Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
All this talk of speedtests over mobile networks got me interested. Here are my results. http://www.speedtest.net/result/1249343037.png WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
You better slow down a little bit. They charge extra for those speeds:) On Tuesday, April 12, 2011, Jeremy Parr jeremyp...@gmail.com wrote: All this talk of speedtests over mobile networks got me interested. Here are my results. http://www.speedtest.net/result/1249343037.png WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
Shared, aka burst = $99.95/month. Dedicated = $1000/month. On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 12:37 AM, John Thomas jtho...@quarnet.com wrote: Rick, what price are you offering 10 megs at? In our neck of the woods Towerstream is doing 8 meg at $800 per month. John On 4/5/2011 9:23 PM, RickG wrote: Thats what I thought which is why I spent so much time and money on upgrading. I've got 30-50 megs at nearly every tower and I started offering 10Mbps posted rates. I even lowered the upgrade prices above 3Mbps. Very few care and even fewer take it. In fact, I have some that ask if we have a slower plan! I'm starting to be concerned that dial-up is good enough! On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 12:15 AM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: For now. I doubt that you will be able to sustain that 90% with 1.5 or 3.0 indefinitely. I know we won't. - Jerry *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *RickG *Sent:* Tuesday, April 05, 2011 9:08 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update +100%! I've upgraded my network to the point that I cant anymore but 90% of the customers are fine with 1.5 or 3Mbps! On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 9:27 AM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: The other question is how much do you pay for the service? It all comes down to price. I can deliver 10Mbps x 10Mbps up to 300Mbps x 300Mbps to anyone that wants it... however, most people don't want to pay for it... ;) Travis Microserv On 4/5/2011 5:37 AM, Charles Wu wrote: It's generally known that the 20 Mb burst given by cable companies is throttled to sustained download speeds in the 1-3 Mb range That said, the point I'm trying to make is that the technology has come so far for mobile cellular data that we are now unconsciously comparing it side-by-side to fixed terrestrial broadband technologies (think of it this way, how many WISPs can deliver up-to speeds of 8-10 Mb to a low power handset in the middle of a concrete building 3+ miles away from a tower) -Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of St. Louis Broadband Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:33 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update I just checked my Charter via Ookla and it said I was getting 20 Mbps down and 1 Mbps up, horse pucky. I only get that in speedtests and never when I have to upload or download a big file via FTP or whatever. It generally gets throttled to dial up speeds or worse. ~V~ -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update Sitting in my living room at 8 pm3 bars, laptop connected to wireless router on phone http://www.speedtest.net/result/1236758959.png -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 6:39 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW Yeah, its nice when a product is brand new, and you get the whole sector all to yourself. I guess, its amazing that you are getting the speed to a handset, without the big antenna outside. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Charles Wuc...@cticonnect.com To:paolo.difrance...@level7.it; WISPA GeneralList wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 8:31 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW It is my understanding that Verizon is deploying an FDD version of LTE -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 11:09 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW most of the test are half duplex tests. In few words, they do one direction, then the other direction (e.g. first the customer download, then the customer upload). Suppose you have a 10Mb half duplex: the test will tell you that you have 10Mb in one direction and 10Mb in the other direction. Then you use the connection in 10Mb full duplex and you will discover the story is totally different ;) Also, yes it's interesting to see what is happening on the network interface when the test is running... Do a real test and report back, like FTP. Ookla Speedtest.net test are bogus 99.9% percent of the time because it's based on screwy test algorithms. On 04/01/2011 11:05 PM, Charles Wu wrote: Just got my HTC Thunderbolt, and Ookla tested 20 Mb down, 24 Mb up at Speedtest.Net to my handset -Charles
Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
Rick, what price are you offering 10 megs at? In our neck of the woods Towerstream is doing 8 meg at $800 per month. John On 4/5/2011 9:23 PM, RickG wrote: Thats what I thought which is why I spent so much time and money on upgrading. I've got 30-50 megs at nearly every tower and I started offering 10Mbps posted rates. I even lowered the upgrade prices above 3Mbps. Very few care and even fewer take it. In fact, I have some that ask if we have a slower plan! I'm starting to be concerned that dial-up is good enough! On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 12:15 AM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com mailto:jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: For now. I doubt that you will be able to sustain that 90% with 1.5 or 3.0 indefinitely. I know we won't. - Jerry *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *RickG *Sent:* Tuesday, April 05, 2011 9:08 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update +100%! I've upgraded my network to the point that I cant anymore but 90% of the customers are fine with 1.5 or 3Mbps! On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 9:27 AM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net mailto:t...@ida.net wrote: The other question is how much do you pay for the service? It all comes down to price. I can deliver 10Mbps x 10Mbps up to 300Mbps x 300Mbps to anyone that wants it... however, most people don't want to pay for it... ;) Travis Microserv On 4/5/2011 5:37 AM, Charles Wu wrote: It's generally known that the 20 Mb burst given by cable companies is throttled to sustained download speeds in the 1-3 Mb range That said, the point I'm trying to make is that the technology has come so far for mobile cellular data that we are now unconsciously comparing it side-by-side to fixed terrestrial broadband technologies (think of it this way, how many WISPs can deliver up-to speeds of 8-10 Mb to a low power handset in the middle of a concrete building 3+ miles away from a tower) -Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of St. Louis Broadband Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:33 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update I just checked my Charter via Ookla and it said I was getting 20 Mbps down and 1 Mbps up, horse pucky. I only get that in speedtests and never when I have to upload or download a big file via FTP or whatever. It generally gets throttled to dial up speeds or worse. ~V~ -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update Sitting in my living room at 8 pm3 bars, laptop connected to wireless router on phone http://www.speedtest.net/result/1236758959.png -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 6:39 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW Yeah, its nice when a product is brand new, and you get the whole sector all to yourself. I guess, its amazing that you are getting the speed to a handset, without the big antenna outside. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Charles Wuc...@cticonnect.com mailto:c...@cticonnect.com To:paolo.difrance...@level7.it mailto:paolo.difrance...@level7.it; WISPA GeneralListwireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 8:31 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW It is my understanding that Verizon is deploying an FDD version of LTE -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 11:09 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW most of the test are half duplex tests. In few words, they do one direction, then the other direction (e.g. first the customer download, then the customer upload
Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
With competition where we are our lowest plan is 3meg and goes to 12. I think one other poster was right. It will be a continuous struggle to innovate and change. That is why I'm always looking at where this industry is going. One mistake I think that a lot of wisps make is selling their service to low. I know several close to me that are selling their self short. If built right our service is superior to dsl and Comcast. I don't save people on their Internet service (I do that on their phone). Just my 2 cents. On Tuesday, April 5, 2011, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: For now. I doubt that you will be able to sustain that 90% with 1.5 or 3.0 indefinitely. I know we won't. - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 9:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update +100%! I've upgraded my network to the point that I cant anymore but 90% of the customers are fine with 1.5 or 3Mbps!On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 9:27 AM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote:The other question is how much do you pay for the service? It all comes down to price. I can deliver 10Mbps x 10Mbps up to 300Mbps x 300Mbps to anyone that wants it... however, most people don't want to pay for it... ;) Travis Microserv On 4/5/2011 5:37 AM, Charles Wu wrote: It's generally known that the 20 Mb burst given by cable companies is throttled to sustained download speeds in the 1-3 Mb range That said, the point I'm trying to make is that the technology has come so far for mobile cellular data that we are now unconsciously comparing it side-by-side to fixed terrestrial broadband technologies (think of it this way, how many WISPs can deliver up-to speeds of 8-10 Mb to a low power handset in the middle of a concrete building 3+ miles away from a tower) -Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of St. Louis Broadband Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:33 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update I just checked my Charter via Ookla and it said I was getting 20 Mbps down and 1 Mbps up, horse pucky. I only get that in speedtests and never when I have to upload or download a big file via FTP or whatever. It generally gets throttled to dial up speeds or worse. ~V~ -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update Sitting in my living room at 8 pm3 bars, laptop connected to wireless router on phone http://www.speedtest.net/result/1236758959.png -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 6:39 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW Yeah, its nice when a product is brand new, and you get the whole sector all to yourself. I guess, its amazing that you are getting the speed to a handset, without the big antenna outside. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Charles Wuc...@cticonnect.com To:paolo.difrance...@level7.it; WISPA GeneralListwireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 8:31 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW It is my understanding that Verizon is deploying an FDD version of LTE -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 11:09 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW most of the test are half No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1209 / Virus Database: 1500/3553 - Release Date: 04/05/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
What equipment are you running now for AP and CPE? On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 7:54 AM, Jeremie Chism jch...@tritontelephone.comwrote: With competition where we are our lowest plan is 3meg and goes to 12. I think one other poster was right. It will be a continuous struggle to innovate and change. That is why I'm always looking at where this industry is going. One mistake I think that a lot of wisps make is selling their service to low. I know several close to me that are selling their self short. If built right our service is superior to dsl and Comcast. I don't save people on their Internet service (I do that on their phone). Just my 2 cents. On Tuesday, April 5, 2011, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: For now. I doubt that you will be able to sustain that 90% with 1.5 or 3.0 indefinitely. I know we won't. - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 9:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update +100%! I've upgraded my network to the point that I cant anymore but 90% of the customers are fine with 1.5 or 3Mbps!On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 9:27 AM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote:The other question is how much do you pay for the service? It all comes down to price. I can deliver 10Mbps x 10Mbps up to 300Mbps x 300Mbps to anyone that wants it... however, most people don't want to pay for it... ;) Travis Microserv On 4/5/2011 5:37 AM, Charles Wu wrote: It's generally known that the 20 Mb burst given by cable companies is throttled to sustained download speeds in the 1-3 Mb range That said, the point I'm trying to make is that the technology has come so far for mobile cellular data that we are now unconsciously comparing it side-by-side to fixed terrestrial broadband technologies (think of it this way, how many WISPs can deliver up-to speeds of 8-10 Mb to a low power handset in the middle of a concrete building 3+ miles away from a tower) -Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of St. Louis Broadband Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:33 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update I just checked my Charter via Ookla and it said I was getting 20 Mbps down and 1 Mbps up, horse pucky. I only get that in speedtests and never when I have to upload or download a big file via FTP or whatever. It generally gets throttled to dial up speeds or worse. ~V~ -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update Sitting in my living room at 8 pm3 bars, laptop connected to wireless router on phone http://www.speedtest.net/result/1236758959.png -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 6:39 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW Yeah, its nice when a product is brand new, and you get the whole sector all to yourself. I guess, its amazing that you are getting the speed to a handset, without the big antenna outside. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Charles Wuc...@cticonnect.com To:paolo.difrance...@level7.it; WISPA GeneralList wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 8:31 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW It is my understanding that Verizon is deploying an FDD version of LTE -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 11:09 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW most of the test are half No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1209 / Virus Database: 1500/3553 - Release Date: 04/05/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
