RE: [WSG] Forms using CSS
Hi Ryan, I have a list of form guidelines including links to resources which may be of use: http://www.websemantics.co.uk/tutorials/form_guidelines/ Regards mike 2k:)2 marqueeblink e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] site: http://www.webSemantics.co.uk /marquee/blink ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Help - newbie
Glad to help! It honestly is the best ever coder I have used. It is true that for Server Side Scripting - it isn't as helpful as it is for HTML. But is is really advanced in that, when you have a document - for example a PHP document, like below: ? php php php php php php php php php php php php ? html head style css css css css css css css css css css css css /style script lang=text/javascript script script script script script script script script /script html html html html html html html html html html html html The program will use PHP Syntax Highligting for the PHP side of the page... HTML for the HTML. CSS for the Styles... and Javascript for the Javascript :) Its really good!!! Love it! Bruce wrote: Chris Stratford wrote: Wow,wow,wow slow down Alan, ... snip I LOVE TSW WebCoder. Built in FTP is Excellent! Built in Project Manager - with Status reports, To Do Lists, Full Project Upload Built in Server Mapping. Preview in IE and Mozilla - only for HTML coding, or if your server mapping... HTML Tidy is built in... Built in HTML/CSS Validator - on the fly validators... Own Scripting Engine, to build your own UI or just functions... Reading the above I decided it wouldn't kill me to try this out. Normally I use an editor just to have clear code highlighted, but this one is terrific. I especially like the download/edit/upload. A great timesaver for sure, and I haven't checked out all of it yet. Thank you Chris, you have made my work easier. That's what the group excels at, helping each other :-) Bruce Prochnau www.bkdesign.ca ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Chris Stratford [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.neester.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.1 - Release Date: 19/01/2005 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] mysterious little movement
Looks like you've fixed it. Forcing buggy IE to show at least 250px of
canvas seems to do the trick, fine.
Opera gives the body a padding, you might add padding:0 to body{} to
align the little white triangles/rounded corners.
Ingo
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[WSG] valid table tags for xhtml strict
Hello everyone, Could someone please point me to the information I'm after - I've searched and got a lot of very unreliable information and not found what I'm looking for. I'm looking for a list of valid attributes which can be used with tables in XHTML strict. Dreamweaver is disappointing in this respect, in that it allows me to use things like 'bordercolor', then the page fails to validate. Also, whereas 'align=center cannot be used as a table attribute table align=centerit is perfectly valid to say td align=center. I can understand that this because it relates to the DATA (not the box), but it can be confusing. Anyone with any info (or sources) ? Failing that, I'm going to have to use each one in turn and try validating! Many thanks, Bob McClelland, Cornwall (U.K.) www.gwelanmor-internet.co.uk ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] valid table tags for xhtml strict
and got a lot of very unreliable information and not found what I'm looking for. Try the source: http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/ XHTML is based on HTML4, so this also applies (note the Deprecated columns!): http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/index/elements.html http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/index/attributes.html I'm looking for a list of valid attributes which can be used with tables in XHTML strict. If you know how to read DTD, check the URL in DOCTYPE you use. Also, whereas 'align=center cannot be used as a table attribute table align=centerit is perfectly valid to say td align=center. It is presentational attribute. It is not valid in XHTML/1.1 or any Strict [X]HTML version. -- regards, Kornel Lesiski http://browsehappy.pl ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] valid table tags for xhtml strict
G'day I'm looking for a list of valid attributes which can be used with tables in XHTML strict. Best source would be the actual DTD at the World Wide Web Consortium. However, as that can be a bit hard to read, I recommend you have a look at www.zvon.org - you can use their XHTML reference online or download it. Also, whereas 'align=center cannot be used as a table attribute table align=centerit is perfectly valid to say td align=center. I can understand that this because it relates to the DATA (not the box), but it can be confusing. I am surprised to see the align attribute (and valign) are still valid on some elements in the strict DTD. To me, they are presentational in nature (why would one align data other than for layout/presentation?) Kornel - you might like to double-check your statement that It is not valid in XHTML/1.1 or any Strict [X]HTML version. http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/index/attributes.html indicates that the align attribute it is *NOT* deprecated for COL, COLGROUP, TBODY, TD, TFOOT, TH, THEAD and TR. Neither is valign. Regards -- Bert Doorn, Better Web Design http://www.betterwebdesign.com.au/ Fast-loading, user-friendly websites ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Help - newbie
I haven't even heard of TSW coder before - but it looks pretty good. The built-in code validators look really handy - especially for bug-hunting. Thanks for the link! On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 20:35:31 +1100, Chris Stratford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Glad to help! It honestly is the best ever coder I have used. It is true that for Server Side Scripting - it isn't as helpful as it is for HTML. But is is really advanced in that, when you have a document - for example a PHP document, like below: ? php php php php php php php php php php php php ? html head style css css css css css css css css css css css css /style script lang=text/javascript script script script script script script script script /script html html html html html html html html html html html html The program will use PHP Syntax Highligting for the PHP side of the page... HTML for the HTML. CSS for the Styles... and Javascript for the Javascript :) Its really good!!! Love it! Bruce wrote: Chris Stratford wrote: Wow,wow,wow slow down Alan, ... snip I LOVE TSW WebCoder. Built in FTP is Excellent! Built in Project Manager - with Status reports, To Do Lists, Full Project Upload Built in Server Mapping. Preview in IE and Mozilla - only for HTML coding, or if your server mapping... HTML Tidy is built in... Built in HTML/CSS Validator - on the fly validators... Own Scripting Engine, to build your own UI or just functions... Reading the above I decided it wouldn't kill me to try this out. Normally I use an editor just to have clear code highlighted, but this one is terrific. I especially like the download/edit/upload. A great timesaver for sure, and I haven't checked out all of it yet. Thank you Chris, you have made my work easier. That's what the group excels at, helping each other :-) Bruce Prochnau www.bkdesign.ca ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Chris Stratford [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.neester.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.1 - Release Date: 19/01/2005 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Jason Foss http://www.almost-anything.com.au Windows Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] North Rockhampton, Queensland, Australia ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] valid table tags for xhtml strict
Kornel - you might like to double-check your statement that It is not valid in XHTML/1.1 or any Strict [X]HTML version. http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/index/attributes.html indicates that the align attribute it is *NOT* deprecated for COL, COLGROUP, TBODY, TD, TFOOT, TH, THEAD and TR. Neither is valign. Oh, you're right. I'm surprised. I thought that simply ALL presentational attributes are deprecated. Why these aren't? -- regards, Kornel Lesiski ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] meta tag standards
Hello List, Is there anything wrong with closing meta tags like so: meta name=keywords content=Web, Development, Design, Hosting, Ecommerce, IT, Consultancy, Logos, Logo, Websites /metaThe reason that I ask is that I am developing our new company website (http://dev.netring.co.uk/netring2004 - I started it in 2004) and I am using XML and XSLT as the backend template system. The problem is that I cant get XSLT to close my Meta tag (meta /) in the way that I wish it to be.I was wondering if there was actually anything wrong with closing it in a separate closing tag. Thanks for any advice,Phil Baines Netring media and technology website: www.netring.co.uk telephone: 01239 711 471 The information in this email is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the intended recipient, any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, any form of reproduction, dissemination, copying, disclosure, modification, distribution and/or publication of this E-mail message is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this E-mail message in error, please notify us immediately. Please also destroy and delete the message from your computer. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.1 - Release Date: 19/01/2005
RE: [WSG] mysterious little movement
Danke, Ingo! Thanks.
