GHz indoor Omni home AP router signal will fall off as an interference source as a much shorter distance than a 2.4 GHz device will. The laws of physics work in your favor. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Carullo Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:52 PM To: Matt Hoppes; sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. Hard to tell, noise floor is noise floor which keeps creeping up - we all know things work better when its quiet. This used to worry me a lot when I saw it coming, but then I realized it was already there and I had no idea until I just happened to scan on some radios (I don't usually install the stuff). I'm not worried any more, if its not one thing it will be another any way. Thats what gives us the edge every day, flexibility. We will work around it, we always do. I figure a high gain antenna on a tower with a good directional CPE will continue to work fine. Their omni low gain antenna can't compete with a 20-30db directional one. Still sucks though, you drive down the street and see one after another running 5Ghz just knowing there probably isn't 3 connections in the whole city to them Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 From: Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:43 PM To: sc...@brevardwireless.com sc...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. Are you seeing any impact from them? On Nov 14, 2013, at 18:03, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com wrote: Yeah, won't matter either way with a 5Ghz AP on every street corner. Already seeing that in our areas do a wireless scan and you see 354 5Ghz APs now in addition to the 2Ghz ones (they run dual band APs now). Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 From: Bret Clark bcl...@spectraaccess.com Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 5:49 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. What could go wrong with Comcast taking up yet more 5GHz of spectrum...[/sarcasm off] On 11/14/2013 01:40 PM, ralph wrote: I hope the links at the bottom come through. --- Comcast needs the FCC to open up the 5 GHz spectrum band to power next-generation Wi-Fi services that could allow it to deliver wireless broadband at speeds of up to 1 Gbps, SVP of Business Development Tom Nagel testified at a House Energy and Commerce hearing on Wednesday. Nagel disclosed in his prepared testimony that Comcast has expanded the number of Wi-Fi access points for Xfinity high-speed Internet customers to 350,000. The nation's largest cable MSO also began deploying wireless gateways from Cisco earlier this year that Comcast has said may be able to power millions of neighborhood hotspots. While Comcast already is already using the 5 GHz band, Nagel said it needs more of the unlicensed spectrum to meet demand from subscribers for Wi-Fi. It faces potential opposition from Toyota and other automobile manufacturers who want to use the 5 GHz band to deliver next-generation connected car applications, including applications that would warn drivers of collision threats. Toyota principal researcher John Kenney raised concerns about possible interference from Wi-Fi services at Wednesday's hearing. We have been actively engaged with the Wi-Fi community and other stakeholders who are exploring possible sharing solutions that will alleviate any risk of harmful interference from unlicensed devices. But we're not there yet and it's going to take a bit more time to see if we can get there, Kenney said in his prepared testimony. For more: - see Nagel's prepared testimony (.pdf) - see Kenney's prepared testimony (.pdf) - see Comcast blog post - Broadcasting Cable has this story ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
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It's not just Comcast, TW, Cox are also taking advantage of the simplicity of the newer 7781-CM Access Point. They are offering free wifi to existing clients for retention. Down the road cellular offloading 802.11u On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:27 AM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.comwrote: That's one way to avoid pole attachment fees! LOL. What is Comcast trying to accomplish with these? Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 11/15/13, 9:26 AM, Zach Mann wrote: He's talking about these... (see attached) On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:01 AM, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com wrote: I'm not talking about the ones in peoples homes, I'm talking about the ones the cable carrier hangs on the lines outside runing through the city on every corner clear LOS to every tower around. Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 *From*: Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com mailto:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com *Sent*: Friday, November 15, 2013 8:24 AM *To*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. One good thing about the higher bands and the noise floor is that free space loss works to your advantage. That being that a 5 GHz indoor Omni home AP router signal will fall off as an interference source as a much shorter distance than a 2.4 GHz device will. The laws of physics work in your favor. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com http://www.Broadband-Mapping.com *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Scott Carullo *Sent:* Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:52 PM *To:* Matt Hoppes; sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. Hard to tell, noise floor is noise floor which keeps creeping up - we all know things work better when its quiet. This used to worry me a lot when I saw it coming, but then I realized it was already there and I had no idea until I just happened to scan on some radios (I don't usually install the stuff). I'm not worried any more, if its not one thing it will be another any way. Thats what gives us the edge every day, flexibility. We will work around it, we always do. I figure a high gain antenna on a tower with a good directional CPE will continue to work fine. Their omni low gain antenna can't compete with a 20-30db directional one. Still sucks though, you drive down the street and see one after another running 5Ghz just knowing there probably isn't 3 connections in the whole city to them Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 *From*: Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com *Sent*: Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:43 PM *To*: sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Cc*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. Are you seeing any impact from them? On Nov 14, 2013, at 18:03, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com wrote: Yeah, won't matter either way with a 5Ghz AP on every street corner. Already seeing that in our areas do a wireless scan and you see 354 5Ghz APs now in addition to the 2Ghz ones (they run dual band APs now). Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 *From*: Bret Clark bcl...@spectraaccess.com mailto:bcl...@spectraaccess.com *Sent*: Thursday, November 14, 2013 5:49 PM *To*: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. What could go wrong with Comcast taking up yet more 5GHz of spectrum...[/sarcasm off] On 11/14/2013 01:40 PM, ralph wrote: I hope the links at the bottom come through
Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
Through the Coax Plant. On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:29 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: That's sweet. How does it get power? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Nov 15, 2013 9:26 AM, Zach Mann zma...@gmail.com wrote: He's talking about these... (see attached) On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:01 AM, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com wrote: I'm not talking about the ones in peoples homes, I'm talking about the ones the cable carrier hangs on the lines outside runing through the city on every corner clear LOS to every tower around. Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 -- *From*: Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com *Sent*: Friday, November 15, 2013 8:24 AM *To*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. One good thing about the higher bands and the noise floor is that free space loss works to your advantage. That being that a 5 GHz indoor Omni home AP router signal will fall off as an interference source as a much shorter distance than a 2.4 GHz device will. The laws of physics work in your favor. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Scott Carullo *Sent:* Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:52 PM *To:* Matt Hoppes; sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. Hard to tell, noise floor is noise floor which keeps creeping up - we all know things work better when its quiet. This used to worry me a lot when I saw it coming, but then I realized it was already there and I had no idea until I just happened to scan on some radios (I don't usually install the stuff). I'm not worried any more, if its not one thing it will be another any way. Thats what gives us the edge every day, flexibility. We will work around it, we always do. I figure a high gain antenna on a tower with a good directional CPE will continue to work fine. Their omni low gain antenna can't compete with a 20-30db directional one. Still sucks though, you drive down the street and see one after another running 5Ghz just knowing there probably isn't 3 connections in the whole city to them Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 -- *From*: Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com *Sent*: Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:43 PM *To*: sc...@brevardwireless.com sc...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Cc*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. Are you seeing any impact from them? On Nov 14, 2013, at 18:03, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com wrote: Yeah, won't matter either way with a 5Ghz AP on every street corner. Already seeing that in our areas do a wireless scan and you see 354 5Ghz APs now in addition to the 2Ghz ones (they run dual band APs now). Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 -- *From*: Bret Clark bcl...@spectraaccess.com *Sent*: Thursday, November 14, 2013 5:49 PM *To*: wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. What could go wrong with Comcast taking up yet more 5GHz of spectrum...[/sarcasm off] On 11/14/2013 01:40 PM, ralph wrote: I hope the links at the bottom come through. --- Comcast needs the FCC to open up the 5 GHz spectrum band to power next-generation Wi-Fi services that could allow it to deliver wireless broadband at speeds of up to 1 Gbps, SVP of Business Development Tom Nagel testified at a House Energy and Commerce hearing on Wednesday. Nagel disclosed in his prepared testimony that Comcast has expanded the number of Wi-Fi access points for Xfinity high-speed Internet customers to 350,000. The nation's largest cable MSO also began deploying wireless gateways from Cisco earlier this year that Comcast has said may be able to power millions of neighborhood hotspots. While Comcast already is already using the 5 GHz band, Nagel said it needs more of the unlicensed spectrum to meet demand from subscribers for Wi-Fi. It faces potential opposition from Toyota and other automobile manufacturers who want to use the 5 GHz band to deliver next-generation connected car applications, including applications that would warn drivers of collision threats. Toyota principal researcher John Kenney raised concerns about possible interference from Wi-Fi services at Wednesday's hearing. We have been actively engaged with the Wi-Fi community and other stakeholders who are exploring possible sharing solutions that will alleviate any risk of harmful
Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
That's sweet. How does it get power? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Nov 15, 2013 9:26 AM, Zach Mann zma...@gmail.com wrote: He's talking about these... (see attached) On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:01 AM, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.comwrote: I'm not talking about the ones in peoples homes, I'm talking about the ones the cable carrier hangs on the lines outside runing through the city on every corner clear LOS to every tower around. Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 -- *From*: Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com *Sent*: Friday, November 15, 2013 8:24 AM *To*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. One good thing about the higher bands and the noise floor is that free space loss works to your advantage. That being that a 5 GHz indoor Omni home AP router signal will fall off as an interference source as a much shorter distance than a 2.4 GHz device will. The laws of physics work in your favor. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Scott Carullo *Sent:* Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:52 PM *To:* Matt Hoppes; sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. Hard to tell, noise floor is noise floor which keeps creeping up - we all know things work better when its quiet. This used to worry me a lot when I saw it coming, but then I realized it was already there and I had no idea until I just happened to scan on some radios (I don't usually install the stuff). I'm not worried any more, if its not one thing it will be another any way. Thats what gives us the edge every day, flexibility. We will work around it, we always do. I figure a high gain antenna on a tower with a good directional CPE will continue to work fine. Their omni low gain antenna can't compete with a 20-30db directional one. Still sucks though, you drive down the street and see one after another running 5Ghz just knowing there probably isn't 3 connections in the whole city to them Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 -- *From*: Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com *Sent*: Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:43 PM *To*: sc...@brevardwireless.com sc...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Cc*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. Are you seeing any impact from them? On Nov 14, 2013, at 18:03, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com wrote: Yeah, won't matter either way with a 5Ghz AP on every street corner. Already seeing that in our areas do a wireless scan and you see 354 5Ghz APs now in addition to the 2Ghz ones (they run dual band APs now). Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 -- *From*: Bret Clark bcl...@spectraaccess.com *Sent*: Thursday, November 14, 2013 5:49 PM *To*: wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. What could go wrong with Comcast taking up yet more 5GHz of spectrum...[/sarcasm off] On 11/14/2013 01:40 PM, ralph wrote: I hope the links at the bottom come through. --- Comcast needs the FCC to open up the 5 GHz spectrum band to power next-generation Wi-Fi services that could allow it to deliver wireless broadband at speeds of up to 1 Gbps, SVP of Business Development Tom Nagel testified at a House Energy and Commerce hearing on Wednesday. Nagel disclosed in his prepared testimony that Comcast has expanded the number of Wi-Fi access points for Xfinity high-speed Internet customers to 350,000. The nation's largest cable MSO also began deploying wireless gateways from Cisco earlier this year that Comcast has said may be able to power millions of neighborhood hotspots. While Comcast already is already using the 5 GHz band, Nagel said it needs more of the unlicensed spectrum to meet demand from subscribers for Wi-Fi. It faces potential opposition from Toyota and other automobile manufacturers who want to use the 5 GHz band to deliver next-generation connected car applications, including applications that would warn drivers of collision threats. Toyota principal researcher John Kenney raised concerns about possible interference from Wi-Fi services at Wednesday's hearing. We have been actively engaged with the Wi-Fi community and other stakeholders who are exploring possible sharing solutions that will alleviate any risk of harmful interference from unlicensed devices. But we're not there yet and it's going to take a bit more time to see if we
Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
Anyideas on the cost? It would be a great addition to any aerial fiber built out Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Zach Mann Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 10:30 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. It's not just Comcast, TW, Cox are also taking advantage of the simplicity of the newer 7781-CM Access Point. They are offering free wifi to existing clients for retention. Down the road cellular offloading 802.11u On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:27 AM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.commailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: That's one way to avoid pole attachment fees! LOL. What is Comcast trying to accomplish with these? Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312tel:%2B1%20%28570%29%20723-7312 On 11/15/13, 9:26 AM, Zach Mann wrote: He's talking about these... (see attached) On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:01 AM, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.commailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.commailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com wrote: I'm not talking about the ones in peoples homes, I'm talking about the ones the cable carrier hangs on the lines outside runing through the city on every corner clear LOS to every tower around. Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 *From*: Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.commailto:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com mailto:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.commailto:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com *Sent*: Friday, November 15, 2013 8:24 AM *To*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. One good thing about the higher bands and the noise floor is that free space loss works to your advantage. That being that a 5 GHz indoor Omni home AP router signal will fall off as an interference source as a much shorter distance than a 2.4 GHz device will. The laws of physics work in your favor. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.comhttp://www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.comhttp://www.Broadband-Mapping.com http://www.Broadband-Mapping.com *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Scott Carullo *Sent:* Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:52 PM *To:* Matt Hoppes; sc...@brevardwireless.commailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.commailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. Hard to tell, noise floor is noise floor which keeps creeping up - we all know things work better when its quiet. This used to worry me a lot when I saw it coming, but then I realized it was already there and I had no idea until I just happened to scan on some radios (I don't usually install the stuff). I'm not worried any more, if its not one thing it will be another any way. Thats what gives us the edge every day, flexibility. We will work around it, we always do. I figure a high gain antenna on a tower with a good directional CPE will continue to work fine. Their omni low gain antenna can't compete with a 20-30db directional one. Still sucks though, you drive down the street and see one after another running 5Ghz just knowing there probably isn't 3 connections in the whole city to them Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 *From*: Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.commailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.commailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com *Sent*: Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:43 PM *To*: sc...@brevardwireless.commailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.commailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com sc...@brevardwireless.commailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.commailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org *Cc*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz
Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
How would you power it on fiber? Regards, Chuck On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 9:37 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Anyideas on the cost? It would be a great addition to any aerial fiber built out Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Zach Mann *Sent:* Friday, November 15, 2013 10:30 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. It's not just Comcast, TW, Cox are also taking advantage of the simplicity of the newer 7781-CM Access Point. They are offering free wifi to existing clients for retention. Down the road cellular offloading 802.11u On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:27 AM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: That's one way to avoid pole attachment fees! LOL. What is Comcast trying to accomplish with these? Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 11/15/13, 9:26 AM, Zach Mann wrote: He's talking about these... (see attached) On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:01 AM, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com wrote: I'm not talking about the ones in peoples homes, I'm talking about the ones the cable carrier hangs on the lines outside runing through the city on every corner clear LOS to every tower around. Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 *From*: Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com mailto:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com *Sent*: Friday, November 15, 2013 8:24 AM *To*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. One good thing about the higher bands and the noise floor is that free space loss works to your advantage. That being that a 5 GHz indoor Omni home AP router signal will fall off as an interference source as a much shorter distance than a 2.4 GHz device will. The laws of physics work in your favor. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com http://www.Broadband-Mapping.com *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Scott Carullo *Sent:* Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:52 PM *To:* Matt Hoppes; sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. Hard to tell, noise floor is noise floor which keeps creeping up - we all know things work better when its quiet. This used to worry me a lot when I saw it coming, but then I realized it was already there and I had no idea until I just happened to scan on some radios (I don't usually install the stuff). I'm not worried any more, if its not one thing it will be another any way. Thats what gives us the edge every day, flexibility. We will work around it, we always do. I figure a high gain antenna on a tower with a good directional CPE will continue to work fine. Their omni low gain antenna can't compete with a 20-30db directional one. Still sucks though, you drive down the street and see one after another running 5Ghz just knowing there probably isn't 3 connections in the whole city to them Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 *From*: Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com *Sent*: Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:43 PM *To*: sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Cc*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. Are you seeing any impact from them? On Nov 14, 2013, at 18:03, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com wrote: Yeah, won't matter either way with a 5Ghz AP on every street corner. Already seeing that in our areas do a wireless scan and you see 354 5Ghz APs now in addition to the 2Ghz ones (they run dual band APs now). Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102
Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
