Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference
Thank you Walter! We're definitely going to use this at SLU. On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 12:46 PM, Heller, Josh <hel...@kutztown.edu> wrote: > Very kind of you, Walter. Thank you! > > > > > > Josh Heller > > Sr. Network Analyst > > Office of Information Technology > > Kutztown University > > 610.683.4930 <(610)%20683-4930> > > > > *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto: > WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] *On Behalf Of *Walter Reynolds > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 28, 2017 7:34 AM > *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU > *Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about > interference > > > > Sorry this took so long, I just realized I had not sent this out already. > > Here is the link to the document on google docs. > > > > https://docs.google.com/document/d/1EmCEYqMeHzfZ73UCm4w1QnXncg8XR > 1r9JTP1_gPTlTE/edit?usp=sharing > > > > -- > > Walter Reynolds > Principal Systems Security Development Engineer > Information and Technology Services > University of Michigan > (734) 615-9438 > > > > > > ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE > Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/ > discuss. > ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE > Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/ > discuss. > > -- John Heartlein | Manager - ITS Infrastructure Operations | Saint Louis University <http://www.slu.edu/> 3545 Lindell Boulevard, The Marvin and Harlene Wool Center | T 314-977-5025 [image: www.slu.edu] <http://www.slu.edu/> Do you like our work? Let us know @ http://www.slu.edu/its/about- its/its-recognition ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/discuss.
RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference
Thank you Walter!!! Edward Ip Algonquin College | 1385 Woodroffe Avenue | Room C316 | Ottawa | Ontario | K2G 1V8 | Canada algonquincollege.com From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Walter Reynolds Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2017 7:34 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference Sorry this took so long, I just realized I had not sent this out already. Here is the link to the document on google docs. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1EmCEYqMeHzfZ73UCm4w1QnXncg8XR1r9JTP1_gPTlTE/edit?usp=sharing -- Walter Reynolds Principal Systems Security Development Engineer Information and Technology Services University of Michigan (734) 615-9438<tel:(734)%20615-9438> ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/discuss. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/discuss.
RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference
Very kind of you, Walter. Thank you! Josh Heller Sr. Network Analyst Office of Information Technology Kutztown University 610.683.4930 From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Walter Reynolds Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2017 7:34 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference Sorry this took so long, I just realized I had not sent this out already. Here is the link to the document on google docs. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1EmCEYqMeHzfZ73UCm4w1QnXncg8XR1r9JTP1_gPTlTE/edit?usp=sharing -- Walter Reynolds Principal Systems Security Development Engineer Information and Technology Services University of Michigan (734) 615-9438<tel:(734)%20615-9438> ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/discuss. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/discuss.
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference
Excellent! Thank you! From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> on behalf of Walter Reynolds <wa...@umich.edu> Reply-To: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> Date: Tuesday, February 28, 2017 at 7:33 AM To: "WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU" <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference Sorry this took so long, I just realized I had not sent this out already. Here is the link to the document on google docs. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1EmCEYqMeHzfZ73UCm4w1QnXncg8XR1r9JTP1_gPTlTE/edit?usp=sharing -- Walter Reynolds Principal Systems Security Development Engineer Information and Technology Services University of Michigan (734) 615-9438<tel:(734)%20615-9438> ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/discuss. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/discuss.
RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference
Thank you Walter! From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Walter Reynolds Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2017 7:34 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference Sorry this took so long, I just realized I had not sent this out already. Here is the link to the document on google docs. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1EmCEYqMeHzfZ73UCm4w1QnXncg8XR1r9JTP1_gPTlTE/edit?usp=sharing -- Walter Reynolds Principal Systems Security Development Engineer Information and Technology Services University of Michigan (734) 615-9438<tel:(734)%20615-9438> ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/discuss. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/discuss.
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference
Thanks Walter! Jacob Barros Associate Director of IT, Network and Operations Email: jkbar...@grace.edu Phone: 574.372.5100 ext. 6178 On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 7:33 AM, Walter Reynoldswrote: > Sorry this took so long, I just realized I had not sent this out already. > Here is the link to the document on google docs. > > https://docs.google.com/document/d/1EmCEYqMeHzfZ73UCm4w1QnXncg8XR > 1r9JTP1_gPTlTE/edit?usp=sharing > > > -- > Walter Reynolds > Principal Systems Security Development Engineer > Information and Technology Services > University of Michigan > (734) 615-9438 > > > ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE > Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/ > discuss. > > ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/discuss.
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference
Sorry this took so long, I just realized I had not sent this out already. Here is the link to the document on google docs. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1EmCEYqMeHzfZ73UCm4w1QnXncg8XR1r9JTP1_gPTlTE/edit?usp=sharing -- Walter Reynolds Principal Systems Security Development Engineer Information and Technology Services University of Michigan (734) 615-9438 ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/discuss.
RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference
WEP was deprecated and manufactures can no longer include it in WAP’s certified after 2014 i.e. as WAPs are life-cycled you can’t support it even if you wanted to without moving them to an open SSID. Jeff From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Dexter Caldwell Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2017 5:15 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference This brings up an ongoing question per John’s link here: http://its.umich.edu/enterprise/wifi-networks/device-compatibility-guide How many of you support wireless (WEP-only) entertainment devices joining your campus wireless. If so, what is your tool method? Do you prevent non-media and gaming devices from joining that network? (Ex, gaming SSID) P.S. John, we recently discovered this for Chromecast: https://store.google.com/product/ethernet_adapter_for_chromecast?sku=_ethernet_adapter_for_chromecast D/C From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of John Chappell Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 2:06 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference Hi Walter, Thank you for working this. If at all possible I’d like to credit the person(s) who create this document. My thinking is to acknowledge, the person/people by adding a “created by….” at footer of the document. Regards, John Chappell IT Coordinator Residence Services Mount Royal University Calgary, Alberta Office: 403.440.5198 Mobile: 403.829.6455 "If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough." - Albert Einstein MRU IT Services will NEVER ask you for your password or to update or verify your email account through an email. DO NOT click any links in an email asking you to update or verify your email account. On Feb 23, 2017, at 10:30, Walter Reynolds <wa...@umich.edu<mailto:wa...@umich.edu>> wrote: Ok, they are working on removing UMich specific items so we can make it available. Anyone who would just like to repurpose the text and create something yourselves feel free. I really think we should lean on each other for not only problems but informational things like this so here are links to a few other web pages that might be helpful in case you are interested. http://its.umich.edu/enterprise/wifi-networks/device-compatibility-guide http://its.umich.edu/enterprise/wifi-networks/wifi/personal-routers http://its.umich.edu/enterprise/wifi-networks/wifi/for-unit-it-professionals (two sections) Enterprise Access Points vs. Consumer or Home Access Points FCC Radio Frequency Safety Statement Walter Reynolds Principal Systems Security Development Engineer Information and Technology Services University of Michigan (734) 615-9438 On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 12:07 PM, Walter Reynolds <wa...@umich.edu<mailto:wa...@umich.edu>> wrote: I will work on getting this done. Walter Reynolds Principal Systems Security Development Engineer Information and Technology Services University of Michigan (734) 615-9438<tel:(734)%20615-9438> On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 12:47 PM, Jason Watts <jwa...@pratt.edu<mailto:jwa...@pratt.edu>> wrote: I was going to ask as well. Take out the institution specific terms and imagery and open source it, please. Jason Watts | Senior Network Administrator PRATT INSTITUTE On Feb 22, 2017, at 12:41 PM, Watters, John <john.watt...@ua.edu<mailto:john.watt...@ua.edu>> wrote: It sounds like everyone likes it, include us. How about a global right-to-use statement from the University of Michigan? John Watters Network Engineer, Office of Information Technology The University of Alabama<https://www.ua.edu/> A115 Gordon Palmer Hall Box 870346 Tuscaloosa, AL 35487 Phone 205-348-3992 john.watt...@ua.edu<mailto:john.watt...@ua.edu> <https://www.ua.edu/> From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of John Chappell Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 11:04 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@listserv.educause.edu> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference That is an amazing PDF, I’d like to request permission to use it as well. Regards, John Chappell IT Coordinator Residence Services Mount Royal University Calgary, Alberta Office: 403.440.5198<tel:(403)%20440-5198> Mobile: 403.829.6455<tel:(403)%20829-6455> "If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough." - Albert Einstein MRU IT Services will NEVER ask you for your password or to update or verify your email account through an email. DO NOT click
RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference
This brings up an ongoing question per John’s link here: http://its.umich.edu/enterprise/wifi-networks/device-compatibility-guide How many of you support wireless (WEP-only) entertainment devices joining your campus wireless. If so, what is your tool method? Do you prevent non-media and gaming devices from joining that network? (Ex, gaming SSID) P.S. John, we recently discovered this for Chromecast: https://store.google.com/product/ethernet_adapter_for_chromecast?sku=_ethernet_adapter_for_chromecast D/C From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of John Chappell Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 2:06 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference Hi Walter, Thank you for working this. If at all possible I’d like to credit the person(s) who create this document. My thinking is to acknowledge, the person/people by adding a “created by….” at footer of the document. Regards, John Chappell IT Coordinator Residence Services Mount Royal University Calgary, Alberta Office: 403.440.5198 Mobile: 403.829.6455 "If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough." - Albert Einstein MRU IT Services will NEVER ask you for your password or to update or verify your email account through an email. DO NOT click any links in an email asking you to update or verify your email account. On Feb 23, 2017, at 10:30, Walter Reynolds <wa...@umich.edu<mailto:wa...@umich.edu>> wrote: Ok, they are working on removing UMich specific items so we can make it available. Anyone who would just like to repurpose the text and create something yourselves feel free. I really think we should lean on each other for not only problems but informational things like this so here are links to a few other web pages that might be helpful in case you are interested. http://its.umich.edu/enterprise/wifi-networks/device-compatibility-guide http://its.umich.edu/enterprise/wifi-networks/wifi/personal-routers http://its.umich.edu/enterprise/wifi-networks/wifi/for-unit-it-professionals (two sections) Enterprise Access Points vs. Consumer or Home Access Points FCC Radio Frequency Safety Statement Walter Reynolds Principal Systems Security Development Engineer Information and Technology Services University of Michigan (734) 615-9438 On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 12:07 PM, Walter Reynolds <wa...@umich.edu<mailto:wa...@umich.edu>> wrote: I will work on getting this done. Walter Reynolds Principal Systems Security Development Engineer Information and Technology Services University of Michigan (734) 615-9438<tel:(734)%20615-9438> On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 12:47 PM, Jason Watts <jwa...@pratt.edu<mailto:jwa...@pratt.edu>> wrote: I was going to ask as well. Take out the institution specific terms and imagery and open source it, please. Jason Watts | Senior Network Administrator PRATT INSTITUTE On Feb 22, 2017, at 12:41 PM, Watters, John <john.watt...@ua.edu<mailto:john.watt...@ua.edu>> wrote: It sounds like everyone likes it, include us. How about a global right-to-use statement from the University of Michigan? John Watters Network Engineer, Office of Information Technology The University of Alabama<https://www.ua.edu/> A115 Gordon Palmer Hall Box 870346 Tuscaloosa, AL 35487 Phone 205-348-3992 john.watt...@ua.edu<mailto:john.watt...@ua.edu> <https://www.ua.edu/> From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of John Chappell Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 11:04 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@listserv.educause.edu> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference That is an amazing PDF, I’d like to request permission to use it as well. Regards, John Chappell IT Coordinator Residence Services Mount Royal University Calgary, Alberta Office: 403.440.5198<tel:(403)%20440-5198> Mobile: 403.829.6455<tel:(403)%20829-6455> "If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough." - Albert Einstein MRU IT Services will NEVER ask you for your password or to update or verify your email account through an email. DO NOT click any links in an email asking you to update or verify your email account. On Feb 22, 2017, at 09:57, Edward Ip <i...@algonquincollege.com<mailto:i...@algonquincollege.com>> wrote: Wonderful pdf. We would like permission to also re-use contents in your pdf in helping educating our Residence clients. Regards, Edward Ip Algonquin College | 1385 Woodroffe Avenue | Room C316 | Ottawa | Ontario | K2G 1V8 | Canada algonquincollege.com<http://algonquincollege.com/> From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference
Post it on stall doors in the bathroom. Plenty of time to read... On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 12:09 PM, Peter P Morrissey <ppmor...@syr.edu> wrote: > Me too. Nicely formatted, great graphics, clearly written. Just wondering > how this would/could be used. Having a hard time imagining most or any > users having enough interest to read the second line of this, never mind > the second page, given everything else they are barraged with these days. > > > > Pete Morrissey > > > > *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto: > WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] *On Behalf Of *Coehoorn, Joel > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 22, 2017 10:30 AM > *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU > *Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about > interference > > > > I love the 2nd page with the colored chart and diagram. > > > > > Joel Coehoorn > Director of Information Technology > 402.363.5603 <(402)%20363-5603> > *jcoeho...@york.edu <jcoeho...@york.edu>* > > The mission of York College is to transform lives through > Christ-centered education and to equip students for lifelong service to > God, family, and society > > > > On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 10:24 AM, Walter Reynolds <wa...@umich.edu> wrote: > > This is a link to a pdf of what we came up with. > > > > https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0BKRE3DeEPKb1RWc1BPSkljYUtJZ > jRGel9icmU3NklJRHRv/view > > > > If the link does not allow you to see it I am attaching the file as well. > > > > > > > Walter Reynolds > > Principal Systems Security Development Engineer > Information and Technology Services > University of Michigan > (734) 615-9438 > > > > On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 11:02 AM, Michael Hulko <mihu...@uwo.ca> wrote: > > Netscout.. aka Fluke… aka Airmagnet wrote a pretty easy to understand > document related to interference. > > > > > > M > > > > On Feb 17, 2017, at 10:44 AM, Jeffrey D. Sessler <j...@scrippscollege.edu > <j...@scrippscollege.edu>> wrote: > > > > You are fighting a battle that will never be won, and even a stale-mate is > unlikely. > > > > IMHO, your best bet is to work toward abandoning 2.4. In the early days, > we did try outreach and education, but there are just too many devices > today that use 2.4, and in many cases, users don’t even know it e.g. > Apple’s Airdrop. You can minimize some of this by solving the reasons > behind some of the interference sources i.e. install more WAPs to improve > the service, reducing the rogue problem. Install residential printers to > mitigate the need for student printers. > > > > Most of our residential is now designed around dense 5 GHz, and while 2.4 > is available, it’s mostly ignored. > > > > Jeff > > > > *From: *"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV. > EDUCAUSE.EDU <WIRELESS-LAN@listserv.educause.edu>> on behalf of "Gray, > Sean" <sean.gr...@uleth.ca <sean.gr...@uleth.ca>> > *Reply-To: *"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV. > EDUCAUSE.EDU <WIRELESS-LAN@listserv.educause.edu>> > *Date: *Thursday, February 16, 2017 at 2:21 PM > *To: *"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV. > EDUCAUSE.EDU <WIRELESS-LAN@listserv.educause.edu>> > *Subject: *[WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference > > > > Hi Fellow Wireless Wizards! > > > > This is my first post to the group, so please be gentle. > > > > Here at the University of Lethbridge we are about to embark on a bit of an > education drive for all of our wireless users with regards to the 2.4GHz > spectrum and their impact on it. Does anybody have good examples of > notices, posters etc. that they would be willing to share, that reference > the evils of rogues and other interference sources citing the negative > impact they have on the wireless network. Like everyone else on this list > we are seeing huge influxes of our friends the wireless printer, Bluetooth > devices and the like… > > > > if only we could just turn 2.4GHz off. > > > > Thanks > > > > Sean > > > > > > *Sean Gray* | B.Sc (Hons) > > Voice, Collaboration & Wireless Network Analyst > > ITS, University of Lethbridge > > > > > > ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE > Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/ > discuss. > > ** Participation and subscription information for this
