[WISPA] TrangoLink Giga
Has anyone deployed these @ 18Ghz that is willing to give feedback? We are wondering if they are beyond the initial bugs and are stable enough for some important links. Any feedback would be great! Thanks. Marty ___ Marty Dougherty CEO Roadstar Internet Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] TrangoLink Giga
I believe we have one of the first units in the field. I was told it was #7. Had a couple initial bumps with the gear during the installation, but nothing Trango wasn't able to resolve overnight for us. So far we've only had one issue with the gear not passing data. No idea what caused it, but a soft reboot resolved the problem. Since then Trango has upgraded the firmware of this link for us and we haven't had any problems. Not sure if you noticed the radar activity in the DFW area right now, but it's been pretty red everywhere for a good part of the day and the GigaLINK has been singing along without so much as a blip. The gear has been up since mid-late last year. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marty Dougherty Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 2:38 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] TrangoLink Giga Has anyone deployed these @ 18Ghz that is willing to give feedback? We are wondering if they are beyond the initial bugs and are stable enough for some important links. Any feedback would be great! Thanks. Marty ___ Marty Dougherty CEO Roadstar Internet Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga vs Dragonwave
Hi John, Thanks for taking the time to respond...as usually, listserv emails just get typed out quickly late at night, and often are full of all sorts of mistakes...This time around, I at least took the time to review what I type once =) That said, it would be great if you'd be willing to provide some technical information about the TrangoLINK Giga, as all we have right now is a lot of guesses 6. TrangoLINK-Giga uses 256 QAM modulation to get 311+ Mbps FD (not 240 Mbps as Charles claims) using an 80 MHz channel. Using a 55 MHz channel...Horizon can achieve ~400 Mbps of FD capacity...what's interesting here is that although it is technically legal to license an 80 MHz channel under FCC 18 GHz rules, both Dragonwave Ceragon label their 56 MHz products under ETSI; if memory serves me correctly, there were issues and reasons why most manufacturers with experience in Part 101 don't recommend licensing 80 MHz channels, but I can't for the life of me recall, so I'm not going to push it (now 23 GHz is another matter) But back to apples to apples... TrangoLINK-Giga 256QAM in 56 MHz Channel = ~300 (as high as 311+) Mbps FD Throughput Dragonwave Horizon 256 QAM in a 56 MHz Channel = ~400 (as high as 450+) Mbps FD Throughput Now, the next question would to ask regarding throughput would be payload and architecture related Horizon is a native Ethernet radio and has a built-in GigE port...line rate, depending on ethernet frame size (e.g., 64 byte), I have seen throughput tests as high as ~450 Mbps FD on the 56 MHz channel variant (avg throughput comes out to about 400 Mbps FD) I have a few questions about the TrangoLINK-Giga 1. Is it a native Ethernet radio? Or is it Ethernet over SONET...most OEM manufacturers have SONET-based platforms (e.g., OC-3 / OC-6 / etc); I've seen such systems suffer due to the overhead of Ethernet to SONET packet translation issues? 2. Do you have any packet per second / packet size / throughput tests of the TrangoLINK-Giga in just a lab environment? 3. How do you support TDM ports using adaptive modulation? Using 128QAM TrangoLINK-Giga achieves 273 Mbps with a receive sensitivity of -64. (comparable to Charles' claim about Horizon) Now, to REALLY compare apples to apples, take Horizon's (per Dragonwave's datasheet) 40 Mhz channel 256 QAM (297 Mbps with RX sens of -60.5) and compare it to Trango 40 MHz channel 256 QAM (240 Mbps with RX sens of -63.2). It is not as different as he implies. GigaLINK 128QAM: Rx Sens = -64 dBm GigaLINK 256QAM: Rx Sens = -63.2 dBm Something doesn't seem right about this number, a sampling of 6 other radio manufacturers making similar products average 5-8 dB in Receive Sensitivity loss when moving from 128QAM to 256QAM...Are you stating that Trango only loses 0.8 dB of Rx sensitivty when moving from 128 to 256QAM? -Charles --- WiNOG Wireless Roadshows Coming to a City Near You http://www.winog.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga
Because until two months ago, there wasn't a licensed radio for $10K-$12K. Its price competition from companies like Trango, that forces other manufacturers to drop their prices also. Its the message that Licensed is not jsut for carriers anymore, as soon as manufacturers that historically targeted WISPs, start making a product for WISPs. The technology has been available for years, why not the lower costs until now? With that said, I recognize that Dragonwave also is a key competitor driving the price down. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Charles Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 12:12 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga I will tell you, the most exciting news of the year for me, is clearly Trango's entry into the Licensed space. In no particular order, here's a quick list of other licensed radio manufacturers off the top of my head w/ licensed Part 101 products shipping today in the US NEC Alcatel Harris Stratex Nera Ceragon Dragonwave AdTran Unity Wireless (Wit-Com) Proxim Ericson Microwave Data Systems Microwave Networks Gigacom Dunno how it's that exciting -Charles --- WiNOG Wireless Roadshows Coming to a City Near You http://www.winog.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.9.6/865 - Release Date: 6/24/2007 8:33 AM -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga
At this time, I'm not saying whether I'm choosing Dragonwave or Trango, or both. But I will say there are other factors to consider in favor of choosing Trango. Dealing with a Manufacturer that one has a history with, or vice versa. Once a WISP builds credabilty up with a manufacturer, its hard to walk away from thatrelationship. Loyalty to manufacturer and vice versa has its advantages. If I ask Trango to send me a GigaLink tommorrow (provided it was a released product available to ship), it would be here in 48 hours on my door step. If I asked Dragonwave to send me a Horizon tommorrow, they'd send me a credit app, and the address to wire funds to. What happens if one of these things fail in teh field in a given month, and cash flow was temporarilly depleated, would I get a replacement radio overnighted or another Credit app sent over to fill out? Thats just one of many example, a strong vendor relationship could offer.. I know the name of the majority of Trango's staff, and the majority of them kow my name. That type of relationship is priceless. Its not just about the technical comparison. Its stuff like the Trango advisory summits, where they allocated the majority of core relevent staff to attend an event, and paid for relevent WISPs to travel and come educate them on our needs. These are not just sales siminars like Road Shows. They paid for our lobby effort to them, NOT OUR EXPENSE! That is huge. These things go along way. I'm not saying that the same relationship can't be developed with a company like Dragonwave (new to us), or for that matter CTI (a company we know well, and knows us well). I'm just saying, its starting from ground zero, with a new manufacturer. Maybe a bridge that CTI already has constructed, to fill the gap. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Charles Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 11:59 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga That statement, really depends on the price that is relased, and the volume the buyer is considering, as well as their time frame. If someone is planning on dropping 1/4-1/2 million on Licensed gear in a year, and the price is really good, allowing the provider to get 30% more links up for the same dollar, its not much of a risk being the first, considering the future potential reward. I would argue that there is ALWAYS MASSIVE risk of being first...and spending 1/4 - 1/2 only MAGNIFIES that risk There are people who spent $$$ millions on Cisco OFDM Wireless stuff back in the mid-late 90s...that never worked There are people who spent $$$ millions on Adaptive Broadband stuff back in the late 90s...it didn't work for 5 years, and they finally only got it working b/c there was so much bankrupt inventory at $0 cost that writing software was almost a moot point If the WISP's timeline is also spread out over the year, they have plenty of time to wait for bug fixes, before the bulk of the deployments. I personally would rather spend $12k on a link that WORKS TODAY vs. spending $10k on a link that MIGHT WORK SOMEDAY That said, the TrangoLINK Giga is about the same price as Horizon, and doesn't have anywhere near the throughput upgrade path that Horizon has (see my earlier email about channel size) So, the better question to ask, would be, given a choice between 2 providers (who are both incidentally about the same size), would I rather 1. Spend $10k on a backhaul THAT WILL DEFINITELY WORK with a small company that has 5 years of building licensed backhauls and is 100% committed to building licensed backhauls today and tomorrow Or 2. Spend $10 on a backhaul THAT MIGHT WORK IN 6-12 MONTHS with a small company that has just released its first backhaul line but also still needs to support a point-to-multipoint line, a wireless video surveillance line, a mesh line, etc -Charles --- WiNOG Wireless Roadshows Coming to a City Near You http://www.winog.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.9.6/865 - Release Date: 6/24/2007 8:33 AM -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga
I have a price quote for a Dragonwave 18ghz licensed link from 6 months ago for that price range. ;) Travis Microserv Tom DeReggi wrote: Because until two months ago, there wasn't a licensed radio for $10K-$12K. Its price competition from companies like Trango, that forces other manufacturers to drop their prices also. Its the message that Licensed is not jsut for carriers anymore, as soon as manufacturers that historically targeted WISPs, start making a product for WISPs. The technology has been available for years, why not the lower costs until now? With that said, I recognize that Dragonwave also is a key competitor driving the price down. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Charles Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 12:12 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga I will tell you, the most exciting news of the year for me, is clearly Trango's entry into the Licensed space. In no particular order, here's a quick list of other licensed radio manufacturers off the top of my head w/ licensed Part 101 products shipping today in the US NEC Alcatel Harris Stratex Nera Ceragon Dragonwave AdTran Unity Wireless (Wit-Com) Proxim Ericson Microwave Data Systems Microwave Networks Gigacom Dunno how it's that exciting -Charles --- WiNOG Wireless Roadshows Coming to a City Near You http://www.winog.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga
That was probably for Rev3 gear. I believe that deal is no longer available, but I could be wrong. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 11:11 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga I have a price quote for a Dragonwave 18ghz licensed link from 6 months ago for that price range. ;) Travis Microserv Tom DeReggi wrote: Because until two months ago, there wasn't a licensed radio for $10K-$12K. Its price competition from companies like Trango, that forces other manufacturers to drop their prices also. Its the message that Licensed is not jsut for carriers anymore, as soon as manufacturers that historically targeted WISPs, start making a product for WISPs. The technology has been available for years, why not the lower costs until now? With that said, I recognize that Dragonwave also is a key competitor driving the price down. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Charles Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 12:12 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga I will tell you, the most exciting news of the year for me, is clearly Trango's entry into the Licensed space. In no particular order, here's a quick list of other licensed radio manufacturers off the top of my head w/ licensed Part 101 products shipping today in the US NEC Alcatel Harris Stratex Nera Ceragon Dragonwave AdTran Unity Wireless (Wit-Com) Proxim Ericson Microwave Data Systems Microwave Networks Gigacom Dunno how it's that exciting -Charles --- WiNOG Wireless Roadshows Coming to a City Near You http://www.winog.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga
Agreed, but I think all the excitement was anticipating a new low price point that Trango was promising. Trango did come in a bit cheaper, but not cheap enough to really create any street parties. Basically the money is the same between DragonWave and Trango, but Trango gives you 100MB for DragonWave's 50MB price. Does that sound about right? Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 11:13 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga I will tell you, the most exciting news of the year for me, is clearly Trango's entry into the Licensed space. In no particular order, here's a quick list of other licensed radio manufacturers off the top of my head w/ licensed Part 101 products shipping today in the US NEC Alcatel Harris Stratex Nera Ceragon Dragonwave AdTran Unity Wireless (Wit-Com) Proxim Ericson Microwave Data Systems Microwave Networks Gigacom Dunno how it's that exciting -Charles --- WiNOG Wireless Roadshows Coming to a City Near You http://www.winog.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga
Tom: I recall providing wireless bachauls to a big utilty. Even though they are a billion dollar utility, I still provided technical training and lunch for all their communiation technicians. It was much appreciated by the client. I also recall providing backhaul training to my WISP. I also provided a nice conference room, lunch, etc. The WISP was VERY appreciated. So you make some very good points about building busines relationships. However, the other challenge however is that some of my customers asked me to be careful in providing luxurious lunches/training etc because of their company policy to not accept gifts or anything free. So it really depends on the circumstance. But good points. Felix Wireless Practioner --- Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At this time, I'm not saying whether I'm choosing Dragonwave or Trango, or both. But I will say there are other factors to consider in favor of choosing Trango. Dealing with a Manufacturer that one has a history with, or vice versa. Once a WISP builds credabilty up with a manufacturer, its hard to walk away from thatrelationship. Loyalty to manufacturer and vice versa has its advantages. If I ask Trango to send me a GigaLink tommorrow (provided it was a released product available to ship), it would be here in 48 hours on my door step. If I asked Dragonwave to send me a Horizon tommorrow, they'd send me a credit app, and the address to wire funds to. What happens if one of these things fail in teh field in a given month, and cash flow was temporarilly depleated, would I get a replacement radio overnighted or another Credit app sent over to fill out? Thats just one of many example, a strong vendor relationship could offer.. I know the name of the majority of Trango's staff, and the majority of them kow my name. That type of relationship is priceless. Its not just about the technical comparison. Its stuff like the Trango advisory summits, where they allocated the majority of core relevent staff to attend an event, and paid for relevent WISPs to travel and come educate them on our needs. These are not just sales siminars like Road Shows. They paid for our lobby effort to them, NOT OUR EXPENSE! That is huge. These things go along way. I'm not saying that the same relationship can't be developed with a company like Dragonwave (new to us), or for that matter CTI (a company we know well, and knows us well). I'm just saying, its starting from ground zero, with a new manufacturer. Maybe a bridge that CTI already has constructed, to fill the gap. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Charles Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 11:59 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga That statement, really depends on the price that is relased, and the volume the buyer is considering, as well as their time frame. If someone is planning on dropping 1/4-1/2 million on Licensed gear in a year, and the price is really good, allowing the provider to get 30% more links up for the same dollar, its not much of a risk being the first, considering the future potential reward. I would argue that there is ALWAYS MASSIVE risk of being first...and spending 1/4 - 1/2 only MAGNIFIES that risk There are people who spent $$$ millions on Cisco OFDM Wireless stuff back in the mid-late 90s...that never worked There are people who spent $$$ millions on Adaptive Broadband stuff back in the late 90s...it didn't work for 5 years, and they finally only got it working b/c there was so much bankrupt inventory at $0 cost that writing software was almost a moot point If the WISP's timeline is also spread out over the year, they have plenty of time to wait for bug fixes, before the bulk of the deployments. I personally would rather spend $12k on a link that WORKS TODAY vs. spending $10k on a link that MIGHT WORK SOMEDAY That said, the TrangoLINK Giga is about the same price as Horizon, and doesn't have anywhere near the throughput upgrade path that Horizon has (see my earlier email about channel size) So, the better question to ask, would be, given a choice between 2 providers (who are both incidentally about the same size), would I rather 1. Spend $10k on a backhaul THAT WILL DEFINITELY WORK with a small company that has 5 years of building licensed backhauls and is 100% committed to building licensed backhauls today and tomorrow Or 2. Spend $10 on a backhaul THAT MIGHT WORK IN 6-12 MONTHS with a small company that has just released its first backhaul line but also still needs to support a point-to-multipoint line, a wireless video surveillance line, a mesh line, etc -Charles --- WiNOG Wireless Roadshows Coming to a City Near You http://www.winog.com
Re: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga vs Dragonwave
Charles, This post of yours, is getting into the meat and potatos of what we need to know to make a fair comparison. see responses in line .the FCC doesn't allow someone to license a 56 MHz channel, so to run at this date rate, you would have to license 2 adjacent channels (2x the license cost, and at ~ $3500 / link, it's nothing to sneeze at) To be accurate, I'm not convinved licensing two channels cost double $3500. Maybe that is what You charge, but not the FCC. 3. Under Part 101, it is technically illegal to just squat on the frequency by grabbing that extra channel...you have to use it or you lose it Other than cost, what prevents a WISP from licensing both channels? What method of proof is required, to show need and use to the FCC, to meet legal requirement? 5. From a comparison perspective, Horizon has a max capacity of 350 Mbps FD on a single FCC channel (so it's 350 vs 240) At what penalty, to acheive 350? For hypothetical example, 350 reducing range compared to 240 with Giga link? 6. From a raw performance perspective, TrangoLINK Giga requires 256 QAM modulation to get 240 Mb FD...Horizon does 270 Mb FD with 128 QAM; the difference in receive sensitivity between 128 QAM to 256 QAM can be anywhere from 5-10 dB How is this possible, that Horizon can acheive BOTH lower modulation and smaller channel size, while maintaining higher throughput? Its hard to believe. How are they beating physics? 7. High Power -- not sure about the specs of the TrangoLINK Giga, but having a High Power variant gives Horizon an extra 7 dB worth of output power...depending on the frequency, that can be almost 2' worth of antenna Definately a plus, for those longer range links, and landlords finicky on antenna size limits. As you state, Trango's output power needs defining, to know if an advantage. 10. Dragonwave is a company that is focused exclusively and is committed to backhaul; it also has a product roadmaps for AirPair that allow for future upgradability (AirPair has a roadmap that will get it to 1 GB+ in the future) Doesn't the Trango Gigalink also have a migration path to 600mbps? With all said, the competitive analisys is not just against other Licensed manufacturers. The competition is Gigabit MW gear. Best of Class MW gear can reliably achieve 2 mile in high rain regions at 4- 9s, with 2 ft parabolics. The purpose of Licensed is to gain farther distances at capacities as close to GB as possible, and lower cost. So the challenge is how far can manufacturer's go in licensed, at Highest speeds? For apples to apples comparison, with 2 ft dishes on both ends, w/ 18Ghz, how far can we go to deliver 4- 9's reliabilty or better, at peak speed (240mbps or higher) with the various manufacturers? How many roof top leases can I by pass, to enable me to build out my backbone network in a region, using these manufacturers? What can Horizon accomplish? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga
It does, and giving double the capacity for same dollars is HUGE. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Brad Belton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 12:12 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga Agreed, but I think all the excitement was anticipating a new low price point that Trango was promising. Trango did come in a bit cheaper, but not cheap enough to really create any street parties. Basically the money is the same between DragonWave and Trango, but Trango gives you 100MB for DragonWave's 50MB price. Does that sound about right? Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 11:13 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga I will tell you, the most exciting news of the year for me, is clearly Trango's entry into the Licensed space. In no particular order, here's a quick list of other licensed radio manufacturers off the top of my head w/ licensed Part 101 products shipping today in the US NEC Alcatel Harris Stratex Nera Ceragon Dragonwave AdTran Unity Wireless (Wit-Com) Proxim Ericson Microwave Data Systems Microwave Networks Gigacom Dunno how it's that exciting -Charles --- WiNOG Wireless Roadshows Coming to a City Near You http://www.winog.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.9.6/865 - Release Date: 6/24/2007 8:33 AM -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga vs Dragonwave
Several things 1. Dragonwave PoE is not standard b/c it's virtually impossible b/c in a GigE setup, there's no unused pairs 2. Horizon is approximately 25% cheaper than AirPair, with a comparable entry point list price LOWER than the Orthogon / Motorola Gemini / 60 Mb Backhaul (20 Mb FLEX vs Gemini's 20 Mb FD Throughput) 3. Horizon is software upgradable from as low as 10 Mb to 350 Mb on a single FCC channel (400 Mb if you bond 2 channels together) -Charles Dragonwave Distributor --- WiNOG Wireless Roadshows Coming to a City Near You http://www.winog.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 6:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga Not sure... but Dragonwave's PoE is not standard PoE... you have to purchase their expensive, proprietary cables with the radios... so if you are running a new cable, why not just run LMR400 and not ever have to worry about it again? Travis Microserv Gino Villarini wrote: So basically the Horizon would be the same or less and its poe Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 7:01 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga No... this was for their IDU/ODU fixed 100Mbps unit from both Trango and Dragonwave. Travis Microserv Gino Villarini wrote: That's the new dragonwave horizon pricing? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 6:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga Honestly I was a little disappointed with the pricing... I thought it would be more aggressive from the newest player on the block. For the 100Mbps full-duplex version, it was only about 25% less than a similar Dragonwave setup. I guess I was hoping for more like 50% less. :) Travis Microserv Matt Liotta wrote: Our Trango rep provided us with a price quote. I didn't speak to the person directly, so I don't know if I am allowed to share or if it was based on a volume commitment. I will say it is in line with what most people are expecting out of Trango price wise. -Matt Tom DeReggi wrote: Charles, That statement, really depends on the price that is relased, and the volume the buyer is considering, as well as their time frame. If someone is planning on dropping 1/4-1/2 million on Licensed gear in a year, and the price is really good, allowing the provider to get 30% more links up for the same dollar, its not much of a risk being the first, considering the future potential reward. If the WISP's timeline is also spread out over the year, they have plenty of time to wait for bug fixes, before the bulk of the deployments. The golden question right now is, what price is Trango going to be at? The prospective buyers are predicting a low cost entry point, just because Trango has Always delivered industry leading price point, to jump start volume adoption in the industry. However, prior to seeing the price released, I'll say Dragon wave has the upper hand, for potentially being able to be the price leader based on their all outdoor design, compared to Trango's half and half indoor/outdoor. I will tell you, the most exciting news of the year for me, is clearly Trango's entry into the Licensed space. I selected them once for their Superior designs, and wouldn't hesitate to do it again, if they follow their own suit with the initial mentality of innovated products, such as the 5830 product line in it's day. With that said... I spoke with Dragon Wave, at the IWPC workshop this week. These guys get it, and is going to be a tough act to follow. The Dragon wave vision is to have a single management platform and infrastructure design for all your needs. Dragon wave is also very highly considering launching an E-band or 60Ghz product
RE: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga vs Dragonwave
Its important to remember... There are two relevent prices to consider Entry Cost and Full Speed Cost. Sure, let's compare apples to apples, to start: OVERALL THROUGHPUT 1. The TrangoLINK Giga requires 56 MHz of spectrum to get 311 Mb of FD throughput...the FCC doesn't allow someone to license a 56 MHz channel, so to run at this date rate, you would have to license 2 adjacent channels (2x the license cost, and at ~ $3500 / link, it's nothing to sneeze at) 2. From an entry point perspective, if you only license 1 channel to start (e.g., aren't using the data throughput), there's no way to reserve that adjacent channel...you have to hope / pray that in the time period that you scale that no one licenses your neighboring channel 3. Under Part 101, it is technically illegal to just squat on the frequency by grabbing that extra channel...you have to use it or you lose it 4. That said, if we're only going to use a single channel, the Full Speed upgrade point of the TrangoLINK Giga is 240 Mb FD, NOT 300 Mb 5. From a comparison perspective, Horizon has a max capacity of 350 Mbps FD on a single FCC channel (so it's 350 vs 240) RF PERFORMANCE 6. From a raw performance perspective, TrangoLINK Giga requires 256 QAM modulation to get 240 Mb FD...Horizon does 270 Mb FD with 128 QAM; the difference in receive sensitivity between 128 QAM to 256 QAM can be anywhere from 5-10 dB 7. High Power -- not sure about the specs of the TrangoLINK Giga, but having a High Power variant gives Horizon an extra 7 dB worth of output power...depending on the frequency, that can be almost 2' worth of antenna RELIABILITY 8. Like it or not, the probability of issues in a first revision of any hardware manufacturer's product is extremely high...Dragonwave has been producing licensed point-to-point radios for over 5 years and is on the 3rd generation of its hardware platform... 9. Trango's past 2 first revisions of hardware almost inevitably fails...look at their last several new products (I'm talking reengineered...HD Mesh is just Atlas + Mikrotik + glue, 2.4 GHz was based upon 900)...Atlas, 900 MHz...to me, it seems like it usually takes them about 1 year to get something to work properly...maybe 3rd time is the charm? That said...it's one thing to be first when it's only $1-2k, but $10k+ makes it a bit more painful when you've got to wait 6+ months for them to get it to work right ROADMAP 10. Dragonwave is a company that is focused exclusively and is committed to backhaul; it also has a product roadmaps for AirPair that allow for future upgradability (AirPair has a roadmap that will get it to 1 GB+ in the future) 11. Trango builds a product and a market, and then moves on Some food for thought -Charles Operating Manager CTI - WISPA Paid Vendor Member Dragonwave Distributor --- WiNOG Wireless Roadshows Coming to a City Near You http://www.winog.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2007 7:54 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga Trango appears to have a MUCH better price point, considering upgraded to full speed. Although, I'm having difficulty getting confirmation on Dragonwave's Full capacity Best price, to be certain. Its also important to understand that there is a undisputed reliabilty advantage of having a combo indoor/outdoor model, regardless of whether an Outdoor model is mroe convenient and preferred by many WISPs. I guess I'm saying We should be comparing apples to apples, Airpair to TrangoGigalink, and not fair to compare Trango to Horizon prices because of that.. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 7:03 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga So basically the Horizon would be the same or less and its poe Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 7:01 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga No... this was for their IDU/ODU fixed 100Mbps unit from both Trango and Dragonwave. Travis Microserv Gino Villarini wrote: That's the new dragonwave horizon pricing? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 6:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga Honestly I was a little disappointed with the pricing... I thought it would be more aggressive from the newest player on the block. For the 100Mbps full-duplex version
RE: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga
That statement, really depends on the price that is relased, and the volume the buyer is considering, as well as their time frame. If someone is planning on dropping 1/4-1/2 million on Licensed gear in a year, and the price is really good, allowing the provider to get 30% more links up for the same dollar, its not much of a risk being the first, considering the future potential reward. I would argue that there is ALWAYS MASSIVE risk of being first...and spending 1/4 - 1/2 only MAGNIFIES that risk There are people who spent $$$ millions on Cisco OFDM Wireless stuff back in the mid-late 90s...that never worked There are people who spent $$$ millions on Adaptive Broadband stuff back in the late 90s...it didn't work for 5 years, and they finally only got it working b/c there was so much bankrupt inventory at $0 cost that writing software was almost a moot point If the WISP's timeline is also spread out over the year, they have plenty of time to wait for bug fixes, before the bulk of the deployments. I personally would rather spend $12k on a link that WORKS TODAY vs. spending $10k on a link that MIGHT WORK SOMEDAY That said, the TrangoLINK Giga is about the same price as Horizon, and doesn't have anywhere near the throughput upgrade path that Horizon has (see my earlier email about channel size) So, the better question to ask, would be, given a choice between 2 providers (who are both incidentally about the same size), would I rather 1. Spend $10k on a backhaul THAT WILL DEFINITELY WORK with a small company that has 5 years of building licensed backhauls and is 100% committed to building licensed backhauls today and tomorrow Or 2. Spend $10 on a backhaul THAT MIGHT WORK IN 6-12 MONTHS with a small company that has just released its first backhaul line but also still needs to support a point-to-multipoint line, a wireless video surveillance line, a mesh line, etc -Charles --- WiNOG Wireless Roadshows Coming to a City Near You http://www.winog.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga
I will tell you, the most exciting news of the year for me, is clearly Trango's entry into the Licensed space. In no particular order, here's a quick list of other licensed radio manufacturers off the top of my head w/ licensed Part 101 products shipping today in the US NEC Alcatel Harris Stratex Nera Ceragon Dragonwave AdTran Unity Wireless (Wit-Com) Proxim Ericson Microwave Data Systems Microwave Networks Gigacom Dunno how it's that exciting -Charles --- WiNOG Wireless Roadshows Coming to a City Near You http://www.winog.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga
Its important to remember... There are two relevent prices to consider Entry Cost and Full Speed Cost. Trango appears to have a MUCH better price point, considering upgraded to full speed. Although, I'm having difficulty getting confirmation on Dragonwave's Full capacity Best price, to be certain. Its also important to understand that there is a undisputed reliabilty advantage of having a combo indoor/outdoor model, regardless of whether an Outdoor model is mroe convenient and preferred by many WISPs. I guess I'm saying We should be comparing apples to apples, Airpair to TrangoGigalink, and not fair to compare Trango to Horizon prices because of that.. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 7:03 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga So basically the Horizon would be the same or less and its poe Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 7:01 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga No... this was for their IDU/ODU fixed 100Mbps unit from both Trango and Dragonwave. Travis Microserv Gino Villarini wrote: That's the new dragonwave horizon pricing? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 6:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga Honestly I was a little disappointed with the pricing... I thought it would be more aggressive from the newest player on the block. For the 100Mbps full-duplex version, it was only about 25% less than a similar Dragonwave setup. I guess I was hoping for more like 50% less. :) Travis Microserv Matt Liotta wrote: Our Trango rep provided us with a price quote. I didn't speak to the person directly, so I don't know if I am allowed to share or if it was based on a volume commitment. I will say it is in line with what most people are expecting out of Trango price wise. -Matt Tom DeReggi wrote: Charles, That statement, really depends on the price that is relased, and the volume the buyer is considering, as well as their time frame. If someone is planning on dropping 1/4-1/2 million on Licensed gear in a year, and the price is really good, allowing the provider to get 30% more links up for the same dollar, its not much of a risk being the first, considering the future potential reward. If the WISP's timeline is also spread out over the year, they have plenty of time to wait for bug fixes, before the bulk of the deployments. The golden question right now is, what price is Trango going to be at? The prospective buyers are predicting a low cost entry point, just because Trango has Always delivered industry leading price point, to jump start volume adoption in the industry. However, prior to seeing the price released, I'll say Dragon wave has the upper hand, for potentially being able to be the price leader based on their all outdoor design, compared to Trango's half and half indoor/outdoor. I will tell you, the most exciting news of the year for me, is clearly Trango's entry into the Licensed space. I selected them once for their Superior designs, and wouldn't hesitate to do it again, if they follow their own suit with the initial mentality of innovated products, such as the 5830 product line in it's day. With that said... I spoke with Dragon Wave, at the IWPC workshop this week. These guys get it, and is going to be a tough act to follow. The Dragon wave vision is to have a single management platform and infrastructure design for all your needs. Dragon wave is also very highly considering launching an E-band or 60Ghz product to their line, in the near future. Could you imagine that? Thats a product line that could bring WISPs to carrier class. Licensed Backhaul, GB near interference-free last mile. Tom DeReggi Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Charles Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 9:16 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga The question with Trango always is who wants to be first... (Free beta testers don't count) -Charles --- WiNOG Wireless Roadshows Coming to a City Near You http://www.winog.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 1:43 PM To: WISPA General
Re: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga
Charles, That statement, really depends on the price that is relased, and the volume the buyer is considering, as well as their time frame. If someone is planning on dropping 1/4-1/2 million on Licensed gear in a year, and the price is really good, allowing the provider to get 30% more links up for the same dollar, its not much of a risk being the first, considering the future potential reward. If the WISP's timeline is also spread out over the year, they have plenty of time to wait for bug fixes, before the bulk of the deployments. The golden question right now is, what price is Trango going to be at? The prospective buyers are predicting a low cost entry point, just because Trango has Always delivered industry leading price point, to jump start volume adoption in the industry. However, prior to seeing the price released, I'll say Dragon wave has the upper hand, for potentially being able to be the price leader based on their all outdoor design, compared to Trango's half and half indoor/outdoor. I will tell you, the most exciting news of the year for me, is clearly Trango's entry into the Licensed space. I selected them once for their Superior designs, and wouldn't hesitate to do it again, if they follow their own suit with the initial mentality of innovated products, such as the 5830 product line in it's day. With that said... I spoke with Dragon Wave, at the IWPC workshop this week. These guys get it, and is going to be a tough act to follow. The Dragon wave vision is to have a single management platform and infrastructure design for all your needs. Dragon wave is also very highly considering launching an E-band or 60Ghz product to their line, in the near future. Could you imagine that? Thats a product line that could bring WISPs to carrier class. Licensed Backhaul, GB near interference-free last mile. Tom DeReggi Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Charles Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 9:16 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga The question with Trango always is who wants to be first... (Free beta testers don't count) -Charles --- WiNOG Wireless Roadshows Coming to a City Near You http://www.winog.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 1:43 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga Anyone have any experience with Trango's new product? How does it compare to similar products? -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.9.0/852 - Release Date: 6/17/2007 8:23 AM -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga
Our Trango rep provided us with a price quote. I didn't speak to the person directly, so I don't know if I am allowed to share or if it was based on a volume commitment. I will say it is in line with what most people are expecting out of Trango price wise. -Matt Tom DeReggi wrote: Charles, That statement, really depends on the price that is relased, and the volume the buyer is considering, as well as their time frame. If someone is planning on dropping 1/4-1/2 million on Licensed gear in a year, and the price is really good, allowing the provider to get 30% more links up for the same dollar, its not much of a risk being the first, considering the future potential reward. If the WISP's timeline is also spread out over the year, they have plenty of time to wait for bug fixes, before the bulk of the deployments. The golden question right now is, what price is Trango going to be at? The prospective buyers are predicting a low cost entry point, just because Trango has Always delivered industry leading price point, to jump start volume adoption in the industry. However, prior to seeing the price released, I'll say Dragon wave has the upper hand, for potentially being able to be the price leader based on their all outdoor design, compared to Trango's half and half indoor/outdoor. I will tell you, the most exciting news of the year for me, is clearly Trango's entry into the Licensed space. I selected them once for their Superior designs, and wouldn't hesitate to do it again, if they follow their own suit with the initial mentality of innovated products, such as the 5830 product line in it's day. With that said... I spoke with Dragon Wave, at the IWPC workshop this week. These guys get it, and is going to be a tough act to follow. The Dragon wave vision is to have a single management platform and infrastructure design for all your needs. Dragon wave is also very highly considering launching an E-band or 60Ghz product to their line, in the near future. Could you imagine that? Thats a product line that could bring WISPs to carrier class. Licensed Backhaul, GB near interference-free last mile. Tom DeReggi Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Charles Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 9:16 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga The question with Trango always is who wants to be first... (Free beta testers don't count) -Charles --- WiNOG Wireless Roadshows Coming to a City Near You http://www.winog.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 1:43 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga Anyone have any experience with Trango's new product? How does it compare to similar products? -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga
Matt Liotta wrote: I will say it is in line with what most people are expecting out of Trango price wise. -Matt And that price is? :) George -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga
Honestly I was a little disappointed with the pricing... I thought it would be more aggressive from the newest player on the block. For the 100Mbps full-duplex version, it was only about 25% less than a similar Dragonwave setup. I guess I was hoping for more like 50% less. :) Travis Microserv Matt Liotta wrote: Our Trango rep provided us with a price quote. I didn't speak to the person directly, so I don't know if I am allowed to share or if it was based on a volume commitment. I will say it is in line with what most people are expecting out of Trango price wise. -Matt Tom DeReggi wrote: Charles, That statement, really depends on the price that is relased, and the volume the buyer is considering, as well as their time frame. If someone is planning on dropping 1/4-1/2 million on Licensed gear in a year, and the price is really good, allowing the provider to get 30% more links up for the same dollar, its not much of a risk being the first, considering the future potential reward. If the WISP's timeline is also spread out over the year, they have plenty of time to wait for bug fixes, before the bulk of the deployments. The golden question right now is, what price is Trango going to be at? The prospective buyers are predicting a low cost entry point, just because Trango has Always delivered industry leading price point, to jump start volume adoption in the industry. However, prior to seeing the price released, I'll say Dragon wave has the upper hand, for potentially being able to be the price leader based on their all outdoor design, compared to Trango's half and half indoor/outdoor. I will tell you, the most exciting news of the year for me, is clearly Trango's entry into the Licensed space. I selected them once for their Superior designs, and wouldn't hesitate to do it again, if they follow their own suit with the initial mentality of innovated products, such as the 5830 product line in it's day. With that said... I spoke with Dragon Wave, at the IWPC workshop this week. These guys get it, and is going to be a tough act to follow. The Dragon wave vision is to have a single management platform and infrastructure design for all your needs. Dragon wave is also very highly considering launching an E-band or 60Ghz product to their line, in the near future. Could you imagine that? Thats a product line that could bring WISPs to carrier class. Licensed Backhaul, GB near interference-free last mile. Tom DeReggi Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Charles Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 9:16 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga The question with Trango always is who wants to be first... (Free beta testers don't count) -Charles --- WiNOG Wireless Roadshows Coming to a City Near You http://www.winog.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 1:43 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga Anyone have any experience with Trango's new product? How does it compare to similar products? -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga
That's the new dragonwave horizon pricing? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 6:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga Honestly I was a little disappointed with the pricing... I thought it would be more aggressive from the newest player on the block. For the 100Mbps full-duplex version, it was only about 25% less than a similar Dragonwave setup. I guess I was hoping for more like 50% less. :) Travis Microserv Matt Liotta wrote: Our Trango rep provided us with a price quote. I didn't speak to the person directly, so I don't know if I am allowed to share or if it was based on a volume commitment. I will say it is in line with what most people are expecting out of Trango price wise. -Matt Tom DeReggi wrote: Charles, That statement, really depends on the price that is relased, and the volume the buyer is considering, as well as their time frame. If someone is planning on dropping 1/4-1/2 million on Licensed gear in a year, and the price is really good, allowing the provider to get 30% more links up for the same dollar, its not much of a risk being the first, considering the future potential reward. If the WISP's timeline is also spread out over the year, they have plenty of time to wait for bug fixes, before the bulk of the deployments. The golden question right now is, what price is Trango going to be at? The prospective buyers are predicting a low cost entry point, just because Trango has Always delivered industry leading price point, to jump start volume adoption in the industry. However, prior to seeing the price released, I'll say Dragon wave has the upper hand, for potentially being able to be the price leader based on their all outdoor design, compared to Trango's half and half indoor/outdoor. I will tell you, the most exciting news of the year for me, is clearly Trango's entry into the Licensed space. I selected them once for their Superior designs, and wouldn't hesitate to do it again, if they follow their own suit with the initial mentality of innovated products, such as the 5830 product line in it's day. With that said... I spoke with Dragon Wave, at the IWPC workshop this week. These guys get it, and is going to be a tough act to follow. The Dragon wave vision is to have a single management platform and infrastructure design for all your needs. Dragon wave is also very highly considering launching an E-band or 60Ghz product to their line, in the near future. Could you imagine that? Thats a product line that could bring WISPs to carrier class. Licensed Backhaul, GB near interference-free last mile. Tom DeReggi Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Charles Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 9:16 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga The question with Trango always is who wants to be first... (Free beta testers don't count) -Charles --- WiNOG Wireless Roadshows Coming to a City Near You http://www.winog.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 1:43 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga Anyone have any experience with Trango's new product? How does it compare to similar products? -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga
No... this was for their IDU/ODU fixed 100Mbps unit from both Trango and Dragonwave. Travis Microserv Gino Villarini wrote: That's the new dragonwave horizon pricing? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 6:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga Honestly I was a little disappointed with the pricing... I thought it would be more aggressive from the newest player on the block. For the 100Mbps full-duplex version, it was only about 25% less than a similar Dragonwave setup. I guess I was hoping for more like 50% less. :) Travis Microserv Matt Liotta wrote: Our Trango rep provided us with a price quote. I didn't speak to the person directly, so I don't know if I am allowed to share or if it was based on a volume commitment. I will say it is in line with what most people are expecting out of Trango price wise. -Matt Tom DeReggi wrote: Charles, That statement, really depends on the price that is relased, and the volume the buyer is considering, as well as their time frame. If someone is planning on dropping 1/4-1/2 million on Licensed gear in a year, and the price is really good, allowing the provider to get 30% more links up for the same dollar, its not much of a risk being the first, considering the future potential reward. If the WISP's timeline is also spread out over the year, they have plenty of time to wait for bug fixes, before the bulk of the deployments. The golden question right now is, what price is Trango going to be at? The prospective buyers are predicting a low cost entry point, just because Trango has Always delivered industry leading price point, to jump start volume adoption in the industry. However, prior to seeing the price released, I'll say Dragon wave has the upper hand, for potentially being able to be the price leader based on their all outdoor design, compared to Trango's half and half indoor/outdoor. I will tell you, the most exciting news of the year for me, is clearly Trango's entry into the Licensed space. I selected them once for their Superior designs, and wouldn't hesitate to do it again, if they follow their own suit with the initial mentality of innovated products, such as the 5830 product line in it's day. With that said... I spoke with Dragon Wave, at the IWPC workshop this week. These guys get it, and is going to be a tough act to follow. The Dragon wave vision is to have a single management platform and infrastructure design for all your needs. Dragon wave is also very highly considering launching an E-band or 60Ghz product to their line, in the near future. Could you imagine that? Thats a product line that could bring WISPs to carrier class. Licensed Backhaul, GB near interference-free last mile. Tom DeReggi Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Charles Wu" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 9:16 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga The question with Trango always is who wants to be first... (Free beta testers don't count) -Charles --- WiNOG Wireless Roadshows Coming to a City Near You http://www.winog.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 1:43 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga Anyone have any experience with Trango's new product? How does it compare to similar products? -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga
So basically the Horizon would be the same or less and its poe Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 7:01 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga No... this was for their IDU/ODU fixed 100Mbps unit from both Trango and Dragonwave. Travis Microserv Gino Villarini wrote: That's the new dragonwave horizon pricing? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 6:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga Honestly I was a little disappointed with the pricing... I thought it would be more aggressive from the newest player on the block. For the 100Mbps full-duplex version, it was only about 25% less than a similar Dragonwave setup. I guess I was hoping for more like 50% less. :) Travis Microserv Matt Liotta wrote: Our Trango rep provided us with a price quote. I didn't speak to the person directly, so I don't know if I am allowed to share or if it was based on a volume commitment. I will say it is in line with what most people are expecting out of Trango price wise. -Matt Tom DeReggi wrote: Charles, That statement, really depends on the price that is relased, and the volume the buyer is considering, as well as their time frame. If someone is planning on dropping 1/4-1/2 million on Licensed gear in a year, and the price is really good, allowing the provider to get 30% more links up for the same dollar, its not much of a risk being the first, considering the future potential reward. If the WISP's timeline is also spread out over the year, they have plenty of time to wait for bug fixes, before the bulk of the deployments. The golden question right now is, what price is Trango going to be at? The prospective buyers are predicting a low cost entry point, just because Trango has Always delivered industry leading price point, to jump start volume adoption in the industry. However, prior to seeing the price released, I'll say Dragon wave has the upper hand, for potentially being able to be the price leader based on their all outdoor design, compared to Trango's half and half indoor/outdoor. I will tell you, the most exciting news of the year for me, is clearly Trango's entry into the Licensed space. I selected them once for their Superior designs, and wouldn't hesitate to do it again, if they follow their own suit with the initial mentality of innovated products, such as the 5830 product line in it's day. With that said... I spoke with Dragon Wave, at the IWPC workshop this week. These guys get it, and is going to be a tough act to follow. The Dragon wave vision is to have a single management platform and infrastructure design for all your needs. Dragon wave is also very highly considering launching an E-band or 60Ghz product to their line, in the near future. Could you imagine that? Thats a product line that could bring WISPs to carrier class. Licensed Backhaul, GB near interference-free last mile. Tom DeReggi Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Charles Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 9:16 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga The question with Trango always is who wants to be first... (Free beta testers don't count) -Charles
