[WSG] increasing font size breaking layout
I was wondering if people had any opinions on when its acceptable if at all for a layout to break when users increase font size. Sites I am working on look fine if text is increased or decreased 1 or 2 times but when they are increased repeatedly the layout goes a bit whacky in some browsers (Netscape 6.2 on PC, IE5 Mac). Specifically, elements which are absolutely positioned get overlapped by wrapped list navigation. It seems to me that this only happens when text gets extremely large on small resolution screens and therefore I shouldn't worry too much, but is extreme all in the eye of the beholder? Grant Focas ** This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain privileged information or confidential information or both. If you are not the intended recipient please delete it and notify the sender. ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] increasing font size breaking layout
My understanding is that if all elements are relative/proportional, the layouts should never break. -- On Tuesday, 28 September 2004 4:14 PM, Focas, Grant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was wondering if people had any opinions on when its acceptable if at all for a layout to break when users increase font size. Sites I am working on look fine if text is increased or decreased 1 or 2 times but when they are increased repeatedly the layout goes a bit whacky in some browsers (Netscape 6.2 on PC, IE5 Mac). Specifically, elements which are absolutely positioned get overlapped by wrapped list navigation. It seems to me that this only happens when text gets extremely large on small resolution screens and therefore I shouldn't worry too much, but is extreme all in the eye of the beholder? Grant Focas ** This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain privileged information or confidential information or both. If you are not the intended recipient please delete it and notify the sender. ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] increasing font size breaking layout
Usually there isn't much you can do in these situations. I just ignore it. If you can double the font size, that should be more than enough. If someone needs it bigger - then they are going to be used to broken sites anyway... Any bigger and it becomes too hard to manage. You need to draw a line somewhere, i have - at 2 * the size... Focas, Grant wrote: I was wondering if people had any opinions on when its acceptable if at all for a layout to break when users increase font size. Sites I am working on look fine if text is increased or decreased 1 or 2 times but when they are increased repeatedly the layout goes a bit whacky in some browsers (Netscape 6.2 on PC, IE5 Mac). Specifically, elements which are absolutely positioned get overlapped by wrapped list navigation. It seems to me that this only happens when text gets extremely large on small resolution screens and therefore I shouldn't worry too much, but is extreme all in the eye of the beholder? Grant Focas ** This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain privileged information or confidential information or both. If you are not the intended recipient please delete it and notify the sender. ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Chris Stratford [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.neester.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] increasing font size breaking layout
Yes, if all elements are proportional the layouts never break, increase or decrease size as same the font. Take a look: http://www.gestoriagarcia.net It's my latest work, incerase or decrease the size. Sorry for my english. cesar | cesargarcia.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -Mensaje original- De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] En nombre de Andrew Thompson Enviado el: martes, 28 de septiembre de 2004 8:33 Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Asunto: Re: [WSG] increasing font size breaking layout My understanding is that if all elements are relative/proportional, the layouts should never break. -- On Tuesday, 28 September 2004 4:14 PM, Focas, Grant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was wondering if people had any opinions on when its acceptable if at all for a layout to break when users increase font size. Sites I am working on look fine if text is increased or decreased 1 or 2 times but when they are increased repeatedly the layout goes a bit whacky in some browsers (Netscape 6.2 on PC, IE5 Mac). Specifically, elements which are absolutely positioned get overlapped by wrapped list navigation. It seems to me that this only happens when text gets extremely large on small resolution screens and therefore I shouldn't worry too much, but is extreme all in the eye of the beholder? Grant Focas ** This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain privileged information or confidential information or both. If you are not the intended recipient please delete it and notify the sender. ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] increasing font size breaking layout
Your English is good, but Safari on the Mac makes a hash of your site. http://www.imagine-hosting.com/images/gestoriagarcia_Safari.jpg On Tuesday, 28 September 2004 6:41 PM, cesargarcia.com|cesar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, if all elements are proportional the layouts never break, increase or decrease size as same the font. Take a look: http://www.gestoriagarcia.net It's my latest work, incerase or decrease the size. Sorry for my english. cesar | cesargarcia.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -Mensaje original- De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] En nombre de Andrew Thompson Enviado el: martes, 28 de septiembre de 2004 8:33 Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Asunto: Re: [WSG] increasing font size breaking layout My understanding is that if all elements are relative/proportional, the layouts should never break. -- On Tuesday, 28 September 2004 4:14 PM, Focas, Grant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was wondering if people had any opinions on when its acceptable if at all for a layout to break when users increase font size. Sites I am working on look fine if text is increased or decreased 1 or 2 times but when they are increased repeatedly the layout goes a bit whacky in some browsers (Netscape 6.2 on PC, IE5 Mac). Specifically, elements which are absolutely positioned get overlapped by wrapped list navigation. It seems to me that this only happens when text gets extremely large on small resolution screens and therefore I shouldn't worry too much, but is extreme all in the eye of the beholder? Grant Focas ** This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain privileged information or confidential information or both. If you are not the intended recipient please delete it and notify the sender. ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] fixed background...