String some DC power along with the fiber? Maybe you put in coax for power since that apparently can be done? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 8:38:49 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. How would you power it on fiber? Regards, Chuck On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 9:37 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Anyideas on the cost? It would be a great addition to any aerial fiber built out Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Zach Mann Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 10:30 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. It's not just Comcast, TW, Cox are also taking advantage of the simplicity of the newer 7781-CM Access Point. They are offering free wifi to existing clients for retention. Down the road cellular offloading 802.11u On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:27 AM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: That's one way to avoid pole attachment fees! LOL. What is Comcast trying to accomplish with these? Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 11/15/13, 9:26 AM, Zach Mann wrote: He's talking about these... (see attached) On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:01 AM, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto: sc...@brevardwireless.com wrote: I'm not talking about the ones in peoples homes, I'm talking about the ones the cable carrier hangs on the lines outside runing through the city on every corner clear LOS to every tower around. Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 *From*: Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com mailto: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com *Sent*: Friday, November 15, 2013 8:24 AM *To*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto: wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. One good thing about the higher bands and the noise floor is that free space loss works to your advantage. That being that a 5 GHz indoor Omni home AP router signal will fall off as an interference source as a much shorter distance than a 2.4 GHz device will. The laws of physics work in your favor. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com http://www.Broadband-Mapping.com *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] *On Behalf Of *Scott Carullo *Sent:* Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:52 PM *To:* Matt Hoppes; sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto: sc...@brevardwireless.com ; WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. Hard to tell, noise floor is noise floor which keeps creeping up - we all know things work better when its quiet. This used to worry me a lot when I saw it coming, but then I realized it was already there and I had no idea until I just happened to scan on some radios (I don't usually install the stuff). I'm not worried any more, if its not one thing it will be another any way. Thats what gives us the edge every day, flexibility. We will work around it, we always do. I figure a high gain antenna on a tower with a good directional CPE will continue to work fine. Their omni low gain antenna can't compete with a 20-30db directional one. Still sucks though, you drive down the street and see one after another running 5Ghz just knowing there probably isn't 3 connections in the whole city to them Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 *From*: Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com mailto: mhop...@indigowireless.com *Sent*: Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:43 PM *To*: sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto: sc...@brevardwireless.com sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto: sc...@brevardwireless.com , WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto: wireless@wispa.org *Cc*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto: wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. Are you seeing any impact from them? On Nov 14, 2013, at 18:03, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto: sc...@brevardwireless.com wrote: Yeah, won't matter either way with a 5Ghz AP on every street corner. Already seeing that in our areas do a wireless scan and you see 354 5Ghz APs now in addition to the 2Ghz ones (they run dual band APs
Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
Very small solar cells? :) Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 11/15/13, 9:38 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote: How would you power it on fiber? Regards, Chuck On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 9:37 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Anyideas on the cost? It would be a great addition to any aerial fiber built out __ __ Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 tel:787.273.4143 *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Zach Mann *Sent:* Friday, November 15, 2013 10:30 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. __ __ It's not just Comcast, TW, Cox are also taking advantage of the simplicity of the newer 7781-CM Access Point. They are offering free wifi to existing clients for retention. Down the road cellular offloading 802.11u __ __ On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:27 AM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: That's one way to avoid pole attachment fees! LOL. What is Comcast trying to accomplish with these? Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 tel:%2B1%20%28570%29%20723-7312 On 11/15/13, 9:26 AM, Zach Mann wrote: He's talking about these... (see attached) On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:01 AM, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com wrote: I'm not talking about the ones in peoples homes, I'm talking about the ones the cable carrier hangs on the lines outside runing through the city on every corner clear LOS to every tower around. Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 *From*: Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com mailto:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com mailto:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com mailto:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com *Sent*: Friday, November 15, 2013 8:24 AM *To*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. One good thing about the higher bands and the noise floor is that free space loss works to your advantage. That being that a 5 GHz indoor Omni home AP router signal will fall off as an interference source as a much shorter distance than a 2.4 GHz device will. The laws of physics work in your favor. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com http://www.Broadband-Mapping.com http://www.Broadband-Mapping.com *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Scott Carullo *Sent:* Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:52 PM *To:* Matt Hoppes; sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. Hard to tell, noise floor is noise floor which keeps creeping up - we all know things work better when its quiet. This used to worry me a lot when I saw it coming, but then I realized it was already there and I had no idea until I just happened to scan on some radios (I don't usually install the stuff). I'm not worried any more, if its not one thing it will be another any way. Thats what gives us the edge every day, flexibility. We will work around it, we always do. I figure a high gain antenna on a tower with a good directional CPE will continue to work fine. Their omni low gain antenna can't compete with a 20-30db directional one. Still
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In our case, we hace a pole attachment agreement with the local power authority, they also offer a base AC service for pole devices Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Hogg Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 10:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. How would you power it on fiber? Regards, Chuck On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 9:37 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Anyideas on the cost? It would be a great addition to any aerial fiber built out Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143tel:787.273.4143 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Zach Mann Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 10:30 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. It's not just Comcast, TW, Cox are also taking advantage of the simplicity of the newer 7781-CM Access Point. They are offering free wifi to existing clients for retention. Down the road cellular offloading 802.11u On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:27 AM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.commailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: That's one way to avoid pole attachment fees! LOL. What is Comcast trying to accomplish with these? Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312tel:%2B1%20%28570%29%20723-7312 On 11/15/13, 9:26 AM, Zach Mann wrote: He's talking about these... (see attached) On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:01 AM, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.commailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.commailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com wrote: I'm not talking about the ones in peoples homes, I'm talking about the ones the cable carrier hangs on the lines outside runing through the city on every corner clear LOS to every tower around. Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 *From*: Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.commailto:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com mailto:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.commailto:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com *Sent*: Friday, November 15, 2013 8:24 AM *To*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. One good thing about the higher bands and the noise floor is that free space loss works to your advantage. That being that a 5 GHz indoor Omni home AP router signal will fall off as an interference source as a much shorter distance than a 2.4 GHz device will. The laws of physics work in your favor. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.comhttp://www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.comhttp://www.Broadband-Mapping.com http://www.Broadband-Mapping.com *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Scott Carullo *Sent:* Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:52 PM *To:* Matt Hoppes; sc...@brevardwireless.commailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.commailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. Hard to tell, noise floor is noise floor which keeps creeping up - we all know things work better when its quiet. This used to worry me a lot when I saw it coming, but then I realized it was already there and I had no idea until I just happened to scan on some radios (I don't usually install the stuff). I'm not worried any more, if its not one thing it will be another any way. Thats what gives us the edge every day, flexibility. We will work around it, we always do. I figure a high gain antenna on a tower with a good directional CPE will continue to work fine. Their omni low gain antenna can't compete with a 20-30db directional one. Still sucks though, you drive down the street and see one after another running 5Ghz just knowing there probably isn't 3 connections in the whole city to them Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 *From*: Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.commailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com
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The cable companies usually just over-lash coax over their fiber to get to the proposed AP's. For fiber only they make a fiber node accessory that piggy backs to the AP. Still need power though. On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:37 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Anyideas on the cost? It would be a great addition to any aerial fiber built out Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Zach Mann *Sent:* Friday, November 15, 2013 10:30 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. It's not just Comcast, TW, Cox are also taking advantage of the simplicity of the newer 7781-CM Access Point. They are offering free wifi to existing clients for retention. Down the road cellular offloading 802.11u On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:27 AM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: That's one way to avoid pole attachment fees! LOL. What is Comcast trying to accomplish with these? Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 11/15/13, 9:26 AM, Zach Mann wrote: He's talking about these... (see attached) On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:01 AM, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com wrote: I'm not talking about the ones in peoples homes, I'm talking about the ones the cable carrier hangs on the lines outside runing through the city on every corner clear LOS to every tower around. Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 *From*: Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com mailto:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com *Sent*: Friday, November 15, 2013 8:24 AM *To*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. One good thing about the higher bands and the noise floor is that free space loss works to your advantage. That being that a 5 GHz indoor Omni home AP router signal will fall off as an interference source as a much shorter distance than a 2.4 GHz device will. The laws of physics work in your favor. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com http://www.Broadband-Mapping.com *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Scott Carullo *Sent:* Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:52 PM *To:* Matt Hoppes; sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. Hard to tell, noise floor is noise floor which keeps creeping up - we all know things work better when its quiet. This used to worry me a lot when I saw it coming, but then I realized it was already there and I had no idea until I just happened to scan on some radios (I don't usually install the stuff). I'm not worried any more, if its not one thing it will be another any way. Thats what gives us the edge every day, flexibility. We will work around it, we always do. I figure a high gain antenna on a tower with a good directional CPE will continue to work fine. Their omni low gain antenna can't compete with a 20-30db directional one. Still sucks though, you drive down the street and see one after another running 5Ghz just knowing there probably isn't 3 connections in the whole city to them Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 *From*: Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com *Sent*: Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:43 PM *To*: sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Cc*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. Are you seeing any impact from them? On Nov 14, 2013, at 18:03, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com wrote: Yeah, won't matter either way with a 5Ghz AP on every street corner. Already seeing that in our areas do a wireless scan and you see 354 5Ghz APs now in addition to the 2Ghz ones (they run dual band APs now
Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
That's one way to avoid pole attachment fees! LOL. What is Comcast trying to accomplish with these? Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 11/15/13, 9:26 AM, Zach Mann wrote: He's talking about these... (see attached) On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:01 AM, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com wrote: I'm not talking about the ones in peoples homes, I'm talking about the ones the cable carrier hangs on the lines outside runing through the city on every corner clear LOS to every tower around. Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 *From*: Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com mailto:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com *Sent*: Friday, November 15, 2013 8:24 AM *To*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. One good thing about the higher bands and the noise floor is that free space loss works to your advantage. That being that a 5 GHz indoor Omni home AP router signal will fall off as an interference source as a much shorter distance than a 2.4 GHz device will. The laws of physics work in your favor. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com http://www.Broadband-Mapping.com *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Scott Carullo *Sent:* Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:52 PM *To:* Matt Hoppes; sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. Hard to tell, noise floor is noise floor which keeps creeping up - we all know things work better when its quiet. This used to worry me a lot when I saw it coming, but then I realized it was already there and I had no idea until I just happened to scan on some radios (I don't usually install the stuff). I'm not worried any more, if its not one thing it will be another any way. Thats what gives us the edge every day, flexibility. We will work around it, we always do. I figure a high gain antenna on a tower with a good directional CPE will continue to work fine. Their omni low gain antenna can't compete with a 20-30db directional one. Still sucks though, you drive down the street and see one after another running 5Ghz just knowing there probably isn't 3 connections in the whole city to them Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 *From*: Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com *Sent*: Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:43 PM *To*: sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Cc*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. Are you seeing any impact from them? On Nov 14, 2013, at 18:03, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com wrote: Yeah, won't matter either way with a 5Ghz AP on every street corner. Already seeing that in our areas do a wireless scan and you see 354 5Ghz APs now in addition to the 2Ghz ones (they run dual band APs now). Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 *From*: Bret Clark bcl...@spectraaccess.com mailto:bcl...@spectraaccess.com *Sent*: Thursday, November 14, 2013 5:49 PM *To*: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. What could go wrong with Comcast taking up yet more 5GHz of spectrum...[/sarcasm off] On 11/14/2013 01:40 PM, ralph wrote: I hope the links at the bottom come through. --- Comcast needs the FCC to open up the 5 GHz spectrum band to power next-generation Wi-Fi services that could allow it to deliver wireless broadband at speeds of up to 1 Gbps, SVP of Business Development Tom Nagel testified at a House Energy and Commerce hearing on Wednesday. Nagel disclosed in his
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http://www.ruckuswireless.com/press/releases/20130610-ruckus-adds-zoneflex-7781cm-access-point-to-its-portfolio $5k MSRP. Even at half that...ouch! On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:37 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Anyideas on the cost? It would be a great addition to any aerial fiber built out Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Zach Mann *Sent:* Friday, November 15, 2013 10:30 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. It's not just Comcast, TW, Cox are also taking advantage of the simplicity of the newer 7781-CM Access Point. They are offering free wifi to existing clients for retention. Down the road cellular offloading 802.11u On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:27 AM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: That's one way to avoid pole attachment fees! LOL. What is Comcast trying to accomplish with these? Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 11/15/13, 9:26 AM, Zach Mann wrote: He's talking about these... (see attached) On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:01 AM, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com wrote: I'm not talking about the ones in peoples homes, I'm talking about the ones the cable carrier hangs on the lines outside runing through the city on every corner clear LOS to every tower around. Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 *From*: Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com mailto:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com *Sent*: Friday, November 15, 2013 8:24 AM *To*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. One good thing about the higher bands and the noise floor is that free space loss works to your advantage. That being that a 5 GHz indoor Omni home AP router signal will fall off as an interference source as a much shorter distance than a 2.4 GHz device will. The laws of physics work in your favor. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com http://www.Broadband-Mapping.com *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Scott Carullo *Sent:* Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:52 PM *To:* Matt Hoppes; sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. Hard to tell, noise floor is noise floor which keeps creeping up - we all know things work better when its quiet. This used to worry me a lot when I saw it coming, but then I realized it was already there and I had no idea until I just happened to scan on some radios (I don't usually install the stuff). I'm not worried any more, if its not one thing it will be another any way. Thats what gives us the edge every day, flexibility. We will work around it, we always do. I figure a high gain antenna on a tower with a good directional CPE will continue to work fine. Their omni low gain antenna can't compete with a 20-30db directional one. Still sucks though, you drive down the street and see one after another running 5Ghz just knowing there probably isn't 3 connections in the whole city to them Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 *From*: Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com *Sent*: Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:43 PM *To*: sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Cc*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. Are you seeing any impact from them? On Nov 14, 2013, at 18:03, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com wrote: Yeah, won't matter either way with a 5Ghz AP on every street corner. Already seeing that in our areas do a wireless scan and you see 354 5Ghz APs now in addition to the 2Ghz ones (they run dual band APs now). Scott Carullo Technical Operations
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Ouch.. I think its easier to cobble up some outdoor unifi and a media converter... Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Eric Muehleisen Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 10:51 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. http://www.ruckuswireless.com/press/releases/20130610-ruckus-adds-zoneflex-7781cm-access-point-to-its-portfolio $5k MSRP. Even at half that...ouch! On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:37 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Anyideas on the cost? It would be a great addition to any aerial fiber built out Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143tel:787.273.4143 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Zach Mann Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 10:30 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. It's not just Comcast, TW, Cox are also taking advantage of the simplicity of the newer 7781-CM Access Point. They are offering free wifi to existing clients for retention. Down the road cellular offloading 802.11u On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:27 AM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.commailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: That's one way to avoid pole attachment fees! LOL. What is Comcast trying to accomplish with these? Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312tel:%2B1%20%28570%29%20723-7312 On 11/15/13, 9:26 AM, Zach Mann wrote: He's talking about these... (see attached) On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:01 AM, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.commailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.commailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com wrote: I'm not talking about the ones in peoples homes, I'm talking about the ones the cable carrier hangs on the lines outside runing through the city on every corner clear LOS to every tower around. Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 *From*: Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.commailto:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com mailto:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.commailto:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com *Sent*: Friday, November 15, 2013 8:24 AM *To*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. One good thing about the higher bands and the noise floor is that free space loss works to your advantage. That being that a 5 GHz indoor Omni home AP router signal will fall off as an interference source as a much shorter distance than a 2.4 GHz device will. The laws of physics work in your favor. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.comhttp://www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.comhttp://www.Broadband-Mapping.com http://www.Broadband-Mapping.com *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Scott Carullo *Sent:* Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:52 PM *To:* Matt Hoppes; sc...@brevardwireless.commailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.commailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. Hard to tell, noise floor is noise floor which keeps creeping up - we all know things work better when its quiet. This used to worry me a lot when I saw it coming, but then I realized it was already there and I had no idea until I just happened to scan on some radios (I don't usually install the stuff). I'm not worried any more, if its not one thing it will be another any way. Thats what gives us the edge every day, flexibility. We will work around it, we always do. I figure a high gain antenna on a tower with a good directional CPE will continue to work fine. Their omni low gain antenna can't compete with a 20-30db directional one. Still sucks though, you drive down the street and see one after another running 5Ghz just knowing there probably isn't 3 connections in the whole city to them Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 *From*: Matt Hoppes mhop
Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
traffic to be backhauled over the Hybrid Fiber Coaxial (HFC) cable plant Must be fiber for data and coax for DC. I thought it was DOCSIS over coax. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 9:51 AM, Eric Muehleisen ericm...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.ruckuswireless.com/press/releases/20130610-ruckus-adds-zoneflex-7781cm-access-point-to-its-portfolio $5k MSRP. Even at half that...ouch! On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:37 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Anyideas on the cost? It would be a great addition to any aerial fiber built out Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Zach Mann *Sent:* Friday, November 15, 2013 10:30 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. It's not just Comcast, TW, Cox are also taking advantage of the simplicity of the newer 7781-CM Access Point. They are offering free wifi to existing clients for retention. Down the road cellular offloading 802.11u On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:27 AM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: That's one way to avoid pole attachment fees! LOL. What is Comcast trying to accomplish with these? Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 11/15/13, 9:26 AM, Zach Mann wrote: He's talking about these... (see attached) On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:01 AM, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com wrote: I'm not talking about the ones in peoples homes, I'm talking about the ones the cable carrier hangs on the lines outside runing through the city on every corner clear LOS to every tower around. Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 *From*: Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com mailto:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com *Sent*: Friday, November 15, 2013 8:24 AM *To*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. One good thing about the higher bands and the noise floor is that free space loss works to your advantage. That being that a 5 GHz indoor Omni home AP router signal will fall off as an interference source as a much shorter distance than a 2.4 GHz device will. The laws of physics work in your favor. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com http://www.Broadband-Mapping.com *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Scott Carullo *Sent:* Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:52 PM *To:* Matt Hoppes; sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. Hard to tell, noise floor is noise floor which keeps creeping up - we all know things work better when its quiet. This used to worry me a lot when I saw it coming, but then I realized it was already there and I had no idea until I just happened to scan on some radios (I don't usually install the stuff). I'm not worried any more, if its not one thing it will be another any way. Thats what gives us the edge every day, flexibility. We will work around it, we always do. I figure a high gain antenna on a tower with a good directional CPE will continue to work fine. Their omni low gain antenna can't compete with a 20-30db directional one. Still sucks though, you drive down the street and see one after another running 5Ghz just knowing there probably isn't 3 connections in the whole city to them Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 *From*: Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com *Sent*: Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:43 PM *To*: sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Cc*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. Are you seeing any impact from them? On Nov 14, 2013, at 18:03, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com
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It just means that they have their own fiber over-lashed with their coax infrastructure. The cable television HFC architecture consists of five major components: 1. the headend; 2. optical fiber; 3. feeder cable; 4. drop cable; and 5. terminal equipment. 6. On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:56 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: traffic to be backhauled over the Hybrid Fiber Coaxial (HFC) cable plant Must be fiber for data and coax for DC. I thought it was DOCSIS over coax. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 9:51 AM, Eric Muehleisen ericm...@gmail.comwrote: http://www.ruckuswireless.com/press/releases/20130610-ruckus-adds-zoneflex-7781cm-access-point-to-its-portfolio $5k MSRP. Even at half that...ouch! On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:37 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.comwrote: Anyideas on the cost? It would be a great addition to any aerial fiber built out Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Zach Mann *Sent:* Friday, November 15, 2013 10:30 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. It's not just Comcast, TW, Cox are also taking advantage of the simplicity of the newer 7781-CM Access Point. They are offering free wifi to existing clients for retention. Down the road cellular offloading 802.11u On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:27 AM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: That's one way to avoid pole attachment fees! LOL. What is Comcast trying to accomplish with these? Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 11/15/13, 9:26 AM, Zach Mann wrote: He's talking about these... (see attached) On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:01 AM, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com wrote: I'm not talking about the ones in peoples homes, I'm talking about the ones the cable carrier hangs on the lines outside runing through the city on every corner clear LOS to every tower around. Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 *From*: Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com mailto:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com *Sent*: Friday, November 15, 2013 8:24 AM *To*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. One good thing about the higher bands and the noise floor is that free space loss works to your advantage. That being that a 5 GHz indoor Omni home AP router signal will fall off as an interference source as a much shorter distance than a 2.4 GHz device will. The laws of physics work in your favor. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com http://www.Broadband-Mapping.com *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Scott Carullo *Sent:* Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:52 PM *To:* Matt Hoppes; sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. Hard to tell, noise floor is noise floor which keeps creeping up - we all know things work better when its quiet. This used to worry me a lot when I saw it coming, but then I realized it was already there and I had no idea until I just happened to scan on some radios (I don't usually install the stuff). I'm not worried any more, if its not one thing it will be another any way. Thats what gives us the edge every day, flexibility. We will work around it, we always do. I figure a high gain antenna on a tower with a good directional CPE will continue to work fine. Their omni low gain antenna can't compete with a 20-30db directional one. Still sucks though, you drive down the street and see one after another running 5Ghz just knowing there probably isn't 3 connections in the whole city to them Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 *From*: Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com *Sent*: Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:43 PM *To*: sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA
Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
Headend Fiber Node Coax Plant On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 9:00 AM, Zach Mann zma...@gmail.com wrote: It just means that they have their own fiber over-lashed with their coax infrastructure. The cable television HFC architecture consists of five major components: 1. the headend; 2. optical fiber; 3. feeder cable; 4. drop cable; and 5. terminal equipment. 6. On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:56 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: traffic to be backhauled over the Hybrid Fiber Coaxial (HFC) cable plant Must be fiber for data and coax for DC. I thought it was DOCSIS over coax. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 9:51 AM, Eric Muehleisen ericm...@gmail.comwrote: http://www.ruckuswireless.com/press/releases/20130610-ruckus-adds-zoneflex-7781cm-access-point-to-its-portfolio $5k MSRP. Even at half that...ouch! On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:37 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.comwrote: Anyideas on the cost? It would be a great addition to any aerial fiber built out Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Zach Mann *Sent:* Friday, November 15, 2013 10:30 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. It's not just Comcast, TW, Cox are also taking advantage of the simplicity of the newer 7781-CM Access Point. They are offering free wifi to existing clients for retention. Down the road cellular offloading 802.11u On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:27 AM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: That's one way to avoid pole attachment fees! LOL. What is Comcast trying to accomplish with these? Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 11/15/13, 9:26 AM, Zach Mann wrote: He's talking about these... (see attached) On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:01 AM, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com wrote: I'm not talking about the ones in peoples homes, I'm talking about the ones the cable carrier hangs on the lines outside runing through the city on every corner clear LOS to every tower around. Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 *From*: Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com mailto:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com *Sent*: Friday, November 15, 2013 8:24 AM *To*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. One good thing about the higher bands and the noise floor is that free space loss works to your advantage. That being that a 5 GHz indoor Omni home AP router signal will fall off as an interference source as a much shorter distance than a 2.4 GHz device will. The laws of physics work in your favor. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com http://www.Broadband-Mapping.com *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Scott Carullo *Sent:* Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:52 PM *To:* Matt Hoppes; sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. Hard to tell, noise floor is noise floor which keeps creeping up - we all know things work better when its quiet. This used to worry me a lot when I saw it coming, but then I realized it was already there and I had no idea until I just happened to scan on some radios (I don't usually install the stuff). I'm not worried any more, if its not one thing it will be another any way. Thats what gives us the edge every day, flexibility. We will work around it, we always do. I figure a high gain antenna on a tower with a good directional CPE will continue to work fine. Their omni low gain antenna can't compete with a 20-30db directional one. Still sucks though, you drive down the street and see one after another running 5Ghz just knowing there probably isn't 3 connections in the whole city to them Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 *From*: Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com *Sent*: Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:43 PM *To*: sc...@brevardwireless.com
Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
Spectrum trashers At least if there's no traffic on them there shouldn't be much noise.. On 11/15/2013 06:26 AM, Zach Mann wrote: He's talking about these... (see attached) On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:01 AM, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com wrote: I'm not talking about the ones in peoples homes, I'm talking about the ones the cable carrier hangs on the lines outside runing through the city on every corner clear LOS to every tower around. Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 *From*: Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com mailto:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com *Sent*: Friday, November 15, 2013 8:24 AM *To*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. One good thing about the higher bands and the noise floor is that free space loss works to your advantage. That being that a 5 GHz indoor Omni home AP router signal will fall off as an interference source as a much shorter distance than a 2.4 GHz device will. The laws of physics work in your favor. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com http://www.Broadband-Mapping.com *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Scott Carullo *Sent:* Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:52 PM *To:* Matt Hoppes; sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. Hard to tell, noise floor is noise floor which keeps creeping up - we all know things work better when its quiet. This used to worry me a lot when I saw it coming, but then I realized it was already there and I had no idea until I just happened to scan on some radios (I don't usually install the stuff). I'm not worried any more, if its not one thing it will be another any way. Thats what gives us the edge every day, flexibility. We will work around it, we always do. I figure a high gain antenna on a tower with a good directional CPE will continue to work fine. Their omni low gain antenna can't compete with a 20-30db directional one. Still sucks though, you drive down the street and see one after another running 5Ghz just knowing there probably isn't 3 connections in the whole city to them Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 *From*: Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com *Sent*: Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:43 PM *To*: sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Cc*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. Are you seeing any impact from them? On Nov 14, 2013, at 18:03, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com wrote: Yeah, won't matter either way with a 5Ghz AP on every street corner. Already seeing that in our areas do a wireless scan and you see 354 5Ghz APs now in addition to the 2Ghz ones (they run dual band APs now). Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 *From*: Bret Clark bcl...@spectraaccess.com mailto:bcl...@spectraaccess.com *Sent*: Thursday, November 14, 2013 5:49 PM *To*: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. What could go wrong with Comcast taking up yet more 5GHz of spectrum...[/sarcasm off] On 11/14/2013 01:40 PM, ralph wrote: I hope the links at the bottom come through. --- Comcast needs the FCC to open up the 5 GHz spectrum band to power next-generation Wi-Fi services that could allow it to deliver wireless broadband at speeds of up to 1 Gbps, SVP of Business Development Tom Nagel testified at a House Energy and Commerce hearing on Wednesday
Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
Yes and no... I mean... yeah it's a pain to those of us trying to use the spectrum... but then again so is Comcast. This is exactly why there needs to be some sort of WISP only spectrum... with laws carefully written so Comcast can't just say they are a WISP. Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 11/15/13, 11:02 AM, Robert wrote: Spectrum trashers At least if there's no traffic on them there shouldn't be much noise.. On 11/15/2013 06:26 AM, Zach Mann wrote: He's talking about these... (see attached) On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:01 AM, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com wrote: I'm not talking about the ones in peoples homes, I'm talking about the ones the cable carrier hangs on the lines outside runing through the city on every corner clear LOS to every tower around. Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 *From*: Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com mailto:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com *Sent*: Friday, November 15, 2013 8:24 AM *To*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. One good thing about the higher bands and the noise floor is that free space loss works to your advantage. That being that a 5 GHz indoor Omni home AP router signal will fall off as an interference source as a much shorter distance than a 2.4 GHz device will. The laws of physics work in your favor. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com http://www.Broadband-Mapping.com *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Scott Carullo *Sent:* Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:52 PM *To:* Matt Hoppes; sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. Hard to tell, noise floor is noise floor which keeps creeping up - we all know things work better when its quiet. This used to worry me a lot when I saw it coming, but then I realized it was already there and I had no idea until I just happened to scan on some radios (I don't usually install the stuff). I'm not worried any more, if its not one thing it will be another any way. Thats what gives us the edge every day, flexibility. We will work around it, we always do. I figure a high gain antenna on a tower with a good directional CPE will continue to work fine. Their omni low gain antenna can't compete with a 20-30db directional one. Still sucks though, you drive down the street and see one after another running 5Ghz just knowing there probably isn't 3 connections in the whole city to them Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 *From*: Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com *Sent*: Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:43 PM *To*: sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Cc*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. Are you seeing any impact from them? On Nov 14, 2013, at 18:03, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com wrote: Yeah, won't matter either way with a 5Ghz AP on every street corner. Already seeing that in our areas do a wireless scan and you see 354 5Ghz APs now in addition to the 2Ghz ones (they run dual band APs now). Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 *From*: Bret Clark bcl...@spectraaccess.com mailto:bcl...@spectraaccess.com *Sent*: Thursday, November 14, 2013 5:49 PM *To*: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. What could go wrong with Comcast taking up yet more 5GHz of spectrum...[/sarcasm off] On 11/14/2013 01:40 PM, ralph wrote: I hope the links at the bottom come through
Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
And then you have this... http://www.aglmediagroup.com/joint-use-power-poles-raise-safety-issues/ Regards, Chuck On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 11:04 AM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.comwrote: Yes and no... I mean... yeah it's a pain to those of us trying to use the spectrum... but then again so is Comcast. This is exactly why there needs to be some sort of WISP only spectrum... with laws carefully written so Comcast can't just say they are a WISP. Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 11/15/13, 11:02 AM, Robert wrote: Spectrum trashers At least if there's no traffic on them there shouldn't be much noise.. On 11/15/2013 06:26 AM, Zach Mann wrote: He's talking about these... (see attached) On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:01 AM, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com wrote: I'm not talking about the ones in peoples homes, I'm talking about the ones the cable carrier hangs on the lines outside runing through the city on every corner clear LOS to every tower around. Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 *From*: Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com mailto:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com *Sent*: Friday, November 15, 2013 8:24 AM *To*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. One good thing about the higher bands and the noise floor is that free space loss works to your advantage. That being that a 5 GHz indoor Omni home AP router signal will fall off as an interference source as a much shorter distance than a 2.4 GHz device will. The laws of physics work in your favor. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com http://www.Broadband-Mapping.com *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Scott Carullo *Sent:* Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:52 PM *To:* Matt Hoppes; sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. Hard to tell, noise floor is noise floor which keeps creeping up - we all know things work better when its quiet. This used to worry me a lot when I saw it coming, but then I realized it was already there and I had no idea until I just happened to scan on some radios (I don't usually install the stuff). I'm not worried any more, if its not one thing it will be another any way. Thats what gives us the edge every day, flexibility. We will work around it, we always do. I figure a high gain antenna on a tower with a good directional CPE will continue to work fine. Their omni low gain antenna can't compete with a 20-30db directional one. Still sucks though, you drive down the street and see one after another running 5Ghz just knowing there probably isn't 3 connections in the whole city to them Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 *From*: Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com *Sent*: Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:43 PM *To*: sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto: wireless@wispa.org *Cc*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. Are you seeing any impact from them? On Nov 14, 2013, at 18:03, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com wrote: Yeah, won't matter either way with a 5Ghz AP on every street corner. Already seeing that in our areas do a wireless scan and you see 354 5Ghz APs now in addition to the 2Ghz ones (they run dual band APs now). Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 *From*: Bret Clark bcl...@spectraaccess.com mailto:bcl...@spectraaccess.com *Sent*: Thursday, November 14, 2013 5:49 PM *To*: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC
Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