Axxcelera wimax to businesses. Looking at some ubnt for a new area. On Wednesday, April 6, 2011, Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com wrote: What equipment are you running now for AP and CPE? On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 7:54 AM, Jeremie Chism jch...@tritontelephone.com wrote: With competition where we are our lowest plan is 3meg and goes to 12. I think one other poster was right. It will be a continuous struggle to innovate and change. That is why I'm always looking at where this industry is going. One mistake I think that a lot of wisps make is selling their service to low. I know several close to me that are selling their self short. If built right our service is superior to dsl and Comcast. I don't save people on their Internet service (I do that on their phone). Just my 2 cents. On Tuesday, April 5, 2011, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: For now. I doubt that you will be able to sustain that 90% with 1.5 or 3.0 indefinitely. I know we won't. - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 9:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update +100%! I've upgraded my network to the point that I cant anymore but 90% of the customers are fine with 1.5 or 3Mbps!On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 9:27 AM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote:The other question is how much do you pay for the service? It all comes down to price. I can deliver 10Mbps x 10Mbps up to 300Mbps x 300Mbps to anyone that wants it... however, most people don't want to pay for it... ;) Travis Microserv On 4/5/2011 5:37 AM, Charles Wu wrote: It's generally known that the 20 Mb burst given by cable companies is throttled to sustained download speeds in the 1-3 Mb range That said, the point I'm trying to make is that the technology has come so far for mobile cellular data that we are now unconsciously comparing it side-by-side to fixed terrestrial broadband technologies (think of it this way, how many WISPs can deliver up-to speeds of 8-10 Mb to a low power handset in the middle of a concrete building 3+ miles away from a tower) -Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of St. Louis Broadband Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:33 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update I just checked my Charter via Ookla and it said I was getting 20 Mbps down and 1 Mbps up, horse pucky. I only get that in speedtests and never when I have to upload or download a big file via FTP or whatever. It generally gets throttled to dial up speeds or worse. ~V~ -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update Sitting in my living room at 8 pm3 bars, laptop connected to wireless router on phone http://www.speedtest.net/result/1236758959.png -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 6:39 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW Yeah, its nice when a product is brand new, and you get the whole sector all to yourself. I guess, its amazing that you are getting the speed to a handset, without th WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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80ms? Ouch. That must play havoc for TCP. Clearly not business grade. Having a local wireless service with latency worse than a wired USA East to West coast round trip. With that kind of latency, I dont see how a user would get all that good a performance transfer rate in real world application over the Internet, considering average window sizes.. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Charles Wu c...@cticonnect.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 9:22 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update LTE latency is about 60-100 ms -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 8:13 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update Yes, wimax latencies on d and e systems are documented, im talking about LTE latency Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremie Chism Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 9:07 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update Wimax. Not mobile. Mobile has higher latency times. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 5, 2011, at 7:59 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Wimax or LTE? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremie Chism Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 8:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update Depending on your cp ratio that will determine latency (atleast on mine). Lower cp ratio gives lower latency numbers. We typically see 20ms. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 5, 2011, at 7:53 PM, Blake Covarrubias bl...@beamspeed.com wrote: On Apr 5, 2011, at 4:37 PM, Gino Villarini wrote: That's air rate, actual throughput its about 60%... LTE Latency? IIRC it was in the 100 ms? I can't comment on LTE, but we're doing a trial of mobile WiMAX and seeing about 50-60ms back to the ASN gateway. -- Blake Covarrubias WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless
Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
It's generally known that the 20 Mb burst given by cable companies is throttled to sustained download speeds in the 1-3 Mb range That said, the point I'm trying to make is that the technology has come so far for mobile cellular data that we are now unconsciously comparing it side-by-side to fixed terrestrial broadband technologies (think of it this way, how many WISPs can deliver up-to speeds of 8-10 Mb to a low power handset in the middle of a concrete building 3+ miles away from a tower) -Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of St. Louis Broadband Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:33 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update I just checked my Charter via Ookla and it said I was getting 20 Mbps down and 1 Mbps up, horse pucky. I only get that in speedtests and never when I have to upload or download a big file via FTP or whatever. It generally gets throttled to dial up speeds or worse. ~V~ -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update Sitting in my living room at 8 pm3 bars, laptop connected to wireless router on phone http://www.speedtest.net/result/1236758959.png -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 6:39 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW Yeah, its nice when a product is brand new, and you get the whole sector all to yourself. I guess, its amazing that you are getting the speed to a handset, without the big antenna outside. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Charles Wu c...@cticonnect.com To: paolo.difrance...@level7.it; WISPA GeneralList wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 8:31 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW It is my understanding that Verizon is deploying an FDD version of LTE -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 11:09 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW most of the test are half duplex tests. In few words, they do one direction, then the other direction (e.g. first the customer download, then the customer upload). Suppose you have a 10Mb half duplex: the test will tell you that you have 10Mb in one direction and 10Mb in the other direction. Then you use the connection in 10Mb full duplex and you will discover the story is totally different ;) Also, yes it's interesting to see what is happening on the network interface when the test is running... Do a real test and report back, like FTP. Ookla Speedtest.net test are bogus 99.9% percent of the time because it's based on screwy test algorithms. On 04/01/2011 11:05 PM, Charles Wu wrote: Just got my HTC Thunderbolt, and Ookla tested 20 Mb down, 24 Mb up at Speedtest.Net to my handset -Charles WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo
Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
Yes, I have to agree that mobile has come a long way, since I was carrying that big bag phone around. That has to be a lot of power on the ap side. ~V~ -Original Message- From: Charles Wu [mailto:c...@cticonnect.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 6:37 AM To: li...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update It's generally known that the 20 Mb burst given by cable companies is throttled to sustained download speeds in the 1-3 Mb range That said, the point I'm trying to make is that the technology has come so far for mobile cellular data that we are now unconsciously comparing it side-by-side to fixed terrestrial broadband technologies (think of it this way, how many WISPs can deliver up-to speeds of 8-10 Mb to a low power handset in the middle of a concrete building 3+ miles away from a tower) -Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of St. Louis Broadband Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:33 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update I just checked my Charter via Ookla and it said I was getting 20 Mbps down and 1 Mbps up, horse pucky. I only get that in speedtests and never when I have to upload or download a big file via FTP or whatever. It generally gets throttled to dial up speeds or worse. ~V~ -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update Sitting in my living room at 8 pm3 bars, laptop connected to wireless router on phone http://www.speedtest.net/result/1236758959.png -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 6:39 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW Yeah, its nice when a product is brand new, and you get the whole sector all to yourself. I guess, its amazing that you are getting the speed to a handset, without the big antenna outside. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Charles Wu c...@cticonnect.com To: paolo.difrance...@level7.it; WISPA GeneralList wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 8:31 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW It is my understanding that Verizon is deploying an FDD version of LTE -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 11:09 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW most of the test are half duplex tests. In few words, they do one direction, then the other direction (e.g. first the customer download, then the customer upload). Suppose you have a 10Mb half duplex: the test will tell you that you have 10Mb in one direction and 10Mb in the other direction. Then you use the connection in 10Mb full duplex and you will discover the story is totally different ;) Also, yes it's interesting to see what is happening on the network interface when the test is running... Do a real test and report back, like FTP. Ookla Speedtest.net test are bogus 99.9% percent of the time because it's based on screwy test algorithms. On 04/01/2011 11:05 PM, Charles Wu wrote: Just got my HTC Thunderbolt, and Ookla tested 20 Mb down, 24 Mb up at Speedtest.Net to my handset -Charles WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http
Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
On 04/05/2011 07:37 AM, Charles Wu wrote: It's generally known that the 20 Mb burst given by cable companies is throttled to sustained download speeds in the 1-3 Mb range That said, the point I'm trying to make is that the technology has come so far for mobile cellular data that we are now unconsciously comparing it side-by-side to fixed terrestrial broadband technologies (think of it this way, how many WISPs can deliver up-to speeds of 8-10 Mb to a low power handset in the middle of a concrete building 3+ miles away from a tower) -Charles Don't disagree, but the real question is that once the network is load will that still be the case...probably not. Much like the first neighbor on the new cable feed proclaiming the next coming of the Internet only 6 months later lamenting about how his dial up was faster now that every neighborhood kid is on it with their Xboxes and PS3! As far as WISP being able to deliver these speeds, that is a function of spectrum (blame the FCC)...not the technology to do it. And again I want to see actual throughput test (FTP or IPERF) not some half-baked algorithm used by those speed test sites that are not all that reliable. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
