Re: [WISPA] Recommendations for equipment to create 15 mile 20 Mbit PtPlink?
Mikrotik with xr5's and a rb433ah or rb600 board. Feel free to give us a call on monday and we can get you price and list of all items you would need to make this happen. /Eje CTO WISP-Router, Inc Toll free sales : 866-947-7787 --Original Message-- From: Cooper Marcus Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List ReplyTo: WISPA General List Sent: Oct 17, 2008 21:42 Subject: [WISPA] Recommendations for equipment to create 15 mile 20 Mbit PtPlink? What unlicensed gear would you suggest to create a 15 mile PtP link, mostly over water (with clear LOS) that'll run at ~20 Mbits through most weather? Very high reliability is not required, and minimum cost is preferred. If there are any vendors on the list that would be able to quote such a system, please contact me off-list. Also, if there are any installers that could install the gear in Northern California, please contact me off-list. Thanks, Cooper WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] PacWireless vs Hyperlink
We have gotten a lot of great feedback on the performance on the Pac dual feed dish. A few complaints on the assemblies on it, it can be a little tricky. /Eje --Original Message-- From: Mario Pommier Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List ReplyTo: WISPA General List Sent: Oct 20, 2008 09:47 Subject: [WISPA] PacWireless vs Hyperlink If anyone has used these antennas (5Ghz dual polarity), how do they compare in performance and hardware durability? HyperLink's Hypergain -- HG5158DP-29D PacWireless's -- HDDA5W-29-DP Thanks. Mario WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [Tranzeo] New Update - Tranzeo/Mtik disconnect issueOct 10th, 2008
In their reference manual as well on the web interface and in the toc doc in win box. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: D. Ryan Spott [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 10:26:29 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Tranzeo] New Update - Tranzeo/Mtik disconnect issue Oct 10th, 2008 Have you noticed Mtik's listing for this information anywhere? I cannot find it anywhere I agree with you on this subject. Perhaps it is just a mis-understanding. I'll ask about it offline. ryan Bob Knight wrote: If I were in John's shoes, I'd feel the same way. Personally, I'd have more respect for Tranzeo if they complied with the GPL and BSD licenses. The ER1000 series is Linux-based. Nowhere in Tranzeo's documentation or on their web site do I find the information required by the GPL. If one gets into the unit, the information required by the BSD license isn't there either. We (LCWA, that is) have talked to them regarding this and they're basically non-responsive. To many, it's a small thing. In my opinion, it matters because it speaks to ethics. FWIW. Bob John Scrivner wrote: Now if they would just drop a mere $1000 to join WISPA as a Vendor Member they would earn mine. I use their products every day. I have asked them to join, face to face, at shows as recently as the last WiMax World a month ago. Tranzeo benefits regularly from WISPA but as yet seems reluctant to support our industry efforts. Scriv On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 11:25 PM, Kurt Fankhauser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I read every word. Tranzeo has earned my respect. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of D. Ryan Spott Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 6:04 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List; Mikrotik discussions; Mikrotik Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Tranzeo] New Update - Tranzeo/Mtik disconnect issue Oct 10th, 2008 Ladies and Gentlemen, (Please pardon my extensive use of () and in this here email, I am not so good with the typin' stuff! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- A few weeks ago (years in some cases, hi Travis!) there was discovered a random disconnect issue between Tranzeo CPE and Mtik APs. First it was prism vs atheos (no, that was not it) Then it was tranzeo CPE are terrible. Yadda Yadda (no that is not it either as even MTIK CPE were seing this, although not as often) Then it was you must have some power issue with the boards browning out on the routeros board you are using (nope, not that either) Someone even threw in Pluto is mad that it is not a planet any more. (Pluto is now considered the largest member of a distinct population called the Kuiper belt http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuiper_belt.) Even I said it was not an issue and hey they just disconnect a few times a day.. who cares! (whoops! talk to my P** off customers!) Even Marlon the strange wizard from the far side of the mountains said the Tranzeo CPE were to blame (he convinced me to use Tranzeo over SmartBridges! Thank Goodness!) Travis from Idaho posted a forum entry here for Mtik to ignore or scoff at: (Hi Uldis!) http://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=7t=24971 I emailed Damian and another gentleman from Tranzeo privately and said WTF kids? I did some network sniffing for them and was able to give EXACT details about what was happening, when and how. We (Tranzeo and I, mostly Damian) opened a ticket with Mtik (Ticket#2008091666000531): Tranzeo laid out a packet sniff from Network Instruments Wireless Observer along with my wireshark packet sniff showing in brief that the Mtik AP was throwing out random zeros in it's beacon frame timestamp. They stated that when a zero is recieved, the CPE are to assume that there is a change in the settings of the wireless AP and they should disconnect and reaquire. (think of this as an INSTANT change from 802.11b to 802.11b/g and all your clients disconnect and reconnect, because, well, there is a change in the AP's capabilities. This is reasonable reaction to a notification of a change of settings. Mtik replied with IEEE Std 802.11-2007 section 11.1.1.1 (located here if you have trouble sleeping: (http://standards.ieee.org/getieee802/download/802.11-2007.pdf *YAWN* let me tell you, this explains why wireless engineers are who they are.. whoa!) Mtik continued and said that the wording of this standard allowed for a timestamp of zero sent from the AP and basically the CPE should deal with it and play through. Damian learned some Latvian so he could swear in a diffrent language than Canadian. Honestly, he likes to be legal in APs etc and just cannot see why us ULS users would flaunt the FCC _and_ put up with these Mtik bugs. I
Re: [WISPA] p2p blocking, throttling, mikrotik
Don't block p2p unless you do disclose it up front and straight out to your customers. That what was Comcast got in big problems with FCC a year ago because they throttled it to point of unusable and they got slapped on the fingers big time. But if you do and you are masquerading you traffic you have to create mangle rules to catch properly the p2p traffic. If you don't then many p2p apps will swap to use port 80 for traffic and if you do QoS on port 80 then you are effectively helping it out instead of hindering it and would be why you see this problem with port 80 traffic. /Eje --Original Message-- From: RC Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org ReplyTo: WISPA General List Sent: Nov 3, 2008 09:24 Subject: [WISPA] p2p blocking, throttling, mikrotik When I try and block ptp traffic through my mikrotik router customers call in telling us some web pages load some don't. Myspace, yahoo, etc. Anyone know how to block or throttle p2p without affecting regular web traffic? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
Problem with 900 is the lack of spectrum. Most fast equipment uses 10 to 20MHz. In 900 there is only a total of 26MHz. The fastest solution on the market is to use an XR9 card in 5 or 10MHz mode. 5MHz in a MikroTik unit can give you 5-6Mbit effective throughput without Nstream. Canopy is second fastest but uses 8MHz bandwith if memory serves me right. Another problem is the noise pollution in 900 and the best to that problem is hands down canopy. Don't expect anything blazing fast in 900MHz that will be affordable any time in the near future. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Adam Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 23:31:43 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information I oversubscribe 10/1. I try to keep it down to 30-35 subs per AP (mostly 900MHz=3mbps radios). Lets say I have only 2 streaming subs at any given time: 2x 2mbps = 4mbps. plus other regular traffic. The demand is only going to go up with time. Seems to me we need faster 900MHz radios if we want to stay in busines, and if Moto wants to stay in the 900 market. On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 11:14 PM, Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I deliver 100 mbps wholesale to many rural areas for $3-4K/month type of figure. That includes transport. And stastically, you can oversub it, even with streaming content. You are never going to have all 20 streaming movies all at the same time. I am willing to take the chance. That is how we are building out our network. - Original Message - From: Butch Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 9:06 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information On Mon, 24 Nov 2008, Chuck McCown - 3 wrote: I think the canopy 450 will do something like 30 down and 10 up. So that could give you 20 simultaneously which statistically could work if you had 50-100 on an AP. Ok, so you have 20 people on one AP pulling 2Meg each which is 40 meg stream. If you have just 3 towers like that, you will have 120Meg streaming. At $50/sub, you have 60*50 = $3k/month in revenue for those that are using that 120Meg. You'd NEVER get 120Meg delivered to rural America (at least not in MY area) for that kind of money. A DS3 here with 45Meg would be around $4500/month after you include the transport. What am I missing? Canopy isn't the answer...the question isn't JUST the last mile, but the business model overall. The problem CAN be solved at the last mile, but when people are demanding streaming services they will have to understand that $50 commodity service isn't the answer. I'd be happy to deliver ANYONE with a dedicated service level of 2,3 even 10M, but it won't be $50/month. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/ * Network Engineering* * http://www.wispa.org/ * WISPA Board Member* * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * Wired or Wireless Networks* WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds
G is not very good on handling lot of noisy. I have bit similar problem as you in one area. Customer experience gets much better with the unit set in B mode. Higher throughput and more stable connection. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Steve Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 05:57:41 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds I am on B only. We have very noisy 2.4 and I have been told adding G to the AP and CPE just increases the noise. Is that Wrong? What will G do to my Distance customers. Steve Barnes -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 1:08 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds I've only used 5 GHz MT, but I don't have a problem with someone pulling 20+ megs... now I don't have that much upstream, but the network can do it. I'm assuming that you are using cards in B mode if you can only get 3.5 mbit. A lot of people are against G mode, but I don't' think it's that much different from A and A works just fine for me. Then again, I am ALL Atheros MT, nothing else. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Steve Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 8:32 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Client Speeds I have read many post on this list about how much bandwidth different WISP offer. I want to discuss that as well as the recommended equipment that is so often discussed on this list. I am a startup. Little to no startup capital. I had to pinch each penny to get as much as possible out of it. My goal was to service the clients no one wanted in a county that had no Fiber or DSL other that what Verizon holds hostage. So now after 2 years I have 8 towers with 320 clients. The service I offer is a $39.99 basic level 640k x 256k and a $59.99 Pro Level 1M x 512k. You guys are talking about 10Mb. If I turn off the speed control on AP's and let people play I don't get over 3.5M on any of them. ( 2.4 MT or StarOS, and Tranzeo CPE's) I use a StarOS Full Duplex Link to Backhaul to a Fiber connection that I Share cost of with another WISP my size. The investment I would have to make to achieve 10MB to each client is financially Impossible. Surely some of you big guys out there have been in my shoes. What do you recommend a small WISP in my situation to do in the future. Please don't start with the statement, How you should have started you service. I was providing a solution. So this is what I have and I know of at least 6 other small WISP's on this list who are in the same boat. So BIG GUYS think back. How do I grow into new BROADBAND definition without rebuilding my network from the ground up. What is everyone charging and what does the client get for that price. Financing is not readily available and the Boss hopes to one day get some ROI. No Grants available and no big group wanting to invest or challenge Verizon. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds
XR5's are not prism chipset they are atheros chipsets as well. 6th gen Atheros to be more exact. All Ubiquiti products are Atheros base as well so are all MikroTiks radio cards as well. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Josh Luthman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 01:10:43 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds XR5's are Prism for my APs R52's are Atheros for my CPEs I have not heard of any chipset differences in performance - anyone else have this? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 1:08 AM, Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: I've only used 5 GHz MT, but I don't have a problem with someone pulling 20+ megs... now I don't have that much upstream, but the network can do it. I'm assuming that you are using cards in B mode if you can only get 3.5 mbit. A lot of people are against G mode, but I don't' think it's that much different from A and A works just fine for me. Then again, I am ALL Atheros MT, nothing else. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Steve Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 8:32 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Client Speeds I have read many post on this list about how much bandwidth different WISP offer. I want to discuss that as well as the recommended equipment that is so often discussed on this list. I am a startup. Little to no startup capital. I had to pinch each penny to get as much as possible out of it. My goal was to service the clients no one wanted in a county that had no Fiber or DSL other that what Verizon holds hostage. So now after 2 years I have 8 towers with 320 clients. The service I offer is a $39.99 basic level 640k x 256k and a $59.99 Pro Level 1M x 512k. You guys are talking about 10Mb. If I turn off the speed control on AP's and let people play I don't get over 3.5M on any of them. ( 2.4 MT or StarOS, and Tranzeo CPE's) I use a StarOS Full Duplex Link to Backhaul to a Fiber connection that I Share cost of with another WISP my size. The investment I would have to make to achieve 10MB to each client is financially Impossible. Surely some of you big guys out there have been in my shoes. What do you recommend a small WISP in my situation to do in the future. Please don't start with the statement, How you should have started you service. I was providing a solution. So this is what I have and I know of at least 6 other small WISP's on this list who are in the same boat. So BIG GUYS think back. How do I grow into new BROADBAND definition without rebuilding my network from the ground up. What is everyone charging and what does the client get for that price. Financing is not readily available and the Boss hopes to one day get some ROI. No Grants available and no big group wanting to invest or challenge Verizon. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues
On the 3rd unit myself in about as many years. Don't know many Xbox users that not lost one due to the so called ring of death. The ones that haven't bought the fan kit right of the bat. The only good thing for myself is that each unit been a slight upgrade from the last one at the same or close to the same price and since I bought the extended warranty really haven't lost much money. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Josh Luthman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 01:02:47 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues I spoke with a doctor last week who's son has gone through 4 in the last year. May be just that one case, though. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 12:57 AM, Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: I don't think that has been as prevalent of an issue over the past 2 years or so. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Josh Luthman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 5:15 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues Just a little side note here - when it comes to static IP addresses on the Xbox (or a reserved DHCP lease if you're into simplicity and ease =) a lot of people return their Xboxes due to hardware failure and get new units which drops the MAC address and IP configuration you had before. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 5:54 PM, Chad Halsted [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: UDP 88 UDP and TCP 3074 those ports should be forwarded from the customer router to the xbox 360. 360 will need a static IP. we put this in our firewall for xbox customers and set their xbox to 192.168.200.50/24 net = wpci1 client = ether1 forward udp to 192.168.200.50 88 from any to any 88 in via $net forward udp to 192.168.200.50 3074 from any to any 3074 in via $net forward tcp to 192.168.200.50 3074 from any to any 3074 in via $net On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 10:46 AM, Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You would have to Google for the exact port(s) to be forwarded on the client's NATing routers. I'm told wireless is a security hole and yet here we are... ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 8:24 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues upnp is a huge security whole I'm told. What port forwarding would be needed for a game system anyway? Is there something I should be trying on the routers? marlon - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 4:46 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues If uPNP is on, it should work as it's supposed to and the XBox requests the port forwarding from the router without manual intervention. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 6:23 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues upnp? We ALWAYS turn that off. What do you do with it? - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 3:59 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues Usually uPNP takes care of it, but they need a specific port forwarded to the box to work. If they have more than one console inside... I dunno what to do about that. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 5:51 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues What setting would that be? I've never changed the NAT settings in a router that I set up for a customer. marlon - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 10:32 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Shaping (WAS Article)
Doing something like that myself. We deliver bandwidth to a apartment complex with students mainly. We charge them good because I know they will use it all. Think my cost today is not quit 200 per mbit so they pay 250 at least per mbit. Then I have another customer that I know will today not use all their bandwidth all the time but needs/wants a symmetric link of 1 to 1.5Mbit they pay about half of what that bandwidth costs (threw in the deal that we can use their was bay to wash our bucket van ;) for free). So today either you need to look at bit caps if you sell very much to cheap or simply charge to cover your costs so if they want to use a constant 5Mbit pipe they will just have to pay the cost and if they don't like it you don't need that particular user as a customer because you can not afford them. We also have one guy that started out as residential customer a big pain in the ass turns out he is making money on doing some for of streaming radio station so when he complained on speed and short down times etc and that it was loosing him money we upgraded him to a business acct and he now pay more for his internet feed then what the bandwidth he uses cost me. So we also can make money on him when he makes money. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Josh Luthman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 23:56:12 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Shaping (WAS Article) I strongly believe that the customer bandwidth packages should be priced based on your (or that area's cost). I think a lot of the discussion has lost that mind set. Much of the debate here is thinking about 10 megs country wide broadband statement, 384k here or 2meg there. In my area a 2 meg package is easily sellable and profitable. It compares with cable/DSL is the populated areas we don't cover to get the enticement of those customers that are in our area. In Nowhere, Idaho (pardon the lack of imaginative creativity) the options are could be 1 meg DSL, dialup and the local WISP packages of 512k and 1meg. This particular WISP will not be selling 5 or 10 meg connections in the next couple of years or likely even ever. Not every town gets a 100 story skyscraper with a floor for a data center and oodles of fiber passsing through. How can one offer the same service when the technological progression of this example and Nowhere are a decade apart? In cable's case of DOCSIS 3 and HD channels - how many homes are capable of getting that 50 meg connection Comcast boasts? Or the dozens of HD channels? I'm positive those customers in the most rural areas with a country block between houses will receive these new features much later then that of people living in a city with thousands of people in a single block. Every one is in business to do business and make money. It may be one's goal to feed their family or raise enough money to buy their dream house and car or even just to be able to grow the business, sell it, and start the process over. All we can do is our learn what we can and improve our practices with that knowledge. The cable company is not going to upgrade the 10 customers in Nowhere begore the thousand in BigOCity - it only make sense to secure the revenue from those thousand with other options then those 10 that have not other options. A WISP can (should) not sell 3 megs to each customer when the bottleneck is 3 megs. QoS can do great things but it simply can not turn 3 megs into customers*3megs. I am done ranting, thank you for reading! On 12/4/08, RickG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have WRAP boards on all towers that provide limited bandwidth shaping. I just recently installed a Mikrotik firewall (and love it). It's shaping and rules cover all customers. As far as bandwidth hits, the previous owner oversold and overmarketed the amount of bandwidth in order to gain subscribers (i.e. premium 3Mbps accounts when he only had 3Mbps). Since bandwidth is very expensive and difficult to get here, this has led to a sluggish network that I am having difficulty resolving. Therefore, the customers have been complaining. The good news is that after getting very creative, I have overturned some new options but the cost is still a strain on the budget. My biggest frustration is the never ending question: What will it take? It appears that more and more people want constant multi-megabit speeds on demand for less than $50/month. The oversubscription rate on a $600/month T1 no longer provides for a valid business model. Heck, my $500/month 5Mbps connection form Time Warner became quickly saturated once I put it in. I expect my new 11Mbps connection for $600 will do the same. The interesting part is that I continue to get pressure for faster speed plans therefore pressure to make the same mistake my predecessor made - offer plans with speeds that max out my capacity. -RickG On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 12:35 PM, Steve
Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds
Sorry but this comment makes me laugh that you can throw out a number like this when the wise people that do statistics can't even come to a true conclusion how many wisps and other unlicensed operators there are out there. To state these numbers as well with as many privately owned manufacturers and distributors there are out there selling unlicensed equipment I personally wouldn't dare throw out numbers like that so casually like it was THE truth. Sure Canopy got a great product and have a big market space. But in the big scope on the Moto radar Canopy is a very small market and Moto got their status downgraded to junk by SP this week. If they really start hurting I do not doubt seeing them hesitate for 2second to scrap or sell their Canopy line. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 19:25:37 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds Digis was 100% Canopy. I think they had about 15,000 at the time of the purchase. We have 5000+ all Canopy. Mot has more than 50% of the US market. So the other 50% is made up of Trango, Tranzeo, MT etc etc etc. - Original Message - From: 3-dB Networks [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 7:16 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds That's probably slightly aggressive Chuck... but at the scale they are at your not that far off... Its even a more interesting picture if you look at the WISP's they bought... Three more large WISP's by my definition, all Canopy shops... are part of them. Mesa, Digis, and LP Broadband. All Canopy shops (granted Mesa had some legacy Tranzeo in there, LP had a lot of Matt Larsen's last WISP's Tranzeo gear still running, I don't know anything really about Digis's part of the network). Heck Chuck... your above 5,000 wireless subs aren't you? Daniel White 3-dB Networks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 3 Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 7:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds JAB? They probably have 50,000 subs by now. Canopy shop. - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 6:16 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds Again... Canopy is a very popular platform, I do not deny that. But I still feel there is no basis to your statement, or statistics that back up your original statement taht Canopy dominates the large provider market. What about Tower Stream? Last I knew they were one of the largest Urban WISPs. They use Aperto. What about AirBand, they had some serious numbers at some time, one two occasions, I was aware of them buying Proxim at one point, then a lot of Alvarion later on. What about Prairie-I.net, one of the larger, I know they used alot of Trango at one point. What about Travis, one of the larger, He's bigtime Trango user. What about Matt Larson (now w/GAB), he had gotten pretty darn big, he was mostly Tranzeo and StarOS. What about Covad/Nextweb, to the beest of my knowledge they were NOT primarilly a Canopy shop. Sure, Canopy is emergencing as a company that is continueing to evolve in compatibility with WISP models to enable expansion to 20mbps and beyond. But to say Canopy owned the large player market is ludicris. You could argue Canopy was a preferred choice for many Muni plays, most all of which went bankrupt or shut down their networks, creating one of the largest availability stockpiles of second hand used product for WISPs to now buy at discount, compared to any other brand. I find it interesting that Alvarion and Trango still hold their value higher on Ebay. I'll also argue that what is considered preferred choice gear is a leap frog game. Ironically, I personally have been using some Canopy recently, because of a unique value proposition it offers for specific application on this given day. However, there are many new players, which very well may bring the next best product line to the market. A perfect example are new products like Redline, Aperto, Alvarion dominating the new 3650 markets. And the comment are swapping out their Trango gear anyways., that's a croc. If they are swapping them out, they are fools. Eight years later, my Trangos are as strong as the day they were installed. I'd actually argue the opposite of your comment. Alvarion always had the reputation as the choice for the larger VC funded companies that could afford the best. Canopy is more destined to be a preferred choice for small operators. To Canopy's luck, Trango, the price and engineering leader, and favorite to many medium size providers, decided not to continue down
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik parts for sale
If your lucky. Could also take 6mo before they decided they did loose it then another year before they send the check. If the package arrives but open just home that foreign postal office at some point weighed the package or else you are SOL. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Jim Patient [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 10:41:24 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik parts for sale If you use USPS for international shipping you better insure it and be prepared to wait 1yr+ for the claim when they loose it. Jim Mike Hammett wrote: Due to some advise, I've figured out a way to ship internationally. I will now ship via USPS internationally. I'll have to quote that shipping after the completion of the auction, since I'm not going to individually quote a whole bunch of people. I'll charge $5 over what usps.com tells me it costs to ship it to you. I will only use USPS internationally, UPS only within the 48 states. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 12:50 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Mikrotik parts for sale http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQfgtpZ1QQfrppZ25QQsassZjohanQ2dhammy - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Where is StarOS?
