RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Utility Poles

[Chuck Enfield]

FWIW, I think you make a good point.  In practice, though, I’m not sure how 
effective it would be.  Upgrades of campus lighting systems that include 
pathway changes are few and far between.  If it takes 20 or 30 years to 
build out this network-friendly infrastructure, you run the risk that by the 
time it’s mature enough to use it may no longer be needed.  It’s not the 
kind of plan I would implement on a knee-jerk basis.  It definitely requires 
thoughtful design and a cost/benefit/risk analysis. I’m guessing outcomes 
will vary widely by institution, and maybe even by campus for a multi-campus 
institution.



From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Hector J Rios
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 4:46 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Utility Poles



But that is the point I’m trying to make. Because of all the challenges that 
you have all mentioned, wouldn’t it be worth to have both a strategic plan 
and a collaboration with whoever is in charge of bringing up NEW poles, and 
address all of these concerns and issues so that you end up with a pole that 
is aesthetically pleasing and at the same time functional.



I understand the issues that need to be addressed with existing poles. My 
idea was more focused toward new construction. Our campus is constantly 
evolving and changing, and I believe we’ve had some missed opportunities.



Regards,



-H



From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Eric LaCroix
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 3:24 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU 

Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Utility Poles



Even for lights not centrally switched (perhaps always-on, locally 
photocell-controlled) there’s also the issue of what kind of power is 
available at the poles. Our outdoor lights are 277 volt LED. At the very 
least, if you’re able to find a product to give you the power you need from 
that voltage, it’s probably going to be prohibitively expensive, and 
certainly not pretty on the pole. Your elegant lamp posts from the gaslight 
era will end up looking like those “tree” cell towers. Haha!



Happy Friday.



Eric LaCroix, Director of Technology, New Hampton School

70 Main Street • New Hampton, NH 03256





On 9/16/16, 3:53 PM, "The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group 
Listserv on behalf of Watters, John" 
 
 > wrote:



The main problem we have with doing this is getting a second power feed 
int=

o the poles. All of our utilities are underground. And, all light poles 
are=

 decorative black things without any visible wires (it all comes in 
undergr=

ound). To make it worse, all lights are on a central switch which means 
tha=

t there is no power to the poles until the lights come on. Thus, the 
reason=

 for a separate power feed so wireless could run independently of the 
light=

s. Also, light power typically loops into a pole and then back out to 
the n=

ext pole in the run, thus filling up the access holes with twice as many 
wi=

res as would be desired (by us anyway), and leaving little room to get 
anot=

her power wire in (and also maybe back out) plus a small fiber cable.=20



Underground utilities look good but can cause problems with needing 
additio=

nal wiring added for nice stuff such as you mentioned.







John Watters

Network Engineer, Office of Information Technology

The University of Alabama

A115 Gordon Palmer Hall

Box 870346=20

Tuscaloosa, AL 35487=20

Phone 205-348-3992

john.watt...@ua.edu=20 





-Original Message-

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIREL=

ess-...@listserv.educause.edu  ] 
On Behalf Of Hector J Rios

Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 2:45 PM

To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU 


Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Utility Poles



Has anyone on the list floated around the idea of establishing a 
standard t=

o provide fiber and adequate power to light poles in your campus? How 
cool =

would it be to have these resources available so they could be used not 
onl=

y to serve WiFi, but a myriad of other things like security cameras, 
public=

 safety, digital signage,  and the ton of promises that the IoT is 
promisin=

g. I'm wondering if this is a cost effective thing to do? As a strategic 
pl=

an, it seems to also make sense. I know all campuses are different. We 
are =

just lucky that we own our 

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless to Wired Bridge

[Hunter Fuller]

I am using old Aironet 1131s for this. Convert them to autonomous and use
the 5GHz radio to associate. It is 802.11a, but this is fine for most
devices. If it needs higher bandwidth we urge the user to get a drop. (Our
residence halls have full wired coverage, so we are not running into this
issue there.)