Coming from the WISP side, I asked them why they have these blasting at full power, 24/7 when the zone director surely could manage power levels when needed. I didn't get a answer. I don't think they even gave it a thought about who they might interfere with. On Friday, November 15, 2013, Robert wrote: Spectrum trashers At least if there's no traffic on them there shouldn't be much noise.. On 11/15/2013 06:26 AM, Zach Mann wrote: He's talking about these... (see attached) On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:01 AM, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com javascript:; mailto: sc...@brevardwireless.com javascript:; wrote: I'm not talking about the ones in peoples homes, I'm talking about the ones the cable carrier hangs on the lines outside runing through the city on every corner clear LOS to every tower around. Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 *From*: Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com javascript:; mailto:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com javascript:; *Sent*: Friday, November 15, 2013 8:24 AM *To*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org javascript:; mailto:wireless@wispa.org javascript:; *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. One good thing about the higher bands and the noise floor is that free space loss works to your advantage. That being that a 5 GHz indoor Omni home AP router signal will fall off as an interference source as a much shorter distance than a 2.4 GHz device will. The laws of physics work in your favor. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com http://www.Broadband-Mapping.com *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org javascript:; mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org javascript:; [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org javascript:; mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org javascript:;] *On Behalf Of *Scott Carullo *Sent:* Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:52 PM *To:* Matt Hoppes; sc...@brevardwireless.com javascript:; mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com javascript:;; WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. Hard to tell, noise floor is noise floor which keeps creeping up - we all know things work better when its quiet. This used to worry me a lot when I saw it coming, but then I realized it was already there and I had no idea until I just happened to scan on some radios (I don't usually install the stuff). I'm not worried any more, if its not one thing it will be another any way. Thats what gives us the edge every day, flexibility. We will work around it, we always do. I figure a high gain antenna on a tower with a good directional CPE will continue to work fine. Their omni low gain antenna can't compete with a 20-30db directional one. Still sucks though, you drive down the street and see one after another running 5Ghz just knowing there probably isn't 3 connections in the whole city to them Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 *From*: Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com javascript:; mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com javascript:; *Sent*: Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:43 PM *To*: sc...@brevardwireless.com javascript:; mailto: sc...@brevardwireless.com javascript:; sc...@brevardwireless.com javascript:; mailto: sc...@brevardwireless.com javascript:;, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org javascript:; mailto: wireless@wispa.org javascript:; *Cc*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org javascript:; mailto:wireless@wispa.org javascript:; *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. Are you seeing any impact from them? On Nov 14, 2013, at 18:03, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com javascript:; mailto: sc...@brevardwireless.com javascript:; wrote: Yeah, won't matter either way with a 5Ghz AP on every street corner. Already seeing that in our areas do a wireless scan and you see 354 5Ghz APs now in addition to the 2Ghz ones (they run dual band APs now). Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 *From*: Bret Clark bcl...@spectraaccess.com javascript:; mailto:bcl...@spectraaccess.com javascript:; *Sent*: Thursday, November 14, 2013 5:49 PM *To*: wireless@wispa.org javascript:; mailto: wireless@wispa.org javascript:; *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast
Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
How would you 'legally' define a WISP? What would make Comcast 'not a WISP', if they are delivering Internet over Wireless? If it's that they also deliver Internet over another medium, would we (and many other providers) also be excluded because we also deliver Internet over cable and fiber? If it's that they also provide TV service, then what about those of us that also run transport, hosting, development, and infrastructure services (examples among doubtless myriad others). Not that I wouldn't love some protected spectrum, I'm just having a hard time imagining anything that would prevent Comcast and the like from using it, while not also excluding quite a few of us. --Eric -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 8:04 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. Yes and no... I mean... yeah it's a pain to those of us trying to use the spectrum... but then again so is Comcast. This is exactly why there needs to be some sort of WISP only spectrum... with laws carefully written so Comcast can't just say they are a WISP. Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 11/15/13, 11:02 AM, Robert wrote: Spectrum trashers At least if there's no traffic on them there shouldn't be much noise.. On 11/15/2013 06:26 AM, Zach Mann wrote: He's talking about these... (see attached) On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:01 AM, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com wrote: I'm not talking about the ones in peoples homes, I'm talking about the ones the cable carrier hangs on the lines outside runing through the city on every corner clear LOS to every tower around. Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 *From*: Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com mailto:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com *Sent*: Friday, November 15, 2013 8:24 AM *To*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. One good thing about the higher bands and the noise floor is that free space loss works to your advantage. That being that a 5 GHz indoor Omni home AP router signal will fall off as an interference source as a much shorter distance than a 2.4 GHz device will. The laws of physics work in your favor. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com http://www.Broadband-Mapping.com *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Scott Carullo *Sent:* Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:52 PM *To:* Matt Hoppes; sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. Hard to tell, noise floor is noise floor which keeps creeping up - we all know things work better when its quiet. This used to worry me a lot when I saw it coming, but then I realized it was already there and I had no idea until I just happened to scan on some radios (I don't usually install the stuff). I'm not worried any more, if its not one thing it will be another any way. Thats what gives us the edge every day, flexibility. We will work around it, we always do. I figure a high gain antenna on a tower with a good directional CPE will continue to work fine. Their omni low gain antenna can't compete with a 20-30db directional one. Still sucks though, you drive down the street and see one after another running 5Ghz just knowing there probably isn't 3 connections in the whole city to them Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 *From*: Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com *Sent*: Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:43 PM *To*: sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Cc*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. Are you seeing any impact from them? On Nov 14, 2013, at 18:03, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com wrote: Yeah, won't matter either way with a 5Ghz AP
Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
Of course they gave it a thought... Hmmm I wonder when we can get some of these with even more power?It's a snatch and grab... If they can chase everyone away, it's theirs On 11/15/2013 08:18 AM, Zach Mann wrote: Coming from the WISP side, I asked them why they have these blasting at full power, 24/7 when the zone director surely could manage power levels when needed. I didn't get a answer. I don't think they even gave it a thought about who they might interfere with. On Friday, November 15, 2013, Robert wrote: Spectrum trashers At least if there's no traffic on them there shouldn't be much noise.. On 11/15/2013 06:26 AM, Zach Mann wrote: He's talking about these... (see attached) On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:01 AM, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com javascript:; mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com javascript:; wrote: I'm not talking about the ones in peoples homes, I'm talking about the ones the cable carrier hangs on the lines outside runing through the city on every corner clear LOS to every tower around. Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 *From*: Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com javascript:; mailto:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com javascript:; *Sent*: Friday, November 15, 2013 8:24 AM *To*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org javascript:; mailto:wireless@wispa.org javascript:; *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. One good thing about the higher bands and the noise floor is that free space loss works to your advantage. That being that a 5 GHz indoor Omni home AP router signal will fall off as an interference source as a much shorter distance than a 2.4 GHz device will. The laws of physics work in your favor. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com http://www.Broadband-Mapping.com http://www.Broadband-Mapping.com *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org javascript:; mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org javascript:; [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org javascript:; mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org javascript:;] *On Behalf Of *Scott Carullo *Sent:* Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:52 PM *To:* Matt Hoppes; sc...@brevardwireless.com javascript:; mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com javascript:;; WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. Hard to tell, noise floor is noise floor which keeps creeping up - we all know things work better when its quiet. This used to worry me a lot when I saw it coming, but then I realized it was already there and I had no idea until I just happened to scan on some radios (I don't usually install the stuff). I'm not worried any more, if its not one thing it will be another any way. Thats what gives us the edge every day, flexibility. We will work around it, we always do. I figure a high gain antenna on a tower with a good directional CPE will continue to work fine. Their omni low gain antenna can't compete with a 20-30db directional one. Still sucks though, you drive down the street and see one after another running 5Ghz just knowing there probably isn't 3 connections in the whole city to them Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 *From*: Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com javascript:; mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com javascript:; *Sent*: Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:43 PM *To*: sc...@brevardwireless.com javascript:; mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com javascript:; sc...@brevardwireless.com javascript:; mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com javascript:;, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org javascript:; mailto:wireless@wispa.org javascript:; *Cc*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org javascript:; mailto:wireless@wispa.org javascript:; *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. Are you seeing any impact from them? On Nov 14, 2013, at 18:03, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com javascript:; mailto:sc
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Right... I as well.. that's why I don't know what the answer is. Everyone's in this game, but some just play (seemingly) unfair... for example, it doesn't help anyone when you just go throwing up APs on cable plants and blasting all over the town. On the other hand Comcast may say it doesn't make sence for you (the WISP) to go sticking these high gain antennas up on the tower and covering the town! Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 11/15/13, 11:19 AM, Eric Flanery wrote: How would you 'legally' define a WISP? What would make Comcast 'not a WISP', if they are delivering Internet over Wireless? If it's that they also deliver Internet over another medium, would we (and many other providers) also be excluded because we also deliver Internet over cable and fiber? If it's that they also provide TV service, then what about those of us that also run transport, hosting, development, and infrastructure services (examples among doubtless myriad others). Not that I wouldn't love some protected spectrum, I'm just having a hard time imagining anything that would prevent Comcast and the like from using it, while not also excluding quite a few of us. --Eric -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 8:04 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. Yes and no... I mean... yeah it's a pain to those of us trying to use the spectrum... but then again so is Comcast. This is exactly why there needs to be some sort of WISP only spectrum... with laws carefully written so Comcast can't just say they are a WISP. Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 11/15/13, 11:02 AM, Robert wrote: Spectrum trashers At least if there's no traffic on them there shouldn't be much noise.. On 11/15/2013 06:26 AM, Zach Mann wrote: He's talking about these... (see attached) On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:01 AM, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com wrote: I'm not talking about the ones in peoples homes, I'm talking about the ones the cable carrier hangs on the lines outside runing through the city on every corner clear LOS to every tower around. Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 *From*: Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com mailto:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com *Sent*: Friday, November 15, 2013 8:24 AM *To*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. One good thing about the higher bands and the noise floor is that free space loss works to your advantage. That being that a 5 GHz indoor Omni home AP router signal will fall off as an interference source as a much shorter distance than a 2.4 GHz device will. The laws of physics work in your favor. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com http://www.Broadband-Mapping.com *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Scott Carullo *Sent:* Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:52 PM *To:* Matt Hoppes; sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. Hard to tell, noise floor is noise floor which keeps creeping up - we all know things work better when its quiet. This used to worry me a lot when I saw it coming, but then I realized it was already there and I had no idea until I just happened to scan on some radios (I don't usually install the stuff). I'm not worried any more, if its not one thing it will be another any way. Thats what gives us the edge every day, flexibility. We will work around it, we always do. I figure a high gain antenna on a tower with a good directional CPE will continue to work fine. Their omni low gain antenna can't compete with a 20-30db directional one. Still sucks though, you drive down the street and see one after another running 5Ghz just knowing there probably isn't 3 connections in the whole city to them Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 *From*: Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com *Sent
Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
Oh btw, even tho COMPANY A deploys these AP's and broadcasts their own SSID, doesn't mean the other players in town can't pay COMPANY A for their own SSID for their subscribers. :) It will be interesting to see how this all develops. On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 10:25 AM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.comwrote: Right... I as well.. that's why I don't know what the answer is. Everyone's in this game, but some just play (seemingly) unfair... for example, it doesn't help anyone when you just go throwing up APs on cable plants and blasting all over the town. On the other hand Comcast may say it doesn't make sence for you (the WISP) to go sticking these high gain antennas up on the tower and covering the town! Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 11/15/13, 11:19 AM, Eric Flanery wrote: How would you 'legally' define a WISP? What would make Comcast 'not a WISP', if they are delivering Internet over Wireless? If it's that they also deliver Internet over another medium, would we (and many other providers) also be excluded because we also deliver Internet over cable and fiber? If it's that they also provide TV service, then what about those of us that also run transport, hosting, development, and infrastructure services (examples among doubtless myriad others). Not that I wouldn't love some protected spectrum, I'm just having a hard time imagining anything that would prevent Comcast and the like from using it, while not also excluding quite a few of us. --Eric -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 8:04 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. Yes and no... I mean... yeah it's a pain to those of us trying to use the spectrum... but then again so is Comcast. This is exactly why there needs to be some sort of WISP only spectrum... with laws carefully written so Comcast can't just say they are a WISP. Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 11/15/13, 11:02 AM, Robert wrote: Spectrum trashers At least if there's no traffic on them there shouldn't be much noise.. On 11/15/2013 06:26 AM, Zach Mann wrote: He's talking about these... (see attached) On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:01 AM, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com wrote: I'm not talking about the ones in peoples homes, I'm talking about the ones the cable carrier hangs on the lines outside runing through the city on every corner clear LOS to every tower around. Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 *From*: Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com mailto:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com *Sent*: Friday, November 15, 2013 8:24 AM *To*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. One good thing about the higher bands and the noise floor is that free space loss works to your advantage. That being that a 5 GHz indoor Omni home AP router signal will fall off as an interference source as a much shorter distance than a 2.4 GHz device will. The laws of physics work in your favor. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com http://www.Broadband-Mapping.com *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Scott Carullo *Sent:* Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:52 PM *To:* Matt Hoppes; sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. Hard to tell, noise floor is noise floor which keeps creeping up - we all know things work better when its quiet. This used to worry me a lot when I saw it coming, but then I realized it was already there and I had no idea until I just happened to scan on some radios (I don't usually install the stuff). I'm not worried any more, if its not one thing it will be another any way. Thats what gives us the edge every day, flexibility. We will work around it, we always do. I figure a high gain antenna on a tower with a good directional CPE will continue to work fine. Their omni low gain antenna can't compete with a 20-30db directional one. Still sucks though, you
Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
This is true... it also doesn't mean that COMPANY B can't deploy APs with COMPANY A's SSID and then charge or something wait... I didn't say that. On 11/15/13, 11:40 AM, Zach Mann wrote: Oh btw, even tho COMPANY A deploys these AP's and broadcasts their own SSID, doesn't mean the other players in town can't pay COMPANY A for their own SSID for their subscribers. :) It will be interesting to see how this all develops. On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 10:25 AM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: Right... I as well.. that's why I don't know what the answer is. Everyone's in this game, but some just play (seemingly) unfair... for example, it doesn't help anyone when you just go throwing up APs on cable plants and blasting all over the town. On the other hand Comcast may say it doesn't make sence for you (the WISP) to go sticking these high gain antennas up on the tower and covering the town! Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 tel:%2B1%20%28570%29%20723-7312 On 11/15/13, 11:19 AM, Eric Flanery wrote: How would you 'legally' define a WISP? What would make Comcast 'not a WISP', if they are delivering Internet over Wireless? If it's that they also deliver Internet over another medium, would we (and many other providers) also be excluded because we also deliver Internet over cable and fiber? If it's that they also provide TV service, then what about those of us that also run transport, hosting, development, and infrastructure services (examples among doubtless myriad others). Not that I wouldn't love some protected spectrum, I'm just having a hard time imagining anything that would prevent Comcast and the like from using it, while not also excluding quite a few of us. --Eric -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 8:04 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. Yes and no... I mean... yeah it's a pain to those of us trying to use the spectrum... but then again so is Comcast. This is exactly why there needs to be some sort of WISP only spectrum... with laws carefully written so Comcast can't just say they are a WISP. Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 tel:%2B1%20%28570%29%20723-7312 On 11/15/13, 11:02 AM, Robert wrote: Spectrum trashers At least if there's no traffic on them there shouldn't be much noise.. On 11/15/2013 06:26 AM, Zach Mann wrote: He's talking about these... (see attached) On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:01 AM, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com wrote: I'm not talking about the ones in peoples homes, I'm talking about the ones the cable carrier hangs on the lines outside runing through the city on every corner clear LOS to every tower around. Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 *From*: Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com mailto:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com mailto:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com mailto:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com *Sent*: Friday, November 15, 2013 8:24 AM *To*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. One good thing about the higher bands and the noise floor is that free space loss works to your advantage. That being that a 5 GHz indoor Omni home AP router signal will fall off as an interference source as a much shorter distance than a 2.4 GHz device will. The laws of physics work in your favor. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com http://www.Broadband-Mapping.com http://www.Broadband-Mapping.com *From:*wireless-boun
Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
