Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik
Wow! My first thought when you started was not enough power but then read you changed the power supply. Still sounds like power though. Did you check the power where you are plugging that supply into? Anything else running off that circuit like any motors or high surge items? What about firmware? Did you try flashing up or down and maybe match any MT board this one is talking to? Stranger things have happened. I agree with the frustration about the 433ah slots being too close, but MT will say that their cards fit just fine! I'm in the same boat with you on that. Installed a 600a with the daughterboard on one AP just to get around that same problem. I've also used a 433ah and a 433 with level 4 and got it to work. Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Forbes Mercy Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 2:08 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik I had a whole lot planned for this weekend, instead I spent 15 hours of it working on an AP that won't behave. It's the third long fix period I've had to do for Microtik this weekend, while I do have 20 AP's and backhauls under that brand, none work easily, and the frustrations are plentiful. SO Last week we upgraded a prizim chip to an XR2 on a three radio card 133c. We started to have problems with the new card randomly dropping then after disable/enable would come back up. As the week went on it happened more frequently. First solution, change out the new card, no difference. The next was a new power supply. Figured that was it since the 133 was running on a 12v, we upgraded to an 18iv, no change. So this weekend upgraded to a 433ah board and the three cards (2 XR2's and 1 SR1 as you know you can't put three XR2's in a 433 cause they made the slots too close together), no change, now the board wouldn't drop the connections it just increased latency dramatically after a few minutes, then resume low pings (average at this tower is 4ms) for about 50 cycles then get worse until about 4000 then time outs. Today after manually entering the 120 people on the new board (four hours since you can't cut/paste to a Microtik) the ethernet port dropped. I should point out I'm on my third trip up my steepest mountain where my jeep struggles to get up it. Power cycle and it's up (yes I'm well aware of remote reboot systems but its never been a problem so it was low priority). Tonight my after hours is slammed with my Internet is so slow calls from that tower and sure enough 4000ms pings. I've spent all weekend on it and I don't know what else to do, any ideas out there? I know these radio's pretty well so I've tried the simple stuff (adjust power, change frequencies, blah blah) HELP! Not a pretty weekend, Forbes forbes.me...@wabroadband.com attachment: winmail.dat WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik
Are you running NStreme as 120 clients seems a lot for an NStreme enabled AP without wireless-test package? Do you have latency to clients on all radio cards or just 1? Have you disabled connection tracking and default forward on the radio cards? -Original Message- From: Forbes Mercy [mailto:forbes.me...@wabroadband.com] Sent: 24 August 2009 07:08 To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik I had a whole lot planned for this weekend, instead I spent 15 hours of it working on an AP that won't behave. It's the third long fix period I've had to do for Microtik this weekend, while I do have 20 AP's and backhauls under that brand, none work easily, and the frustrations are plentiful. SO Last week we upgraded a prizim chip to an XR2 on a three radio card 133c. We started to have problems with the new card randomly dropping then after disable/enable would come back up. As the week went on it happened more frequently. First solution, change out the new card, no difference. The next was a new power supply. Figured that was it since the 133 was running on a 12v, we upgraded to an 18iv, no change. So this weekend upgraded to a 433ah board and the three cards (2 XR2's and 1 SR1 as you know you can't put three XR2's in a 433 cause they made the slots too close together), no change, now the board wouldn't drop the connections it just increased latency dramatically after a few minutes, then resume low pings (average at this tower is 4ms) for about 50 cycles then get worse until about 4000 then time outs. Today after manually entering the 120 people on the new board (four hours since you can't cut/paste to a Microtik) the ethernet port dropped. I should point out I'm on my third trip up my steepest mountain where my jeep struggles to get up it. Power cycle and it's up (yes I'm well aware of remote reboot systems but its never been a problem so it was low priority). Tonight my after hours is slammed with my Internet is so slow calls from that tower and sure enough 4000ms pings. I've spent all weekend on it and I don't know what else to do, any ideas out there? I know these radio's pretty well so I've tried the simple stuff (adjust power, change frequencies, blah blah) HELP! Not a pretty weekend, Forbes forbes.me...@wabroadband.com -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik
Correction, a 433ah with a 411 at level 4 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 2:36 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik Wow! My first thought when you started was not enough power but then read you changed the power supply. Still sounds like power though. Did you check the power where you are plugging that supply into? Anything else running off that circuit like any motors or high surge items? What about firmware? Did you try flashing up or down and maybe match any MT board this one is talking to? Stranger things have happened. I agree with the frustration about the 433ah slots being too close, but MT will say that their cards fit just fine! I'm in the same boat with you on that. Installed a 600a with the daughterboard on one AP just to get around that same problem. I've also used a 433ah and a 433 with level 4 and got it to work. Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Forbes Mercy Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 2:08 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik I had a whole lot planned for this weekend, instead I spent 15 hours of it working on an AP that won't behave. It's the third long fix period I've had to do for Microtik this weekend, while I do have 20 AP's and backhauls under that brand, none work easily, and the frustrations are plentiful. SO Last week we upgraded a prizim chip to an XR2 on a three radio card 133c. We started to have problems with the new card randomly dropping then after disable/enable would come back up. As the week went on it happened more frequently. First solution, change out the new card, no difference. The next was a new power supply. Figured that was it since the 133 was running on a 12v, we upgraded to an 18iv, no change. So this weekend upgraded to a 433ah board and the three cards (2 XR2's and 1 SR1 as you know you can't put three XR2's in a 433 cause they made the slots too close together), no change, now the board wouldn't drop the connections it just increased latency dramatically after a few minutes, then resume low pings (average at this tower is 4ms) for about 50 cycles then get worse until about 4000 then time outs. Today after manually entering the 120 people on the new board (four hours since you can't cut/paste to a Microtik) the ethernet port dropped. I should point out I'm on my third trip up my steepest mountain where my jeep struggles to get up it. Power cycle and it's up (yes I'm well aware of remote reboot systems but its never been a problem so it was low priority). Tonight my after hours is slammed with my Internet is so slow calls from that tower and sure enough 4000ms pings. I've spent all weekend on it and I don't know what else to do, any ideas out there? I know these radio's pretty well so I've tried the simple stuff (adjust power, change frequencies, blah blah) HELP! Not a pretty weekend, Forbes forbes.me...@wabroadband.com attachment: winmail.dat WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik
I don't have an answer for your real problem, but I may be able to help with how long it takes to configure a board in the future, Copy and paste works in a terminal window. However ctrl-c does not. You can highlight a set of statements, right click-copy and then right click-paste on the new device. Only time this won't work is sometimes between major levels the syntax changes. Export can be your friend, too. Again requires using terminal. Go to the area you need to copy to another board, such as queue/simple. Type export file=filename. This creates a file that you can drag to your PC. You can then edit it as required in your favorite text editor. Then drag it to the new board. In terminal go to the proper section and import file=filename will load the data from the old board. If you are doing same version to same board type you can export from the root level to do the entire configuration. Forbes Mercy wrote: I had a whole lot planned for this weekend, instead I spent 15 hours of it working on an AP that won't behave. It's the third long fix period I've had to do for Microtik this weekend, while I do have 20 AP's and backhauls under that brand, none work easily, and the frustrations are plentiful. SO Last week we upgraded a prizim chip to an XR2 on a three radio card 133c. We started to have problems with the new card randomly dropping then after disable/enable would come back up. As the week went on it happened more frequently. First solution, change out the new card, no difference. The next was a new power supply. Figured that was it since the 133 was running on a 12v, we upgraded to an 18iv, no change. So this weekend upgraded to a 433ah board and the three cards (2 XR2's and 1 SR1 as you know you can't put three XR2's in a 433 cause they made the slots too close together), no change, now the board wouldn't drop the connections it just increased latency dramatically after a few minutes, then resume low pings (average at this tower is 4ms) for about 50 cycles then get worse until about 4000 then time outs. Today after manually entering the 120 people on the new board (four hours since you can't cut/paste to a Microtik) the ethernet port dropped. I should point out I'm on my third trip up my steepest mountain where my jeep struggles to get up it. Power cycle and it's up (yes I'm well aware of remote reboot systems but its never been a problem so it was low priority). Tonight my after hours is slammed with my Internet is so slow calls from that tower and sure enough 4000ms pings. I've spent all weekend on it and I don't know what else to do, any ideas out there? I know these radio's pretty well so I've tried the simple stuff (adjust power, change frequencies, blah blah) HELP! Not a pretty weekend, Forbes forbes.me...@wabroadband.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.65/2322 - Release Date: 08/23/09 18:03:00 -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik
How in gods name do you guys stay in business if you still haven't found a stable platform that you know how to configure. I'm just amazed. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik
Int wireless access-lis export On 8/24/09, George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net wrote: How in gods name do you guys stay in business if you still haven't found a stable platform that you know how to configure. I'm just amazed. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik
Forbes, I had this same issue with 411a. I was running 3- 411a boards with 12v they worked great for about a week then all the sudden the clients started all dropping off and back on. Then it started locking up ever night I got to the point that I made it part of my early morning coffee to drive the 15 miles and reboot every day. After 2 weeks of messing we realized that the units were struggling for power. We went to a 24V POE and that same tower has now been up with 40 clients for 165 days. The XR series really tasks the boards. That is what fixed it for me. I think those XR boards really eat the power. Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WINhttp://www.pcswin.com/ RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Servicehttp://www.rcwifi.com/ Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Forbes Mercy Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 2:08 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik I had a whole lot planned for this weekend, instead I spent 15 hours of it working on an AP that won't behave. It's the third long fix period I've had to do for Microtik this weekend, while I do have 20 AP's and backhauls under that brand, none work easily, and the frustrations are plentiful. SO Last week we upgraded a prizim chip to an XR2 on a three radio card 133c. We started to have problems with the new card randomly dropping then after disable/enable would come back up. As the week went on it happened more frequently. First solution, change out the new card, no difference. The next was a new power supply. Figured that was it since the 133 was running on a 12v, we upgraded to an 18iv, no change. So this weekend upgraded to a 433ah board and the three cards (2 XR2's and 1 SR1 as you know you can't put three XR2's in a 433 cause they made the slots too close together), no change, now the board wouldn't drop the connections it just increased latency dramatically after a few minutes, then resume low pings (average at this tower is 4ms) for about 50 cycles then get worse until about 4000 then time outs. Today after manually entering the 120 people on the new board (four hours since you can't cut/paste to a Microtik) the ethernet port dropped. I should point out I'm on my third trip up my steepest mountain where my jeep struggles to get up it. Power cycle and it's up (yes I'm well aware of remote reboot systems but its never been a problem so it was low priority). Tonight my after hours is slammed with my Internet is so slow calls from that tower and sure enough 4000ms pings. I've spent all weekend on it and I don't know what else to do, any ideas out there? I know these radio's pretty well so I've tried the simple stuff (adjust power, change frequencies, blah blah) HELP! Not a pretty weekend, Forbes forbes.me...@wabroadband.commailto:forbes.me...@wabroadband.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik
Sounds like you have one or more infected customers that are flooding the AP. Also, 120 customers is not acceptable for a Mikrotik AP. We keep our MT AP's under 50 people (and try to stay around 30). Also, you can easily "copy and paste" from one board to another. You do an "export" from the one and an "import" to the other. We do it all the time. :) Travis Microserv Forbes Mercy wrote: I had a whole lot planned for this weekend, instead I spent 15 hours of it working on an AP that won't behave. It's the third long fix period I've had to do for Microtik this weekend, while I do have 20 AP's and backhauls under that brand, none work easily, and the frustrations are plentiful. SO Last week we upgraded a prizim chip to an XR2 on a three radio card 133c. We started to have problems with the new card randomly dropping then after disable/enable would come back up. As the week went on it happened more frequently. First solution, change out the new card, no difference. The next was a new power supply. Figured that was it since the 133 was running on a 12v, we upgraded to an 18iv, no change. So this weekend upgraded to a 433ah board and the three cards (2 XR2's and 1 SR1 as you know you can't put three XR2's in a 433 cause they made the slots too close together), no change, now the board wouldn't drop the connections it just increased latency dramatically after a few minutes, then resume low pings (average at this tower is 4ms) for about 50 cycles then get worse until about 4000 then time outs. Today after manually entering the 120 people on the new board (four hours since you can't cut/paste to a Microtik) the ethernet port dropped. I should point out I'm on my third trip up my steepest mountain where my jeep struggles to get up it. Power cycle and it's up (yes I'm well aware of remote reboot systems but its never been a problem so it was low priority). Tonight my after hours is slammed with "my Internet is so slow" calls from that tower and sure enough 4000ms pings. I've spent all weekend on it and I don't know what else to do, any ideas out there? I know these radio's pretty well so I've tried the simple stuff (adjust power, change frequencies, blah blah) HELP! Not a pretty weekend, Forbes forbes.me...@wabroadband.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik
If this was one of your remote sites and you suspected virus activity, would you put a sniffer on the AP? How and with what would you analyze the problem? What's the best way to be alert to such happenings? At 08:26 AM 8/24/2009, you wrote: Sounds like you have one or more infected customers that are flooding the AP. Also, 120 customers is not acceptable for a Mikrotik AP. We keep our MT AP's under 50 people (and try to stay around 30). WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik
For the 4xx boards I use 18v and 24v power supplies. No problems on either of them. On 8/24/09, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: Forbes, I had this same issue with 411a. I was running 3- 411a boards with 12v they worked great for about a week then all the sudden the clients started all dropping off and back on. Then it started locking up ever night I got to the point that I made it part of my early morning coffee to drive the 15 miles and reboot every day. After 2 weeks of messing we realized that the units were struggling for power. We went to a 24V POE and that same tower has now been up with 40 clients for 165 days. The XR series really tasks the boards. That is what fixed it for me. I think those XR boards really eat the power. Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WINhttp://www.pcswin.com/ RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Servicehttp://www.rcwifi.com/ Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Forbes Mercy Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 2:08 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik I had a whole lot planned for this weekend, instead I spent 15 hours of it working on an AP that won't behave. It's the third long fix period I've had to do for Microtik this weekend, while I do have 20 AP's and backhauls under that brand, none work easily, and the frustrations are plentiful. SO Last week we upgraded a prizim chip to an XR2 on a three radio card 133c. We started to have problems with the new card randomly dropping then after disable/enable would come back up. As the week went on it happened more frequently. First solution, change out the new card, no difference. The next was a new power supply. Figured that was it since the 133 was running on a 12v, we upgraded to an 18iv, no change. So this weekend upgraded to a 433ah board and the three cards (2 XR2's and 1 SR1 as you know you can't put three XR2's in a 433 cause they made the slots too close together), no change, now the board wouldn't drop the connections it just increased latency dramatically after a few minutes, then resume low pings (average at this tower is 4ms) for about 50 cycles then get worse until about 4000 then time outs. Today after manually entering the 120 people on the new board (four hours since you can't cut/paste to a Microtik) the ethernet port dropped. I should point out I'm on my third trip up my steepest mountain where my jeep struggles to get up it. Power cycle and it's up (yes I'm well aware of remote reboot systems but its never been a problem so it was low priority). Tonight my after hours is slammed with my Internet is so slow calls from that tower and sure enough 4000ms pings. I've spent all weekend on it and I don't know what else to do, any ideas out there? I know these radio's pretty well so I've tried the simple stuff (adjust power, change frequencies, blah blah) HELP! Not a pretty weekend, Forbes forbes.me...@wabroadband.commailto:forbes.me...@wabroadband.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik