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:) Indeed. Virus just hit the west coast. Westmont would also love permission to use the content. On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 11:56 AM, Stephen Savarese <ssavar...@smccme.edu> wrote: > We would also like permission. > > Not everyday an informational pamphlet goes viral > > > > Stephen C. Savarese > IT HelpDesk > Southern Maine Community College > 2 Fort Road > South Portland, Maine 04106 > Phone: 207-741-5724 <(207)%20741-5724> > Cell phone: 207-408-5336 <(207)%20408-5336> > > > [image: http://www.smccme.edu/] <http://www.smccme.edu/> > > [image: https://www.facebook.com/smccme] <https://www.facebook.com/smccme> > [image: http://www.twitter.com/SMCCMaine] > <http://www.twitter.com/SMCCMaine> [image: > https://instagram.com/smccmaine/] <https://instagram.com/smccmaine/> [image: > https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCOLQmsBz7ttgY1elS57Am_w] > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCOLQmsBz7ttgY1elS57Am_w> [image: > https://www.linkedin.com/edu/school?id=32146=edu-cp-title] > <https://www.linkedin.com/edu/school?id=32146=edu-cp-title> > > On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 11:24 AM, Walter Reynolds <wa...@umich.edu> wrote: > >> This is a link to a pdf of what we came up with. >> >> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0BKRE3DeEPKb1RWc1BPSkljYUt >> JZjRGel9icmU3NklJRHRv/view >> >> If the link does not allow you to see it I am attaching the file as well. >> >> >> >> Walter Reynolds >> Principal Systems Security Development Engineer >> Information and Technology Services >> University of Michigan >> (734) 615-9438 >> >> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 11:02 AM, Michael Hulko <mihu...@uwo.ca> wrote: >> >>> Netscout.. aka Fluke… aka Airmagnet wrote a pretty easy to understand >>> document related to interference. >>> >>> >>> M >>> >>> On Feb 17, 2017, at 10:44 AM, Jeffrey D. Sessler < >>> j...@scrippscollege.edu <j...@scrippscollege.edu>> wrote: >>> >>> You are fighting a battle that will never be won, and even a stale-mate >>> is unlikely. >>> >>> IMHO, your best bet is to work toward abandoning 2.4. In the early days, >>> we did try outreach and education, but there are just too many devices >>> today that use 2.4, and in many cases, users don’t even know it e.g. >>> Apple’s Airdrop. You can minimize some of this by solving the reasons >>> behind some of the interference sources i.e. install more WAPs to improve >>> the service, reducing the rogue problem. Install residential printers to >>> mitigate the need for student printers. >>> >>> Most of our residential is now designed around dense 5 GHz, and while >>> 2.4 is available, it’s mostly ignored. >>> >>> Jeff >>> >>> *From: *"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" < >>> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU <WIRELESS-LAN@listserv.educause.edu>> >>> on behalf of "Gray, Sean" <sean.gr...@uleth.ca <sean.gr...@uleth.ca>> >>> *Reply-To: *"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" < >>> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU <WIRELESS-LAN@listserv.educause.edu>> >>> *Date: *Thursday, February 16, 2017 at 2:21 PM >>> *To: *"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" < >>> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU <WIRELESS-LAN@listserv.educause.edu>> >>> *Subject: *[WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about >>> interference >>> >>> Hi Fellow Wireless Wizards! >>> >>> This is my first post to the group, so please be gentle. >>> >>> Here at the University of Lethbridge we are about to embark on a bit of >>> an education drive for all of our wireless users with regards to the 2.4GHz >>> spectrum and their impact on it. Does anybody have good examples of >>> notices, posters etc. that they would be willing to share, that reference >>> the evils of rogues and other interference sources citing the negative >>> impact they have on the wireless network. Like everyone else on this list >>> we are seeing huge influxes of our friends the wireless printer, Bluetooth >>> devices and the like… >>> >>> if only we could just turn 2.4GHz off. >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Sean >>> >>> >>> *Sean Gray* | B.Sc (Hons) >>> Voice, Collaboration & Wireless Network Analyst >>> ITS, University of Lethbridge >>> >>> >>
RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference
NAU would also like to use the flyer’s language and give credit. Thanks! -- Bryan Sherwood End-User Computing Specialist, Sr. Student Technology Center Information Technology Services Northern Arizona University [logo-email-sig] From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Allen Matthews Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 8:12 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference Do you have the name of a contact person who develop this flyer? Can I contact them and ask permission to borrow their language in this flyer? We can give them credit, ask them if they want credit and if so, what do they want it to say. On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 11:24 AM, Walter Reynolds <wa...@umich.edu<mailto:wa...@umich.edu>> wrote: This is a link to a pdf of what we came up with. https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0BKRE3DeEPKb1RWc1BPSkljYUtJZjRGel9icmU3NklJRHRv/view If the link does not allow you to see it I am attaching the file as well. Walter Reynolds Principal Systems Security Development Engineer Information and Technology Services University of Michigan (734) 615-9438<tel:%28734%29%20615-9438> Allen Matthews Network Engineer Gallaudet Technology Services Merrill Learning Center 2112 800 Florida Ave NE Washington, DC 20002 allen.matth...@gallaudet.edu<mailto:allen.matth...@gallaudet.edu> ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/discuss. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/discuss.
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference
Hi Walter, Thank you for working this. If at all possible I’d like to credit the person(s) who create this document. My thinking is to acknowledge, the person/people by adding a “created by….” at footer of the document. Regards, John Chappell IT Coordinator Residence Services Mount Royal University Calgary, Alberta Office: 403.440.5198 Mobile: 403.829.6455 "If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough." - Albert Einstein MRU IT Services will NEVER ask you for your password or to update or verify your email account through an email. DO NOT click any links in an email asking you to update or verify your email account. > On Feb 23, 2017, at 10:30, Walter Reynolds <wa...@umich.edu> wrote: > > Ok, they are working on removing UMich specific items so we can make it > available. Anyone who would just like to repurpose the text and create > something yourselves feel free. > > I really think we should lean on each other for not only problems but > informational things like this so here are links to a few other web pages > that might be helpful in case you are interested. > > http://its.umich.edu/enterprise/wifi-networks/device-compatibility-guide > <http://its.umich.edu/enterprise/wifi-networks/device-compatibility-guide> > http://its.umich.edu/enterprise/wifi-networks/wifi/personal-routers > <http://its.umich.edu/enterprise/wifi-networks/wifi/personal-routers> > http://its.umich.edu/enterprise/wifi-networks/wifi/for-unit-it-professionals > <http://its.umich.edu/enterprise/wifi-networks/wifi/for-unit-it-professionals> > (two sections) > Enterprise Access Points vs. Consumer or Home Access Points > FCC Radio Frequency Safety Statement > > > > > Walter Reynolds > Principal Systems Security Development Engineer > Information and Technology Services > University of Michigan > (734) 615-9438 > > On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 12:07 PM, Walter Reynolds <wa...@umich.edu > <mailto:wa...@umich.edu>> wrote: > I will work on getting this done. > > > > Walter Reynolds > Principal Systems Security Development Engineer > Information and Technology Services > University of Michigan > (734) 615-9438 <tel:(734)%20615-9438> > On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 12:47 PM, Jason Watts <jwa...@pratt.edu > <mailto:jwa...@pratt.edu>> wrote: > I was going to ask as well. Take out the institution specific terms and > imagery and open source it, please. > > Jason Watts | Senior Network Administrator > > PRATT INSTITUTE > > > >> On Feb 22, 2017, at 12:41 PM, Watters, John <john.watt...@ua.edu >> <mailto:john.watt...@ua.edu>> wrote: >> >> It sounds like everyone likes it, include us. How about a global >> right-to-use statement from the University of Michigan? >> >> John Watters >> Network Engineer, Office of Information Technology >> >> The University of Alabama <https://www.ua.edu/> >> A115 Gordon Palmer Hall >> Box 870346 >> Tuscaloosa, AL 35487 >> Phone 205-348-3992 >> john.watt...@ua.edu <mailto:john.watt...@ua.edu> >> <https://www.ua.edu/> >> >> From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv >> [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU >> <mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>] On Behalf Of John Chappell >> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 11:04 AM >> To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU >> <mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@listserv.educause.edu> >> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference >> >> That is an amazing PDF, I’d like to request permission to use it as well. >> >> Regards, >> >> John Chappell >> IT Coordinator >> >> Residence Services >> Mount Royal University >> Calgary, Alberta >> Office: 403.440.5198 <tel:(403)%20440-5198> >> Mobile: 403.829.6455 <tel:(403)%20829-6455> >> >> "If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough." - >> Albert Einstein >> >> MRU IT Services will NEVER ask you for your password or to update or verify >> your email account through an email. DO NOT click any links in an email >> asking you to update or verify your email account. >> >> On Feb 22, 2017, at 09:57, Edward Ip <i...@algonquincollege.com >> <mailto:i...@algonquincollege.com>> wrote: >> >> Wonderful pdf. We would like permission to also re-use contents in your pdf >> in helping educating our Residence clients. >> >> Regards, >> E
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference
Ok, they are working on removing UMich specific items so we can make it available. Anyone who would just like to repurpose the text and create something yourselves feel free. I really think we should lean on each other for not only problems but informational things like this so here are links to a few other web pages that might be helpful in case you are interested. http://its.umich.edu/enterprise/wifi-networks/device-compatibility-guide http://its.umich.edu/enterprise/wifi-networks/wifi/personal-routers http://its.umich.edu/enterprise/wifi-networks/wifi/for-unit-it-professionals (two sections) Enterprise Access Points vs. Consumer or Home Access Points FCC Radio Frequency Safety Statement Walter Reynolds Principal Systems Security Development Engineer Information and Technology Services University of Michigan (734) 615-9438 On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 12:07 PM, Walter Reynolds <wa...@umich.edu> wrote: > I will work on getting this done. > > > > Walter Reynolds > Principal Systems Security Development Engineer > Information and Technology Services > University of Michigan > (734) 615-9438 > > On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 12:47 PM, Jason Watts <jwa...@pratt.edu> wrote: > >> I was going to ask as well. Take out the institution specific terms and >> imagery and open source it, please. >> >> *Jason Watts* | Senior Network Administrator >> >> *PRATT INSTITUTE* >> >> >> >> On Feb 22, 2017, at 12:41 PM, Watters, John <john.watt...@ua.edu >> <john.watt...@ua.edu>> wrote: >> >> It sounds like everyone likes it, include us. How about a global >> right-to-use statement from the University of Michigan? >> >> >> *John Watters* >> >> Network Engineer, Office of Information Technology >> >> The University of Alabama <https://www.ua.edu/> >> A115 Gordon Palmer Hall >> Box 870346 >> Tuscaloosa, AL 35487 >> Phone 205-348-3992 >> john.watt...@ua.edu >> <https://www.ua.edu/> >> >> *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [ >> mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU >> <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>] *On Behalf Of *John Chappell >> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 22, 2017 11:04 AM >> *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU >> <WIRELESS-LAN@listserv.educause.edu> >> *Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about >> interference >> >> That is an amazing PDF, I’d like to request permission to use it as well. >> >> Regards, >> >> *John Chappell* >> *IT Coordinator* >> >> *Residence Services * >> Mount Royal University >> Calgary, Alberta >> Office: 403.440.5198 <(403)%20440-5198> >> Mobile: 403.829.6455 <(403)%20829-6455> >> >> "If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough." - >> Albert Einstein >> >> *MRU IT Services will NEVER ask you for your password or to update or >> verify your email account through an email. DO NOT click any links in an >> email asking you to update or verify your email account.* >> >> >> On Feb 22, 2017, at 09:57, Edward Ip <i...@algonquincollege.com> wrote: >> >> Wonderful pdf. We would like permission to also re-use contents in your >> pdf in helping educating our Residence clients. >> >> Regards, >> *Edward Ip* >> *Algonquin College* | 1385 Woodroffe Avenue | Room C316 | Ottawa | >> Ontario | K2G 1V8 | Canada >> algonquincollege.com >> >> *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [ >> mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU >> <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>] *On Behalf Of *Walter Reynolds >> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 21, 2017 11:24 AM >> *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU >> *Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about >> interference >> >> This is a link to a pdf of what we came up with. >> >> >> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0BKRE3DeEPKb1RWc1BPSkljYUt >> JZjRGel9icmU3NklJRHRv/view >> >> >> If the link does not allow you to see it I am attaching the file as well. >> >> >> >> Walter Reynolds >> Principal Systems Security Development Engineer >> Information and Technology Services >> University of Michigan >> (734) 615-9438 >> >> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 11:02 AM, Michael Hulko <mihu...@uwo.ca> wrote: >> >> Netscout.. aka Fluke… aka Airmagnet wrote a pretty easy to understand >> document related t
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference
I will work on getting this done. Walter Reynolds Principal Systems Security Development Engineer Information and Technology Services University of Michigan (734) 615-9438 On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 12:47 PM, Jason Watts <jwa...@pratt.edu> wrote: > I was going to ask as well. Take out the institution specific terms and > imagery and open source it, please. > > *Jason Watts* | Senior Network Administrator > > *PRATT INSTITUTE* > > > > On Feb 22, 2017, at 12:41 PM, Watters, John <john.watt...@ua.edu > <john.watt...@ua.edu>> wrote: > > It sounds like everyone likes it, include us. How about a global > right-to-use statement from the University of Michigan? > > > *John Watters* > > Network Engineer, Office of Information Technology > > The University of Alabama <https://www.ua.edu/> > A115 Gordon Palmer Hall > Box 870346 > Tuscaloosa, AL 35487 > Phone 205-348-3992 > john.watt...@ua.edu > <https://www.ua.edu/> > > *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [ > mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU > <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>] *On Behalf Of *John Chappell > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 22, 2017 11:04 AM > *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU > <WIRELESS-LAN@listserv.educause.edu> > *Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about > interference > > That is an amazing PDF, I’d like to request permission to use it as well. > > Regards, > > *John Chappell* > *IT Coordinator* > > *Residence Services * > Mount Royal University > Calgary, Alberta > Office: 403.440.5198 <(403)%20440-5198> > Mobile: 403.829.6455 <(403)%20829-6455> > > "If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough." - > Albert Einstein > > *MRU IT Services will NEVER ask you for your password or to update or > verify your email account through an email. DO NOT click any links in an > email asking you to update or verify your email account.* > > > On Feb 22, 2017, at 09:57, Edward Ip <i...@algonquincollege.com> wrote: > > Wonderful pdf. We would like permission to also re-use contents in your > pdf in helping educating our Residence clients. > > Regards, > *Edward Ip* > *Algonquin College* | 1385 Woodroffe Avenue | Room C316 | Ottawa | Ontario > | K2G 1V8 | Canada > algonquincollege.com > > *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [ > mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU > <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>] *On Behalf Of *Walter Reynolds > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 21, 2017 11:24 AM > *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU > *Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about > interference > > This is a link to a pdf of what we came up with. > > > https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0BKRE3DeEPKb1RWc1BPSkljYUtJZ > jRGel9icmU3NklJRHRv/view > > > If the link does not allow you to see it I am attaching the file as well. > > > > Walter Reynolds > Principal Systems Security Development Engineer > Information and Technology Services > University of Michigan > (734) 615-9438 > > On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 11:02 AM, Michael Hulko <mihu...@uwo.ca> wrote: > > Netscout.. aka Fluke… aka Airmagnet wrote a pretty easy to understand > document related to interference. > > > M > > > On Feb 17, 2017, at 10:44 AM, Jeffrey D. Sessler <j...@scrippscollege.edu > <j...@scrippscollege.edu>> wrote: > > You are fighting a battle that will never be won, and even a stale-mate is > unlikely. > > IMHO, your best bet is to work toward abandoning 2.4. In the early days, > we did try outreach and education, but there are just too many devices > today that use 2.4, and in many cases, users don’t even know it e.g. > Apple’s Airdrop. You can minimize some of this by solving the reasons > behind some of the interference sources i.e. install more WAPs to improve > the service, reducing the rogue problem. Install residential printers to > mitigate the need for student printers. > > Most of our residential is now designed around dense 5 GHz, and while 2.4 > is available, it’s mostly ignored. > > Jeff > > *From: *"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV. > EDUCAUSE.EDU <WIRELESS-LAN@listserv.educause.edu>> on behalf of "Gray, > Sean" <sean.gr...@uleth.ca <sean.gr...@uleth.ca>> > *Reply-To: *"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV. > EDUCAUSE.EDU <WIRELESS-LAN@listserv.educause.edu>> > *Date: *Thursday, February 16, 2017 at 2:21 PM > *To: *"wire
RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference
Wow I go away for a few days and the thread blows up! Thanks for all the responses so far, all this feedback is very useful and greatly appreciated. Great document from Walter Reynolds – this is the kind of thing we would put near elevators and in laundry rooms in student Residences, online in our support pages and maybe even just something similar to 2nd page as a screen saver on our library PCs. Thanks Sean Sean Gray | B.Sc (Hons) Voice, Collaboration & Wireless Network Analyst ITS, University of Lethbridge From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Peter P Morrissey Sent: February-23-17 8:32 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference A poster in the right place would have a better chance of being read than an email, or something in a campus publication. One of our problems is that there are multiple groups on campus trying to compete for the attention of the students. You can have the most beautifully crafted media, but often it doesn’t appear to get consumed. Pete From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of John Chappell Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 3:25 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference I was thinking the same thing! Regards, John Chappell IT Coordinator Residence Services Mount Royal University Calgary, Alberta Office: 403.440.5198 Mobile: 403.829.6455 "If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough." - Albert Einstein MRU IT Services will NEVER ask you for your password or to update or verify your email account through an email. DO NOT click any links in an email asking you to update or verify your email account. On Feb 22, 2017, at 13:12, Oliver, Jeff <jeff.oli...@uleth.ca<mailto:jeff.oli...@uleth.ca>> wrote: I would love to turn this into a big poster and plaster it all over the campus… Cheers, Jeff From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Peter P Morrissey Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 1:10 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference Me too. Nicely formatted, great graphics, clearly written. Just wondering how this would/could be used. Having a hard time imagining most or any users having enough interest to read the second line of this, never mind the second page, given everything else they are barraged with these days. Pete Morrissey From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Coehoorn, Joel Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 10:30 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference I love the 2nd page with the colored chart and diagram. [http://www.york.edu/Portals/0/Images/Logo/YorkCollegeLogoSmall.jpg] Joel Coehoorn Director of Information Technology 402.363.5603 jcoeho...@york.edu<mailto:jcoeho...@york.edu> The mission of York College is to transform lives through Christ-centered education and to equip students for lifelong service to God, family, and society On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 10:24 AM, Walter Reynolds <wa...@umich.edu<mailto:wa...@umich.edu>> wrote: This is a link to a pdf of what we came up with. https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0BKRE3DeEPKb1RWc1BPSkljYUtJZjRGel9icmU3NklJRHRv/view If the link does not allow you to see it I am attaching the file as well. Walter Reynolds Principal Systems Security Development Engineer Information and Technology Services University of Michigan (734) 615-9438<tel:(734)%20615-9438> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 11:02 AM, Michael Hulko <mihu...@uwo.ca<mailto:mihu...@uwo.ca>> wrote: Netscout.. aka Fluke… aka Airmagnet wrote a pretty easy to understand document related to interference. M On Feb 17, 2017, at 10:44 AM, Jeffrey D. Sessler <j...@scrippscollege.edu<mailto:j...@scrippscollege.edu>> wrote: You are fighting a battle that will never be won, and even a stale-mate is unlikely. IMHO, your best bet is to work toward abandoning 2.4. In the early days, we did try outreach and education, but there are just too many devices today that use 2.4, and in many cases, users don’t even know it e.g. Apple’s Airdrop. You can minimize some of this by solving the reasons behind some of the interference sources i.e. install more WAPs to improve the service, reducing the rogue problem. Install residential printers to mitigate the need
RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference
Makes sense. From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Hall, Rand Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 8:43 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference My primary use for this would be to calm down the haters. I'd put it on the support website and when we can document an interference problem direct impacted parties to it. Rand Rand P. Hall Director, Network Services askIT! Merrimack College 978-837-3532 rand.h...@merrimack.edu<mailto:rand.h...@merrimack.edu> If I had an hour to save the world, I would spend 55 minutes defining the problem and five minutes finding solutions. – Einstein On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 3:09 PM, Peter P Morrissey <ppmor...@syr.edu<mailto:ppmor...@syr.edu>> wrote: Me too. Nicely formatted, great graphics, clearly written. Just wondering how this would/could be used. Having a hard time imagining most or any users having enough interest to read the second line of this, never mind the second page, given everything else they are barraged with these days. Pete Morrissey From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>] On Behalf Of Coehoorn, Joel Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 10:30 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference I love the 2nd page with the colored chart and diagram. [http://www.york.edu/Portals/0/Images/Logo/YorkCollegeLogoSmall.jpg] Joel Coehoorn Director of Information Technology 402.363.5603<tel:(402)%20363-5603> jcoeho...@york.edu<mailto:jcoeho...@york.edu> The mission of York College is to transform lives through Christ-centered education and to equip students for lifelong service to God, family, and society On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 10:24 AM, Walter Reynolds <wa...@umich.edu<mailto:wa...@umich.edu>> wrote: This is a link to a pdf of what we came up with. https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0BKRE3DeEPKb1RWc1BPSkljYUtJZjRGel9icmU3NklJRHRv/view If the link does not allow you to see it I am attaching the file as well. Walter Reynolds Principal Systems Security Development Engineer Information and Technology Services University of Michigan (734) 615-9438<tel:(734)%20615-9438> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 11:02 AM, Michael Hulko <mihu...@uwo.ca<mailto:mihu...@uwo.ca>> wrote: Netscout.. aka Fluke… aka Airmagnet wrote a pretty easy to understand document related to interference. M On Feb 17, 2017, at 10:44 AM, Jeffrey D. Sessler <j...@scrippscollege.edu<mailto:j...@scrippscollege.edu>> wrote: You are fighting a battle that will never be won, and even a stale-mate is unlikely. IMHO, your best bet is to work toward abandoning 2.4. In the early days, we did try outreach and education, but there are just too many devices today that use 2.4, and in many cases, users don’t even know it e.g. Apple’s Airdrop. You can minimize some of this by solving the reasons behind some of the interference sources i.e. install more WAPs to improve the service, reducing the rogue problem. Install residential printers to mitigate the need for student printers. Most of our residential is now designed around dense 5 GHz, and while 2.4 is available, it’s mostly ignored. Jeff From: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu<mailto:wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu>" <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@listserv.educause.edu>> on behalf of "Gray, Sean" <sean.gr...@uleth.ca<mailto:sean.gr...@uleth.ca>> Reply-To: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu<mailto:wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu>" <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@listserv.educause.edu>> Date: Thursday, February 16, 2017 at 2:21 PM To: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu<mailto:wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu>" <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@listserv.educause.edu>> Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference Hi Fellow Wireless Wizards! This is my first post to the group, so please be gentle. Here at the University of Lethbridge we are about to embark on a bit of an education drive for all of our wireless users with regards to the 2.4GHz spectrum and their impact on it. Does anybody have good examples of notices, posters etc. that they would be willing to share, that reference the evils of rogues and other interference sources citing the negative impact they have on the wireless network. Like everyone else on this list we are seeing huge influxes of our friends the wireless printer, Bluetooth devices and the
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A poster in the right place would have a better chance of being read than an email, or something in a campus publication. One of our problems is that there are multiple groups on campus trying to compete for the attention of the students. You can have the most beautifully crafted media, but often it doesn’t appear to get consumed. Pete From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of John Chappell Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 3:25 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference I was thinking the same thing! Regards, John Chappell IT Coordinator Residence Services Mount Royal University Calgary, Alberta Office: 403.440.5198 Mobile: 403.829.6455 "If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough." - Albert Einstein MRU IT Services will NEVER ask you for your password or to update or verify your email account through an email. DO NOT click any links in an email asking you to update or verify your email account. On Feb 22, 2017, at 13:12, Oliver, Jeff <jeff.oli...@uleth.ca<mailto:jeff.oli...@uleth.ca>> wrote: I would love to turn this into a big poster and plaster it all over the campus… Cheers, Jeff From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Peter P Morrissey Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 1:10 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference Me too. Nicely formatted, great graphics, clearly written. Just wondering how this would/could be used. Having a hard time imagining most or any users having enough interest to read the second line of this, never mind the second page, given everything else they are barraged with these days. Pete Morrissey From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Coehoorn, Joel Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 10:30 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference I love the 2nd page with the colored chart and diagram. [http://www.york.edu/Portals/0/Images/Logo/YorkCollegeLogoSmall.jpg] Joel Coehoorn Director of Information Technology 402.363.5603 jcoeho...@york.edu<mailto:jcoeho...@york.edu> The mission of York College is to transform lives through Christ-centered education and to equip students for lifelong service to God, family, and society On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 10:24 AM, Walter Reynolds <wa...@umich.edu<mailto:wa...@umich.edu>> wrote: This is a link to a pdf of what we came up with. https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0BKRE3DeEPKb1RWc1BPSkljYUtJZjRGel9icmU3NklJRHRv/view If the link does not allow you to see it I am attaching the file as well. Walter Reynolds Principal Systems Security Development Engineer Information and Technology Services University of Michigan (734) 615-9438<tel:(734)%20615-9438> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 11:02 AM, Michael Hulko <mihu...@uwo.ca<mailto:mihu...@uwo.ca>> wrote: Netscout.. aka Fluke… aka Airmagnet wrote a pretty easy to understand document related to interference. M On Feb 17, 2017, at 10:44 AM, Jeffrey D. Sessler <j...@scrippscollege.edu<mailto:j...@scrippscollege.edu>> wrote: You are fighting a battle that will never be won, and even a stale-mate is unlikely. IMHO, your best bet is to work toward abandoning 2.4. In the early days, we did try outreach and education, but there are just too many devices today that use 2.4, and in many cases, users don’t even know it e.g. Apple’s Airdrop. You can minimize some of this by solving the reasons behind some of the interference sources i.e. install more WAPs to improve the service, reducing the rogue problem. Install residential printers to mitigate the need for student printers. Most of our residential is now designed around dense 5 GHz, and while 2.4 is available, it’s mostly ignored. Jeff From: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu<mailto:wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu>" <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@listserv.educause.edu>> on behalf of "Gray, Sean" <sean.gr...@uleth.ca<mailto:sean.gr...@uleth.ca>> Reply-To: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu<mailto:wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu>" <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@listserv.educause.edu>> Date: Thursday, February 16, 2017 at 2:21 PM To: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu<mailto:wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu>" <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@listse
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We would also be interested in gaining permission to use the language. This looks really good! Rob Kobiske University of Wisconsin – Stevens Point From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Allen Matthews Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 9:12 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference Do you have the name of a contact person who develop this flyer? Can I contact them and ask permission to borrow their language in this flyer? We can give them credit, ask them if they want credit and if so, what do they want it to say. On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 11:24 AM, Walter Reynolds <wa...@umich.edu<mailto:wa...@umich.edu>> wrote: This is a link to a pdf of what we came up with. https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0BKRE3DeEPKb1RWc1BPSkljYUtJZjRGel9icmU3NklJRHRv/view If the link does not allow you to see it I am attaching the file as well. Walter Reynolds Principal Systems Security Development Engineer Information and Technology Services University of Michigan (734) 615-9438<tel:%28734%29%20615-9438> Allen Matthews Network Engineer Gallaudet Technology Services Merrill Learning Center 2112 800 Florida Ave NE Washington, DC 20002 allen.matth...@gallaudet.edu<mailto:allen.matth...@gallaudet.edu> ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/discuss. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/discuss.