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Subject: Re: [WSG] mysterious little movement
Looks like you've fixed it. Forcing buggy IE to show at least
250px of
canvas seems to do the trick, fine.
Opera gives the body a padding, you might add padding:0 to body{} to
align the little white triangles/rounded corners.
Ingo
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Re: [WSG] meta tag standards
On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 11:57:02 -, Phil Baines wrote: meta name=keywords content=Web, Development, Design, Hosting, Ecommerce, IT, Consultancy, Logos, Logo, Websites /meta The correct syntax would be meta name=keywords content=Web, Development, Design, Hosting, Ecommerce, IT, Consultancy, Logos, Logo, Websites / Note the slash inside the meta tag! See http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/#h-4.6 HIH Lea -- Lea de Groot Elysian Systems - I Understand the Internet http://elysiansystems.com/ Search Engine Optimisation, Usability, Information Architecture, Web Design Brisbane, Australia ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] meta tag standards
Is there anything wrong with closing meta tags like so: meta name=keywords content=Web, Development, Design, Hosting, Ecommerce, IT, Consultancy, Logos, Logo, Websites /meta In XML probably not, but tag-soup browsers/robots may try to fix your code and assume that /meta is ment to be /head or something like that. My XSLT knowledge is tiny, but I think that it is quite possible to make meta / tag, check XSLT FAQ: http://dpawson.co.uk/xsl/sect2/sect21.html -- regards, Kornel Lesiski ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] javascript
I have altered the code in a Movable Type site to allow using a different script for photo pop ups. Changed the default code fine, everything works...except...I coded it to include the alt=title in the thumb code which it didn't do before. Only problem is that I now get alt=images/daggarlake.jpg, which is a major accomplishment for me...lol. Can anyone point me towards a place that gives some idea of the code to remove the jpg and /images? I have searched all over, and am starting to study it a lot more...but need to fix this in the meantime Thanks Bruce www.bkdesign.ca ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] meta tag standards
G'day Is there anything wrong with closing meta tags like so: meta name=keywords content=Web, Development, Design, Hosting, Ecommerce, IT, Consultancy, Logos, Logo, Websites /meta I was wondering if there was actually anything wrong with closing it in a separate closing tag. http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/index/elements.html Scroll down to META. Look at the third column (which is for End Tag). It says F, which means FORBIDDEN. It is also an empty element, just like IMG, INPUT, BR, HR (to mention a few obvious ones). http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/#C_2 says: Include a space before the trailing / and of empty elements, e.g. br /, hr / and img src=karen.jpg alt=Karen /. Also, use the minimized tag syntax for empty elements, e.g. br /, as the alternative syntax br/br allowed by XML gives uncertain results in many existing user agents. So yes, I'd say there is something wrong with meta ... /meta, just like there is with br/br and img .../img HTH -- Bert Doorn, Better Web Design http://www.betterwebdesign.com.au/ Fast-loading, user-friendly websites ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] valid table tags for xhtml strict
Kornel Lesinski wrote: http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/index/attributes.html indicates that the align attribute it is *NOT* deprecated for COL, COLGROUP, TBODY, TD, TFOOT, TH, THEAD and TR. Neither is valign. Oh, you're right. I'm surprised. I thought that simply ALL presentational attributes are deprecated. Why these aren't? Because people expect data cells to be centered under column headings and row headings to be left aligned more often than not? -- The message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved, it is the power of God. 1 Corinthians 1:18 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] valid table tags for xhtml strict
Because people expect data cells to be centered under column headings and row headings to be left aligned more often than not? This can be done with CSS. If the alignment is different, will it change the meaning of data? I think not. It's presentational. -- regards, Kornel Lesiski ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] valid table tags for xhtml strict
Thanks Bert, Kornel, I read the DTD by downloading the file, loading into FF and viewing the source (IE wouldn't load it :-) Very interesting. As usual, one thing leads to another and I learnt lots of stuff in there. Bert, your reference to www.zvon.org was invaluable! What a source of information! Much obliged. Bob McClelland, Cornwall (U.K.) www.gwelanmor-internet.co.uk P.S. Why is this damn text so BIG? :-) ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Help - newbie
No Problemo Jason! The code validator is odd, when you click on a HTML element in the source, it will show up in the status bar if its valid etc as well. I havn't really used the validators much, but i know they are there because before I wrote up teh little snippet, i was looking through the settings. Version 6 is nearly out as well!! I cant wait. Remember to support the guy who makes it :) It must sound like he is a friend, but i dont know him at all :) So yeah. Glad I helpd some people! Cheers! Jason Foss wrote: I haven't even heard of TSW coder before - but it looks pretty good. The built-in code validators look really handy - especially for bug-hunting. Thanks for the link! On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 20:35:31 +1100, Chris Stratford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Glad to help! It honestly is the best ever coder I have used. It is true that for Server Side Scripting - it isn't as helpful as it is for HTML. But is is really advanced in that, when you have a document - for example a PHP document, like below: ? php php php php php php php php php php php php ? html head style css css css css css css css css css css css css /style script lang=text/javascript script script script script script script script script /script html html html html html html html html html html html html The program will use PHP Syntax Highligting for the PHP side of the page... HTML for the HTML. CSS for the Styles... and Javascript for the Javascript :) Its really good!!! Love it! Bruce wrote: Chris Stratford wrote: Wow,wow,wow slow down Alan, ... snip I LOVE TSW WebCoder. Built in FTP is Excellent! Built in Project Manager - with Status reports, To Do Lists, Full Project Upload Built in Server Mapping. Preview in IE and Mozilla - only for HTML coding, or if your server mapping... HTML Tidy is built in... Built in HTML/CSS Validator - on the fly validators... Own Scripting Engine, to build your own UI or just functions... Reading the above I decided it wouldn't kill me to try this out. Normally I use an editor just to have clear code highlighted, but this one is terrific. I especially like the download/edit/upload. A great timesaver for sure, and I haven't checked out all of it yet. Thank you Chris, you have made my work easier. That's what the group excels at, helping each other :-) Bruce Prochnau www.bkdesign.ca ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Chris Stratford [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.neester.