Mikrotik has sniffer (and many other) tools to allow you to do this easily. Whether its on the AP or not depends on your network layout - I myself would do it on the router for that tower that has more HP but you may not have that option. I recommend testing in lab locally and figuring it all out though before doing on remote tower... Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Mike m...@aweiowa.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 9:47 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik If this was one of your remote sites and you suspected virus activity, would you put a sniffer on the AP? How and with what would you analyze the problem? What's the best way to be alert to such happenings? At 08:26 AM 8/24/2009, you wrote: Sounds like you have one or more infected customers that are flooding the AP. Also, 120 customers is not acceptable for a Mikrotik AP. We keep our MT AP's under 50 people (and try to stay around 30). WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik
This is reality with the XR's. When I went to a 600a using a daughterboard for an AP, I mentioned I was using XR cards when I was talking to Mikrotik and they told me that the board would not be able to power all the ports if they were populated with XR cards. They draw too much power. I'm using a 48v on that one with 6 cards and I would guess the same type of issue would be with the 433AH and 411a. We use 19v on our 411s. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 9:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik Forbes, I had this same issue with 411a. I was running 3- 411a boards with 12v they worked great for about a week then all the sudden the clients started all dropping off and back on. Then it started locking up ever night I got to the point that I made it part of my early morning coffee to drive the 15 miles and reboot every day. After 2 weeks of messing we realized that the units were struggling for power. We went to a 24V POE and that same tower has now been up with 40 clients for 165 days. The XR series really tasks the boards. That is what fixed it for me. I think those XR boards really eat the power. Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WINhttp://www.pcswin.com/ RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Servicehttp://www.rcwifi.com/ Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Forbes Mercy Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 2:08 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik I had a whole lot planned for this weekend, instead I spent 15 hours of it working on an AP that won't behave. It's the third long fix period I've had to do for Microtik this weekend, while I do have 20 AP's and backhauls under that brand, none work easily, and the frustrations are plentiful. SO Last week we upgraded a prizim chip to an XR2 on a three radio card 133c. We started to have problems with the new card randomly dropping then after disable/enable would come back up. As the week went on it happened more frequently. First solution, change out the new card, no difference. The next was a new power supply. Figured that was it since the 133 was running on a 12v, we upgraded to an 18iv, no change. So this weekend upgraded to a 433ah board and the three cards (2 XR2's and 1 SR1 as you know you can't put three XR2's in a 433 cause they made the slots too close together), no change, now the board wouldn't drop the connections it just increased latency dramatically after a few minutes, then resume low pings (average at this tower is 4ms) for about 50 cycles then get worse until about 4000 then time outs. Today after manually entering the 120 people on the new board (four hours since you can't cut/paste to a Microtik) the ethernet port dropped. I should point out I'm on my third trip up my steepest mountain where my jeep struggles to get up it. Power cycle and it's up (yes I'm well aware of remote reboot systems but its never been a problem so it was low priority). Tonight my after hours is slammed with my Internet is so slow calls from that tower and sure enough 4000ms pings. I've spent all weekend on it and I don't know what else to do, any ideas out there? I know these radio's pretty well so I've tried the simple stuff (adjust power, change frequencies, blah blah) HELP! Not a pretty weekend, Forbes forbes.me...@wabroadband.commailto:forbes.me...@wabroadband.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik
Probably power issue with that many cards. We have a Solar site running a CM-9 in one slot and XR-2 in another running 12v of course with no problems. :) Hopefully it stays that way. -Cameron -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 10:17 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik This is reality with the XR's. When I went to a 600a using a daughterboard for an AP, I mentioned I was using XR cards when I was talking to Mikrotik and they told me that the board would not be able to power all the ports if they were populated with XR cards. They draw too much power. I'm using a 48v on that one with 6 cards and I would guess the same type of issue would be with the 433AH and 411a. We use 19v on our 411s. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 9:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik Forbes, I had this same issue with 411a. I was running 3- 411a boards with 12v they worked great for about a week then all the sudden the clients started all dropping off and back on. Then it started locking up ever night I got to the point that I made it part of my early morning coffee to drive the 15 miles and reboot every day. After 2 weeks of messing we realized that the units were struggling for power. We went to a 24V POE and that same tower has now been up with 40 clients for 165 days. The XR series really tasks the boards. That is what fixed it for me. I think those XR boards really eat the power. Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WINhttp://www.pcswin.com/ RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Servicehttp://www.rcwifi.com/ Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Forbes Mercy Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 2:08 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik I had a whole lot planned for this weekend, instead I spent 15 hours of it working on an AP that won't behave. It's the third long fix period I've had to do for Microtik this weekend, while I do have 20 AP's and backhauls under that brand, none work easily, and the frustrations are plentiful. SO Last week we upgraded a prizim chip to an XR2 on a three radio card 133c. We started to have problems with the new card randomly dropping then after disable/enable would come back up. As the week went on it happened more frequently. First solution, change out the new card, no difference. The next was a new power supply. Figured that was it since the 133 was running on a 12v, we upgraded to an 18iv, no change. So this weekend upgraded to a 433ah board and the three cards (2 XR2's and 1 SR1 as you know you can't put three XR2's in a 433 cause they made the slots too close together), no change, now the board wouldn't drop the connections it just increased latency dramatically after a few minutes, then resume low pings (average at this tower is 4ms) for about 50 cycles then get worse until about 4000 then time outs. Today after manually entering the 120 people on the new board (four hours since you can't cut/paste to a Microtik) the ethernet port dropped. I should point out I'm on my third trip up my steepest mountain where my jeep struggles to get up it. Power cycle and it's up (yes I'm well aware of remote reboot systems but its never been a problem so it was low priority). Tonight my after hours is slammed with my Internet is so slow calls from that tower and sure enough 4000ms pings. I've spent all weekend on it and I don't know what else to do, any ideas out there? I know these radio's pretty well so I've tried the simple stuff (adjust power, change frequencies, blah blah) HELP! Not a pretty weekend, Forbes forbes.me...@wabroadband.commailto:forbes.me...@wabroadband.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA
Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik
