Re: [WISPA] WTB: MikroTik RB/411 with blown ethernet ports
I am accumulating RB450Gs with bad eth ports. Some ports work fine router works no problem. Is it the same deal for these cause I need them fixed ;) Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 5:07 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] WTB: MikroTik RB/411 with blown ethernet ports If you have any RB/411's that boot up, but have blown Ethernet ports, I will buy them from you. $5/board if you don't want it back $20/board if you would like it repaired and sent back to you. Some boards that we have been receiving cannot be repaired due to a direct lightning strike. They must be bootable, but without link. Please contact me off-list for further details. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] WTB: MikroTik RB/411 with blown ethernet ports
But, can it be repaired cost effectively? I have blown RouterBoard 532's, 230's, 112's, 133's as well as soekris and pc engines SBC's, and lucent/orinoco gear. How about the diversity switch on the UBNT sr2 and sr5 cards? Butch Evans wrote: On Fri, 2009-07-31 at 22:24 -0400, Scott Carullo wrote: Man I thrown a bunch of these out. Have to dig through my trash now lol I posted a message SEVERAL days ago about these repairs. We can repair ANY routerboard, UBNT devices (Nanostations, bullets, power stations, etc.), Canopy... I'm curious if I were to use say an RB433 would it be any more resilient to close lightning strikes? Not really. The problem is due to poor grounding (the board design, not necessarily your work). Either way, nearly ANY board can be repaired. It doesn't matter if it powers up or not. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] WTB: MikroTik RB/411 with blown ethernet ports
Another issue: when cards are blown, does it weaken the other componets thereby creating a possible issue shortly after it is put back into service? -RickG On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 4:25 AM, Blair Davisthe...@wmwisp.net wrote: But, can it be repaired cost effectively? I have blown RouterBoard 532's, 230's, 112's, 133's as well as soekris and pc engines SBC's, and lucent/orinoco gear. How about the diversity switch on the UBNT sr2 and sr5 cards? Butch Evans wrote: On Fri, 2009-07-31 at 22:24 -0400, Scott Carullo wrote: Man I thrown a bunch of these out. Have to dig through my trash now lol I posted a message SEVERAL days ago about these repairs. We can repair ANY routerboard, UBNT devices (Nanostations, bullets, power stations, etc.), Canopy... I'm curious if I were to use say an RB433 would it be any more resilient to close lightning strikes? Not really. The problem is due to poor grounding (the board design, not necessarily your work). Either way, nearly ANY board can be repaired. It doesn't matter if it powers up or not. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] WTB: MikroTik RB/411 with blown ethernet ports
I would stop using something if I had that many failures a month, even for that many subscribers. You'll have replaced your whole subscriber base in three years at that rate, even if the customer didn't need the upgrade. Or half of them in 18 months. The 433 is is probably less expensive than a service call + rb411. I've not bought a single 411 because I've heard of this problem. I do buy lots of 433ah's though. I've got some radios out in the field that close to 10 years old now. I do expect 5-6 years out of a radio on average, even if I pay for it in 1-3. Our guys can only handle so many service calls and miles of travel a day. We use mostly Trango and Alvarion radios, and 100ish MT routers. We dispose of a couple of each type of radio, and maybe 1 RB a month for about twice as many subs. On Sat, Aug 01, 2009 at 10:26:28AM -0400, Chuck Hogg wrote: The chip on the 411 is different than the one on the 433, the 433 has a switch chip built in. We could probably repair the 433/450 as well, but the chip to repair/replace is significantly more expensive. I have not seen as many issues with the 433's blowing, but we seem to blow about 10-20 411's a month out of 700 or so subs using them. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Carullo Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 10:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] WTB: MikroTik RB/411 with blown ethernet ports Man I thrown a bunch of these out. Have to dig through my trash now lol I assume its the same deal with eth ports on RB450G and others? Question - Its funny your subject listed the RB411. I have had LOTS of RB411 eth ports blown. Obviously I'm not the only one or this thread would not have started. Do you all see the same problems on other routerboards or just the RB411? I'm curious if I were to use say an RB433 would it be any more resilient to close lightning strikes? I'd gladly start using them or whatever else might work. I do have lots of 532's and 133's and they do not seem to have this problem, but I have more RB411's so it could be just statistics... Opinions? Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 5:07 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] WTB: MikroTik RB/411 with blown ethernet ports If you have any RB/411's that boot up, but have blown Ethernet ports, I will buy them from you. $5/board if you don't want it back $20/board if you would like it repaired and sent back to you. Some boards that we have been receiving cannot be repaired due to a direct lightning strike. They must be bootable, but without link. Please contact me off-list for further details. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] WTB: MikroTik RB/411 with blown ethernet ports