Ladies and Gentlemen: I'm attempting my first fixed background, and I have one question and need one solution to a problem. question: is it supposed to work in IE? problem: in FF, even though I believe the syntax is correct, it's not fixing. I have a sidepanel ID created specifically to house the fixed image (and I've also stuck the same image on the page itself, for experimentation purposes). I tried, instead, to fix the image as a background of the content ID (floating left and bottom), but I was getting whitespace gaps in the image, and the content in the content ID was wigging in IE...that remains a mystery. I admit that I'm very new at this stuff, and so I'm rather embarassed to even mention it (worrying that it's a simple mistake that is easily corrected). You can see what I'm talking about at http://www.drzeus.net/redesign/cslewis/ Any assistance in this matter would be greatly appreciated. I have other questions (ie: how can I get the menu to stick in place in IE as it does in Firefox), but I'll save those for another time. ;) Much obliged! -- ~john _ Dr. Zeus Web Development http://www.DrZeus.net content without clutter ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] increasing font size breaking layout
Opsss. it will try to solve it. as I can see my sites in safari ? I use Windows Thanks -Mensaje original- De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] En nombre de Andrew Thompson Enviado el: martes, 28 de septiembre de 2004 10:56 Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Asunto: Re: [WSG] increasing font size breaking layout Your English is good, but Safari on the Mac makes a hash of your site. http://www.imagine-hosting.com/images/gestoriagarcia_Safari.jpg On Tuesday, 28 September 2004 6:41 PM, cesargarcia.com|cesar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, if all elements are proportional the layouts never break, increase or decrease size as same the font. Take a look: http://www.gestoriagarcia.net It's my latest work, incerase or decrease the size. Sorry for my english. cesar | cesargarcia.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -Mensaje original- De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] En nombre de Andrew Thompson Enviado el: martes, 28 de septiembre de 2004 8:33 Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Asunto: Re: [WSG] increasing font size breaking layout My understanding is that if all elements are relative/proportional, the layouts should never break. -- On Tuesday, 28 September 2004 4:14 PM, Focas, Grant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was wondering if people had any opinions on when its acceptable if at all for a layout to break when users increase font size. Sites I am working on look fine if text is increased or decreased 1 or 2 times but when they are increased repeatedly the layout goes a bit whacky in some browsers (Netscape 6.2 on PC, IE5 Mac). Specifically, elements which are absolutely positioned get overlapped by wrapped list navigation. It seems to me that this only happens when text gets extremely large on small resolution screens and therefore I shouldn't worry too much, but is extreme all in the eye of the beholder? Grant Focas ** This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain privileged information or confidential information or both. If you are not the intended recipient please delete it and notify the sender. ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Strange transperant section in IE
I have been developing a catalogue/shopping cart site for a client and have come across the following problem in IE. For some reason, every now and then, a rectangular patch of the background shows though. A screen capture of this is available at: http://www.madforit.com.au/brothers/ie.jpg (please excuse the quality of the image) The offending page can be found at: http://brothers2.madforit.com.au/index.php/user/product/beer/local_beer/ Note the dark blue box below the heading SPECIAL - Gold Stubbies. I have been taring my hair out for hours trying to figure this one out. Sometimes its there, others it isn't. Sometimes you have to add something into the shopping cart before it will play up. I haven't been able to replicate the problem in any other browser. Also while I am here, has anyone noticed that if you create a PNG file with a solid colour in it, it will never match up to the to a background colour in Safari. Is there any way to make sure they do or is PNG support in Safari broken? An example screenshot: http://www.madforit.com.au/brothers/safari.jpg Thanks in advance. For those who want to know this is my first real site in XHTML + CSS. I have wanted to do it before, but I have never had a designer who would actually let me write the HTML code until now. At the backend I have used (slightly off topic i know) PHP4 HTML_QuickForm (Object Oriented form builder) DB_DataObject (Object Oriented interface to MySQL) Smarty template engine Hopefully in the end, I will have a standards compliant web site, that neatly has all the back end code separated from the HTML. It should be a dream to maintain if I manage to achieve this. Regards, Ned -- Ned Lukies Manager Mad for IT (07) 38319234 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] shrinking p whitespace