Oh, with a 433AH. -Cameron -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Cameron Kilton Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 10:36 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik Probably power issue with that many cards. We have a Solar site running a CM-9 in one slot and XR-2 in another running 12v of course with no problems. :) Hopefully it stays that way. -Cameron -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 10:17 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik This is reality with the XR's. When I went to a 600a using a daughterboard for an AP, I mentioned I was using XR cards when I was talking to Mikrotik and they told me that the board would not be able to power all the ports if they were populated with XR cards. They draw too much power. I'm using a 48v on that one with 6 cards and I would guess the same type of issue would be with the 433AH and 411a. We use 19v on our 411s. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 9:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik Forbes, I had this same issue with 411a. I was running 3- 411a boards with 12v they worked great for about a week then all the sudden the clients started all dropping off and back on. Then it started locking up ever night I got to the point that I made it part of my early morning coffee to drive the 15 miles and reboot every day. After 2 weeks of messing we realized that the units were struggling for power. We went to a 24V POE and that same tower has now been up with 40 clients for 165 days. The XR series really tasks the boards. That is what fixed it for me. I think those XR boards really eat the power. Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WINhttp://www.pcswin.com/ RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Servicehttp://www.rcwifi.com/ Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Forbes Mercy Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 2:08 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik I had a whole lot planned for this weekend, instead I spent 15 hours of it working on an AP that won't behave. It's the third long fix period I've had to do for Microtik this weekend, while I do have 20 AP's and backhauls under that brand, none work easily, and the frustrations are plentiful. SO Last week we upgraded a prizim chip to an XR2 on a three radio card 133c. We started to have problems with the new card randomly dropping then after disable/enable would come back up. As the week went on it happened more frequently. First solution, change out the new card, no difference. The next was a new power supply. Figured that was it since the 133 was running on a 12v, we upgraded to an 18iv, no change. So this weekend upgraded to a 433ah board and the three cards (2 XR2's and 1 SR1 as you know you can't put three XR2's in a 433 cause they made the slots too close together), no change, now the board wouldn't drop the connections it just increased latency dramatically after a few minutes, then resume low pings (average at this tower is 4ms) for about 50 cycles then get worse until about 4000 then time outs. Today after manually entering the 120 people on the new board (four hours since you can't cut/paste to a Microtik) the ethernet port dropped. I should point out I'm on my third trip up my steepest mountain where my jeep struggles to get up it. Power cycle and it's up (yes I'm well aware of remote reboot systems but its never been a problem so it was low priority). Tonight my after hours is slammed with my Internet is so slow calls from that tower and sure enough 4000ms pings. I've spent all weekend on it and I don't know what else to do, any ideas out there? I know these radio's pretty well so I've tried the simple stuff (adjust power, change frequencies, blah blah) HELP! Not a pretty weekend, Forbes forbes.me...@wabroadband.commailto:forbes.me...@wabroadband.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik
1st lesson; don't try new things (untested hardware combinations) with remote locations. Don't do upgrades on Friday either, as you might not have the staff or time to deal with problem potential from surprises over the weekend. This isn't MT specific advice. You could try running it on two RBs instead of one incase there is power or interference from the card's proximity. I mostly use telnet/ssh to configure the MTs and I can surely copy and paste in that. We also keep a database of MTs and use a cron script that goes in and exports each MT once a week and deposits it's configuration to a central location. Then we have backups of all our MT configs that we can reference for copypaste/upgrades/reprogramming. On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 11:07:33PM -0700, Forbes Mercy wrote: I had a whole lot planned for this weekend, instead I spent 15 hours of it working on an AP that won't behave. It's the third long fix period I've had to do for Microtik this weekend, while I do have 20 AP's and backhauls under that brand, none work easily, and the frustrations are plentiful. SO Last week we upgraded a prizim chip to an XR2 on a three radio card 133c. We started to have problems with the new card randomly dropping then after disable/enable would come back up. As the week went on it happened more frequently. First solution, change out the new card, no difference. The next was a new power supply. Figured that was it since the 133 was running on a 12v, we upgraded to an 18iv, no change. So this weekend upgraded to a 433ah board and the three cards (2 XR2's and 1 SR1 as you know you can't put three XR2's in a 433 cause they made the slots too close together), no change, now the board wouldn't drop the connections it just increased latency dramatically after a few minutes, then resume low pings (average at this tower is 4ms) for about 50 cycles then get worse until about 4000 then time outs. Today after manually entering the 120 people on the new board (four hours since you can't cut/paste to a Microtik) the ethernet port dropped. I should point out I'm on my third trip up my steepest mountain where my jeep struggles to get up it. Power cycle and it's up (yes I'm well aware of remote reboot systems but its never been a problem so it was low priority). Tonight my after hours is slammed with my Internet is so slow calls from that tower and sure enough 4000ms pings. I've spent all weekend on it and I don't know what else to do, any ideas out there? I know these radio's pretty well so I've tried the simple stuff (adjust power, change frequencies, blah blah) HELP! Not a pretty weekend, Forbes forbes.me...@wabroadband.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik
Only way to go. Not only does it decrease the load on each board, but it also prevents RF issues with high power radios in a single box. All of our towers have individual 411Ahs on individual sectors with individual radio cards. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 10:23 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik 2nd Idea. What is the possibility if splitting the sectors out to individual RB411AH boards? Less of a single point of failure for the whole tower. Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WINhttp://www.pcswin.com/ RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Servicehttp://www.rcwifi.com/ Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Forbes Mercy Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 2:08 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik I had a whole lot planned for this weekend, instead I spent 15 hours of it working on an AP that won't behave. It's the third long fix period I've had to do for Microtik this weekend, while I do have 20 AP's and backhauls under that brand, none work easily, and the frustrations are plentiful. SO Last week we upgraded a prizim chip to an XR2 on a three radio card 133c. We started to have problems with the new card randomly dropping then after disable/enable would come back up. As the week went on it happened more frequently. First solution, change out the new card, no difference. The next was a new power supply. Figured that was it since the 133 was running on a 12v, we upgraded to an 18iv, no change. So this weekend upgraded to a 433ah board and the three cards (2 XR2's and 1 SR1 as you know you can't put three XR2's in a 433 cause they made the slots too close together), no change, now the board wouldn't drop the connections it just increased latency dramatically after a few minutes, then resume low pings (average at this tower is 4ms) for about 50 cycles then get worse until about 4000 then time outs. Today after manually entering the 120 people on the new board (four hours since you can't cut/paste to a Microtik) the ethernet port dropped. I should point out I'm on my third trip up my steepest mountain where my jeep struggles to get up it. Power cycle and it's up (yes I'm well aware of remote reboot systems but its never been a problem so it was low priority). Tonight my after hours is slammed with my Internet is so slow calls from that tower and sure enough 4000ms pings. I've spent all weekend on it and I don't know what else to do, any ideas out there? I know these radio's pretty well so I've tried the simple stuff (adjust power, change frequencies, blah blah) HELP! Not a pretty weekend, Forbes forbes.me...@wabroadband.commailto:forbes.me...@wabroadband.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik
This is true with a lot of the RouterBoards that you do not have enough onboard power source capability to run generally more than two high powered cards. For example the 400's can only handle about 10watt of external cards that means the third XR card will kill the system. One thing to keep in mind that the none AH boards in the 400 series is not ideal for heavy AP usage. They are more of a CPE board or light duty AP. You want heavy duty AP then need to look at AH boards only or the RB600 or RB333. In either way also keep in mind that using ANY high powered card might not only overload the onboard power system of the RouterBoard but since the card are so close by and inside the same case you will more than likely run into self interference issues from the radio chain inside the card even when the cards are not set to transmit on the same frequency. In our experience using low powered cards in the same unit generally is not a issue and works fine but once you try to put more than 2 high powered card on the same board (even the RB600) self interference quickly becomes an issue. Separate the radio cards out between different units. Just because you can run multiple radios in the same unit doesn't mean that is always a good idea. In some cases we have managed to get self interfering system work fine by using a alu foil shield between the radios (regular household alu foil put inside a sheet protector slid in between the cards to create compartments inside the case have been able to stabilize the system to a point of good operation. Most of the case of course after this been done it was decided to separate the cards out to separate units to optimize and not have to worry about any future service issues. So to sum things up. Don't run more than 2 high powered card on the same board. Use maximum separation between the cards if you decide to use 2 high powered cards. Avoid using 2 high powered cards in the same frequency band on the same board. It's GOOD in my opinion that you cannot fit more than 2 high powered cards (at least of most models) in the 433/333 boards because else more people would do this with BAD results. Just because your trailer got a tow hook don't mean your truck is powerful enough to pull two fully loaded trailer... BTW guys. MikroTik is spelled with 2 K's.. No C in there... On the same coin Ubiquiti is spelled with 3 I's an NO Y. When you use the products you would think you learned how to spell their names ;) / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 9:17 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik This is reality with the XR's. When I went to a 600a using a daughterboard for an AP, I mentioned I was using XR cards when I was talking to Mikrotik and they told me that the board would not be able to power all the ports if they were populated with XR cards. They draw too much power. I'm using a 48v on that one with 6 cards and I would guess the same type of issue would be with the 433AH and 411a. We use 19v on our 411s. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 9:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik Forbes, I had this same issue with 411a. I was running 3- 411a boards with 12v they worked great for about a week then all the sudden the clients started all dropping off and back on. Then it started locking up ever night I got to the point that I made it part of my early morning coffee to drive the 15 miles and reboot every day. After 2 weeks of messing we realized that the units were struggling for power. We went to a 24V POE and that same tower has now been up with 40 clients for 165 days. The XR series really tasks the boards. That is what fixed it for me. I think those XR boards really eat the power. Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WINhttp://www.pcswin.com/ RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Servicehttp://www.rcwifi.com/ Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Forbes Mercy Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 2:08 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik I had a whole lot planned for this weekend, instead I spent 15 hours of it working on an AP that won't behave. It's the third long fix period I've had to do for Microtik this weekend, while I do have 20 AP's and backhauls under that brand, none work easily, and the frustrations are plentiful. SO Last week we upgraded a prizim chip to an XR2 on a three radio card 133c. We started to have problems with the new card randomly dropping then after disable/enable would come back up
Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik
2nd Idea. What is the possibility if splitting the sectors out to individual RB411AH boards? Less of a single point of failure for the whole tower. Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WINhttp://www.pcswin.com/ RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Servicehttp://www.rcwifi.com/ Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Forbes Mercy Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 2:08 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik I had a whole lot planned for this weekend, instead I spent 15 hours of it working on an AP that won't behave. It's the third long fix period I've had to do for Microtik this weekend, while I do have 20 AP's and backhauls under that brand, none work easily, and the frustrations are plentiful. SO Last week we upgraded a prizim chip to an XR2 on a three radio card 133c. We started to have problems with the new card randomly dropping then after disable/enable would come back up. As the week went on it happened more frequently. First solution, change out the new card, no difference. The next was a new power supply. Figured that was it since the 133 was running on a 12v, we upgraded to an 18iv, no change. So this weekend upgraded to a 433ah board and the three cards (2 XR2's and 1 SR1 as you know you can't put three XR2's in a 433 cause they made the slots too close together), no change, now the board wouldn't drop the connections it just increased latency dramatically after a few minutes, then resume low pings (average at this tower is 4ms) for about 50 cycles then get worse until about 4000 then time outs. Today after manually entering the 120 people on the new board (four hours since you can't cut/paste to a Microtik) the ethernet port dropped. I should point out I'm on my third trip up my steepest mountain where my jeep struggles to get up it. Power cycle and it's up (yes I'm well aware of remote reboot systems but its never been a problem so it was low priority). Tonight my after hours is slammed with my Internet is so slow calls from that tower and sure enough 4000ms pings. I've spent all weekend on it and I don't know what else to do, any ideas out there? I know these radio's pretty well so I've tried the simple stuff (adjust power, change frequencies, blah blah) HELP! Not a pretty weekend, Forbes forbes.me...@wabroadband.commailto:forbes.me...@wabroadband.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik
If you use a high power POE, http://www.quicklinkwireless.com/ItemDesc.asp?IC=TR60A-POE-L that will alleviate your problem. We have a 600A with 3 XR2's and 2 XR5's, been in service a very long time (more than a year) without issue. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 10:17 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik This is reality with the XR's. When I went to a 600a using a daughterboard for an AP, I mentioned I was using XR cards when I was talking to Mikrotik and they told me that the board would not be able to power all the ports if they were populated with XR cards. They draw too much power. I'm using a 48v on that one with 6 cards and I would guess the same type of issue would be with the 433AH and 411a. We use 19v on our 411s. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 9:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik Forbes, I had this same issue with 411a. I was running 3- 411a boards with 12v they worked great for about a week then all the sudden the clients started all dropping off and back on. Then it started locking up ever night I got to the point that I made it part of my early morning coffee to drive the 15 miles and reboot every day. After 2 weeks of messing we realized that the units were struggling for power. We went to a 24V POE and that same tower has now been up with 40 clients for 165 days. The XR series really tasks the boards. That is what fixed it for me. I think those XR boards really eat the power. Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WINhttp://www.pcswin.com/ RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Servicehttp://www.rcwifi.com/ Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Forbes Mercy Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 2:08 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik I had a whole lot planned for this weekend, instead I spent 15 hours of it working on an AP that won't behave. It's the third long fix period I've had to do for Microtik this weekend, while I do have 20 AP's and backhauls under that brand, none work easily, and the frustrations are plentiful. SO Last week we upgraded a prizim chip to an XR2 on a three radio card 133c. We started to have problems with the new card randomly dropping then after disable/enable would come back up. As the week went on it happened more frequently. First solution, change out the new card, no difference. The next was a new power supply. Figured that was it since the 133 was running on a 12v, we upgraded to an 18iv, no change. So this weekend upgraded to a 433ah board and the three cards (2 XR2's and 1 SR1 as you know you can't put three XR2's in a 433 cause they made the slots too close together), no change, now the board wouldn't drop the connections it just increased latency dramatically after a few minutes, then resume low pings (average at this tower is 4ms) for about 50 cycles then get worse until about 4000 then time outs. Today after manually entering the 120 people on the new board (four hours since you can't cut/paste to a Microtik) the ethernet port dropped. I should point out I'm on my third trip up my steepest mountain where my jeep struggles to get up it. Power cycle and it's up (yes I'm well aware of remote reboot systems but its never been a problem so it was low priority). Tonight my after hours is slammed with my Internet is so slow calls from that tower and sure enough 4000ms pings. I've spent all weekend on it and I don't know what else to do, any ideas out there? I know these radio's pretty well so I've tried the simple stuff (adjust power, change frequencies, blah blah) HELP! Not a pretty weekend, Forbes forbes.me...@wabroadband.commailto:forbes.me...@wabroadband.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http
Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik
I have my MTs email a company Gmail account every week - full binary and text backup. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 10:42 AM, jp j...@saucer.midcoast.com wrote: 1st lesson; don't try new things (untested hardware combinations) with remote locations. Don't do upgrades on Friday either, as you might not have the staff or time to deal with problem potential from surprises over the weekend. This isn't MT specific advice. You could try running it on two RBs instead of one incase there is power or interference from the card's proximity. I mostly use telnet/ssh to configure the MTs and I can surely copy and paste in that. We also keep a database of MTs and use a cron script that goes in and exports each MT once a week and deposits it's configuration to a central location. Then we have backups of all our MT configs that we can reference for copypaste/upgrades/reprogramming. On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 11:07:33PM -0700, Forbes Mercy wrote: I had a whole lot planned for this weekend, instead I spent 15 hours of it working on an AP that won't behave. It's the third long fix period I've had to do for Microtik this weekend, while I do have 20 AP's and backhauls under that brand, none work easily, and the frustrations are plentiful. SO Last week we upgraded a prizim chip to an XR2 on a three radio card 133c. We started to have problems with the new card randomly dropping then after disable/enable would come back up. As the week went on it happened more frequently. First solution, change out the new card, no difference. The next was a new power supply. Figured that was it since the 133 was running on a 12v, we upgraded to an 18iv, no change. So this weekend upgraded to a 433ah board and the three cards (2 XR2's and 1 SR1 as you know you can't put three XR2's in a 433 cause they made the slots too close together), no change, now the board wouldn't drop the connections it just increased latency dramatically after a few minutes, then resume low pings (average at this tower is 4ms) for about 50 cycles then get worse until about 4000 then time outs. Today after manually entering the 120 people on the new board (four hours since you can't cut/paste to a Microtik) the ethernet port dropped. I should point out I'm on my third trip up my steepest mountain where my jeep struggles to get up it. Power cycle and it's up (yes I'm well aware of remote reboot systems but its never been a problem so it was low priority). Tonight my after hours is slammed with my Internet is so slow calls from that tower and sure enough 4000ms pings. I've spent all weekend on it and I don't know what else to do, any ideas out there? I know these radio's pretty well so I've tried the simple stuff (adjust power, change frequencies, blah blah) HELP! Not a pretty weekend, Forbes forbes.me...@wabroadband.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik
This goes back to the earlier discussion (different thread) about how many employees can support how many customers. Investing in programmers that can build good backend systems and work with things like vendor API's (mikrotik's is great!), snmp, etc. will save money over time. When things get out of hand like in this case, the wisps who have invested in RD stomp those who hit these walls. We learned long ago not to even try rolling out a new service like this until the backend management is in place. Just plain not worth it. Learned that in 1994 adding/removing/suspending/unsuspending sendmail/popper/shell/radius accounts by hand to a FreeBSD mail server. Gets to be no fun in a hurry when you have to play fireman full time. Randy Steve Barnes wrote: 2nd Idea. What is the possibility if splitting the sectors out to individual RB411AH boards? Less of a single point of failure for the whole tower. Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WINhttp://www.pcswin.com/ RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Servicehttp://www.rcwifi.com/ Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Forbes Mercy Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 2:08 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik I had a whole lot planned for this weekend, instead I spent 15 hours of it working on an AP that won't behave. It's the third long fix period I've had to do for Microtik this weekend, while I do have 20 AP's and backhauls under that brand, none work easily, and the frustrations are plentiful. SO Last week we upgraded a prizim chip to an XR2 on a three radio card 133c. We started to have problems with the new card randomly dropping then after disable/enable would come back up. As the week went on it happened more frequently. First solution, change out the new card, no difference. The next was a new power supply. Figured that was it since the 133 was running on a 12v, we upgraded to an 18iv, no change. So this weekend upgraded to a 433ah board and the three cards (2 XR2's and 1 SR1 as you know you can't put three XR2's in a 433 cause they made the slots too close together), no change, now the board wouldn't drop the connections it just increased latency dramatically after a few minutes, then resume low pings (average at this tower is 4ms) for about 50 cycles then get worse until about 4000 then time outs. Today after manually entering the 120 people on the new board (four hours since you can't cut/paste to a Microtik) the ethernet port dropped. I should point out I'm on my third trip up my steepest mountain where my jeep struggles to get up it. Power cycle and it's up (yes I'm well aware of remote reboot systems but its never been a problem so it was low priority). Tonight my after hours is slammed with my Internet is so slow calls from that tower and sure enough 4000ms pings. I've spent all weekend on it and I don't know what else to do, any ideas out there? I know these radio's pretty well so I've tried the simple stuff (adjust power, change frequencies, blah blah) HELP! Not a pretty weekend, Forbes forbes.me...@wabroadband.commailto:forbes.me...@wabroadband.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc work: 435-773-6071 email: rco...@infowest.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/randycosby WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik
Wow what an amazing series of responses! As frustrating and how ever much gray hair I achieved this weekend is now minimized by how much help I got on this issue, thank you so much, anytime I need validation as to why this is a great organization, this is the answer right here. OK the quick and dirty: I now realize from your responses that maybe I can get away with three cards on one board but not splitting 120 customers, too much load to go with too much RF, too much power demand, in other words too many places to fail. I'll pull off one sector XR2 and leave one SR2 and one XR2. I hope I can put both in the same box without the RF issue if I separate them enough (those 10X10 boxes). I'm waiting for the new AirMax line before I split out one more sector for this busy tower. I've never heard of the export, especially the auto-export of the configuration. I want to get to know this because I can't think of the countless hours I've wasted this summer re-entering MAC/customer info as we've updated almost our entire network to XR2 chips this year. I also upgraded nearly every tower to 18v POE's and am about to try a 12v to 18v boost for my solar site, it makes me a little worried about power demands but much like most of our industry I'll try it, test it, and hope it works. As for the other suggestions I have tested for traffic, put in the typical firewalls for udp and esp floods, site checked for interference and made sure my antennas were properly spaced. It worked great until I put in the XR2's on the same radios which is why I upgraded the board when the 133 couldn't keep up, I assumed the 433ah would, guess I was wrong. Again I appreciate all the help you gave me, I needed this fresh persepective after a weekend of getting so frustrated I probably wouldn't have seen the most obvious thing. Thanks, Forbes Mercy Washington Broadband, Inc. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org on behalf of Dennis Burgess Sent: Mon 8/24/2009 8:21 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik Only way to go. Not only does it decrease the load on each board, but it also prevents RF issues with high power radios in a single box. All of our towers have individual 411Ahs on individual sectors with individual radio cards. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 10:23 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik 2nd Idea. What is the possibility if splitting the sectors out to individual RB411AH boards? Less of a single point of failure for the whole tower. Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WINhttp://www.pcswin.com/ RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Servicehttp://www.rcwifi.com/ Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Forbes Mercy Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 2:08 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik I had a whole lot planned for this weekend, instead I spent 15 hours of it working on an AP that won't behave. It's the third long fix period I've had to do for Microtik this weekend, while I do have 20 AP's and backhauls under that brand, none work easily, and the frustrations are plentiful. SO Last week we upgraded a prizim chip to an XR2 on a three radio card 133c. We started to have problems with the new card randomly dropping then after disable/enable would come back up. As the week went on it happened more frequently. First solution, change out the new card, no difference. The next was a new power supply. Figured that was it since the 133 was running on a 12v, we upgraded to an 18iv, no change. So this weekend upgraded to a 433ah board and the three cards (2 XR2's and 1 SR1 as you know you can't put three XR2's in a 433 cause they made the slots too close
Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik
493AH or switch, depending on how old it is. All the PoEs have to come back to a central point anyways. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 12:25 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik Dennis, How are you putting those together into the backhaul? Are you plugging them into a switch? Sounds like the ideal way to go as far as isolating a failure. You using Os level 4 per 411 I would suspect.? Robert West Just micro Digital Services inc. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 11:22 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik Only way to go. Not only does it decrease the load on each board, but it also prevents RF issues with high power radios in a single box. All of our towers have individual 411Ahs on individual sectors with individual radio cards. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 10:23 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik 2nd Idea. What is the possibility if splitting the sectors out to individual RB411AH boards? Less of a single point of failure for the whole tower. Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WINhttp://www.pcswin.com/ RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Servicehttp://www.rcwifi.com/ Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Forbes Mercy Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 2:08 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik I had a whole lot planned for this weekend, instead I spent 15 hours of it working on an AP that won't behave. It's the third long fix period I've had to do for Microtik this weekend, while I do have 20 AP's and backhauls under that brand, none work easily, and the frustrations are plentiful. SO Last week we upgraded a prizim chip to an XR2 on a three radio card 133c. We started to have problems with the new card randomly dropping then after disable/enable would come back up. As the week went on it happened more frequently. First solution, change out the new card, no difference. The next was a new power supply. Figured that was it since the 133 was running on a 12v, we upgraded to an 18iv, no change. So this weekend upgraded to a 433ah board and the three cards (2 XR2's and 1 SR1 as you know you can't put three XR2's in a 433 cause they made the slots too close together), no change, now the board wouldn't drop the connections it just increased latency dramatically after a few minutes, then resume low pings (average at this tower is 4ms) for about 50 cycles then get worse until about 4000 then time outs. Today after manually entering the 120 people on the new board (four hours since you can't cut/paste to a Microtik) the ethernet port dropped. I should point
Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik
As the original post described some hell when it came to retyping in MACs (man that has to make you go insane...) I wanted to add this. I have my MTs sent an email every week - both text and binary. Binary is awesome when you have an identical set of hardware - drag, drop, reboot, done! Text is needed if you want to see parts of the config, move to a different hardware platform or pick and choose what gets loaded. Set the SMTP server, from email address and the to email addresses in each script / tool e-mail set server=X.X.X.X from=s...@this.com /system script add name=makebackup source=/export file=([/system identity get name] . \t\)\r\n/tool e-mail send file=([/system identity get name].\t\) to=\back...@setthis.com\ body=\\ subject=([/system identity get name] . \ Backup\)\n add name=makebinarybackup source=/system backup save name=([/system identity get name] . \b\)\r\n/tool e-mail send file=([/system identity get name].\b\) to=\back...@setthis.com\ body=\\ subject=([/system identity get name] . \ Backup\) / system scheduler add name=email-backup on-event=makebackup start-date=jan/01/2007 start-time=02:15:00 interval=7d comment=daily text backups disabled=no add name=email-binarybackup on-event=makebinarybackup start-date=jan/01/2007 start-time=02:20:00 interval=7d comment=daily binary backups disabled=no Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 2:04 PM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.netwrote: 493AH or switch, depending on how old it is. All the PoEs have to come back to a central point anyways. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 12:25 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik Dennis, How are you putting those together into the backhaul? Are you plugging them into a switch? Sounds like the ideal way to go as far as isolating a failure. You using Os level 4 per 411 I would suspect.? Robert West Just micro Digital Services inc. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 11:22 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik Only way to go. Not only does it decrease the load on each board, but it also prevents RF issues with high power radios in a single box. All of our towers have individual 411Ahs on individual sectors with individual radio cards. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 10:23 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik 2nd Idea. What is the possibility if splitting the sectors out to individual RB411AH boards? Less of a single point of failure for the whole tower. Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WINhttp://www.pcswin.com/ RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Servicehttp
Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik
This year I moved from 1 PC doing everything to 4x RB411AH and 1x 493 just so I can better troubleshoot problems, which haven't happened in the 90 or so days of uptime they've had since. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: jp j...@saucer.midcoast.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 9:42 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik 1st lesson; don't try new things (untested hardware combinations) with remote locations. Don't do upgrades on Friday either, as you might not have the staff or time to deal with problem potential from surprises over the weekend. This isn't MT specific advice. You could try running it on two RBs instead of one incase there is power or interference from the card's proximity. I mostly use telnet/ssh to configure the MTs and I can surely copy and paste in that. We also keep a database of MTs and use a cron script that goes in and exports each MT once a week and deposits it's configuration to a central location. Then we have backups of all our MT configs that we can reference for copypaste/upgrades/reprogramming. On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 11:07:33PM -0700, Forbes Mercy wrote: I had a whole lot planned for this weekend, instead I spent 15 hours of it working on an AP that won't behave. It's the third long fix period I've had to do for Microtik this weekend, while I do have 20 AP's and backhauls under that brand, none work easily, and the frustrations are plentiful. SO Last week we upgraded a prizim chip to an XR2 on a three radio card 133c. We started to have problems with the new card randomly dropping then after disable/enable would come back up. As the week went on it happened more frequently. First solution, change out the new card, no difference. The next was a new power supply. Figured that was it since the 133 was running on a 12v, we upgraded to an 18iv, no change. So this weekend upgraded to a 433ah board and the three cards (2 XR2's and 1 SR1 as you know you can't put three XR2's in a 433 cause they made the slots too close together), no change, now the board wouldn't drop the connections it just increased latency dramatically after a few minutes, then resume low pings (average at this tower is 4ms) for about 50 cycles then get worse until about 4000 then time outs. Today after manually entering the 120 people on the new board (four hours since you can't cut/paste to a Microtik) the ethernet port dropped. I should point out I'm on my third trip up my steepest mountain where my jeep struggles to get up it. Power cycle and it's up (yes I'm well aware of remote reboot systems but its never been a problem so it was low priority). Tonight my after hours is slammed with my Internet is so slow calls from that tower and sure enough 4000ms pings. I've spent all weekend on it and I don't know what else to do, any ideas out there? I know these radio's pretty well so I've tried the simple stuff (adjust power, change frequencies, blah blah) HELP! Not a pretty weekend, Forbes forbes.me...@wabroadband.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik
Do you use a transparent bridge between them and the 493? At first I was thinking that was a lot for the 411 but if used as just a pass-through to the switch, that would be a brilliant thing indeed I think. Anyone see any drawbacks to that? That would certainly isolate all the RF from the other cards, I think. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 2:05 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik 493AH or switch, depending on how old it is. All the PoEs have to come back to a central point anyways. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 12:25 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik Dennis, How are you putting those together into the backhaul? Are you plugging them into a switch? Sounds like the ideal way to go as far as isolating a failure. You using Os level 4 per 411 I would suspect.? Robert West Just micro Digital Services inc. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 11:22 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik Only way to go. Not only does it decrease the load on each board, but it also prevents RF issues with high power radios in a single box. All of our towers have individual 411Ahs on individual sectors with individual radio cards. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 10:23 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik 2nd Idea. What is the possibility if splitting the sectors out to individual RB411AH boards? Less of a single point of failure for the whole tower. Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WINhttp://www.pcswin.com/ RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Servicehttp://www.rcwifi.com/ Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Forbes Mercy Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 2:08 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik I had a whole lot planned for this weekend, instead I spent 15 hours of it working on an AP that won't behave. It's the third long fix period I've had to do for Microtik this weekend, while I do have 20 AP's and backhauls under that brand, none work easily, and the frustrations are plentiful. SO Last week we upgraded a prizim chip to an XR2 on a three radio card 133c. We started to have problems with the new card randomly dropping then after disable/enable would come back up. As the week went on it happened more frequently. First solution, change out the new card, no difference. The next was a new power supply. Figured that was it since the 133 was running on a 12v, we upgraded to an 18iv, no change. So this weekend upgraded
Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik
I do the exact same thing and it has been flawless. I use eoip tunnels from the wireless to the 493 to better separate radios. No perfomance issues at all. Bill Gaylord Robert West wrote: Do you use a transparent bridge between them and the 493? At first I was thinking that was a lot for the 411 but if used as just a pass-through to the switch, that would be a brilliant thing indeed I think. Anyone see any drawbacks to that? That would certainly isolate all the RF from the other cards, I think. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 2:05 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik 493AH or switch, depending on how old it is. All the PoEs have to come back to a central point anyways. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 12:25 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik Dennis, How are you putting those together into the backhaul? Are you plugging them into a switch? Sounds like the ideal way to go as far as isolating a failure. You using Os level 4 per 411 I would suspect.? Robert West Just micro Digital Services inc. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 11:22 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik Only way to go. Not only does it decrease the load on each board, but it also prevents RF issues with high power radios in a single box. All of our towers have individual 411Ahs on individual sectors with individual radio cards. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 10:23 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik 2nd Idea. What is the possibility if splitting the sectors out to individual RB411AH boards? Less of a single point of failure for the whole tower. Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WINhttp://www.pcswin.com/ RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Servicehttp://www.rcwifi.com/ Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Forbes Mercy Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 2:08 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik I had a whole lot planned for this weekend, instead I spent 15 hours of it working on an AP that won't behave. It's the third long fix period I've had to do for Microtik this weekend, while I do have 20 AP's and backhauls under that brand, none work easily, and the frustrations are plentiful. SO Last week we upgraded a prizim chip to an XR2 on a three radio card 133c. We started to have problems with the new card randomly dropping then after
Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik
Why would you use eoip tunnels from the radio to the router when you are plugging them into the 493 anyway? That seems to reverse what you are trying to accomplish simplicity and performance wise... Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Bill Gaylord bi...@torchlake.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 7:09 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik I do the exact same thing and it has been flawless. I use eoip tunnels from the wireless to the 493 to better separate radios. No perfomance issues at all. Bill Gaylord Robert West wrote: Do you use a transparent bridge between them and the 493? At first I was thinking that was a lot for the 411 but if used as just a pass-through to the switch, that would be a brilliant thing indeed I think. Anyone see any drawbacks to that? That would certainly isolate all the RF from the other cards, I think. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 2:05 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik 493AH or switch, depending on how old it is. All the PoEs have to come back to a central point anyways. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 12:25 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik Dennis, How are you putting those together into the backhaul? Are you plugging them into a switch? Sounds like the ideal way to go as far as isolating a failure. You using Os level 4 per 411 I would suspect.? Robert West Just micro Digital Services inc. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 11:22 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik Only way to go. Not only does it decrease the load on each board, but it also prevents RF issues with high power radios in a single box. All of our towers have individual 411Ahs on individual sectors with individual radio cards. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 10:23 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik 2nd Idea. What is the possibility if splitting the sectors out to individual RB411AH boards? Less of a single point of failure for the whole tower. Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WINhttp://www.pcswin.com/ RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Servicehttp://www.rcwifi.com/ Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun
Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik
Mostly because many of my sites begin as a 433 on the tower with 2 radios and nothing on the ground. As the site grows, I move the routing functions to the ground into something with more power. Sometimes a PC based MT, other times a 433AH. I then will use 2 tunnels to separate the two radio cards at the top. It has just helped us grow sites easier. Eoip tunnels use very little processor. Others sites started with a 433AH on the bottom and had a switch for more ports. The tunnels allows me to easily separate customers on different APs or different Virtual APs, even when there is just one Ethernet cable running down the tower. Bill Gaylord Scott Carullo wrote: Why would you use eoip tunnels from the radio to the router when you are plugging them into the 493 anyway? That seems to reverse what you are trying to accomplish simplicity and performance wise... Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Bill Gaylord bi...@torchlake.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 7:09 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik I do the exact same thing and it has been flawless. I use eoip tunnels from the wireless to the 493 to better separate radios. No perfomance issues at all. Bill Gaylord Robert West wrote: Do you use a transparent bridge between them and the 493? At first I was thinking that was a lot for the 411 but if used as just a pass-through to the switch, that would be a brilliant thing indeed I think. Anyone see any drawbacks to that? That would certainly isolate all the RF from the other cards, I think. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 2:05 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik 493AH or switch, depending on how old it is. All the PoEs have to come back to a central point anyways. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 12:25 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik Dennis, How are you putting those together into the backhaul? Are you plugging them into a switch? Sounds like the ideal way to go as far as isolating a failure. You using Os level 4 per 411 I would suspect.? Robert West Just micro Digital Services inc. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 11:22 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik Only way to go. Not only does it decrease the load on each board, but it also prevents RF issues with high power radios in a single box. All of our towers have individual 411Ahs on individual sectors with individual radio cards. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you