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.1 - Release Date: 19/01/2005 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Chris Stratford [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.neester.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.1 - Release Date: 19/01/2005 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Re: [WD]: Re: How Do I Learn to do Website Design?
Zoe M. Gillenwater wrote: snip Unfortunately, I can't recommend any sites or books at this time -- I don't have many beginner sites bookmarked, and my beginner books are all quite old at this point! ... One of the best sites I have seen is W3Schools, they have a lot of tutorials and working demos that you can change code on the left and see the results on the right. http://www.w3schools.com/css/default.asp Bruce Prochnau www.bkdesign.ca ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] valid table tags for xhtml strict
Kornel Lesinski wrote: Because people expect data cells to be centered under column headings and row headings to be left aligned more often than not? This can be done with CSS. That wasn't my point. The expected result is readily achievable with no CSS at all. The few cell alignments that would deviate from the norm in any given table would require no significant difference in file size from those that require CSS classes for the same purpose, and the stylesheet itself would be just so much additional baggage. If the alignment is different, will it change the meaning of data? I think not. It's presentational. Positioning (presentation) is expected in tables, much like H1 is expected to be quite large (presentation). -- The message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved, it is the power of God. 1 Corinthians 1:18 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/auth/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Help - newbie
Actually that's nothing new. Many of the better editors will do that. The reasons I switched were 1) I was using PHP and so many of the nice things like the built in HTML/CSS Validator. 2) Besides syntax highlighting, it doesn't really support PHP (as in being able to parse it on the fly) 3) Doesn't work in linux 4) Eclipse can do everything TSW Webcoder can do, everything I just mentioned (besides 1, but if I was smart enough I could just right and extention for that), and a whole lot more. Alan Trick Chris Stratford wrote: Glad to help! It honestly is the best ever coder I have used. It is true that for Server Side Scripting - it isn't as helpful as it is for HTML. But is is really advanced in that, when you have a document - for example a PHP document, like below: ? php php php php php php php php php php php php ? html head style css css css css css css css css css css css css /style script lang=text/javascript script script script script script script script script /script html html html html html html html html html html html html The program will use PHP Syntax Highligting for the PHP side of the page... HTML for the HTML. CSS for the Styles... and Javascript for the Javascript :) Its really good!!! Love it! Bruce wrote: Chris Stratford wrote: Wow,wow,wow slow down Alan, ... snip I LOVE TSW WebCoder. Built in FTP is Excellent! Built in Project Manager - with Status reports, To Do Lists, Full Project Upload Built in Server Mapping. Preview in IE and Mozilla - only for HTML coding, or if your server mapping... HTML Tidy is built in... Built in HTML/CSS Validator - on the fly validators... Own Scripting Engine, to build your own UI or just functions... Reading the above I decided it wouldn't kill me to try this out. Normally I use an editor just to have clear code highlighted, but this one is terrific. I especially like the download/edit/upload. A great timesaver for sure, and I haven't checked out all of it yet. Thank you Chris, you have made my work easier. That's what the group excels at, helping each other :-) Bruce Prochnau www.bkdesign.ca ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] valid table tags for xhtml strict
That wasn't my point. The expected result is readily achievable with no CSS at all. The few cell alignments that would deviate from the norm in any given table would require no significant difference in file size from those that require CSS classes for the same purpose, and the stylesheet itself would be just so much additional baggage. I think the same can be said about b and i... If the alignment is different, will it change the meaning of data? I think not. It's presentational. Positioning (presentation) is expected in tables, much like H1 is expected to be quite large (presentation). It is expected, but does it belong to HTML? h1 means header and is expected to look like a header, even if it is small. OTOH font size=6 is expected to be quite large... -- regards, Kornel Lesiski ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Brazilian Portal site Review. Opinions Welcomes
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Genau Junior Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 4:17 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Brazilian Portal site Review. Opinions Welcomes Hi. We are releasing next saturday, the new interface based in webstandards to biggest car seller website of brazil south region and the second of country. I would appreciate all comments and suggestions about interface, design and usability standards. The temporary address is: http://meucarronovo.locaweb.com.br ** You've got two closing body tags. Any fixed width page will fracture quickly when font sizes are increased. Its math. If you are stuck with a fixed page width and fixed fonts as design parameters, not much you can do about it. A liquid design would allow more flexibility but would also eventually break. Frankly it looks a whole lot better than the clutter you typically find on an auto dealership page in the usa. drew ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] valid table tags for xhtml strict