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Do you have the name of a contact person who develop this flyer? Can I contact them and ask permission to borrow their language in this flyer? We can give them credit, ask them if they want credit and if so, what do they want it to say. On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 11:24 AM, Walter Reynoldswrote: > This is a link to a pdf of what we came up with. > > https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0BKRE3DeEPKb1RWc1BPSkljYUtJZ > jRGel9icmU3NklJRHRv/view > > If the link does not allow you to see it I am attaching the file as well. > > > > Walter Reynolds > Principal Systems Security Development Engineer > Information and Technology Services > University of Michigan > (734) 615-9438 > > Allen Matthews Network Engineer Gallaudet Technology Services Merrill Learning Center 2112 800 Florida Ave NE Washington, DC 20002 allen.matth...@gallaudet.edu ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/discuss.
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We’d be interested in using this PDF as well if possible – it reminds me heavily of the Excel spreadsheet version of Wi-Fi interference and devices. Very informative and well done. Although it’s sometimes a losing battle with 2.4GHz and some students just “don’t care” about the reason of these problems – it’s still good to have an answer – even if it’s one they don’t like. Christopher Johnson Wireless Network Engineer AT Infrastructure Operations & Networking (ION) Illinois State University (309) 438-8444 Stay connected with ISU IT news and tips with @ISU IT Help on Facebook<https://www.facebook.com/ISUITHelp/> and Twitter<https://twitter.com/ISUITHelp> From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Walter Reynolds Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 10:24 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference This is a link to a pdf of what we came up with. https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0BKRE3DeEPKb1RWc1BPSkljYUtJZjRGel9icmU3NklJRHRv/view If the link does not allow you to see it I am attaching the file as well. Walter Reynolds Principal Systems Security Development Engineer Information and Technology Services University of Michigan (734) 615-9438 On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 11:02 AM, Michael Hulko <mihu...@uwo.ca<mailto:mihu...@uwo.ca>> wrote: Netscout.. aka Fluke… aka Airmagnet wrote a pretty easy to understand document related to interference. M On Feb 17, 2017, at 10:44 AM, Jeffrey D. Sessler <j...@scrippscollege.edu<mailto:j...@scrippscollege.edu>> wrote: You are fighting a battle that will never be won, and even a stale-mate is unlikely. IMHO, your best bet is to work toward abandoning 2.4. In the early days, we did try outreach and education, but there are just too many devices today that use 2.4, and in many cases, users don’t even know it e.g. Apple’s Airdrop. You can minimize some of this by solving the reasons behind some of the interference sources i.e. install more WAPs to improve the service, reducing the rogue problem. Install residential printers to mitigate the need for student printers. Most of our residential is now designed around dense 5 GHz, and while 2.4 is available, it’s mostly ignored. Jeff From: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu<mailto:wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu>" <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@listserv.educause.edu>> on behalf of "Gray, Sean" <sean.gr...@uleth.ca<mailto:sean.gr...@uleth.ca>> Reply-To: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu<mailto:wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu>" <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@listserv.educause.edu>> Date: Thursday, February 16, 2017 at 2:21 PM To: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu<mailto:wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu>" <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@listserv.educause.edu>> Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference Hi Fellow Wireless Wizards! This is my first post to the group, so please be gentle. Here at the University of Lethbridge we are about to embark on a bit of an education drive for all of our wireless users with regards to the 2.4GHz spectrum and their impact on it. Does anybody have good examples of notices, posters etc. that they would be willing to share, that reference the evils of rogues and other interference sources citing the negative impact they have on the wireless network. Like everyone else on this list we are seeing huge influxes of our friends the wireless printer, Bluetooth devices and the like… if only we could just turn 2.4GHz off. Thanks Sean Sean Gray | B.Sc (Hons) Voice, Collaboration & Wireless Network Analyst ITS, University of Lethbridge ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/discuss. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/discuss. Michael Hulko Network Analyst Western University Canada Network Operations Centre Information Technology Services 1393 Western Road, SSB 3300CC London, Ontario N6G 1G9 tel: 519-661-2111 x82433<tel:(519)%20661-2111> direct: 519-850-2433<tel:(519)%20850-2433> e-mail: mihu...@uwo.ca<mailto:mihu...@uwo.ca> ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/discuss. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/discuss. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/discuss.
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That’s brilliant and disgusting all at the same time. It gives viral marketing a whole new meaning. And I bet it’s effective! From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Dexter Caldwell Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 3:43 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference I hate to bring this up, but we have something all the Flusher. http://www.furman.edu/sites/marketing/services/Pages/communications.aspx It gets posted right above bathtroom urinals at eye level and on the inside of stall doors or on the wall above the toilets. Students are paid to deliver it. There are already little paper hold clips on the wall so they take one down and post the new one quickly. Rather effective I might say. It’s a narrow reader that gives you notice about upcoming events and such. I’ve never seen one being delivered, but they magically show up. Just saying… From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Danny Eaton Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 3:27 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference That was my thinking – putting it in each residential college/dorm, graduate apartments housing, etc. From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Oliver, Jeff Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 2:13 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference I would love to turn this into a big poster and plaster it all over the campus… Cheers, Jeff From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Peter P Morrissey Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 1:10 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference Me too. Nicely formatted, great graphics, clearly written. Just wondering how this would/could be used. Having a hard time imagining most or any users having enough interest to read the second line of this, never mind the second page, given everything else they are barraged with these days. Pete Morrissey From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Coehoorn, Joel Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 10:30 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference I love the 2nd page with the colored chart and diagram. [http://www.york.edu/Portals/0/Images/Logo/YorkCollegeLogoSmall.jpg] Joel Coehoorn Director of Information Technology 402.363.5603 jcoeho...@york.edu<mailto:jcoeho...@york.edu> The mission of York College is to transform lives through Christ-centered education and to equip students for lifelong service to God, family, and society On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 10:24 AM, Walter Reynolds <wa...@umich.edu<mailto:wa...@umich.edu>> wrote: This is a link to a pdf of what we came up with. https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0BKRE3DeEPKb1RWc1BPSkljYUtJZjRGel9icmU3NklJRHRv/view If the link does not allow you to see it I am attaching the file as well. Walter Reynolds Principal Systems Security Development Engineer Information and Technology Services University of Michigan (734) 615-9438<tel:(734)%20615-9438> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 11:02 AM, Michael Hulko <mihu...@uwo.ca<mailto:mihu...@uwo.ca>> wrote: Netscout.. aka Fluke… aka Airmagnet wrote a pretty easy to understand document related to interference. M On Feb 17, 2017, at 10:44 AM, Jeffrey D. Sessler <j...@scrippscollege.edu<mailto:j...@scrippscollege.edu>> wrote: You are fighting a battle that will never be won, and even a stale-mate is unlikely. IMHO, your best bet is to work toward abandoning 2.4. In the early days, we did try outreach and education, but there are just too many devices today that use 2.4, and in many cases, users don’t even know it e.g. Apple’s Airdrop. You can minimize some of this by solving the reasons behind some of the interference sources i.e. install more WAPs to improve the service, reducing the rogue problem. Install residential printers to mitigate the need for student printers. Most of our residential is now designed around dense 5 GHz, and while 2.4 is available, it’s mostly ignored. Jeff From: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu<mailto:wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu>" <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.E
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My primary use for this would be to calm down the haters. I'd put it on the support website and when we can document an interference problem direct impacted parties to it. Rand Rand P. Hall Director, Network Services askIT! Merrimack College 978-837-3532 rand.h...@merrimack.edu If I had an hour to save the world, I would spend 55 minutes defining the problem and five minutes finding solutions. – Einstein On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 3:09 PM, Peter P Morrissey <ppmor...@syr.edu> wrote: > Me too. Nicely formatted, great graphics, clearly written. Just wondering > how this would/could be used. Having a hard time imagining most or any > users having enough interest to read the second line of this, never mind > the second page, given everything else they are barraged with these days. > > > > Pete Morrissey > > > > *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto: > WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] *On Behalf Of *Coehoorn, Joel > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 22, 2017 10:30 AM > *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU > *Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about > interference > > > > I love the 2nd page with the colored chart and diagram. > > > > > Joel Coehoorn > Director of Information Technology > 402.363.5603 <(402)%20363-5603> > *jcoeho...@york.edu <jcoeho...@york.edu>* > > The mission of York College is to transform lives through > Christ-centered education and to equip students for lifelong service to > God, family, and society > > > > On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 10:24 AM, Walter Reynolds <wa...@umich.edu> wrote: > > This is a link to a pdf of what we came up with. > > > > https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0BKRE3DeEPKb1RWc1BPSkljYUtJZ > jRGel9icmU3NklJRHRv/view > > > > If the link does not allow you to see it I am attaching the file as well. > > > > > > > Walter Reynolds > > Principal Systems Security Development Engineer > Information and Technology Services > University of Michigan > (734) 615-9438 > > > > On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 11:02 AM, Michael Hulko <mihu...@uwo.ca> wrote: > > Netscout.. aka Fluke… aka Airmagnet wrote a pretty easy to understand > document related to interference. > > > > > > M > > > > On Feb 17, 2017, at 10:44 AM, Jeffrey D. Sessler <j...@scrippscollege.edu > <j...@scrippscollege.edu>> wrote: > > > > You are fighting a battle that will never be won, and even a stale-mate is > unlikely. > > > > IMHO, your best bet is to work toward abandoning 2.4. In the early days, > we did try outreach and education, but there are just too many devices > today that use 2.4, and in many cases, users don’t even know it e.g. > Apple’s Airdrop. You can minimize some of this by solving the reasons > behind some of the interference sources i.e. install more WAPs to improve > the service, reducing the rogue problem. Install residential printers to > mitigate the need for student printers. > > > > Most of our residential is now designed around dense 5 GHz, and while 2.4 > is available, it’s mostly ignored. > > > > Jeff > > > > *From: *"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV. > EDUCAUSE.EDU <WIRELESS-LAN@listserv.educause.edu>> on behalf of "Gray, > Sean" <sean.gr...@uleth.ca <sean.gr...@uleth.ca>> > *Reply-To: *"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV. > EDUCAUSE.EDU <WIRELESS-LAN@listserv.educause.edu>> > *Date: *Thursday, February 16, 2017 at 2:21 PM > *To: *"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV. > EDUCAUSE.EDU <WIRELESS-LAN@listserv.educause.edu>> > *Subject: *[WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference > > > > Hi Fellow Wireless Wizards! > > > > This is my first post to the group, so please be gentle. > > > > Here at the University of Lethbridge we are about to embark on a bit of an > education drive for all of our wireless users with regards to the 2.4GHz > spectrum and their impact on it. Does anybody have good examples of > notices, posters etc. that they would be willing to share, that reference > the evils of rogues and other interference sources citing the negative > impact they have on the wireless network. Like everyone else on this list > we are seeing huge influxes of our friends the wireless printer, Bluetooth > devices and the like… > > > > if only we could just turn 2.4GHz off. > > > > Thanks > > > > Sean > > > > > > *Sean Gray* | B.Sc (Hons) > >
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Thinking of creating a poster board and display in library and lobby’s in dorms during the 1st couple of weeks during the start of the semester for starters. From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Peter P Morrissey Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 3:10 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference Me too. Nicely formatted, great graphics, clearly written. Just wondering how this would/could be used. Having a hard time imagining most or any users having enough interest to read the second line of this, never mind the second page, given everything else they are barraged with these days. Pete Morrissey From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Coehoorn, Joel Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 10:30 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference I love the 2nd page with the colored chart and diagram. [http://www.york.edu/Portals/0/Images/Logo/YorkCollegeLogoSmall.jpg] Joel Coehoorn Director of Information Technology 402.363.5603 jcoeho...@york.edu<mailto:jcoeho...@york.edu> The mission of York College is to transform lives through Christ-centered education and to equip students for lifelong service to God, family, and society On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 10:24 AM, Walter Reynolds <wa...@umich.edu<mailto:wa...@umich.edu>> wrote: This is a link to a pdf of what we came up with. https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0BKRE3DeEPKb1RWc1BPSkljYUtJZjRGel9icmU3NklJRHRv/view If the link does not allow you to see it I am attaching the file as well. Walter Reynolds Principal Systems Security Development Engineer Information and Technology Services University of Michigan (734) 615-9438<tel:(734)%20615-9438> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 11:02 AM, Michael Hulko <mihu...@uwo.ca<mailto:mihu...@uwo.ca>> wrote: Netscout.. aka Fluke… aka Airmagnet wrote a pretty easy to understand document related to interference. M On Feb 17, 2017, at 10:44 AM, Jeffrey D. Sessler <j...@scrippscollege.edu<mailto:j...@scrippscollege.edu>> wrote: You are fighting a battle that will never be won, and even a stale-mate is unlikely. IMHO, your best bet is to work toward abandoning 2.4. In the early days, we did try outreach and education, but there are just too many devices today that use 2.4, and in many cases, users don’t even know it e.g. Apple’s Airdrop. You can minimize some of this by solving the reasons behind some of the interference sources i.e. install more WAPs to improve the service, reducing the rogue problem. Install residential printers to mitigate the need for student printers. Most of our residential is now designed around dense 5 GHz, and while 2.4 is available, it’s mostly ignored. Jeff From: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu<mailto:wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu>" <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@listserv.educause.edu>> on behalf of "Gray, Sean" <sean.gr...@uleth.ca<mailto:sean.gr...@uleth.ca>> Reply-To: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu<mailto:wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu>" <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@listserv.educause.edu>> Date: Thursday, February 16, 2017 at 2:21 PM To: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu<mailto:wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu>" <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@listserv.educause.edu>> Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference Hi Fellow Wireless Wizards! This is my first post to the group, so please be gentle. Here at the University of Lethbridge we are about to embark on a bit of an education drive for all of our wireless users with regards to the 2.4GHz spectrum and their impact on it. Does anybody have good examples of notices, posters etc. that they would be willing to share, that reference the evils of rogues and other interference sources citing the negative impact they have on the wireless network. Like everyone else on this list we are seeing huge influxes of our friends the wireless printer, Bluetooth devices and the like… if only we could just turn 2.4GHz off. Thanks Sean Sean Gray | B.Sc (Hons) Voice, Collaboration & Wireless Network Analyst ITS, University of Lethbridge ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/discuss. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/discuss. Michael Hulko Netwo