I have always said the cellular carriers have the over the air interface to deliver good speeds for the most part. It's their backhaul network that needs work and they are slowly and steadily upgrading that. While most are bashing them, they eventually will have upgraded the sites to remain competitive. They are far from perfect but once they finally have true Ethernet transport to every site, their performance will improve a lot over all digital modes they offer. They are and will continue to be a player in the broadband world. Best for WISP's to keep an eye on what they are doing and keep the pace with the overall broadband market changes. Fortunately it seems that the fixed wireless technology has kept the pace and/or exceeded other technologies. The WISP's themselves will need to keep business plans that take advantage of emerging technologies and allow themselves to remain continually competitive. This means factoring in an aggressive upgrade and replacement path which will allow for market adaptability. This will also need to include marketing methodologies to keep their image up and to show that there is not stagnation with the company and its offerings. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 7:37 AM To: li...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update It's generally known that the 20 Mb burst given by cable companies is throttled to sustained download speeds in the 1-3 Mb range That said, the point I'm trying to make is that the technology has come so far for mobile cellular data that we are now unconsciously comparing it side-by-side to fixed terrestrial broadband technologies (think of it this way, how many WISPs can deliver up-to speeds of 8-10 Mb to a low power handset in the middle of a concrete building 3+ miles away from a tower) -Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of St. Louis Broadband Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:33 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update I just checked my Charter via Ookla and it said I was getting 20 Mbps down and 1 Mbps up, horse pucky. I only get that in speedtests and never when I have to upload or download a big file via FTP or whatever. It generally gets throttled to dial up speeds or worse. ~V~ -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update Sitting in my living room at 8 pm3 bars, laptop connected to wireless router on phone http://www.speedtest.net/result/1236758959.png -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 6:39 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW Yeah, its nice when a product is brand new, and you get the whole sector all to yourself. I guess, its amazing that you are getting the speed to a handset, without the big antenna outside. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Charles Wu c...@cticonnect.com To: paolo.difrance...@level7.it; WISPA GeneralList wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 8:31 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW It is my understanding that Verizon is deploying an FDD version of LTE -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 11:09 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW most of the test are half duplex tests. In few words, they do one direction, then the other direction (e.g. first the customer download, then the customer upload). Suppose you have a 10Mb half duplex: the test will tell you that you have 10Mb in one direction and 10Mb in the other direction. Then you use the connection in 10Mb full duplex and you will discover the story is totally different ;) Also, yes it's interesting to see what is happening on the network interface when the test is running... Do a real test and report back, like FTP. Ookla Speedtest.net test are bogus 99.9% percent of the time because it's based on screwy test algorithms. On 04/01/2011 11:05 PM, Charles Wu wrote: Just got my HTC Thunderbolt, and Ookla tested 20 Mb down, 24 Mb up at Speedtest.Net to my handset -Charles WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List
Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
The other question is how much do you pay for the service? It all comes down to price. I can deliver 10Mbps x 10Mbps up to 300Mbps x 300Mbps to anyone that wants it... however, most people don't want to pay for it... ;) Travis Microserv On 4/5/2011 5:37 AM, Charles Wu wrote: It's generally known that the 20 Mb burst given by cable companies is throttled to sustained download speeds in the 1-3 Mb range That said, the point I'm trying to make is that the technology has come so far for mobile cellular data that we are now unconsciously comparing it side-by-side to fixed terrestrial broadband technologies (think of it this way, how many WISPs can deliver up-to speeds of 8-10 Mb to a low power handset in the middle of a concrete building 3+ miles away from a tower) -Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of St. Louis Broadband Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:33 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update I just checked my Charter via Ookla and it said I was getting 20 Mbps down and 1 Mbps up, horse pucky. I only get that in speedtests and never when I have to upload or download a big file via FTP or whatever. It generally gets throttled to dial up speeds or worse. ~V~ -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update Sitting in my living room at 8 pm3 bars, laptop connected to wireless router on phone http://www.speedtest.net/result/1236758959.png -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 6:39 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW Yeah, its nice when a product is brand new, and you get the whole sector all to yourself. I guess, its amazing that you are getting the speed to a handset, without the big antenna outside. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Charles Wuc...@cticonnect.com To:paolo.difrance...@level7.it; WISPA GeneralListwireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 8:31 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW It is my understanding that Verizon is deploying an FDD version of LTE -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 11:09 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW most of the test are half duplex tests. In few words, they do one direction, then the other direction (e.g. first the customer download, then the customer upload). Suppose you have a 10Mb half duplex: the test will tell you that you have 10Mb in one direction and 10Mb in the other direction. Then you use the connection in 10Mb full duplex and you will discover the story is totally different ;) Also, yes it's interesting to see what is happening on the network interface when the test is running... Do a real test and report back, like FTP. Ookla Speedtest.net test are bogus 99.9% percent of the time because it's based on screwy test algorithms. On 04/01/2011 11:05 PM, Charles Wu wrote: Just got my HTC Thunderbolt, and Ookla tested 20 Mb down, 24 Mb up at Speedtest.Net to my handset -Charles WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
+1 very well said.. to the point !... Innovate / Upgrade to keep up with the demand or become obsolete and irrelevant. ! --- The WISP's themselves will need to keep business plans that take advantage of emerging technologies and allow themselves to remain continually competitive. This means factoring in an aggressive upgrade and replacement path which will allow for market adaptability. This will also need to include marketing methodologies to keep their image up and to show that there is not stagnation with the company and its offerings. --- Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, Fl 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net On 4/5/2011 9:04 AM, Brian Webster wrote: I have always said the cellular carriers have the over the air interface to deliver good speeds for the most part. It's their backhaul network that needs work and they are slowly and steadily upgrading that. While most are bashing them, they eventually will have upgraded the sites to remain competitive. They are far from perfect but once they finally have true Ethernet transport to every site, their performance will improve a lot over all digital modes they offer. They are and will continue to be a player in the broadband world. Best for WISP's to keep an eye on what they are doing and keep the pace with the overall broadband market changes. Fortunately it seems that the fixed wireless technology has kept the pace and/or exceeded other technologies. The WISP's themselves will need to keep business plans that take advantage of emerging technologies and allow themselves to remain continually competitive. This means factoring in an aggressive upgrade and replacement path which will allow for market adaptability. This will also need to include marketing methodologies to keep their image up and to show that there is not stagnation with the company and its offerings. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 7:37 AM To: li...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update It's generally known that the 20 Mb burst given by cable companies is throttled to sustained download speeds in the 1-3 Mb range That said, the point I'm trying to make is that the technology has come so far for mobile cellular data that we are now unconsciously comparing it side-by-side to fixed terrestrial broadband technologies (think of it this way, how many WISPs can deliver up-to speeds of 8-10 Mb to a low power handset in the middle of a concrete building 3+ miles away from a tower) -Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of St. Louis Broadband Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:33 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update I just checked my Charter via Ookla and it said I was getting 20 Mbps down and 1 Mbps up, horse pucky. I only get that in speedtests and never when I have to upload or download a big file via FTP or whatever. It generally gets throttled to dial up speeds or worse. ~V~ -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update Sitting in my living room at 8 pm3 bars, laptop connected to wireless router on phone http://www.speedtest.net/result/1236758959.png -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 6:39 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW Yeah, its nice when a product is brand new, and you get the whole sector all to yourself. I guess, its amazing that you are getting the speed to a handset, without the big antenna outside. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Charles Wuc...@cticonnect.com To:paolo.difrance...@level7.it; WISPA GeneralListwireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 8:31 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW It is my understanding that Verizon is deploying an FDD version of LTE -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 11:09 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW most of the test are half duplex tests. In few words, they do one direction, then the other direction (e.g
Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
I just activated my Samsung LTE MiFi router and am getting 6-10 Mbps down and 5 Mbps up at the office. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of St. Louis Broadband Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:33 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update I just checked my Charter via Ookla and it said I was getting 20 Mbps down and 1 Mbps up, horse pucky. I only get that in speedtests and never when I have to upload or download a big file via FTP or whatever. It generally gets throttled to dial up speeds or worse. ~V~ -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update Sitting in my living room at 8 pm3 bars, laptop connected to wireless router on phone http://www.speedtest.net/result/1236758959.png -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 6:39 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW Yeah, its nice when a product is brand new, and you get the whole sector all to yourself. I guess, its amazing that you are getting the speed to a handset, without the big antenna outside. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Charles Wu c...@cticonnect.com To: paolo.difrance...@level7.it; WISPA GeneralList wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 8:31 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW It is my understanding that Verizon is deploying an FDD version of LTE -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 11:09 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW most of the test are half duplex tests. In few words, they do one direction, then the other direction (e.g. first the customer download, then the customer upload). Suppose you have a 10Mb half duplex: the test will tell you that you have 10Mb in one direction and 10Mb in the other direction. Then you use the connection in 10Mb full duplex and you will discover the story is totally different ;) Also, yes it's interesting to see what is happening on the network interface when the test is running... Do a real test and report back, like FTP. Ookla Speedtest.net test are bogus 99.9% percent of the time because it's based on screwy test algorithms. On 04/01/2011 11:05 PM, Charles Wu wrote: Just got my HTC Thunderbolt, and Ookla tested 20 Mb down, 24 Mb up at Speedtest.Net to my handset -Charles WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