G'day Felix Miata wrote: That wasn't my point. The expected result is readily achievable with no CSS at all. The few cell alignments that would deviate from the norm in any given table would require no significant difference in file size from those that require CSS classes for the same purpose, and the stylesheet itself would be just so much additional baggage. Let me rewrite... The expected result is readily achievable with no *align attributes* at all Am I missing your point or are you missing Kornel's and mine? Positioning (presentation) is expected in tables, much like H1 is expected to be quite large (presentation). So by your argument we would also need a size attribute on h1? Or introduce attributes color and underline for links? After all, people expect them to be blue and underlined. Guess what. We don't need such attributes because CSS can take care of it, keeping the (x)HTML document nice and clean. I thought the whole point behind (x)HTML strict was separation of content and presentation. Keeping align attributes does not seem to fit in. Regards -- Bert Doorn, Better Web Design http://www.betterwebdesign.com.au/ Fast-loading, user-friendly websites ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] valid table tags for xhtml strict
Bert Doorn wrote: Let me rewrite... The expected result is readily achievable with no *align attributes* at all ... I thought the whole point behind (x)HTML strict was separation of content and presentation. Keeping align attributes does not seem to fit in. The question was asked why align and valign for tables was retained in XHTML strict. I merely posited. -- The message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved, it is the power of God. 1 Corinthians 1:18 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/auth/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] valid table tags for xhtml strict
Kornel Lesinski wrote: Positioning (presentation) is expected in tables, much like H1 is expected to be quite large (presentation). It is expected, but does it belong to HTML? h1 means header and is expected to look like a header, even if it is small. What makes h1 look like a header if not for a significantly larger size than everything else? What make columnar data columnar if not for alignment in and within columns? -- The message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved, it is the power of God. 1 Corinthians 1:18 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/auth/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] valid table tags for xhtml strict
I thought the whole point behind (x)HTML strict was separation of content and presentation. Keeping align attributes does not seem to fit in. I think I've found the reason why these properties are kept. There is a fundamental incompatibility of HTML columns model and CSS inheritance: http://ln.hixie.ch/?start=1070385285count=1 -- regards, Kornel Lesiski ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] meta tag standards
Hello again list!
Okay, thanks for all
the feedback! Especially Kornel Lesinski for the link to (http://dpawson.co.uk/xsl/sect2/sect21.html)
where I found (http://dpawson.co.uk/xsl/sect2/N4622.html),
and this piece of code:
xsl:template match=ImageInfo img src="">/xsl:template
I have never seen that done before with the XPath
_expression_ in curly brackets. Its not very widely documented at all!
So now, instead of using this XSL:
meta name=description
xsl:attribute
name=content
xsl:value-of
select=base/[EMAIL PROTECTED]'description'] /
/xsl:attribute
/meta
Producing this HTML:
meta name=description content=Netring Media and Technology are a/metaI can use this: meta name=description content={base/[EMAIL PROTECTED]'description']} / To produce this: meta name=description content=Netring Media and Technology are a /Also, thanks to Bert Doorn for showing me where it says that a separate closing tag is forbidden for Meta tags. Its always good when someone can point to a reference rather than just saying so.I think that I will right a short entry on my site about this. Thanks all again for the help.Regards,Phil Baines
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Subject: [WSG] meta tag standards
Hello List,
Is there anything wrong with closing meta tags like so:
meta name=keywords content=Web, Development, Design, Hosting, Ecommerce, IT, Consultancy, Logos, Logo, Websites /metaThe reason that I ask is that I am developing our new company website (http://dev.netring.co.uk/netring2004 - I started it in 2004) and I am using XML and XSLT as the backend template system. The problem is that I cant get XSLT to close my Meta tag (meta /) in the way that I wish it to be.I was wondering if there was actually anything wrong with closing it in a separate closing tag. Thanks for any advice,Phil Baines
Netring media and
technology
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telephone: 01239 711 471
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Re: [WSG] valid table tags for xhtml strict
It is expected, but does it belong to HTML? h1 means header and is expected to look like a header, even if it is small. What makes h1 look like a header if not for a significantly larger size than everything else? Alignment? Font style? Color? Background? Decoration? Letter spacing? People used to have typewriters with one size of font, and still documents have had headers. What make columnar data columnar if not for alignment in and within columns? IMHO this logically doesn't make sense. There can't be anything *within* a column that makes it a column. You need to have a column in a first place, to have something within it. -- regards, Kornel Lesiski ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Re: [WD]: Techniques for Search Engine Optimization [SEO]