Having had the privilege of living through PGE's rollout of 900MHz smart meters we will be impacted, it's just hard to say how much. The PGE smart meters were essentially unity gain at full power. When it got into the 10's of thousands the AP saw -60dB across the board at 10 miles from the nearest smart meter. With 5GHz, we have a much higher FSL and there will not be nearly as many withing a given sector. Making a few assumptions here: Pole AP is 27dB into a 6dB omni at 30' off the ground WISP sector antenna is 17dB at 200' off the ground At 1 mile the WISP AP is going to see ~60dB. If comcast does succeed in getting more 5GHz spectrum, it will be good for us as well as it will spread the noise out a bit lowering overall noise. Better come up with a plan now as we will be affected. Comcast, like PGE is going to tell you they are in compliance and to call their lawyers On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:25 AM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.comwrote: Right... I as well.. that's why I don't know what the answer is. Everyone's in this game, but some just play (seemingly) unfair... for example, it doesn't help anyone when you just go throwing up APs on cable plants and blasting all over the town. On the other hand Comcast may say it doesn't make sence for you (the WISP) to go sticking these high gain antennas up on the tower and covering the town! Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 11/15/13, 11:19 AM, Eric Flanery wrote: How would you 'legally' define a WISP? What would make Comcast 'not a WISP', if they are delivering Internet over Wireless? If it's that they also deliver Internet over another medium, would we (and many other providers) also be excluded because we also deliver Internet over cable and fiber? If it's that they also provide TV service, then what about those of us that also run transport, hosting, development, and infrastructure services (examples among doubtless myriad others). Not that I wouldn't love some protected spectrum, I'm just having a hard time imagining anything that would prevent Comcast and the like from using it, while not also excluding quite a few of us. --Eric -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 8:04 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. Yes and no... I mean... yeah it's a pain to those of us trying to use the spectrum... but then again so is Comcast. This is exactly why there needs to be some sort of WISP only spectrum... with laws carefully written so Comcast can't just say they are a WISP. Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 11/15/13, 11:02 AM, Robert wrote: Spectrum trashers At least if there's no traffic on them there shouldn't be much noise.. On 11/15/2013 06:26 AM, Zach Mann wrote: He's talking about these... (see attached) On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:01 AM, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com wrote: I'm not talking about the ones in peoples homes, I'm talking about the ones the cable carrier hangs on the lines outside runing through the city on every corner clear LOS to every tower around. Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 *From*: Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com mailto:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com *Sent*: Friday, November 15, 2013 8:24 AM *To*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. One good thing about the higher bands and the noise floor is that free space loss works to your advantage. That being that a 5 GHz indoor Omni home AP router signal will fall off as an interference source as a much shorter distance than a 2.4 GHz device will. The laws of physics work in your favor. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com http://www.Broadband-Mapping.com *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Scott Carullo *Sent:* Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:52 PM *To:* Matt Hoppes; sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. Hard to tell, noise floor is noise floor which keeps creeping up - we all know things work better when
Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
We can only hope for A/C 80MHz channels to spread the signal way out but also pollute more. The ridiculous thing is 5GHz doesn't go through buildings... what is Comcast attempting to do here? Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 11/15/13, 11:46 AM, Jerry Richardson (airCloud) wrote: Having had the privilege of living through PGE's rollout of 900MHz smart meters we will be impacted, it's just hard to say how much. The PGE smart meters were essentially unity gain at full power. When it got into the 10's of thousands the AP saw -60dB across the board at 10 miles from the nearest smart meter. With 5GHz, we have a much higher FSL and there will not be nearly as many withing a given sector. Making a few assumptions here: Pole AP is 27dB into a 6dB omni at 30' off the ground WISP sector antenna is 17dB at 200' off the ground At 1 mile the WISP AP is going to see ~60dB. If comcast does succeed in getting more 5GHz spectrum, it will be good for us as well as it will spread the noise out a bit lowering overall noise. Better come up with a plan now as we will be affected. Comcast, like PGE is going to tell you they are in compliance and to call their lawyers On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:25 AM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: Right... I as well.. that's why I don't know what the answer is. Everyone's in this game, but some just play (seemingly) unfair... for example, it doesn't help anyone when you just go throwing up APs on cable plants and blasting all over the town. On the other hand Comcast may say it doesn't make sence for you (the WISP) to go sticking these high gain antennas up on the tower and covering the town! Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 tel:%2B1%20%28570%29%20723-7312 On 11/15/13, 11:19 AM, Eric Flanery wrote: How would you 'legally' define a WISP? What would make Comcast 'not a WISP', if they are delivering Internet over Wireless? If it's that they also deliver Internet over another medium, would we (and many other providers) also be excluded because we also deliver Internet over cable and fiber? If it's that they also provide TV service, then what about those of us that also run transport, hosting, development, and infrastructure services (examples among doubtless myriad others). Not that I wouldn't love some protected spectrum, I'm just having a hard time imagining anything that would prevent Comcast and the like from using it, while not also excluding quite a few of us. --Eric -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 8:04 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. Yes and no... I mean... yeah it's a pain to those of us trying to use the spectrum... but then again so is Comcast. This is exactly why there needs to be some sort of WISP only spectrum... with laws carefully written so Comcast can't just say they are a WISP. Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 tel:%2B1%20%28570%29%20723-7312 On 11/15/13, 11:02 AM, Robert wrote: Spectrum trashers At least if there's no traffic on them there shouldn't be much noise.. On 11/15/2013 06:26 AM, Zach Mann wrote: He's talking about these... (see attached) On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:01 AM, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com wrote: I'm not talking about the ones in peoples homes, I'm talking about the ones the cable carrier hangs on the lines outside runing through the city on every corner clear LOS to every tower around. Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 *From*: Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com mailto:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com mailto:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com mailto:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com *Sent*: Friday, November 15, 2013 8:24 AM *To*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re
Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
They are doing exactly what airCloud is doing for Muni WiFi. Put up AP's that cover 90% outside. Put $100 repeaters in the window as needed. On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:48 AM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.comwrote: We can only hope for A/C 80MHz channels to spread the signal way out but also pollute more. The ridiculous thing is 5GHz doesn't go through buildings... what is Comcast attempting to do here? Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 11/15/13, 11:46 AM, Jerry Richardson (airCloud) wrote: Having had the privilege of living through PGE's rollout of 900MHz smart meters we will be impacted, it's just hard to say how much. The PGE smart meters were essentially unity gain at full power. When it got into the 10's of thousands the AP saw -60dB across the board at 10 miles from the nearest smart meter. With 5GHz, we have a much higher FSL and there will not be nearly as many withing a given sector. Making a few assumptions here: Pole AP is 27dB into a 6dB omni at 30' off the ground WISP sector antenna is 17dB at 200' off the ground At 1 mile the WISP AP is going to see ~60dB. If comcast does succeed in getting more 5GHz spectrum, it will be good for us as well as it will spread the noise out a bit lowering overall noise. Better come up with a plan now as we will be affected. Comcast, like PGE is going to tell you they are in compliance and to call their lawyers On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:25 AM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: Right... I as well.. that's why I don't know what the answer is. Everyone's in this game, but some just play (seemingly) unfair... for example, it doesn't help anyone when you just go throwing up APs on cable plants and blasting all over the town. On the other hand Comcast may say it doesn't make sence for you (the WISP) to go sticking these high gain antennas up on the tower and covering the town! Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 tel:%2B1%20%28570%29%20723-7312 On 11/15/13, 11:19 AM, Eric Flanery wrote: How would you 'legally' define a WISP? What would make Comcast 'not a WISP', if they are delivering Internet over Wireless? If it's that they also deliver Internet over another medium, would we (and many other providers) also be excluded because we also deliver Internet over cable and fiber? If it's that they also provide TV service, then what about those of us that also run transport, hosting, development, and infrastructure services (examples among doubtless myriad others). Not that I wouldn't love some protected spectrum, I'm just having a hard time imagining anything that would prevent Comcast and the like from using it, while not also excluding quite a few of us. --Eric -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 8:04 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. Yes and no... I mean... yeah it's a pain to those of us trying to use the spectrum... but then again so is Comcast. This is exactly why there needs to be some sort of WISP only spectrum... with laws carefully written so Comcast can't just say they are a WISP. Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 tel:%2B1%20%28570%29%20723-7312 On 11/15/13, 11:02 AM, Robert wrote: Spectrum trashers At least if there's no traffic on them there shouldn't be much noise.. On 11/15/2013 06:26 AM, Zach Mann wrote: He's talking about these... (see attached) On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:01 AM, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com wrote: I'm not talking about the ones in peoples homes, I'm talking about the ones the cable carrier hangs on the lines outside runing through the city on every corner clear LOS to every tower around. Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 *From*: Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com mailto:bwebs
Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
HFC is what almost all cable is in the US. The exceptions being old analog systems that haven't been touched for 20 years. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 8:56:16 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. traffic to be backhauled over the Hybrid Fiber Coaxial (HFC) cable plant Must be fiber for data and coax for DC. I thought it was DOCSIS over coax. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 9:51 AM, Eric Muehleisen ericm...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.ruckuswireless.com/press/releases/20130610-ruckus-adds-zoneflex-7781cm-access-point-to-its-portfolio $5k MSRP. Even at half that...ouch! On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:37 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: blockquote Anyideas on the cost? It would be a great addition to any aerial fiber built out Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Zach Mann Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 10:30 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. It's not just Comcast, TW, Cox are also taking advantage of the simplicity of the newer 7781-CM Access Point. They are offering free wifi to existing clients for retention. Down the road cellular offloading 802.11u On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:27 AM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: That's one way to avoid pole attachment fees! LOL. What is Comcast trying to accomplish with these? Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 11/15/13, 9:26 AM, Zach Mann wrote: He's talking about these... (see attached) On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:01 AM, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto: sc...@brevardwireless.com wrote: I'm not talking about the ones in peoples homes, I'm talking about the ones the cable carrier hangs on the lines outside runing through the city on every corner clear LOS to every tower around. Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 *From*: Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com mailto: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com *Sent*: Friday, November 15, 2013 8:24 AM *To*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto: wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. One good thing about the higher bands and the noise floor is that free space loss works to your advantage. That being that a 5 GHz indoor Omni home AP router signal will fall off as an interference source as a much shorter distance than a 2.4 GHz device will. The laws of physics work in your favor. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com http://www.Broadband-Mapping.com *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] *On Behalf Of *Scott Carullo *Sent:* Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:52 PM *To:* Matt Hoppes; sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto: sc...@brevardwireless.com ; WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. Hard to tell, noise floor is noise floor which keeps creeping up - we all know things work better when its quiet. This used to worry me a lot when I saw it coming, but then I realized it was already there and I had no idea until I just happened to scan on some radios (I don't usually install the stuff). I'm not worried any more, if its not one thing it will be another any way. Thats what gives us the edge every day, flexibility. We will work around it, we always do. I figure a high gain antenna on a tower with a good directional CPE will continue to work fine. Their omni low gain antenna can't compete with a 20-30db directional one. Still sucks though, you drive down the street and see one after another running 5Ghz just knowing there probably isn't 3 connections in the whole city to them Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 *From*: Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com mailto: mhop...@indigowireless.com *Sent*: Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:43 PM *To*: sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto: sc...@brevardwireless.com sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto: sc...@brevardwireless.com , WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto: wireless@wispa.org *Cc*: WISPA General List wireless
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I believe the H block of PCS will be up for auction soon. T-Mobile and Sprint have already vowed to not bid. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 10:04:12 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. Yes and no... I mean... yeah it's a pain to those of us trying to use the spectrum... but then again so is Comcast. This is exactly why there needs to be some sort of WISP only spectrum... with laws carefully written so Comcast can't just say they are a WISP. Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 11/15/13, 11:02 AM, Robert wrote: Spectrum trashers At least if there's no traffic on them there shouldn't be much noise.. On 11/15/2013 06:26 AM, Zach Mann wrote: He's talking about these... (see attached) On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:01 AM, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com wrote: I'm not talking about the ones in peoples homes, I'm talking about the ones the cable carrier hangs on the lines outside runing through the city on every corner clear LOS to every tower around. Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 *From*: Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com mailto:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com *Sent*: Friday, November 15, 2013 8:24 AM *To*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. One good thing about the higher bands and the noise floor is that free space loss works to your advantage. That being that a 5 GHz indoor Omni home AP router signal will fall off as an interference source as a much shorter distance than a 2.4 GHz device will. The laws of physics work in your favor. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com http://www.Broadband-Mapping.com *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Scott Carullo *Sent:* Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:52 PM *To:* Matt Hoppes; sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. Hard to tell, noise floor is noise floor which keeps creeping up - we all know things work better when its quiet. This used to worry me a lot when I saw it coming, but then I realized it was already there and I had no idea until I just happened to scan on some radios (I don't usually install the stuff). I'm not worried any more, if its not one thing it will be another any way. Thats what gives us the edge every day, flexibility. We will work around it, we always do. I figure a high gain antenna on a tower with a good directional CPE will continue to work fine. Their omni low gain antenna can't compete with a 20-30db directional one. Still sucks though, you drive down the street and see one after another running 5Ghz just knowing there probably isn't 3 connections in the whole city to them Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 *From*: Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com *Sent*: Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:43 PM *To*: sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Cc*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. Are you seeing any impact from them? On Nov 14, 2013, at 18:03, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com wrote: Yeah, won't matter either way with a 5Ghz AP on every street corner. Already seeing that in our areas do a wireless scan and you see 354 5Ghz APs now in addition to the 2Ghz ones (they run dual band APs now). Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 *From*: Bret Clark bcl...@spectraaccess.com mailto:bcl...@spectraaccess.com *Sent*: Thursday, November 14, 2013 5:49 PM *To*: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. What could go wrong with Comcast taking up yet more 5GHz of spectrum...[/sarcasm off] On 11/14/2013 01:40 PM, ralph wrote: I hope the links at the bottom
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I bid a lot of the RF work on these networks two years ago with another company (they got greedy on the bid, didn't win). They are building these networks to offer the fixed broadband customers a mobility component to help reduce churn with the cord cutting mentality crowd. If the low bandwidth users can do everything over their cell phone data plan, why would they need the cable company and cable internet? Now if they have FREE mobile data coverage in most of the places they go as part of their home broadband connection, it offers some added benefit and helps reduce their churn, which is part of the cost justification model for them. Given they don't have to pay any backhaul or pole rental costs for these, they only have the hardware, labor and power investment. They are using capital money they received from selling spectrum to Verizon a couple of years ago (a group of cable companies had a block of spectrum). These devices are clearly capable of multiple SSID's so another possible revenue stream will be to go to the cellular companies and offer their own SSID for cellular data network offload. Since these cable companies are building a large footprint per carrier in the most dense cellular data consumption markets, they have the best chance of making that type of program work. They will have the critical mass of network coverage to get the cell companies to want to pay for this offload rather than let the customer worry about it. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 11:48 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. We can only hope for A/C 80MHz channels to spread the signal way out but also pollute more. The ridiculous thing is 5GHz doesn't go through buildings... what is Comcast attempting to do here? Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 11/15/13, 11:46 AM, Jerry Richardson (airCloud) wrote: Having had the privilege of living through PGE's rollout of 900MHz smart meters we will be impacted, it's just hard to say how much. The PGE smart meters were essentially unity gain at full power. When it got into the 10's of thousands the AP saw -60dB across the board at 10 miles from the nearest smart meter. With 5GHz, we have a much higher FSL and there will not be nearly as many withing a given sector. Making a few assumptions here: Pole AP is 27dB into a 6dB omni at 30' off the ground WISP sector antenna is 17dB at 200' off the ground At 1 mile the WISP AP is going to see ~60dB. If comcast does succeed in getting more 5GHz spectrum, it will be good for us as well as it will spread the noise out a bit lowering overall noise. Better come up with a plan now as we will be affected. Comcast, like PGE is going to tell you they are in compliance and to call their lawyers On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:25 AM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: Right... I as well.. that's why I don't know what the answer is. Everyone's in this game, but some just play (seemingly) unfair... for example, it doesn't help anyone when you just go throwing up APs on cable plants and blasting all over the town. On the other hand Comcast may say it doesn't make sence for you (the WISP) to go sticking these high gain antennas up on the tower and covering the town! Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 tel:%2B1%20%28570%29%20723-7312 On 11/15/13, 11:19 AM, Eric Flanery wrote: How would you 'legally' define a WISP? What would make Comcast 'not a WISP', if they are delivering Internet over Wireless? If it's that they also deliver Internet over another medium, would we (and many other providers) also be excluded because we also deliver Internet over cable and fiber? If it's that they also provide TV service, then what about those of us that also run transport, hosting, development, and infrastructure services (examples among doubtless myriad others). Not that I wouldn't love some protected spectrum, I'm just having a hard time imagining anything that would prevent Comcast and the like from using it, while not also excluding quite a few of us. --Eric -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 8:04 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. Yes and no... I mean... yeah it's a pain
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I'm curious... is there any legal protection on open WiFi for SSID names? Every ATT device there is tries to connect to ATT WiFi (or whatever SSID they use) and you could setup your device with same SSID as someone else and cause issues. I'm just curious from a legal standpoint since its unlicensed no rules on SSID names what are the consequences Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 From: Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 11:45 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. This is true... it also doesn't mean that COMPANY B can't deploy APs with COMPANY A's SSID and then charge or something wait... I didn't say that. On 11/15/13, 11:40 AM, Zach Mann wrote: Oh btw, even tho COMPANY A deploys these AP's and broadcasts their own SSID, doesn't mean the other players in town can't pay COMPANY A for their own SSID for their subscribers. :) It will be interesting to see how this all develops. On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 10:25 AM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: Right... I as well.. that's why I don't know what the answer is. Everyone's in this game, but some just play (seemingly) unfair... for example, it doesn't help anyone when you just go throwing up APs on cable plants and blasting all over the town. On the other hand Comcast may say it doesn't make sence for you (the WISP) to go sticking these high gain antennas up on the tower and covering the town! Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 tel:%2B1%20%28570%29%20723-7312 On 11/15/13, 11:19 AM, Eric Flanery wrote: How would you 'legally' define a WISP? What would make Comcast 'not a WISP', if they are delivering Internet over Wireless? If it's that they also deliver Internet over another medium, would we (and many other providers) also be excluded because we also deliver Internet over cable and fiber? If it's that they also provide TV service, then what about those of us that also run transport, hosting, development, and infrastructure services (examples among doubtless myriad others). Not that I wouldn't love some protected spectrum, I'm just having a hard time imagining anything that would prevent Comcast and the like from using it, while not also excluding quite a few of us. --Eric -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 8:04 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. Yes and no... I mean... yeah it's a pain to those of us trying to use the spectrum... but then again so is Comcast. This is exactly why there needs to be some sort of WISP only spectrum... with laws carefully written so Comcast can't just say they are a WISP. Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 tel:%2B1%20%28570%29%20723-7312 On 11/15/13, 11:02 AM, Robert wrote: Spectrum trashers At least if there's no traffic on them there shouldn't be much noise.. On 11/15/2013 06:26 AM, Zach Mann wrote: He's talking about these... (see attached) On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:01 AM, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com wrote: I'm not talking about the ones in peoples homes, I'm talking about the ones the cable carrier hangs on the lines outside runing through the city on every corner clear LOS to every tower around. Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 *From*: Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com mailto:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com mailto:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com mailto:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com *Sent*: Friday, November 15, 2013 8:24 AM *To*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. One good thing about the higher bands and the noise floor