On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 3:29 PM Robert Viou  wrote:

> Cisco access points are capable of configuring as a Workgroup bridge.
> I am using a 702W AP as it has wired ports to give locations wired access
> when there are no wired ports available.
> First need to convert a capwap AP into an autonomous AP and set it up to
> connect as a client to another AP, can be a capwap AP or another autonomous
> AP.
> Only one of the radios can be in wireless bridge mode. I chose the 5GHz
> radio.
>
> Here is a doc to use EAP-TLS to authenticate the AP, not complete but it
> does outline most of it.
> Can also set it up using WPA2 preshared key.
>
> http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/support/docs/wireless/4400-series-wireless-lan-controllers/100864-wgb-eap-tls-cuwn.html
>
>
> http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/support/docs/wireless/aironet-1200-series/68472-configure-wgb-00.html
>
>
> AP(config)#eap profile EAP
> AP(config)#method ?
>   fast  EAP-FAST method allowed
>   gtc   EAP-GTC method allowed
>   leap  EAP-LEAP method allowed
>   md5   EAP-MD5 method allowed
>   mschapv2  EAP-MSCHAPV2 method allowed
>   peap  EAP-PEAP method allowed
>   tls   EAP-TLS method allowed
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Robert Viou
> NORTH DAKOTA STATE UNIVERSITY
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:
> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Joachim Tingvold
> Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 9:21 AM
> To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless to Wired Bridge
>
> On 15 Sep 2016, at 14:49, Adam Forsyth wrote:
> > Does anyone have a good wireless to wired bridge that they recommend
> > to students to purchase when they have a wired only device that they
> > wish they could connect in a wireless only residence hall?
>
> For wired-to-wireless, we’ve had great success with “HP 501 Wireless
> Client Bridge” [1][2]. It has 802.11ac and supports 802.1X (including
> EAP-TLS). It can also be powered via PoE, but since we usually connect it
> directly to wired devices, we usually just power it with the included PSU.
> Not relevant for your use case, but it also has RS232-to-IP, which is
> useful for technical and/or medical equipment.
>
> It’s a bit pricey, but totally worth it for our use case.
>
>
> [1]
> <
> http://www8.hp.com/us/en/products/networking-wireless/product-detail.html?oid=6372587
> >
> [2]
> <
> http://h20565.www2.hpe.com/hpsc/doc/public/display?sp4ts.oid=6604155=en_US=emr_na-c04035081
> >
>
> --
> Joachim
>
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RE: Utility Poles

[Watters, John]

The main problem we have with doing this is getting a second power feed into 
the poles. All of our utilities are underground. And, all light poles are 
decorative black things without any visible wires (it all comes in 
underground). To make it worse, all lights are on a central switch which means 
that there is no power to the poles until the lights come on. Thus, the reason 
for a separate power feed so wireless could run independently of the lights. 
Also, light power typically loops into a pole and then back out to the next 
pole in the run, thus filling up the access holes with twice as many wires as 
would be desired (by us anyway), and leaving little room to get another power 
wire in (and also maybe back out) plus a small fiber cable. 

Underground utilities look good but can cause problems with needing additional 
wiring added for nice stuff such as you mentioned.



John Watters
Network Engineer, Office of Information Technology
The University of Alabama
A115 Gordon Palmer Hall
Box 870346 
Tuscaloosa, AL 35487 
Phone 205-348-3992
john.watt...@ua.edu 


-Original Message-
From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Hector J Rios
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 2:45 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Utility Poles

Has anyone on the list floated around the idea of establishing a standard to 
provide fiber and adequate power to light poles in your campus? How cool would 
it be to have these resources available so they could be used not only to serve 
WiFi, but a myriad of other things like security cameras, public safety, 
digital signage,  and the ton of promises that the IoT is promising. I'm 
wondering if this is a cost effective thing to do? As a strategic plan, it 
seems to also make sense. I know all campuses are different. We are just lucky 
that we own our poles, so we have no issues with obtaining permission. Thoughts?

Hector Rios
Louisiana State University

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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless to Wired Bridge

[Robert Viou]

Cisco access points are capable of configuring as a Workgroup bridge. 
I am using a 702W AP as it has wired ports to give locations wired access when 
there are no wired ports available.
First need to convert a capwap AP into an autonomous AP and set it up to 
connect as a client to another AP, can be a capwap AP or another autonomous AP.
Only one of the radios can be in wireless bridge mode. I chose the 5GHz radio.