Christoph Herrmann wrote: Well, many blogs are! I am just writing an article about blogs and how they can be used to create search engine friendly content. Think about it: And yes, I have successfully built sites this way and they are at the very top of Google rankings for their targeted keywords. Without redundant information, without duplicating content and without spamming. Just lots of hard work. But no, it won't apply for everyone type of site and every single site out there. And no, I don't agree 100% with all of it, but the general technique is not bad, it's not unethical and it doesn't have to be spammy or low quality. Just my $.02 :) Chris I have been over the past year doing a lot of work redesigning Movable Type to be more suitable for any site. When you know it well, it has unlimited posibilities. I also find most of my articles rank on the first page at google. Between content, sensible layout of content and the software design it ranks very high. Bruce www.bkdesign.ca ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Brazilian Portal site Review. Opinions Welcomes
Hi. A few points which you may want to consider; b is a depreciated element in XHTML, use strong instead. img src='i/imagenbranca.png' alt='' width='52' height='37' / this should be done with double quotes and there is no need for width/height in XHTML img src=i/imagenbranca.png alt= / (double quotes for nul alt tags) When using label for= it must share the same id= as the input element to which it is relating to, like this; label for=pserv_nomepalavra :/label input name=pserv_nome type=text id=pserv_nome tabindex=4 title=Serviço / When using Jump Menus mark-up the top level as selected; option value=1 selected=selectedCuritiba/option Personally I would scrap the Accesskeys as I believe (along with others) that there are too many user agent conflicts for them to be of any real benefit. Also I would add Link Rels in the head section to aid navigation as well as a Skip Navigation Link. If you include a Skip Navigation Link then scrap the Tabindex to, as you should have a logical tab order anyway. Kev* Trusz, Andrew wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Genau Junior Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 4:17 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Brazilian Portal site Review. Opinions Welcomes Hi. We are releasing next saturday, the new interface based in webstandards to biggest car seller website of brazil south region and the second of country. I would appreciate all comments and suggestions about interface, design and usability standards. The temporary address is: http://meucarronovo.locaweb.com.br ** You've got two closing body tags. Any fixed width page will fracture quickly when font sizes are increased. Its math. If you are stuck with a fixed page width and fixed fonts as design parameters, not much you can do about it. A liquid design would allow more flexibility but would also eventually break. Frankly it looks a whole lot better than the clutter you typically find on an auto dealership page in the usa. drew ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] .php extension
I have a template that I have created and am creating all my pages from that. I have named this file x.html but when I try and rename it to x.php, because I have some dynamic content on it, nothing displays. Any ideas why this happens ? Paul -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Cummiskey Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 11:12 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Help - newbie Paul wrote: I have been writing html code for awhile now and and starting to realize how inaccessible and non-web compliant my pages are. I have always hand written code in Edit Plus 2, is there a better editor I can use for web standards ( like Dreamweaver MX ? ) and where should I start for tips on accessibility and standards compliance. Thanks for any help. Paul The editor doesn't make you write bad code-- you do :) I use edit plus2 for all of my dev work, and 99% of it is valid xhtml/css. the last 1% is because i'm on an MS system at work, and we all know how sometimes, theres just no way to do it right and serve a 99.9995% IE6 audience. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] no more width and height?
Hi Ted The width/height aren't a requirement in XHTML Transitional/Strict. I don't think this means the W3C don't want us to use them any more, just that you don't have to. I've heard a few people mention the page building thing before, but I think good image compressions and less mark-up will negate this suggested side effect. The only time I've came across problems is in MacIE, and that's only when using images 1px high; which isn't usualy a problem. Kev* Ted Drake wrote: I've wondered about the width and height. What is the story about eliminating the width and height from the image tag. Why do they want us to remove it? Doesn't it help the browser build the page? It certainly would make for easier maintenance. At what point should we remove it? xhtml strict? xhtml 1.0 transitional? Is it more backwards compatible to keep it in? Should I just take a deep breath and say goodbye to the attributes? Ted Drake Web Content Editor CSA Travel Protection http://www.csatravelprotection.com -Original Message- From: Kevin Francis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 9:10 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Brazilian Portal site Review. Opinions Welcomes img src='i/imagenbranca.png' alt='' width='52' height='37' / this should be done with double quotes and there is no need for width/height in XHTML img src=i/imagenbranca.png alt= / (double quotes for nul alt tags) Kev* ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] .php extension
You have to edit your httpd.conf file to process files of the .html suffix. Look for the line: AddType application/x-httpd-php .php make it: AddType application/x-httpd-php .html .php Easy!! ~Dave Paul wrote: I have a template that I have created and am creating all my pages from that. I have named this file x.html but when I try and rename it to x.php, because I have some dynamic content on it, nothing displays. Any ideas why this happens ? Paul -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Cummiskey Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 11:12 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Help - newbie Paul wrote: I have been writing html code for awhile now and and starting to realize how inaccessible and non-web compliant my pages are. I have always hand written code in Edit Plus 2, is there a better editor I can use for web standards ( like Dreamweaver MX ? ) and where should I start for tips on accessibility and standards compliance. Thanks for any help. Paul The editor doesn't make you write bad code-- you do :) I use edit plus2 for all of my dev work, and 99% of it is valid xhtml/css. the last 1% is because i'm on an MS system at work, and we all know how sometimes, theres just no way to do it right and serve a 99.9995% IE6 audience. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] no more width and height?