Hi Tori, The Charter service sounds horrible down there. Send me your GPS cords and I'll check to see if we can get you a wireless link from our Bonne Terre tower;-) Jim From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of St. Louis Broadband Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:33 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update I just checked my Charter via Ookla and it said I was getting 20 Mbps down and 1 Mbps up, horse pucky. I only get that in speedtests and never when I have to upload or download a big file via FTP or whatever. It generally gets throttled to dial up speeds or worse. ~V~ -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update Sitting in my living room at 8 pm3 bars, laptop connected to wireless router on phone http://www.speedtest.net/result/1236758959.png -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 6:39 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW Yeah, its nice when a product is brand new, and you get the whole sector all to yourself. I guess, its amazing that you are getting the speed to a handset, without the big antenna outside. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Charles Wu c...@cticonnect.com To: paolo.difrance...@level7.it; WISPA GeneralList wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 8:31 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW It is my understanding that Verizon is deploying an FDD version of LTE -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 11:09 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW most of the test are half duplex tests. In few words, they do one direction, then the other direction (e.g. first the customer download, then the customer upload). Suppose you have a 10Mb half duplex: the test will tell you that you have 10Mb in one direction and 10Mb in the other direction. Then you use the connection in 10Mb full duplex and you will discover the story is totally different ;) Also, yes it's interesting to see what is happening on the network interface when the test is running... Do a real test and report back, like FTP. Ookla Speedtest.net test are bogus 99.9% percent of the time because it's based on screwy test algorithms. On 04/01/2011 11:05 PM, Charles Wu wrote: Just got my HTC Thunderbolt, and Ookla tested 20 Mb down, 24 Mb up at Speedtest.Net to my handset -Charles WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe
Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
It's actually NOT a lot of power on the AP side. It is the technology and the air interface. Most CDMA technologies have very low threshold to make a good link. I remember designing these networks and seeing great performance with signals as low as -107dBm. In fact the whole goal with CDMA based technologies is to keep everyone transmitting at the lowest power possible. The more power a single user has to put out, the more power everyone has to put to out just to be heard. With CDMA, everything is based on the noise floor and the higher that floor becomes, the worse the system performs. That is why you don't want a user 5 miles away maintaining a link to a tower (in a typical urban or suburban morphology). His phone ramps up to maintain the link making the noise floor higher, the sector ramps up, then everyone else close in starts shouting just to get their code heard above the noise. Pretty soon, the whole sector becomes unstable and everyone drops. CDMA technologies also have the luxury of the rake receiver which essentially correlates received signals from several sectors at once to maintain communication with a device. All of this makes for a far superior technology than we have access to, and you have to have clean spectrum for this all to work so well...something we don't have. Cameron On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 7:54 AM, St. Louis Broadband li...@stlbroadband.comwrote: Yes, I have to agree that mobile has come a long way, since I was carrying that big bag phone around. That has to be a lot of power on the ap side. ~V~ -Original Message- From: Charles Wu [mailto:c...@cticonnect.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 6:37 AM To: li...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update It's generally known that the 20 Mb burst given by cable companies is throttled to sustained download speeds in the 1-3 Mb range That said, the point I'm trying to make is that the technology has come so far for mobile cellular data that we are now unconsciously comparing it side-by-side to fixed terrestrial broadband technologies (think of it this way, how many WISPs can deliver up-to speeds of 8-10 Mb to a low power handset in the middle of a concrete building 3+ miles away from a tower) -Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of St. Louis Broadband Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:33 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update I just checked my Charter via Ookla and it said I was getting 20 Mbps down and 1 Mbps up, horse pucky. I only get that in speedtests and never when I have to upload or download a big file via FTP or whatever. It generally gets throttled to dial up speeds or worse. ~V~ -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update Sitting in my living room at 8 pm3 bars, laptop connected to wireless router on phone http://www.speedtest.net/result/1236758959.png -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 6:39 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW Yeah, its nice when a product is brand new, and you get the whole sector all to yourself. I guess, its amazing that you are getting the speed to a handset, without the big antenna outside. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Charles Wu c...@cticonnect.com To: paolo.difrance...@level7.it; WISPA GeneralList wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 8:31 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW It is my understanding that Verizon is deploying an FDD version of LTE -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 11:09 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW most of the test are half duplex tests. In few words, they do one direction, then the other direction (e.g. first the customer download, then the customer upload). Suppose you have a 10Mb half duplex: the test will tell you that you have 10Mb in one direction and 10Mb in the other direction. Then you use the connection in 10Mb full duplex and you will discover the story is totally different ;) Also, yes it's interesting to see what is happening on the network interface when the test is running... Do a real test and report back, like FTP. Ookla Speedtest.net test are bogus 99.9% percent of the time because it's based on screwy test algorithms. On 04/01/2011 11:05 PM, Charles Wu wrote: Just got my HTC
Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
Exactly why we need 1) Less spectrum to go to auctions, and more spectrum to go to unlicenced. 2) High power allowed in spectrum bands. 3) Manufacturters to raise their standard, to take advantage of latest radio and antenna technologies. Let me give you an example of what I mean.. Moto old product, 20Mhz, 14mb real (20mb) Moto new product (ofdm), 10Mhz 20mbps (35mb) in a lab, with noise maybe 10-15mbps (qam16). Why didn't they make a 20Mhz OFDM product, so that we could offer faster speeds, with their new product? Why didn;t they make a MIMO OFDM product, so we could use faster speeds, with their new products? Why didn;t they make a multiple diversity smart antenna model? Why haven't they made smart MIMO gear with modes above 16, such as to allow chain0 and chain1 to operate at different modulations? I'm not meaning to pick on Moto, they are a good company, I'm just using them as an easy example everyone could identify with. I know the answer why. Because they want to sell more radios, and not compete with their other product lines, not make us more efficent and competitive, so we need to buy fewer radios. My point is... the technology is out there. Whether manufacturers embrace it quick enough is another story. The demand is clearly there. If anything LTE is clearly creating harder competition for the private WISP industry. I dont think we'll ever get the signal into everyone's living room without antennas... Only licensed can operate at such a low sensitivity, because of low noise. (except for Whitespace users). But we surely could do better, if the technology was stepped up a couple notches. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Charles Wu c...@cticonnect.com To: li...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 7:37 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update It's generally known that the 20 Mb burst given by cable companies is throttled to sustained download speeds in the 1-3 Mb range That said, the point I'm trying to make is that the technology has come so far for mobile cellular data that we are now unconsciously comparing it side-by-side to fixed terrestrial broadband technologies (think of it this way, how many WISPs can deliver up-to speeds of 8-10 Mb to a low power handset in the middle of a concrete building 3+ miles away from a tower) -Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of St. Louis Broadband Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:33 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update I just checked my Charter via Ookla and it said I was getting 20 Mbps down and 1 Mbps up, horse pucky. I only get that in speedtests and never when I have to upload or download a big file via FTP or whatever. It generally gets throttled to dial up speeds or worse. ~V~ -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update Sitting in my living room at 8 pm3 bars, laptop connected to wireless router on phone http://www.speedtest.net/result/1236758959.png -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 6:39 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW Yeah, its nice when a product is brand new, and you get the whole sector all to yourself. I guess, its amazing that you are getting the speed to a handset, without the big antenna outside. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Charles Wu c...@cticonnect.com To: paolo.difrance...@level7.it; WISPA GeneralList wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 8:31 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW It is my understanding that Verizon is deploying an FDD version of LTE -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 11:09 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW most of the test are half duplex tests. In few words, they do one direction, then the other direction (e.g. first the customer download, then the customer upload). Suppose you have a 10Mb half duplex: the test will tell you that you have 10Mb in one direction and 10Mb in the other direction. Then you use the connection in 10Mb full duplex and you will discover the story is totally different ;) Also, yes it's interesting to see what is happening on the network interface when the test is running... Do a real test and report back, like FTP. Ookla
Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
yes +1, but WISPs can only upgrade if there is a product to upgrade to. No one wants to upgrade without accomplishing enough compensation or gain to match the effort and cost. The industry has done a very good job at getting the price down on typical style WISP gear. But I'm not confident that the industry has done all it could to innovate and release state of the art radios at the same price as the old ones? Lets look at the PC industry and Intel CPUs... Each year the speed capability has exponentially increased. After one year a computer is considered outdated to the dark ages. In the Radio industry, I can use a radio I bought 10 years ago, and it performs almost as good as the neweest model, or no less than a 50% degregation. Comparing the radio industry to the PC industry, the radio industry's performance/innovation growth rate is light years behind the PC industry. The radio industry is still caught up on being proud of what they can accomplish in a lab. But they are not working hard enough to deliver for real world competitive and technical challenges. A perfect example is MIMO. The fact is... Noise will always exist and always be unpredictable. MIMO has been a reality for two years now. Everyone is happy with basic mode 1-16 MIMO. But in the real world its common for one polarity to have more noise than the 90deg different polarity. Why run both chains at the lower modulation of the noisiest channel, compromising the overall speed? Just that problem alone, if solved, would yield a 30% increase in throughput out n the real world, to bring real world deployments closer to lab capabilty. MIMO modes above 16, were in the spec for years. Why aren't they being developed? Are we all going to have to buy LTE chipsets radios and modify them for unlciensed to be competitive? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 9:35 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update +1 very well said.. to the point !... Innovate / Upgrade to keep up with the demand or become obsolete and irrelevant. ! --- The WISP's themselves will need to keep business plans that take advantage of emerging technologies and allow themselves to remain continually competitive. This means factoring in an aggressive upgrade and replacement path which will allow for market adaptability. This will also need to include marketing methodologies to keep their image up and to show that there is not stagnation with the company and its offerings. --- Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, Fl 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net On 4/5/2011 9:04 AM, Brian Webster wrote: I have always said the cellular carriers have the over the air interface to deliver good speeds for the most part. It's their backhaul network that needs work and they are slowly and steadily upgrading that. While most are bashing them, they eventually will have upgraded the sites to remain competitive. They are far from perfect but once they finally have true Ethernet transport to every site, their performance will improve a lot over all digital modes they offer. They are and will continue to be a player in the broadband world. Best for WISP's to keep an eye on what they are doing and keep the pace with the overall broadband market changes. Fortunately it seems that the fixed wireless technology has kept the pace and/or exceeded other technologies. The WISP's themselves will need to keep business plans that take advantage of emerging technologies and allow themselves to remain continually competitive. This means factoring in an aggressive upgrade and replacement path which will allow for market adaptability. This will also need to include marketing methodologies to keep their image up and to show that there is not stagnation with the company and its offerings. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 7:37 AM To: li...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update It's generally known that the 20 Mb burst given by cable companies is throttled to sustained download speeds in the 1-3 Mb range That said, the point I'm trying to make is that the technology has come so far for mobile cellular data that we are now unconsciously comparing it side-by-side to fixed terrestrial broadband technologies (think of it this way, how many WISPs
Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
I know Axxcelera is planning LTE equipment in the 3.65 ghz band this year. It is cost effective to deploy to businesses in an Internet/VoIP setup but will not make it to the residential market at anything that will make money because the cpe's run in the 300.00 range. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 5, 2011, at 3:58 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: yes +1, but WISPs can only upgrade if there is a product to upgrade to. No one wants to upgrade without accomplishing enough compensation or gain to match the effort and cost. The industry has done a very good job at getting the price down on typical style WISP gear. But I'm not confident that the industry has done all it could to innovate and release state of the art radios at the same price as the old ones? Lets look at the PC industry and Intel CPUs... Each year the speed capability has exponentially increased. After one year a computer is considered outdated to the dark ages. In the Radio industry, I can use a radio I bought 10 years ago, and it performs almost as good as the neweest model, or no less than a 50% degregation. Comparing the radio industry to the PC industry, the radio industry's performance/innovation growth rate is light years behind the PC industry. The radio industry is still caught up on being proud of what they can accomplish in a lab. But they are not working hard enough to deliver for real world competitive and technical challenges. A perfect example is MIMO. The fact is... Noise will always exist and always be unpredictable. MIMO has been a reality for two years now. Everyone is happy with basic mode 1-16 MIMO. But in the real world its common for one polarity to have more noise than the 90deg different polarity. Why run both chains at the lower modulation of the noisiest channel, compromising the overall speed? Just that problem alone, if solved, would yield a 30% increase in throughput out n the real world, to bring real world deployments closer to lab capabilty. MIMO modes above 16, were in the spec for years. Why aren't they being developed? Are we all going to have to buy LTE chipsets radios and modify them for unlciensed to be competitive? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 9:35 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update +1 very well said.. to the point !... Innovate / Upgrade to keep up with the demand or become obsolete and irrelevant. ! --- The WISP's themselves will need to keep business plans that take advantage of emerging technologies and allow themselves to remain continually competitive. This means factoring in an aggressive upgrade and replacement path which will allow for market adaptability. This will also need to include marketing methodologies to keep their image up and to show that there is not stagnation with the company and its offerings. --- Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, Fl 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net On 4/5/2011 9:04 AM, Brian Webster wrote: I have always said the cellular carriers have the over the air interface to deliver good speeds for the most part. It's their backhaul network that needs work and they are slowly and steadily upgrading that. While most are bashing them, they eventually will have upgraded the sites to remain competitive. They are far from perfect but once they finally have true Ethernet transport to every site, their performance will improve a lot over all digital modes they offer. They are and will continue to be a player in the broadband world. Best for WISP's to keep an eye on what they are doing and keep the pace with the overall broadband market changes. Fortunately it seems that the fixed wireless technology has kept the pace and/or exceeded other technologies. The WISP's themselves will need to keep business plans that take advantage of emerging technologies and allow themselves to remain continually competitive. This means factoring in an aggressive upgrade and replacement path which will allow for market adaptability. This will also need to include marketing methodologies to keep their image up and to show that there is not stagnation with the company and its offerings. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 7:37 AM To: li...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List
Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
I dont care what the CPE costs, I care about what the AP costs. The big dollar APs can be a big deterent to grow organically. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Jeremie Chism jchi...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 5:03 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update I know Axxcelera is planning LTE equipment in the 3.65 ghz band this year. It is cost effective to deploy to businesses in an Internet/VoIP setup but will not make it to the residential market at anything that will make money because the cpe's run in the 300.00 range. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 5, 2011, at 3:58 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: yes +1, but WISPs can only upgrade if there is a product to upgrade to. No one wants to upgrade without accomplishing enough compensation or gain to match the effort and cost. The industry has done a very good job at getting the price down on typical style WISP gear. But I'm not confident that the industry has done all it could to innovate and release state of the art radios at the same price as the old ones? Lets look at the PC industry and Intel CPUs... Each year the speed capability has exponentially increased. After one year a computer is considered outdated to the dark ages. In the Radio industry, I can use a radio I bought 10 years ago, and it performs almost as good as the neweest model, or no less than a 50% degregation. Comparing the radio industry to the PC industry, the radio industry's performance/innovation growth rate is light years behind the PC industry. The radio industry is still caught up on being proud of what they can accomplish in a lab. But they are not working hard enough to deliver for real world competitive and technical challenges. A perfect example is MIMO. The fact is... Noise will always exist and always be unpredictable. MIMO has been a reality for two years now. Everyone is happy with basic mode 1-16 MIMO. But in the real world its common for one polarity to have more noise than the 90deg different polarity. Why run both chains at the lower modulation of the noisiest channel, compromising the overall speed? Just that problem alone, if solved, would yield a 30% increase in throughput out n the real world, to bring real world deployments closer to lab capabilty. MIMO modes above 16, were in the spec for years. Why aren't they being developed? Are we all going to have to buy LTE chipsets radios and modify them for unlciensed to be competitive? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 9:35 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update +1 very well said.. to the point !... Innovate / Upgrade to keep up with the demand or become obsolete and irrelevant. ! --- The WISP's themselves will need to keep business plans that take advantage of emerging technologies and allow themselves to remain continually competitive. This means factoring in an aggressive upgrade and replacement path which will allow for market adaptability. This will also need to include marketing methodologies to keep their image up and to show that there is not stagnation with the company and its offerings. --- Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, Fl 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net On 4/5/2011 9:04 AM, Brian Webster wrote: I have always said the cellular carriers have the over the air interface to deliver good speeds for the most part. It's their backhaul network that needs work and they are slowly and steadily upgrading that. While most are bashing them, they eventually will have upgraded the sites to remain competitive. They are far from perfect but once they finally have true Ethernet transport to every site, their performance will improve a lot over all digital modes they offer. They are and will continue to be a player in the broadband world. Best for WISP's to keep an eye on what they are doing and keep the pace with the overall broadband market changes. Fortunately it seems that the fixed wireless technology has kept the pace and/or exceeded other technologies. The WISP's themselves will need to keep business plans that take advantage of emerging technologies and allow themselves to remain continually competitive. This means factoring in an aggressive upgrade and replacement path which will allow for market adaptability. This will also need to include marketing methodologies to keep their image up
Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
In the 2500.00 range. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 5, 2011, at 4:27 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: I dont care what the CPE costs, I care about what the AP costs. The big dollar APs can be a big deterent to grow organically. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Jeremie Chism jchi...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 5:03 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update I know Axxcelera is planning LTE equipment in the 3.65 ghz band this year. It is cost effective to deploy to businesses in an Internet/VoIP setup but will not make it to the residential market at anything that will make money because the cpe's run in the 300.00 range. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 5, 2011, at 3:58 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: yes +1, but WISPs can only upgrade if there is a product to upgrade to. No one wants to upgrade without accomplishing enough compensation or gain to match the effort and cost. The industry has done a very good job at getting the price down on typical style WISP gear. But I'm not confident that the industry has done all it could to innovate and release state of the art radios at the same price as the old ones? Lets look at the PC industry and Intel CPUs... Each year the speed capability has exponentially increased. After one year a computer is considered outdated to the dark ages. In the Radio industry, I can use a radio I bought 10 years ago, and it performs almost as good as the neweest model, or no less than a 50% degregation. Comparing the radio industry to the PC industry, the radio industry's performance/innovation growth rate is light years behind the PC industry. The radio industry is still caught up on being proud of what they can accomplish in a lab. But they are not working hard enough to deliver for real world competitive and technical challenges. A perfect example is MIMO. The fact is... Noise will always exist and always be unpredictable. MIMO has been a reality for two years now. Everyone is happy with basic mode 1-16 MIMO. But in the real world its common for one polarity to have more noise than the 90deg different polarity. Why run both chains at the lower modulation of the noisiest channel, compromising the overall speed? Just that problem alone, if solved, would yield a 30% increase in throughput out n the real world, to bring real world deployments closer to lab capabilty. MIMO modes above 16, were in the spec for years. Why aren't they being developed? Are we all going to have to buy LTE chipsets radios and modify them for unlciensed to be competitive? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 9:35 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update +1 very well said.. to the point !... Innovate / Upgrade to keep up with the demand or become obsolete and irrelevant. ! --- The WISP's themselves will need to keep business plans that take advantage of emerging technologies and allow themselves to remain continually competitive. This means factoring in an aggressive upgrade and replacement path which will allow for market adaptability. This will also need to include marketing methodologies to keep their image up and to show that there is not stagnation with the company and its offerings. --- Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, Fl 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net On 4/5/2011 9:04 AM, Brian Webster wrote: I have always said the cellular carriers have the over the air interface to deliver good speeds for the most part. It's their backhaul network that needs work and they are slowly and steadily upgrading that. While most are bashing them, they eventually will have upgraded the sites to remain competitive. They are far from perfect but once they finally have true Ethernet transport to every site, their performance will improve a lot over all digital modes they offer. They are and will continue to be a player in the broadband world. Best for WISP's to keep an eye on what they are doing and keep the pace with the overall broadband market changes. Fortunately it seems that the fixed wireless technology has kept the pace and/or exceeded other technologies. The WISP's themselves will need to keep business plans that take advantage of emerging technologies and allow themselves to remain continually competitive. This means factoring
Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
I know Axxcelera is planning LTE equipment in the 3.65 ghz band this year. It is cost effective to deploy to businesses in an Internet/VoIP setup but will not make it to the residential market at anything that will make money because the cpe's run in the 300.00 range. So how much throughput does the Axxcelera 3.65 CPE have etc? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