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Attach all the customers within blocks using their security services that don't have cable pulled. Or similar. Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 From: Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 11:48 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. We can only hope for A/C 80MHz channels to spread the signal way out but also pollute more. The ridiculous thing is 5GHz doesn't go through buildings... what is Comcast attempting to do here? Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 11/15/13, 11:46 AM, Jerry Richardson (airCloud) wrote: Having had the privilege of living through PGE's rollout of 900MHz smart meters we will be impacted, it's just hard to say how much. The PGE smart meters were essentially unity gain at full power. When it got into the 10's of thousands the AP saw -60dB across the board at 10 miles from the nearest smart meter. With 5GHz, we have a much higher FSL and there will not be nearly as many withing a given sector. Making a few assumptions here: Pole AP is 27dB into a 6dB omni at 30' off the ground WISP sector antenna is 17dB at 200' off the ground At 1 mile the WISP AP is going to see ~60dB. If comcast does succeed in getting more 5GHz spectrum, it will be good for us as well as it will spread the noise out a bit lowering overall noise. Better come up with a plan now as we will be affected. Comcast, like PGE is going to tell you they are in compliance and to call their lawyers On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:25 AM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: Right... I as well.. that's why I don't know what the answer is. Everyone's in this game, but some just play (seemingly) unfair... for example, it doesn't help anyone when you just go throwing up APs on cable plants and blasting all over the town. On the other hand Comcast may say it doesn't make sence for you (the WISP) to go sticking these high gain antennas up on the tower and covering the town! Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 tel:%2B1%20%28570%29%20723-7312 On 11/15/13, 11:19 AM, Eric Flanery wrote: How would you 'legally' define a WISP? What would make Comcast 'not a WISP', if they are delivering Internet over Wireless? If it's that they also deliver Internet over another medium, would we (and many other providers) also be excluded because we also deliver Internet over cable and fiber? If it's that they also provide TV service, then what about those of us that also run transport, hosting, development, and infrastructure services (examples among doubtless myriad others). Not that I wouldn't love some protected spectrum, I'm just having a hard time imagining anything that would prevent Comcast and the like from using it, while not also excluding quite a few of us. --Eric -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 8:04 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. Yes and no... I mean... yeah it's a pain to those of us trying to use the spectrum... but then again so is Comcast. This is exactly why there needs to be some sort of WISP only spectrum... with laws carefully written so Comcast can't just say they are a WISP. Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 tel:%2B1%20%28570%29%20723-7312 On 11/15/13, 11:02 AM, Robert wrote: Spectrum trashers At least if there's no traffic on them there shouldn't be much noise.. On 11/15/2013 06:26 AM, Zach Mann wrote: He's talking about these... (see attached) On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:01 AM, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com wrote: I'm not talking about the ones in peoples homes, I'm talking about the ones the cable carrier hangs on the lines outside runing through the city on every corner clear LOS to every tower around. Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 *From*: Brian
Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
They gave it a though... thats why they are full power ;) Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 From: Zach Mann zma...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 11:19 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. Coming from the WISP side, I asked them why they have these blasting at full power, 24/7 when the zone director surely could manage power levels when needed. I didn't get a answer. I don't think they even gave it a thought about who they might interfere with. On Friday, November 15, 2013, Robert wrote: Spectrum trashers At least if there's no traffic on them there shouldn't be much noise.. On 11/15/2013 06:26 AM, Zach Mann wrote: He's talking about these... (see attached) On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:01 AM, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com wrote: I'm not talking about the ones in peoples homes, I'm talking about the ones the cable carrier hangs on the lines outside runing through the city on every corner clear LOS to every tower around. Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 *From*: Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com mailto:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com *Sent*: Friday, November 15, 2013 8:24 AM *To*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. One good thing about the higher bands and the noise floor is that free space loss works to your advantage. That being that a 5 GHz indoor Omni home AP router signal will fall off as an interference source as a much shorter distance than a 2.4 GHz device will. The laws of physics work in your favor. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com http://www.Broadband-Mapping.com *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Scott Carullo *Sent:* Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:52 PM *To:* Matt Hoppes; sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. Hard to tell, noise floor is noise floor which keeps creeping up - we all know things work better when its quiet. This used to worry me a lot when I saw it coming, but then I realized it was already there and I had no idea until I just happened to scan on some radios (I don't usually install the stuff). I'm not worried any more, if its not one thing it will be another any way. Thats what gives us the edge every day, flexibility. We will work around it, we always do. I figure a high gain antenna on a tower with a good directional CPE will continue to work fine. Their omni low gain antenna can't compete with a 20-30db directional one. Still sucks though, you drive down the street and see one after another running 5Ghz just knowing there probably isn't 3 connections in the whole city to them Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 *From*: Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com *Sent*: Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:43 PM *To*: sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Cc*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. Are you seeing any impact from them? On Nov 14, 2013, at 18:03, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com wrote: Yeah, won't matter either way with a 5Ghz AP on every street corner. Already seeing that in our areas do a wireless scan and you see 354 5Ghz APs now in addition to the 2Ghz ones (they run dual band APs now). Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 *From*: Bret Clark bcl...@spectraaccess.com mailto:bcl...@spectraaccess.com *Sent*: Thursday, November 14, 2013 5:49 PM *To*: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. What could go wrong with Comcast taking up yet more 5GHz
Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
The Cisco ones have RRM (Radio Resource Manager), which will throttle the power down based on how strongly the APs hear each other. There are up to 7 different power levels. Not sure if Ruckus is that sophisticated, since they are actually really autonomous APs just checking in to the zone director. Sort of just like UniFi. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Zach Mann Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 11:19 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. Coming from the WISP side, I asked them why they have these blasting at full power, 24/7 when the zone director surely could manage power levels when needed. I didn't get a answer. I don't think they even gave it a thought about who they might interfere with. On Friday, November 15, 2013, Robert wrote: Spectrum trashers At least if there's no traffic on them there shouldn't be much noise.. On 11/15/2013 06:26 AM, Zach Mann wrote: He's talking about these... (see attached) On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:01 AM, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com javascript:; mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com javascript:; wrote: I'm not talking about the ones in peoples homes, I'm talking about the ones the cable carrier hangs on the lines outside runing through the city on every corner clear LOS to every tower around. Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 *From*: Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com javascript:; mailto:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com javascript:; *Sent*: Friday, November 15, 2013 8:24 AM *To*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org javascript:; mailto:wireless@wispa.org javascript:; *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. One good thing about the higher bands and the noise floor is that free space loss works to your advantage. That being that a 5 GHz indoor Omni home AP router signal will fall off as an interference source as a much shorter distance than a 2.4 GHz device will. The laws of physics work in your favor. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com http://www.Broadband-Mapping.com http://www.Broadband-Mapping.com *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org javascript:; mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org javascript:; [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org javascript:; mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org javascript:; ] *On Behalf Of *Scott Carullo *Sent:* Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:52 PM *To:* Matt Hoppes; sc...@brevardwireless.com javascript:; mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com javascript:; ; WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. Hard to tell, noise floor is noise floor which keeps creeping up - we all know things work better when its quiet. This used to worry me a lot when I saw it coming, but then I realized it was already there and I had no idea until I just happened to scan on some radios (I don't usually install the stuff). I'm not worried any more, if its not one thing it will be another any way. Thats what gives us the edge every day, flexibility. We will work around it, we always do. I figure a high gain antenna on a tower with a good directional CPE will continue to work fine. Their omni low gain antenna can't compete with a 20-30db directional one. Still sucks though, you drive down the street and see one after another running 5Ghz just knowing there probably isn't 3 connections in the whole city to them Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 *From*: Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com javascript:; mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com javascript:; *Sent*: Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:43 PM *To*: sc...@brevardwireless.com javascript:; mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com javascript:; sc...@brevardwireless.com javascript:; mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com javascript:; , WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org javascript:; mailto:wireless@wispa.org javascript:; *Cc*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org javascript:; mailto:wireless@wispa.org javascript:; *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. Are you seeing any impact from them? On Nov 14, 2013, at 18:03, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com javascript:; mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com javascript:; wrote: Yeah, won't matter either way with a 5Ghz AP on every street corner. Already seeing that in our areas do a wireless scan and you see 354 5Ghz APs now
Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
nods to Zach- I've been building outdoor wireless (mostly mesh) networks since about 2002. When I worked for Earthlink in 2006 and 2007 and deployed about 7 large Muni systems (12,000 APs in Philly for example), it was an open system. Anyone (including a WISP) who had the up-front $$ could get an SSID and be handed off their traffic. We had SSIDs for Vonage and DirectV as others. Several local towns here also installed various (mostly Cisco) Cisco mesh systems. Then they chose an ISP to power them. The later company I was with (a small WISP, not Earthlink) was chosen in two of the towns. We were handed an Ethernet cable. On the other end of that cable were all the residences and businesses in town that the Muni system passed. Pretty sweet. Back years ago when the WISPS on the lists were worrying about the Muni systems, you may remember that I promoted a don't fight 'em, join 'em strategy. Very few did. Now of course it is different because the Cablecos realized they could do it too. They have the (almost) unlimited wired backhaul, the access rights, the strand provided 60-90v power, and the DEEP pockets. This is why Cisco even stayed in the outdoor AP business at all. Their mesh did not perform well. But who needs mesh if you can make every AP a root (wired) access point. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Zach Mann Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 11:41 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. Oh btw, even tho COMPANY A deploys these AP's and broadcasts their own SSID, doesn't mean the other players in town can't pay COMPANY A for their own SSID for their subscribers. :) It will be interesting to see how this all develops. On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 10:25 AM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: Right... I as well.. that's why I don't know what the answer is. Everyone's in this game, but some just play (seemingly) unfair... for example, it doesn't help anyone when you just go throwing up APs on cable plants and blasting all over the town. On the other hand Comcast may say it doesn't make sence for you (the WISP) to go sticking these high gain antennas up on the tower and covering the town! Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 tel:%2B1%20%28570%29%20723-7312 On 11/15/13, 11:19 AM, Eric Flanery wrote: How would you 'legally' define a WISP? What would make Comcast 'not a WISP', if they are delivering Internet over Wireless? If it's that they also deliver Internet over another medium, would we (and many other providers) also be excluded because we also deliver Internet over cable and fiber? If it's that they also provide TV service, then what about those of us that also run transport, hosting, development, and infrastructure services (examples among doubtless myriad others). Not that I wouldn't love some protected spectrum, I'm just having a hard time imagining anything that would prevent Comcast and the like from using it, while not also excluding quite a few of us. --Eric -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 8:04 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. Yes and no... I mean... yeah it's a pain to those of us trying to use the spectrum... but then again so is Comcast. This is exactly why there needs to be some sort of WISP only spectrum... with laws carefully written so Comcast can't just say they are a WISP. Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 tel:%2B1%20%28570%29%20723-7312 On 11/15/13, 11:02 AM, Robert wrote: Spectrum trashers At least if there's no traffic on them there shouldn't be much noise.. On 11/15/2013 06:26 AM, Zach Mann wrote: He's talking about these... (see attached) On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:01 AM, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com wrote: I'm not talking about the ones in peoples homes, I'm talking about the ones the cable carrier hangs on the lines outside runing through the city on every corner clear LOS to every tower around. Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 *From*: Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com mailto:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com mailto:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com mailto:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com *Sent*: Friday, November 15, 2013 8:24 AM *To*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless
Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
They are not trying to penetrate indoors. That is where their SMB team
rolls in and installs indoor APs for free.
On Friday, November 15, 2013, ralph wrote:
They will not be using CPEs (repeaters) as far as I know. It already
penetrates pretty well indoors. (2.4, remember?) It just doesn’t doo well
above the 2nd or 3rd floor.
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*Sent:* Friday, November 15, 2013 11:51 AM
*To:* WISPA General List
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
They are doing exactly what airCloud is doing for Muni WiFi. Put up AP's
that cover 90% outside. Put $100 repeaters in the window as needed.
On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:48 AM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com
wrote:
We can only hope for A/C 80MHz channels to spread the signal way out
but also pollute more.
The ridiculous thing is 5GHz doesn't go through buildings... what is
Comcast attempting to do here?
Matt Hoppes
Director of Information Technology
Indigo Wireless
+1 (570) 723-7312
On 11/15/13, 11:46 AM, Jerry Richardson (airCloud) wrote:
Having had the privilege of living through PGE's rollout of 900MHz
smart meters we will be impacted, it's just hard to say how much.
The PGE smart meters were essentially unity gain at full power. When it
got into the 10's of thousands the AP saw -60dB across the board at 10
miles from the nearest smart meter. With 5GHz, we have a much higher FSL
and there will not be nearly as many withing a given sector.
Making a few assumptions here:
Pole AP is 27dB into a 6dB omni at 30' off the ground
WISP sector antenna is 17dB at 200' off the ground
At 1 mile the WISP AP is going to see ~60dB.
If comcast does succeed in getting more 5GHz spectrum, it will be good
for us as well as it will spread the noise out a bit lowering overall
noise.
Better come up with a plan now as we will be affected. Comcast, like
PGE is going to tell you they are in compliance and to call their
lawyers
On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:25 AM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com
mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote:
Right... I as well.. that's why I don't know what the answer is.
Everyone's in this game, but some just play (seemingly) unfair... for
example, it doesn't help anyone when you just go throwing up APs on
cable plants and blasting all over the town.
On the other hand Comcast may say it doesn't make sence for you (the
WISP) to go sticking these high gain antennas up on the tower and
covering the town!
Matt Hoppes
Director of Information Technology
Indigo Wireless
+1 (570) 723-7312 tel:%2B1%20%28570%29%20723-7312
On 11/15/13, 11:19 AM, Eric Flanery wrote:
How would you 'legally' define a WISP?
What would make Comcast 'not a WISP', if they are delivering
Internet over Wireless?
If it's that they also deliver Internet over another medium,
would we (and many other providers) also be excluded because we also
deliver Internet over cable and fiber?
If it's that they also provide TV service, then what about those
of us that also run transport, hosting, development, and
infrastructure services (examples among doubtless myriad others).
Not that I wouldn't love some protected spectrum, I'm just having
a hard time imagining anything that would prevent Comcast and the
like from using it, while not also excluding quite a few of us.
--Eric
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Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
They are not trying to penetrate indoors. That is where their SMB team
rolls in and installs indoor APs for free.
On Friday, November 15, 2013, ralph wrote:
They will not be using CPEs (repeaters) as far as I know. It already
penetrates pretty well indoors. (2.4, remember?) It just doesn’t doo well
above the 2nd or 3rd floor.
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*On Behalf Of *Jerry Richardson (airCloud)
*Sent:* Friday, November 15, 2013 11:51 AM
*To:* WISPA General List
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
They are doing exactly what airCloud is doing for Muni WiFi. Put up AP's
that cover 90% outside. Put $100 repeaters in the window as needed.
On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:48 AM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com
wrote:
We can only hope for A/C 80MHz channels to spread the signal way out
but also pollute more.
The ridiculous thing is 5GHz doesn't go through buildings... what is
Comcast attempting to do here?
Matt Hoppes
Director of Information Technology
Indigo Wireless
+1 (570) 723-7312
On 11/15/13, 11:46 AM, Jerry Richardson (airCloud) wrote:
Having had the privilege of living through PGE's rollout of 900MHz
smart meters we will be impacted, it's just hard to say how much.
The PGE smart meters were essentially unity gain at full power. When it
got into the 10's of thousands the AP saw -60dB across the board at 10
miles from the nearest smart meter. With 5GHz, we have a much higher FSL
and there will not be nearly as many withing a given sector.
Making a few assumptions here:
Pole AP is 27dB into a 6dB omni at 30' off the ground
WISP sector antenna is 17dB at 200' off the ground
At 1 mile the WISP AP is going to see ~60dB.
If comcast does succeed in getting more 5GHz spectrum, it will be good
for us as well as it will spread the noise out a bit lowering overall
noise.
Better come up with a plan now as we will be affected. Comcast, like
PGE is going to tell you they are in compliance and to call their
lawyers
On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:25 AM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com
mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote:
Right... I as well.. that's why I don't know what the answer is.
Everyone's in this game, but some just play (seemingly) unfair... for
example, it doesn't help anyone when you just go throwing up APs on
cable plants and blasting all over the town.
On the other hand Comcast may say it doesn't make sence for you (the
WISP) to go sticking these high gain antennas up on the tower and
covering the town!
Matt Hoppes
Director of Information Technology
Indigo Wireless
+1 (570) 723-7312 tel:%2B1%20%28570%29%20723-7312
On 11/15/13, 11:19 AM, Eric Flanery wrote:
How would you 'legally' define a WISP?
What would make Comcast 'not a WISP', if they are delivering
Internet over Wireless?
If it's that they also deliver Internet over another medium,
would we (and many other providers) also be excluded because we also
deliver Internet over cable and fiber?