Here is a doc to use EAP-TLS to authenticate the AP, not complete but it does 
outline most of it.
Can also set it up using WPA2 preshared key.
http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/support/docs/wireless/4400-series-wireless-lan-controllers/100864-wgb-eap-tls-cuwn.html

http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/support/docs/wireless/aironet-1200-series/68472-configure-wgb-00.html


AP(config)#eap profile EAP
AP(config)#method ?
  fast  EAP-FAST method allowed
  gtc   EAP-GTC method allowed
  leap  EAP-LEAP method allowed
  md5   EAP-MD5 method allowed
  mschapv2  EAP-MSCHAPV2 method allowed
  peap  EAP-PEAP method allowed
  tls   EAP-TLS method allowed






Robert Viou 
NORTH DAKOTA STATE UNIVERSITY


 






-Original Message-
From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Joachim Tingvold
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 9:21 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless to Wired Bridge

On 15 Sep 2016, at 14:49, Adam Forsyth wrote:
> Does anyone have a good wireless to wired bridge that they recommend 
> to students to purchase when they have a wired only device that they 
> wish they could connect in a wireless only residence hall?

For wired-to-wireless, we’ve had great success with “HP 501 Wireless Client 
Bridge” [1][2]. It has 802.11ac and supports 802.1X (including EAP-TLS). It can 
also be powered via PoE, but since we usually connect it directly to wired 
devices, we usually just power it with the included PSU. Not relevant for your 
use case, but it also has RS232-to-IP, which is useful for technical and/or 
medical equipment.

It’s a bit pricey, but totally worth it for our use case.


[1]

[2]


--
Joachim

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RE: Utility Poles

[Watters, John]

Yes. And, we have a mix of voltages since we have some very old lights, some 
relatively new ones, and then some of the newest LED lights.

John Watters
Network Engineer, Office of Information Technology
The University of Alabama
A115 Gordon Palmer Hall
Box 870346
Tuscaloosa, AL 35487
Phone 205-348-3992
john.watt...@ua.edu
[The University of Alabama]

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Eric LaCroix
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 3:24 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Utility Poles


Even for lights not centrally switched (perhaps always-on, locally 
photocell-controlled) there’s also the issue of what kind of power is available 
at the poles. Our outdoor lights are 277 volt LED. At the very least, if you’re 
able to find a product to give you the power you need from that voltage, it’s 
probably going to be prohibitively expensive, and certainly not pretty on the 
pole. Your elegant lamp posts from the gaslight era will end up looking like 
those “tree” cell towers. Haha!



Happy Friday.



Eric LaCroix, Director of Technology, New Hampton School

70 Main Street • New Hampton, NH 03256





On 9/16/16, 3:53 PM, "The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
on behalf of Watters, John" >
 wrote:



The main problem we have with doing this is getting a second power feed int=

o the poles. All of our utilities are underground. And, all light poles are=

 decorative black things without any visible wires (it all comes in undergr=

ound). To make it worse, all lights are on a central switch which means tha=

t there is no power to the poles until the lights come on. Thus, the reason=

 for a separate power feed so wireless could run independently of the light=

s. Also, light power typically loops into a pole and then back out to the n=

ext pole in the run, thus filling up the access holes with twice as many wi=

res as would be desired (by us anyway), and leaving little room to get anot=

her power wire in (and also maybe back out) plus a small fiber cable.=20



Underground utilities look good but can cause problems with needing additio=

nal wiring added for nice stuff such as you mentioned.







John Watters

Network Engineer, Office of Information Technology

The University of Alabama

A115 Gordon Palmer Hall

Box 870346=20

Tuscaloosa, AL 35487=20

Phone 205-348-3992

john.watt...@ua.edu=20





-Original Message-

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIREL=

ess-...@listserv.educause.edu] On 
Behalf Of Hector J Rios

Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 2:45 PM

To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU

Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Utility Poles



Has anyone on the list floated around the idea of establishing a standard t=

o provide fiber and adequate power to light poles in your campus? How cool =

would it be to have these resources available so they could be used not onl=

y to serve WiFi, but a myriad of other things like security cameras, public=

 safety, digital signage,  and the ton of promises that the IoT is promisin=

g. I'm wondering if this is a cost effective thing to do? As a strategic pl=

an, it seems to also make sense. I know all campuses are different. We are =

just lucky that we own our poles, so we have no issues with obtaining permi=

ssion. Thoughts?