I am looking for my email that had numbers but from what i remember (don't hold me to it) was 100 Meg. I will find the email to make sure. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 5, 2011, at 5:31 PM, Matt lm7...@gmail.com wrote: I know Axxcelera is planning LTE equipment in the 3.65 ghz band this year. It is cost effective to deploy to businesses in an Internet/VoIP setup but will not make it to the residential market at anything that will make money because the cpe's run in the 300.00 range. So how much throughput does the Axxcelera 3.65 CPE have etc? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
More importantly what axccelera expects to gain from doing lte? They are already doing wimax Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Apr 5, 2011, at 6:33 PM, Matt lm7...@gmail.com wrote: I know Axxcelera is planning LTE equipment in the 3.65 ghz band this year. It is cost effective to deploy to businesses in an Internet/VoIP setup but will not make it to the residential market at anything that will make money because the cpe's run in the 300.00 range. So how much throughput does the Axxcelera 3.65 CPE have etc? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
Higher throughput from what I understand. I have their wimax deployed now. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 5, 2011, at 6:07 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: More importantly what axccelera expects to gain from doing lte? They are already doing wimax Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Apr 5, 2011, at 6:33 PM, Matt lm7...@gmail.com wrote: I know Axxcelera is planning LTE equipment in the 3.65 ghz band this year. It is cost effective to deploy to businesses in an Internet/VoIP setup but will not make it to the residential market at anything that will make money because the cpe's run in the 300.00 range. So how much throughput does the Axxcelera 3.65 CPE have etc? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
LTE is 5 bits per hertz (ideal conditions), so on a 20MHz channel that would be 100Mbps. WiMax (fixed) is 3.5 bits per hertz. On 04/05/2011 07:13 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote: Higher throughput from what I understand. I have their wimax deployed now. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 5, 2011, at 6:07 PM, Gino Villarinig...@aeronetpr.com wrote: More importantly what axccelera expects to gain from doing lte? They are already doing wimax Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Apr 5, 2011, at 6:33 PM, Mattlm7...@gmail.com wrote: I know Axxcelera is planning LTE equipment in the 3.65 ghz band this year. It is cost effective to deploy to businesses in an Internet/VoIP setup but will not make it to the residential market at anything that will make money because the cpe's run in the 300.00 range. So how much throughput does the Axxcelera 3.65 CPE have etc? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
And most wimax is 3.5 or 7mhz channel unless you are talking the mobile wimax which has 10. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 5, 2011, at 6:20 PM, Bret Clark bcl...@spectraaccess.com wrote: LTE is 5 bits per hertz (ideal conditions), so on a 20MHz channel that would be 100Mbps. WiMax (fixed) is 3.5 bits per hertz. On 04/05/2011 07:13 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote: Higher throughput from what I understand. I have their wimax deployed now. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 5, 2011, at 6:07 PM, Gino Villarinig...@aeronetpr.com wrote: More importantly what axccelera expects to gain from doing lte? They are already doing wimax Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Apr 5, 2011, at 6:33 PM, Mattlm7...@gmail.com wrote: I know Axxcelera is planning LTE equipment in the 3.65 ghz band this year. It is cost effective to deploy to businesses in an Internet/VoIP setup but will not make it to the residential market at anything that will make money because the cpe's run in the 300.00 range. So how much throughput does the Axxcelera 3.65 CPE have etc? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
That's air rate, actual throughput its about 60%... LTE Latency? IIRC it was in the 100 ms? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bret Clark Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 7:21 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update LTE is 5 bits per hertz (ideal conditions), so on a 20MHz channel that would be 100Mbps. WiMax (fixed) is 3.5 bits per hertz. On 04/05/2011 07:13 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote: Higher throughput from what I understand. I have their wimax deployed now. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 5, 2011, at 6:07 PM, Gino Villarinig...@aeronetpr.com wrote: More importantly what axccelera expects to gain from doing lte? They are already doing wimax Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Apr 5, 2011, at 6:33 PM, Mattlm7...@gmail.com wrote: I know Axxcelera is planning LTE equipment in the 3.65 ghz band this year. It is cost effective to deploy to businesses in an Internet/VoIP setup but will not make it to the residential market at anything that will make money because the cpe's run in the 300.00 range. So how much throughput does the Axxcelera 3.65 CPE have etc? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
On Apr 5, 2011, at 4:37 PM, Gino Villarini wrote: That's air rate, actual throughput its about 60%... LTE Latency? IIRC it was in the 100 ms? I can't comment on LTE, but we're doing a trial of mobile WiMAX and seeing about 50-60ms back to the ASN gateway. -- Blake Covarrubias WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
Depending on your cp ratio that will determine latency (atleast on mine). Lower cp ratio gives lower latency numbers. We typically see 20ms. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 5, 2011, at 7:53 PM, Blake Covarrubias bl...@beamspeed.com wrote: On Apr 5, 2011, at 4:37 PM, Gino Villarini wrote: That's air rate, actual throughput its about 60%... LTE Latency? IIRC it was in the 100 ms? I can't comment on LTE, but we're doing a trial of mobile WiMAX and seeing about 50-60ms back to the ASN gateway. -- Blake Covarrubias WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
Wimax or LTE? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremie Chism Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 8:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update Depending on your cp ratio that will determine latency (atleast on mine). Lower cp ratio gives lower latency numbers. We typically see 20ms. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 5, 2011, at 7:53 PM, Blake Covarrubias bl...@beamspeed.com wrote: On Apr 5, 2011, at 4:37 PM, Gino Villarini wrote: That's air rate, actual throughput its about 60%... LTE Latency? IIRC it was in the 100 ms? I can't comment on LTE, but we're doing a trial of mobile WiMAX and seeing about 50-60ms back to the ASN gateway. -- Blake Covarrubias WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
Jeremie was talking about fixed WiMAX (802.16d). We see similar latencies on our fixed WiMAX systems. -- Blake Covarrubias On Apr 5, 2011, at 5:59 PM, Gino Villarini wrote: Wimax or LTE? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremie Chism Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 8:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update Depending on your cp ratio that will determine latency (atleast on mine). Lower cp ratio gives lower latency numbers. We typically see 20ms. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 5, 2011, at 7:53 PM, Blake Covarrubias bl...@beamspeed.com wrote: On Apr 5, 2011, at 4:37 PM, Gino Villarini wrote: That's air rate, actual throughput its about 60%... LTE Latency? IIRC it was in the 100 ms? I can't comment on LTE, but we're doing a trial of mobile WiMAX and seeing about 50-60ms back to the ASN gateway. -- Blake Covarrubias WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
Wimax. Not mobile. Mobile has higher latency times. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 5, 2011, at 7:59 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Wimax or LTE? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremie Chism Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 8:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update Depending on your cp ratio that will determine latency (atleast on mine). Lower cp ratio gives lower latency numbers. We typically see 20ms. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 5, 2011, at 7:53 PM, Blake Covarrubias bl...@beamspeed.com wrote: On Apr 5, 2011, at 4:37 PM, Gino Villarini wrote: That's air rate, actual throughput its about 60%... LTE Latency? IIRC it was in the 100 ms? I can't comment on LTE, but we're doing a trial of mobile WiMAX and seeing about 50-60ms back to the ASN gateway. -- Blake Covarrubias WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
Yes, wimax latencies on d and e systems are documented, im talking about LTE latency Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremie Chism Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 9:07 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update Wimax. Not mobile. Mobile has higher latency times. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 5, 2011, at 7:59 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Wimax or LTE? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremie Chism Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 8:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update Depending on your cp ratio that will determine latency (atleast on mine). Lower cp ratio gives lower latency numbers. We typically see 20ms. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 5, 2011, at 7:53 PM, Blake Covarrubias bl...@beamspeed.com wrote: On Apr 5, 2011, at 4:37 PM, Gino Villarini wrote: That's air rate, actual throughput its about 60%... LTE Latency? IIRC it was in the 100 ms? I can't comment on LTE, but we're doing a trial of mobile WiMAX and seeing about 50-60ms back to the ASN gateway. -- Blake Covarrubias WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
The Ericsson APs that Verizon uses cost ~$50k / tower plus antennas and cable -Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 4:28 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update I dont care what the CPE costs, I care about what the AP costs. The big dollar APs can be a big deterent to grow organically. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Jeremie Chism jchi...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 5:03 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update I know Axxcelera is planning LTE equipment in the 3.65 ghz band this year. It is cost effective to deploy to businesses in an Internet/VoIP setup but will not make it to the residential market at anything that will make money because the cpe's run in the 300.00 range. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 5, 2011, at 3:58 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: yes +1, but WISPs can only upgrade if there is a product to upgrade to. No one wants to upgrade without accomplishing enough compensation or gain to match the effort and cost. The industry has done a very good job at getting the price down on typical style WISP gear. But I'm not confident that the industry has done all it could to innovate and release state of the art radios at the same price as the old ones? Lets look at the PC industry and Intel CPUs... Each year the speed capability has exponentially increased. After one year a computer is considered outdated to the dark ages. In the Radio industry, I can use a radio I bought 10 years ago, and it performs almost as good as the neweest model, or no less than a 50% degregation. Comparing the radio industry to the PC industry, the radio industry's performance/innovation growth rate is light years behind the PC industry. The radio industry is still caught up on being proud of what they can accomplish in a lab. But they are not working hard enough to deliver for real world competitive and technical challenges. A perfect example is MIMO. The fact is... Noise will always exist and always be unpredictable. MIMO has been a reality for two years now. Everyone is happy with basic mode 1-16 MIMO. But in the real world its common for one polarity to have more noise than the 90deg different polarity. Why run both chains at the lower modulation of the noisiest channel, compromising the overall speed? Just that problem alone, if solved, would yield a 30% increase in throughput out n the real world, to bring real world deployments closer to lab capabilty. MIMO modes above 16, were in the spec for years. Why aren't they being developed? Are we all going to have to buy LTE chipsets radios and modify them for unlciensed to be competitive? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 9:35 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update +1 very well said.. to the point !... Innovate / Upgrade to keep up with the demand or become obsolete and irrelevant. ! --- The WISP's themselves will need to keep business plans that take advantage of emerging technologies and allow themselves to remain continually competitive. This means factoring in an aggressive upgrade and replacement path which will allow for market adaptability. This will also need to include marketing methodologies to keep their image up and to show that there is not stagnation with the company and its offerings. --- Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, Fl 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net On 4/5/2011 9:04 AM, Brian Webster wrote: I have always said the cellular carriers have the over the air interface to deliver good speeds for the most part. It's their backhaul network that needs work and they are slowly and steadily upgrading that. While most are bashing them, they eventually will have upgraded the sites to remain competitive. They are far from perfect but once they finally have true Ethernet transport to every site, their performance will improve a lot over all digital modes they offer. They are and will continue to be a player in the broadband world. Best for WISP's to keep an eye on what they are doing and keep the pace with the overall broadband market changes. Fortunately it seems that the fixed wireless technology has kept the pace and/or exceeded other technologies. The WISP's themselves will need to keep
Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
LTE latency is about 60-100 ms -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 8:13 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update Yes, wimax latencies on d and e systems are documented, im talking about LTE latency Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremie Chism Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 9:07 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update Wimax. Not mobile. Mobile has higher latency times. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 5, 2011, at 7:59 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Wimax or LTE? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremie Chism Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 8:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update Depending on your cp ratio that will determine latency (atleast on mine). Lower cp ratio gives lower latency numbers. We typically see 20ms. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 5, 2011, at 7:53 PM, Blake Covarrubias bl...@beamspeed.com wrote: On Apr 5, 2011, at 4:37 PM, Gino Villarini wrote: That's air rate, actual throughput its about 60%... LTE Latency? IIRC it was in the 100 ms? I can't comment on LTE, but we're doing a trial of mobile WiMAX and seeing about 50-60ms back to the ASN gateway. -- Blake Covarrubias WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
I would expect LTE latency to be close to wimax because of scheduling. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 5, 2011, at 8:22 PM, Charles Wu c...@cticonnect.com wrote: LTE latency is about 60-100 ms -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 8:13 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update Yes, wimax latencies on d and e systems are documented, im talking about LTE latency Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremie Chism Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 9:07 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update Wimax. Not mobile. Mobile has higher latency times. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 5, 2011, at 7:59 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Wimax or LTE? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremie Chism Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 8:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update Depending on your cp ratio that will determine latency (atleast on mine). Lower cp ratio gives lower latency numbers. We typically see 20ms. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 5, 2011, at 7:53 PM, Blake Covarrubias bl...@beamspeed.com wrote: On Apr 5, 2011, at 4:37 PM, Gino Villarini wrote: That's air rate, actual throughput its about 60%... LTE Latency? IIRC it was in the 100 ms? I can't comment on LTE, but we're doing a trial of mobile WiMAX and seeing about 50-60ms back to the ASN gateway. -- Blake Covarrubias WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
There is no fixed lte protocol.. Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremie Chism Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 9:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update I would expect LTE latency to be close to wimax because of scheduling. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 5, 2011, at 8:22 PM, Charles Wu c...@cticonnect.com wrote: LTE latency is about 60-100 ms -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 8:13 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update Yes, wimax latencies on d and e systems are documented, im talking about LTE latency Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremie Chism Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 9:07 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update Wimax. Not mobile. Mobile has higher latency times. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 5, 2011, at 7:59 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Wimax or LTE? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremie Chism Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 8:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update Depending on your cp ratio that will determine latency (atleast on mine). Lower cp ratio gives lower latency numbers. We typically see 20ms. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 5, 2011, at 7:53 PM, Blake Covarrubias bl...@beamspeed.com wrote: On Apr 5, 2011, at 4:37 PM, Gino Villarini wrote: That's air rate, actual throughput its about 60%... LTE Latency? IIRC it was in the 100 ms? I can't comment on LTE, but we're doing a trial of mobile WiMAX and seeing about 50-60ms back to the ASN gateway. -- Blake Covarrubias WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
+100%! I've upgraded my network to the point that I cant anymore but 90% of the customers are fine with 1.5 or 3Mbps! On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 9:27 AM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: The other question is how much do you pay for the service? It all comes down to price. I can deliver 10Mbps x 10Mbps up to 300Mbps x 300Mbps to anyone that wants it... however, most people don't want to pay for it... ;) Travis Microserv On 4/5/2011 5:37 AM, Charles Wu wrote: It's generally known that the 20 Mb burst given by cable companies is throttled to sustained download speeds in the 1-3 Mb range That said, the point I'm trying to make is that the technology has come so far for mobile cellular data that we are now unconsciously comparing it side-by-side to fixed terrestrial broadband technologies (think of it this way, how many WISPs can deliver up-to speeds of 8-10 Mb to a low power handset in the middle of a concrete building 3+ miles away from a tower) -Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of St. Louis Broadband Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:33 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update I just checked my Charter via Ookla and it said I was getting 20 Mbps down and 1 Mbps up, horse pucky. I only get that in speedtests and never when I have to upload or download a big file via FTP or whatever. It generally gets throttled to dial up speeds or worse. ~V~ -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update Sitting in my living room at 8 pm3 bars, laptop connected to wireless router on phone http://www.speedtest.net/result/1236758959.png -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 6:39 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW Yeah, its nice when a product is brand new, and you get the whole sector all to yourself. I guess, its amazing that you are getting the speed to a handset, without the big antenna outside. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Charles Wuc...@cticonnect.com To:paolo.difrance...@level7.it; WISPA GeneralListwireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 8:31 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW It is my understanding that Verizon is deploying an FDD version of LTE -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 11:09 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW most of the test are half duplex tests. In few words, they do one direction, then the other direction (e.g. first the customer download, then the customer upload). Suppose you have a 10Mb half duplex: the test will tell you that you have 10Mb in one direction and 10Mb in the other direction. Then you use the connection in 10Mb full duplex and you will discover the story is totally different ;) Also, yes it's interesting to see what is happening on the network interface when the test is running... Do a real test and report back, like FTP. Ookla Speedtest.net test are bogus 99.9% percent of the time because it's based on screwy test algorithms. On 04/01/2011 11:05 PM, Charles Wu wrote: Just got my HTC Thunderbolt, and Ookla tested 20 Mb down, 24 Mb up at Speedtest.Net to my handset -Charles WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 web: http://www.level7
Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
For now. I doubt that you will be able to sustain that 90% with 1.5 or 3.0 indefinitely. I know we won't. - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 9:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update +100%! I've upgraded my network to the point that I cant anymore but 90% of the customers are fine with 1.5 or 3Mbps! On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 9:27 AM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.netmailto:t...@ida.net wrote: The other question is how much do you pay for the service? It all comes down to price. I can deliver 10Mbps x 10Mbps up to 300Mbps x 300Mbps to anyone that wants it... however, most people don't want to pay for it... ;) Travis Microserv On 4/5/2011 5:37 AM, Charles Wu wrote: It's generally known that the 20 Mb burst given by cable companies is throttled to sustained download speeds in the 1-3 Mb range That said, the point I'm trying to make is that the technology has come so far for mobile cellular data that we are now unconsciously comparing it side-by-side to fixed terrestrial broadband technologies (think of it this way, how many WISPs can deliver up-to speeds of 8-10 Mb to a low power handset in the middle of a concrete building 3+ miles away from a tower) -Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of St. Louis Broadband Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:33 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update I just checked my Charter via Ookla and it said I was getting 20 Mbps down and 1 Mbps up, horse pucky. I only get that in speedtests and never when I have to upload or download a big file via FTP or whatever. It generally gets throttled to dial up speeds or worse. ~V~ -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update Sitting in my living room at 8 pm3 bars, laptop connected to wireless router on phone http://www.speedtest.net/result/1236758959.png -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 6:39 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW Yeah, its nice when a product is brand new, and you get the whole sector all to yourself. I guess, its amazing that you are getting the speed to a handset, without the big antenna outside. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Charles Wuc...@cticonnect.commailto:c...@cticonnect.com To:paolo.difrance...@level7.itmailto:paolo.difrance...@level7.it; WISPA GeneralListwireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 8:31 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW It is my understanding that Verizon is deploying an FDD version of LTE -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 11:09 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW most of the test are half duplex tests. In few words, they do one direction, then the other direction (e.g. first the customer download, then the customer upload). Suppose you have a 10Mb half duplex: the test will tell you that you have 10Mb in one direction and 10Mb in the other direction. Then you use the connection in 10Mb full duplex and you will discover the story is totally different ;) Also, yes it's interesting to see what is happening on the network interface when the test is running... Do a real test and report back, like FTP. Ookla Speedtest.net test are bogus 99.9% percent of the time because it's based on screwy test algorithms. On 04/01/2011 11:05 PM, Charles Wu wrote: Just got my HTC Thunderbolt, and Ookla tested 20 Mb down, 24 Mb up at Speedtest.Net to my handset -Charles WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today
Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
You can always upgrade More! The key central question is ... how to 'Capitalize' on it and make some Money. There are always two ways the Market move .. Either PUSH (try to sell your excess capacity on the network , making it attractive , lower the selling price, while increasing margins ... or Packaging your products differently for a different Target Market). or PULL .. where the customers are knocking on your doors to demand more. So.. here is bit of Challenge for All of US, including Rick Travis If we have the capacity to deliver the high bandwidth to our customers.. and in our market place the Phone Company is still selling T1' s and Metro Ethernet's like hot cakes.. then there is only one possible conclusion . We need to Review our products / pricing / packaging strategy... since we are leaving a LOT on the Table.. now, if you tell me that in your / our market place.. the Telco's are hurting in business because folks are lining up purchase your / our circuits.. .then and only then I can say you are starting to 'saturate' your territory.. time to expand and break new ground. Some Food For Thought.. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, Fl 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net On 4/6/2011 12:08 AM, RickG wrote: +100%! I've upgraded my network to the point that I cant anymore but 90% of the customers are fine with 1.5 or 3Mbps! On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 9:27 AM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net mailto:t...@ida.net wrote: The other question is how much do you pay for the service? It all comes down to price. I can deliver 10Mbps x 10Mbps up to 300Mbps x 300Mbps to anyone that wants it... however, most people don't want to pay for it... ;) Travis Microserv On 4/5/2011 5:37 AM, Charles Wu wrote: It's generally known that the 20 Mb burst given by cable companies is throttled to sustained download speeds in the 1-3 Mb range That said, the point I'm trying to make is that the technology has come so far for mobile cellular data that we are now unconsciously comparing it side-by-side to fixed terrestrial broadband technologies (think of it this way, how many WISPs can deliver up-to speeds of 8-10 Mb to a low power handset in the middle of a concrete building 3+ miles away from a tower) -Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of St. Louis Broadband Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:33 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update I just checked my Charter via Ookla and it said I was getting 20 Mbps down and 1 Mbps up, horse pucky. I only get that in speedtests and never when I have to upload or download a big file via FTP or whatever. It generally gets throttled to dial up speeds or worse. ~V~ -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update Sitting in my living room at 8 pm3 bars, laptop connected to wireless router on phone http://www.speedtest.net/result/1236758959.png -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 6:39 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW Yeah, its nice when a product is brand new, and you get the whole sector all to yourself. I guess, its amazing that you are getting the speed to a handset, without the big antenna outside. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Charles Wuc...@cticonnect.com mailto:c...@cticonnect.com To:paolo.difrance...@level7.it mailto:paolo.difrance...@level7.it; WISPA GeneralListwireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 8:31 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW It is my understanding that Verizon is deploying an FDD version of LTE -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 11:09 AM To: WISPA
Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
Thats what I thought which is why I spent so much time and money on upgrading. I've got 30-50 megs at nearly every tower and I started offering 10Mbps posted rates. I even lowered the upgrade prices above 3Mbps. Very few care and even fewer take it. In fact, I have some that ask if we have a slower plan! I'm starting to be concerned that dial-up is good enough! On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 12:15 AM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.comwrote: For now. I doubt that you will be able to sustain that 90% with 1.5 or 3.0 indefinitely. I know we won't. - Jerry *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *RickG *Sent:* Tuesday, April 05, 2011 9:08 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update +100%! I've upgraded my network to the point that I cant anymore but 90% of the customers are fine with 1.5 or 3Mbps! On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 9:27 AM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: The other question is how much do you pay for the service? It all comes down to price. I can deliver 10Mbps x 10Mbps up to 300Mbps x 300Mbps to anyone that wants it... however, most people don't want to pay for it... ;) Travis Microserv On 4/5/2011 5:37 AM, Charles Wu wrote: It's generally known that the 20 Mb burst given by cable companies is throttled to sustained download speeds in the 1-3 Mb range That said, the point I'm trying to make is that the technology has come so far for mobile cellular data that we are now unconsciously comparing it side-by-side to fixed terrestrial broadband technologies (think of it this way, how many WISPs can deliver up-to speeds of 8-10 Mb to a low power handset in the middle of a concrete building 3+ miles away from a tower) -Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of St. Louis Broadband Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:33 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update I just checked my Charter via Ookla and it said I was getting 20 Mbps down and 1 Mbps up, horse pucky. I only get that in speedtests and never when I have to upload or download a big file via FTP or whatever. It generally gets throttled to dial up speeds or worse. ~V~ -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update Sitting in my living room at 8 pm3 bars, laptop connected to wireless router on phone http://www.speedtest.net/result/1236758959.png -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 6:39 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW Yeah, its nice when a product is brand new, and you get the whole sector all to yourself. I guess, its amazing that you are getting the speed to a handset, without the big antenna outside. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Charles Wuc...@cticonnect.com To:paolo.difrance...@level7.it; WISPA GeneralListwireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 8:31 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW It is my understanding that Verizon is deploying an FDD version of LTE -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 11:09 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW most of the test are half duplex tests. In few words, they do one direction, then the other direction (e.g. first the customer download, then the customer upload). Suppose you have a 10Mb half duplex: the test will tell you that you have 10Mb in one direction and 10Mb in the other direction. Then you use the connection in 10Mb full duplex and you will discover the story is totally different ;) Also, yes it's interesting to see what is happening on the network interface when the test is running... Do a real test and report back, like FTP. Ookla Speedtest.net test are bogus 99.9% percent of the time because it's based on screwy test algorithms. On 04/01/2011 11:05 PM, Charles Wu wrote: Just got my HTC Thunderbolt, and Ookla tested 20 Mb down, 24 Mb up at Speedtest.Net to my handset -Charles WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo
Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
We dont have lines forming but we get as many customers are I want/need. Sure, I could get lots more if I wanted but it's just more to worry about. As far as Telco's, my ATT contacts says High Cap sales are virtually nill around here. My Time Warner Rep says the same. On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 12:19 AM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net wrote: You can always upgrade More! The key central question is ... how to 'Capitalize' on it and make some Money. There are always two ways the Market move .. Either PUSH (try to sell your excess capacity on the network , making it attractive , lower the selling price, while increasing margins ... or Packaging your products differently for a different Target Market). or PULL .. where the customers are knocking on your doors to demand more. So.. here is bit of Challenge for All of US, including Rick Travis If we have the capacity to deliver the high bandwidth to our customers.. and in our market place the Phone Company is still selling T1' s and Metro Ethernet's like hot cakes.. then there is only one possible conclusion . We need to Review our products / pricing / packaging strategy... since we are leaving a LOT on the Table.. now, if you tell me that in your / our market place.. the Telco's are hurting in business because folks are lining up purchase your / our circuits.. .then and only then I can say you are starting to 'saturate' your territory.. time to expand and break new ground. Some Food For Thought.. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, Fl 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net On 4/6/2011 12:08 AM, RickG wrote: +100%! I've upgraded my network to the point that I cant anymore but 90% of the customers are fine with 1.5 or 3Mbps! On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 9:27 AM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: The other question is how much do you pay for the service? It all comes down to price. I can deliver 10Mbps x 10Mbps up to 300Mbps x 300Mbps to anyone that wants it... however, most people don't want to pay for it... ;) Travis Microserv On 4/5/2011 5:37 AM, Charles Wu wrote: It's generally known that the 20 Mb burst given by cable companies is throttled to sustained download speeds in the 1-3 Mb range That said, the point I'm trying to make is that the technology has come so far for mobile cellular data that we are now unconsciously comparing it side-by-side to fixed terrestrial broadband technologies (think of it this way, how many WISPs can deliver up-to speeds of 8-10 Mb to a low power handset in the middle of a concrete building 3+ miles away from a tower) -Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of St. Louis Broadband Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:33 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update I just checked my Charter via Ookla and it said I was getting 20 Mbps down and 1 Mbps up, horse pucky. I only get that in speedtests and never when I have to upload or download a big file via FTP or whatever. It generally gets throttled to dial up speeds or worse. ~V~ -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update Sitting in my living room at 8 pm3 bars, laptop connected to wireless router on phone http://www.speedtest.net/result/1236758959.png -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 6:39 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW Yeah, its nice when a product is brand new, and you get the whole sector all to yourself. I guess, its amazing that you are getting the speed to a handset, without the big antenna outside. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Charles Wuc...@cticonnect.com To:paolo.difrance...@level7.it; WISPA GeneralList wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 8:31 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW It is my understanding that Verizon is deploying an FDD version of LTE -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 11:09 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW most of the test are half duplex tests. In few words, they do one direction, then the other direction (e.g. first the customer download, then the customer upload). Suppose you have a 10Mb half duplex: the test will tell you that you have 10Mb in one direction
Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
Sitting in my living room at 8 pm3 bars, laptop connected to wireless router on phone http://www.speedtest.net/result/1236758959.png -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 6:39 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW Yeah, its nice when a product is brand new, and you get the whole sector all to yourself. I guess, its amazing that you are getting the speed to a handset, without the big antenna outside. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Charles Wu c...@cticonnect.com To: paolo.difrance...@level7.it; WISPA GeneralList wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 8:31 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW It is my understanding that Verizon is deploying an FDD version of LTE -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 11:09 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW most of the test are half duplex tests. In few words, they do one direction, then the other direction (e.g. first the customer download, then the customer upload). Suppose you have a 10Mb half duplex: the test will tell you that you have 10Mb in one direction and 10Mb in the other direction. Then you use the connection in 10Mb full duplex and you will discover the story is totally different ;) Also, yes it's interesting to see what is happening on the network interface when the test is running... Do a real test and report back, like FTP. Ookla Speedtest.net test are bogus 99.9% percent of the time because it's based on screwy test algorithms. On 04/01/2011 11:05 PM, Charles Wu wrote: Just got my HTC Thunderbolt, and Ookla tested 20 Mb down, 24 Mb up at Speedtest.Net to my handset -Charles WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
I just checked my Charter via Ookla and it said I was getting 20 Mbps down and 1 Mbps up, horse pucky. I only get that in speedtests and never when I have to upload or download a big file via FTP or whatever. It generally gets throttled to dial up speeds or worse. ~V~ -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update Sitting in my living room at 8 pm3 bars, laptop connected to wireless router on phone http://www.speedtest.net/result/1236758959.png -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 6:39 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW Yeah, its nice when a product is brand new, and you get the whole sector all to yourself. I guess, its amazing that you are getting the speed to a handset, without the big antenna outside. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Charles Wu c...@cticonnect.com To: paolo.difrance...@level7.it; WISPA GeneralList wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 8:31 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW It is my understanding that Verizon is deploying an FDD version of LTE -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 11:09 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW most of the test are half duplex tests. In few words, they do one direction, then the other direction (e.g. first the customer download, then the customer upload). Suppose you have a 10Mb half duplex: the test will tell you that you have 10Mb in one direction and 10Mb in the other direction. Then you use the connection in 10Mb full duplex and you will discover the story is totally different ;) Also, yes it's interesting to see what is happening on the network interface when the test is running... Do a real test and report back, like FTP. Ookla Speedtest.net test are bogus 99.9% percent of the time because it's based on screwy test algorithms. On 04/01/2011 11:05 PM, Charles Wu wrote: Just got my HTC Thunderbolt, and Ookla tested 20 Mb down, 24 Mb up at Speedtest.Net to my handset -Charles WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http