Hi, This is my first request for help to this list I think. Hope it's appropriate since it's kind of a CSS help thing but I can't bear going back on css-discuss if you know what I mean. ;-) At here: http://www.lucernemedia.com/ I'm trying to shrink the whitespace after the video titles (.video_title is the relevant style I'm pretty sure). See anything obvious that's keeping the whitespace so big after the titles? Stylesheet here: http://www.lucernemedia.com/css/newestbase.css CSS and markup mainly validate, with a few margin errors perhaps. TIA Rick Faaberg ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Strange transperant section in IE
Hi Ned I'm at work, so am being forced to use IE5.5 (entirely against my will, I assure you). The content is dropping below the menu. Afraid I can't offer a solution at the moment as my pc/ie won't let me view the css (yes, I love my Win95 pc...) - I imagine it's something to do with widths and ie not being able to add. I can send you a screenshot if that helps - let me know and I'll send it offlist. Best wishes Emily (who should be working, not checking her emails) Quoting Ned Lukies [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I have been developing a catalogue/shopping cart site for a client and have come across the following problem in IE. For some reason, every now and then, a rectangular patch of the background shows though. A screen capture of this is available at: http://www.madforit.com.au/brothers/ie.jpg (please excuse the quality of the image) The offending page can be found at: http://brothers2.madforit.com.au/index.php/user/product/beer/local_beer/ Note the dark blue box below the heading SPECIAL - Gold Stubbies. I have been taring my hair out for hours trying to figure this one out. Sometimes its there, others it isn't. Sometimes you have to add something into the shopping cart before it will play up. I haven't been able to replicate the problem in any other browser. Also while I am here, has anyone noticed that if you create a PNG file with a solid colour in it, it will never match up to the to a background colour in Safari. Is there any way to make sure they do or is PNG support in Safari broken? An example screenshot: http://www.madforit.com.au/brothers/safari.jpg Thanks in advance. For those who want to know this is my first real site in XHTML + CSS. I have wanted to do it before, but I have never had a designer who would actually let me write the HTML code until now. At the backend I have used (slightly off topic i know) PHP4 HTML_QuickForm (Object Oriented form builder) DB_DataObject (Object Oriented interface to MySQL) Smarty template engine Hopefully in the end, I will have a standards compliant web site, that neatly has all the back end code separated from the HTML. It should be a dream to maintain if I manage to achieve this. Regards, Ned -- Ned Lukies Manager Mad for IT (07) 38319234 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] shrinking p whitespace
Hi Rick, Welcome to the group :D as for the whitespace around the P have you removed padding and margin from it? and if so have you removed it from any surrounding elemenets? thats normaly the main cause of whitespace around a P Hope that helps you on your way a bit... Mark Harwood Phunky.co.uk / Zinkmedia.co.uk / XhtmlandCss.co.uk ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Box floating, footer placement, completion of column
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 5:17 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WSG] Box floating, footer placement, completion of column Hi, I normally just lurk and listen in on everyone here and enjoy it a great deal. I have a small site design that is causing me problems, and I can't seem to find the problem. http://64.219.167.253/test/testpage.php Three issues going on here: 1) The page footer is floating in the middle of the page, not at the bottom 2) The left navigation bar (black background) stops short, does not continue length of page as i want. 3) The line Here is content after the boxes -- what I *want* is to have two floating boxes, side by side, each with its list in it, and the here is content after the boxes should fall AFTER those two boxes. Any insight would be greatly appreciated. Kathy Lessa ** Kathy, start by adding a doctype so the browser knows what set of rules to use for interpreting your tags. And add a character set meta tag. Take the guess work out of it for the browser. It will help you and the end user. For ease of use, you might consider html4 strict as your doctype. Second, get into the habit of writing tags in lower case. While not required with some doctypes, lower case is required in xhtml strict which is the doctype towards which page composition is moving. Third you need to study a bit about floats. You are clearing improperly. That's why you have the positioning issues. You need to not clear the first float and do the clear:both after the second float. For a quick tutorial see: http://www.positioniseverything.net/articles/float-theory.html Fourth, your footer should be a list. For that see: http://www.alistapart.com/articles/taminglists/ Fifth, validate your code, both css and html. drew ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] shrinking p whitespace
On 9/28/04 4:06 AM Mark Harwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent this out:
as for the whitespace around the P have you removed padding and margin from
it?