Hector Rios

Louisiana State University



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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Utility Poles

[Chuck Enfield]

This problem can be addressed with a small, inexpensive transformer.  It may 
have to go on the exterior of small poles, but you could probably find room 
inside a larger pole.



Chuck Enfield

Manager, Wireless Engineering

Telecommunications & Networking Services

The Pennsylvania State University

110H, USB2, UP, PA 16802

ph: 814.863.8715

fx: 814.865.3988



From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Eric LaCroix
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 4:24 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Utility Poles



Even for lights not centrally switched (perhaps always-on, locally 
photocell-controlled) there’s also the issue of what kind of power is 
available at the poles. Our outdoor lights are 277 volt LED. At the very 
least, if you’re able to find a product to give you the power you need from 
that voltage, it’s probably going to be prohibitively expensive, and 
certainly not pretty on the pole. Your elegant lamp posts from the gaslight 
era will end up looking like those “tree” cell towers. Haha!



Happy Friday.



Eric LaCroix, Director of Technology, New Hampton School

70 Main Street • New Hampton, NH 03256





On 9/16/16, 3:53 PM, "The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group 
Listserv on behalf of Watters, John" 
 
 > wrote:



The main problem we have with doing this is getting a second power feed 
int=

o the poles. All of our utilities are underground. And, all light poles 
are=

 decorative black things without any visible wires (it all comes in 
undergr=

ound). To make it worse, all lights are on a central switch which means 
tha=

t there is no power to the poles until the lights come on. Thus, the 
reason=

 for a separate power feed so wireless could run independently of the 
light=

s. Also, light power typically loops into a pole and then back out to 
the n=

ext pole in the run, thus filling up the access holes with twice as many 
wi=

res as would be desired (by us anyway), and leaving little room to get 
anot=

her power wire in (and also maybe back out) plus a small fiber cable.=20



Underground utilities look good but can cause problems with needing 
additio=

nal wiring added for nice stuff such as you mentioned.







John Watters

Network Engineer, Office of Information Technology

The University of Alabama

A115 Gordon Palmer Hall

Box 870346=20

Tuscaloosa, AL 35487=20

Phone 205-348-3992

john.watt...@ua.edu=20 





-Original Message-

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIREL=

ess-...@listserv.educause.edu  ] 
On Behalf Of Hector J Rios

Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 2:45 PM

To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU 


Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Utility Poles



Has anyone on the list floated around the idea of establishing a 
standard t=

o provide fiber and adequate power to light poles in your campus? How 
cool =

would it be to have these resources available so they could be used not 
onl=

y to serve WiFi, but a myriad of other things like security cameras, 
public=

 safety, digital signage,  and the ton of promises that the IoT is 
promisin=

g. I'm wondering if this is a cost effective thing to do? As a strategic 
pl=

an, it seems to also make sense. I know all campuses are different. We 
are =

just lucky that we own our poles, so we have no issues with obtaining 
permi=

ssion. Thoughts?



Hector Rios

Louisiana State University



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RE: Utility Poles

[Hector J Rios]

But that is the point I’m trying to make. Because of all the challenges that 
you have all mentioned, wouldn’t it be worth to have both a strategic plan and 
a collaboration with whoever is in charge of bringing up NEW poles, and address 
all of these concerns and issues so that you end up with a pole that is 
aesthetically pleasing and at the same time functional.

I understand the issues that need to be addressed with existing poles. My idea 
was more focused toward new construction. Our campus is constantly evolving and 
changing, and I believe we’ve had some missed opportunities.

Regards,

-H

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Eric LaCroix
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 3:24 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Utility Poles


Even for lights not centrally switched (perhaps always-on, locally 
photocell-controlled) there’s also the issue of what kind of power is available 
at the poles. Our outdoor lights are 277 volt LED. At the very least, if you’re 
able to find a product to give you the power you need from that voltage, it’s 
probably going to be prohibitively expensive, and certainly not pretty on the 
pole. Your elegant lamp posts from the gaslight era will end up looking like 
those “tree” cell towers. Haha!