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I hate to bring this up, but we have something all the Flusher. http://www.furman.edu/sites/marketing/services/Pages/communications.aspx It gets posted right above bathtroom urinals at eye level and on the inside of stall doors or on the wall above the toilets. Students are paid to deliver it. There are already little paper hold clips on the wall so they take one down and post the new one quickly. Rather effective I might say. It’s a narrow reader that gives you notice about upcoming events and such. I’ve never seen one being delivered, but they magically show up. Just saying… From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Danny Eaton Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 3:27 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference That was my thinking – putting it in each residential college/dorm, graduate apartments housing, etc. From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Oliver, Jeff Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 2:13 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference I would love to turn this into a big poster and plaster it all over the campus… Cheers, Jeff From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Peter P Morrissey Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 1:10 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference Me too. Nicely formatted, great graphics, clearly written. Just wondering how this would/could be used. Having a hard time imagining most or any users having enough interest to read the second line of this, never mind the second page, given everything else they are barraged with these days. Pete Morrissey From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Coehoorn, Joel Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 10:30 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference I love the 2nd page with the colored chart and diagram. [http://www.york.edu/Portals/0/Images/Logo/YorkCollegeLogoSmall.jpg] Joel Coehoorn Director of Information Technology 402.363.5603 jcoeho...@york.edu<mailto:jcoeho...@york.edu> The mission of York College is to transform lives through Christ-centered education and to equip students for lifelong service to God, family, and society On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 10:24 AM, Walter Reynolds <wa...@umich.edu<mailto:wa...@umich.edu>> wrote: This is a link to a pdf of what we came up with. https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0BKRE3DeEPKb1RWc1BPSkljYUtJZjRGel9icmU3NklJRHRv/view If the link does not allow you to see it I am attaching the file as well. Walter Reynolds Principal Systems Security Development Engineer Information and Technology Services University of Michigan (734) 615-9438<tel:(734)%20615-9438> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 11:02 AM, Michael Hulko <mihu...@uwo.ca<mailto:mihu...@uwo.ca>> wrote: Netscout.. aka Fluke… aka Airmagnet wrote a pretty easy to understand document related to interference. M On Feb 17, 2017, at 10:44 AM, Jeffrey D. Sessler <j...@scrippscollege.edu<mailto:j...@scrippscollege.edu>> wrote: You are fighting a battle that will never be won, and even a stale-mate is unlikely. IMHO, your best bet is to work toward abandoning 2.4. In the early days, we did try outreach and education, but there are just too many devices today that use 2.4, and in many cases, users don’t even know it e.g. Apple’s Airdrop. You can minimize some of this by solving the reasons behind some of the interference sources i.e. install more WAPs to improve the service, reducing the rogue problem. Install residential printers to mitigate the need for student printers. Most of our residential is now designed around dense 5 GHz, and while 2.4 is available, it’s mostly ignored. Jeff From: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu<mailto:wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu>" <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@listserv.educause.edu>> on behalf of "Gray, Sean" <sean.gr...@uleth.ca<mailto:sean.gr...@uleth.ca>> Reply-To: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu<mailto:wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu>" <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@listserv.educause.edu>> Date: Thursday, February 16, 2017 at 2:21 PM To: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu<mailto:wireless-lan@lists
RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference
That was my thinking – putting it in each residential college/dorm, graduate apartments housing, etc. From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Oliver, Jeff Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 2:13 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference I would love to turn this into a big poster and plaster it all over the campus… Cheers, Jeff From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Peter P Morrissey Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 1:10 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU <mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference Me too. Nicely formatted, great graphics, clearly written. Just wondering how this would/could be used. Having a hard time imagining most or any users having enough interest to read the second line of this, never mind the second page, given everything else they are barraged with these days. Pete Morrissey From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Coehoorn, Joel Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 10:30 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU <mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference I love the 2nd page with the colored chart and diagram. <http://www.york.edu/Portals/0/Images/Logo/YorkCollegeLogoSmall.jpg> Joel Coehoorn Director of Information Technology 402.363.5603 jcoeho...@york.edu <mailto:jcoeho...@york.edu> The mission of York College is to transform lives through Christ-centered education and to equip students for lifelong service to God, family, and society On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 10:24 AM, Walter Reynolds <wa...@umich.edu <mailto:wa...@umich.edu> > wrote: This is a link to a pdf of what we came up with. https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0BKRE3DeEPKb1RWc1BPSkljYUtJZjRGel9icmU3NklJRHRv/view If the link does not allow you to see it I am attaching the file as well. Walter Reynolds Principal Systems Security Development Engineer Information and Technology Services University of Michigan (734) 615-9438 <tel:(734)%20615-9438> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 11:02 AM, Michael Hulko <mihu...@uwo.ca <mailto:mihu...@uwo.ca> > wrote: Netscout.. aka Fluke… aka Airmagnet wrote a pretty easy to understand document related to interference. M On Feb 17, 2017, at 10:44 AM, Jeffrey D. Sessler <j...@scrippscollege.edu <mailto:j...@scrippscollege.edu> > wrote: You are fighting a battle that will never be won, and even a stale-mate is unlikely. IMHO, your best bet is to work toward abandoning 2.4. In the early days, we did try outreach and education, but there are just too many devices today that use 2.4, and in many cases, users don’t even know it e.g. Apple’s Airdrop. You can minimize some of this by solving the reasons behind some of the interference sources i.e. install more WAPs to improve the service, reducing the rogue problem. Install residential printers to mitigate the need for student printers. Most of our residential is now designed around dense 5 GHz, and while 2.4 is available, it’s mostly ignored. Jeff From: " <mailto:wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu> wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" < <mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@listserv.educause.edu> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> on behalf of "Gray, Sean" < <mailto:sean.gr...@uleth.ca> sean.gr...@uleth.ca> Reply-To: " <mailto:wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu> wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" < <mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@listserv.educause.edu> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> Date: Thursday, February 16, 2017 at 2:21 PM To: " <mailto:wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu> wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" < <mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@listserv.educause.edu> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference Hi Fellow Wireless Wizards! This is my first post to the group, so please be gentle. Here at the University of Lethbridge we are about to embark on a bit of an education drive for all of our wireless users with regards to the 2.4GHz spectrum and their impact on it. Does anybody have good examples of notices, posters etc. that they would be willing to share, that reference the evils of rogues and other interference sources citing the negative impact they have on the wireless network. Like everyone else on this list we are seeing huge influxes of our friends the wirel
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I was thinking the same thing! Regards, John Chappell IT Coordinator Residence Services Mount Royal University Calgary, Alberta Office: 403.440.5198 Mobile: 403.829.6455 "If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough." - Albert Einstein MRU IT Services will NEVER ask you for your password or to update or verify your email account through an email. DO NOT click any links in an email asking you to update or verify your email account. > On Feb 22, 2017, at 13:12, Oliver, Jeff <jeff.oli...@uleth.ca> wrote: > > I would love to turn this into a big poster and plaster it all over the > campus… <> > > Cheers, > Jeff > > From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv > [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Peter P Morrissey > Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 1:10 PM > To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU > Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference > > Me too. Nicely formatted, great graphics, clearly written. Just wondering how > this would/could be used. Having a hard time imagining most or any users > having enough interest to read the second line of this, never mind the second > page, given everything else they are barraged with these days. > > Pete Morrissey > > From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv > [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU > <mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>] On Behalf Of Coehoorn, Joel > Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 10:30 AM > To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU > <mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> > Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference > > I love the 2nd page with the colored chart and diagram. > > > > > Joel Coehoorn > Director of Information Technology > 402.363.5603 > jcoeho...@york.edu <mailto:jcoeho...@york.edu> > The mission of York College is to transform lives through Christ-centered > education and to equip students for lifelong service to God, family, and > society > > On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 10:24 AM, Walter Reynolds <wa...@umich.edu > <mailto:wa...@umich.edu>> wrote: > This is a link to a pdf of what we came up with. > > https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0BKRE3DeEPKb1RWc1BPSkljYUtJZjRGel9icmU3NklJRHRv/view > > <https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0BKRE3DeEPKb1RWc1BPSkljYUtJZjRGel9icmU3NklJRHRv/view> > > If the link does not allow you to see it I am attaching the file as well. > > > > Walter Reynolds > Principal Systems Security Development Engineer > Information and Technology Services > University of Michigan > (734) 615-9438 <tel:(734)%20615-9438> > > On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 11:02 AM, Michael Hulko <mihu...@uwo.ca > <mailto:mihu...@uwo.ca>> wrote: > Netscout.. aka Fluke… aka Airmagnet wrote a pretty easy to understand > document related to interference. > > > M > > On Feb 17, 2017, at 10:44 AM, Jeffrey D. Sessler <j...@scrippscollege.edu > <mailto:j...@scrippscollege.edu>> wrote: > > You are fighting a battle that will never be won, and even a stale-mate is > unlikely. > > IMHO, your best bet is to work toward abandoning 2.4. In the early days, we > did try outreach and education, but there are just too many devices today > that use 2.4, and in many cases, users don’t even know it e.g. Apple’s > Airdrop. You can minimize some of this by solving the reasons behind some of > the interference sources i.e. install more WAPs to improve the service, > reducing the rogue problem. Install residential printers to mitigate the need > for student printers. > > Most of our residential is now designed around dense 5 GHz, and while 2.4 is > available, it’s mostly ignored. > > Jeff > > From: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu > <mailto:wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu>" > <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU > <mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@listserv.educause.edu>> on behalf of "Gray, Sean" > <sean.gr...@uleth.ca <mailto:sean.gr...@uleth.ca>> > Reply-To: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu > <mailto:wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu>" > <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU > <mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@listserv.educause.edu>> > Date: Thursday, February 16, 2017 at 2:21 PM > To: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu > <mailto:wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu>" > <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU > <mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@listserv.educause.edu>> > Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interf