and if so have you removed it from any surrounding elemenets? thats normaly
the main cause of whitespace around a P
All I've specified for p is a font family...
p { font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, Geneva, Swiss, SunSans-Regular,
sans-serif }
As far as surrounding elements, I hoped you folks would spot something
obvious that I'm missing because I've looked real hard. :-)
Thanks,
Rick
http://www.lucernemedia.com/
SS http://www.lucernemedia.com/css/newestbase.css
Need to get rid of the white space after the video titles - the style is
video_title
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Re: [WSG] shrinking p whitespace
Rick, You could put margin:0 in .video_title and .video_synop and that should fix the space issue. You might want to consider more semantic code though, perhaps use the h element (or even a definition list?). cameron. Rick Faaberg wrote: Hi, This is my first request for help to this list I think. Hope it's appropriate since it's kind of a CSS help thing but I can't bear going back on css-discuss if you know what I mean. ;-) At here: http://www.lucernemedia.com/ I'm trying to shrink the whitespace after the video titles (.video_title is the relevant style I'm pretty sure). See anything obvious that's keeping the whitespace so big after the titles? Stylesheet here: http://www.lucernemedia.com/css/newestbase.css CSS and markup mainly validate, with a few margin errors perhaps. TIA Rick Faaberg ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] fixed background...
On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 10:27:43 +0100, john [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ladies and Gentlemen: I'm attempting my first fixed background, and I have one question and need one solution to a problem. question: is it supposed to work in IE? It only seems to work for me in IE, if it is the background of body Have you tried that yet? ~parker ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] shrinking p whitespace
Title: RE: [WSG] shrinking p whitespace
Hi Rick
I have altered the markup as follows:
table id=releases
tr
thNew video releases (all available in VHS, DVD, and Digital)/th
/tr
tr
tdh3Electing the President 2004: How the Electoral College Works/h3
Including footage of the 2004 presidential race, this timely program explains the U.S. election system. It examines the function of the Electoral College from its inception to the present day, the rise of political parties, changes in voter eligibility, the influence of TV. Teacher#146;s Guide. (16 min. Gr. 6-12) /td
/tr
tr
td class=item_tdh3Bullying at School: Decisions and Consequences/h3
Harassment by classmates drives a boy to an act of violence against one of them that leads to his being charged with assault. Issues raised stimulate discussion about emotional and physical bullying, conflict resolution, and violence prevention. Discussion Guide. (12 min. Gr. 5-8, Adult) /td
/tr
tr
tdh3img src="" alt= height=83 width=70 align=right border=0 livesrc=images/flag_our_country.jpgOur Country's Flag/h3How did the Stars and Stripes come to be the patriotic symbol of the United States? Beginning with Colonial and Revolutionary War flags, we trace the evolution of our flag as the nation grew. Many actual flags are shown as well as their use in historic events. Teacher#146;s Guide. (12 min. Gr. 3-6)/td
.and so on. This is more semantically correct. The table is showing release details. Once the table has been given an 'id' attribute it is then easy to remove the unnecessary classes which only serve to clutter the markup. Once this has been done then the following styles can be added to the stylesheet. You can control whitespace around the content in the td's by adding padding the their declaration ( ie table#releases td {padding: 3px; }
Here are the styles:
table#releases
{
padding: 0;
margin: 0;
width: 100%;
font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, Geneva, Swiss, SunSans-Regular, sans-serif; //this only needs to be declared here if it isn't already set in the body styles for the page. It 'cascades' to its children/descendants
}
table#releases th
{
color: #e10372;
font-weight: bold;
font-size: 12px;
text-align: center;
margin-top: 6px;
margin-bottom: 6px;
}
table#releases td h3
{
padding: 0;
margin: 0;
color: #0b3e7f;
font-weight: bold;
font-size: 11px;
}
table#releases td
{
color: #0b3e7f;
font-size: 10px;
line-height: 11px;
margin-right: 12px;
margin-bottom: 6px;
margin-left: 12px
}
I have set the font-weight property to bold. This should suffice in most circumstances.