While I don't disagree, we are in the process of switching CPE's to Moto SM's. I've too got MT boards out there since I installed them over 3 years ago, and I have 411 boards that are in service since they first came out. The problem is that they are much more sensitive to lightning/ESD. Really, in the summer/spring months with more electricity is when it's 10-20 a month. I over-exaggerated it over the course of a year. June we had 5 and July we had 23. Only good news is that I can repair them relatively cheaply, but the service call/aggravation is lost $$. I just can't afford 700 SM's and 3 months of downtime getting them installed with my small crew. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of jp Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 1:58 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] WTB: MikroTik RB/411 with blown ethernet ports I would stop using something if I had that many failures a month, even for that many subscribers. You'll have replaced your whole subscriber base in three years at that rate, even if the customer didn't need the upgrade. Or half of them in 18 months. The 433 is is probably less expensive than a service call + rb411. I've not bought a single 411 because I've heard of this problem. I do buy lots of 433ah's though. I've got some radios out in the field that close to 10 years old now. I do expect 5-6 years out of a radio on average, even if I pay for it in 1-3. Our guys can only handle so many service calls and miles of travel a day. We use mostly Trango and Alvarion radios, and 100ish MT routers. We dispose of a couple of each type of radio, and maybe 1 RB a month for about twice as many subs. On Sat, Aug 01, 2009 at 10:26:28AM -0400, Chuck Hogg wrote: The chip on the 411 is different than the one on the 433, the 433 has a switch chip built in. We could probably repair the 433/450 as well, but the chip to repair/replace is significantly more expensive. I have not seen as many issues with the 433's blowing, but we seem to blow about 10-20 411's a month out of 700 or so subs using them. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Carullo Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 10:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] WTB: MikroTik RB/411 with blown ethernet ports Man I thrown a bunch of these out. Have to dig through my trash now lol I assume its the same deal with eth ports on RB450G and others? Question - Its funny your subject listed the RB411. I have had LOTS of RB411 eth ports blown. Obviously I'm not the only one or this thread would not have started. Do you all see the same problems on other routerboards or just the RB411? I'm curious if I were to use say an RB433 would it be any more resilient to close lightning strikes? I'd gladly start using them or whatever else might work. I do have lots of 532's and 133's and they do not seem to have this problem, but I have more RB411's so it could be just statistics... Opinions? Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 5:07 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] WTB: MikroTik RB/411 with blown ethernet ports If you have any RB/411's that boot up, but have blown Ethernet ports, I will buy them from you. $5/board if you don't want it back $20/board if you would like it repaired and sent back to you. Some boards that we have been receiving cannot be repaired due to a direct lightning strike. They must be bootable, but without link. Please contact me off-list for further details. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] WTB: MikroTik RB/411 with blown ethernet ports
On Mon, 2009-08-03 at 04:25 -0400, Blair Davis wrote: But, can it be repaired cost effectively? All repairs are $30 for qty over 20. We charge $35 per board for under 20 per order. For a 411, that is probably NOT cost effective. For most other boards, it is. There is very little that we cannot replace on these SBC. I am in the process of gathering the required chips, but I have the ethernet chips for nearly all the routerboards and I have the power controllers and supporting electronics as well. With a few exceptions, I either have in stock, or on the way, everything that is needed to repair about 90%+ of any problem they would have. How about the diversity switch on the UBNT sr2 and sr5 cards? I have not checked on the cost for that part. I would imagine that we would be able to replace this part, but I have not tried working on these cards, yet. The problem with the radio cards, is the rf shield. Getting it off is not a problem, but getting it back into place without changing the rf properties is a bit more challenging and I do not have the proper equipment to guarantee that we have not changed the properties of the card (and therefore the FCC certification). -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://www.wispa.org/ * WISPA Board Member * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] WTB: MikroTik RB/411 with blown ethernet ports
On Mon, 2009-08-03 at 12:17 -0400, RickG wrote: Another issue: when cards are blown, does it weaken the other componets thereby creating a possible issue shortly after it is put back into service? While this is certainly possible, it is very unlikely. It would be more likely that the discrete components would be weakened than the ICs, but even that is an unlikely event. We do extensive tests on these prior to shipping them back, so we would be likely to catch this sort of problem. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://www.wispa.org/ * WISPA Board Member * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] WTB: MikroTik RB/411 with blown ethernet ports
