They are doing exactly what airCloud is doing for Muni WiFi. Put up AP's that cover 90% outside. Put $100 repeaters in the window as needed.
On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:48 AM, Matt Hoppes <mhop...@indigowireless.com>wrote: > We can only hope for A/C 80MHz channels to spread the signal way out.... > but also pollute more. > > The ridiculous thing is 5GHz doesn't go through buildings... what is > Comcast attempting to do here? > > > Matt Hoppes > Director of Information Technology > Indigo Wireless > +1 (570) 723-7312 > > On 11/15/13, 11:46 AM, Jerry Richardson (airCloud) wrote: > > Having had the privilege of living through PG&E's rollout of 900MHz > > smart meters we will be impacted, it's just hard to say how much. > > > > The PG&E smart meters were essentially unity gain at full power. When it > > got into the 10's of thousands the AP saw -60dB across the board at 10 > > miles from the nearest smart meter. With 5GHz, we have a much higher FSL > > and there will not be nearly as many withing a given sector. > > > > Making a few assumptions here: > > Pole AP is 27dB into a 6dB omni at 30' off the ground > > WISP sector antenna is 17dB at 200' off the ground > > At 1 mile the WISP AP is going to see ~60dB. > > > > If comcast does succeed in getting more 5GHz spectrum, it will be good > > for us as well as it will spread the noise out a bit lowering overall > noise. > > > > Better come up with a plan now as we will be affected. Comcast, like > > PG&E is going to tell you they are in compliance and to call their > lawyers > > > > > > On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:25 AM, Matt Hoppes <mhop...@indigowireless.com > > <mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com>> wrote: > > > > Right... I as well.. that's why I don't know what the answer is. > > Everyone's in this game, but some just play (seemingly) unfair... for > > example, it doesn't help anyone when you just go throwing up APs on > > cable plants and blasting all over the town. > > > > On the other hand Comcast may say it doesn't make sence for you (the > > WISP) to go sticking these high gain antennas up on the tower and > > covering the town! > > > > > > Matt Hoppes > > Director of Information Technology > > Indigo Wireless > > +1 (570) 723-7312 <tel:%2B1%20%28570%29%20723-7312> > > > > On 11/15/13, 11:19 AM, Eric Flanery wrote: > > > How would you 'legally' define a WISP? > > > > > > What would make Comcast 'not a WISP', if they are delivering > > Internet over Wireless? > > > > > > If it's that they also deliver Internet over another medium, > > would we (and many other providers) also be excluded because we also > > deliver Internet over cable and fiber? > > > > > > If it's that they also provide TV service, then what about those > > of us that also run transport, hosting, development, and > > infrastructure services (examples among doubtless myriad others). > > > > > > Not that I wouldn't love some protected spectrum, I'm just having > > a hard time imagining anything that would prevent Comcast and the > > like from using it, while not also excluding quite a few of us. > > > > > > --Eric > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org > > <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org> > > [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org > > <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes > > > Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 8:04 AM > > > To: WISPA General List > > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. > > > > > > Yes and no... I mean... yeah it's a pain to those of us trying to > use > > > the spectrum... but then again so is Comcast. > > > > > > This is exactly why there needs to be some sort of WISP only > > spectrum... > > > with laws carefully written so Comcast can't just say they are a > > WISP. > > > > > > > > > Matt Hoppes > > > Director of Information Technology > > > Indigo Wireless > > > +1 (570) 723-7312 <tel:%2B1%20%28570%29%20723-7312> > > > > > > On 11/15/13, 11:02 AM, Robert wrote: > > >> Spectrum trashers.... At least if there's no traffic on them > there > > >> shouldn't be much noise.. > > >> > > >> On 11/15/2013 06:26 AM, Zach Mann wrote: > > >>> He's talking about these... (see attached) > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:01 AM, Scott Carullo > > >>> <sc...@brevardwireless.com <mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com> > > <mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com > > <mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com>>> wrote: > > >>> > > >>> I'm not talking about the ones in peoples homes, I'm > > talking about > > >>> the ones the cable carrier hangs on the lines outside > > runing through > > >>> the city on every corner.... clear LOS to every tower > > around. > > >>> > > >>> Scott Carullo > > >>> Technical Operations > > >>> 855-FLSPEED x102 > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > >>> *From*: "Brian Webster" <bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com > > <mailto:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com> > > >>> <mailto:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com > > <mailto:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com>>> > > >>> *Sent*: Friday, November 15, 2013 8:24 AM > > >>> *To*: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org > > <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> > > >>> <mailto:wireless@wispa.org <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>> > > >>> *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz > > spectrum. > > >>> > > >>> One good thing about the higher bands and the noise floor > > is that > > >>> free space loss works to your advantage. That being that > > a 5 GHz > > >>> indoor Omni home AP router signal will fall off as an > > interference > > >>> source as a much shorter distance than a 2.4 GHz device > > will. The > > >>> laws of physics work in your favor. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> Thank You, > > >>> > > >>> Brian Webster > > >>> > > >>> www.wirelessmapping.com <http://www.wirelessmapping.com> > > <http://www.wirelessmapping.com> > > >>> > > >>> www.Broadband-Mapping.com <http://www.Broadband-Mapping.com> > > <http://www.Broadband-Mapping.com> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org > > <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org> > > >>> <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org > > <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>> > > >>> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org > > <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org> > > >>> <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org > > <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>>] *On Behalf Of *Scott Carullo > > >>> *Sent:* Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:52 PM > > >>> *To:* Matt Hoppes; sc...@brevardwireless.com > > <mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com> > > >>> <mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com > > <mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com>>; WISPA General List > > >>> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz > > spectrum. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> Hard to tell, noise floor is noise floor which keeps > > creeping up - > > >>> we all know things work better when its quiet. This used > > to worry > > >>> me a lot when I saw it coming, but then I realized it was > > already > > >>> there and I had no idea until I just happened to scan on > > some radios > > >>> (I don't usually install the stuff). I'm not worried any > > more, if > > >>> its not one thing it will be another any way. Thats what > > gives us > > >>> the edge every day, flexibility. We will work around it, > > we always do. > > >>> > > >>> I figure a high gain antenna on a tower with a good > > directional CPE > > >>> will continue to work fine. Their omni low gain antenna > > can't > > >>> compete with a 20-30db directional one. Still sucks > > though, you > > >>> drive down the street and see one after another running > > 5Ghz just > > >>> knowing there probably isn't 3 connections in the whole > > city to them.... > > >>> > > >>> Scott Carullo > > >>> Technical Operations > > >>> 855-FLSPEED x102 > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > >>> > > >>> *From*: "Matt Hoppes" <mhop...@indigowireless.com > > <mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com> > > >>> <mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com > > <mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com>>> > > >>> *Sent*: Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:43 PM > > >>> *To*: "sc...@brevardwireless.com > > <mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com> <mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com > > <mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com>>" > > >>> <sc...@brevardwireless.com > > <mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com> <mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com > > <mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com>>>, > > >>> "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org > > <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> <mailto:wireless@wispa.org > > <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>> > > >>> *Cc*: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org > > <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> > > >>> <mailto:wireless@wispa.org <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>> > > >>> *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz > > spectrum. > > >>> > > >>> Are you seeing any impact from them? > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> On Nov 14, 2013, at 18:03, "Scott Carullo" > > >>> <sc...@brevardwireless.com > > <mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com> <mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com > > <mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com>>> wrote: > > >>> > > >>> Yeah, won't matter either way with a 5Ghz AP on every > > street > > >>> corner. Already seeing that in our areas.... do a > > wireless > > >>> scan and you see 354 5Ghz APs now in addition to the > > 2Ghz ones > > >>> (they run dual band APs now). > > >>> > > >>> Scott Carullo > > >>> Technical Operations > > >>> 855-FLSPEED x102 > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > >>> > > >>> *From*: "Bret Clark" <bcl...@spectraaccess.com > > <mailto:bcl...