I hope this helps.
Peter Goddard
-Original Message-
From: Rick Faaberg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 28 September 2004 11:30
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [WSG] shrinking p whitespace
Hi,
This is my first request for help to this list I think. Hope it's
appropriate since it's kind of a CSS help thing but I can't bear going back
on css-discuss if you know what I mean. ;-)
At here:
http://www.lucernemedia.com/
I'm trying to shrink the whitespace after the video titles (.video_title is
the relevant style I'm pretty sure).
See anything obvious that's keeping the whitespace so big after the titles?
Stylesheet here:
http://www.lucernemedia.com/css/newestbase.css
CSS and markup mainly validate, with a few margin errors perhaps.
TIA
Rick Faaberg
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RE: [WSG] fixed background...
Title: RE: [WSG] fixed background... Try the following link, I have used fixed.js and it sorts out ie http://www.doxdesk.com/software/js/fixed.html Peter -Original Message- From: Parker Torrence [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 28 September 2004 12:49 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] fixed background... On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 10:27:43 +0100, john [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ladies and Gentlemen: I'm attempting my first fixed background, and I have one question and need one solution to a problem. question: is it supposed to work in IE? It only seems to work for me in IE, if it is the background of body Have you tried that yet? ~parker ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Strange transparent section in IE
Looks like I need to do some work on my spelling as well as my html/css :) I'm at work, so am being forced to use IE5.5 (entirely against my will, I assure you). The content is dropping below the menu. Afraid I can't offer a solution at the moment as my pc/ie won't let me view the css (yes, I love my Win95 pc...) - I imagine it's something to do with widths and ie not being able to add. I can send you a screenshot if that helps - let me know and I'll send it offlist. Thanks for that. The problem you described was showing up in IE6 earlier, but I somehow managed to solve it. The layout was based on something from csscreator.com and I thought I included all of the IE5 hacks. I guess not. Any further insight would be usefull Ned ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] gBrowser from Google
Hi everyone I was recently told by a friend that there is talk of a browser to be released soon by Google called gBrowser I have googled for any news on it, and what support for standards it may have, but haven't really heard much.. To keep on topic, has anyone heard whether it will follow standards at all?? Or will it do a Netscape and use Mozilla and add extras on top? Their toolbar is IE only (a Mozilla version project at http://sourceforge.net/projects/google-toolbar/ has not moved in ages), so I am hoping they aren't going to base on IE With the number of gmail accounts going about, I can only think what a few gmail plug-ins to a gBrowser can do, before nearly every desktop will have it installed. Ralph ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] gBrowser from Google
Webstandards wrote: Their toolbar is IE only (a Mozilla version project at http://sourceforge.net/projects/google-toolbar/ has not moved in ages), so I am hoping they aren't going to base on IE Not sure about the gBrowser, but there is a version of the Google toolbar for Firefox at http://googlebar.mozdev.org. It works well and seems to have nearly all of the features of the IE version (with the exception of PageRank). - Joe -- Joe Winton, Web/Graphics Coordinator Washington State University Vancouver Office of Campus Advancement [EMAIL PROTECTED] 360.546.9603 http://www.vancouver.wsu.edu ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Mac site check please...