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I would love to turn this into a big poster and plaster it all over the campus… Cheers, Jeff From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Peter P Morrissey Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 1:10 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference Me too. Nicely formatted, great graphics, clearly written. Just wondering how this would/could be used. Having a hard time imagining most or any users having enough interest to read the second line of this, never mind the second page, given everything else they are barraged with these days. Pete Morrissey From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Coehoorn, Joel Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 10:30 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference I love the 2nd page with the colored chart and diagram. [http://www.york.edu/Portals/0/Images/Logo/YorkCollegeLogoSmall.jpg] Joel Coehoorn Director of Information Technology 402.363.5603 jcoeho...@york.edu<mailto:jcoeho...@york.edu> The mission of York College is to transform lives through Christ-centered education and to equip students for lifelong service to God, family, and society On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 10:24 AM, Walter Reynolds <wa...@umich.edu<mailto:wa...@umich.edu>> wrote: This is a link to a pdf of what we came up with. https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0BKRE3DeEPKb1RWc1BPSkljYUtJZjRGel9icmU3NklJRHRv/view If the link does not allow you to see it I am attaching the file as well. Walter Reynolds Principal Systems Security Development Engineer Information and Technology Services University of Michigan (734) 615-9438<tel:(734)%20615-9438> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 11:02 AM, Michael Hulko <mihu...@uwo.ca<mailto:mihu...@uwo.ca>> wrote: Netscout.. aka Fluke… aka Airmagnet wrote a pretty easy to understand document related to interference. M On Feb 17, 2017, at 10:44 AM, Jeffrey D. Sessler <j...@scrippscollege.edu<mailto:j...@scrippscollege.edu>> wrote: You are fighting a battle that will never be won, and even a stale-mate is unlikely. IMHO, your best bet is to work toward abandoning 2.4. In the early days, we did try outreach and education, but there are just too many devices today that use 2.4, and in many cases, users don’t even know it e.g. Apple’s Airdrop. You can minimize some of this by solving the reasons behind some of the interference sources i.e. install more WAPs to improve the service, reducing the rogue problem. Install residential printers to mitigate the need for student printers. Most of our residential is now designed around dense 5 GHz, and while 2.4 is available, it’s mostly ignored. Jeff From: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu<mailto:wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu>" <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@listserv.educause.edu>> on behalf of "Gray, Sean" <sean.gr...@uleth.ca<mailto:sean.gr...@uleth.ca>> Reply-To: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu<mailto:wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu>" <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@listserv.educause.edu>> Date: Thursday, February 16, 2017 at 2:21 PM To: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu<mailto:wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu>" <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@listserv.educause.edu>> Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference Hi Fellow Wireless Wizards! This is my first post to the group, so please be gentle. Here at the University of Lethbridge we are about to embark on a bit of an education drive for all of our wireless users with regards to the 2.4GHz spectrum and their impact on it. Does anybody have good examples of notices, posters etc. that they would be willing to share, that reference the evils of rogues and other interference sources citing the negative impact they have on the wireless network. Like everyone else on this list we are seeing huge influxes of our friends the wireless printer, Bluetooth devices and the like… if only we could just turn 2.4GHz off. Thanks Sean Sean Gray | B.Sc (Hons) Voice, Collaboration & Wireless Network Analyst ITS, University of Lethbridge ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/discuss. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/discuss. Michael Hulko Network Analyst Western University Canada Network Operations Centre
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Me too. Nicely formatted, great graphics, clearly written. Just wondering how this would/could be used. Having a hard time imagining most or any users having enough interest to read the second line of this, never mind the second page, given everything else they are barraged with these days. Pete Morrissey From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Coehoorn, Joel Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 10:30 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference I love the 2nd page with the colored chart and diagram. [http://www.york.edu/Portals/0/Images/Logo/YorkCollegeLogoSmall.jpg] Joel Coehoorn Director of Information Technology 402.363.5603 jcoeho...@york.edu<mailto:jcoeho...@york.edu> The mission of York College is to transform lives through Christ-centered education and to equip students for lifelong service to God, family, and society On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 10:24 AM, Walter Reynolds <wa...@umich.edu<mailto:wa...@umich.edu>> wrote: This is a link to a pdf of what we came up with. https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0BKRE3DeEPKb1RWc1BPSkljYUtJZjRGel9icmU3NklJRHRv/view If the link does not allow you to see it I am attaching the file as well. Walter Reynolds Principal Systems Security Development Engineer Information and Technology Services University of Michigan (734) 615-9438<tel:(734)%20615-9438> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 11:02 AM, Michael Hulko <mihu...@uwo.ca<mailto:mihu...@uwo.ca>> wrote: Netscout.. aka Fluke… aka Airmagnet wrote a pretty easy to understand document related to interference. M On Feb 17, 2017, at 10:44 AM, Jeffrey D. Sessler <j...@scrippscollege.edu<mailto:j...@scrippscollege.edu>> wrote: You are fighting a battle that will never be won, and even a stale-mate is unlikely. IMHO, your best bet is to work toward abandoning 2.4. In the early days, we did try outreach and education, but there are just too many devices today that use 2.4, and in many cases, users don’t even know it e.g. Apple’s Airdrop. You can minimize some of this by solving the reasons behind some of the interference sources i.e. install more WAPs to improve the service, reducing the rogue problem. Install residential printers to mitigate the need for student printers. Most of our residential is now designed around dense 5 GHz, and while 2.4 is available, it’s mostly ignored. Jeff From: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu<mailto:wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu>" <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@listserv.educause.edu>> on behalf of "Gray, Sean" <sean.gr...@uleth.ca<mailto:sean.gr...@uleth.ca>> Reply-To: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu<mailto:wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu>" <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@listserv.educause.edu>> Date: Thursday, February 16, 2017 at 2:21 PM To: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu<mailto:wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu>" <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@listserv.educause.edu>> Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference Hi Fellow Wireless Wizards! This is my first post to the group, so please be gentle. Here at the University of Lethbridge we are about to embark on a bit of an education drive for all of our wireless users with regards to the 2.4GHz spectrum and their impact on it. Does anybody have good examples of notices, posters etc. that they would be willing to share, that reference the evils of rogues and other interference sources citing the negative impact they have on the wireless network. Like everyone else on this list we are seeing huge influxes of our friends the wireless printer, Bluetooth devices and the like… if only we could just turn 2.4GHz off. Thanks Sean Sean Gray | B.Sc (Hons) Voice, Collaboration & Wireless Network Analyst ITS, University of Lethbridge ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/discuss. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/discuss. Michael Hulko Network Analyst Western University Canada Network Operations Centre Information Technology Services 1393 Western Road, SSB 3300CC London, Ontario N6G 1G9 tel: 519-661-2111 x82433<tel:(519)%20661-2111> direct: 519-850-2433<tel:(519)%20850-2433> e-mail: mihu...@uwo.ca<mailto:mihu...@uwo.ca> ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/discuss. ** Participation and subscr
RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference
I too would like to use it. Ian Lyons Network Engineer Rollins College 407.628.6396 From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Tony Skalski Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 11:29 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference We too would like permission to re-use the bulk of the PDF. Thanks, ajs On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 10:10 AM, Norman Mourtada <nmourt...@suffolk.edu<mailto:nmourt...@suffolk.edu>> wrote: This is great. Do I have permission to use your pdf and its content? Thanks Norm From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>] On Behalf Of Max McGrath Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 10:38 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference Walter - Can I use (aka steal) the bulk of your PDF? Max -- Max McGrath [Image removed by sender.] <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fpub%2Fmax-mcgrath%2F1b%2F3a6%2Fa21=02%7C01%7Cilyons%40ROLLINS.EDU%7C5bb64ff237c548a7b18f08d45b3ffe84%7Cb8e8d71a947d41dd81dd8401dcc51007%7C0%7C0%7C63623394638790=GEJDHRjWuZhE4fmDvBw5dLE8vCbT6Frx82EKBxLS%2Bmc%3D=0> Network Administrator Carthage College 262-551-<tel:(262)%20551-> mmcgr...@carthage.edu<mailto:mmcgr...@carthage.edu> On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 9:30 AM, Coehoorn, Joel <jcoeho...@york.edu<mailto:jcoeho...@york.edu>> wrote: I love the 2nd page with the colored chart and diagram. [Image removed by sender.] Joel Coehoorn Director of Information Technology 402.363.5603<tel:(402)%20363-5603> jcoeho...@york.edu<mailto:jcoeho...@york.edu> The mission of York College is to transform lives through Christ-centered education and to equip students for lifelong service to God, family, and society On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 10:24 AM, Walter Reynolds <wa...@umich.edu<mailto:wa...@umich.edu>> wrote: This is a link to a pdf of what we came up with. https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0BKRE3DeEPKb1RWc1BPSkljYUtJZjRGel9icmU3NklJRHRv/view<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdrive.google.com%2Ffile%2Fd%2F0B0BKRE3DeEPKb1RWc1BPSkljYUtJZjRGel9icmU3NklJRHRv%2Fview=02%7C01%7Cilyons%40ROLLINS.EDU%7C5bb64ff237c548a7b18f08d45b3ffe84%7Cb8e8d71a947d41dd81dd8401dcc51007%7C0%7C0%7C63623394638790=ivv53qIC15wO5DI%2BSkPwez%2B8QbPbeelMb%2FyXdhoOASc%3D=0> If the link does not allow you to see it I am attaching the file as well. Walter Reynolds Principal Systems Security Development Engineer Information and Technology Services University of Michigan (734) 615-9438<tel:(734)%20615-9438> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 11:02 AM, Michael Hulko <mihu...@uwo.ca<mailto:mihu...@uwo.ca>> wrote: Netscout.. aka Fluke… aka Airmagnet wrote a pretty easy to understand document related to interference. M On Feb 17, 2017, at 10:44 AM, Jeffrey D. Sessler <j...@scrippscollege.edu<mailto:j...@scrippscollege.edu>> wrote: You are fighting a battle that will never be won, and even a stale-mate is unlikely. IMHO, your best bet is to work toward abandoning 2.4. In the early days, we did try outreach and education, but there are just too many devices today that use 2.4, and in many cases, users don’t even know it e.g. Apple’s Airdrop. You can minimize some of this by solving the reasons behind some of the interference sources i.e. install more WAPs to improve the service, reducing the rogue problem. Install residential printers to mitigate the need for student printers. Most of our residential is now designed around dense 5 GHz, and while 2.4 is available, it’s mostly ignored. Jeff From: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu<mailto:wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu>" <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@listserv.educause.edu>> on behalf of "Gray, Sean" <sean.gr...@uleth.ca<mailto:sean.gr...@uleth.ca>> Reply-To: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu<mailto:wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu>" <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@listserv.educause.edu>> Date: Thursday, February 16, 2017 at 2:21 PM To: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu<mailto:wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu>" <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@listserv.educause.edu>> Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference Hi Fellow Wireless Wizards! This is my first post to the group, so please be gentle. Here at the University of Lethbridge we are about to embark on a bit of an education drive for all of
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference
We here in Minnesota think the document would be useful to reference. /daniel/ On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 11:47 AM, Jason Watts <jwa...@pratt.edu> wrote: > I was going to ask as well. Take out the institution specific terms and > imagery and open source it, please. > > *Jason Watts* | Senior Network Administrator > > *PRATT INSTITUTE* > > > > On Feb 22, 2017, at 12:41 PM, Watters, John <john.watt...@ua.edu > <john.watt...@ua.edu>> wrote: > > It sounds like everyone likes it, include us. How about a global > right-to-use statement from the University of Michigan? > > > *John Watters* > > Network Engineer, Office of Information Technology > > The University of Alabama <https://www.ua.edu/> > A115 Gordon Palmer Hall > Box 870346 > Tuscaloosa, AL 35487 > Phone 205-348-3992 > john.watt...@ua.edu > <https://www.ua.edu/> > > *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [ > mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU > <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>] *On Behalf Of *John Chappell > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 22, 2017 11:04 AM > *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU > <WIRELESS-LAN@listserv.educause.edu> > *Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about > interference > > That is an amazing PDF, I’d like to request permission to use it as well. > > Regards, > > *John Chappell* > *IT Coordinator* > > *Residence Services * > Mount Royal University > Calgary, Alberta > Office: 403.440.5198 <(403)%20440-5198> > Mobile: 403.829.6455 <(403)%20829-6455> > > "If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough." - > Albert Einstein > > *MRU IT Services will NEVER ask you for your password or to update or > verify your email account through an email. DO NOT click any links in an > email asking you to update or verify your email account.* > > > On Feb 22, 2017, at 09:57, Edward Ip <i...@algonquincollege.com> wrote: > > Wonderful pdf. We would like permission to also re-use contents in your > pdf in helping educating our Residence clients. > > Regards, > *Edward Ip* > *Algonquin College* | 1385 Woodroffe Avenue | Room C316 | Ottawa | Ontario > | K2G 1V8 | Canada > algonquincollege.com > > *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [ > mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU > <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>] *On Behalf Of *Walter Reynolds > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 21, 2017 11:24 AM > *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU > *Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about > interference > > This is a link to a pdf of what we came up with. > > > https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0BKRE3DeEPKb1RWc1BPSkljYUtJZ > jRGel9icmU3NklJRHRv/view > > > If the link does not allow you to see it I am attaching the file as well. > > > > Walter Reynolds > Principal Systems Security Development Engineer > Information and Technology Services > University of Michigan > (734) 615-9438 > > On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 11:02 AM, Michael Hulko <mihu...@uwo.ca> wrote: > > Netscout.. aka Fluke… aka Airmagnet wrote a pretty easy to understand > document related to interference. > > > M > > > On Feb 17, 2017, at 10:44 AM, Jeffrey D. Sessler <j...@scrippscollege.edu > <j...@scrippscollege.edu>> wrote: > > You are fighting a battle that will never be won, and even a stale-mate is > unlikely. > > IMHO, your best bet is to work toward abandoning 2.4. In the early days, > we did try outreach and education, but there are just too many devices > today that use 2.4, and in many cases, users don’t even know it e.g. > Apple’s Airdrop. You can minimize some of this by solving the reasons > behind some of the interference sources i.e. install more WAPs to improve > the service, reducing the rogue problem. Install residential printers to > mitigate the need for student printers. > > Most of our residential is now designed around dense 5 GHz, and while 2.4 > is available, it’s mostly ignored. > > Jeff > > *From: *"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV. > EDUCAUSE.EDU <WIRELESS-LAN@listserv.educause.edu>> on behalf of "Gray, > Sean" <sean.gr...@uleth.ca <sean.gr...@uleth.ca>> > *Reply-To: *"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV. > EDUCAUSE.EDU <WIRELESS-LAN@listserv.educause.edu>> > *Date: *Thursday, February 16, 2017 at 2:21 PM > *To: *"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV. > EDUCAUSE.EDU <WIRELESS-LAN@listserv.educause.