I've wondered about the width and height. What is the story about eliminating the width and height from the image tag. Why do they want us to remove it? Doesn't it help the browser build the page? It certainly would make for easier maintenance. At what point should we remove it? xhtml strict? xhtml 1.0 transitional? Is it more backwards compatible to keep it in? Should I just take a deep breath and say goodbye to the attributes? Ted Drake Web Content Editor CSA Travel Protection http://www.csatravelprotection.com -Original Message- From: Kevin Francis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 9:10 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Brazilian Portal site Review. Opinions Welcomes img src='i/imagenbranca.png' alt='' width='52' height='37' / this should be done with double quotes and there is no need for width/height in XHTML img src=i/imagenbranca.png alt= / (double quotes for nul alt tags) Kev* ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] .php extension
Paul Are you viewing this php file on your development computer that is not on a web server? Check the !-- --- tags too. I am not really sure what you have going but just throwing off ideas :) -- Carmelyne Thompson Web Architect/Developer Paul wrote: I have a template that I have created and am creating all my pages from that. I have named this file x.html but when I try and rename it to x.php, because I have some dynamic content on it, nothing displays. Any ideas why this happens ? Paul -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Brian Cummiskey Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 11:12 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Help - newbie Paul wrote: I have been writing html code for awhile now and and starting to realize how inaccessible and non-web compliant my pages are. I have always hand written code in Edit Plus 2, is there a better editor I can use for web standards ( like Dreamweaver MX ? ) and where should I start for tips on accessibility and standards compliance. Thanks for any help. Paul The editor doesn't make you write bad code-- you do :) I use edit plus2 for all of my dev work, and 99% of it is valid xhtml/css. the last 1% is because i'm on an MS system at work, and we all know how sometimes, theres just no way to "do it right" and serve a 99.9995% IE6 audience. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Help - newbie
Sorry going to have to stop you there again... Alan Trick wrote: 1) I was using PHP and so many of the nice things like the built in HTML/CSS Validator. I dont get what that means...??? Maybe you mean its redundant? Maybe so, but its a feature never the less... 2) Besides syntax highlighting, it doesn't really support PHP (as in being able to parse it on the fly) Maybe you have the wrong application, because TSW Webcoder does... It has SERVER MAPPING. Which will basically use APACHE and whatever you have installed for apache will be excuted... PHP, PERL, ASP etc... Whatever your APACHE is configured for. 3) Doesn't work in linux Nore does it work on Mac I believe :) thats a good reason to switch, if you use Linux... 4) Eclipse can do everything TSW Webcoder can do, everything I just mentioned (besides 1, but if I was smart enough I could just right and extention for that), and a whole lot more. This has become battle of the editors... :) I love the Project Reports it generates (from the to do list). They look great :) In TSW Webcoder you can write up your own functions, buttons, UI's, completly reskin it all... You can do pretty much anything you like with it... Its beautiful :) Alan Trick -- Chris Stratford [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.neester.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.1 - Release Date: 19/01/2005 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] .php extension
I am on a hosted site, where would I find that file? Other .php pages display just not this one. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Elkan Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 2:20 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] .php extension You have to edit your httpd.conf file to process files of the .html suffix. Look for the line: AddType application/x-httpd-php .php make it: AddType application/x-httpd-php .html .php Easy!! ~Dave Paul wrote: I have a template that I have created and am creating all my pages from that. I have named this file x.html but when I try and rename it to x.php, because I have some dynamic content on it, nothing displays. Any ideas why this happens ? Paul -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Cummiskey Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 11:12 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Help - newbie Paul wrote: I have been writing html code for awhile now and and starting to realize how inaccessible and non-web compliant my pages are. I have always hand written code in Edit Plus 2, is there a better editor I can use for web standards ( like Dreamweaver MX ? ) and where should I start for tips on accessibility and standards compliance. Thanks for any help. Paul The editor doesn't make you write bad code-- you do :) I use edit plus2 for all of my dev work, and 99% of it is valid xhtml/css. the last 1% is because i'm on an MS system at work, and we all know how sometimes, theres just no way to do it right and serve a 99.9995% IE6 audience. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] .php extension
Alternativly, if you're running IIS, the ISAPI bindings are on the ISAPI-Extensions tab of the Dir/Virtual property sheet. You can also manage these from the Site property sheets. -- -David R Dave Elkan wrote: You have to edit your httpd.conf file to process files of the .html suffix. Look for the line: AddType application/x-httpd-php .php make it: AddType application/x-httpd-php .html .php Easy!! ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] no more width and height?
I don't think the width= or height= attributes of the object / or img / elements will be depreciated any time soon, if not at all. Despite being related to presentation, they lean more towards the content. Certain media types have no specified dimensions, what about certain SWF files? They will remain optional attributes, imo, with their use at the discretion of the author of the page or of the developer of the plugin/applet. -- -David R Kevin Francis wrote: Hi Ted The width/height aren't a requirement in XHTML Transitional/Strict. I don't think this means the W3C don't want us to use them any more, just that you don't have to. I've heard a few people mention the page building thing before, but I think good image compressions and less mark-up will negate this suggested side effect. The only time I've came across problems is in MacIE, and that's only when using images 1px high; which isn't usualy a problem. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] empty named anchors
Andy Kirkwood | MOTIVE wrote: I have come across a couple of instances of this where headings have been enclosed in an anchor, i.e. a name=anchor id=anchorh1Heading text/h1/a This causes the text colour of the heading to change when moused-over (although not a link). From an interface perspective this can be quite confusing. (A feedback cue that suggests interaction is possible when it is not). This is why a:link:hover and a:visited:hover are preferable over simple a:link :) -- -David R ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] .php extension
Paul wrote: I have a template that I have created and am creating all my pages from that. I have named this file x.html but when I try and rename it to x.php, because I have some dynamic content on it, nothing displays. Any ideas why this happens ? Paul This may sound dumb, but I switched to php a few times, if you don't delete the old html file the browser will pick that up instead. But I'm sure you thought of that :-) Bruce Prochnau www.bkdesign.ca ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] yet more valid table tags for xhtml strict
Hi Guys, Well just for completion, I've found that in addition to align and valign for td, for tables you can use: table summary=testing the attributes! width=600 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=5 border=1 rules=cols frame=hsides and it is perfectly valid XHTML strict! And I'm using the standard DTD, not a customised one: !DOCTYPE html PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd; So there you go! Border? frame? rules? All presentational at the end of the day, surely . . . Confusing, no? :-) Bob McClelland, Cornwall (U.K.) www.gwelanmor-internet.co.uk ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Areamaps