Odd I never seen a problem running multiple winboxes on the same pc. There even been time where I been logged in more then two times to the same router with winbox. Had more then 10 winboxes running at the same time. Personally I very much the MT CLI interface much more then the StarOS menu driven system. The CLI give you assist with all command to build firewall rules, queue rules etc while the editor function in StarOS isn't IMO very helpful there. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 04:08:45 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Where is StarOS? Let me explain MT enables everything to be done through an easy graphical interface. In other words no need to remember syntax. In StarOS, to configure advanced features, from the menu you open up a script page, and then manually writing text commands. StarOS has little documetnations, MT has very complete documentation. From that perspective MT is easy, and StarOS is hard. However, there is another angle. What if you don't really want to use all those custom advanced features? MT's interface is really somewhat overwelming. There is too much there, designed for the super tech. StarOS on the other hand, has a Mouse clickable menu (NOt a windows GUI, more like a DOS version of a window) that is well organized, and easy to spot and access the feature that you want to configure. The core feature that you want to configure (such as wireless settings) are all complete with easy checkboxes. With StarOS I spend lesss time hunting for the menu item I want to use. For example, when StarOS starts, by default on the main screen you see your wireless connections and the RSSI and Noise for each. You don;t have to click anything to get to that place, its just right there. Then if you press F1, (a single key) you now have a view of all your subscribers and their RSSIs and link Qualities. So basically in seconds, you are viewing menaingful information on your active connections. When you go to configure wireless, all the core features you will change are all on one screen, in one place. And because it is SSH accessed, it can be done from anywhere anytime, and it is lightnig fast to navigate the menu.. From that perspective StarOS is the more easy. MT is very feature rich, if not the most feature rich. With options, comes choice. And where there is choice there is greater complexity, and greater chance of error. When we first started using MT, techs always had to go look at another MT router already configured to remember how to configure it the way that was our standard to do so. It was harder to remember, and required more training. Once we learned it, it was easy, but it had a longer learnign curve. With StarOS, we are not driven to use all the options. It could be argued that I am not being fair, because we don't use StarOS complex features, to report how hard they are or aren;t to use. STAROS also has made much automatic. For example, WDS bridging is 100% automatic, and requires no customization. Its senses whether to treat the CPE as a wifi station or a WDS true bridge. And does it well. Thats why even though WDS took more processing power, we chose to use Bridging anyway. It was jsut easy, and we could operate it just like a dumb bridge, like a Trango or Canopy. But the primary reason we used StarOS, is they generally were the fist to out out a key features that we were looking for. For example they did 5 Mhz channels first. possibly first to support 533Mhz board. Because we always ahve been a company to jump first on new useful features, we quickly jumped on StarOS. Then we somewhat get locked into it at those regions we deployed it. Today, MT is offering so many improvements, its pretty hard to beat. Ironically, the two big reasons that we use StarOS more, has nothing to do with reasons other WISPs would choose. We wanted a standards based testing tool that was able to be run from any device on our network. We chose Iperf. StarOS was the first to add Iperf to its firmware. To this day, I do not understand why MT will not. (its a small app). The second is that the way that the Mikrotik GUI works, and a design conflict with a proprieatry tool that we call device proxy, that we use to quickly locate and login to a radio, it does not allow us to open up two MIkrotiks routers fro mthe same PC at the same time. Meaning we can;t be logged into both the AP and CPE. This is a big pain for us. We don't have that problem with StarOS, that slows our troubleshooting. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Sam Tetherow [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 3:12 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Where is StarOS? I am primarily a MT shop although I have started putting up StarOS
Re: [WISPA] tower erection question
Wasn't it Rick Kunse (not sure spelling of last name the guy with the speed boat? I just did the base for a 120ft tower. Concrete, rebar, dirt work ran $8200 could gotten it a little cheaper but that guy was taking way to long on a different job so went with another company that cost a bit more but got it done fast and did a great job. That was for 10 cu feet of concrete. In a single pour into one single hole. For a 200ft either you have a giant slab or three piers. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 23:35:00 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower erection question Note, At WISPCON II, I think it was Jeremy, that did a session about his experience installing a 200ft self standing tower, that he got put up for $25k, all costs included. (allthough that is the lowest i've ever seen reported) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Eric Rogers ecrog...@precisionds.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 7:36 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower erection question That seems awful cheap to me...I would expect at least $50k or more. A 200' self-supporting tower cost me about $65k and I did all of the leg work. If you have a tower crew, I would expect $15k for labor, $2000 for earthwork, and I don't know the concrete requirements so maybe $1000, $3000-5000 for fencing, $7000 for lighting, $5k for paperwork and variances (don't forget to notify the FAA, EPA, and some Indian preservation group). I figure roughly $33k just for construction. That is not including a building and steel (tower price). The paperwork is the hardest part to get completed. It isn't hard work, just busy work. Thanks, Eric Rogers Precision Data Solutions, LLC (317) 831-3000 x200 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 3:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower erection question So more or less a turn key tower? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: chris cooper ccoo...@intelliwave.com Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 10:22 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] tower erection question Ok, pretty general question I know, but does anyone have a ball park figure for erection of a 300' Rohn 65G - earthwork, steel and construction? Thanks Chris WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.17/1846 - Release Date: 12/12/2008 6:59 PM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65
Bring out your credit card and go get one. Run you a wooping $260 and take you about 10min to do. ;) /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 10:04:18 To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65 I don't have a license to do it with :-) Daniel White 3-dB Networks -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 10:00 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65 This is easy to confirm, just go ahead an register a base on a know site Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 12:51 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65 Not sure how I can prove it... being that I didn't actually go through this but its what one of our customers told us (and they are not on the list). Daniel White 3-dB Networks -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 9:42 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65 I have always assumed multiple operators could register the same site too. Though I was skeptical (and remain so), Remi was really emphatic that the same site could not be registered and he mentioned that the Part 90 rule has some language that prevents multiple registrations. Like you, I'd need proof. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 8:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65 Hi, We are going to need specifics on this... because this is NOT what the FCC has said would happen nor is it what other people (at ISPCon) have said. There is another story of a telco that owns several of the ground stations that prevent others from registering 3.65 in that area... I wonder if those stories are getting mixed together? Travis 3-dB Networks wrote: Patrick, Respectfully I have been told the exact opposite by a WISP that was going to do a large 3.65 deployment, except the local teleco registered all of the high ground in the area preventing them from registering their own sites. The teleco has no intention of deploying the gear, so now they are in a heck of a problem. Daniel White 3-dB Networks -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 9:22 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65 Hi Travis, I wish I had specifics, but I don't have anything other than an anecdotal story told to me by Redline when I was at a conference. I had always been under the impression an operator could register for the same locations. Patrick From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 8:08 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65 Patrick, Could you please share the exact information about the FCC rejecting applications for the same tower? At ISPCon a month ago, there were several people there that had deployed 3.65 and had even registered on the same tower as other 3.65 people and the applications went through just fine. I think you are giving people the impression that if they are first to the tower, they get entire use. This is NOT going to be the case. Travis Microserv Patrick Leary wrote: I'll chime in with a few comments: I admit to having been frustrated by the requirements in the 3.65 GHz ruling by the ambiguity of the cooperation requirements and for sure there are no first in rights. However, what I am seeing thus far in practice is that first movers do enjoy a meaningful advantage in their markets. Since WiMAX does represent a more
Re: [WISPA] RIP
Good to talk with legacy products. For a new network use OSPF. /Eje --Original Message-- From: RickG Sender: To: WISPA General List ReplyTo: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] RIP Sent: Dec 18, 2008 23:13 Anyone using RIP? Thoughts? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tranzeo's web site?
That is what ups's and generators are for. Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: D. Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 12:53:55 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] tranzeo's web site? According to some insider info the DC where the webserver is located (not at Tranzeo) had a power outage. ryan On Dec 22, 2008, at 11:20 AM, John Valenti wrote: Marlon, I thought the Tranzeo/MT problem was a Mikrotik issue, fixed by their update. (Tranzeo did a work-around, but it wasn't their bug) Or is there some other problem? Oh, www.tranzeo.com is working for me, now. And Merry Christmas to you, too! On Dec 21, 2008, at 12:19 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Glad it's not just me! grin Nothing particular right now. I was just checking for any new versions. Well, I guess I would sure like a fix for the Tranzeo/MT problem. Not the MT patch, but a proper fix from Tranzeo. And for Christmas I want a firmware for the Tranzeo AP's that doesn't lock up! Merry Christmas all! marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tranzeo's web site?
Should have. Standard states they need to accept that frame they took it on themselves to use it as a reboot signal. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 12:55:35 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] tranzeo's web site? Tranzeo followed the RFC by rebooting with whatever frame it was sent, as I recall. On 12/24/08, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: As it was explained to me, the problem was the exact opposite of what you've stated. Tranzeo did something that's NON standards based and MT finally created a work around. Who knows... Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! o...@odessaoffice.com www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: John Valenti vale...@lir.msu.edu To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 11:20 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] tranzeo's web site? Marlon, I thought the Tranzeo/MT problem was a Mikrotik issue, fixed by their update. (Tranzeo did a work-around, but it wasn't their bug) Or is there some other problem? Oh, www.tranzeo.com is working for me, now. And Merry Christmas to you, too! On Dec 21, 2008, at 12:19 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Glad it's not just me! grin Nothing particular right now. I was just checking for any new versions. Well, I guess I would sure like a fix for the Tranzeo/MT problem. Not the MT patch, but a proper fix from Tranzeo. And for Christmas I want a firmware for the Tranzeo AP's that doesn't lock up! Merry Christmas all! marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Holidays
Just standing at the mall waiting for santa pics. When that is done home cook xmas dinner and after we have eaten and cleaned up we will have xmas gift openings. Doing it per swedish tradition this year. /Eje --Original Message-- From: lakel...@gbcx.net Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org To: WISPA General List ReplyTo: lakel...@gbcx.net ReplyTo: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Holidays Sent: Dec 24, 2008 12:36 Tranzeo, Skypilot, Hutton,. Don't you guys have packages to wrap or something? :-) Happy Holidays Bob Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Does anyone recycle cable?
Checked you local recycling places? One local to me will take it for free. The other a bit further away I think gave us like 15c or something per pound (plastic and all) when we had some incorrectly built cat5 cabling (almost 40k feet on spools). Not sure about the exact price since its now well over a year since we sold the cabling. Hmm don't even recall what they paid for the pure copper scrap we sold to them less then 2 months ago. Lol Would assume they would also take cable not on spool and shorter cablings. /Eje --Original Message-- From: Martha Huizenga Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org To: WISPA General List ReplyTo: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Does anyone recycle cable? Sent: Jan 1, 2009 10:47 We've been keeping our used ethernet cable for recycling. I found a couple of companies on the Internet, but no response. Does anyone have a place to recycle this? Thanks Martha -- Martha Huizenga DC Access, LLC 202-546-5898 */Friendly, Local, Affordable, Internet!/**/ Connecting the Capitol Hill Community /* WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Business strategy for an uncertain future...
Just think about it. What will people do that can not afford the movies, cool electronics and gadgets or go out eat nice dinners etc do at night or during the day (assuming unemployed). Sit home watch TV and surf internet. They COULD cancel their cabel/sat connection if they have a good high speed connection. So in most if not all household internet will probably be the last luxury to go. Most will probably cancel their home phone line before they cancel their internet connection. Remember the article I posted the link to a couple week ago? 46% of the surveyed women would rather go without sex for 2 weeks then be without internet (only 30% of the men would do the same. Damn perverts anyway don't they know they can get that online ;) ) So as a equipment provider of WISP equipment we feel fairly comfortable. As a small town ISP feel very comfortable. We had 0 customer loss in the last 4 months yet unemployment jumped almost 4 points during the same town (one larger construction company closed their doors that provided auto parts to Detroit which was one of the biggest single employers in the area). Actually gain a few that I know for sure become unemployed some which started through layoff compensation money some online education so they had to get high speed where they before still only had dial up. Just be careful not to let people slide on their payments. Internet service is nothing you can take back so they should pay up front that way when they don't pay you can shut off service and not loose any service fees. Now if they supposed to do a contract over a period of time you might had to take them to court to get the remaining what they would owe you under their contract with you. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2009 21:05:41 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Business strategy for an uncertain future... If I was in the business of selling something frivilous, I would be worried. This is internet access. People need Internet Access just like they need electricity. You could live with out it but who would want to. Unless you have hit the top of your saturation, then it's doubtful you'll be losing subscribers. And if you offer a competitively priced product, you should, because of the recession, find a lot of new customers looking to change to a lower priced service when their low priced introductory deals run out. Especially if you have a Voip / Intenet Access bundle to offer. So borrow away, it's not going to hurt you. As for us, we don't really borrow, or want to carry much debt. We buy our equipment out of cash flow and are happy to be clear by the third month. Only downside is I don't get the qty discount that Travis pointed out with his large purchases. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Congress may help smaller ISPs grow
Just as an example of this. Southwest airlines (one of the few airlines still in the black and been so for a very long time) recently sold some of their planes (5 more soon to be sold) for 175millions. But they keep the planes on a 12 year lease. In 12 years those plans will be close to retirement. Over these 12 years they will pay more then the 175million they sold the planes for in the lease but they now have 175million in working capital that they can invest and grow. Make good strategic fuel hedge investments and other things to save or earn cash. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 15:26:37 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Congress may help smaller ISPs grow Tom, The points you make seem to drive home the point that some leasing companies and other consultants try to make. Keep your cash on hand for operational expenses and use leasing to purchase the equipment. This preserves your capital even though it may cost more in interest. Using that logic it would seem that the lease would allow you to purchase the equipment and start producing cash flow. You could show the SBA or RUS this cash flow in addition to having your capital still in the bank as collateral. Cash as collateral is easier for a lender to understand than some sort of technology that could be obsolete in 6 months. This is not the solution for everyone and if you can't get a lease it obviously doesn't work. Business owners should consider this about debt and the deflation possibility, when you have paid cash for your equipment and they deflate the dollar, your equipment investment just deflated as well. The only thing it can give you then is cash flow (as long as you have it installed and a paying customer on the equipment). If however you bought all of that equipment using credit and they deflate the dollar you have actually hedged against the deflation because your cash did not get deflated, yet you are still producing revenue on the other people's money you used. If you can get good credit terms and can make the numbers work I would personally borrow like crazy and expand to ramp up cash flow. The numbers will work if the government doesn't cause deflation, but if they do it works out even better. People who have loans always make out better in deflationary times over people who have hard cash assets. If you don't have assets they don't lose value. The person who built their business on cash or personal assets loses out twice. First the value of everything they already paid for depreciated in a big way and then the cash flow they are producing is buying less because of inflation. Hope that makes sense.. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 3:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Congress may help smaller ISPs grow Chuck, I will contact you offlist. I have some question. I have not tried SBA recently, and its time that I probably should, before I critisize the program. My point was... In past experience SBA enabled guaranteeing very low rates, but SBA could sometimes be harder to get than traditional loans, as SBA required more documentation. Very few SBA loans get defaulted on, because they have such strong requirements. I found the same thing with RUS loans. The misconception by many is that SBA gives loans, which is not the case. SBA guarantees other bank loans. So those banks are giving loans at lower interest than they normally do, because of the SBA's guarantee. But the SBA still wants to cover themselves similar to any other lender. It does not get the borrower off the hook for proving credit worthiness, by traditional industry methods. What I always found Ironic was that to get the SBA loan, one had to prove they were turned down by other lenders. But then the SBA potentially would turn down applicants for the same reasons. All loans have the same requirement, proving 1) ability to pay back (pre-existing consistent cashflow and profit from revenue stream), 2) proven credit worthiness, 3) colateral. Getting a lower interest, just makes the lenders look more closely to prove the above. There are very few lenders that will lend based on a potential of a business plan (that does not have pre-existing good cash flow to back it up), or simply based on the merit of the business. I find that borrowers that don't have problems getting loans are borrowers who have had a past life that had already established their high credit worthiness, usually via personal assets, or by having multiple officers to guarantee the loans. The big problem that I ran into was... I sold most of my traditional assets to fund my network build outs. And then invested all profit back into the business to build out the network
Re: [WISPA] Congress may help smaller ISPs grow
Don't expect to see that price of the cpes will drop by 50%. At $60-$100 there isn't much left to go lower. Especially considering shipping a cpe with integrated antenna $5 to $10 from manufacturing plans in asia. As well some semiconductor parts are currently going up instead of down as plans are being closed left and right. At current rate electronics will be up in price maybe as much as 20-30% in a year or two if things don't change soon. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: J. Vogel jvo...@vogent.com Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2009 14:44:48 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Congress may help smaller ISPs grow Another way of looking at it is that if deflation is occurring, and you have committed to pay for the CPE via leasing, you will be using future dollars that are worth more to pay for them, (e.g. at the time I commit to paying $100 for a cpe, each of those $100 would purchase a loaf of bread, but following the deflation of the dollar, each $dollar used to pay the lease would have purchased TWO loaves of bread.) so the real cost of those CPE is higher. That is even without figuring deflation on the CPE themselves. If deflation hits the CPE market as well, committing to pay $100 for CPE that 6 months from now will only cost $50 may not be a good position to be in. In any case, in a generally deflating market, pressure will be high to reduce prices, including subscription prices for Internet Access, so there may be fewer dollars available to pay those lease commitments, even though the dollars you do have are worth more. John Brian Webster wrote: Tom, snip ... If however you bought all of that equipment using credit and they deflate the dollar you have actually hedged against the deflation because your cash did not get deflated, yet you are still producing revenue on the other people's money you used. If you can get good credit terms and can make the numbers work I would personally borrow like crazy and expand to ramp up cash flow. The numbers will work if the government doesn't cause deflation, but if they do it works out even better. People who have loans always make out better in deflationary times over people who have hard cash assets. If you don't have assets they don't lose value. The person who built their business on cash or personal assets loses out twice. First the value of everything they already paid for depreciated in a big way and then the cash flow they are producing is buying less because of inflation. Hope that makes sense.. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 3:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Congress may help smaller ISPs grow Chuck, I will contact you offlist. I have some question. I have not tried SBA recently, and its time that I probably should, before I critisize the program. My point was... In past experience SBA enabled guaranteeing very low rates, but SBA could sometimes be harder to get than traditional loans, as SBA required more documentation. Very few SBA loans get defaulted on, because they have such strong requirements. I found the same thing with RUS loans. The misconception by many is that SBA gives loans, which is not the case. SBA guarantees other bank loans. So those banks are giving loans at lower interest than they normally do, because of the SBA's guarantee. But the SBA still wants to cover themselves similar to any other lender. It does not get the borrower off the hook for proving credit worthiness, by traditional industry methods. What I always found Ironic was that to get the SBA loan, one had to prove they were turned down by other lenders. But then the SBA potentially would turn down applicants for the same reasons. All loans have the same requirement, proving 1) ability to pay back (pre-existing consistent cashflow and profit from revenue stream), 2) proven credit worthiness, 3) colateral. Getting a lower interest, just makes the lenders look more closely to prove the above. There are very few lenders that will lend based on a potential of a business plan (that does not have pre-existing good cash flow to back it up), or simply based on the merit of the business. I find that borrowers that don't have problems getting loans are borrowers who have had a past life that had already established their high credit worthiness, usually via personal assets, or by having multiple officers to guarantee the loans. The big problem that I ran into was... I sold most of my traditional assets to fund my network build outs. And then invested all profit back into the business to build out the network, there fore increasing potential. And then Banks did not look at those network assets with a value, the same as they would if it was still real estate, so to speak
Re: [WISPA] POE up AM radio tower