Re: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga
Not sure... but Dragonwave's PoE is not standard PoE... you have to purchase their expensive, proprietary cables with the radios... so if you are running a new cable, why not just run LMR400 and not ever have to worry about it again? Travis Microserv Gino Villarini wrote: So basically the Horizon would be the same or less and its poe Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 7:01 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga No... this was for their IDU/ODU fixed 100Mbps unit from both Trango and Dragonwave. Travis Microserv Gino Villarini wrote: That's the new dragonwave horizon pricing? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 6:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga Honestly I was a little disappointed with the pricing... I thought it would be more aggressive from the newest player on the block. For the 100Mbps full-duplex version, it was only about 25% less than a similar Dragonwave setup. I guess I was hoping for more like 50% less. :) Travis Microserv Matt Liotta wrote: Our Trango rep provided us with a price quote. I didn't speak to the person directly, so I don't know if I am allowed to share or if it was based on a volume commitment. I will say it is in line with what most people are expecting out of Trango price wise. -Matt Tom DeReggi wrote: Charles, That statement, really depends on the price that is relased, and the volume the buyer is considering, as well as their time frame. If someone is planning on dropping 1/4-1/2 million on Licensed gear in a year, and the price is really good, allowing the provider to get 30% more links up for the same dollar, its not much of a risk being the first, considering the future potential reward. If the WISP's timeline is also spread out over the year, they have plenty of time to wait for bug fixes, before the bulk of the deployments. The golden question right now is, what price is Trango going to be at? The prospective buyers are predicting a low cost entry point, just because Trango has Always delivered industry leading price point, to jump start volume adoption in the industry. However, prior to seeing the price released, I'll say Dragon wave has the upper hand, for potentially being able to be the price leader based on their all outdoor design, compared to Trango's half and half indoor/outdoor. I will tell you, the most exciting news of the year for me, is clearly Trango's entry into the Licensed space. I selected them once for their Superior designs, and wouldn't hesitate to do it again, if they follow their own suit with the initial mentality of innovated products, such as the 5830 product line in it's day. With that said... I spoke with Dragon Wave, at the IWPC workshop this week. These guys get it, and is going to be a tough act to follow. The Dragon wave vision is to have a single management platform and infrastructure design for all your needs. Dragon wave is also very highly considering launching an E-band or 60Ghz product to their line, in the near future. Could you imagine that? Thats a product line that could bring WISPs to carrier class. Licensed Backhaul, GB near interference-free last mile. Tom DeReggi Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Charles Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 9:16 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga The question with Trango always is who wants to be first... (Free beta testers don't count) -Charles --- WiNOG Wireless Roadshows Coming to a City Near You http://www.winog.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 1:43 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga Anyone have any experience with Trango's new product
[WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga
Anyone have any experience with Trango's new product? How does it compare to similar products? -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga
The question with Trango always is who wants to be first... (Free beta testers don't count) -Charles --- WiNOG Wireless Roadshows Coming to a City Near You http://www.winog.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 1:43 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga Anyone have any experience with Trango's new product? How does it compare to similar products? -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga
I'd be happy to even get a price quote from them... :( Travis Microserv Charles Wu wrote: The question with Trango always is who wants to be first... (Free beta testers don't count) -Charles --- WiNOG Wireless Roadshows Coming to a City Near You http://www.winog.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 1:43 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga Anyone have any experience with Trango's new product? How does it compare to similar products? -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga
E-Band (70 - 80 GHz). 2.5 miles Not Likely in George's neck of the woods. I think he's in one of the highest Rain/Fog zones (Fade). Possibly Bridgewave's AR80X, if he's got 30+ grand to spend. He's better off with Licensed, which he'll be able to do under 15K. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 2:41 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga Check manufacturers in the That should do what you need, and be damn quick at it. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 1:05 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga Charles Wu wrote: Saw them in Vegas, they're completely separate / different radios from Dragonwave As for deployments, it's still pretty new and probably still in beta (they literally just finished the GUI interface the day before InterOp in Vegas) Now, someone just has to step up and be first to try to new Trango =/ -Charles I'm fairly certain I don't want to be the first to try anything. But I will be needing to install a new backhaul that doesn't operate in any of the 5 gig unlicensed frequencies, or six gig. It needs to be duplex go 2.5 miles and through fog in a rainy environment. Any suggestions with pricing? It's something I have to do within the next 3 months. George -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.4/825 - Release Date: 5/30/2007 3:03 PM -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga
I would like something fast and duplex. Guess fast would be 45 megs. 100 would be good. It's a back haul from a fiber feed and it's serving a half a dozen 5gig and 2 gig ap's that are not rate limited. George Gino Villarini wrote: George How much bandwidth needed, range ? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 10:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga E-Band (70 - 80 GHz). 2.5 miles Not Likely in George's neck of the woods. I think he's in one of the highest Rain/Fog zones (Fade). Possibly Bridgewave's AR80X, if he's got 30+ grand to spend. He's better off with Licensed, which he'll be able to do under 15K. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 2:41 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga Check manufacturers in the That should do what you need, and be damn quick at it. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 1:05 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga Charles Wu wrote: Saw them in Vegas, they're completely separate / different radios from Dragonwave As for deployments, it's still pretty new and probably still in beta (they literally just finished the GUI interface the day before InterOp in Vegas) Now, someone just has to step up and be first to try to new Trango =/ -Charles I'm fairly certain I don't want to be the first to try anything. But I will be needing to install a new backhaul that doesn't operate in any of the 5 gig unlicensed frequencies, or six gig. It needs to be duplex go 2.5 miles and through fog in a rainy environment. Any suggestions with pricing? It's something I have to do within the next 3 months. George -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.4/825 - Release Date: 5/30/2007 3:03 PM -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga
Range ? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 11:31 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga I would like something fast and duplex. Guess fast would be 45 megs. 100 would be good. It's a back haul from a fiber feed and it's serving a half a dozen 5gig and 2 gig ap's that are not rate limited. George Gino Villarini wrote: George How much bandwidth needed, range ? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 10:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga E-Band (70 - 80 GHz). 2.5 miles Not Likely in George's neck of the woods. I think he's in one of the highest Rain/Fog zones (Fade). Possibly Bridgewave's AR80X, if he's got 30+ grand to spend. He's better off with Licensed, which he'll be able to do under 15K. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 2:41 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga Check manufacturers in the That should do what you need, and be damn quick at it. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 1:05 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga Charles Wu wrote: Saw them in Vegas, they're completely separate / different radios from Dragonwave As for deployments, it's still pretty new and probably still in beta (they literally just finished the GUI interface the day before InterOp in Vegas) Now, someone just has to step up and be first to try to new Trango =/ -Charles I'm fairly certain I don't want to be the first to try anything. But I will be needing to install a new backhaul that doesn't operate in any of the 5 gig unlicensed frequencies, or six gig. It needs to be duplex go 2.5 miles and through fog in a rainy environment. Any suggestions with pricing? It's something I have to do within the next 3 months. George -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.4/825 - Release Date: 5/30/2007 3:03 PM -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga
Range is about 2.5 miles It crosses a river and the river is fogged in many many mornings. We also are considered a rain forest. Licensed is the preference unless there is something not in the typical 5 gig 2 gig frequencies. George Gino Villarini wrote: Range ? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 11:31 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga I would like something fast and duplex. Guess fast would be 45 megs. 100 would be good. It's a back haul from a fiber feed and it's serving a half a dozen 5gig and 2 gig ap's that are not rate limited. George Gino Villarini wrote: George How much bandwidth needed, range ? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 10:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga E-Band (70 - 80 GHz). 2.5 miles Not Likely in George's neck of the woods. I think he's in one of the highest Rain/Fog zones (Fade). Possibly Bridgewave's AR80X, if he's got 30+ grand to spend. He's better off with Licensed, which he'll be able to do under 15K. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 2:41 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga Check manufacturers in the That should do what you need, and be damn quick at it. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 1:05 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga Charles Wu wrote: Saw them in Vegas, they're completely separate / different radios from Dragonwave As for deployments, it's still pretty new and probably still in beta (they literally just finished the GUI interface the day before InterOp in Vegas) Now, someone just has to step up and be first to try to new Trango =/ -Charles I'm fairly certain I don't want to be the first to try anything. But I will be needing to install a new backhaul that doesn't operate in any of the 5 gig unlicensed frequencies, or six gig. It needs to be duplex go 2.5 miles and through fog in a rainy environment. Any suggestions with pricing? It's something I have to do within the next 3 months. George -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.4/825 - Release Date: 5/30/2007 3:03 PM -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga
Whats under 15k and licensed? George Tom DeReggi wrote: E-Band (70 - 80 GHz). 2.5 miles Not Likely in George's neck of the woods. I think he's in one of the highest Rain/Fog zones (Fade). Possibly Bridgewave's AR80X, if he's got 30+ grand to spend. He's better off with Licensed, which he'll be able to do under 15K. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 2:41 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga Check manufacturers in the That should do what you need, and be damn quick at it. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 1:05 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga Charles Wu wrote: Saw them in Vegas, they're completely separate / different radios from Dragonwave As for deployments, it's still pretty new and probably still in beta (they literally just finished the GUI interface the day before InterOp in Vegas) Now, someone just has to step up and be first to try to new Trango =/ -Charles I'm fairly certain I don't want to be the first to try anything. But I will be needing to install a new backhaul that doesn't operate in any of the 5 gig unlicensed frequencies, or six gig. It needs to be duplex go 2.5 miles and through fog in a rainy environment. Any suggestions with pricing? It's something I have to do within the next 3 months. George -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.4/825 - Release Date: 5/30/2007 3:03 PM -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga
Redline AN80 in 5.4 up ghz to 90 mbps Motorola PTP 600 (aka Spectra) in 5.4 ghz (available soon) Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 11:50 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga Range is about 2.5 miles It crosses a river and the river is fogged in many many mornings. We also are considered a rain forest. Licensed is the preference unless there is something not in the typical 5 gig 2 gig frequencies. George Gino Villarini wrote: Range ? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 11:31 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga I would like something fast and duplex. Guess fast would be 45 megs. 100 would be good. It's a back haul from a fiber feed and it's serving a half a dozen 5gig and 2 gig ap's that are not rate limited. George Gino Villarini wrote: George How much bandwidth needed, range ? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 10:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga E-Band (70 - 80 GHz). 2.5 miles Not Likely in George's neck of the woods. I think he's in one of the highest Rain/Fog zones (Fade). Possibly Bridgewave's AR80X, if he's got 30+ grand to spend. He's better off with Licensed, which he'll be able to do under 15K. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 2:41 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga Check manufacturers in the That should do what you need, and be damn quick at it. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 1:05 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga Charles Wu wrote: Saw them in Vegas, they're completely separate / different radios from Dragonwave As for deployments, it's still pretty new and probably still in beta (they literally just finished the GUI interface the day before InterOp in Vegas) Now, someone just has to step up and be first to try to new Trango =/ -Charles I'm fairly certain I don't want to be the first to try anything. But I will be needing to install a new backhaul that doesn't operate in any of the 5 gig unlicensed frequencies, or six gig. It needs to be duplex go 2.5 miles and through fog in a rainy environment. Any suggestions with pricing? It's something I have to do within the next 3 months. George -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.4/825 - Release Date: 5/30/2007 3:03 PM -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga
I'm hoping to avoid the 5.4 stuff. Figure 5.4 will soon be multi point stuff. I hate to shoot myself in the foot with that. George Gino Villarini wrote: Redline AN80 in 5.4 up ghz to 90 mbps Motorola PTP 600 (aka Spectra) in 5.4 ghz (available soon) Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 11:50 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga Range is about 2.5 miles It crosses a river and the river is fogged in many many mornings. We also are considered a rain forest. Licensed is the preference unless there is something not in the typical 5 gig 2 gig frequencies. George Gino Villarini wrote: Range ? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 11:31 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga I would like something fast and duplex. Guess fast would be 45 megs. 100 would be good. It's a back haul from a fiber feed and it's serving a half a dozen 5gig and 2 gig ap's that are not rate limited. George Gino Villarini wrote: George How much bandwidth needed, range ? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 10:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga E-Band (70 - 80 GHz). 2.5 miles Not Likely in George's neck of the woods. I think he's in one of the highest Rain/Fog zones (Fade). Possibly Bridgewave's AR80X, if he's got 30+ grand to spend. He's better off with Licensed, which he'll be able to do under 15K. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 2:41 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga Check manufacturers in the That should do what you need, and be damn quick at it. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 1:05 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga Charles Wu wrote: Saw them in Vegas, they're completely separate / different radios from Dragonwave As for deployments, it's still pretty new and probably still in beta (they literally just finished the GUI interface the day before InterOp in Vegas) Now, someone just has to step up and be first to try to new Trango =/ -Charles I'm fairly certain I don't want to be the first to try anything. But I will be needing to install a new backhaul that doesn't operate in any of the 5 gig unlicensed frequencies, or six gig. It needs to be duplex go 2.5 miles and through fog in a rainy environment. Any suggestions with pricing? It's something I have to do within the next 3 months. George -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.4/825 - Release Date: 5/30/2007 3:03 PM -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga
There are 225 mhz available there ..., Dragonwave Horizon 18 ghz link is a lincensed option. Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 1:58 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga I'm hoping to avoid the 5.4 stuff. Figure 5.4 will soon be multi point stuff. I hate to shoot myself in the foot with that. George Gino Villarini wrote: Redline AN80 in 5.4 up ghz to 90 mbps Motorola PTP 600 (aka Spectra) in 5.4 ghz (available soon) Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 11:50 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga Range is about 2.5 miles It crosses a river and the river is fogged in many many mornings. We also are considered a rain forest. Licensed is the preference unless there is something not in the typical 5 gig 2 gig frequencies. George Gino Villarini wrote: Range ? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 11:31 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga I would like something fast and duplex. Guess fast would be 45 megs. 100 would be good. It's a back haul from a fiber feed and it's serving a half a dozen 5gig and 2 gig ap's that are not rate limited. George Gino Villarini wrote: George How much bandwidth needed, range ? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 10:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga E-Band (70 - 80 GHz). 2.5 miles Not Likely in George's neck of the woods. I think he's in one of the highest Rain/Fog zones (Fade). Possibly Bridgewave's AR80X, if he's got 30+ grand to spend. He's better off with Licensed, which he'll be able to do under 15K. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 2:41 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga Check manufacturers in the That should do what you need, and be damn quick at it. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 1:05 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga Charles Wu wrote: Saw them in Vegas, they're completely separate / different radios from Dragonwave As for deployments, it's still pretty new and probably still in beta (they literally just finished the GUI interface the day before InterOp in Vegas) Now, someone just has to step up and be first to try to new Trango =/ -Charles I'm fairly certain I don't want to be the first to try anything. But I will be needing to install a new backhaul that doesn't operate in any of the 5 gig unlicensed frequencies, or six gig. It needs to be duplex go 2.5 miles and through fog in a rainy environment. Any suggestions with pricing? It's something I have to do within the next 3 months. George -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.4/825 - Release Date: 5/30/2007 3:03 PM -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga -- Dragonwave Horizon
