We can only hope for A/C 80MHz channels to spread the signal way out.... but also pollute more.
The ridiculous thing is 5GHz doesn't go through buildings... what is Comcast attempting to do here? Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 11/15/13, 11:46 AM, Jerry Richardson (airCloud) wrote: > Having had the privilege of living through PG&E's rollout of 900MHz > smart meters we will be impacted, it's just hard to say how much. > > The PG&E smart meters were essentially unity gain at full power. When it > got into the 10's of thousands the AP saw -60dB across the board at 10 > miles from the nearest smart meter. With 5GHz, we have a much higher FSL > and there will not be nearly as many withing a given sector. > > Making a few assumptions here: > Pole AP is 27dB into a 6dB omni at 30' off the ground > WISP sector antenna is 17dB at 200' off the ground > At 1 mile the WISP AP is going to see ~60dB. > > If comcast does succeed in getting more 5GHz spectrum, it will be good > for us as well as it will spread the noise out a bit lowering overall noise. > > Better come up with a plan now as we will be affected. Comcast, like > PG&E is going to tell you they are in compliance and to call their lawyers > > > On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:25 AM, Matt Hoppes <mhop...@indigowireless.com > <mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com>> wrote: > > Right... I as well.. that's why I don't know what the answer is. > Everyone's in this game, but some just play (seemingly) unfair... for > example, it doesn't help anyone when you just go throwing up APs on > cable plants and blasting all over the town. > > On the other hand Comcast may say it doesn't make sence for you (the > WISP) to go sticking these high gain antennas up on the tower and > covering the town! > > > Matt Hoppes > Director of Information Technology > Indigo Wireless > +1 (570) 723-7312 <tel:%2B1%20%28570%29%20723-7312> > > On 11/15/13, 11:19 AM, Eric Flanery wrote: > > How would you 'legally' define a WISP? > > > > What would make Comcast 'not a WISP', if they are delivering > Internet over Wireless? > > > > If it's that they also deliver Internet over another medium, > would we (and many other providers) also be excluded because we also > deliver Internet over cable and fiber? > > > > If it's that they also provide TV service, then what about those > of us that also run transport, hosting, development, and > infrastructure services (examples among doubtless myriad others). > > > > Not that I wouldn't love some protected spectrum, I'm just having > a hard time imagining anything that would prevent Comcast and the > like from using it, while not also excluding quite a few of us. > > > > --Eric > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org > <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org> > [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org > <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes > > Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 8:04 AM > > To: WISPA General List > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. > > > > Yes and no... I mean... yeah it's a pain to those of us trying to use > > the spectrum... but then again so is Comcast. > > > > This is exactly why there needs to be some sort of WISP only > spectrum... > > with laws carefully written so Comcast can't just say they are a > WISP. > > > > > > Matt Hoppes > > Director of Information Technology > > Indigo Wireless > > +1 (570) 723-7312 <tel:%2B1%20%28570%29%20723-7312> > > > > On 11/15/13, 11:02 AM, Robert wrote: > >> Spectrum trashers.... At least if there's no traffic on them there > >> shouldn't be much noise.. > >> > >> On 11/15/2013 06:26 AM, Zach Mann wrote: > >>> He's talking about these... (see attached) > >>> > >>> > >>> On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:01 AM, Scott Carullo > >>> <sc...@brevardwireless.com <mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com> > <mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com > <mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com>>> wrote: > >>> > >>> I'm not talking about the ones in peoples homes, I'm > talking about > >>> the ones the cable carrier hangs on the lines outside > runing through > >>> the city on every corner.... clear LOS to every tower > around. > >>> > >>> Scott Carullo > >>> Technical Operations > >>> 855-FLSPEED x102 > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>> *From*: "Brian Webster" <bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com > <mailto:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com> > >>> <mailto:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com > <mailto:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com>>> > >>> *Sent*: Friday, November 15, 2013 8:24 AM > >>> *To*: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org > <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> > >>> <mailto:wireless@wispa.org <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>> > >>> *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz > spectrum. > >>> > >>> One good thing about the higher bands and the noise floor > is that > >>> free space loss works to your advantage. That being that > a 5 GHz > >>> indoor Omni home AP router signal will fall off as an > interference > >>> source as a much shorter distance than a 2.4 GHz device > will. The > >>> laws of physics work in your favor. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Thank You, > >>> > >>> Brian Webster > >>> > >>> www.wirelessmapping.com <http://www.wirelessmapping.com> > <http://www.wirelessmapping.com> > >>> > >>> www.Broadband-Mapping.com <http://www.Broadband-Mapping.com> > <http://www.Broadband-Mapping.com> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org > <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org> > >>> <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org > <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>> > >>> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org > <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org> > >>> <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org > <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>>] *On Behalf Of *Scott Carullo > >>> *Sent:* Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:52 PM > >>> *To:* Matt Hoppes; sc...@brevardwireless.com > <mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com> > >>> <mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com > <mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com>>; WISPA General List > >>> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz > spectrum. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Hard to tell, noise floor is noise floor which keeps > creeping up - > >>> we all know things work better when its quiet. This used > to worry > >>> me a lot when I saw it coming, but then I realized it was > already > >>> there and I had no idea until I just happened to scan on > some radios > >>> (I don't usually install the stuff). I'm not worried any > more, if > >>> its not one thing it will be another any way. Thats what > gives us > >>> the edge every day, flexibility. We will work around it, > we always do. > >>> > >>> I figure a high gain antenna on a tower with a good > directional CPE > >>> will continue to work fine. Their omni low gain antenna > can't > >>> compete with a 20-30db directional one. Still sucks > though, you > >>> drive down the street and see one after another running > 5Ghz just > >>> knowing there probably isn't 3 connections in the whole > city to them.... > >>> > >>> Scott Carullo > >>> Technical Operations > >>> 855-FLSPEED x102 > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>> > >>> *From*: "Matt Hoppes" <mhop...