On 28 sep 2004, at 08.37, Francesco wrote: I am developing using ASP.NET, which we all know is not XHTML compliant, Hi. You may be interested in the articles at ASP.NET Resources [1], more specifically Producing XHTML-Compliant Pages With Response Filters [2], which explains how to clean up the mess. I successfully implemented this in a recent project, so you can make ASP.NET based sites validate :) [1] http://aspnetresources.com/ [2] http://aspnetresources.com/articles/HttpFilters.aspx /Roger -- http://www.456bereastreet.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] gBrowser from Google
Well, I did manage to get a warning from Google that our service (GMail) may not look right because you aren't using IE message, so the hopes of them NOT using IE as a backend? Slim. Corporations like Google are probably going to jump on ease of use and/or popularity. Still, it'd be nice to have gecko running the show. It'll suck if gBrowser turns out to be some craptastic IE wrapper like CrazyBrowser. Oh, the numbers of people who refer to CrazyBrowser as an actual browser is frightening. Don't these people wonder why it is that having IE6 installed is a requirement to run it's software?! *palm to the forehead* Webstandards wrote: Hi everyone I was recently told by a friend that there is talk of a browser to be released soon by Google called gBrowser I have googled for any news on it, and what support for standards it may have, but haven't really heard much.. To keep on topic, has anyone heard whether it will follow standards at all?? Or will it do a Netscape and use Mozilla and add extras on top? Their toolbar is IE only (a Mozilla version project at http://sourceforge.net/projects/google-toolbar/ has not moved in ages), so I am hoping they aren't going to base on IE With the number of gmail accounts going about, I can only think what a few gmail plug-ins to a gBrowser can do, before nearly every desktop will have it installed. Ralph ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Ryan Christie| e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Harrisonburg, VA | w: http://extrablack.com (opening soon) ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] gBrowser from Google
Webstandards wrote: Hi everyone I was recently told by a friend that there is talk of a browser to be released soon by Google called gBrowser I have googled for any news on it, and what support for standards it may have, but haven't really heard much.. The talk is that GBrowser will be based on mozilla. Me thinks google would love to take advantage of the XUL standard that mozilla has so fully adopted. The browser is most definately on the way[1] its just a matter of when. Darren. [1] http://www.whois.net/whois.cgi2?d=gbrowser.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] fixed background...
Will do. Has anybody else looked at my code? Can some suggestions be offered, please? Thanks. ~john _ Dr. Zeus Web Development http://www.DrZeus.net content without clutter Peter Goddard wrote: Try the following link, I have used fixed.js and it sorts out ie http://www.doxdesk.com/software/js/fixed.html Peter -Original Message- From: Parker Torrence [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 28 September 2004 12:49 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] fixed background... On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 10:27:43 +0100, john [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ladies and Gentlemen: I'm attempting my first fixed background, and I have one question and need one solution to a problem. question: is it supposed to work in IE? It only seems to work for me in IE, if it is the background of body Have you tried that yet? ~parker ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] gBrowser from Google
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was recently told by a friend that there is talk of a browser to be released soon by Google called gBrowser I have googled for any news on it, and what support for standards it may have, but haven't really heard much.. Its been reported they have hired 4 IE developers http://www.masternewmedia.org/news/2004/09/22/google_browser_coming.htm And the fact that Mozilla Developer Day was held at Google has people speculating what they have planned http://www.kottke.org/04/08/the-google-browser Regards Jason ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] shrinking p whitespace
On Tuesday, Sep 28, 2004, at 20:29 Australia/Sydney, Rick Faaberg wrote: At here: http://www.lucernemedia.com/ I'm trying to shrink the whitespace after the video titles (.video_title is the relevant style I'm pretty sure). See anything obvious that's keeping the whitespace so big after the titles? Rick: First, by 'whitespace' do you mean the line of space between p.video_title and p.video_synop? Is that what you're trying to close up? Because if so, you need to add margin-bottom:0 to the css declaration for p.video-title, and margin-top: 0 to p.video_synop. A p, by default , will always give you a line of whitespace before the next p... Or is your issue something else? If so, browser, version, platform, please - and a clear description of where the unwanted whitespace is? Nick ___ Omnivision. Websight. http://www.omnivision.com.au/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] fixed background...