Use heavy duty direct burial cable and some 400 size coax grounding strap. Then just peel of the outer plastic to the aluminum shield. A db cable should have another plastic protection under the shield. /Eje /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Doug Ratcliffe do...@dwwfl.com Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 17:18:35 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] POE up AM radio tower In the case of grounding every 20-40 feet, what are you doing to achieve this without breaking down the water resistant jacket on the cable? Using an inline RJ45 POE surge protector? A ground tap clamp? Also, in the case of Nanostations, the ground is done via the metal RJ45 STP connectors (the metal connector is the ground supposedly). Should I avoid hooking that STP ground up altogether? - Original Message - From: Rick Harnish rharn...@greatamericanbroadband.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 4:16 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] POE up AM radio tower Doug, We have POE running on an identical AM tower (fairly low wattage) configuration. We did used shielded cable and I believe we are grounding the shield to the tower every 20-40' (can't remember). The shield does pick up the AM transmission and we also used ferrite beads at the bottom. Like Jack says, it is extremely tricky to pull off and much care and patience needs to happen in the engineering to ensure a workable solution. We do have Canopy 5.2 running POE on this tower. Rick Harnish -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 3:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] POE up AM radio tower Doug, The only way to tell if using shielded cable would work is to try it. Every high-power (radio tower) situation is unique. Most tower problems occur on high-power FM towers where the FM frequency is close to the Ethernet frequency but problems can easily exist on AM towers too depending on AM transmit power levels, proximity to your cabling, effectiveness of your shielding and grounding, filters internal to and external from your equipment, etc. This topic (with examples) can be discussed endlessly but each and every tower is going to be unique so if you want a quick and correct answer then I'd suggest just going ahead and trying it. Do your best on the initial shielding and grounding to get the best result then see if that is good enough to meet your needs. jack Doug Ratcliffe wrote: We've had for many years access to a non-live AM radio tower (by non-live, the antennas are mounted on the sides of the tower, insulated, look like long steel cables). For a long time we ran AC to the top, into a small choke/transformer (some little gizmo) that filtered the AM radio signal, along with a fiber cable to the bottom. A lightning strike zapped all the equipment a few years ago, and we never replaced it. The time has come that we need to put equipment on it again. I'd like to move towards running POE to the bottom, and at the top would be Nanostations 2/5's. The tower is 160 ft tall self-supporting. I was thinking about running shielded twisted pair cable. In the past we've been able to run short lengths of CAT5 at the top from the main power box, but the last time any experimentation was done with CAT5 was with a former partner, and the now deceased engineer that used to run the radio station. Would the shielded cable remove the interference/static charge/etc or is this just not possible? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Cisco Press Author - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs WISPs - Do you know where your customers are? For wireless coverage mapping see http://www.ask-wi.com/mapping FCC Lic. #PG-12-25133 LinkedIn Profile http://www.linkedin.com/in/jackunger Phone 818-227-4220 Email jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http
Re: [WISPA] equipment state property taxes
Years back we leased a router from sprint bundled into our internet access. We had to pay taxes on the lease portion but the internet portion was tax free. We had a big argument with them until they gave us itemized bill showing what was taxed and what was not. The hardware was taxed the internet was not but the local loop was. They didn't hit us as far as I know with a single present but charged us every month instead. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 01:20:35 To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] equipment state property taxes You have to look at your leasing contract... For the correct answer Having said that Keep in mind that Leasing companies are providing an alternate form of financing, so they are not expecting to incur additional costs other than the equipment they are leasing / financing. I would do the math and see if the 'rate' they are charging you for using this alternate form of financing is comparative to borrowing it from the bank..then I would pay the property tax... Otherwise I would try to duke it out with them, but that depends on how your leasing contract is written. Regards Faisal Imtiaz -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 12:53 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] equipment state property taxes Well, I thought I wouldnt have to worry about state property taxes on my equipment because it was leased, but I received a nice Christmas present from my leasing company in the form of a $1700 bill. They were billed from our local tax authority and in turn expect me to pay it. My CPA was surprised as well and said there may be some exceptions for Internet providers. Has anyone heard of this? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] equipment state property taxes
Depends on how you have things in your books. If its as an asset then you pay property tax. On all property a business need at least in KS pay property tax unless you expense it immediately when bought. But there are limits on how much you can expense each year. So many times that printer and desk the value is so small that it can be expensed. But a building, viechle or other big dollar ticket item you generally can not expense. The more assets you have the more you can expense. I'm not a tax accountant so can not say how much but that is my understanding talking with my wife (MBA grad) and our CPA. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 10:15:12 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] equipment state property taxes I've never heard of a property tax that was applied to anything other than a parcel of land or a structure. I know our township auditor quite well and that's all that is involved. You don't pay property tax on your computer or big screen TV, why would you on a CPE? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 11:52 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] equipment state property taxes Well, I thought I wouldnt have to worry about state property taxes on my equipment because it was leased, but I received a nice Christmas present from my leasing company in the form of a $1700 bill. They were billed from our local tax authority and in turn expect me to pay it. My CPA was surprised as well and said there may be some exceptions for Internet providers. Has anyone heard of this? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] equipment state property taxes
Correct we do not pay property tax on inventoried items we have for resale. However if we use profits from previous sale to finance our inventory we do not get any tax break. To IRS the profit is taxable no matter what we did with the money. So when we increase our inventory levels according to them we still have the funds just that to us its no longer funds we can use to pay the IRS so we have to make sure that we have the money to pay for the taxes when April 15th comes around. So many times around that time we have to be careful with our working cash flow to ensure we have enough to pay our ever increasing tax payment every year. /Eje --Original Message-- From: George Rogato Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org To: WISPA General List ReplyTo: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] equipment state property taxes Sent: Jan 4, 2009 14:41 Tom DeReggi wrote: That is incorrect. If you are a store that sells big screen TVs you pay property tax on your inventory of Big screen TVs. And technically an end user is supposed to pay tax for their big screen TV also, there just isn't a way for the government to know about it. I didn't think we paid property taxes on our resale inventory. I ws thinking it was on the shelving. Other wise the grocery store would be paying property taxes on every egg they sold. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] equipment state property taxes
Correct we do not pay property tax on inventoried items we have for resale. However if we use profits from previous sale to finance our inventory we do not get any tax break. To IRS the profit is taxable no matter what we did with the money. So when we increase our inventory levels according to them we still have the funds just that to us its no longer funds we can use to pay the IRS so we have to make sure that we have the money to pay for the taxes when April 15th comes around. So many times around that time we have to be careful with our working cash flow to ensure we have enough to pay our ever increasing tax payment every year. /Eje --Original Message-- From: George Rogato Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org To: WISPA General List ReplyTo: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] equipment state property taxes Sent: Jan 4, 2009 14:41 Tom DeReggi wrote: That is incorrect. If you are a store that sells big screen TVs you pay property tax on your inventory of Big screen TVs. And technically an end user is supposed to pay tax for their big screen TV also, there just isn't a way for the government to know about it. I didn't think we paid property taxes on our resale inventory. I ws thinking it was on the shelving. Other wise the grocery store would be paying property taxes on every egg they sold. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] equipment state property taxes
Yes you should be able to depreciate any asset and you pay property tax on your asset. Electronics generally have a 3yr depreciation time software 5yrs if memory serves me right. Or its the other way around. Other assets might have other depreciation rules check with you local tax accountant. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 18:47:04 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] equipment state property taxes Travis, Doesnt this take away some of the argument for leasing? This is one item (I may have mised it) that didnt seem to make it in the discusions of for/against leasing. Alternatively, since we get taxed on the equipment, do we get to depreciate it? -RickG On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 1:53 AM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: Yes, this is correct. We have to pay it on all our leases in the form of property taxes. :( Travis Microserv RickG wrote: Well, I thought I wouldnt have to worry about state property taxes on my equipment because it was leased, but I received a nice Christmas present from my leasing company in the form of a $1700 bill. They were billed from our local tax authority and in turn expect me to pay it. My CPA was surprised as well and said there may be some exceptions for Internet providers. Has anyone heard of this? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Broadband Internet Access Deemed a Legal Right
You can get 6mbit mobile broadband sometimes as a perk for getting a permanent connection in your apartment/house. My parents had a 26Mbit down DSL connection out in the sticks (5miles from closest bus stop and grocery store) before they moved to a city (35min away and closest city within an hours drive of a 55k population, celebrated 800 years about 5 yrs ago) and now have a 100Mbit connection. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 18:07:45 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Broadband Internet Access Deemed a Legal Right 100 meg is quite prevalent in Scandinavia and 1 gig is spreading. A 1 meg guarantee isn't much of anything there. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 3:46 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Broadband Internet Access Deemed a Legal Right I can see somewhere in the near future, after all major technologies converge into devices that run on whatever version of the internet we will have at that time, that this would be a feasible argument however at this moment and probably in the next 10 years the vast majority of us will be able to live and survive perfectly fine with no internet. I don't understand the 1mg limit for the human right. Most information, other than video, can be had at mere dial up speed. How would slower internet speeds be the difference between life or death? My 15 year old. Dad! If I can't see the Whack-a-kitty video on YouTube I'm just gonna die! Okay, that much I DO understand. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David Hulsebus Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 3:44 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Broadband Internet Access Deemed a Legal Right FYI From SANS Newsbites Vol. 11 Num. 82 : Broadband Internet Access Deemed a Legal Right --Finland Declares 1Mb Broadband Access a Legal Right (October 14 15, 2009) The Finnish government has enacted a law making 1Mb broadband Internet access a legal right. The law will take effect in July 2010. The country may eventually guarantee its citizens the right to 100Mb broadband connections. Finland's Transport and Communications Ministry spokesperson Laura Vikkonen was quoted as saying that We think [the Internet is] something you cannot live without in modern society. Like banking services or water or electricity, you need an Internet connection. Earlier this year, France declared Internet access to be a human right. http://news.cnet.com/8301-17939_109-10374831-2.html http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/posted/archive/2009/10/15/finland-m akes-broadband-internet-a-legal-right.aspx Dave Hulsebus Portative Technologies, LLC www.portative.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubquity SR71USB
We do. http://store.wisp-router.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=SR71%2DUSBeq=Tp= 195pcs in stock. /Eje --Original Message-- From: 3-dB Networks Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org To: 'WISPA General List' ReplyTo: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Ubquity SR71USB Sent: Oct 23, 2009 15:59 Anyone know who has these in stock? Thanks! Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] How Priviliged are Emails?
Many states requires just that one party is aware of the recording. Some states require two party. This is why you hear at most places when you call in a recorded message that your call might be recorded. I love the thing about might there is no might or may about it. They all are but rarely reviewed or used. Kansas for example is a one party state so a company that record for quality assurance don't necessary need to state that as long as their employees know. But it gets bit more sticky if someone calls interstate from a state that require two party if a lawsuit is field in the one party state your ok but if the other part files in his state that requires two part and it wasn't disclosed at the start of the phone call then the recording wouldn't be accepted by the court. If you tell during the phone call anything said before the other party was informed would not be accepted in the courts in a state that require two party knowledge. The thing about those silly confidential signatures. they been thrown out more then once in court so just a waste of time. Especially if your not intended recipient if it was sent to your email it was intended for you. What it would protect against is someone that hacked another's account but someone that did that wouldn't be afraid of a silly signature like that plus you would have to catch him as well. So just a waste of time. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: St. Louis Broadband li...@stlbroadband.com Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 22:49:32 To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] How Priviliged are Emails? Note that if the phone call was being recorded right you would not hear anything at all. In the modern IP world there are no clicks to hear. The other party may have had a tape recorder or something analog on their handset, though. Yep, this is where it cracks me up...and a small telco, none the less. V -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 10:39 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] How Priviliged are Emails? If it's going on a public list then it's public information. How are you going to protect prying eyes from this: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ The disclaimer means little to me and is more annoying then anything. Note that if the phone call was being recorded right you would not hear anything at all. In the modern IP world there are no clicks to hear. The other party may have had a tape recorder or something analog on their handset, though. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 10:52 PM, Lists li...@stlbroadband.com wrote: We see these footers stating this information is confidential or if you get this email by mistake. I personally like that one, if you do not who you are sending it to.tough luck. What if there is no 'disclaimer' on a string of emails? No, in confidential comment, can that be repeated? In Missouri we actually can record a voice conversation without informing the other party! I always thought that there had to be that beep warning letting you know.watch out. Recently my conversation was recorded, I know because I kept hearing feedback, come on if you are going to do it do it right. Frankly, I did not care because I wanted my position documented and them being able to rewind and rewind. But imagine this rule and compare it to email. It is hard to do since these rules are regulated on a state level, whereas email is regulated on a federal level. But what say you WISPA, if an email does not have a confidentiality notice is it considered privileged? Victoria Proffer www.StLouisBroadband.com 314-974-5600 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti NanoStation Loco2 (can i use 2 for bridge?)
Loco2 or EOC-1650 if it need to be outdoor units. ECB3220 for if indoor unit is all needed. /Eje --Original Message-- From: Scott Carullo Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org To: wireless@wispa.org ReplyTo: sc...@brevardwireless.com ReplyTo: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Ubiquiti NanoStation Loco2 (can i use 2 for bridge?) Sent: Oct 26, 2009 20:23 I need a 2Ghz bridge from one building to another, about 10 yards. Can I use two nanostation loco 2 radio to do this? I am unfamiliar with the ubiquity radios... Is there something better I should use? I want cheap but more importantly I want to forget its there (reliable). Speed is not important, 5mb throughput more than enough. I usually use Mikrotik but the rb411 board itself is more than the loco2 if it works. Thanks for info. Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Sectoring a tower
That is it. But. You want to make sure. To change your clients if any before changing the ap. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Scott Piehn li...@jcwifi.com Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:04:33 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectoring a tower Kind of embarrassed to ask, but to go 802.11g 10 MHz on MT is just setting 2.4-10? on the Interface Using R52H, or do they not support the correct setting? Scott Piehn - Original Message - From: Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 4:46 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectoring a tower While You are going to Sectors I recommend 802.11g 10Mhz channels. It has changed my life going away from 20Mhz. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Hensley Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 5:39 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectoring a tower Hey Mark. My experience on the Pac 120* H-Pol sectors is that you will come very close to 360* with just two of them. I would stay away from 180's. I think it was the good man Marlin that sent me some info about those a few years back when I considered this and I decided on the 120's. Worked great at very close to 360. You may get some odd lobes and dead space but planned accordingly you can probably cover what you need with just two of them. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark McElvy Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 3:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Sectoring a tower I have one of my towers that has grown to 32 subs, This is a MT ap and I hear that is the magic limit. The only current issue I have with it CPU maxing out at peak times and I am planning a board swap for that. I was also thinking of sectoring but do not feel the need for three. Having a hard time finding a 180 deg HPOL 2.4Ghz sector. Found one that SuperPass sells but the quality does not seem to be there. Mark WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Long 5Ghz link over water
From my understanding from others doing that very thing h pol is far better over water then v pol and I would agree that it would work better with the wave going side to side instead of up and down (less chance of bounced reflection on the water surface causing multipath issues). /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Jeremy Parr jeremyp...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 09:20:58 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Long 5Ghz link over water I have a 23 mile link completely over water that I cannot get stable. One end is approx 200ft AGL, 220ft ASL, the other end is 50' AGL, 90' ASL. Antennas are V-Pol 29dbi grids, radios are R5H cards. I have tried the link at both 5.2, and 5.8, but it still fluctuates dramatically. When the antennas were installed and configured for a 5Mhz channel, I was able to aim them to -55, but still they go down during parts of the day. I have a second antenna hung on the 200ft end, at about 185', connected to a second R5H set up for H-Pol which I am going to light up as soon as I get the other end mounted H-Pol. Any other suggestions for getting this stable? I also notice some strangeness when doing bandwidth tests. I can get a steady 8mbps downstream from the 200ft end to the 50' end, but from the 50' end to the 200ft end, the transfer starts at about 6mbps, then slowly drops down to 0, and the client radio (the 50' end) drops. My assumption is multipath reflections off of the water at the lower end, but I cannot be sure. The water is tidal, with as much as a 3' change from low to high, and is connected to the ocean, so there can be considerable chop and wave action on the surface. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Nintendo and Wii
All new Samsung blueray players also support this. Some models only support Netflix and Pandora but some of them also support Blockbuster and youtube. You also start seing indications of TV devices with this streaming support Samsung again seems to be on the forefront. Streaming Netflix, blockbuster and other new upcoming services will be thing of the future. Netflix figure 1-2Mbit required for standard quality video and 3-4Mbit for HD. At least that is my experience with Netflix. /Eje --Original Message-- From: David E. Smith Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org To: WISPA General List ReplyTo: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nintendo and Wii Sent: Oct 30, 2009 12:26 On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 12:00, Chuck Profito cprof...@cv-access.com wrote: Nintendo said to be integrating Netflix into Wii console Nintendo is developing a way to integrate Netflix streaming into its Wii gaming console, according to a published report. The system could be available by the end of this year, or Nintendo may wait until early 2010, when the company is expected to introduce its new Wii HD console. Xbox 360 has supported Netflix streaming for a while, and Sony just announced a similar feature for the PS3. Also older TiVo units were recently updated to support Amazon Unbox, and newer TiVo units can stream from Netflix/Blockbuster/YouTube. And I think Roku still sells their dedicated Netflix streaming device. We won't even get into crazy niche stuff like Popcorn Hour. I think this just says that people like their streaming media. :) -- David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions
Which we know is true thanks to the antenna patterns that I picked apart a week or so ago that was so kindly provided by Canopy hang alongs. But any unit with a low gain antenna and high gain radio will do the same but Canopy worse but not for itself as long gps synced. /Eje (BTW Using Canopy myself where I'm forced to) Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 18:11:57 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions There's a contradiction in terms if I ever saw one... Canopy can't muck up the airways. Maybe not for itself, but for everything else, yes. Canopy needs high output power because of it's lousy antenna gain, which is what mucks up the airways. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Travis Johnson Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 4:35 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions The exception to the rule would be Canopy. You can't muck up the airways if every single one of your AP's transmits and receives at the same time. So then power does make a difference because you can go through more trees, longer links, etc. Travis Microserv Marlon K. Schafer wrote: EIRP is the TRANSMIT total of BOTH the radio and the antenna gain. So with a 4 watt, 36dB limit at the ap, you can't legally run a 1 watt (30 dB) radio into a 13dB sector. You can only transmit 36-13 or 23 dB (about a quarter watt) with a config like this. And it doesn't take that much power at the base station to do amazing things anyway. I have systems with a total of 28dB (about a half watt) that will deliver 2 to 3 megs to a client 15 to 16 miles away. Point to Multipoint. High powered base stations just muck up the airways anyway. The more power you put out at the AP the more likely you are to have a system that's always fighting your other ap's. Anyway, the question below was what receive level was there to get such good throughput at such a long distance. That's a function of TX power but ALSO antenna gain. I try to build my systems to use antenna gain at the CPE for power vs. high power radios. I wish I had a dollar for every high power system we have talked people into swapping out with low powered systems over the years. Reliability and performance always goes up. I can think of NO exceptions to that rule. marlon - Original Message - From: os10ru...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 8:29 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions Doesn't it stand for effective isotropic radiated power? Isn't your EIRP the same no matter what receive antenna is on the other end? I get your point, to have a sufficiently strong signal at the distant receiver you could lower the transmit power and make up for it with a more effective receive antenna. Respectfully, Greg On Nov 1, 2009, at 11:24 AM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Yeah. People all too often forget that eirp is a RECEIVE number not a TRANSMIT number. All it takes is big, big ears and you can hear the other end from a very long ways away. Makes for much less noise in the area too. I hate the trend toward high power radios with low power antennas. You guys do realize that 2.4, 900 and 5.8 gig bands limit you to a 6 (that's S-I-X) dB antenna if you use a 1 watt (30 dB) radio? Base station especially. For CPE you can use higher gain cpe antennas on 5 gig and still be OK within the rules. But all of these stupid, noisy, wasteful, cpe systems with 1 watt radios and 19dB panels make a mess of your networks. (and mine) marlon - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 10:50 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions 30 dB EIRP with a 44 DBi antenna on each side over 73 miles produces -75 signal. I'll let him say what he did to make it work, but it's certainly possible. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Bret Clark Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 11:02 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions Man...what is the EIRP on these links that people are posting high bit rates? As someone else stated, gotta wonder if the FCC won't start getting suspicious at some point. Travis Johnson wrote: 73 miles... and I get 28Mbps total (14Mbps each direction) using a 20mhz channel. Travis Josh Luthman wrote: Travis is getting 28 megs on a really long backhaul - like 58 miles? You will not see 30. On 10/31/09, Eric Rogers ecrog...@precisionds.com wrote: Ok guys...Looking for both Mikrotik experience and others. We currently have a Mikrotik backhaul between each of our towers using NStreme and we have been extremely happy with the performance. We recently upgraded a tower because we were hitting 15M or so during peak
Re: [WISPA] CPE - who buys it?