Do area maps still work in xhtml or are the gone by the way side ? The validator is not liking map name=links but if I swap id for name the map doesn't work ? Anyone ? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bruce Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 3:01 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] .php extension Paul wrote: I have a template that I have created and am creating all my pages from that. I have named this file x.html but when I try and rename it to x.php, because I have some dynamic content on it, nothing displays. Any ideas why this happens ? Paul This may sound dumb, but I switched to php a few times, if you don't delete the old html file the browser will pick that up instead. But I'm sure you thought of that :-) Bruce Prochnau www.bkdesign.ca ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Areamaps
Try map name=links id=links Tom Livingston Senior Multimedia Artist Media Logic mlinc.com On Jan 20, 2005, at 2:27 PM, Paul wrote: Do area maps still work in xhtml or are the gone by the way side ? The validator is not liking map name=links but if I swap id for name the map doesn't work ? Anyone ? ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] window.onunload Event Not Firing in IE
I've been battling with this for the best part of 4 hours and it's doing my head in. I'm using a cookie to store various accessibility user preferences such as (alternate) stylesheet, font size and font alignment in http://www.seowebsitepromotion.com/ I want to record the user's preferences in the cookie when they close a browser session (or make changes within a session and navigate elsewhere - which functions correctly). This works fine in Firefox but Win2K Pro IE6 (untested in other flavours) refuses to acknowledge the onunload event when closing the browser window. It does, however, recognise page to page movement and fires the unload event (as it should) just before the next page is loaded (and perhaps herein lies a clue, though I'm damned if I can find it). What this means is users cannot make a preference change, immediately exit IE and have it stored in the cookie. They must first navigate to another page (or site) for the event to be fired and the cookie written. Anybody have any resolutions to this (stupid) behaviour? I've Googled for a while and can find no pertinent reference. Cheers in advance. Mike Pepper Accessible Web Developer Internet SEO and Marketing Analyst [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.visidigm.com Administrator Guild of Accessible Web Designers [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.gawds.org This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or body to whom they are addressed. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by Norton AntiVirus for the presence of computer viruses. If this message is received in error, please accept our apologies. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.0 - Release Date: 17/01/05 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] no more width and height?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also, width and height attributes for images allow the image to load faster because the browser doesn't have to figure out the dimensions. News to me... the browser works out the dimensions of the image anyway. Including the width and height attributes has advantages, however... as it allows browsers to set out the dimensions of the page before the image loads, meaning that there's no more skew-wiff web-page layouts as the image loads. This shouldn't really affect us, the standards people, but it does affect those who still rely on the evil of: table TR backimage=sumtilinimage.imgtdimg src=spacer.gif///tr /TABLE ...Not that I'd ever write anything like that ;) -- -David R ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] window.onunload Event Not Firing in IE
Solved! It was the bloody Google toolbar blocking the event as it decided it was attempting to load a popup. How cretinous! Sorry for the false request. Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mike Pepper Sent: 20 January 2005 20:00 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] window.onunload Event Not Firing in IE I've been battling with this for the best part of 4 hours and it's doing my head in. I'm using a cookie to store various accessibility user preferences such as (alternate) stylesheet, font size and font alignment in http://www.seowebsitepromotion.com/ I want to record the user's preferences in the cookie when they close a browser session (or make changes within a session and navigate elsewhere - which functions correctly). This works fine in Firefox but Win2K Pro IE6 (untested in other flavours) refuses to acknowledge the onunload event when closing the browser window. It does, however, recognise page to page movement and fires the unload event (as it should) just before the next page is loaded (and perhaps herein lies a clue, though I'm damned if I can find it). What this means is users cannot make a preference change, immediately exit IE and have it stored in the cookie. They must first navigate to another page (or site) for the event to be fired and the cookie written. Anybody have any resolutions to this (stupid) behaviour? I've Googled for a while and can find no pertinent reference. Cheers in advance. Mike Pepper Accessible Web Developer Internet SEO and Marketing Analyst [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.visidigm.com Administrator Guild of Accessible Web Designers [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.gawds.org This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or body to whom they are addressed. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by Norton AntiVirus for the presence of computer viruses. If this message is received in error, please accept our apologies. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.0 - Release Date: 17/01/05 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.0 - Release Date: 17/01/05 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.0 - Release Date: 17/01/05 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] no more width and height?
Yes, but it takes longer to load if the width and height attributes are not included, which was my point. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also, width and height attributes for images allow the image to load faster because the browser doesn't have to figure out the dimensions. News to me... the browser works out the dimensions of the image anyway. Including the width and height attributes has advantages, however... as it allows browsers to set out the dimensions of the page before the image loads, meaning that there's no more skew-wiff web-page layouts as the image loads. This shouldn't really affect us, the standards people, but it does affect those who still rely on the evil of: table TR backimage=sumtilinimage.imgtdimg src=spacer.gif///tr /TABLE ...Not that I'd ever write anything like that ;) -- -David R ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Site Review - BRAZILIAN portal
Hi. We are releasing next saturday, the new interface based in webstandards to biggest car seller website of brazil south region and the second of country. I would appreciate all comments and suggestions about interface, design and usability standards. The temporary address is: http://meucarronovo.locaweb.com.br You can post, register and suggest. The portal nowadays have 15.000 visits per day and almost 350.000 visits per month being a huge example of what webstandards can be usefull to big websites. Thanks a lot of all help gave for you last months Genau Lopes Jr. www.meucarronovo.com.br ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Brazilian Portal site Review. Opinions Welcomes
tHANKS.. I gonna make all fix reported by you. Thanks a lot. Trusz, Andrew escreveu: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Genau Junior Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 4:17 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Brazilian Portal site Review. Opinions Welcomes Hi. We are releasing next saturday, the new interface based in webstandards to biggest car seller website of brazil south region and the second of country. I would appreciate all comments and suggestions about interface, design and usability standards. The temporary address is: http://meucarronovo.locaweb.com.br ** You've got two closing body tags. Any fixed width page will fracture quickly when font sizes are increased. Its math. If you are stuck with a fixed page width and fixed fonts as design parameters, not much you can do about it. A liquid design would allow more flexibility but would also eventually break. Frankly it looks a whole lot better than the clutter you typically find on an auto dealership page in the usa. drew ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] .php extension
On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 14:48:49 -0330, Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am on a hosted site, where would I find that file? Other .php pages
display just not this one.
Then you have some fatal error on your page, but server has disabled error
display.
See it using such php file:
?php
ini_set('display_errors',1);
error_reporting(E_ALL);
include('your_fatal_file.php'); // change that
?