If it's that they also provide TV service, then what about those
of us that also run transport, hosting, development, and
infrastructure services (examples among doubtless myriad others).
Not that I wouldn't love some protected spectrum, I'm just having
a hard time imagining anything that would prevent Comcast and the
like from using it, while not also excluding quite a few of us.
--Eric
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Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
I am SO, so glad I am rural!!! -- On 11/15/2013 8:57 PM, ralph wrote: nods to Zach- I've been building outdoor wireless (mostly mesh) networks since about 2002. When I worked for Earthlink in 2006 and 2007 and deployed about 7 large Muni systems (12,000 APs in Philly for example), it was an open system. Anyone (including a WISP) who had the up-front $$ could get an SSID and be handed off their traffic. We had SSIDs for Vonage and DirectV as others. Several local towns here also installed various (mostly Cisco) Cisco mesh systems. Then they chose an ISP to power them. The later company I was with (a small WISP, not Earthlink) was chosen in two of the towns. We were handed an Ethernet cable. On the other end of that cable were all the residences and businesses in town that the Muni system passed. Pretty sweet. Back years ago when the WISPS on the lists were worrying about the Muni systems, you may remember that I promoted a don't fight 'em, join 'em strategy. Very few did. Now of course it is different because the Cablecos realized they could do it too. They have the (almost) unlimited wired backhaul, the access rights, the strand provided 60-90v power, and the DEEP pockets. This is why Cisco even stayed in the outdoor AP business at all. Their mesh did not perform well. But who needs mesh if you can make every AP a root (wired) access point. *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Zach Mann *Sent:* Friday, November 15, 2013 11:41 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. Oh btw, even tho COMPANY A deploys these AP's and broadcasts their own SSID, doesn't mean the other players in town can't pay COMPANY A for their own SSID for their subscribers. :) It will be interesting to see how this all develops. On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 10:25 AM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: Right... I as well.. that's why I don't know what the answer is. Everyone's in this game, but some just play (seemingly) unfair... for example, it doesn't help anyone when you just go throwing up APs on cable plants and blasting all over the town. On the other hand Comcast may say it doesn't make sence for you (the WISP) to go sticking these high gain antennas up on the tower and covering the town! Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 tel:%2B1%20%28570%29%20723-7312 On 11/15/13, 11:19 AM, Eric Flanery wrote: How would you 'legally' define a WISP? What would make Comcast 'not a WISP', if they are delivering Internet over Wireless? If it's that they also deliver Internet over another medium, would we (and many other providers) also be excluded because we also deliver Internet over cable and fiber? If it's that they also provide TV service, then what about those of us that also run transport, hosting, development, and infrastructure services (examples among doubtless myriad others). Not that I wouldn't love some protected spectrum, I'm just having a hard time imagining anything that would prevent Comcast and the like from using it, while not also excluding quite a few of us. --Eric -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 8:04 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. Yes and no... I mean... yeah it's a pain to those of us trying to use the spectrum... but then again so is Comcast. This is exactly why there needs to be some sort of WISP only spectrum... with laws carefully written so Comcast can't just say they are a WISP. Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 tel:%2B1%20%28570%29%20723-7312 On 11/15/13, 11:02 AM, Robert wrote: Spectrum trashers At least if there's no traffic on them there shouldn't be much noise.. On 11/15/2013 06:26 AM, Zach Mann wrote: He's talking about these... (see attached) On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:01 AM, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com wrote: I'm not talking about the ones in peoples homes, I'm talking about the ones the cable carrier hangs on the lines outside runing through the city on every corner clear LOS to every tower around. Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102
[WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
I hope the links at the bottom come through. --- Comcast needs the FCC to open up the 5 GHz spectrum band to power next-generation Wi-Fi services that could allow it to deliver wireless broadband at speeds of up to 1 Gbps, SVP of Business Development Tom Nagel testified at a House Energy and Commerce hearing on Wednesday. Nagel disclosed in his prepared testimony that Comcast has expanded the number of Wi-Fi access points for Xfinity high-speed Internet customers to 350,000. The nation's largest cable MSO also began deploying wireless gateways from Cisco earlier this year that Comcast has said may be able to power millions of neighborhood hotspots. While Comcast already is already using the 5 GHz band, Nagel said it needs more of the unlicensed spectrum to meet demand from subscribers for Wi-Fi. It faces potential opposition from Toyota and other automobile manufacturers who want to use the 5 GHz band to deliver next-generation connected car applications, including applications that would warn drivers of collision threats. Toyota principal researcher John Kenney raised concerns about possible interference from Wi-Fi services at Wednesday's hearing. We have been actively engaged with the Wi-Fi community and other stakeholders who are exploring possible sharing solutions that will alleviate any risk of harmful interference from unlicensed devices. But we're not there yet and it's going to take a bit more time to see if we can get there, Kenney said in his prepared testimony. For more: - see Nagel's prepared testimony http://links.mkt1985.com/ctt?kn=207ms=NzE0MjgxOQS2r=NDc2MTk4ODcyMzcS1b=0 j=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0mt=2rj=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0rt=0 (.pdf) - see Kenney's prepared testimony http://links.mkt1985.com/ctt?kn=187ms=NzE0MjgxOQS2r=NDc2MTk4ODcyMzcS1b=0 j=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0mt=2rj=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0rt=0 (.pdf) - see Comcast blog post http://links.mkt1985.com/ctt?kn=118ms=NzE0MjgxOQS2r=NDc2MTk4ODcyMzcS1b=0 j=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0mt=2rj=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0rt=0 - Broadcasting Cable has this story http://links.mkt1985.com/ctt?kn=190ms=NzE0MjgxOQS2r=NDc2MTk4ODcyMzcS1b=0 j=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0mt=2rj=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0rt=0 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
What could go wrong with Comcast taking up yet more 5GHz of spectrum...[/sarcasm off] On 11/14/2013 01:40 PM, ralph wrote: I hope the links at the bottom come through. --- Comcast needs the FCC to open up the 5 GHz spectrum band to power next-generation Wi-Fi services that could allow it to deliver wireless broadband at speeds of up to 1 Gbps, SVP of Business Development Tom Nagel testified at a House Energy and Commerce hearing on Wednesday. Nagel disclosed in his prepared testimony that Comcast has expanded the number of Wi-Fi access points for Xfinity high-speed Internet customers to 350,000. The nation's largest cable MSO also began deploying wireless gateways from Cisco earlier this year that Comcast has said may be able to power millions of neighborhood hotspots. While Comcast already is already using the 5 GHz band, Nagel said it needs more of the unlicensed spectrum to meet demand from subscribers for Wi-Fi. It faces potential opposition from Toyota and other automobile manufacturers who want to use the 5 GHz band to deliver next-generation connected car applications, including applications that would warn drivers of collision threats. Toyota principal researcher John Kenney raised concerns about possible interference from Wi-Fi services at Wednesday's hearing. We have been actively engaged with the Wi-Fi community and other stakeholders who are exploring possible sharing solutions that will alleviate any risk of harmful interference from unlicensed devices… But we're not there yet and it's going to take a bit more time to see if we can get there, Kenney said in his prepared testimony. For more: - see Nagel's prepared testimony http://links.mkt1985.com/ctt?kn=207ms=NzE0MjgxOQS2r=NDc2MTk4ODcyMzcS1b=0j=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0mt=2rj=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0rt=0 (.pdf) - see Kenney's prepared testimony http://links.mkt1985.com/ctt?kn=187ms=NzE0MjgxOQS2r=NDc2MTk4ODcyMzcS1b=0j=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0mt=2rj=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0rt=0 (.pdf) - see Comcast blog post http://links.mkt1985.com/ctt?kn=118ms=NzE0MjgxOQS2r=NDc2MTk4ODcyMzcS1b=0j=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0mt=2rj=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0rt=0 - /Broadcasting Cable/ has this story http://links.mkt1985.com/ctt?kn=190ms=NzE0MjgxOQS2r=NDc2MTk4ODcyMzcS1b=0j=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0mt=2rj=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0rt=0 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
Yeah, won't matter either way with a 5Ghz AP on every street corner. Already seeing that in our areas do a wireless scan and you see 354 5Ghz APs now in addition to the 2Ghz ones (they run dual band APs now). Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 From: Bret Clark bcl...@spectraaccess.com Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 5:49 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. What could go wrong with Comcast taking up yet more 5GHz of spectrum...[/sarcasm off] On 11/14/2013 01:40 PM, ralph wrote: I hope the links at the bottom come through. --- Comcast needs the FCC to open up the 5 GHz spectrum band to power next-generation Wi-Fi services that could allow it to deliver wireless broadband at speeds of up to 1 Gbps, SVP of Business Development Tom Nagel testified at a House Energy and Commerce hearing on Wednesday. Nagel disclosed in his prepared testimony that Comcast has expanded the number of Wi-Fi access points for Xfinity high-speed Internet customers to 350,000. The nation's largest cable MSO also began deploying wireless gateways from Cisco earlier this year that Comcast has said may be able to power millions of neighborhood hotspots. While Comcast already is already using the 5 GHz band, Nagel said it needs more of the unlicensed spectrum to meet demand from subscribers for Wi-Fi. It faces potential opposition from Toyota and other automobile manufacturers who want to use the 5 GHz band to deliver next-generation connected car applications, including applications that would warn drivers of collision threats. Toyota principal researcher John Kenney raised concerns about possible interference from Wi-Fi services at Wednesday's hearing. We have been actively engaged with the Wi-Fi community and other stakeholders who are exploring possible sharing solutions that will alleviate any risk of harmful interference from unlicensed devices. But we're not there yet and it's going to take a bit more time to see if we can get there, Kenney said in his prepared testimony. For more: - see Nagel's prepared testimony (.pdf) - see Kenney's prepared testimony (.pdf) - see Comcast blog post - Broadcasting Cable has this story ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
Not that it'll cure it, but we'll have to step up shielding, isolation, antenna gain, better F/B, better side lobe suppression, etc. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 5:03:00 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. Yeah, won't matter either way with a 5Ghz AP on every street corner. Already seeing that in our areas do a wireless scan and you see 354 5Ghz APs now in addition to the 2Ghz ones (they run dual band APs now). Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 From : Bret Clark bcl...@spectraaccess.com Sent : Thursday, November 14, 2013 5:49 PM To : wireless@wispa.org Subject : Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. What could go wrong with Comcast taking up yet more 5GHz of spectrum...[/sarcasm off] On 11/14/2013 01:40 PM, ralph wrote: I hope the links at the bottom come through. --- Comcast needs the FCC to open up the 5 GHz spectrum band to power next-generation Wi-Fi services that could allow it to deliver wireless broadband at speeds of up to 1 Gbps, SVP of Business Development Tom Nagel testified at a House Energy and Commerce hearing on Wednesday. Nagel disclosed in his prepared testimony that Comcast has expanded the number of Wi-Fi access points for Xfinity high-speed Internet customers to 350,000. The nation's largest cable MSO also began deploying wireless gateways from Cisco earlier this year that Comcast has said may be able to power millions of neighborhood hotspots. While Comcast already is already using the 5 GHz band, Nagel said it needs more of the unlicensed spectrum to meet demand from subscribers for Wi-Fi. It faces potential opposition from Toyota and other automobile manufacturers who want to use the 5 GHz band to deliver next-generation connected car applications, including applications that would warn drivers of collision threats. Toyota principal researcher John Kenney raised concerns about possible interference from Wi-Fi services at Wednesday's hearing. We have been actively engaged with the Wi-Fi community and other stakeholders who are exploring possible sharing solutions that will alleviate any risk of harmful interference from unlicensed devices. But we're not there yet and it's going to take a bit more time to see if we can get there, Kenney said in his prepared testimony. For more: - see Nagel's prepared testimony (.pdf) - see Kenney's prepared testimony (.pdf) - see Comcast blog post - Broadcasting Cable has this story ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
[WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
I am a part of that for the BIG cable companies for my day job... I also
have a small WISP and see the full powered AP's on every scan list. :\
Ruckus APs going up in a lot of new markets in 2014.
On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 5:03 PM, Scott Carullo
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Yeah, won't matter either way with a 5Ghz AP on every street corner.
Already seeing that in our areas do a wireless scan and you see 354
5Ghz APs now in addition to the 2Ghz ones (they run dual band APs now).
Scott Carullo
Technical Operations
855-FLSPEED x102
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What could go wrong with Comcast taking up yet more 5GHz of
spectrum...[/sarcasm off]
On 11/14/2013 01:40 PM, ralph wrote:
I hope the links at the bottom come through.
---
Comcast needs the FCC to open up the 5 GHz spectrum band to power
next-generation Wi-Fi services that could allow it to deliver wireless
broadband at speeds of up to 1 Gbps, SVP of Business Development Tom Nagel
testified at a House Energy and Commerce hearing on Wednesday.
Nagel disclosed in his prepared testimony that Comcast has expanded the
number of Wi-Fi access points for Xfinity high-speed Internet customers to
350,000. The nation's largest cable MSO also began deploying wireless
gateways from Cisco earlier this year that Comcast has said may be able
to power millions of neighborhood hotspots.
While Comcast already is already using the 5 GHz band, Nagel said it needs
more of the unlicensed spectrum to meet demand from subscribers for Wi-Fi.
It faces potential opposition from Toyota and other automobile
manufacturers who want to use the 5 GHz band to deliver next-generation
connected car applications, including applications that would warn drivers
of collision threats.
Toyota principal researcher John Kenney raised concerns about possible
interference from Wi-Fi services at Wednesday's hearing. We have been
actively engaged with the Wi-Fi community and other stakeholders who are
exploring possible sharing solutions that will alleviate any risk of
harmful interference from unlicensed devices. But we're not there yet and
it's going to take a bit more time to see if we can get there, Kenney said
in his prepared testimony.