My personal opinion is that it would be more attractive if I got the cpe as part of a purchase of a company no matter equipment. On another note I have never had anyone wanting to buy the CPE to get out of a 1 year contract. The only thing preventing people to signup is the 99 install fee is to high but generally all people come back after a few months with the $99 in hand because they couldn't get a better deal and none would consider to pay $200+ or so for install and cpe. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 23:26:45 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] CPE - who buys it? Mike, Fortunately our balance sheet looks awesome too. Let me ask the question a different way: Do you think your company would be more attractive to a buyer if the CPE was owned by the company? On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 10:15 PM, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote: Oh heck no. My balance sheet looks awesome; no debt; positive cash flow. Mike At 03:56 PM 11/8/2009, you wrote: Do you feel it has a negative affect on your companies value if you dont own the CPE? On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 3:50 PM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote: You don't have to pay property tax on the CPE. You don't have to go pick up the device if the customer quits. You can charge the customer for replacement radios. You can offer a value add-on product such as modem insurance. Regards Michael Baird I've always provided the CPE to the end user and retained ownership as part of the service. That was mostly due to the high cost of CPE in the past. With the advent of lower CPE cost, I'm considering changing that to where the customer buys their own CPE. I'd like to hear the pros and cons to this strategy. -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network.
Been discussed before on the list. Basic break down. Netflix exists on pc, mac, xbox, many blue-ray players, some new tv's even and soon also on ps3 and possible even Wii. Standard content from netflix consumes around 2Mbit while their hd can eat up 3-3.5Mbit this is average throughput speeds and they use a buffering technique that causes it to consume as much as it can it seems (well at least 5-6mbit for a period then nothing for a shorter period depending on the device buffering capability). What to do about it well from my assumption of things where you have 2 clients that causes slowness on a 20Mbit pipe your not bandwidth shaping them at all. That would. Be the first step to prevent them to use all available bandwidth. Second I would allow bursting to higher speed but limit long term downloads. In my experience netflix on a blueray player at least will burst for about 20-30sec then do nothing for 10-15sec (I do assume that with higher bandwidth available to it the burst period would be shorter in my testing and usage I only have about 5Mbit available to me. So the bursting needs to be setup in a manner that takes this into account (probably look at a 90-120 second average). Thirdly ensure you have enough throughput capabilities on your network to allow someone to view netflix because you cannot change the bandwidth requirement to do netflix. One thing here is Netflix senses the throughput capabilities and have numerous quality levels of their video feed that requires lower throughput but if there is available enough for full hd quality as they call it, it will eat up about 3-3.5Mbps 5min average. Speeds lower then about 500kbps makes their lowest quality format need to stop and buffer. /Eje --Original Message-- From: Joe Miller Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org To: WISPA General List ReplyTo: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network. Sent: Nov 9, 2009 09:16 Has anyone experienced this yet? From doing research I've found that even Blue-Ray machines have Netflix software on them. I've been getting some calls lately regarding slow Internet at certain times of the day. I've researched what ports Netflix and Hula are using but cannot pin down what ports are being used. If Netflix is using Mpeg 4, then that is using close to 1.5 meg of continued streaming. How does one combat this type of traffic? I have a 20 meg metro E curcuit in place but if I have 1 or 2 customers on a single AP doing streaming, then the other 20 or so customers are calling and complaining about the slow Internet speeds. Regards, WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches
Yes a rb450g works great. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 23:36:24 To: n...@brevardwireless.com; 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches BTW, quick question, anyone out there using Router Boards as l3 Switches ? Thanks. Faisal Imtiaz Computer Office Solutions Inc. /SnappyDSL.net Ph: (305) 663-5518 x 232 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Nick Olsen Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 7:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches This is my main complaint with the 1800-8G and the 1800-24G I've asked procurve to add these 3 features and got a standard we'll think about it answer. 1. Ability to label ports 2. Ability to label vlans 3. Ability to disable a port All very simple requests that can't take much in terms of memory/firmware size to implement. In terms of speed, stability, function other then the above, its a awesome switch. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 7:42 PM To: n...@brevardwireless.com n...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches There are several classes of VLAN switches. I'll use SMC as an example... 1) They have the higher end models that are Full VLAN support that are very intuitive and fully flexible. For example, they'll allow you to label each port in web interface. They fully refer to each ports specifying their Egress and Ingress VLAn support, etc. They allow every thing to be done. But because they are intuitive, in the web interface itself, its easy to configure them without accidentally misconfiguring another clients. They make great switches that will act as both Trunk backbone switches and end location switches. 2) then they have lower end model. They let one do almost everything with VLAN. But they are way less intuitive. And they dont work as well for dual purpose, and tend to work better as a backbone or end location switch. They lack abilty to label ports.They have confusing terminology to enable or disable like VLAN Aware that may not be specific on what VLAN functionality is enabled by making it aware. It usually takes a quick read of the manual before making a config, because the logic is not straight forward. Many Web Switches are like this. SMC and Intellinet have affordable 8 port VLAN switches that are functional, but with the firmware that is equivellent to low end VLAN switches as described in #2 above. But I beleive both have text, SNMP, serial, and Web interfaces, which give them a step up over other basic web switch products. Both models sell under $200, and have atleast 2 Gigabit ports, possibly SPF ports. I just wish someone made a 8 port VLAN switch for the low dollar cost, that had the HIGH END INTUITIVE VLAN firmware, that allowed each port to be labled in software. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Nick Olsen n...@brevardwireless.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 3:07 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches Well, there is the Procurve 1800-8G that is 8 ports gigabit, Management is a little light, but it will do the simple stuff. like vlans and such. They are fanless and we have them on towers, bullet proof all day long. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 2:53 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches I'm looking for suggestions for small (8+ ports) Managed switches. They would be installed in NEMA 4 un-cooled enclosures in the Texas heat. -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] HP to buy 3Com for 3.1bln
That is my take on it and what the author of the article hints about. Cisco started in on the server market earlier this year where HP is big. HP now get more serious about networking and expand product offering. 3com is also pretty successful in China so would assume buying 3com will give HP access and control of 3coms Chines channel as well. HP hitting back against Cisco and 3com might not be the last acquisition in the close future. The fight might just have finished round 2. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 00:42:03 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] HP to buy 3Com for 3.1bln Market share? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 12:38 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] HP to buy 3Com for 3.1bln This was brought up in an IRC channel earlier today no one could answer this question: What does 3com have that prospective buyers want? On 11/11/09, Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com wrote: http://www.reuters.com/article/CMPTRS/idUSN1138008420091112 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Nano Sation 2
Middle next week or at worst end of. Next week. Keep an eye on our twitter page for updates (twitter.com/wisprouter) . /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: D. Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 15:18:01 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Cc: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org; n...@brevardwireless.comn...@brevardwireless.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nano Sation 2 I have been hearing 'bout that '1-2 week period' for about 10 weeks now. Ryan On Nov 12, 2009, at 3:13 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just- micro.com wrote: Wlanparts has it. I also got an email from Ben over at Ubiquiti who says ...the big volumes haven't landed yet...There are some that have hit over the past couple of days, but the big volumes will be hitting in that 1-2 week period. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Nick Olsen Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 5:18 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nano Sation 2 Where from? Or was this a case of Nick not being able to detect internet sarcasm. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 4:10 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nano Sation 2 The boat has arrived..! Shesh I was able to order so much that now I have to find a way to hide it from the wife. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Data Technology Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 10:38 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nano Sation 2 I think they need a bigger boat!! Robert West wrote: Yeah, but I call them by a different name, Microtik411RS2CardPacGridOutdoorEnclosure. It's gotten to the point that my substitute for the NS2 has actually become in use more than what it has been substituted for. *sigh* Word has it they're on the boat. Always on the boat. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 9:25 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Nano Sation 2 Need NS2's anyone have them? Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WINhttp://www.pcswin.com/ RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Servicehttp://www.rcwifi.com/ Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Lists Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 8:47 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Thank You for Your Service! I know that many WISPs are Veterans. I think the business of being a WISP sort of attracts the vets. It is the business of going where no one has gone before, making it work and storming the path. I want to say, Thank you for your Service and it was an honor to serve! To all you USMC vets, Semper Fi! God bless, Victoria Proffer - President/CEO StLouisBroadband.comhttp://stlbroadband.com/ ShowMeBroadband.comhttp://showmebroadband.com/ Rural Missouri Wireless Project. 314.974.5600 * Fax 573.747.4756 Follow us on Twitter.com @stlbroadband SBA Certified WOSB File: ATT1.c OLE Object: Picture (Device Independent Bitmap) --- --- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Data Technology MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --- --- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing
Would be nice if we choose what post to reply to especially when the post is. 7+ days old to begin with and been discussed in detail over that time. Especially when input is just personal opinion and not a solution to a problem. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 16:06:47 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing Shouldn't be any extra time on billing, tracking, analyzing, the billing system that does all of the other automation in the company should do that as well. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Travis Johnson Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 1:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing Marlon, With thousands of wireless users, I think our unlimited eat all you want is working quite well. And I can say we have 5 or 6 competitors (DSL, wireless, cable, licensed Wimax, etc.) so there is no monopoly. You are brining in $1k extra per month... but it would be interesting to see how much extra time is being spent on that system... including the billing, phone calls, tracking, analyzing, etc. You would be better off to just upgrade those higher usage customers to a more expensive monthly plan, and stop worrying about billing for overage. You would make more profit each month by doing so. Travis Microserv Marlon K. Schafer wrote: http://www.odessaoffice.com/services.html We've done this for years. Brandon Checkalets built the software that we use. We bill on usage. Lowish base price, but relatively high overage fees. We bill out about $1k per month in overages. Our average customer does about 4 gigs per month. We have lost a few customers due to this. But they are net negative customers so I don't mind. After all, there are two main goals in business. One, turn a profit, two, make sure your competition doesn't. Loosing someone that's pulling 20+ gigs per month certainly isn't helping my competition's services at all! We just compare the billing mechanism to things people are already paying as they go. Stuff like gas, food, electricity, cell phone minutes, clothes, water, tires, um, everything else in life! If they are really sharp I'll explain how the all you can eat all of the time only works if there is a monopoly with artificially high prices for everyone else. marlon - Original Message - From: Eric Rogers ecrog...@precisionds.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 4:56 AM Subject: [WISPA] Metered Billing We are on the verge of changing to a metered or tiered billing structure with Caps that once they exceed the cap; it doesn't shut off, but they get charged the overage. Netflix is getting out of control and I don't want to punish the customers that only use it occasionally. I think they are very innovative solutions and don't want to hinder new applications. I just want people that download 160 GB in a month, when the average is nearly 10 GB a month, to pay their share for expanding the network. Who has dabbled in the metered/tiered services and what were your customers responses? What are your tiers? Have attitudes changed toward your company as being greedy? We already have everything in place to do it, just need to send out the letter saying we are doing it and why. Eric Rogers Precision Data Solutions, LLC (317) 831-3000 x200 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA
Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5
At one point I was desperate and used some cat3 keystones with cat5 cabling worked fine for some of the short runs I did but one of the runs was almost 100ft and I had to force the network card into 10mbit mode to be able to get any communication going through that link (it would auto neg at 100 but I could get and data through). 6mo later we replaced the computer and couldn't get data com going on the new computer for a long while until I finally remembered that I had used the cat3 keystones and replaced them and things was working again. A Pain in the rear will never do that again. Might be able to make it work NOW but later when equipment is replaced and it isn't working will you remember what you don't and get it working quickly again? Not worth considering in the long run if you ask me. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 12:06:37 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5 Those old phone line units could only do 1Mbps. My question was: Can anyone show me reliable equipment that will do 100Mbps+ on cat 3? Not according to this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category_3_cable or my experience. If such an animal exists, I could use it, which is why I asked. We may be in game of semantics here. Can you get 100Mbps? I suppose a short cable on the bench might do it but not in the field reliably. In my experience, in order to get a reliable connection over cat 3, I had to lock down the switch ports to 10Mbps. I would never claim to know it all but I've been around the block a time or two. The windings are to cancel out EMF which can cause errors that affect speed due to transmission retries. The speed capability of a cable is due to the quality of its wire rating - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category_5_cable and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category_6_cable Obviously, by utilizing more that 2 pair, you can do some interesting things. -RickG On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 12:58 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Phone line is twisted pair and normally 2 pair. Transmit and receive. Can easily do 100mbps. You could even get it to do gigabit with not much effort. No PoE though, no pair for that. HOWEVER, the problems come from the nasty connections everyone including the phone company has made. Most phone line isn't clean like a network cable you would run. Who knows where the hell the splices and rodent chewed ends are at and if they stick with a common wiring scheme throughout the structure. If it was the best option, you could at least test and give up quickly if it fell on its face. There used to be some home networking nics that used the phone lines in the home and you could also use the phones with the things connected. That was in the late 1990's, early 2000. Some Gateway desktops came with them. I never saw them used though. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 12:02 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5 That would be great! But, I cant find anything on the net except references to the standard being 10Mbps: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category_3_cable Any examples? On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 9:38 PM, Kevin Neal ke...@safelink.net wrote: With the right equipment I've heard of gigabit over rusted old barbwire! -Kevin On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 7:32 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: 100Mbps on cat 3? Really? On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 4:12 PM, Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.comwrote: We currently run a Cat5 into the wall then put a jack into the house. My question is since you can get 100MB through a Cat3 which is the same as a phone line why can't we run the connection into their phone line? Most of our customers have cell phone only and their internal wiring is virtually unused. Thanks, Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] T1 pci card
Your not saying what you plan to use the card with. Digium have some nice T1 cards at affordable price and some other are listed on Asterisk supported hardware that are affordable. But none of those are supported by MikroTik or Imagestream. If your using a DIY router running linux you could make those work. Since I know a lot ot people use MikroTik I assume that is what your doing but last I checked there was no new affordable cards supported by MT unless you consider $1k affordable and those cards are since discontinued and only new card I could find that supported that is still sold new is disgusting expensive ($2k+ for single port). /Eje --Original Message-- From: Jason Wallace Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org To: WISPA General List ReplyTo: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] T1 pci card Sent: Nov 18, 2009 10:13 Anyone know where (if?) I can get a PCI card to connect to a T1 for less than the $400 or so I have found on my own? I'd like to Integrate some of my equipment and eliminate a cisco 2610 that's really doing nothing but converting my T1 to an ethernet port. It's no worth $400 to do this however... Jason WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 24dB 2.4 gig grid antennas
Rfantennadesign.com /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 10:15:32 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 24dB 2.4 gig grid antennas I believe Advanced Antenna bought out the old Equinox company, and now it appears they, too, have gone belly-up - or at least the old website is now gone (www.advancedantennainc.com).Perhaps now there's yet another operating under the old brand, or maybe they changed websites and I can't find the new one. Over the years I've used a number of their antennas, and they were by far, the most troublesome I have used. They were even heavier than the pacwireless, and used the same flimsy bracket, with the dipole attached to the BRACKET not the dish, and the L shaped bracket would bend in the wind, leaving the dish and dipole out of alignment.We actually engineered a cable retention system we used on both theirs and PW's large grids to keep them pointed properly in high winds. They finally upgraded to a much heavier gauge bracket, but the design flaw remained. Then sometime later, I bought a boxful of 2.4 samples (from low to high gain), and found they simply weren't worth messing with. 2 out of 5 had bad dipoles - one failed on install, the other failed a few months later.The price was very cheap, however. And, they did appear to have roughly the gain they claimed. I took the dipoles apart and found that the construction was beyond bad. They were just crude and poorly constructed and poorly designed in every way eXCEPT the dipole printed on a PCB, which was very nicely done. THAT was my experience with the Equinox branded antennas. Later, I got quotes from Advanced Antenna, and bought bunch of the j-arm universal mounts, which were great.Upon calling back, I got my call answered by the same guy who used to be at Equinox... They raised the prices of their antennas above pacwireless, so I never bought a thing from them except j arm mounts. Some of the equinox guys left and started their own company, and I recall they had a new name and new location, but I never bought anything from them, since my biggest use of antennas is 5 ghz and theirs cost more than Pacwireless. I no longer recall the name they operated under. Lately, I've used a bunch of Arcwireless panels with the enclosure on the back, and the performance from those has been better than any grids I've used.Not to mention that compex finally got their certifications done a few years ago and that was the antenna of choice :) The 23 db panel gave us better RSSI than a 25 db PW grid for a given distance.The 2.4 panel performance is also very good. We lately used mostly ubiquiti bullets (not hp) for cpe and have gone back to the PW grids, because the standalone panel antenna mounts for Arcwireless totally suck.They're weak, clumsy, and even look strange. THere are two versions of PacWireless 5 ghz grids, there's a wideband and a narrow band.The wideband has an attached pigtail, and is cheaper by a few bucks. We've had a number of them that didn't work right, found some had the beam off to the side, or other quirks, like wildly varying RSSI for small frequency changes.The narrow band ones have no pigtail, but have worked better and more reliably, but we find them VERY hard to waterproof. We've found that some of the pigtails built onto the grids have leaked water right past the shrink wrap. A couple of temporary installs we used just filled themselves with water, which apparently had to come through the sheath of the cable, or through the shrink wrap itself. Still, we keep using them by default, because we haven't found any good alternative. If one of them behaves funny, we just toss it in the van and use it in some location that's real short distance and the gain or odd beam isn't an issue. Still, the water issue was a problem that I am extremely concerned about, though the failure rate has been small and only affects a few recent installs. I got some ignition spec dielectric grease and filled the connector with it and it's been fine ever since... the temp install has now made it through several more driving rainstorms with no issue, when it failed on the FIRST big rain this summer. -- From: 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 9:16 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 24dB 2.4 gig grid antennas Try Advanced Antenna... I've sold a few and have not heard any complaints... have not seen them myself though. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 10:14 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 24dB 2.4
Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic
Shipment is supposed to arrive tomorrow. Cleared customs thursday last week. Was put on truck from CA friday. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 21:15:28 To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic Hey, I have LOTS of UBNT stuff made from unobtanium. Works very well when I'm able to find it. That's quality, boy! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of MDK Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 8:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic Arc wireless makes 20 and 23 db panels and pacwireless makes a 2 and 3 foot solid dish w/dual polarity. Does ANYONE make dual pol sectors for 5 ghz besides UBNT, whose antennas are made of 99 44/100 % pure unobtanium? -- From: Phil Curnutt pcurn...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 5:12 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic Anybody have a suggestion for a 5.8 Ghz Grid Parabolic, Dual Polarity, 24 to 30 dB? Phil WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FreeBSD hackers.... Needed for WISP related product...
Tell that to Alvarion. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 20:36:28 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] FreeBSD hackers Needed for WISP related product... If you are using Atheros based hardware, it's still 802.11... regardless of what software you put on top of it. Travis Microserv MDK wrote: If you're a WISP and have interest in using commodity - off the shelf - Atheros based hardware to achieve higher than ethernet speeds over wireless... This is not a tweak of 802.11, it is a completely different mode... There is currently an opportunity to do so, where most of the work has been done by various others in the FreeBSd community, but it is not integrated or packaged as a useful WISP product, and that's what needs to be done. This does not need to result in an open source release, due to the relaxed BSD license. Or, it can. But I'm looking for some people who have experience with freebsd, and have an interest in integrating what could be an awesome performing product using inexpensive commodity hardware. email me at pda at neofast dot net or mark at neofast dot net -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] suggestions for dual wan dhcp auto fail over
Just change the nat to use the other public ip since your already masquerading just change that rule to src-nat and set the public ip to src-nat to. /Eje --Original Message-- From: Data Technology Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org To: WISPA General List ReplyTo: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] suggestions for dual wan dhcp auto fail over Sent: Dec 1, 2009 15:30 I am trying to configure an rb450 v4.3 to connect to 2 different providers with dhcp using 1 as the primary and the other as a backup. I would like it to switch over to the backup if the primary service is down. I want to nat local users to either service. I assume I will need to use netwatch to check the servcie availability so I can check all the way thru the providers service and not just the local physical connection. The question is what do I need to do when the primary goes down? I thought I could just change the distance on the route but I found out it will not let you change the distance if the default route is set by the dhcp-client. I have looked at some of the examples on the wiki but they all use static ip address and I am wanting to use dhcp. Anyone have any pointers? Thanks LaRoy McCann Data Technology WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Large Monitors with high resolution forMappingPrograms...