Happy Friday.



Eric LaCroix, Director of Technology, New Hampton School

70 Main Street • New Hampton, NH 03256





On 9/16/16, 3:53 PM, "The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
on behalf of Watters, John" >
 wrote:



The main problem we have with doing this is getting a second power feed int=

o the poles. All of our utilities are underground. And, all light poles are=

 decorative black things without any visible wires (it all comes in undergr=

ound). To make it worse, all lights are on a central switch which means tha=

t there is no power to the poles until the lights come on. Thus, the reason=

 for a separate power feed so wireless could run independently of the light=

s. Also, light power typically loops into a pole and then back out to the n=

ext pole in the run, thus filling up the access holes with twice as many wi=

res as would be desired (by us anyway), and leaving little room to get anot=

her power wire in (and also maybe back out) plus a small fiber cable.=20



Underground utilities look good but can cause problems with needing additio=

nal wiring added for nice stuff such as you mentioned.







John Watters

Network Engineer, Office of Information Technology

The University of Alabama

A115 Gordon Palmer Hall

Box 870346=20

Tuscaloosa, AL 35487=20

Phone 205-348-3992

john.watt...@ua.edu=20





-Original Message-

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIREL=

ess-...@listserv.educause.edu] On 
Behalf Of Hector J Rios

Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 2:45 PM

To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU

Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Utility Poles



Has anyone on the list floated around the idea of establishing a standard t=

o provide fiber and adequate power to light poles in your campus? How cool =

would it be to have these resources available so they could be used not onl=

y to serve WiFi, but a myriad of other things like security cameras, public=

 safety, digital signage,  and the ton of promises that the IoT is promisin=

g. I'm wondering if this is a cost effective thing to do? As a strategic pl=

an, it seems to also make sense. I know all campuses are different. We are =

just lucky that we own our poles, so we have no issues with obtaining permi=

ssion. Thoughts?



Hector Rios

Louisiana State University



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RE: Utility Poles

[Hector J Rios]

Thank you Chuck!

-H

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Chuck Enfield
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 4:07 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Utility Poles

FWIW, I think you make a good point.  In practice, though, I’m not sure how 
effective it would be.  Upgrades of campus lighting systems that include 
pathway changes are few and far between.  If it takes 20 or 30 years to build 
out this network-friendly infrastructure, you run the risk that by the time 
it’s mature enough to use it may no longer be needed.  It’s not the kind of 
plan I would implement on a knee-jerk basis.  It definitely requires thoughtful 
design and a cost/benefit/risk analysis. I’m guessing outcomes will vary widely 
by institution, and maybe even by campus for a multi-campus institution.

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Hector J Rios
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 4:46 PM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Utility Poles

But that is the point I’m trying to make. Because of all the challenges that 
you have all mentioned, wouldn’t it be worth to have both a strategic plan and 
a collaboration with whoever is in charge of bringing up NEW poles, and address 
all of these concerns and issues so that you end up with a pole that is 
aesthetically pleasing and at the same time functional.

I understand the issues that need to be addressed with existing poles. My idea 
was more focused toward new construction. Our campus is constantly evolving and 
changing, and I believe we’ve had some missed opportunities.

Regards,

-H

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Eric LaCroix
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 3:24 PM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Utility Poles


Even for lights not centrally switched (perhaps always-on, locally 
photocell-controlled) there’s also the issue of what kind of power is available 
at the poles. Our outdoor lights are 277 volt LED. At the very least, if you’re 
able to find a product to give you the power you need from that voltage, it’s 
probably going to be prohibitively expensive, and certainly not pretty on the 
pole. Your elegant lamp posts from the gaslight era will end up looking like 
those “tree” cell towers. Haha!



Happy Friday.