@indigowireless.com > <mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com> > >>> <mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com > <mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com>>> > >>> *Sent*: Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:43 PM > >>> *To*: "sc...@brevardwireless.com > <mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com> <mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com > <mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com>>" > >>> <sc...@brevardwireless.com > <mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com> <mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com > <mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com>>>, > >>> "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org > <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> <mailto:wireless@wispa.org > <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>> > >>> *Cc*: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org > <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> > >>> <mailto:wireless@wispa.org <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>> > >>> *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz > spectrum. > >>> > >>> Are you seeing any impact from them? > >>> > >>> > >>> On Nov 14, 2013, at 18:03, "Scott Carullo" > >>> <sc...@brevardwireless.com > <mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com> <mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com > <mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com>>> wrote: > >>> > >>> Yeah, won't matter either way with a 5Ghz AP on every > street > >>> corner. Already seeing that in our areas.... do a > wireless > >>> scan and you see 354 5Ghz APs now in addition to the > 2Ghz ones > >>> (they run dual band APs now). > >>> > >>> Scott Carullo > >>> Technical Operations > >>> 855-FLSPEED x102 > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>> > >>> *From*: "Bret Clark" <bcl...@spectraaccess.com > <mailto:bcl...@spectraaccess.com> > >>> <mailto:bcl...@spectraaccess.com > <mailto:bcl...@spectraaccess.com>>> > >>> *Sent*: Thursday, November 14, 2013 5:49 PM > >>> *To*: wireless@wispa.org <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> > <mailto:wireless@wispa.org <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>> > >>> *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more > 5GHz spectrum. > >>> > >>> What could go wrong with Comcast taking up yet more > 5GHz of > >>> spectrum...[/sarcasm off] > >>> > >>> On 11/14/2013 01:40 PM, ralph wrote: > >>> > >>> I hope the links at the bottom come through. > >>> > >>> > --------------------------------------------------------------- > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Comcast needs the FCC to open up the 5 GHz > spectrum band to > >>> power next-generation Wi-Fi services that could > allow it to > >>> deliver wireless broadband at speeds of up to 1 > Gbps, SVP of > >>> Business Development Tom Nagel testified at a > House Energy > >>> and Commerce hearing on Wednesday. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Nagel disclosed in his prepared testimony that > Comcast has > >>> expanded the number of Wi-Fi access points for > Xfinity > >>> high-speed Internet customers to 350,000. The > nation's > >>> largest cable MSO also began deploying wireless > gateways > >>> from Cisco earlier this year that Comcast has > said may be > >>> able to power millions of neighborhood hotspots. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> While Comcast already is already using the 5 GHz > band, Nagel > >>> said it needs more of the unlicensed spectrum to > meet demand > >>> from subscribers for Wi-Fi. It faces potential > opposition > >>> from Toyota and other automobile manufacturers > who want to > >>> use the 5 GHz band to deliver next-generation > connected car > >>> applications, including applications that would > warn drivers > >>> of collision threats. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Toyota principal researcher John Kenney raised > concerns > >>> about possible interference from Wi-Fi services at > >>> Wednesday's hearing. "We have been actively > engaged with > >>> the Wi-Fi community and other stakeholders who > are exploring > >>> possible sharing solutions that will alleviate > any risk of > >>> harmful interference from unlicensed devices. But > we're not > >>> there yet and it's going to take a bit more time > to see if > >>> we can get there," Kenney said in his prepared > testimony. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> For more: > >>> - see Nagel's prepared testimony > >>> > > <http://links.mkt1985.com/ctt?kn=207&ms=NzE0MjgxOQS2&r=NDc2MTk4ODcyMzcS1&b=0&j=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0&mt=2&rj=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0&rt=0> > (.pdf) > >>> - see Kenney's prepared testimony > >>> > > <http://links.mkt1985.com/ctt?kn=187&ms=NzE0MjgxOQS2&r=NDc2MTk4ODcyMzcS1&b=0&j=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0&mt=2&rj=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0&rt=0> > (.pdf) > >>> - see Comcast blog post > >>> > > <http://links.mkt1985.com/ctt?kn=118&ms=NzE0MjgxOQS2&r=NDc2MTk4ODcyMzcS1&b=0&j=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0&mt=2&rj=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0&rt=0> > >>> - /Broadcasting & Cable/ has this story > >>> > > <http://links.mkt1985.com/ctt?kn=190&ms=NzE0MjgxOQS2&r=NDc2MTk4ODcyMzcS1&b=0&j=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0&mt=2&rj=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0&rt=0> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Wireless mailing list > >>> Wireless@wispa.org <mailto:Wireless@wispa.org> > <mailto:Wireless@wispa.org <mailto:Wireless@wispa.org>> > >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Wireless mailing list > >>> Wireless@wispa.org <mailto:Wireless@wispa.org> > <mailto:Wireless@wispa.org <mailto:Wireless@wispa.org>> > >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Wireless mailing list > >>> Wireless@wispa.org <mailto:Wireless@wispa.org> > >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >>> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Wireless mailing list > >> Wireless@wispa.org <mailto:Wireless@wispa.org> > >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > Wireless mailing list > > Wireless@wispa.org <mailto:Wireless@wispa.org> > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > _______________________________________________ > > Wireless mailing list > > Wireless@wispa.org <mailto:Wireless@wispa.org> > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > _______________________________________________ > Wireless mailing list > Wireless@wispa.org <mailto:Wireless@wispa.org> > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wireless mailing list > Wireless@wispa.org > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > _______________________________________________ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