On top of it the samsung units play nice together. Got samsung led TV, samsung blueray and a samsung soundbar. And wireless subwoffer. Turn on the TV and sound and tv comes on, select blueray source and blue ray comes on. Don't matter if you use the blue ray remote opr the tv remote. Ahh the relif and ease to make all the cool stuff work ubiquisily. Out of the box on top of everything (getting spoiled with old age) /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 19:33:16 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Large Monitors with high resolution for MappingPrograms... We've moved to Samsung monitors. And the home TV is Samsung too. I LOVE these units. Much much better on the eyes than anything I've ever used short of a good quality CRT. marlon - Original Message - From: AJ aj.grant...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 9:03 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Large Monitors with high resolution for MappingPrograms... I have a pair of 48 Vizio LCDs mounted on the wall for various infrastructure monitoring using the RGB inputs and a dual output card in a Dell desktop. They work pretty well but they both had issues with dim picture after about 3 months... Replaced the power outlet to them and the warrenty replaced both displays. So far so good for the last year or so. Makes it MUCH easier to monitor at a glance critical systems without having to use up more of my primary PC's desktop (tri monitor setup)... Picture attached - we usually have a number of telemetry monitoring applications up... On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 9:53 AM, Brad Belton b...@belwave.com wrote: Agreed, resolution is key for me too. I keep the right monitor open with Wispmon or RadioMobile running or sometimes I just have six or more Winbox windows open on it monitoring client routers etc... I don't know what I'd do without the desktop space I have now and have even found myself looking for more on occasion! We have a projector setup in my brothers office that has decent resolution, but no way I'd want that over my 30 monitors. However, playing any first person shooter game is impressive. LOL! My other brother uses his 1080p 46-47 LCD Vizio on his wall as a second monitor. It's ok too, but again resolution is lacking for much of anything other than network status information or general web browsing. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 10:36 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link I believe there are bigger\better monitors, but I believe you're going up exponentially in price. I know I've seen a DLP projector whose smaller resolution was 3000 or 4000, but it was about $125k. I'd rather have 30 monitors than larger TVs because of resolution, but I'm thinking a large 1080p TV mounted to a wall would make a nice display for a rolling network status presentation (network maps of different parts, server status, network utilizations, etc.). - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 10:23 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link Funny you mention this...yes, viewing RadioMobile or Wispmon on my twin 30 monitors running 2560 x 1600 each makes for a fair amount of playground. grin Hmmm...twin 52 monitors would be nice, but I doubt there is a display larger than 30 that will support 2560 x 1600. Dang it! Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 9:57 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link You mean you don't have a 52 widescreen monitor? Until you get the technology that you are SUPPOSED to have, stop your belly aching just because you can't read 8pt type! :) (Joke) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of rwf Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 1:15 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link WOW! It is expensive. Nearly 3% of the revenue from each customer (assuming approx 35.00 monthly per customer) is a nice hit. And whatever their website is done in, does me in. That initializing that keeps coming up and the small typeface is frustrating. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 11:38 PM To: 'WISPA General List
Re: [WISPA] It's too darn cold!
80+ and sunny here ;) To bad it will not last long. Can see why Gino lives here in the Carribbean. Talk about Gino should past by him shortly ;) (Alright so I'm on vacation on a Disney Cruise to the eastern Carribbean) /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 08:33:20 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] It's too darn cold! It's snowing here! Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 2:07 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] It's too darn cold! It's cold. I spent all day and most of the night working on a tower and my feet are frozen. Time for new boots and the rest of the winter gear.. Anyone have winter gear that they swear by and not AT? I use steel toed boots (lesson learned the hard and painful way) and usually buy whatever looks good, clothing wise, from TSC. Everything is pretty much worn out, time for crap to keep me warm. Ideas so that I don't freeze to death? And gloves! Man, I never have found gloves I could wear AND use my hands at the same time. So as usual Who loves what and who hates what? Thanks. Bob- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT: health insurance
I would say the problems is lawyers. When a skilled good doctor that is nationally renowned as a OB can't make a living as a OB alone yet he is always busy but end up doing plastic surgery on the side because his malpractice insurance is so high (yet never had to use it) but he has to carry it. On the prices I seen the clear opposite. The insurance companies have allowed prices what the doctors can charge. If you don't have insurance you can end up paying full premiums which sometimes can be twice as much as health insurance allowed fees. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 08:26:22 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: health insurance I believe it is the doctors/hospitals causing the issues with high insurance. Here as a good example... True Story: I have two friends that have children that needed/had the same operation. Friend 1 had insurance, Friend 2 did not. They went to the same doctors and same hospitals. Friend 1 with insurance was charged around $40,000 total for the child's surgery. Friend 2, that did not have insurance, told them up front, and the cost was around $15,000 total. There were no complications in either case. I also made a trip to the emergency room a few years ago. I was charged $10 for 1 Tylenol. So something smells awful fishy here. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 23:17:43 -0600 The answer to your first question is our government currently limits where insurance companies can offer their coverage. Open up the entire country to all health insurance companies and you'll see competition increase and prices decrease. This is economics 101, but our elected officials can't seem to get their arms around it...or simply choose not to. Your second question/point is correct. Creating a government option will discourage competition resulting in a single payer system. With a single payer system it is my opinion the cost will go up and the services provided will go down. Without competition I see this as the only outcome. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paul C Diem Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2009 11:05 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] health insurance Correcting the waste is the exact opposite of what a government funded program will do. Honestly, I don't pay too much attention to the news anymore because is gets me too po'ed. Can someone answer a couple basic question I have about this: 1. If the high cost of health care insurance is being caused by the insurance company executives raking in loads of money, why hasn't free enterprises created competition. If all the insurance company A is averaging a profit of $100 billion/year, wouldn't free enterprise generate a competitor that decided to charge 25% lower premiums and still make a great $75 billion/year? 2. I keep hearing that the idea of a federal government sponsored health care insurance program is to create competition in the insurance industry. How can tax dollar funded anything be considered true competition to free enterprises in any industry? Paul C Diem pcd...@foxvalley.net -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2009 10:19 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] health insurance I was against mandatory insurance on vehicles but for reasons of liberty and not that it's an extra tax. Either way I'd have insurance on my vehicles. I would agree that the cost is too high which is for the same reasons our health care is so high. I too have been one of those people that begged not to send me to the hospital because I couldnt afford it. I still ended up there, I still paid several thousand dollars, and thats the way it was. I had absolutely the best care I could ever ask for and I'm still here live kickin for it. Just a lot less savings in the bank. And I still dont want any government plan or their help in any way. What I'm p-o-ed about is why it costs so much. For example, $8 for 2 asperin! As a wise old friend of mine used to say follow the dollar. Thats what needs to be fixed. Then our health care policies will go down but not until the waste is corrected. -RickG On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 10:50 PM, Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com wrote: My wife is from South Africa where they have a public health care system. One of the fastest growing industries is private healthcare. If you want better service or do not want to wait in huge lines or want to go to the newest hospitals you pay extra to visit the private services. That sounds awesome.. Now. where do I get BASIC health care? Cause I am tired of being
Re: [WISPA] EEI 100' Monopole Cell Tower
I have a trylon section 1 2 that I don't need. Anyone need or want I will part with them cheap. /Eje --Original Message-- From: Stuart Pierce Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org To: wireless@wispa.org ReplyTo: spie...@avolve.net ReplyTo: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] EEI 100' Monopole Cell Tower Sent: Dec 8, 2009 21:18 I've come across a good deal on a tower if anyone wants information on it, $15K for this and never erected. I'm looking for Trylon 96'er towers and of course who has the least expensive ones and the closer the better for shipping. spie...@avolve.net Sent via the WebMail system at avolve.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Wind! - RMA on a Mikrotik 411 board, anyone?
Of course it matters who it came from :( because the dist have to pay to send the board back to Latvia and if it's surge damage then we pay to bring the board back again all for a $79 board and it takes generally 3-4 months at best to get them fixed (or returned not fixed because it was deemed surge damage). I'm sure streakwave don't want to pay for the shipping on a board they didn't sell (make any money on) and neither do we. On our invoices you will have the board serial number. If you had the system I'd you could retrieve the key and see whom it was bought from. But I would dare to assume you don't have the key.. Call our RMA line or send a e-mail to r...@wisp-router and the girls will look up your serial number if it came from us and if that is the case take care of your rma. But if the board worked for 4months I would think MT will not warranty it. Now if it was new unused they might. /Eje CTO, WISP-Router, Inc. Follow us on twitter.com/wisprouter Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 20:45:48 To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wind! - RMA on a Mikrotik 411 board, anyone? Turned out to be The 411 card. HUH? I hear ya say. I dunno either. I attacked the cables first thing, replaced the pig tail, the short extension of lmr-400 from the pac grid to enclosure, cat5 to router. Man! Still dead! So I connected my laptop directly into the 411 board and no response. Reset, still nothing. Lights up, gives me one beep but never completes the boot, no cute beep beep of satisfaction. Got it here at home, no manner of resetting gets it, can't get in via serial. Could go with the jtag but I don't want to deal with putting the pins on it. Bummer. Only 4 months old, this one is. Now where did I buy the thing? is what I'm asking myself. MT says to RMA through the distributor but I pick these things up from whoever has the UBNT stuff in stock at the time, I just add to the order. The invoices don't list the MAC ID or serial number, not that I can see. Could be Streakwave, Wlanparts or Wisp-router. I think I bought a few things form Jeffs Soho, might have just been 433's Anyhow, any tips on the RMA on these things? Does it really matter who gets the hit? I'd vote for Streakwave, they're closer. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of MDK Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 1:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wind! The last time I experienced that, it was a bad cable end, where the wind had shaken the last 18 inches of 400 size cable - the distance from the last clamp to the N connector, and the N connector had literally shaken apart. The entire braiding had broken loose and the compression on the foam inner had crushed until the whole cable began creeping out of the connector.It was cold, and even the shrink wrap had cracked, and the tape wrapped over that was just slowly stretching... -- From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 8:12 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Wind! Windy today, supposed to have gusts up to 50mph before days end. I was monitoring some backhaul links, had one bouncing from -72 to -83. Up and down. I'm thinking, uh-oh, got a grid loose someplace, better go fix it now before it gets worse. I go out, first end solid as can be. I even shake the heck out of it, all good. I guess the other end is messed up. Go out, also solid. Look at the laptop, still bouncing. Using pac 28dbi grids with 411 boards R52h cards on both sides. First grid is at 60', second at 100' No trees, heck I can almost see the other end with my naked and cold eye. It's only 4 miles out. Link is normally -72. Maybe junk being tossed up in the wind? That would be a lot ot junk for -10 drop in RSSI I would think. Just sharing. Weird. Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Rocket5 Availability
Rocket5's are on their way. Shouldn't be long now. /Eje --Original Message-- From: Robert West Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org To: 'WISPA General List' ReplyTo: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Rocket5 Availability Sent: Dec 9, 2009 21:52 If anyone is interested, I was on the hunt for some UBNT Rocket 5 M's today and Ben over at UBNT steered me to invictuswireless.com. Never heard of them before but they had some. By some good mistake their site says both that it is in stock and temporarily out of stock so I think no one is ordering but they told me they had them so I clicked and they've shipped. How long has it been since anyone begged for Nano2s??? Man, everyone has scads of them in stock now. Bob- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] One long @#$% day!
As little as 1v with enough currant will kill you. It's not voltage that kills but rather the currant. It takes 200ma to stop your hear but to get that much to the hear you have a lot of resistance to overcome and with only a small amount of voltage you need a lot of juice. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Mike m...@aweiowa.com Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 22:30:12 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] One long @#$% day! 24 volts won't kill you. 25 volts will; with enough current. :-) At 10:00 PM 12/9/2009, you wrote: By low, I was talking about 24 volts. I know the electric company calls 120 volts. My point was I'm not taking a bucket near any electrical power lines, period. Thanks! On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 9:31 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: More people die every year from low voltage than from high. Or so I've been told. But that may not be quite right: http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/docs/98-131/epidemi.html#fig1 Still, far too many deaths from ALL voltages. marlon - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 10:07 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] One long @#$% day! Not near high power lines. With that said, your comments are very good advice and well taken. It wasnt long ago that a co-worker at the electric company I was at was killed up in a bucket. We should all take high power seriously. Thanks! On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 11:04 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: You mean to say that you've never ended up with the bucket or boom in a place that you didn't expect it to get? I sure have! marlon - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 10:13 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] One long @#$% day! On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 10:59 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: - Original Message - From: Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 9:23 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] One long @#$% day! One time, I had to borrow a friends bucket I'll assume you meant bucket truck. The day we bought our bucket truck and brought it home, I took a 3/8 drill bit to about 3 places in the bottom of the bucket to let water out. That's not a good idea. You now give a place for electricity to run through your body if you happen to move between a ground source and an electrical line. I've thought of doing that to my truck, but it's really not hard to just dump the buckets. I've worked for several electric companies and understand the reasoning behind this. But, if you dont use a bucket near high power lines then its not an issue. -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA
Re: [WISPA] MT Surface Mount Mini PCI SLot Source?
If you want call our sales team and they can send you a dead 433 board and you can take the slot of it (all you would need is to pay shipping). However to do that you would need a air rework gun. Done it numerous times, takes about 15-20 min to take the bad one off, remove the working one and solder the good one back. /Eje --Original Message-- From: Robert West Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org To: 'WISPA General List' ReplyTo: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] MT Surface Mount Mini PCI SLot Source? Sent: Dec 10, 2009 11:05 I have a 433ah I dropped a month or so ago from about, oh, a hundred feet... Hitting guy wires all the way down to boot.. Broke one of the ears off the mini pci card nearest the top edge. That slot is now dead for all intents and purposes but the card is still working fine. Anyone know of a source for surface mount mini pci slots that can be used for replacement? Not to worry, I can solder, we're old school. Thanks Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trademark on a color?
When it comes to trademark a color it is very strict and very limited if memory serves me right. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 22:05:51 To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trademark on a color? Imagine, if you will, some nut job (me) who had too much money (not me) and went about trade marking colors for different uses like some people squat on domain names. Could be a mess. Interesting but still a mess. I bet there are safeguards someplace for that. Has to be. I want to trademark the smell of bread. If you want to make bread that smells like bread, you need to pay me a royalty for every loaf. I bet it could partially fly, or at least get me on the Howard Stern show. (gag) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 9:56 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trademark on a color? Deere has Deere green. Ridiculous as it seems it's true. On 12/9/09, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: I was looking through some invoices and just caught that UPS has a trademark on the color Brown. HUH? I guess in the context of a package delivery company it would stick but man, what about shades of brown? So I was thinking, as I randomly do, if I use every primary color in different versions of my logo and trademark them all, wouldn't that leave any other wireless company with no colors to do a darned thing with? Just seems silly to trademark a color. Can I trademark cats? Or smells? Or maybe the smell of a cat? Who would want to. Bob- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Rocket5 Availability
Believe it's all in this shipment that is due in. /Eje --Original Message-- From: Robert West To: e...@wisp-router.com To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Rocket5 Availability Sent: Dec 9, 2009 22:23 Yeah, UBNT said you're getting some late this week, first of next. Hope you have some sectors by the end of the year, have to spend a little more, so says the accountant. :) Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of e...@wisp-router.com Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 9:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rocket5 Availability Rocket5's are on their way. Shouldn't be long now. /Eje --Original Message-- From: Robert West Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org To: 'WISPA General List' ReplyTo: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Rocket5 Availability Sent: Dec 9, 2009 21:52 If anyone is interested, I was on the hunt for some UBNT Rocket 5 M's today and Ben over at UBNT steered me to invictuswireless.com. Never heard of them before but they had some. By some good mistake their site says both that it is in stock and temporarily out of stock so I think no one is ordering but they told me they had them so I clicked and they've shipped. How long has it been since anyone begged for Nano2s??? Man, everyone has scads of them in stock now. Bob- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MT Surface Mount Mini PCI SLot Source?