George, DragonWave 18 Ghz Horizon will most likely do the job for you -- here's a web link for more info: http://www.dragonwaveinc.com/products-horizon.asp What's nice about it is that you can buy it at 50 Mb, and upgrade it (via software) up to 400 Mb The scary thing is the price of licensed radios have come down so far that once you get above 50 Mb FD, it's almost cheaper to go licensed I'll ping you offlist with info -Charles CTI Dragonwave Distributor PAID WISPA Vendor Member -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 1:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga Charles Wu wrote: Saw them in Vegas, they're completely separate / different radios from Dragonwave As for deployments, it's still pretty new and probably still in beta (they literally just finished the GUI interface the day before InterOp in Vegas) Now, someone just has to step up and be first to try to new Trango =/ -Charles I'm fairly certain I don't want to be the first to try anything. But I will be needing to install a new backhaul that doesn't operate in any of the 5 gig unlicensed frequencies, or six gig. It needs to be duplex go 2.5 miles and through fog in a rainy environment. Any suggestions with pricing? It's something I have to do within the next 3 months. George -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga -- Dragonwave Horizon
Thanks Charles Charles Wu wrote: George, DragonWave 18 Ghz Horizon will most likely do the job for you -- here's a web link for more info: http://www.dragonwaveinc.com/products-horizon.asp What's nice about it is that you can buy it at 50 Mb, and upgrade it (via software) up to 400 Mb The scary thing is the price of licensed radios have come down so far that once you get above 50 Mb FD, it's almost cheaper to go licensed I'll ping you offlist with info -Charles CTI Dragonwave Distributor PAID WISPA Vendor Member -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Trangolink Giga
anyone seen/used these yet ? Looks kinda like Dragonwave stuff. http://www.trangobroadband.com/products/TrangoLINK_Giga.shtml -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga
Saw them in Vegas, they're completely separate / different radios from Dragonwave As for deployments, it's still pretty new and probably still in beta (they literally just finished the GUI interface the day before InterOp in Vegas) Now, someone just has to step up and be first to try to new Trango =/ -Charles --- WiNOG Wireless Roadshows Coming to a City Near You http://www.winog.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Smith, Rick Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 6:52 AM To: WISPA General List; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga anyone seen/used these yet ? Looks kinda like Dragonwave stuff. http://www.trangobroadband.com/products/TrangoLINK_Giga.shtml -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga
I also saw a new and revamped Atlas PTP replacement Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 10:34 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga Saw them in Vegas, they're completely separate / different radios from Dragonwave As for deployments, it's still pretty new and probably still in beta (they literally just finished the GUI interface the day before InterOp in Vegas) Now, someone just has to step up and be first to try to new Trango =/ -Charles --- WiNOG Wireless Roadshows Coming to a City Near You http://www.winog.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Smith, Rick Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 6:52 AM To: WISPA General List; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga anyone seen/used these yet ? Looks kinda like Dragonwave stuff. http://www.trangobroadband.com/products/TrangoLINK_Giga.shtml -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga
I'd love to... but it seems they aren't real excited about trying a 30 mile link with 18ghz. ;) Travis Microserv Charles Wu wrote: Saw them in Vegas, they're completely separate / different radios from Dragonwave As for deployments, it's still pretty new and probably still in beta (they literally just finished the GUI interface the day before InterOp in Vegas) Now, someone just has to step up and be first to try to new Trango =/ -Charles --- WiNOG Wireless Roadshows Coming to a City Near You http://www.winog.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Smith, Rick Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 6:52 AM To: WISPA General List; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga anyone seen/used these yet ? Looks kinda like Dragonwave stuff. http://www.trangobroadband.com/products/TrangoLINK_Giga.shtml -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga
As for Trango Giga... Looks like a very exciting product, and hopefully they'll have an exciting price to go with it. As for testing, I'm planning on it. There is no shortage of willing beta testers. The hard part is paying for it :-) I think Trango's product is really going to put the preasure on hard to competitors like DragonWave. I'd like to bring up the point that Dragon Waves' ALL OUTDOOR Horizon product gives it a big advantage for WISPs with limited indoor colocation options. Expecially in Urban areas where Management companies try and charge for every closet (Rack) Space they can charge for. With only needing indoor POE, it makes it much easier to just replace existing 5.8G gear with little effort, and NO renegotiation with Property owners. Of course there is also benefits of combo indoor/outdoor unit models. As for Wimax 5.8Ghz Sector models I think that is a thing of the past at this stage of the industry, atleast in Urban areas. Customers are expecting higher expectations from their provider, that PtMP may not be able to deliver long term. The future is about PtP last mile, and small channel sizes to enable a larger number of links. What they need to do is get the Atlas PtP down under $1000, with small channel size support. PTP is the only way to survive the noise floor, in most of Urban America today. PtMP was a transition technology, that WiMax was 5 years to late to the party. Due to new PTP trends, Many buildings may be left unserved, but in favor or being able to better serve the ones that have committed already to the technology first. I have a lot of respect for the Atlas PTP line, and it was well priced for Backhaul purposes, however 5.8Ghz backhaul is also starting to become a thing of the past, as new breed Licensed technology replaces it. With Mikrotik/StarOS and Certified varients such as Deliberant or Tranzeo, there is no longer the need to pay top dollar for Last Mile PtP nor the reason to justify PTP for just Backhaul anymore. PTP is becomming a low cost last mile solution today. As for WImax/PtP, is there really anything someone can offer more than what Alvarion already offers in their Commnet program? I'd argue, not much. Why build a new product to compete agaisnt these tried and true technologies? Again, I'm not saying a new PtMP WimAx product won't be embraced, I'm jsut saying the market is changing, and what we need today is rock bottom low cost High quality Last Mile PTPs, and reasonable cost Solid as a rock super high performance Backhaul. Trango Gets it, which is why they are jumping right to the future, and concentrating on making a best of breed Licensed Backhaul Product. Now whether the Atlas PtP price drops, that is uncertain. I'd like to see it happen. Just my 2 cents and predictions. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Charles Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 10:33 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga Saw them in Vegas, they're completely separate / different radios from Dragonwave As for deployments, it's still pretty new and probably still in beta (they literally just finished the GUI interface the day before InterOp in Vegas) Now, someone just has to step up and be first to try to new Trango =/ -Charles --- WiNOG Wireless Roadshows Coming to a City Near You http://www.winog.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Smith, Rick Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 6:52 AM To: WISPA General List; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga anyone seen/used these yet ? Looks kinda like Dragonwave stuff. http://www.trangobroadband.com/products/TrangoLINK_Giga.shtml -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.4/825 - Release Date: 5/30/2007 3:03 PM -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga
Charles Wu wrote: Saw them in Vegas, they're completely separate / different radios from Dragonwave As for deployments, it's still pretty new and probably still in beta (they literally just finished the GUI interface the day before InterOp in Vegas) Now, someone just has to step up and be first to try to new Trango =/ -Charles I'm fairly certain I don't want to be the first to try anything. But I will be needing to install a new backhaul that doesn't operate in any of the 5 gig unlicensed frequencies, or six gig. It needs to be duplex go 2.5 miles and through fog in a rainy environment. Any suggestions with pricing? It's something I have to do within the next 3 months. George -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga
Check manufacturers in the E-Band (70 - 80 GHz). That should do what you need, and be damn quick at it. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 1:05 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga Charles Wu wrote: Saw them in Vegas, they're completely separate / different radios from Dragonwave As for deployments, it's still pretty new and probably still in beta (they literally just finished the GUI interface the day before InterOp in Vegas) Now, someone just has to step up and be first to try to new Trango =/ -Charles I'm fairly certain I don't want to be the first to try anything. But I will be needing to install a new backhaul that doesn't operate in any of the 5 gig unlicensed frequencies, or six gig. It needs to be duplex go 2.5 miles and through fog in a rainy environment. Any suggestions with pricing? It's something I have to do within the next 3 months. George -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