The switch is outside the shield, and if I cold find them, I could do it myself. but, if someone else is going to do them, I'll be a client . Butch Evans wrote: On Mon, 2009-08-03 at 04:25 -0400, Blair Davis wrote: But, can it be repaired cost effectively? All repairs are $30 for qty over 20. We charge $35 per board for under 20 per order. For a 411, that is probably NOT cost effective. For most other boards, it is. There is very little that we cannot replace on these SBC. I am in the process of gathering the required chips, but I have the ethernet chips for nearly all the routerboards and I have the power controllers and supporting electronics as well. With a few exceptions, I either have in stock, or on the way, everything that is needed to repair about 90%+ of any problem they would have. How about the diversity switch on the UBNT sr2 and sr5 cards? I have not checked on the cost for that part. I would imagine that we would be able to replace this part, but I have not tried working on these cards, yet. The problem with the radio cards, is the rf shield. Getting it off is not a problem, but getting it back into place without changing the rf properties is a bit more challenging and I do not have the proper equipment to guarantee that we have not changed the properties of the card (and therefore the FCC certification). WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] WTB: MikroTik RB/411 with blown ethernet ports
On Mon, 2009-08-03 at 23:03 -0400, Blair Davis wrote: The switch is outside the shield, and if I cold find them, I could do it myself. but, if someone else is going to do them, I'll be a client I will look for it. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://www.wispa.org/ * WISPA Board Member * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] WTB: MikroTik RB/411 with blown ethernet ports
The chip on the 411 is different than the one on the 433, the 433 has a switch chip built in. We could probably repair the 433/450 as well, but the chip to repair/replace is significantly more expensive. I have not seen as many issues with the 433's blowing, but we seem to blow about 10-20 411's a month out of 700 or so subs using them. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Carullo Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 10:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] WTB: MikroTik RB/411 with blown ethernet ports Man I thrown a bunch of these out. Have to dig through my trash now lol I assume its the same deal with eth ports on RB450G and others? Question - Its funny your subject listed the RB411. I have had LOTS of RB411 eth ports blown. Obviously I'm not the only one or this thread would not have started. Do you all see the same problems on other routerboards or just the RB411? I'm curious if I were to use say an RB433 would it be any more resilient to close lightning strikes? I'd gladly start using them or whatever else might work. I do have lots of 532's and 133's and they do not seem to have this problem, but I have more RB411's so it could be just statistics... Opinions? Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 5:07 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] WTB: MikroTik RB/411 with blown ethernet ports If you have any RB/411's that boot up, but have blown Ethernet ports, I will buy them from you. $5/board if you don't want it back $20/board if you would like it repaired and sent back to you. Some boards that we have been receiving cannot be repaired due to a direct lightning strike. They must be bootable, but without link. Please contact me off-list for further details. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] WTB: MikroTik RB/411 with blown ethernet ports
OUCH! Now that is a high failure rate. Not a big deal as its the one, but very annoying issue when it first came up. The ping watchdog was on the #2 port. The weather was good so I am really thinking/hope its spiders. If not oh well, its the only non obvious board failure in 5 years. The rest were easy to spot where the magic smoke was released. Jeromie Chuck Hogg wrote: The chip on the 411 is different than the one on the 433, the 433 has a switch chip built in. We could probably repair the 433/450 as well, but the chip to repair/replace is significantly more expensive. I have not seen as many issues with the 433's blowing, but we seem to blow about 10-20 411's a month out of 700 or so subs using them. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Carullo Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 10:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] WTB: MikroTik RB/411 with blown ethernet ports Man I thrown a bunch of these out. Have to dig through my trash now lol I assume its the same deal with eth ports on RB450G and others? Question - Its funny your subject listed the RB411. I have had LOTS of RB411 eth ports blown. Obviously I'm not the only one or this thread would not have started. Do you all see the same problems on other routerboards or just the RB411? I'm curious if I were to use say an RB433 would it be any more resilient to close lightning strikes? I'd gladly start using them or whatever else might work. I do have lots of 532's and 133's and they do not seem to have this problem, but I have more RB411's so it could be just statistics... Opinions? Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 5:07 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] WTB: MikroTik RB/411 with blown ethernet ports If you have any RB/411's that boot up, but have blown Ethernet ports, I will buy them from you. $5/board if you don't want it back $20/board if you would like it repaired and sent back to you. Some boards that we have been receiving cannot be repaired due to a direct lightning strike. They must be bootable, but without link. Please contact me off-list for further details. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] WTB: MikroTik RB/411 with blown ethernet ports