Ahh well then you got the equipment. We got plenty of un-repairable boards one of these days will have to send them of for recycling. /Eje --Original Message-- From: Robert West To: e...@wisp-router.com To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] MT Surface Mount Mini PCI SLot Source? Sent: Dec 10, 2009 11:55 Can do. I started using Chip Quik for removing SMD's a couple of years ago and gave up the air gun. Still have it, just really liked the Chip Quik. Started using it to remove power surge damaged lan chips from motherboards and now use it for lots of other things. Was a god send for removing laptop power jacks. I've even used it to replace bad flash chips on various boards as well as replace some integrated ram on a laptop. I'll give them a call. Thanks a bunch! Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of e...@wisp-router.com Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 10:44 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Surface Mount Mini PCI SLot Source? If you want call our sales team and they can send you a dead 433 board and you can take the slot of it (all you would need is to pay shipping). However to do that you would need a air rework gun. Done it numerous times, takes about 15-20 min to take the bad one off, remove the working one and solder the good one back. /Eje --Original Message-- From: Robert West Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org To: 'WISPA General List' ReplyTo: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] MT Surface Mount Mini PCI SLot Source? Sent: Dec 10, 2009 11:05 I have a 433ah I dropped a month or so ago from about, oh, a hundred feet... Hitting guy wires all the way down to boot.. Broke one of the ears off the mini pci card nearest the top edge. That slot is now dead for all intents and purposes but the card is still working fine. Anyone know of a source for surface mount mini pci slots that can be used for replacement? Not to worry, I can solder, we're old school. Thanks Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bullet5 was BulletM antennas
Man what are you guys doing talking business on christmas. Shame on you guys. ;) Merry Xmas to ya all. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Nick Olsen n...@brevardwireless.com Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 15:34:20 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bullet5 was BulletM antennas I Have to say, From what I've done with UBNT gear, Its been working really well. And its all very priced very well. MT has some major competition with them in the picture. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net Sent: Friday, December 25, 2009 3:17 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bullet5 was BulletM antennas I actually prefer it that way, though I haven't used AirMax yet. Then you don't have to worry about leaving a CPE stranded if you forget to change the setting. I can't wait for stable firmware and stocking to take advantage of this. I'm seriously considering leaving MT wireless for UBNT wireless (retaining MT for everything else). - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: George Morris ghmor...@candlelight.ca Sent: Friday, December 25, 2009 1:03 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bullet5 was BulletM antennas This is quite confusing that you have no control over AirMAX at the client end. I'm more used to Nstreme where both ends have to be set the same. Saying that, its really cool that you don't have to worry about the client, just shift the AP in and out of AirMAX to suit and the client follows automatically. Its going to be very, very cool once this firmware becomes just a little more mature. We already have customers hanging off a Rocket sector / Nano 5M client that are getting 36Mb symmetrical into a speedtest.net server in Montreal. The big challenge now is to find an Internet speedtest server capable of reliably delivering real readings to the customers. A nice problem to have. Merry Christmas to all of you and a happy, healthy and prosperous New Year!! George -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, December 25, 2009 10:48 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bullet5 was BulletM antennas I tried it both ways but probably missed the settign when I had the BM5 in AP mode. Will retry. Thanks! -RickG On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 12:26 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: If the Bullet 5M is in station mode then you won't have the AirMax option, only if it's in AP mode. So, if you are not in AP mode on the 5M then AirMax isn't an issue. Have you tried setting the 5M as the AP the NS5 as the client? That's if you are doing this on the bench.. :) Make sure you have the firmware up to date on the NS5 as well. All the ones I've been installing are the M5 as the AP. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, December 25, 2009 12:12 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bullet5 was BulletM antennas Not finding that. See attached. Do you have version5? I note in the ubnt forums says you cant disable it. Aslo attached. -RickG On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 11:55 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: In the Advanced tab you'll see Enable AirMax. If it's not checked then it's off. If it's on, you won't even see the SSID of the newer units from the old, at least I haven't been able to. But I've been connecting my older NS5's to the newer stuff with no problem but I've only been using 20mhz channels. Are you doing 20mhz or 10? Try doing a plain vanilla config on both sides and see if you can connect. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 11:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bullet5 was BulletM antennas Trying to get a bullet5 to connect to a Bullet5M. Not much luck. How do you turn off TDMA? -RickG On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 10:53 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: I'm confused. Will it connect to a AirGrid 5 or maybe a NanoStation 5M? The older Bullet 5 will connect to them but AirMax has to be turned off because the older equipment doesn't support TDMA. Sucks. I heard that the older could run TDMA but it's too much for them to be stable. At least that's the story. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 10:35 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Bullet5
Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear
You can use MikroTik and be legal. Anyone say any different either don't understand the rules or checked the approved certs or is just spreading FUD. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Ralph ralphli...@bsrg.org Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 20:05:50 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Cc: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear We have successfuly used ubiquiti nano and power stations as injection radios for numerous tripod and cisco mesh systems. No problems. Of course I have used canopy for it too- no real difference in the end performance. Would not use Mikrotik for any RF due to our desire to stay legal. On Dec 30, 2009, at 7:05 PM, Charles Wu c...@cticonnect.com wrote: I find these comparisons of products like Ubiquiti / Mikrotik vs. Motorola / WiMAX products to be somewhat unrealistic -- it seems to me that it's like comparing something that's hypothetical and looks good on paper and hoping that it will actually work Here's my question; sure, on paper, the new Ubiquiti WHATEVER will give me a Gazillion Mbps with Beamforming and everything for $10 -- but has anyone actually made this stuff work and scaled it into a profitable business? Many of the WISPs that I've talked to who gone down this path have had to upgrade / replace / retool their networks due to the fact that these systems don't scale The one WISP that I know using Ubiquiti / Mikrotik with several thousand customers is only using them as endpoints on a Bel-Air Network Mesh infrastructure that they spent almost $1 million building out It reminds me of the Asterisk vs. Broadsoft / Metaswitch VoIP debates from a couple of years back -- sure, Asterisk was free while a Broadsoft platform had an entry cost of $250k, but I know of tons of Broadsoft providers who support tens of thousands of customers for hosted PBX, and the only guy I know doing it on Asterisk ended up spending over $500k hiring a custom programming team in Russia to rebuild the system for him from scratch (he was joking to me that in hindsight, it would've been cheaper and a lot easier to just buy a Broadsoft) I would like to be proven wrong here...so shoot =) -Charles --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Blackberry email problems
Works nice for me but on our server that is. /Eje --Original Message-- From: Matt Larsen - Lists Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org To: WISPA General List To: Motorola Canopy User Group ReplyTo: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Blackberry email problems Sent: Dec 30, 2009 17:43 We have some customers complaining that they cannot retrieve their emails from our mail server with their Blackberries. The calls started on Monday, and my tech determined that we had about 2000 connections a week coming from RIM, but on the 26th they stopped completely. No changes were made on our system at all that would have caused this problem. Just checking to see if anyone else has the same issues. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] ATT and T-Mobile Complete Network Upgrades
Talk about inflated numbers on people reached on the 3G networks. T-mobile supposedly upgrading or soon will be in our area to EDGE (currently only getting GPRS). While ATT in our area only supports currently EDGE with no indication of 3G available in near future (my understanding there are currently not even on the road map for 3G in our area) and here they are talking about finishing upgrade to HSPA7.2 and work towards HSPA+ Ohh well. My Blackberry got wifi and supports UMA so don't care that much about 3G or HSPA. Got a 3G wifi AP for when I'm on the road so don't pay hotel wifi rates. Guess faster speeds those times are nice. /Eje --Original Message-- From: Jack Unger Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org To: WISPA General List ReplyTo: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] ATT and T-Mobile Complete Network Upgrades Sent: Jan 6, 2010 11:58 Article - http://www.wirelessweek.com/News/2010/01/Carriers-AT-T-T-Mobile-Network-Upgrades-AT-T-T-Mobile/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Network Design - Technical Writing - Technical Training Serving the Broadband Wireless, Networking and Telecom Communities Since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Burnt CPE from House Fire
Sorry. Guess great minds think alike ;) lol Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 13:06:05 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Burnt CPE from House Fire Oh well, Eje beat me to it, lol. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 08:03:34 -0600 Only if you get caught? ;) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jayson Baker Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 8:02 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Burnt CPE from House Fire Isn't that fraud? On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 11:03 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Gives me an idea old lightning zapped cpe's find a house fire. Offer owner of house free installation of 6 or 7 or whatever number messed up units one may have, after the fact of course... Dang shame, house burned down and all burned up them 47 CPE's and cisco router... Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 12:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Burnt CPE from House Fire So far I've had this happen twice. Both times the customers volunteered to turn it into their insurance. -RickG On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 11:38 PM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: Lost our first CPE from a house fire. Guy was so down on the phone, I couldn't bear to bother him with an insurance claim on the CPE. What have you done? Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com mailto:ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Collections
Small claims works great for LLC and partnership type companies as long the cost is less then $2000. In the past we have done so with great success the hardest part can be to figure out the address to have the Sheriff or Police serv them the court papers. But once served and they don't show up it's a slam dunk win. We also had no problem winning a reasonable fee for court filing and time to do it. However as a Incorporation you do not have this option any longer. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: lakel...@gbcx.net Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 19:50:38 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Collections Can't you just save them all up and go to small claims court? Make one trip and don't share any money with anyone. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 13:29:44 To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Collections What do you guys pay for people to do collections? I was complaining about people that owe me money to someone I know and she volunteered herself to do the work. I guess she used to work for a collections company and was quite effective. I'm assuming a percentage of what she collects, but what percent? 25%, 50%, 75%? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Was Tower Accident: In Memoriam
When climbing tower you should always have at least 4 points contact with the tower at all times. So when moving hands and feet you should have two fall arrestors attached to the tower neither of them on he same rung. When moving the fall arrestors both feet should be stationary and one hand attached to the a different rung then the fall arrestor if possible. Also always use a body harness never a linemans belt. A human body is top heavy if you slip and fall you risk ending up upside down and if you are knocked unconscious you will risk slipping out of a line mans belt. Climb safe. 100% tie off. Always have 4 point contact with tower and always wear body harness and inspect it, fall arrestors and lanyards for damages and fraying. If equipment is start getting frayed throw it away. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: John McDowell j...@boonlink.com Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 16:32:37 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Was Tower Accident: In Memoriam Saw this on ComTrain's site. Notice Jonathon Guilford...he was the guy in the Dateline special from our hometown of Fort Payne. His brother Harold now works for me. One of these deaths was from 8 feet, by the way...just goes to show...100% tie off no matter how high. http://www.comtrainusa.com/news-topmenu-19/1-latest/90-memorial -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 j...@boonlink.com www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail j...@boonlink.com, and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the source, please contact the sender directly. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [isp-wireless] FM radio station site strangeness
There are fiber cables that comes with built in low voltage wires for poe applications. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 09:14:44 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] [isp-wireless] FM radio station site strangeness hmmm, I guess if it comes to that marlon - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: WISPA General List Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 8:47 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [isp-wireless] FM radio station site strangeness You run both. CAT5 to carry just the power and fiber to carry the data. We just did this exact thing with our Trango APEX 18ghz radios at our FM repeater. Worked perfectly. (Of course, that radio was made to handle fiber already, so it was pretty easy). Travis Microserv Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Yeah. How do you run poe over the fiber? marlon - Original Message - From: os10ru...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 9:21 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [isp-wireless] FM radio station site strangeness Is using fiber-optic cable out of the question? Greg On Jan 9, 2009, at 11:28 AM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Thanks Mike, The change to 10 meg half doesn't help. In fact, most devices won't connect at all then. The worst part is that the most expensive gear is most effected by this! ug I have installed ferrite beads that do indeed help. Apryl can get you the contact info and part number. 509.982.2181 The shielded cable from Shierene just came in. And I have permission to move to the other side of the building. When the snow melts and the ground firms up I'll rebuild the entire site. The radio station has a new transmitter since I first went into the site and another tenant recently left. I have more location options now than I did before. Yesterday I did some testing with a Fluke DTX. It's a crazy meter. Checks just about everything. As it well should for $7000. Know what it doesn't check very well though? Inductive RF. gr There is one test that showed some problems though. It's called an inductive pulse. Readings at another tower I have (and the tech support guy at Fluke) were 0. This tower had a reading of nearly 3000! Fluke is supposed to find out what an acceptable level would be and send that info to me. I've not heard from them yet though. The tech's guess was around 30mV. I did think it strange that when I tested my cable with a volt meter (one end to ground, the other to the connectors on the cat5) I was picking up 2 to 3 volts on each pin. That pretty well seems to line up with the 3000mV reading from the fluke! This site has always been a source of grief for me. Must less reliable than nearly any other I have, no matter what equipment is used. I always thought it was due to all of the other operators in the area (one's been fined by the FCC for using illegal amps etc.) doing silly things. Though nothing THAT bad has ever showed up on my analyzer. I always thought it was something that only the customer end could see (couldn't find that on the analyzer either though). Maybe my problem has always been the radio station stuff. Wouldn't that be great? FINALLY, a network reliable enough to allow me to take a vacation. grin laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Mike Cowan ispwireless-li...@wirelessconnections.net To: isp-wirel...@isp-wireless.com Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 1:40 AM Subject: RE: [isp-wireless] FM radio station site strangeness Hi Marlon, It looks like you are on your way to solving this. To get by until then you might want to try locking the Ethernet side to 10MB 1/2 duplex. FM radio runs around 100mhz at high power levels, well so does a 100MB Ethernet connection, it communicates at 10mhz. 10MB 1/2 runs at 66mhz I believe. Fixing it is really black magic however. Sometimes grounding helps, sometimes it is better without. Many have placed the cable in conduit, with mixed success. I would be very interested if the ferits help, we have tried a few with inconclusive results, but have not found a quality unit to test with either. Mike Mike Cowan Wireless Connections A Division of ACC 166 Milan Ave Norwalk, OH 44857 419-660-6100 419-706-7348 Cell 419-668-4077 Fax mi...@wirelessconnections.net www.wirelessconnections.net -Original Message- From: Marlon K. Schafer [mailto:o...@odessaoffice.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 10:47 AM To: isp-wirel...@isp-wireless.com Cc: isp-wirel...@isp-wireless.com Subject: [isp-wireless] FM radio station site strangeness Hi All, I think we finally have this all figured out. Now I just have to figure out how to fix it. ___ The ISP-WIRELESS Discussion List ___ To Join: mailto:join-isp-wirel...@isp-wireless.com To Remove: mailto:remove-isp-wirel...@isp-wireless.com Archives: http://isp-lists.isp
Re: [WISPA] www.att.com/towers
Most tower companies that deal with cell carrier are rip offs. One company I talked with wanted a minimum 500/mo and a 2k engineering fee. All I wanted was a omni around 150ft up in their 180ft tower and a small backhaul panel that could be at 80ft (18x18 panel). I offered $300 a month that is more then $1/ft per antenna and asked for a waiver or reduction of the engineering fee. No go. Other companies same thing. So don't even bother with those companies any longer rather deal with farmers and private tower owners. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Eric Rogers ecrog...@precisionds.com Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 14:04:31 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] www.att.com/towers I priced space for 3 sectors and 2 backhauls. They wanted $1600/mo. I built my own tower next to it... ;) Eric -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 10:34 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] www.att.com/towers I would only assume they are, but has anyone worked with them before? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 12:23 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] www.att.com/towers No, I just thought it was interesting that all of their tower locations are listed. I did not know they are as bad or worse than American Tower. __ Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 9:26 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] www.att.com/towers Ever price them? -RickG On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 8:54 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: FYI http://www.att.com/towers www.att.com/towers Jerry Richardson VP Operations 925-260-4119 P Please consider the environment before printing this email -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mac Dearman
Our thoughts are out to him and his wife. Hope he recovers well. /Eje --Original Message-- From: Matt Larsen - Lists Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org To: WISPA General List ReplyTo: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Mac Dearman Sent: Jan 11, 2009 20:52 Our good friend and fellow WISP operator Mac Dearman is in the hospital after suffering chest pains on Saturday. It was determined that he did have a heart attack and he will be undergoing further tests tomorrow at the hospital in Shreveport. Please send your thoughts and prayers to Mac and his family right now. Mac is a great friend and a true American hero - lets help him get through this. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] www.att.com/towers
All is good if the market can support it. But in my case the tower I mentioned don't even have close to 200 house holds within sight of it. 100 at best that we could service and assuming 50% sign up rate of all households within reach I think we would do very good. So 500 for 50 or so customers means 10 tower cost. Not factoring engineering cost or cost of rent on backhaul tower upstream to feed this remote tower. At 500/mo and 2k engineering fee in this area was just not economically feasible. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Chuck Hogg ch...@avolutia.com Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 08:14:34 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] www.att.com/towers We do this as well, however some of these commercial towers that we are serving off of, have over 200 customers. $500/mth is worth it for a tower producing $10k/mth is it not? Some of these locations we also have grain legs that are in the same vicinity, and we have about 70 customers already on them. We recently applied for our CLEC/PSC license within the state. My goal is to now build out a mesh type of network (not really) but we are planning to put in telephone poles in our densely populated areas using public easements. Hand off customer locations from the telephone poles, and backhaul it to our primary towers. This does two things, increases our density/availability in the market, but it also increases the number of customers per actual tower. 10 customers per pole, 20 poles per sector, in theory 600 customers per tower location. The poles are going to cost about $500 a pole (new), and $300 to get it set. $300 in electrician work, and 700 in equipment to serve off of it. So around $2k to put in a new pole, and we plan on doing about 40 of them over the year. Then we only pay $7/mth for electricity per pole. We are also adding Vecima WiMax to the mix this week, we'll see how it goes. My point was just to see if WISPA as an organization had a go to person at any of these companies. It might be worth it if WISPA went to the companies to get someone as a go to person. Regards, Chuck Hogg Avolutia, LLC (502) 722-9292 www.avolutia.com www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of e...@wisp-router.com Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 11:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] www.att.com/towers True. I tried to explain that for what we did and the type of market and the location of the tower we couldn't afford paying that much but also tried to explain that later on we might want to add some antennas to relay signals elsewhere. Ended up giving up on the since they wouldn't budge and I did make an arrangement with a farmer with a 120ft grain bin that was actually at a better location and a much better deal. The local farmer is very happy we are happy and the none local tower company is oblivious and lost their chance. I can reach anywhere I want to with this tower that I would on their tower. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 23:31:50 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] www.att.com/towers I gotta agree with Blake. Many of the big tower companies are good to WISPs, once they know you, and understand your business. Its just a long road, getting to that stage. Just like any business, sales reps want to feel out the opportunity with a client, and start out high, with the add-on fees,without discounting. What I find is that, there is a minimum dollar amount to make it worth their time to talk to you. Think about it, if they take ATT's call, they have the potential to sell 100s of towers and antennas colos. They take your call, and they have limited potential to measilly few hundred bucks, and its the same amount of work to write up the contracts. I believe Eje' situation was a side effect of not asking to colocate enough antennas in teh transaction. $300/1 antenna is a lot, but its feasible that the same tower company might have given him 5-8 antennas for $500, if he pushed for it. Most tower's have free empty space, and the candidates to buy it are shrinking. ONce they understand you business model, and understand its not cost justified for you to pay carrier price, they'll usually come down to something fair. But I think the same way... Its a hassle dealing wit htower companies, jsut because of all the legal details and time involved. I'd hardly justify spending the negotiating time myself, for just an Omni install. If you want a pack of gum, you don't go to the Hechts at the mall. Its to time consuming to get in and out of there. Instead, you go to the local 7 eleven. When you want to scale an operation and install a lot of antennas, you NEED the tower companys. And its worth paying them for the benefits it offers. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL
Re: [WISPA] Imail Server Upgrade Trouble
There is a tool in the imail folder I be damned if I recall the name of it but it is to convert from old mailbox format to new format. It might do the trick. Unfortunately I'm driving so can check for you. I found out about it when I converted from Imail to SmarterMail. Which btw might be a product you might want to check out. To purchase it is almost cheaper then your yearly Imail maintenance agreement plus much better feature and have a webmail system that allow users to control to some degree their own spam settings and have good enterprise capabilities including blackberry calendar and contacts sync and easy shared contacts and calendar. Imail webmail does NOT handle mailboxes with some special characters that you might have created through imap. When you log in it just sits there until it finally times out. We been plagued by this for a long time and they never fixed it. Also SmarterMail comes at no additional charge with good/better spam filtering and virus screening and you can use a Linux box with spamassassin to assist with spam filtering. If you can not find the tool then check on smartermail how to convert from Imail to SmarterMail it's in the instructions. /Eje --Original Message-- From: John Scrivner Sender: To: WISPA General List ReplyTo: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Imail Server Upgrade Trouble Sent: Jan 18, 2009 11:52 We upgraded our Imail server this morning from version 8.15 to the latest release of Imail version 10. In the process our web interface has decided to ignore our mailboxes. If anyone out there has some experience with troubleshooting mailbox rebuilding issues in Imail then please call me at 618-237-2387 as soon as you read this. Your help is appreciated. Thank you, John Scrivner WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Imail Server Upgrade Trouble
Yay. ;) hopefully my second suggestion help you out. /Eje --Original Message-- From: David E. Smith Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org To: d...@mvn.net To: WISPA General List ReplyTo: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Imail Server Upgrade Trouble Sent: Jan 18, 2009 16:41 The Imail upgrade issue has been resolved (in case anyone's curious, it was an odd IIS permissions problem). David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Test (please ignore, no response required)
Dully and dutifully ignored ;) --Original Message-- From: David E. Smith Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org To: WISPA General List ReplyTo: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Test (please ignore, no response required) Sent: Jan 18, 2009 17:07 Just finishing up a couple things on the misbegotten new mail server. Please ignore this message. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Really Simple Mikrotik shaping?
I like to do both. Preference is pppoe but if they don't have a router we do dhcp. But with todays radios we often set the radio up to do pppoe. One of the nice thing with pppoe is its easy to segregate the clients and firewall them and quickly track down an virus infected user and prevent clients from infecting each others as well track bit usage on traffic between clients as well limit bandwidth utilization between two clients on the same ap no way to do with dhcp. Also easier to add more ips on a site since pppoe uses /32 networks for client ip assignments. So you do not have to route a complete subnet to the area just have a central pppoe pool and have ospf route things where it needs to go. /Eje --Original Message-- From: David E. Smith Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org To: WISPA General List ReplyTo: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Really Simple Mikrotik shaping? Sent: Jan 20, 2009 11:05 Jeremy Davis wrote: I really don't get the love affair with PPPOE; I assume there's something I'm missing, and I've always been curious as to what. There is a lot of cool things you can do with radius / pppoe systems, change an IP if they haven't paid which can redirect customers to non-payment portals, use radius to dole out IP address ranges, authentication, encryption, and automatic bandwidth rules via MT's. These are just a few of the cool things can result with PPPoE / Radius systems. Like David said all of these things can be done without PPPoE but it is a lot easier to control the customer from an external system with these things in place. I just don't see which of those you can't do with simple DHCP and RADIUS, and that's a lot easier for the customer. The customer doesn't have to set up a PPPOE client on their PC or router or Xbox 360 or whatever dumb network appliance they just bought for seventeen bucks on eBay; they plug it in, it magically works. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Microtik Remote Weirdness
Consider the volume we sell I will have to disagree. We see no more RMA rate now then a year or two ago and in fact less then some manufacturers estimate about 1 to 2% rma rate. Consider how they grown and managed to get price down I'm surprised its not more/higher. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 12:19:48 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Microtik Remote Weirdness Moreover, I suspect the overall quality of Mikrotik hardware is not very good and it's getting even worse. To begin with they're not the best by they are far from not very good in my opinion. As far as progression, though, they have majorly improved. The RB4xx series is BY FAR superior to the RB1xx and RB5xx boards. I think the 532s were absolute junk, while the 1xx were decent. The 4xx has been flawless in my area. I have had no DOAs and only one hit by lightning. No random failures! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 12:00 PM, Paolo Di Francesco difrance...@teleinform.com wrote: Hi Forbes, good news and bad news. Let me start with the good news. You are not alone! The bad news is the same of the good news, lately, we are having a lot of problems on the ethernet. It looks like the ethernet port has a lower speed (like 200Kbps) or that you cannot even log in it. Does it sound familiar to you? On some site, it can be some EM field close to you. That's why when you try it in your lab everything works magically. You are out of that EM field, and the interference is gone. Even using shielded cable does not help, because it could attenuate the effect not fix at 100%. Moreover it depends if the shield is grounded to the metallic shell of the box, etc. Moreover, I suspect the overall quality of Mikrotik hardware is not very good and it's getting even worse. Suggestions: 1) try shielded cable 2) try some ferrule on the shielded cable 3) test electrical continuity of the circuit from the cable plug on one side to the box (other side) 4) change power supply 5) if you are using an inject/splitter, change it Let us know! Thank you. We have a tower with a single radio operating on it. We were using a Microtik 133 board with a single Prizim chipset in it. One day it stopped responding to requests through the network using Winbox. No customers were down so we assumed it was running bandwidth (too much snow to travel up there). One night about 7 PM we started getting tower down calls, of course we hadn't been able to ping or get into it for weeks so we had no idea. Took a back-up 433AH board up and used the same radio card, worked like a charm for both our access and customer throughput. We didn't want to waste a three port/LAN board so ordered a 433a single port board. Once it arrived we logged into it by MAC in the office with no problem, programmed it and sent it up to the tower. Once on the tower customers associated just fine but once again we couldn't access the management side. We saw the MAC and the identity for it but we couldn't ping that IP (yes, the 433AH radio was unplugged) and trying to load by MAC would start the RouterOS download but at various places it would crash. Moved the 433A down to the hut and a laptop easily logged into it, even when plugged into the switch, but we still couldn't log into it from remote, although the laptop on scene was going through the same switch and by MAC just like we were trying, sigh. OK we put the 433AH back in service and again everything worked great. I'm stumped, we isolated the switch, Cat 5, and IP Address but those two single cards won't allow us to log in over using Winbox either by IP or by MAC while it allows it locally. *banging head against the wall. Any ideas? Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Teleinform S.p.A. Sede Legale: Via Francesco Paolo Di Blasi 1, 90144 Palermo Unita' Operativa: Via Regione Siciliana 49, 90046 Monreale Tel: +39-091-6408576, +39-091-6404501 Fax: +39-091-6406200 http://www.wikitel.it http://www.teleinform.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet5 review...