The 'fixed' property for element background images works in IE only for the body selector, and fails in all other cases. Cheers, Kevin On 28/9/04 7:27 PM, john [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ladies and Gentlemen: I'm attempting my first fixed background, and I have one question and need one solution to a problem. question: is it supposed to work in IE? problem: in FF, even though I believe the syntax is correct, it's not fixing. I have a sidepanel ID created specifically to house the fixed image (and I've also stuck the same image on the page itself, for experimentation purposes). I tried, instead, to fix the image as a background of the content ID (floating left and bottom), but I was getting whitespace gaps in the image, and the content in the content ID was wigging in IE...that remains a mystery. I admit that I'm very new at this stuff, and so I'm rather embarassed to even mention it (worrying that it's a simple mistake that is easily corrected). You can see what I'm talking about at http://www.drzeus.net/redesign/cslewis/ Any assistance in this matter would be greatly appreciated. I have other questions (ie: how can I get the menu to stick in place in IE as it does in Firefox), but I'll save those for another time. ;) Much obliged! ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] AOHell
In a developers meeting today I was asked about AOL, should we test with it... What do you do? What considerations are there for AOl? Ted ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] standards based calendar function
Hi everyone We have been trying to get a calendar popup function for our web site to work. I know there are a lot of them out there but I'd like to know if you have a favorite. I'm talking about clicking into a form field for a date, having a calendar appear, click on the calendar's date, and the field is populated. We are currently using one called calendarxp that uses an iframe and is not validating very well. It also is not consistent in its position at all. here's a couple examples: http://v4.csatravelprotection.com/csa/jsp/index.jsp calendar is in the leftnav, for departure and return date http://v4.csatravelprotection.com/csa/preparequote.do calendar is in the body for the same fields. I appreciate any information you may have. Ted ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] AOHell
On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 16:15:25 -0700, Ted Drake wrote: In a developers meeting today I was asked about AOL, should we test with it... What do you do? What considerations are there for AOl? If it is a redevelopment, I look to the logs for the current site - what is the percentage of AOL visitors now? If high, then, obviously Yes. if low, I give some consideration to self-fulfilling prophecies[1] before I ignore it. but I always do some basic testing as broadly as possible. Full interactive testing can be a little more defined on the audience though Lea [1] I mean that there are no visitors using X because its either been excluded through browser sniffing or looks so bad that they leave straight away -- Lea de Groot Elysian Systems - I Understand the Internet http://elysiansystems.com/ WebTalk: Putting Businesses on the Internet - a newsletter at http://elysiansystems.com/newsletter/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] gBrowser from Google
There's also the rumour of the google browser bug that was in Bugzilla (but then was made private and no longer appears): http://www.deftone.com/blogzilla/archives/google_browser.html -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jason Turnbull Sent: Wednesday, 29 September 2004 8:03 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [WSG] gBrowser from Google [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was recently told by a friend that there is talk of a browser to be released soon by Google called gBrowser I have googled for any news on it, and what support for standards it may have, but haven't really heard much.. Its been reported they have hired 4 IE developers http://www.masternewmedia.org/news/2004/09/22/google_browser_c oming.htm And the fact that Mozilla Developer Day was held at Google has people speculating what they have planned http://www.kottke.org/04/08/the-google-browser Regards Jason ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain privileged information or confidential information or both. If you are not the intended recipient please delete it and notify the sender. ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] AOHell
AOL browser is uses the IE engine, does it not? Ted Drake wrote: In a developers meeting today I was asked about AOL, should we test with it... What do you do? What considerations are there for AOl? Ted ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Ryan Christie| e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Harrisonburg, VA | w: http://extrablack.com (opening soon) ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] AOHell
On 9/28/04 7:08 PM Ryan Christie [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent this out: AOL browser is uses the IE engine, does it not? I think they switched to Gecko. Rick Faaberg ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