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference
I was going to ask as well. Take out the institution specific terms and imagery and open source it, please. Jason Watts | Senior Network Administrator PRATT INSTITUTE > On Feb 22, 2017, at 12:41 PM, Watters, John <john.watt...@ua.edu> wrote: > > It sounds like everyone likes it, include us. How about a global right-to-use > statement from the University of Michigan? > > John Watters > Network Engineer, Office of Information Technology > > The University of Alabama <https://www.ua.edu/> > A115 Gordon Palmer Hall > Box 870346 > Tuscaloosa, AL 35487 > Phone 205-348-3992 > john.watt...@ua.edu <mailto:john.watt...@ua.edu> > <https://www.ua.edu/> > > From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv > [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU > <mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>] On Behalf Of John Chappell > Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 11:04 AM > To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU > <mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@listserv.educause.edu> > Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference > > That is an amazing PDF, I’d like to request permission to use it as well. > > Regards, > > John Chappell > IT Coordinator > > Residence Services > Mount Royal University > Calgary, Alberta > Office: 403.440.5198 > Mobile: 403.829.6455 > > "If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough." - > Albert Einstein > > MRU IT Services will NEVER ask you for your password or to update or verify > your email account through an email. DO NOT click any links in an email > asking you to update or verify your email account. > > On Feb 22, 2017, at 09:57, Edward Ip <i...@algonquincollege.com > <mailto:i...@algonquincollege.com>> wrote: > > Wonderful pdf. We would like permission to also re-use contents in your pdf > in helping educating our Residence clients. > > Regards, > Edward Ip > Algonquin College | 1385 Woodroffe Avenue | Room C316 | Ottawa | Ontario | > K2G 1V8 | Canada > algonquincollege.com <http://algonquincollege.com/> > > From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv > [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU > <mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>] On Behalf Of Walter Reynolds > Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 11:24 AM > To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU > <mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> > Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference > > This is a link to a pdf of what we came up with. > > https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0BKRE3DeEPKb1RWc1BPSkljYUtJZjRGel9icmU3NklJRHRv/view > > <https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0BKRE3DeEPKb1RWc1BPSkljYUtJZjRGel9icmU3NklJRHRv/view> > > If the link does not allow you to see it I am attaching the file as well. > > > > Walter Reynolds > Principal Systems Security Development Engineer > Information and Technology Services > University of Michigan > (734) 615-9438 > > On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 11:02 AM, Michael Hulko <mihu...@uwo.ca > <mailto:mihu...@uwo.ca>> wrote: > Netscout.. aka Fluke… aka Airmagnet wrote a pretty easy to understand > document related to interference. > > > M > > On Feb 17, 2017, at 10:44 AM, Jeffrey D. Sessler <j...@scrippscollege.edu > <mailto:j...@scrippscollege.edu>> wrote: > > You are fighting a battle that will never be won, and even a stale-mate is > unlikely. > > IMHO, your best bet is to work toward abandoning 2.4. In the early days, we > did try outreach and education, but there are just too many devices today > that use 2.4, and in many cases, users don’t even know it e.g. Apple’s > Airdrop. You can minimize some of this by solving the reasons behind some of > the interference sources i.e. install more WAPs to improve the service, > reducing the rogue problem. Install residential printers to mitigate the need > for student printers. > > Most of our residential is now designed around dense 5 GHz, and while 2.4 is > available, it’s mostly ignored. > > Jeff > > From: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu > <mailto:wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu>" > <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU > <mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@listserv.educause.edu>> on behalf of "Gray, Sean" > <sean.gr...@uleth.ca <mailto:sean.gr...@uleth.ca>> > Reply-To: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu > <mailto:wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu>" > <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU > <mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@listserv.educause
RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference
It sounds like everyone likes it, include us. How about a global right-to-use statement from the University of Michigan? John Watters Network Engineer, Office of Information Technology The University of Alabama<https://www.ua.edu/> A115 Gordon Palmer Hall Box 870346 Tuscaloosa, AL 35487 Phone 205-348-3992 john.watt...@ua.edu<mailto:john.watt...@ua.edu> [The University of Alabama]<https://www.ua.edu/> From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of John Chappell Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 11:04 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference That is an amazing PDF, I’d like to request permission to use it as well. Regards, John Chappell IT Coordinator Residence Services Mount Royal University Calgary, Alberta Office: 403.440.5198 Mobile: 403.829.6455 "If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough." - Albert Einstein MRU IT Services will NEVER ask you for your password or to update or verify your email account through an email. DO NOT click any links in an email asking you to update or verify your email account. On Feb 22, 2017, at 09:57, Edward Ip <i...@algonquincollege.com<mailto:i...@algonquincollege.com>> wrote: Wonderful pdf. We would like permission to also re-use contents in your pdf in helping educating our Residence clients. Regards, Edward Ip Algonquin College | 1385 Woodroffe Avenue | Room C316 | Ottawa | Ontario | K2G 1V8 | Canada algonquincollege.com<http://algonquincollege.com/> From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Walter Reynolds Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 11:24 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference This is a link to a pdf of what we came up with. https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0BKRE3DeEPKb1RWc1BPSkljYUtJZjRGel9icmU3NklJRHRv/view If the link does not allow you to see it I am attaching the file as well. Walter Reynolds Principal Systems Security Development Engineer Information and Technology Services University of Michigan (734) 615-9438 On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 11:02 AM, Michael Hulko <mihu...@uwo.ca<mailto:mihu...@uwo.ca>> wrote: Netscout.. aka Fluke… aka Airmagnet wrote a pretty easy to understand document related to interference. M On Feb 17, 2017, at 10:44 AM, Jeffrey D. Sessler <j...@scrippscollege.edu<mailto:j...@scrippscollege.edu>> wrote: You are fighting a battle that will never be won, and even a stale-mate is unlikely. IMHO, your best bet is to work toward abandoning 2.4. In the early days, we did try outreach and education, but there are just too many devices today that use 2.4, and in many cases, users don’t even know it e.g. Apple’s Airdrop. You can minimize some of this by solving the reasons behind some of the interference sources i.e. install more WAPs to improve the service, reducing the rogue problem. Install residential printers to mitigate the need for student printers. Most of our residential is now designed around dense 5 GHz, and while 2.4 is available, it’s mostly ignored. Jeff From: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu<mailto:wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu>" <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@listserv.educause.edu>> on behalf of "Gray, Sean" <sean.gr...@uleth.ca<mailto:sean.gr...@uleth.ca>> Reply-To: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu<mailto:wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu>" <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@listserv.educause.edu>> Date: Thursday, February 16, 2017 at 2:21 PM To: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu<mailto:wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu>" <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@listserv.educause.edu>> Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference Hi Fellow Wireless Wizards! This is my first post to the group, so please be gentle. Here at the University of Lethbridge we are about to embark on a bit of an education drive for all of our wireless users with regards to the 2.4GHz spectrum and their impact on it. Does anybody have good examples of notices, posters etc. that they would be willing to share, that reference the evils of rogues and other interference sources citing the negative impact they have on the wireless network. Like everyone else on this list we are seeing huge influxes of our friends the wireless printer, Bluetooth devices and the like… if only we could just turn 2.4GHz off. Thanks Sean Sean Gray | B.Sc (Hons) Voice, Collaboration & Wireless Network Analyst ITS, University of Lethbrid
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference
Very well put. I would also like to request permission to reference this document. -George Cantu From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> on behalf of John Chappell <jchapp...@mtroyal.ca<mailto:jchapp...@mtroyal.ca>> Reply-To: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> Date: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 at 11:03 AM To: "WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>" <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference That is an amazing PDF, I’d like to request permission to use it as well. Regards, John Chappell IT Coordinator Residence Services Mount Royal University Calgary, Alberta Office: 403.440.5198 Mobile: 403.829.6455 "If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough." - Albert Einstein MRU IT Services will NEVER ask you for your password or to update or verify your email account through an email. DO NOT click any links in an email asking you to update or verify your email account. On Feb 22, 2017, at 09:57, Edward Ip <i...@algonquincollege.com<mailto:i...@algonquincollege.com>> wrote: Wonderful pdf. We would like permission to also re-use contents in your pdf in helping educating our Residence clients. Regards, Edward Ip Algonquin College | 1385 Woodroffe Avenue | Room C316 | Ottawa | Ontario | K2G 1V8 | Canada algonquincollege.com<http://algonquincollege.com/> From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Walter Reynolds Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 11:24 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference This is a link to a pdf of what we came up with. https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0BKRE3DeEPKb1RWc1BPSkljYUtJZjRGel9icmU3NklJRHRv/view If the link does not allow you to see it I am attaching the file as well. Walter Reynolds Principal Systems Security Development Engineer Information and Technology Services University of Michigan (734) 615-9438 On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 11:02 AM, Michael Hulko <mihu...@uwo.ca<mailto:mihu...@uwo.ca>> wrote: Netscout.. aka Fluke… aka Airmagnet wrote a pretty easy to understand document related to interference. M On Feb 17, 2017, at 10:44 AM, Jeffrey D. Sessler <j...@scrippscollege.edu<mailto:j...@scrippscollege.edu>> wrote: You are fighting a battle that will never be won, and even a stale-mate is unlikely. IMHO, your best bet is to work toward abandoning 2.4. In the early days, we did try outreach and education, but there are just too many devices today that use 2.4, and in many cases, users don’t even know it e.g. Apple’s Airdrop. You can minimize some of this by solving the reasons behind some of the interference sources i.e. install more WAPs to improve the service, reducing the rogue problem. Install residential printers to mitigate the need for student printers. Most of our residential is now designed around dense 5 GHz, and while 2.4 is available, it’s mostly ignored. Jeff From: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu<mailto:wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu>" <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@listserv.educause.edu>> on behalf of "Gray, Sean" <sean.gr...@uleth.ca<mailto:sean.gr...@uleth.ca>> Reply-To: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu<mailto:wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu>" <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@listserv.educause.edu>> Date: Thursday, February 16, 2017 at 2:21 PM To: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu<mailto:wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu>" <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@listserv.educause.edu>> Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference Hi Fellow Wireless Wizards! This is my first post to the group, so please be gentle. Here at the University of Lethbridge we are about to embark on a bit of an education drive for all of our wireless users with regards to the 2.4GHz spectrum and their impact on it. Does anybody have good examples of notices, posters etc. that they would be willing to share, that reference the evils of rogues and other interference sources citing the negative impact they have on the wireless network. Like everyone else on this list we are seeing huge influxes of our friends the wireless printer, Bluetooth devices and the like… if only we could just turn 2.4GHz off. Thanks Sean Sean
RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference
Wonderful pdf. We would like permission to also re-use contents in your pdf in helping educating our Residence clients. Regards, Edward Ip Algonquin College | 1385 Woodroffe Avenue | Room C316 | Ottawa | Ontario | K2G 1V8 | Canada algonquincollege.com From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Walter Reynolds Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 11:24 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference This is a link to a pdf of what we came up with. https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0BKRE3DeEPKb1RWc1BPSkljYUtJZjRGel9icmU3NklJRHRv/view If the link does not allow you to see it I am attaching the file as well. Walter Reynolds Principal Systems Security Development Engineer Information and Technology Services University of Michigan (734) 615-9438 On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 11:02 AM, Michael Hulko <mihu...@uwo.ca<mailto:mihu...@uwo.ca>> wrote: Netscout.. aka Fluke… aka Airmagnet wrote a pretty easy to understand document related to interference. M On Feb 17, 2017, at 10:44 AM, Jeffrey D. Sessler <j...@scrippscollege.edu<mailto:j...@scrippscollege.edu>> wrote: You are fighting a battle that will never be won, and even a stale-mate is unlikely. IMHO, your best bet is to work toward abandoning 2.4. In the early days, we did try outreach and education, but there are just too many devices today that use 2.4, and in many cases, users don’t even know it e.g. Apple’s Airdrop. You can minimize some of this by solving the reasons behind some of the interference sources i.e. install more WAPs to improve the service, reducing the rogue problem. Install residential printers to mitigate the need for student printers. Most of our residential is now designed around dense 5 GHz, and while 2.4 is available, it’s mostly ignored. Jeff From: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu<mailto:wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu>" <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@listserv.educause.edu>> on behalf of "Gray, Sean" <sean.gr...@uleth.ca<mailto:sean.gr...@uleth.ca>> Reply-To: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu<mailto:wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu>" <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@listserv.educause.edu>> Date: Thursday, February 16, 2017 at 2:21 PM To: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu<mailto:wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu>" <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@listserv.educause.edu>> Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference Hi Fellow Wireless Wizards! This is my first post to the group, so please be gentle. Here at the University of Lethbridge we are about to embark on a bit of an education drive for all of our wireless users with regards to the 2.4GHz spectrum and their impact on it. Does anybody have good examples of notices, posters etc. that they would be willing to share, that reference the evils of rogues and other interference sources citing the negative impact they have on the wireless network. Like everyone else on this list we are seeing huge influxes of our friends the wireless printer, Bluetooth devices and the like… if only we could just turn 2.4GHz off. Thanks Sean Sean Gray | B.Sc (Hons) Voice, Collaboration & Wireless Network Analyst ITS, University of Lethbridge ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/discuss. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/discuss. Michael Hulko Network Analyst Western University Canada Network Operations Centre Information Technology Services 1393 Western Road, SSB 3300CC London, Ontario N6G 1G9 tel: 519-661-2111 x82433<tel:(519)%20661-2111> direct: 519-850-2433<tel:(519)%20850-2433> e-mail: mihu...@uwo.ca<mailto:mihu...@uwo.ca> ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/discuss. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/discuss. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/discuss.