Last time I looked there where no commonly used devices for laptop that do polling. For internal public network to serve pda's, laptops etc your only option is WiFi and it is do able to support a lot of those users just have to design it right. Each unit has it purpose and place canopy et al right now do not have a position in the laptop market. Would be funny to see a conference where people walk around with canopy units attached to their laptops for internet access and searching for power outlets to power them. Lol. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 08:19:18 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet5 review... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Network tower cam
Look into Trendware they have some pretty decent low cost pretty decent quality ones with good functionality. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 22:45:04 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network tower cam Well that means I'm still looking for a simple network camera =) If you're afraid to be targeted as one of those Myspace Men just shoot it off list =P Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 10:38 PM, 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net wrote: Yeah they are not necessarily cheap lol. We used them as a security solution... not really a webcam for our customers Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 8:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network tower cam Those look to be way more elaborate then our goal. We simply want images (or possibly even video if it is flash) on our website. On 1/22/09, 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net wrote: Our website is still under construction (I guess that's what we are calling it) Check them out here: http://www.inscapedata.com/airgoggle.htm Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 8:04 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network tower cam If I click IP Cameras on your products page I get 0 results on a search page :/ On 1/22/09, 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net wrote: Inscape Data... we used them on our towers. We sell them too ;-) Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 6:26 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Network tower cam We are interested in putting a camera up on a tower to get some we're 700 1337 4 u feel. I do want a PoE/Ethernet one - no coax/analog cameras! Does anyone have suggestions? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 awo+IEVhY2ggdGltZSBwZW9wbGUgY29tcGxhaW4gYWJvdXQgdGhlIGxhY2sgb2YgaGln aC Bz cGVl ZCBpbnRlcm5ldCBhY2Nlc3MgaXQgCj4gaXMgcXVpdGUgZGVwbG9yYWJsZSBpbmRlZWQg aW Yg dGhl cmUgaXMgbm8gYWNjZXNzIHRocm91Z2ggZWl0aGVyIGRzbCBvciAKPiBjYWJsZSBwcm92 aW Rl cnMg YXZhaWxhYmxlIGluIHlvdXIgYXJlYS4KPiBIb3dldmVyLCBpZiBlaXRoZXIgb25lIG9m IH Ro b3Nl IHNlcnZpY2VzIGNhbiBiZSBvYnRhaW5lZCB0aHJvdWdoIHlvdXIgCj4gbG9jYWwgcGhv bm Ug Y29t cGFueSBvciBjYWJsZSBwcm92aWRlciBpdKGmcyBub3QgdmVyeSByZWFzb25hYmxlIHRv IA o+ IGNv bXBsYWluIGFuZCBleHBlY3QgY2FibGUgdG8gYmUgc3RydW5nIHRvIHlvdXIgaG9tZSBz by B5 b3Ug Y2FuIGVuam95IAo+IGhpZ2hlciBpbnRlcm5ldCBzcGVlZCByZWxhdGl2ZWx5IHRvIHdo YX Qg RFNM IGNhbiBwcmVzZW50bHkgb2ZmZXIgaW4gdGhlIAo+IFVTQSB3aGlsZSBzdGlsbCBjb21w bG Fp bmlu ZyBhYm91dCA1MCBkb2xsYXIgcGVyIG1vbnRoIHByaWNlIHRhZyBpbiBzcGl0ZSAKPiBv Zi B0 aGUg ZmFjdCB0aGF0IGl0IHdvdWxkIGNvc3QgdGVucyBvZiB0aG91c2FuZHMgb2YgZG9sbGFy cy Bv ciBp biBzb21lIAo+IGNhc2VzIGh1bmRyZWRzIG9mIHRob3VzYW5kcyBmb3IgY2FibGUgY29t cG Fu aWVz IHRvIGRvIGl0IGluIG1hbnkgcGxhY2VzLiAKPiBGb3IgaG93IGxvbmcgd291bGQgeW91 ci Bt b250 aGx5IHJhdGUgb2YgNTAgVVNEIHRha2UgdG8gZGVmcmF5IHRoZSBjb3N0IG9mIAo+IGlu c3 Rh bGxh dGlvbiBmb3IgY2FibGUgY29tcGFuaWVzPyBUaGV5oaZyZSBpbiBidXNpbmVzcyBvZiBn ZW 5l cmF0 aW5nIAo+IHJldmVudWUgZm9yIHRoZWlyIHNoYXJlaG9sZGVycyBhbmQgYXJlIGluZGVl ZC Bw cml2 YXRlIGVudGVycHJpc2VzIHJhdGhlciAKPiB0aGFuIGNoYXJpdGllcyBhbmQgdGhlaXIg cH Jp bWFy eSBvYmxpZ2F0aW9uIGlzIHRvIGdlbmVyYXRlIHJldHVybiBvbiAKPiBzaGFyZWhvbGRl cq Gm cyBp bnZlc3RtZW50Lgo+IEluIHRoZW9yeSwgQURTTDIgKHVwIHRvIDI0IG1icykgdGhyb3Vn aC Bj b3Bw ZXIgbGluZXMgaXMgcGVyZmVjdGx5IGFibGUgdG8gCj4gbWF0Y2ggYW5kIGV2ZW4gZXhj ZW Vk IHR5 cGljYWwgMTAgb3IgMTUgbWJzIHBsYW5zIHRoYXQgYXJlIHVzdWFsbHkgb2ZmZXJlZCAK Pi Bi eSBj YWJsZSBjb21wYW5pZXMuIEluIHJlYWxpdHkgZHNsIHNpZ25hbCBpcyBzZW5zaXRpdmUg YW 5k IHRo ZSBsb25nZXIgdGhlIAo+IGRpc3RhbmNlIGZyb20gdGVsLiBjby4gbmV0d29yayBjZW50 ZX Ig KGRz bGFtKSB0aGUgc2xvd2VyIGl0IGJlY29tZXMuIEFEU0wyIAo+IGlzIGEgdHlwZSBvZiB0 ZW No bm9s b2d5IHdoaWNoIGlzIHF1aXRlIHBvcHVsYXIgaW4gU291dGggS29yZWEuIEl0oaZzIG5v dC AK PiB0 cnVlIHRoYXQgZXZlcnlvbmUgaW4gS29yZWEgaGFzIGZpYmVybGlua3MgdG8gdGhlaXIg aG 9t ZXMu IER1ZSB0byAKPiBwb3B1bGF0aW9uIGRlbnNpdHkgaXQgaXMgd2h5IHVubGlrZSBpbiBB bW Vy aWNh IEFEU0wyIGRvZXMgd29yayB2ZXJ5IHdlbGwgCj4gYW5kIGlzIGEgcHJhY3RpY2FsIHNv bH V0 aW9u
Re: [WISPA] bonding
I do believe you would be able to use an Imagestream. If memory serves me right they do support mlppp. I'm sure Jeff can correct me if I'm wrong. /Eje --Original Message-- From: Travis Johnson Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org To: WISPA General List ReplyTo: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] bonding Sent: Jan 23, 2009 11:22 Hi, We currently provide DSL service using Qwest. We are a megahost provider, meaning we have a DS3 directly to Qwest, and then we can sell DSL circuits using our bandwidth, etc. In the past, we have been able to bond multiple DSL lines using a Cisco router on the customer side and then using Cisco's CEF protocol. This provides a true bonded connection, because it does a per packet load balance. Is there a better solution? I have to use a Cisco on our NOC side, but I would prefer to find something cheaper. Any ideas on what protocol may work? MLPPP or ? Travis Microserv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP?
Just curious what issues do you see, what version are you using. Running the experimental routing package? Are you using MikroTik only or are you exchanging OSPF routing with other devices? I used OSPF and mikotik for a long time and except for a few bad revisions it has been rock solid. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Paolo Di Francesco difrance...@teleinform.com Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 17:23:33 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP? Hi Travis to be honest mikrotik routing is not working well, and we are far from being happy about the OSPF implementation: too many bugs and lost routes. So, I would like to move to something more robust. Mikrotik MPLS implementation looks more at experimental stage and I would not use it for any reason in any production network. Maybe I am wrong and it's really stable, so if somebody is using mikrotik-MPLS let us know it! Thank you. Mikrotik now supports MPLS. So any routerboard should work fine, depending on how much traffic you need to move. Travis Microserv Paolo Di Francesco wrote: Hi Nathan, it could be a solution, but: 1) the only product I found interesting it CISCO ME switch with MPLS. Any other suggestion welcome. 2) cost per site goes really high for the backbone. If we would like to implement MPLS in each site, it would cost us a fortune. 3) Still wondering about maturity or many MPLS implementations, not sure the brands that really work and the ones which does not. Suggestions welcome ;) P.S. are you using MPLS? Hello, MPLS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 9:58 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP? we are routed, but routed has other problems. So I was just wondering about switched... Thank you. If you have that many a routed network would be much simpler. Any ideas on the limit of stp devices, though? On 1/23/09, Paolo Di Francesco difrance...@teleinform.com wrote: Dear All I am wondering how many switches can be put together in a bridged environment (via radio-bridges) with the Rapid STP. Just curious because I did not find anywhere the maximum number and wondering if the backbone collapse after 10 or 100 or 1000 switches. Also wondering what do you advice, I know that not all the switches are the same... (thinking about HP for this application) Thank you in advance. -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Teleinform S.p.A. Sede Legale: Via Francesco Paolo Di Blasi 1, 90144 Palermo Unita' Operativa: Via Regione Siciliana 49, 90046 Monreale Tel: +39-091-6408576, +39-091-6404501 Fax: +39-091-6406200 http://www.wikitel.it http://www.teleinform.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Teleinform S.p.A. Sede Legale: Via Francesco Paolo Di Blasi 1, 90144 Palermo Unita' Operativa: Via Regione Siciliana 49, 90046 Monreale Tel: +39-091-6408576, +39-091-6404501 Fax: +39-091-6406200 http://www.wikitel.it http://www.teleinform.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] CDPv1
If you look on a MikroTik in it's neighbor list you will be able to not only see other MikroTiks but also Cisco units as well Ubnt units since the Neighbor viewer solution uses the CDP protocol. Helpful to allow you to discover a lost units ip etc. Pretty cool under used tool that many are not aware of and is actually cross platform at least with Cisco and Ubnt. /Eje --Original Message-- From: Randy Cosby Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org To: WISPA General List ReplyTo: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] CDPv1 Sent: Jan 24, 2009 11:23 IIRC mikrotik uses that for its winbox/mac telnet availability broadcasts. Perhaps ubnt does something similar in AirOS? If you check cdp on a cisco switch you can discover quite a bit of detail on all the mikrotiks connected to it. Randy Cosby *sent from my tmobile dash* -Original Message- From: Phil Curnutt pcurn...@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 8:59 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] CDPv1 Anyone know what the purpose of a CDPv1 broadcast is and why do Ubiquiti PS2 and NS2 use them? Phil WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Nanostation support, tips, etc.
At 12v/0.6a you lose 1.1v over 150ft. http://www.wisp-router.com/poecalculator.php /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 22:01:59 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nanostation support, tips, etc. I don't believe you'll lose voltage over a 150 ft line when you're only pulling an amp or two, but I could be wrong. Have you experienced something that proves me wrong? On 1/25/09, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net wrote: Use a hose clamp, instead of the included zip ties, to mount outdoors. If network cable is longer than 150ft, use an 18VDC power supply instead of the included 12VDC supply. If talking to an older 'B' only AP, set the radios to 'B' only mode. Adaptive antenna mode is not worth using. Make sure to update units to 3.x.x firmware. Many are still shipping with 2.1.x. All this is for the NS2 units. I've never used the NS5's. Good support, via their fourm. Haven't had and DOA's or needed to RMA any of these yet. rabbtux rabbtux wrote: We are considering using these units for 2 and 5 GHz Cpe. What is your experience with ubiquiti support, failure rates, and any deployment tips? I sure like what we see in our evaluation. Thanks in advance, Marshall -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Nanostation support, tips, etc.
At 12v/0.6a you lose 1.1v over 150ft. http://www.wisp-router.com/poecalculator.php /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 22:01:59 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nanostation support, tips, etc. I don't believe you'll lose voltage over a 150 ft line when you're only pulling an amp or two, but I could be wrong. Have you experienced something that proves me wrong? On 1/25/09, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net wrote: Use a hose clamp, instead of the included zip ties, to mount outdoors. If network cable is longer than 150ft, use an 18VDC power supply instead of the included 12VDC supply. If talking to an older 'B' only AP, set the radios to 'B' only mode. Adaptive antenna mode is not worth using. Make sure to update units to 3.x.x firmware. Many are still shipping with 2.1.x. All this is for the NS2 units. I've never used the NS5's. Good support, via their fourm. Haven't had and DOA's or needed to RMA any of these yet. rabbtux rabbtux wrote: We are considering using these units for 2 and 5 GHz Cpe. What is your experience with ubiquiti support, failure rates, and any deployment tips? I sure like what we see in our evaluation. Thanks in advance, Marshall -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Nanostation support, tips, etc.
That is where you should RMA things to first. As well first place to get technical support after checking on their forums. Ourselves we have a dedicated support department to handle your questions. Just have invoice number or serial number handy when calling to speed up support questions. Eje Gustafsson CTO WISP-Router, Inc. Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 10:40:13 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nanostation support, tips, etc. RMA to Ubiquiti? Wouldnt you RMA to the distributor you purchased it from? -RickG On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 1:20 AM, rabbtux rabbtux rabb...@gmail.com wrote: Anyone ever rma a Nanostation? Ubiquity good to work with? On 1/25/09, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Just remember to use Eje's POE calculator first! :) On 1/26/09, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Pretty happy with the dozen or so we have out there. No issues at all other than one on a 350' run of cat5 that needed at 24V power supply to be stable. Forrest pulled one apart and said the power supply max is around 18V so use caution on overpowering. __ Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Blair Davis Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 8:04 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nanostation support, tips, etc. Yes, it does. runs over 200ft have been unreliable with the 12VDC supply. Needing power cycling 2-3 times a day. Josh Luthman wrote: I don't believe you'll lose voltage over a 150 ft line when you're only pulling an amp or two, but I could be wrong. Have you experienced something that proves me wrong? On 1/25/09, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net mailto:the...@wmwisp.net wrote: Use a hose clamp, instead of the included zip ties, to mount outdoors. If network cable is longer than 150ft, use an 18VDC power supply instead of the included 12VDC supply. If talking to an older 'B' only AP, set the radios to 'B' only mode. Adaptive antenna mode is not worth using. Make sure to update units to 3.x.x firmware. Many are still shipping with 2.1.x. All this is for the NS2 units. I've never used the NS5's. Good support, via their fourm. Haven't had and DOA's or needed to RMA any of these yet. rabbtux rabbtux wrote: We are considering using these units for 2 and 5 GHz Cpe. What is your experience with ubiquiti support, failure rates, and any deployment tips? I sure like what we see in our evaluation. Thanks in advance, Marshall WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Sent from my mobile device WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP?
BGP is more designed for routing application with upstream or downstream applications. Of course you can use it internally as well and in that case if your not using BGP for upstream you can use any AS number you want. OSPF can be used in any network design and is designed for internal routing. You do not at all have to be star shaped actually OSPF functions best when not and you are circular shaped. I have used BGP for our internal routing but moved to an OSPF implementation and feel it do work better and faster then BGP at least on our network and we are neither really stared nor circular in our network configuration. Eje Gustafsson CTO WISP-Router, Inc. Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: jp j...@saucer.midcoast.com Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 11:01:08 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP? We are using BGP internally on Mikrotik with good success instead of OSPF. I've never done OSPF on it, as my network isn't entirely star shaped like OSPF is said to be created for. There is a range of private BGP AS numbers for such applications. Each site's router gets an ASN and has peering connections to upstream and other connected sites. On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 05:23:33PM +0100, Paolo Di Francesco wrote: Hi Travis to be honest mikrotik routing is not working well, and we are far from being happy about the OSPF implementation: too many bugs and lost routes. So, I would like to move to something more robust. Mikrotik MPLS implementation looks more at experimental stage and I would not use it for any reason in any production network. Maybe I am wrong and it's really stable, so if somebody is using mikrotik-MPLS let us know it! Thank you. Mikrotik now supports MPLS. So any routerboard should work fine, depending on how much traffic you need to move. Travis Microserv Paolo Di Francesco wrote: Hi Nathan, it could be a solution, but: 1) the only product I found interesting it CISCO ME switch with MPLS. Any other suggestion welcome. 2) cost per site goes really high for the backbone. If we would like to implement MPLS in each site, it would cost us a fortune. 3) Still wondering about maturity or many MPLS implementations, not sure the brands that really work and the ones which does not. Suggestions welcome ;) P.S. are you using MPLS? Hello, MPLS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 9:58 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP? we are routed, but routed has other problems. So I was just wondering about switched... Thank you. If you have that many a routed network would be much simpler. Any ideas on the limit of stp devices, though? On 1/23/09, Paolo Di Francesco difrance...@teleinform.com wrote: Dear All I am wondering how many switches can be put together in a bridged environment (via radio-bridges) with the Rapid STP. Just curious because I did not find anywhere the maximum number and wondering if the backbone collapse after 10 or 100 or 1000 switches. Also wondering what do you advice, I know that not all the switches are the same... (thinking about HP for this application) Thank you in advance. -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Teleinform S.p.A. Sede Legale: Via Francesco Paolo Di Blasi 1, 90144 Palermo Unita' Operativa: Via Regione Siciliana 49, 90046 Monreale Tel: +39-091-6408576, +39-091-6404501 Fax: +39-091-6406200 http://www.wikitel.it http://www.teleinform.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Teleinform S.p.A. Sede Legale: Via Francesco Paolo Di Blasi 1, 90144 Palermo Unita' Operativa: Via Regione Siciliana 49, 90046 Monreale Tel: +39-091-6408576, +39-091-6404501 Fax: +39-091-6406200 http://www.wikitel.it
Re: [WISPA] Thanks all!
Welcome back Mac. Glad to hear you have been able to recover and in the event of it all also been able to stop smoking (congratulations). Stay strong, eat healthy and stay away from the cancer sticks. The later might be hard especially when you have a drink or two that is when most reformed smokers have the hardest time to refrain. Cheers and welcome back to humanity Mac. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Mac Dearman li...@inetsouth.com Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 10:07:30 To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org; 'Motorola Canopy User Group'motor...@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Thanks all! Hey gang, Today is my first day back at work since the heart attack. I wanted to send out a THANKS for the thoughts, cards, flowers and prayers. I really appreciate all of you more than you know. It seems that I am going to be better than ever now that I have two stints and a balloon in the arteries of my heart J I was glad to get the report of zero damage to my ole' ticker from the heart attack and I am also glad to report that I am now a reformed smoker. There is something about this new incentive called life that has made quitting smoking after 36 years - - a lot easier. Thanks again crew - - y'all are a great group to be associated with! Sincerely, Mac Dearman WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Using PPPoE DHCP simultaneously?
No problems there to do that. I have helped many WISPs setup hotspot with dhcp and pppoe on same network interface. Use it myself in many places. Works great. Pppoe users don't get caught by the hotspot captive portal so work nice combining the two. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Doug Ratcliffe do...@dwwfl.com Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 16:41:42 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Using PPPoE DHCP simultaneously? I know it's considered bad practice to do this, but I'm transitioning my existing wireless network from DHCP/Static to PPPoE, and I was wondering if there was a technical reason PPPoE DHCP can't co-exist on the same network. Thanks WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bad install days
Just like the cable and phone company we will contact customer and reschedule installs if it's deemed unsafe to do an install especially if we know we need to go up on a roof. But if we can do install without doing that we do business as usual. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 09:57:22 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Bad install days I was curious to know what the other WISPs do when installs are scheduled and the weather is bad. The problems I see are safety, not seeing the tower, bitter cold and it's just very uncomfortable to work in. Today we have a good foot of snow with ice covering everything - looks like bubblewrap on my car. I just told everyone to stay home but call their appointments and reschedule and play in the snow with their kids, but prepare to work a half day if things lighten up. -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OMG...