Eric LaCroix, Director of Technology, New Hampton School

70 Main Street • New Hampton, NH 03256





On 9/16/16, 3:53 PM, "The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
on behalf of Watters, John" >
 wrote:



The main problem we have with doing this is getting a second power feed int=

o the poles. All of our utilities are underground. And, all light poles are=

 decorative black things without any visible wires (it all comes in undergr=

ound). To make it worse, all lights are on a central switch which means tha=

t there is no power to the poles until the lights come on. Thus, the reason=

 for a separate power feed so wireless could run independently of the light=

s. Also, light power typically loops into a pole and then back out to the n=

ext pole in the run, thus filling up the access holes with twice as many wi=

res as would be desired (by us anyway), and leaving little room to get anot=

her power wire in (and also maybe back out) plus a small fiber cable.=20



Underground utilities look good but can cause problems with needing additio=

nal wiring added for nice stuff such as you mentioned.







John Watters

Network Engineer, Office of Information Technology

The University of Alabama

A115 Gordon Palmer Hall

Box 870346=20

Tuscaloosa, AL 35487=20

Phone 205-348-3992

john.watt...@ua.edu=20





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From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIREL=

ess-...@listserv.educause.edu] On 
Behalf Of Hector J Rios

Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 2:45 PM

To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU

Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Utility Poles



Has anyone on the list floated around the idea of establishing a standard t=

o provide fiber and adequate power to light poles in your campus? How cool =

would it be to have these resources available so they could be used not onl=

y to serve WiFi, but a myriad of other things like security cameras, public=

 

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Educause Conference

[Turner, Ryan H]

I am.  I was thinking about sending out this very message so we can see if we 
could have a get together.  Kinda like a netgurus session at Internet 2, but 
maybe just a half day.

I'll respond with more details later.   Hamburgers burning ;)

Ryan Turner
Manager of Network Operations, ITS
The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
+1 919 274 7926 Mobile
+1 919 445 0113 Office

On Sep 16, 2016, at 8:15 PM, Norton, Thomas (Network Services) 
> wrote:

Hey all,

Who is planning on going to the annual Educause conference this year? We have 
been thinking of attending for awhile, but wanted to hear from other folks 
about the benefits they see in it.

Thanks,

T.J. Norton
Wireless Network Architect - Team Lead
Network Services - Wireless

(434) 592-6552
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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless to Wired Bridge

[Adam Forsyth]

For a laptop or a desktop I agree.  For this current application, the wired
only device is a blue-ray player, so it's not going to work with a usb
adaptor.

On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 7:57 AM, Norman Mourtada 
wrote:

> Why not use a Wi-Fi usb adapter? I just tested the EDIMAX AC600 Wi-Fi USB
> adapter model EW-7811UTC is a dual band (2.4/5) and supports 802.11AC for
> under 425 and seems to work great.
>
> Has support for both Windows and MacOS drivers.
>
>
>
> Norm
>
> *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:
> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] *On Behalf Of *Adam Forsyth
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 15, 2016 8:49 AM
> *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> *Subject:* [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless to Wired Bridge
>
>
>
> Does anyone have a good wireless to wired bridge that they recommend to
> students to purchase when they have a wired only device that they wish they
> could connect in a wireless only residence hall?
>
>
>
> --
>
> *Adam Forsyth*
>
> Director of Network and Systems
>
> Luther College Information Technology Services
>
> 700 College Drive
>
> Decorah, IA 52101
>
> 563-387-1402
>
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> Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/
> groups/.
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> Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/
> groups/.
>
>


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Director of Network and Systems
Luther College Information Technology Services

*700 College DriveDecorah, IA 52101563-387-1402*

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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless to Wired Bridge

[Adam Forsyth]

Can it be configured as a bridge without repeating the wireless signal?

I bought a VONETS VRP5G  to try before recommending a solution to the
student.  Maybe I haven't played with it enough yet, but my issue with it
is that it really seems to want to repeat the wireless signal and be a
range extender in addition to a bridge.  I liked its price and compact form
factor and that it was dual band, but I don't want to recommend anything
that's making its own interfering network.