@spectraaccess.com> > > >>> <mailto:bcl...@spectraaccess.com > > <mailto:bcl...@spectraaccess.com>>> > > >>> *Sent*: Thursday, November 14, 2013 5:49 PM > > >>> *To*: wireless@wispa.org <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> > > <mailto:wireless@wispa.org <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>> > > >>> *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more > > 5GHz spectrum. > > >>> > > >>> What could go wrong with Comcast taking up yet more > > 5GHz of > > >>> spectrum...[/sarcasm off] > > >>> > > >>> On 11/14/2013 01:40 PM, ralph wrote: > > >>> > > >>> I hope the links at the bottom come through. > > >>> > > >>> > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> Comcast needs the FCC to open up the 5 GHz > > spectrum band to > > >>> power next-generation Wi-Fi services that could > > allow it to > > >>> deliver wireless broadband at speeds of up to 1 > > Gbps, SVP of > > >>> Business Development Tom Nagel testified at a > > House Energy > > >>> and Commerce hearing on Wednesday. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> Nagel disclosed in his prepared testimony that > > Comcast has > > >>> expanded the number of Wi-Fi access points for > > Xfinity > > >>> high-speed Internet customers to 350,000. The > > nation's > > >>> largest cable MSO also began deploying wireless > > gateways > > >>> from Cisco earlier this year that Comcast has > > said may be > > >>> able to power millions of neighborhood hotspots. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> While Comcast already is already using the 5 GHz > > band, Nagel > > >>> said it needs more of the unlicensed spectrum to > > meet demand > > >>> from subscribers for Wi-Fi. It faces potential > > opposition > > >>> from Toyota and other automobile manufacturers > > who want to > > >>> use the 5 GHz band to deliver next-generation > > connected car > > >>> applications, including applications that would > > warn drivers > > >>> of collision threats. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> Toyota principal researcher John Kenney raised > > concerns > > >>> about possible interference from Wi-Fi services at > > >>> Wednesday's hearing. "We have been actively > > engaged with > > >>> the Wi-Fi community and other stakeholders who > > are exploring > > >>> possible sharing solutions that will alleviate > > any risk of > > >>> harmful interference from unlicensed devices. But > > we're not > > >>> there yet and it's going to take a bit more time > > to see if > > >>> we can get there," Kenney said in his prepared > > testimony. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> For more: > > >>> - see Nagel's prepared testimony > > >>> > > < > http://links.mkt1985.com/ctt?kn=207&ms=NzE0MjgxOQS2&r=NDc2MTk4ODcyMzcS1&b=0&j=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0&mt=2&rj=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0&rt=0 > > > > (.pdf) > > >>> - see Kenney's prepared testimony > > >>> > > < > http://links.mkt1985.com/ctt?kn=187&ms=NzE0MjgxOQS2&r=NDc2MTk4ODcyMzcS1&b=0&j=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0&mt=2&rj=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0&rt=0 > > > > (.pdf) > > >>> - see Comcast blog post > > >>> > > < > http://links.mkt1985.com/ctt?kn=118&ms=NzE0MjgxOQS2&r=NDc2MTk4ODcyMzcS1&b=0&j=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0&mt=2&rj=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0&rt=0 > > > > >>> - /Broadcasting & Cable/ has this story > > >>> > > < > http://links.mkt1985.com/ctt?kn=190&ms=NzE0MjgxOQS2&r=NDc2MTk4ODcyMzcS1&b=0&j=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0&mt=2&rj=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0&rt=0 > > > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > >>> Wireless mailing list > > >>> Wireless@wispa.org <mailto:Wireless@wispa.org> > > <mailto:Wireless@wispa.org <mailto:Wireless@wispa.org>> > > >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > >>> Wireless mailing list > > >>> Wireless@wispa.org <mailto:Wireless@wispa.org> > > <mailto:Wireless@wispa.org <mailto:Wireless@wispa.org>> > > >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > >>> Wireless mailing list > > >>> Wireless@wispa.org <mailto:Wireless@wispa.org> > > >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > >>> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Wireless mailing list > > >> Wireless@wispa.org <mailto:Wireless@wispa.org> > > >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > >> > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wireless mailing list > > > Wireless@wispa.org <mailto:Wireless@wispa.org> > > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wireless mailing list > > > Wireless@wispa.org <mailto:Wireless@wispa.org> > > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wireless mailing list > > Wireless@wispa.org <mailto:Wireless@wispa.org> > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wireless mailing list > > Wireless@wispa.org > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > _______________________________________________ > Wireless mailing list > Wireless@wispa.org > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >
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