Signal loss should be pretty low. Sure we could easily do 80GHz so need some 80Ghz ptmp radios so we can get a few hundred mbit each ;) Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 23:06:19 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] OMG... Ditto on this! What connection speed to the net can we get on the moon? -RickG On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 6:05 PM, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: I'll be personally lobbying AGAINST the porkbarrle bill. Giving more money to the liars, cheats, and thieves that trashed consumer (stock market investors and purchasers) confidence in the first place isn't going to help anyone. In fact it's likely to make people hold on to their money even tighter. After nearly a decade of having a LOT of money on credit cards (some as high as 30%) we're paying off the first one in the next few days. Another one should fall in 2 or 3 months. By the end of the year, all things staying as they are now, we'll have nearly all of it paid off. Till now I've been building and building and building. Now I'm gonna pull that back a bit and go into survival mode. Even though things are NOT tight for us right now. If things really do go to hell in a hand basket I want to be ready for it. If they only go to hell I want to be ready to pick up my competitors at the fire sales. More government debt and/or money to my competitors won't make me spend money. And spending is what it'll take to get things rolling nicely again. So here's my plan. I'm gonna try to get this abomination stopped. If (actually when) I fail at that I'll work to make sure that I get as much of it as I can. They WILL spend it. Might as well come my direction. In the old days our forefathers ran to America to get away from oppressive government. Where are we supposed to run? Anyone want to help me start a colony on the moon? deep sigh Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! o...@odessaoffice.com www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Chuck Bartosch ch...@clarityconnect.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 11:20 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] OMG... On Jan 30, 2009, at 12:03 PM, RickG wrote: But...IF it collapses, your $200k is worthless :) That's what I meant by tails I win, heads you lose ;-). Chuck Also, you didnt say what time frame for the collapse to happen. Just my silly obsevation :) -RickG On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 1:59 AM, Chuck Bartosch ch...@clarityconnect.com wrote: Tell ya what Mark. I'll bet you $10,000 the collapse won't happen. No, let's make it $100,000. Now, I'm serious! I'll even give you 2:1 odds. I'll give you $200,000 if it collapses. Deal? (Of course, ha gotta love these tales I win, heads you lose kind of bets ;-). Chuck On Jan 29, 2009, at 11:58 PM, rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: Some of the financial and economic advisors I read from time to time are in deadly serious mode and I believe them. They're saying that unless all this debt and spending is stopped and stopped NOW, we're going to face a currency collapse as our currency depreciates to worthlessness. I can't believe a single one of us would be in favor of any of the pork barrell bills in Congress, much less raising money to lobby FOR them. You want to lobby AGAINST there being any pork bills, I'll donate if I can. If you're going to lobby for them, I can only surmise than none of you care about our future so long as you get your handout NOW. insert witty tagline here WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607) 257-8268 If all is not lost, where is it? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] Managing Multiple Mikrotiks - User Control
You could setup a simple linux box running freeradius to do this. Takes just a little time and the cost of the machine. Actually you could just install vmware on a windows workstation and install Linux with freeradius on it and your cost is just your time to do it. Or you can hire a consultant to get this setup. I would estimate that it would only take a couple of hours for one of my guys to do that. While at it you could also get The Dude installed under Wine or install a copy of Intermapper to do the monitoring and quick launch of winbox/ssh/web login to your cpe and devices. If you need help with this you could call us and Scott or me could help you out. /Eje CTO WISP-Router, Inc /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 21:28:44 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org; wa4...@arrl.net Subject: Re: [WISPA] Managing Multiple Mikrotiks - User Control Does anyone do this? If so what are you using for RADIUS? I have been wanting to do this for some time now but haven't gotten around to it :( On 1/31/09, Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net wrote: With the Dude, you could create a map, export it which gives a XML file. Edit the XML to get rid of UserID and Password. Distribute the file to all who can see the network. They just put their own UserID and Password in the first time they access a router. Now they can customize the maps as they desire, but the core devices are already populated. Leon D. Zetekoff, NCE wrote: Scott has a good idea. Combine that with the Dude and it works nice. Another thing to do is make the management of the devices on a non-routeable. Leon * Scott Reed wrote, On 1/31/2009 11:08 AM: Radius. You can make groups in Radius that map to groups on the routers. You can then make groups on the router for the specific functions you want the user to have. First the MT will check locally for the user. If that fails, it will check Radius. Thus, you can have an ID on the MT to ensure some has access, but let Radius to the normal authenication. Gino Villarini wrote: Hello all WE have about 100 Mk units in our network, what tool is available to manage them effectively? We are looking in a way to manage our own internal access to them... Admins and techs getting into groups with individual pwds? Any ideas to a centrilized security management system for them? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.16/1926 - Release Date: 1/30/2009 5:31 PM -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle
Ford E250 V10 with a bucket attachment. Inside geared out with drawers and cabinets. Used to be an old Cox service van. Got a picture of it on our front page www.wisp-router.com. The 34ft bucket reach makes site survey and install quick work. They rarely take down a ladder to do an install. Only problem is you only get 8-9mpg in mix driving and the spring and tire setup makes for a very stiff ride. Tires requires 80psi pressure and some tire inflators can not handle that. /Eje --Original Message-- From: jree...@18-30chat.net Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org To: WISPA General List ReplyTo: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle Sent: Feb 2, 2009 13:42 I got rid of my full sized 96 GMC Suburban (7~13mpg) and got me a 05 Dodge Caravan (19~30mpg). It handles a 35ft extension ladder + a boot of gear = ) Josh Luthman wrote: What does everyone use for a service vehicle? We have an 1999 f250 that is at the end of it's road. It has the cabinets and ladder racks to put al our stuff in. Our tower climber for those picky tower owners has a brand new Dodge. If you haven't seen these check them out. If we could afford these I wouldn't be asking :( WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] StarOS/Valemount
Uhm. Is Cisco not a real manufacturer? Don't you have to pay for design work and training classes and that with them or pay for advanced support there? If you want free support then you could look at things like Dlink or Linksys. You have free support there directly from the manufacturer. Last I heard from StarOS they where a 2 people team doing sales and software development and selling OEM hardware. Some people love their software but some dislike them much. They changed code base three times. Most support you will get you will find in their forums or on mailing list such as this one. If they have hired on some more and actually trying to get out of the garage then we might consider them as a real alternative but when they started selling hardware and become direct competitor and basically gave away their software with hardware sales we stopped support them and sell their products. Never good when a manufacturer start directly compete with resellers and distributors. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 17:51:20 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] StarOS/Valemount WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] StarOS/Valemount
With MikroTik you can mac telnet so if you have connection to the ap you can mac telnet to another unit from within winbox no matter if you have ip connection. Or you can telnet or ssh as well for that matter. On ezy.net and Ubiquiti units you can activate ssh service so you can ssh to them and not only utilize the web interface. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 10:58:30 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS/Valemount I agree... Just put one up and try it. Don't be afraid of the learning curve. The performance and flexibility is outstanding. Also, there's alot to be said about NOT having a web interface. I can't tell you how many times I've done this: 1. Realized I screwed up the gateway address or IP address on the CPE. 2. ssh into the AP, put and IP address on the wireless interface that client is associated with, ssh TO the client FROM the AP (not from my workstation). 3. Been on my merry way and not have had a truck roll. We use methods like these to prevent truck rolls over over again. I wish that the other, mainstream product manufacturers would get a clue about this ability. You can essentially move about your network using ssh, hopping from one device to another until you can reach the device you want. You can ssh from your computer or PDA to your border router, then ssh from there to wherever on your network you want to go. Also with this method, it is possible to take a brand new AP to a tower site, set to defaults (with default IP address) and have the guys back at the office reach it and configure it. VERY POWERFUL!! I say let go of the web interface. I did and I'm glad I did. My name is Mark and I'm an ssh junkie... ;) Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: CHUCK PROFITO cprof...@cv-access.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 10:23 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS/Valemount Is is one heck of a product, it just has a learning curve, and is never on the 'bleeding edege', and since everybody knows Lonnie's' service limitations, most users help new users a lot. And I might add, you are not locked into only Star OS for SU's. Short range we have used nanos and now bullets and other boards, business customers still get Star to Star. You are not locked into a Mfg. And you can tailor the tower sites to fill the needs of the environment, and the Star OS tools are amazing. If you have a new tower or small repeater site to put up, it may be a great time for you to learn about it. Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC cprof...@cv-access.com Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 9:51 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS/Valemount Boy I tell ya what. StarOS was looking like a hell-uv-a great product back in the days of the Mikrotik/Tranzeo reconnect issues Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark Nash Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 12:22 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS/Valemount I'll chime in and say: 1. Great product. Great performance 2. Forums support is hit and miss. I've read alot of the forum articles and there seems to be alot of arrogance and opinionated views there. 3. I have bad units that Freespace Systems (their US distributor) has had for months. When I inquired about them a few weeks ago, I got the answer Our JTAG programming system is not working. So, overall... Good product, very usable, customer service suffers therefore we suffer. If you can handle dealing with things on your own or in the forums, it's very powerful. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop, Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 http://www.unwiredwest.com 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 7:58 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS/Valemount Jerry There is a lot of products out there now. Quite a few are members of wispa and I don't want to give a more favorable endorsement of one of the other. I see a lot of wisps happy with the products they use and thats a great thing. I think there is no better time as up till now for choices in products that actually work reliably right out of the box. But, I don't believe there is a best and the rest worse, I think it's the product that fits your business
Re: [WISPA] E-zy.net
I think your referring to IkarusOS which is a different product then Ez-y net. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 13:33:17 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] E-zy.net Indeed. I actually received two copies of an OS of his at one of the WISPCONs. I didn't have any boards that took CF cards, so I never got to try it out. I don't remember the name of it. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 1:04 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] E-zy.net Hello Dimitri Congradts to you and your partners on developing a product that wisps can use to their advantage. I don't think we have seen an introduction of you and your compay on the wispa lists. Why don't you take this time to introduce yourself, and your company and products to the list. For those who don't know Dimitri, he is a long time wisp who used to be very active on these various wisp lists. I'm sure developing his product and company has minimized his socializing on the various lists. George Dimitrios Sidiropoulos wrote: E-zy.net has SSH and Telnet enabled by default. We just want to make sure the service is available when you need it, so you do not end up wishing you had enabled it before. Of course you have to make sure you change your passwords but this counts for all services not just SSH. Thank you Dimitri http://www.e-zy.net EZ-Go-2 Now shipping at $83.00 MSRP http://www.e-zy.net/outdoor/EZ-Go/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] AP using Mikrotik Routerboard
We might not have it as a single order sku but if you order all items we will assemble it for you free of charge. We have a few complete sku's premade in our system as well. As you might be aware as well we have certified techs plus of course myself whom is a certified trainer. /Eje --Original Message-- From: David E. Smith Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org To: WISPA General List ReplyTo: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] AP using Mikrotik Routerboard Sent: Feb 9, 2009 17:48 Does anyone produce a complete Mikrotik Routerboard Access Point- ie.- routerboard, radio cards, pigtails, enclosure etc.? Of late, I've been using Jeffco SoHo (www.jeffcosoho.com/catalog) partly because they're only a hundred miles away, and even ground shipping arrives the next day. They also have a couple Mikrotik-certified techs on the payroll, and offer a discount to WISPA members. Yes, you can buy the stuff yourself and assemble it in-house, but to me it's worth a small premium to not have to do the boring stuff. I think they also offer some FCC-certified systems, if you're concerned about that sort of thing. David Smith MVN.net Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] AP using Mikrotik Routerboard
If you purchase all items for a complete unit we will assemble it free of charge. This is a service we been doing ever since we started selling MikroTik 5 years ago. We will do that even for StarOS or IkarusOS base solution as long as all parts and licenses to make a complete system is purchased at once from us. We also offer preconfiguration (but for a small charge) if you want a true plug and play solution ready to go when you receive the units. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 18:58:49 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] AP using Mikrotik Routerboard You might spend a good 50 dollars in parts that you can reuse between enclosures for every few or you can pay a vendor to do it (marked up of course). If you'd like my full list of parts I buy/use for every AP let me know. On 2/9/09, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net wrote: I could, if there was demand. I'm sure that they are out there... but, building your own is easy... Phil Curnutt wrote: Does anyone produce a complete Mikrotik Routerboard Access Point- ie.- routerboard, radio cards, pigtails, enclosure etc.? Phil WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] AP using Mikrotik Routerboard
That is ok. The way that equipment was assembled and charged you shouldn't had to pay any assembly fees. As I said to you off list we will get that straightened out. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: David Sovereen david.sover...@mercury.net Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 15:34:05 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] AP using Mikrotik Routerboard Meant to send off-list... sorry. Dave - Original Message - From: David Sovereen david.sover...@mercury.net To: e...@wisp-router.com; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 3:32 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] AP using Mikrotik Routerboard Huh? Why haven't any of my orders ever come assembled free? Whenver I want it assembled, you charge me something called Assembly Charge for Kit Units at a cost of $6.00 each. See invoice 29306. Dave - Original Message - From: e...@wisp-router.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 8:20 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] AP using Mikrotik Routerboard If you purchase all items for a complete unit we will assemble it free of charge. This is a service we been doing ever since we started selling MikroTik 5 years ago. We will do that even for StarOS or IkarusOS base solution as long as all parts and licenses to make a complete system is purchased at once from us. We also offer preconfiguration (but for a small charge) if you want a true plug and play solution ready to go when you receive the units. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 18:58:49 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] AP using Mikrotik Routerboard You might spend a good 50 dollars in parts that you can reuse between enclosures for every few or you can pay a vendor to do it (marked up of course). If you'd like my full list of parts I buy/use for every AP let me know. On 2/9/09, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net wrote: I could, if there was demand. I'm sure that they are out there... but, building your own is easy... Phil Curnutt wrote: Does anyone produce a complete Mikrotik Routerboard Access Point- ie.- routerboard, radio cards, pigtails, enclosure etc.? Phil WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] New Stimulus bill Broadband Definitions
Actually not. Advanced broadband service 45/15 Basic broadband service 5/1 Advanced WIRELESS broadband service 3/1 But nothing stating what Basic Wireless broadband service is supposed to be at least in the excerpt. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 17:00:21 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] New Stimulus bill Broadband Definitions So it looks like the definitions of Basic broadband service and Advanced broadband service are interchanged. Good catch!! St. Louis Broadband wrote: I don't know if this will be revised before it is voted on, but it appears that it needs to be corrected: In Title VI - BROADBAND COMMUNICATIONS (pg 661-662) http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/08/senate-stimulus-bill-full_n_163144.html (j) DEFINITIONS - for the purpose of this section - (1) the term advanced broadband service means a service delivering data to the end user transmitted at a speed of at least 45 megabits per second downstream and at least 15 megabits per second upstream; (2) the term advanced wireless broadband service means a wireless service delivering to the end user data transmitted at a speed of at least 3 megabits per second downstream and at least 1 megabit per second upstream over and end-to-end internet protocol wireless network; (3) the term basic broadband service means a service delivering data to the end user transmitted to a speed of at least 5 megabits per second downstream and at least 1 megabit per second upstream; So the advanced broadband service is your backhaul @ 45/15 mbps, advanced broadband service SHOULD BE 5/1 mbps and basic broadband service SHOULD BE 3/1 mbps WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Cisco Press Author - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs WISPs - Do you know where your customers are? For wireless coverage mapping see http://www.ask-wi.com/mapping FCC Lic. #PG-12-25133 LinkedIn Profile http://www.linkedin.com/in/jackunger Phone 818-227-4220 Email jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle
That description is not hybrid. Its called KERS (Kinetic Energy Recovery System) and is a technique used to recharge the batteries in a hybrid car without using the gas engine to recharge the battery. Most hybrid cars have a battery driven engine and a gas powered engine. when driving it will primary use the battery engine but if the batteries starts to get run down the gas engine starts up to propel the car and recharge the battery in newer hybrid you have the KERS to help boost the recharge by recovering energy when breaking which is why a hybrid car can get so very good city traffic mileage since obviously you have to break and stop. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Chuck Bartosch ch...@clarityconnect.com Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 09:17:39 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle Right-the primary reason a hybrid saves gas is by recovering *some* otherwise wasted braking energy. But you'd get better mileage by not breaking in the first place, which you don't hopefully do a lot of on the highway. Chuck On Feb 12, 2009, at 8:54 AM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Not on the highway it won't. grin That's the biggest reason I didn't even look at one. Highway miles (almost all of my 30k+ per year miles) are often no better than any other rig. marlon - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 7:10 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle You can still drive a hybrid... http://www.internationaltrucks.com/portal/site/ITrucks/menuitem.a1d4a3932b46e05831f8e968121010a0/?vgnextoid=945d07aafbfe6110VgnVCM1085d0eb0aRCRD UPS also has some of their trucks powered by International hybrid technology. I think the one our local center had was getting over 40 mpg. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 9:15 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle I always thought of buying a hybrid... ...then putting it in the bed of my truck and hauling it around just to say that I take my hybrid everywhere I go... Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: D. Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 6:38 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle Made me think of a license plate holder I saw on an SUV: Buy a hybrid, I need your gas! ryan D. Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com On Feb 10, 2009, at 6:33 PM, Travis Johnson wrote: If it makes you feel better, today we only got 8mpg while pulling our sno-cat (with a Duramax even) at 80mph down the freeway. ;) Travis Microserv Mark Nash wrote: LOL I was just thinking about revitalizing this thread as I was speeding across our valley here because one of our techs called in sick. Had 4 appointments to keep...about 120 miles to cover... ...and MY service truck is an F350/V10 - crew cab - full bed. ...I get 10 on a good day. :) Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 o...@odessaoffice.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 8:44 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle fyi, it's not a van... http://www.leasetrader.com/photos/actual98286/640x480/GMC-Envoy-XL-Sport-Utility.jpeg I wanted a red or blue one with a v8 (327 and those one's HAUL). Had to settle for a completely loaded white one though. Leather, DVD for the kids, heated seats and seat backs, blinkers on the mirrors, air ride suspension (this rig rides better than any car I've ever had) etc. It's also nearly a foot and a half longer than the standard version. So when you get one make sure you look for the one with the 3rd seat. http://shop.ebay.com/items/_W0QQ_dmptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories?_nkw=gmc+envoy+xl_sacat=0_fromfsb=_trksid=m270.l1313_odkw=gmc+envoy_osacat=0 These are the same thing as the Chevy Trailblazer. The XUV version looks pretty interesting too. I ALMOST got one of them, didn't like the sales guy though so I walked out on the deal. http://www.familycar.com/RoadTests/GMC-XUV/Photos.htm They have some of those on ebay too: http://shop.ebay.com/items/__xuv?_trkparms=72%253A317%257C66%253A2%257C65%253A12%257C39%253A1_dmpt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories_trksid=p3286.c0.m14_pgn=2 laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq
Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?
Then to think about all companies that reorganize and end up continue business like nothing happens except they screwed over their lenders and the owners, board of directors and upper management that caused the mess goes clean and free and get to keep it all. Sickening. And it does have nothing to do with Washington connections. It's part of the system and have crooked good lawyer and careful planning and preparations. Basically in my opinion it's premeditated (to borrow a legal term from another legal area) bankruptcy if you ask me and shouldn't be allowed. They should be punished not allowed to continue operation and keep everything. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: rea...@muddyfrogwater.us Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 17:56:30 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps? Unemployment and a default on a mortgage i was gaurantor of put me in Bankruptcy in 1997.I didn't get to keep nuttin. I lost my home everything I had in the bank and was seriously whacked for a long time. And I've battled crooked collectors who have tried to collect discharged debt ever since. The RE lenders were the worst thing about the whole deal. Basically, that was all I owed was on two homes and yet, it haunted me for more than 8 years before the last one stopped trying to collect on the real estate loans. Two of the three involved were guaranteed by HUD, yet, rather than file for that gaurantee, they abdicated all rights to the proceeds of the RE sale and then fraudulently attempted for years to collect from me or sell those loans elsewhere. I lost track of the number of owners of those notes over the years. I had no credit cards unpaid or car loans or anything. Each time I had to dig up my BK judgement and prove it wasn't legally owed and they'd sell it again. Often it was less than 2 months between being persued by a different 'agency' or lender or owner. One guy managed to get someone to give him my work and my wife's work phones and then they started threatening all kinds of stuff. But, hey, look at the bright side. Someone might tell Trump YOU'RE FIRED! :) insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 3:28 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps? Always hated that about the bankruptcy system. How a company can do so many stupid things then file chapter 11, get restructured and basically continue operations with all their equipment all in place but with no debt. If I wanted a fancy house, car and all cool gadget and got it on the expense of the business if I filed chapter 11 because of to high saleries and spent to much money on business building, and equipment rollout I would find myself homeless, car less, customer less and no longer have a place to conduct business and my cool hardware sold off. Then you have companies like Charter now and Cable Wireless did 10 years back just as examples that did it and came out stronger then before and no debt and networks and customers in place and I bet not a single board member or upper management lost a single thing of their personal affect. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 5:18 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps? Yeah, and WE'RE expected to compete. No one bothers to point out that they do it be going broke!! aaa marlon - Original Message - From: Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 8:17 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps? They are starting to roll out 60meg down 5up. Only in test markets though. * --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/* http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact
Re: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now
Yes a good choice. We have been very happy with all our IS units we have(replaced Cicsco units). As well all people we assisted and sold ImageStream units to have been very happy with them. Great stable product line at great pricing and an excellent support. Product is of course lot more then say a MikroTik unit but basically you pay for the free support and you get a product that been design to work at your network edge and talk to your upstream provider while MikroTik is more designed to function inside your own system and do wireless and internal routing and authentication. /Eje CTO WISP-Router, Inc Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 10:20:04 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now I'll second that suggestion. marlon - Original Message - From: John Scrivner j...@scrivner.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 9:53 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now Consider Imagestream (http://www.imagestream.com for your high end routing. They are high quality and lower cost than other high-end routing solutions. Fantastic support and rock solid platform for routing. Scriv PS. They are a WISPA Vendor Member also. On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Dylan Bouterse dy...@corp.power1.comwrote: We're getting off Cisco soon too. Moving to Juniper, maybe sooner than later now! Dylan -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 12:33 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now So far we haven't seen any adverse effects, but we're not running BGP with Cisco routers. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 11:27 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now That AS was sending corrupted AS PATHs, which among other things has been causing significant amounts of route flaps due to Cisco bug CSCdr54230. Ciscos effected are losing their BGP session when they encounter the AS PATH. Upstreams like us have busy routers because of all the flaps. The community is filtering the AS right now pending resolution. -Matt On Feb 16, 2009, at 12:22 PM, Dylan Bouterse wrote: I just had some BGP issues with one of my peers. Is this related you think? Please expand on the reason for the email. Dylan -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 12:18 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.233 / Virus Database: 270.10.18/1936 - Release Date: 02/05/09 11:34:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.233 / Virus Database: 270.10.18/1936 - Release Date: 02/05/09 11:34:00