On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 8:07 AM, Mark Usher  wrote:

> TP-Link N150 Wireless Travel Router is still the best bang for your buck
> at only $20.
>
> On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 8:57 AM, Norman Mourtada 
> wrote:
>
>> Why not use a Wi-Fi usb adapter? I just tested the EDIMAX AC600 Wi-Fi USB
>> adapter model EW-7811UTC is a dual band (2.4/5) and supports 802.11AC for
>> under 425 and seems to work great.
>>
>> Has support for both Windows and MacOS drivers.
>>
>>
>>
>> Norm
>>
>> *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:
>> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] *On Behalf Of *Adam Forsyth
>> *Sent:* Thursday, September 15, 2016 8:49 AM
>> *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
>> *Subject:* [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless to Wired Bridge
>>
>>
>>
>> Does anyone have a good wireless to wired bridge that they recommend to
>> students to purchase when they have a wired only device that they wish they
>> could connect in a wireless only residence hall?
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> *Adam Forsyth*
>>
>> Director of Network and Systems
>>
>> Luther College Information Technology Services
>>
>> 700 College Drive
>>
>> Decorah, IA 52101
>>
>> 563-387-1402
>>
>> ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE
>> Constituent Group discussion list can be found at
>> http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
>> ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE
>> Constituent Group discussion list can be found at
>> http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> *Mark Usher*
> Director of Infrastructure and Security
> Information Technology | 102 Patterson Hall
> Ashland, Ohio 44843
> 419.289.5882 <4192895882>
> mus...@ashland.edu
>
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> groups/.
>
>


-- 
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Director of Network and Systems
Luther College Information Technology Services

*700 College DriveDecorah, IA 52101563-387-1402*

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Educause Conference

[Norton, Thomas (Network Services)]

Hey all,

Who is planning on going to the annual Educause conference this year? We have 
been thinking of attending for awhile, but wanted to hear from other folks 
about the benefits they see in it.

Thanks,

T.J. Norton
Wireless Network Architect – Team Lead
Network Services – Wireless

(434) 592-6552
[http://www.liberty.edu/media/1616/40themail/wordmark-for-email.jpg]

Liberty University  |  Training Champions for Christ since 1971


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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Educause Conference

[Norton, Thomas (Network Services)]

Awesome! That’s good to hear.

Amen to that!

T.J. Norton
Wireless Network Architect – Team Lead
Network Services – Wireless

(434) 592-6552
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Liberty University  |  Training Champions for Christ since 1971


From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
 on behalf of "Turner, Ryan H" 

Reply-To: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 

Date: Friday, September 16, 2016 at 8:18 PM
To: "WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU" 
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Educause Conference

I am.  I was thinking about sending out this very message so we can see if we 
could have a get together.  Kinda like a netgurus session at Internet 2, but 
maybe just a half day.

I'll respond with more details later.   Hamburgers burning ;)

Ryan Turner
Manager of Network Operations, ITS
The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
+1 919 274 7926 Mobile
+1 919 445 0113 Office

On Sep 16, 2016, at 8:15 PM, Norton, Thomas (Network Services) 
> wrote:
Hey all,

Who is planning on going to the annual Educause conference this year? We have 
been thinking of attending for awhile, but wanted to hear from other folks 
about the benefits they see in it.

Thanks,

T.J. Norton
Wireless Network Architect – Team Lead
Network Services – Wireless

(434) 592-6552
[http://www.liberty.edu/media/1616/40themail/wordmark-for-email.jpg]

Liberty University  |  Training Champions for Christ since 1971

** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE 
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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Educause Conference

[Julian Y Koh]

On Fri Sep 16 2016 19:24:14 CDT, "Norton, Thomas (Network Services)" 
 wrote: 
> 
> Awesome! That’s good to hear.
> 

Kind of mean to celebrate another man's burning of hamburger. :):)


-- 
Julian Y. Koh
Associate Director, Telecommunications and Network Services
Northwestern Information Technology

2001 Sheridan Road #G-166
Evanston, IL 60208
+1-847-467-5780
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Utility Poles

[Hector J Rios]

Has anyone on the list floated around the idea of establishing a standard to 
provide fiber and adequate power to light poles in your campus? How cool would 
it be to have these resources available so they could be used not only to serve 
WiFi, but a myriad of other things like security cameras, public safety, 
digital signage,  and the ton of promises that the IoT is promising. I'm 
wondering if this is a cost effective thing to do? As a strategic plan, it 
seems to also make sense. I know all campuses are different. We are just lucky 
that we own our poles, so we have no issues with obtaining permission. Thoughts?

Hector Rios
Louisiana State University

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