How does the 493 relate to the 411 and 433? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 10:36 AM, jree...@18-30chat.net jree...@18-30chat.net wrote: OUCH! Now that is a high failure rate. Not a big deal as its the one, but very annoying issue when it first came up. The ping watchdog was on the #2 port. The weather was good so I am really thinking/hope its spiders. If not oh well, its the only non obvious board failure in 5 years. The rest were easy to spot where the magic smoke was released. Jeromie Chuck Hogg wrote: The chip on the 411 is different than the one on the 433, the 433 has a switch chip built in. We could probably repair the 433/450 as well, but the chip to repair/replace is significantly more expensive. I have not seen as many issues with the 433's blowing, but we seem to blow about 10-20 411's a month out of 700 or so subs using them. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Carullo Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 10:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] WTB: MikroTik RB/411 with blown ethernet ports Man I thrown a bunch of these out. Have to dig through my trash now lol I assume its the same deal with eth ports on RB450G and others? Question - Its funny your subject listed the RB411. I have had LOTS of RB411 eth ports blown. Obviously I'm not the only one or this thread would not have started. Do you all see the same problems on other routerboards or just the RB411? I'm curious if I were to use say an RB433 would it be any more resilient to close lightning strikes? I'd gladly start using them or whatever else might work. I do have lots of 532's and 133's and they do not seem to have this problem, but I have more RB411's so it could be just statistics... Opinions? Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 5:07 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] WTB: MikroTik RB/411 with blown ethernet ports If you have any RB/411's that boot up, but have blown Ethernet ports, I will buy them from you. $5/board if you don't want it back $20/board if you would like it repaired and sent back to you. Some boards that we have been receiving cannot be repaired due to a direct lightning strike. They must be bootable, but without link. Please contact me off-list for further details. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives
Re: [WISPA] WTB: MikroTik RB/411 with blown ethernet ports
Again, different chip. It uses a chip with a switch built into it, unlike the 411 where it is just the Ethernet controller. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 10:42 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] WTB: MikroTik RB/411 with blown ethernet ports How does the 493 relate to the 411 and 433? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 10:36 AM, jree...@18-30chat.net jree...@18-30chat.net wrote: OUCH! Now that is a high failure rate. Not a big deal as its the one, but very annoying issue when it first came up. The ping watchdog was on the #2 port. The weather was good so I am really thinking/hope its spiders. If not oh well, its the only non obvious board failure in 5 years. The rest were easy to spot where the magic smoke was released. Jeromie Chuck Hogg wrote: The chip on the 411 is different than the one on the 433, the 433 has a switch chip built in. We could probably repair the 433/450 as well, but the chip to repair/replace is significantly more expensive. I have not seen as many issues with the 433's blowing, but we seem to blow about 10-20 411's a month out of 700 or so subs using them. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Carullo Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 10:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] WTB: MikroTik RB/411 with blown ethernet ports Man I thrown a bunch of these out. Have to dig through my trash now lol I assume its the same deal with eth ports on RB450G and others? Question - Its funny your subject listed the RB411. I have had LOTS of RB411 eth ports blown. Obviously I'm not the only one or this thread would not have started. Do you all see the same problems on other routerboards or just the RB411? I'm curious if I were to use say an RB433 would it be any more resilient to close lightning strikes? I'd gladly start using them or whatever else might work. I do have lots of 532's and 133's and they do not seem to have this problem, but I have more RB411's so it could be just statistics... Opinions? Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 5:07 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] WTB: MikroTik RB/411 with blown ethernet ports If you have any RB/411's that boot up, but have blown Ethernet ports, I will buy them from you. $5/board if you don't want it back $20/board if you would like it repaired and sent back to you. Some boards that we have been receiving cannot be repaired due to a direct lightning strike. They must be bootable, but without link. Please contact me off-list for further details. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless
Re: [WISPA] WTB: MikroTik RB/411 with blown ethernet ports
433 and 493 using the same chip then? On 8/1/09, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: Again, different chip. It uses a chip with a switch built into it, unlike the 411 where it is just the Ethernet controller. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 10:42 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] WTB: MikroTik RB/411 with blown ethernet ports How does the 493 relate to the 411 and 433? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 10:36 AM, jree...@18-30chat.net jree...@18-30chat.net wrote: OUCH! Now that is a high failure rate. Not a big deal as its the one, but very annoying issue when it first came up. The ping watchdog was on the #2 port. The weather was good so I am really thinking/hope its spiders. If not oh well, its the only non obvious board failure in 5 years. The rest were easy to spot where the magic smoke was released. Jeromie Chuck Hogg wrote: The chip on the 411 is different than the one on the 433, the 433 has a switch chip built in. We could probably repair the 433/450 as well, but the chip to repair/replace is significantly more expensive. I have not seen as many issues with the 433's blowing, but we seem to blow about 10-20 411's a month out of 700 or so subs using them. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Carullo Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 10:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] WTB: MikroTik RB/411 with blown ethernet ports Man I thrown a bunch of these out. Have to dig through my trash now lol I assume its the same deal with eth ports on RB450G and others? Question - Its funny your subject listed the RB411. I have had LOTS of RB411 eth ports blown. Obviously I'm not the only one or this thread would not have started. Do you all see the same problems on other routerboards or just the RB411? I'm curious if I were to use say an RB433 would it be any more resilient to close lightning strikes? I'd gladly start using them or whatever else might work. I do have lots of 532's and 133's and they do not seem to have this problem, but I have more RB411's so it could be just statistics... Opinions? Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 5:07 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] WTB: MikroTik RB/411 with blown ethernet ports If you have any RB/411's that boot up, but have blown Ethernet ports, I will buy them from you. $5/board if you don't want it back $20/board if you would like it repaired and sent back to you. Some boards that we have been receiving cannot be repaired due to a direct lightning strike. They must be bootable, but without link. Please contact me off-list for further details. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http
Re: [WISPA] WTB: MikroTik RB/411 with blown ethernet ports
Looking at the pictures, it is a different chip. I would have to confirm when I get back to the office to be sure. Same manufacturer, slightly different model it appears. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 3:19 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] WTB: MikroTik RB/411 with blown ethernet ports 433 and 493 using the same chip then? On 8/1/09, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: Again, different chip. It uses a chip with a switch built into it, unlike the 411 where it is just the Ethernet controller. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 10:42 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] WTB: MikroTik RB/411 with blown ethernet ports How does the 493 relate to the 411 and 433? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 10:36 AM, jree...@18-30chat.net jree...@18-30chat.net wrote: OUCH! Now that is a high failure rate. Not a big deal as its the one, but very annoying issue when it first came up. The ping watchdog was on the #2 port. The weather was good so I am really thinking/hope its spiders. If not oh well, its the only non obvious board failure in 5 years. The rest were easy to spot where the magic smoke was released. Jeromie Chuck Hogg wrote: The chip on the 411 is different than the one on the 433, the 433 has a switch chip built in. We could probably repair the 433/450 as well, but the chip to repair/replace is significantly more expensive. I have not seen as many issues with the 433's blowing, but we seem to blow about 10-20 411's a month out of 700 or so subs using them. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Carullo Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 10:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] WTB: MikroTik RB/411 with blown ethernet ports Man I thrown a bunch of these out. Have to dig through my trash now lol I assume its the same deal with eth ports on RB450G and others? Question - Its funny your subject listed the RB411. I have had LOTS of RB411 eth ports blown. Obviously I'm not the only one or this thread would not have started. Do you all see the same problems on other routerboards or just the RB411? I'm curious if I were to use say an RB433 would it be any more resilient to close lightning strikes? I'd gladly start using them or whatever else might work. I do have lots of 532's and 133's and they do not seem to have this problem, but I have more RB411's so it could be just statistics... Opinions? Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 5:07 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] WTB: MikroTik RB/411 with blown ethernet ports If you have any RB/411's that boot up, but have blown Ethernet ports, I will buy them from you. $5/board if you don't want it back $20/board if you would like it repaired and sent back to you. Some boards that we have been receiving cannot be repaired due to a direct lightning strike. They must be bootable, but without link. Please contact me off-list for further details. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
[WISPA] WTB: MikroTik RB/411 with blown ethernet ports
If you have any RB/411's that boot up, but have blown Ethernet ports, I will buy them from you. $5/board if you don't want it back $20/board if you would like it repaired and sent back to you. Some boards that we have been receiving cannot be repaired due to a direct lightning strike. They must be bootable, but without link. Please contact me off-list for further details. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] WTB: MikroTik RB/411 with blown ethernet ports
Man I thrown a bunch of these out. Have to dig through my trash now lol I assume its the same deal with eth ports on RB450G and others? Question - Its funny your subject listed the RB411. I have had LOTS of RB411 eth ports blown. Obviously I'm not the only one or this thread would not have started. Do you all see the same problems on other routerboards or just the RB411? I'm curious if I were to use say an RB433 would it be any more resilient to close lightning strikes? I'd gladly start using them or whatever else might work. I do have lots of 532's and 133's and they do not seem to have this problem, but I have more RB411's so it could be just statistics... Opinions? Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 5:07 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] WTB: MikroTik RB/411 with blown ethernet ports If you have any RB/411's that boot up, but have blown Ethernet ports, I will buy them from you. $5/board if you don't want it back $20/board if you would like it repaired and sent back to you. Some boards that we have been receiving cannot be repaired due to a direct lightning strike. They must be bootable, but without link. Please contact me off-list for further details. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