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference
University of Wyoming would also like permission to re-use the bulk of this PDF. Thank you, Troy From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> on behalf of Tony Skalski <a...@stolaf.edu> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 9:29:14 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference We too would like permission to re-use the bulk of the PDF. Thanks, ajs On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 10:10 AM, Norman Mourtada <nmourt...@suffolk.edu<mailto:nmourt...@suffolk.edu>> wrote: This is great. Do I have permission to use your pdf and its content? Thanks Norm From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>] On Behalf Of Max McGrath Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 10:38 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference Walter - Can I use (aka steal) the bulk of your PDF? Max -- Max McGrath [https://static.licdn.com/scds/common/u/img/webpromo/btn_profile_greytxt_80x15.png] <https://www.linkedin.com/pub/max-mcgrath/1b/3a6/a21> Network Administrator Carthage College 262-551-<tel:(262)%20551-> mmcgr...@carthage.edu<mailto:mmcgr...@carthage.edu> On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 9:30 AM, Coehoorn, Joel <jcoeho...@york.edu<mailto:jcoeho...@york.edu>> wrote: I love the 2nd page with the colored chart and diagram. [http://www.york.edu/Portals/0/Images/Logo/YorkCollegeLogoSmall.jpg] Joel Coehoorn Director of Information Technology 402.363.5603<tel:(402)%20363-5603> jcoeho...@york.edu<mailto:jcoeho...@york.edu> The mission of York College is to transform lives through Christ-centered education and to equip students for lifelong service to God, family, and society On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 10:24 AM, Walter Reynolds <wa...@umich.edu<mailto:wa...@umich.edu>> wrote: This is a link to a pdf of what we came up with. https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0BKRE3DeEPKb1RWc1BPSkljYUtJZjRGel9icmU3NklJRHRv/view If the link does not allow you to see it I am attaching the file as well. Walter Reynolds Principal Systems Security Development Engineer Information and Technology Services University of Michigan (734) 615-9438<tel:(734)%20615-9438> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 11:02 AM, Michael Hulko <mihu...@uwo.ca<mailto:mihu...@uwo.ca>> wrote: Netscout.. aka Fluke… aka Airmagnet wrote a pretty easy to understand document related to interference. M On Feb 17, 2017, at 10:44 AM, Jeffrey D. Sessler <j...@scrippscollege.edu<mailto:j...@scrippscollege.edu>> wrote: You are fighting a battle that will never be won, and even a stale-mate is unlikely. IMHO, your best bet is to work toward abandoning 2.4. In the early days, we did try outreach and education, but there are just too many devices today that use 2.4, and in many cases, users don’t even know it e.g. Apple’s Airdrop. You can minimize some of this by solving the reasons behind some of the interference sources i.e. install more WAPs to improve the service, reducing the rogue problem. Install residential printers to mitigate the need for student printers. Most of our residential is now designed around dense 5 GHz, and while 2.4 is available, it’s mostly ignored. Jeff From: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu<mailto:wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu>" <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@listserv.educause.edu>> on behalf of "Gray, Sean" <sean.gr...@uleth.ca<mailto:sean.gr...@uleth.ca>> Reply-To: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu<mailto:wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu>" <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@listserv.educause.edu>> Date: Thursday, February 16, 2017 at 2:21 PM To: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu<mailto:wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu>" <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@listserv.educause.edu>> Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference Hi Fellow Wireless Wizards! This is my first post to the group, so please be gentle. Here at the University of Lethbridge we are about to embark on a bit of an education drive for all of our wireless users with regards to the 2.4GHz spectrum and their impact on it. Does anybody have good examples of notices, posters etc. that they would be willing to share, that reference the evils of rogues and other interference sources citing the negative impact they have on the wireless network. Like everyone else on this list we are seeing huge influxes of our friends the wireless printer, Bluetooth devices a
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference
We too would like permission to re-use the bulk of the PDF. Thanks, ajs On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 10:10 AM, Norman Mourtada <nmourt...@suffolk.edu> wrote: > This is great. Do I have permission to use your pdf and its content? Thanks > > > > Norm > > > > *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto: > WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] *On Behalf Of *Max McGrath > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 22, 2017 10:38 AM > *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU > *Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about > interference > > > > Walter - > > > > Can I use (aka *steal*) the bulk of your PDF? > > > > Max > > > -- > Max McGrath <https://www.linkedin.com/pub/max-mcgrath/1b/3a6/a21> > Network Administrator > Carthage College > 262-551- <(262)%20551-> > mmcgr...@carthage.edu > > > > On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 9:30 AM, Coehoorn, Joel <jcoeho...@york.edu> > wrote: > > I love the 2nd page with the colored chart and diagram. > > > > > Joel Coehoorn > Director of Information Technology > 402.363.5603 <(402)%20363-5603> > *jcoeho...@york.edu <jcoeho...@york.edu>* > > The mission of York College is to transform lives through > Christ-centered education and to equip students for lifelong service to > God, family, and society > > > > On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 10:24 AM, Walter Reynolds <wa...@umich.edu> wrote: > > This is a link to a pdf of what we came up with. > > > > https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0BKRE3DeEPKb1RWc1BPSkljYUtJZ > jRGel9icmU3NklJRHRv/view > > > > If the link does not allow you to see it I am attaching the file as well. > > > > > > > Walter Reynolds > > Principal Systems Security Development Engineer > Information and Technology Services > University of Michigan > (734) 615-9438 > > > > On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 11:02 AM, Michael Hulko <mihu...@uwo.ca> wrote: > > Netscout.. aka Fluke… aka Airmagnet wrote a pretty easy to understand > document related to interference. > > > > > > M > > > > On Feb 17, 2017, at 10:44 AM, Jeffrey D. Sessler <j...@scrippscollege.edu > <j...@scrippscollege.edu>> wrote: > > > > You are fighting a battle that will never be won, and even a stale-mate is > unlikely. > > > > IMHO, your best bet is to work toward abandoning 2.4. In the early days, > we did try outreach and education, but there are just too many devices > today that use 2.4, and in many cases, users don’t even know it e.g. > Apple’s Airdrop. You can minimize some of this by solving the reasons > behind some of the interference sources i.e. install more WAPs to improve > the service, reducing the rogue problem. Install residential printers to > mitigate the need for student printers. > > > > Most of our residential is now designed around dense 5 GHz, and while 2.4 > is available, it’s mostly ignored. > > > > Jeff > > > > *From: *"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV. > EDUCAUSE.EDU <WIRELESS-LAN@listserv.educause.edu>> on behalf of "Gray, > Sean" <sean.gr...@uleth.ca <sean.gr...@uleth.ca>> > *Reply-To: *"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV. > EDUCAUSE.EDU <WIRELESS-LAN@listserv.educause.edu>> > *Date: *Thursday, February 16, 2017 at 2:21 PM > *To: *"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV. > EDUCAUSE.EDU <WIRELESS-LAN@listserv.educause.edu>> > *Subject: *[WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference > > > > Hi Fellow Wireless Wizards! > > > > This is my first post to the group, so please be gentle. > > > > Here at the University of Lethbridge we are about to embark on a bit of an > education drive for all of our wireless users with regards to the 2.4GHz > spectrum and their impact on it. Does anybody have good examples of > notices, posters etc. that they would be willing to share, that reference > the evils of rogues and other interference sources citing the negative > impact they have on the wireless network. Like everyone else on this list > we are seeing huge influxes of our friends the wireless printer, Bluetooth > devices and the like… > > > > if only we could just turn 2.4GHz off. > > > > Thanks > > > > Sean > > > > > > *Sean Gray* | B.Sc (Hons) > > Voice, Collaboration & Wireless Network Analyst > > ITS, University of Lethbridge > > > > > > ** Participation and subscription
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference
Walter - Can I use (aka *steal*) the bulk of your PDF? Max -- Max McGrath <https://www.linkedin.com/pub/max-mcgrath/1b/3a6/a21> Network Administrator Carthage College 262-551- mmcgr...@carthage.edu On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 9:30 AM, Coehoorn, Joel <jcoeho...@york.edu> wrote: > I love the 2nd page with the colored chart and diagram. > > > > Joel Coehoorn > Director of Information Technology > 402.363.5603 <(402)%20363-5603> > *jcoeho...@york.edu <jcoeho...@york.edu>* > > The mission of York College is to transform lives through > Christ-centered education and to equip students for lifelong service to > God, family, and society > > On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 10:24 AM, Walter Reynolds <wa...@umich.edu> wrote: > >> This is a link to a pdf of what we came up with. >> >> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0BKRE3DeEPKb1RWc1BPSkljYUt >> JZjRGel9icmU3NklJRHRv/view >> >> If the link does not allow you to see it I am attaching the file as well. >> >> >> >> Walter Reynolds >> Principal Systems Security Development Engineer >> Information and Technology Services >> University of Michigan >> (734) 615-9438 >> >> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 11:02 AM, Michael Hulko <mihu...@uwo.ca> wrote: >> >>> Netscout.. aka Fluke… aka Airmagnet wrote a pretty easy to understand >>> document related to interference. >>> >>> >>> M >>> >>> On Feb 17, 2017, at 10:44 AM, Jeffrey D. Sessler < >>> j...@scrippscollege.edu <j...@scrippscollege.edu>> wrote: >>> >>> You are fighting a battle that will never be won, and even a stale-mate >>> is unlikely. >>> >>> IMHO, your best bet is to work toward abandoning 2.4. In the early days, >>> we did try outreach and education, but there are just too many devices >>> today that use 2.4, and in many cases, users don’t even know it e.g. >>> Apple’s Airdrop. You can minimize some of this by solving the reasons >>> behind some of the interference sources i.e. install more WAPs to improve >>> the service, reducing the rogue problem. Install residential printers to >>> mitigate the need for student printers. >>> >>> Most of our residential is now designed around dense 5 GHz, and while >>> 2.4 is available, it’s mostly ignored. >>> >>> Jeff >>> >>> *From: *"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" < >>> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU <WIRELESS-LAN@listserv.educause.edu>> >>> on behalf of "Gray, Sean" <sean.gr...@uleth.ca <sean.gr...@uleth.ca>> >>> *Reply-To: *"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" < >>> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU <WIRELESS-LAN@listserv.educause.edu>> >>> *Date: *Thursday, February 16, 2017 at 2:21 PM >>> *To: *"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" < >>> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU <WIRELESS-LAN@listserv.educause.edu>> >>> *Subject: *[WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about >>> interference >>> >>> Hi Fellow Wireless Wizards! >>> >>> This is my first post to the group, so please be gentle. >>> >>> Here at the University of Lethbridge we are about to embark on a bit of >>> an education drive for all of our wireless users with regards to the 2.4GHz >>> spectrum and their impact on it. Does anybody have good examples of >>> notices, posters etc. that they would be willing to share, that reference >>> the evils of rogues and other interference sources citing the negative >>> impact they have on the wireless network. Like everyone else on this list >>> we are seeing huge influxes of our friends the wireless printer, Bluetooth >>> devices and the like… >>> >>> if only we could just turn 2.4GHz off. >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Sean >>> >>> >>> *Sean Gray* | B.Sc (Hons) >>> Voice, Collaboration & Wireless Network Analyst >>> ITS, University of Lethbridge >>> >>> >>> ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE >>> Constituent Group discussion list can be found at >>> http://www.educause.edu/discuss. >>> ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE >>> Constituent Group discussion list can be found at >>> http://www.educause.edu/discuss. >>> >>> >>> >>> Michael Hulko >>> Network Analyst &g
RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference
I agree with this sentiment. 2.4 is a long-run losing battle. We deployed 5 ghz nearly everywhere to minimize the need for 2.4. I observe that 2/3rds of all devices automatically use 5 ghz. So it really isn’t as big of a problem as it could be. I expect that number to improve each year. I have made attempts to educate students through RA’s, but I am not sure I will do that each year. Students really shouldn’t bring in their own router, but it’s too time consuming to stop it. I think because we provide such wide spread access and try to make sure we support everything, this problem really isn’t as bad as it might be. Educating students does help, but I am careful not to spend too much time worrying about it. I do still need to improve high density areas. Tim *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] *On Behalf Of *Jeffrey D. Sessler *Sent:* Friday, February 17, 2017 9:44 AM *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU *Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference You are fighting a battle that will never be won, and even a stale-mate is unlikely. IMHO, your best bet is to work toward abandoning 2.4. In the early days, we did try outreach and education, but there are just too many devices today that use 2.4, and in many cases, users don’t even know it e.g. Apple’s Airdrop. You can minimize some of this by solving the reasons behind some of the interference sources i.e. install more WAPs to improve the service, reducing the rogue problem. Install residential printers to mitigate the need for student printers. Most of our residential is now designed around dense 5 GHz, and while 2.4 is available, it’s mostly ignored. Jeff *From: *"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" < WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> on behalf of "Gray, Sean" < sean.gr...@uleth.ca> *Reply-To: *"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" < WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> *Date: *Thursday, February 16, 2017 at 2:21 PM *To: *"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" < WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> *Subject: *[WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference Hi Fellow Wireless Wizards! This is my first post to the group, so please be gentle. Here at the University of Lethbridge we are about to embark on a bit of an education drive for all of our wireless users with regards to the 2.4GHz spectrum and their impact on it. Does anybody have good examples of notices, posters etc. that they would be willing to share, that reference the evils of rogues and other interference sources citing the negative impact they have on the wireless network. Like everyone else on this list we are seeing huge influxes of our friends the wireless printer, Bluetooth devices and the like… if only we could just turn 2.4GHz off. Thanks Sean *Sean Gray* | B.Sc (Hons) Voice, Collaboration & Wireless Network Analyst ITS, University of Lethbridge ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/discuss. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/discuss. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/discuss.
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference
You are fighting a battle that will never be won, and even a stale-mate is unlikely. IMHO, your best bet is to work toward abandoning 2.4. In the early days, we did try outreach and education, but there are just too many devices today that use 2.4, and in many cases, users don’t even know it e.g. Apple’s Airdrop. You can minimize some of this by solving the reasons behind some of the interference sources i.e. install more WAPs to improve the service, reducing the rogue problem. Install residential printers to mitigate the need for student printers. Most of our residential is now designed around dense 5 GHz, and while 2.4 is available, it’s mostly ignored. Jeff From: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> on behalf of "Gray, Sean" <sean.gr...@uleth.ca> Reply-To: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> Date: Thursday, February 16, 2017 at 2:21 PM To: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference Hi Fellow Wireless Wizards! This is my first post to the group, so please be gentle. Here at the University of Lethbridge we are about to embark on a bit of an education drive for all of our wireless users with regards to the 2.4GHz spectrum and their impact on it. Does anybody have good examples of notices, posters etc. that they would be willing to share, that reference the evils of rogues and other interference sources citing the negative impact they have on the wireless network. Like everyone else on this list we are seeing huge influxes of our friends the wireless printer, Bluetooth devices and the like… if only we could just turn 2.4GHz off. Thanks Sean Sean Gray | B.Sc (Hons) Voice, Collaboration & Wireless Network Analyst ITS, University of Lethbridge ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/discuss. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/discuss.
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference
Yes, if anyone has this, please share! I have been looking for something similar. I guess I will be making something if nothing else is available. *--Jeremy L. Gibbs* Sr. Network Engineer Utica College IITS T: (315) 223-2383 F: (315) 792-3814 E: jlgi...@utica.edu http://www.utica.edu On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 5:21 PM, Gray, Seanwrote: > Hi Fellow Wireless Wizards! > > > > This is my first post to the group, so please be gentle. > > > > Here at the University of Lethbridge we are about to embark on a bit of an > education drive for all of our wireless users with regards to the 2.4GHz > spectrum and their impact on it. Does anybody have good examples of > notices, posters etc. that they would be willing to share, that reference > the evils of rogues and other interference sources citing the negative > impact they have on the wireless network. Like everyone else on this list > we are seeing huge influxes of our friends the wireless printer, Bluetooth > devices and the like… > > > > if only we could just turn 2.4GHz off. > > > > Thanks > > > > Sean > > > > > > *Sean Gray* | B.Sc (Hons) > > Voice, Collaboration & Wireless Network Analyst > > ITS, University of Lethbridge > > > > > ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE > Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/ > discuss. > > ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/discuss.