For more:
- see Nagel's prepared
testimonyhttp://links.mkt1985.com/ctt?kn=207ms=NzE0MjgxOQS2r=NDc2MTk4ODcyMzcS1b=0j=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0mt=2rj=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0rt=0
(.pdf)
- see Kenney's prepared
testimonyhttp://links.mkt1985.com/ctt?kn=187ms=NzE0MjgxOQS2r=NDc2MTk4ODcyMzcS1b=0j=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0mt=2rj=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0rt=0
(.pdf)
- see Comcast blog
posthttp://links.mkt1985.com/ctt?kn=118ms=NzE0MjgxOQS2r=NDc2MTk4ODcyMzcS1b=0j=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0mt=2rj=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0rt=0
- *Broadcasting Cable* has this
storyhttp://links.mkt1985.com/ctt?kn=190ms=NzE0MjgxOQS2r=NDc2MTk4ODcyMzcS1b=0j=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0mt=2rj=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0rt=0
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Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
Are you seeing any impact from them? On Nov 14, 2013, at 18:03, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com wrote: Yeah, won't matter either way with a 5Ghz AP on every street corner. Already seeing that in our areas do a wireless scan and you see 354 5Ghz APs now in addition to the 2Ghz ones (they run dual band APs now). Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 From: Bret Clark bcl...@spectraaccess.com Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 5:49 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. What could go wrong with Comcast taking up yet more 5GHz of spectrum...[/sarcasm off] On 11/14/2013 01:40 PM, ralph wrote: I hope the links at the bottom come through. --- Comcast needs the FCC to open up the 5 GHz spectrum band to power next-generation Wi-Fi services that could allow it to deliver wireless broadband at speeds of up to 1 Gbps, SVP of Business Development Tom Nagel testified at a House Energy and Commerce hearing on Wednesday. Nagel disclosed in his prepared testimony that Comcast has expanded the number of Wi-Fi access points for Xfinity high-speed Internet customers to 350,000. The nation's largest cable MSO also began deploying wireless gateways from Cisco earlier this year that Comcast has said may be able to power millions of neighborhood hotspots. While Comcast already is already using the 5 GHz band, Nagel said it needs more of the unlicensed spectrum to meet demand from subscribers for Wi-Fi. It faces potential opposition from Toyota and other automobile manufacturers who want to use the 5 GHz band to deliver next-generation connected car applications, including applications that would warn drivers of collision threats. Toyota principal researcher John Kenney raised concerns about possible interference from Wi-Fi services at Wednesday's hearing. We have been actively engaged with the Wi-Fi community and other stakeholders who are exploring possible sharing solutions that will alleviate any risk of harmful interference from unlicensed devices. But we're not there yet and it's going to take a bit more time to see if we can get there, Kenney said in his prepared testimony. For more: - see Nagel's prepared testimony (.pdf) - see Kenney's prepared testimony (.pdf) - see Comcast blog post - Broadcasting Cable has this story ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
Hard to tell, noise floor is noise floor which keeps creeping up - we all know things work better when its quiet. This used to worry me a lot when I saw it coming, but then I realized it was already there and I had no idea until I just happened to scan on some radios (I don't usually install the stuff). I'm not worried any more, if its not one thing it will be another any way. Thats what gives us the edge every day, flexibility. We will work around it, we always do. I figure a high gain antenna on a tower with a good directional CPE will continue to work fine. Their omni low gain antenna can't compete with a 20-30db directional one. Still sucks though, you drive down the street and see one after another running 5Ghz just knowing there probably isn't 3 connections in the whole city to them Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 From: Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:43 PM To: sc...@brevardwireless.com sc...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. Are you seeing any impact from them? On Nov 14, 2013, at 18:03, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com wrote: Yeah, won't matter either way with a 5Ghz AP on every street corner. Already seeing that in our areas do a wireless scan and you see 354 5Ghz APs now in addition to the 2Ghz ones (they run dual band APs now). Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 From: Bret Clark bcl...@spectraaccess.com Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 5:49 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. What could go wrong with Comcast taking up yet more 5GHz of spectrum...[/sarcasm off] On 11/14/2013 01:40 PM, ralph wrote: I hope the links at the bottom come through. --- Comcast needs the FCC to open up the 5 GHz spectrum band to power next-generation Wi-Fi services that could allow it to deliver wireless broadband at speeds of up to 1 Gbps, SVP of Business Development Tom Nagel testified at a House Energy and Commerce hearing on Wednesday. Nagel disclosed in his prepared testimony that Comcast has expanded the number of Wi-Fi access points for Xfinity high-speed Internet customers to 350,000. The nation's largest cable MSO also began deploying wireless gateways from Cisco earlier this year that Comcast has said may be able to power millions of neighborhood hotspots. While Comcast already is already using the 5 GHz band, Nagel said it needs more of the unlicensed spectrum to meet demand from subscribers for Wi-Fi. It faces potential opposition from Toyota and other automobile manufacturers who want to use the 5 GHz band to deliver next-generation connected car applications, including applications that would warn drivers of collision threats. Toyota principal researcher John Kenney raised concerns about possible interference from Wi-Fi services at Wednesday's hearing. We have been actively engaged with the Wi-Fi community and other stakeholders who are exploring possible sharing solutions that will alleviate any risk of harmful interference from unlicensed devices. But we're not there yet and it's going to take a bit more time to see if we can get there, Kenney said in his prepared testimony. For more: - see Nagel's prepared testimony (.pdf) - see Kenney's prepared testimony (.pdf) - see Comcast blog post - Broadcasting Cable has this story ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
Yeah... this is why I always preach 20dB above the noise floor... signals in the 45 to 55 range. If you install in the 70s you have no where to go. Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 11/14/13, 6:52 PM, Scott Carullo wrote: Hard to tell, noise floor is noise floor which keeps creeping up - we all know things work better when its quiet. This used to worry me a lot when I saw it coming, but then I realized it was already there and I had no idea until I just happened to scan on some radios (I don't usually install the stuff). I'm not worried any more, if its not one thing it will be another any way. Thats what gives us the edge every day, flexibility. We will work around it, we always do. I figure a high gain antenna on a tower with a good directional CPE will continue to work fine. Their omni low gain antenna can't compete with a 20-30db directional one. Still sucks though, you drive down the street and see one after another running 5Ghz just knowing there probably isn't 3 connections in the whole city to them Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 *From*: Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com *Sent*: Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:43 PM *To*: sc...@brevardwireless.com sc...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Cc*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. Are you seeing any impact from them? On Nov 14, 2013, at 18:03, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com wrote: Yeah, won't matter either way with a 5Ghz AP on every street corner. Already seeing that in our areas do a wireless scan and you see 354 5Ghz APs now in addition to the 2Ghz ones (they run dual band APs now). Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 *From*: Bret Clark bcl...@spectraaccess.com mailto:bcl...@spectraaccess.com *Sent*: Thursday, November 14, 2013 5:49 PM *To*: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. What could go wrong with Comcast taking up yet more 5GHz of spectrum...[/sarcasm off] On 11/14/2013 01:40 PM, ralph wrote: I hope the links at the bottom come through. --- Comcast needs the FCC to open up the 5 GHz spectrum band to power next-generation Wi-Fi services that could allow it to deliver wireless broadband at speeds of up to 1 Gbps, SVP of Business Development Tom Nagel testified at a House Energy and Commerce hearing on Wednesday. Nagel disclosed in his prepared testimony that Comcast has expanded the number of Wi-Fi access points for Xfinity high-speed Internet customers to 350,000. The nation's largest cable MSO also began deploying wireless gateways from Cisco earlier this year that Comcast has said may be able to power millions of neighborhood hotspots. While Comcast already is already using the 5 GHz band, Nagel said it needs more of the unlicensed spectrum to meet demand from subscribers for Wi-Fi. It faces potential opposition from Toyota and other automobile manufacturers who want to use the 5 GHz band to deliver next-generation connected car applications, including applications that would warn drivers of collision threats. Toyota principal researcher John Kenney raised concerns about possible interference from Wi-Fi services at Wednesday's hearing. We have been actively engaged with the Wi-Fi community and other stakeholders who are exploring possible sharing solutions that will alleviate any risk of harmful interference from unlicensed devices. But we're not there yet and it's going to take a bit more time to see if we can get there, Kenney said in his prepared testimony. For more: - see Nagel's prepared testimony http://links.mkt1985.com/ctt?kn=207ms=NzE0MjgxOQS2r=NDc2MTk4ODcyMzcS1b=0j=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0mt=2rj=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0rt=0 (.pdf) - see Kenney's prepared testimony http://links.mkt1985.com/ctt?kn=187ms=NzE0MjgxOQS2r=NDc2MTk4ODcyMzcS1b=0j=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0mt=2rj=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0rt=0 (.pdf) - see Comcast blog post http://links.mkt1985.com/ctt?kn=118ms=NzE0MjgxOQS2r=NDc2MTk4ODcyMzcS1b=0j=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0mt=2rj=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0rt=0 - /Broadcasting Cable/ has this story http://links.mkt1985.com/ctt?kn=190ms=NzE0MjgxOQS2r=NDc2MTk4ODcyMzcS1b=0j=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0mt=2rj=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0rt=0 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
You can always go to the Japanese channels, they always seem to be nice and quiet ;) We have lots of Asian customers so we are allowed to use them in some areas... Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 From: Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:59 PM To: sc...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. Yeah... this is why I always preach 20dB above the noise floor... signals in the 45 to 55 range. If you install in the 70s you have no where to go. Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 11/14/13, 6:52 PM, Scott Carullo wrote: Hard to tell, noise floor is noise floor which keeps creeping up - we all know things work better when its quiet. This used to worry me a lot when I saw it coming, but then I realized it was already there and I had no idea until I just happened to scan on some radios (I don't usually install the stuff). I'm not worried any more, if its not one thing it will be another any way. Thats what gives us the edge every day, flexibility. We will work around it, we always do. I figure a high gain antenna on a tower with a good directional CPE will continue to work fine. Their omni low gain antenna can't compete with a 20-30db directional one. Still sucks though, you drive down the street and see one after another running 5Ghz just knowing there probably isn't 3 connections in the whole city to them Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 *From*: Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com *Sent*: Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:43 PM *To*: sc...@brevardwireless.com sc...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Cc*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. Are you seeing any impact from them? On Nov 14, 2013, at 18:03, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com wrote: Yeah, won't matter either way with a 5Ghz AP on every street corner. Already seeing that in our areas do a wireless scan and you see 354 5Ghz APs now in addition to the 2Ghz ones (they run dual band APs now). Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 *From*: Bret Clark bcl...@spectraaccess.com mailto:bcl...@spectraaccess.com *Sent*: Thursday, November 14, 2013 5:49 PM *To*: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. What could go wrong with Comcast taking up yet more 5GHz of spectrum...[/sarcasm off] On 11/14/2013 01:40 PM, ralph wrote: I hope the links at the bottom come through. --- Comcast needs the FCC to open up the 5 GHz spectrum band to power next-generation Wi-Fi services that could allow it to deliver wireless broadband at speeds of up to 1 Gbps, SVP of Business Development Tom Nagel testified at a House Energy and Commerce hearing on Wednesday. Nagel disclosed in his prepared testimony that Comcast has expanded the number of Wi-Fi access points for Xfinity high-speed Internet customers to 350,000. The nation's largest cable MSO also began deploying wireless gateways from Cisco earlier this year that Comcast has said may be able to power millions of neighborhood hotspots. While Comcast already is already using the 5 GHz band, Nagel said it needs more of the unlicensed spectrum to meet demand from subscribers for Wi-Fi. It faces potential opposition from Toyota and other automobile manufacturers who want to use the 5 GHz band to deliver next-generation connected car applications, including applications that would warn drivers of collision threats. Toyota principal researcher John Kenney raised concerns about possible interference from Wi-Fi services at Wednesday's hearing. We have been actively engaged with the Wi-Fi community and other stakeholders who are exploring possible sharing solutions that will alleviate any risk of harmful interference from unlicensed devices. But we're not there yet and it's going to take a bit more time to see if we can get there, Kenney said in his prepared testimony. For more: - see Nagel's prepared testimony http://links.mkt1985.com/ctt?kn=207ms=NzE0MjgxOQS2r=NDc2MTk4ODcyMzcS1b=0 j=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0mt=2rj=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0rt=0 (.pdf) - see Kenney's prepared testimony http://links.mkt1985.com/ctt?kn=187ms=NzE0MjgxOQS2r=NDc2MTk4ODcyMzcS1b=0 j=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0mt=2rj=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0rt=0 (.pdf) - see Comcast blog post http://links.mkt1985.com/ctt?kn=118ms=NzE0MjgxOQS2r=NDc2MTk4ODcyMzcS1b=0 j=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0mt=2rj=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0rt=0 - /Broadcasting Cable/ has this story
Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
So does that mean I can use the African bands for my S. African customers and etc...? On 11/14/2013 04:12 PM, Scott Carullo wrote: You can always go to the Japanese channels, they always seem to be nice and quiet ;) We have lots of Asian customers so we are allowed to use them in some areas... Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 *From*: Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com *Sent*: Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:59 PM *To*: sc...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. Yeah... this is why I always preach 20dB above the noise floor... signals in the 45 to 55 range. If you install in the 70s you have no where to go. Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 11/14/13, 6:52 PM, Scott Carullo wrote: Hard to tell, noise floor is noise floor which keeps creeping up - we all know things work better when its quiet. This used to worry me a lot when I saw it coming, but then I realized it was already there and I had no idea until I just happened to scan on some radios (I don't usually install the stuff). I'm not worried any more, if its not one thing it will be another any way. Thats what gives us the edge every day, flexibility. We will work around it, we always do. I figure a high gain antenna on a tower with a good directional CPE will continue to work fine. Their omni low gain antenna can't compete with a 20-30db directional one. Still sucks though, you drive down the street and see one after another running 5Ghz just knowing there probably isn't 3 connections in the whole city to them Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 *From*: Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com *Sent*: Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:43 PM *To*: sc...@brevardwireless.com sc...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Cc*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. Are you seeing any impact from them? On Nov 14, 2013, at 18:03, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com wrote: Yeah, won't matter either way with a 5Ghz AP on every street corner. Already seeing that in our areas do a wireless scan and you see 354 5Ghz APs now in addition to the 2Ghz ones (they run dual band APs now). Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 *From*: Bret Clark bcl...@spectraaccess.com mailto:bcl...@spectraaccess.com *Sent*: Thursday, November 14, 2013 5:49 PM *To*: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. What could go wrong with Comcast taking up yet more 5GHz of spectrum...[/sarcasm off] On 11/14/2013 01:40 PM, ralph wrote: I hope the links at the bottom come through. --- Comcast needs the FCC to open up the 5 GHz spectrum band to power next-generation Wi-Fi services that could allow it to deliver wireless broadband at speeds of up to 1 Gbps, SVP of Business Development Tom Nagel testified at a House Energy and Commerce hearing on Wednesday. Nagel disclosed in his prepared testimony that Comcast has expanded the number of Wi-Fi access points for Xfinity high-speed Internet customers to 350,000. The nation's largest cable MSO also began deploying wireless gateways from Cisco earlier this year that Comcast has said may be able to power millions of neighborhood hotspots. While Comcast already is already using the 5 GHz band, Nagel said it needs more of the unlicensed spectrum to meet demand from subscribers for Wi-Fi. It faces potential opposition from Toyota and other automobile manufacturers who want to use the 5 GHz band to deliver next-generation connected car applications, including applications that would warn drivers of collision threats. Toyota principal researcher John Kenney raised concerns about possible interference from Wi-Fi services at Wednesday's hearing. We have been actively engaged with the Wi-Fi community and other stakeholders who are exploring possible sharing solutions that will alleviate any risk of harmful interference from unlicensed devices. But we're not there yet and it's going to take a bit more time to see if we can get there, Kenney said in his prepared testimony. For more: - see Nagel's prepared testimony http://links.mkt1985.com/ctt?kn=207ms=NzE0MjgxOQS2r=NDc2MTk4ODcyMzcS1b=0j=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0mt=2rj=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0rt=0 (.pdf) - see Kenney's prepared testimony http://links.mkt1985.com/ctt?kn=187ms=NzE0MjgxOQS2r=NDc2MTk4ODcyMzcS1b=0j=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0mt=2rj=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0rt=0
Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
Sure, why else would there be African bands... Of course its for the African customers. Silly question. Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 From: Robert nos...@avantwireless.com Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 7:24 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. So does that mean I can use the African bands for my S. African customers and etc...? On 11/14/2013 04:12 PM, Scott Carullo wrote: You can always go to the Japanese channels, they always seem to be nice and quiet ;) We have lots of Asian customers so we are allowed to use them in some areas... Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 *From*: Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com *Sent*: Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:59 PM *To*: sc...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. Yeah... this is why I always preach 20dB above the noise floor... signals in the 45 to 55 range. If you install in the 70s you have no where to go. Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 11/14/13, 6:52 PM, Scott Carullo wrote: Hard to tell, noise floor is noise floor which keeps creeping up - we all know things work better when its quiet. This used to worry me a lot when I saw it coming, but then I realized it was already there and I had no idea until I just happened to scan on some radios (I don't usually install the stuff). I'm not worried any more, if its not one thing it will be another any way. Thats what gives us the edge every day, flexibility. We will work around it, we always do. I figure a high gain antenna on a tower with a good directional CPE will continue to work fine. Their omni low gain antenna can't compete with a 20-30db directional one. Still sucks though, you drive down the street and see one after another running 5Ghz just knowing there probably isn't 3 connections in the whole city to them Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 *From*: Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com *Sent*: Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:43 PM *To*: sc...@brevardwireless.com sc...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Cc*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. Are you seeing any impact from them? On Nov 14, 2013, at 18:03, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com wrote: Yeah, won't matter either way with a 5Ghz AP on every street corner. Already seeing that in our areas do a wireless scan and you see 354 5Ghz APs now in addition to the 2Ghz ones (they run dual band APs now). Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 *From*: Bret Clark bcl...@spectraaccess.com mailto:bcl...@spectraaccess.com *Sent*: Thursday, November 14, 2013 5:49 PM *To*: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. What could go wrong with Comcast taking up yet more 5GHz of spectrum...[/sarcasm off] On 11/14/2013 01:40 PM, ralph wrote: I hope the links at the bottom come through. --- Comcast needs the FCC to open up the 5 GHz spectrum band to power next-generation Wi-Fi services that could allow it to deliver wireless broadband at speeds of up to 1 Gbps, SVP of Business Development Tom Nagel testified at a House Energy and Commerce hearing on Wednesday. Nagel disclosed in his prepared testimony that Comcast has expanded the number of Wi-Fi access points for Xfinity high-speed Internet customers to 350,000. The nation's largest cable MSO also began deploying wireless gateways from Cisco earlier this year that Comcast has said may be able to power millions of neighborhood hotspots. While Comcast already is already using the 5 GHz band, Nagel said it needs more of the unlicensed spectrum to meet demand from subscribers for Wi-Fi. It faces potential opposition from Toyota and other automobile manufacturers who want to use the 5 GHz band to deliver next-generation connected car applications, including applications that would warn drivers of collision threats. Toyota principal researcher John Kenney raised concerns about possible interference from Wi-Fi services at Wednesday's hearing. We have been actively engaged with the Wi-Fi community and other stakeholders who are exploring possible sharing solutions that will alleviate any risk of harmful interference from unlicensed devices. But we're not there yet and it's going to take a bit