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Re: [WSG] Help - newbie
Even Dreamweaver's code editing mode does this (context-sensitive syntax highlighting). There's been a good deal of derogatory commentary about Dreamweaver recently, but as a web IDE I think it's fantastic. Where people get into trouble is by relying solely on WYSIWYG mode. I rarely use WYSIWYG mode, but if you know what you're doing and stick to code editing mode it's relatively easy to churn out standards-compliant code in DW. On 21/1/05 1:32 AM, Alan Trick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually that's nothing new. Many of the better editors will do that. The reasons I switched were 1) I was using PHP and so many of the nice things like the built in HTML/CSS Validator. 2) Besides syntax highlighting, it doesn't really support PHP (as in being able to parse it on the fly) 3) Doesn't work in linux 4) Eclipse can do everything TSW Webcoder can do, everything I just mentioned (besides 1, but if I was smart enough I could just right and extention for that), and a whole lot more. Alan Trick -- Kevin Futter Webmaster, St. Bernard's College http://www.sbc.melb.catholic.edu.au/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] no more width and height?
If the dimensions are included in CSS then it won't make a difference. If you are using images judiciously (as opposed to gratuitously) then the time to render them will be negligible. I say if the attributes aren't deprecated and the code validates then use them. Terrence Wood. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, but it takes longer to load if the width and height attributes are not included, which was my point. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] empty named anchors
David R wrote: Andy Kirkwood | MOTIVE wrote: I have come across a couple of instances of this where headings have been enclosed in an anchor, i.e. a name=anchor id=anchorh1Heading text/h1/a This causes the text colour of the heading to change when moused-over (although not a link). From an interface perspective this can be quite confusing. (A feedback cue that suggests interaction is possible when it is not). This is why a:link:hover and a:visited:hover are preferable over simple a:link :) Maybe I've missed some standards or accessibility point, but I'm accustomed to coding as follows: h2a name= id=/aSome heading/h2 Jumping works like a charm, and no hyperlink behaviour other than that ever shows up. Afaik, there are no problems with this method whatsoever, plus you don't rely on CSS to prevent a particular GUI behaviour. Jeroen -- vizi fotografie grafisch ontwerp - http://www.vizi.nl/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
CLOSED Re: [WSG] .php extension
Hi This list is not the place to discuss set up and configuration of server side scripting languages. Please review the mail list guidelines prior to posting. Discussion of server-side scripting beyond that directly involved with Web Standards Regards James --- admin On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 17:47:13 -0500, csslist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: is the page titled index.php or default.php? if so then u need to have the host set up your site to look for either one by default and also flush the cash u should also take a look at coldfusion ;) -- Original Message -- From: Bruce [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 13:30:45 -0500 Paul wrote: I have a template that I have created and am creating all my pages from that. I have named this file x.html but when I try and rename it to x.php, because I have some dynamic content on it, nothing displays. Any ideas why this happens ? Paul This may sound dumb, but I switched to php a few times, if you don't delete the old html file the browser will pick that up instead. But I'm sure you thought of that :-) Bruce Prochnau www.bkdesign.ca ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] empty named anchors
h2a name= id=/aSome heading/h2 Or drop the anchor tag altogether. What is the browser compatibility of this: a href=#someIdOnThePageGo to Some ID/a ... h2 id=someIdOnThePageSome ID/h2 My initial tests show great support. Anyone know better? -- Ben Curtis WebSciences International http://www.websciences.org/ v: (310) 478-6648 f: (310) 235-2067 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] .php extension
csslist wrote: is the page titled index.php or default.php? if so then u need to have the host set up your site to look for either one by default and also flush the cash u should also take a look at coldfusion ;) Apache has index.html/php as the default document, IIS opts for default.htm/asp/aspx Both of these can easily be overrriden, however. ColdFusion works in a similar (and simpler) way to ASP.Net's Server-Controls, in that you sacrifice control over the exported HTML in exchange of ease-of-development. The difference in DotNet being that its easier to create your own controls -- -David R ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] empty named anchors
Ben Curtis wrote: Or drop the anchor tag altogether. What is the browser compatibility of this: a href=#someIdOnThePageGo to Some ID/a ... h2 id=someIdOnThePageSome ID/h2 My initial tests show great support. Anyone know better? Generation 4 and below browsers don't play ball with it, and IE (even 6) has some problems with it occasionally (see the section User agent issue - the IE bug on http://www.jimthatcher.com/skipnav.htm) ... so it depends on your audience whether you drop the anchors. -- Patrick H. Lauke _ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] empty named anchors
Ben Curtis wrote, On 20.01.2005 23:58: Or drop the anchor tag altogether. What is the browser compatibility of this: a href=#someIdOnThePageGo to Some ID/a ... h2 id=someIdOnThePageSome ID/h2 My initial tests show great support. Anyone know better? I've been told, that some Screen-Readers don't support jumping to elements with id only. Since inner site links are especially useful for SR-Users, it seems like a good idea to keep the name-attribute. Susanne -- http://sujag.de - Webentwicklung und -beratung 10119 Berlin ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] accessibility statements
What's in a good accessibility statement? Where are the best accessibility statements you've come across on the web? I'm currently writing one for the site I work on, to coincide with a redesign that's nearing completion. I haven't found many good examples of statements on other corporate sites. Some background to my site: It won't validate due to technical constraints (unreliable CMS, legacy code, third-party systems), but it's been built 'in the spirit' of web standards (i.e semantic markup, CSS for most of the layout, a few accessibility features etc). The sections I have so far in my statement: - Access keys - what are they, how to use them. - Navigation - unordered lists which degrade well, skip to content link, prominent search box, comprehensive sitemap - Standard compliance - built to HTML4.01 but will not validate, semantic markup used, WCAG compliance - Technical requirements - javascript used but degrades without, screen rez recomended for visual design but degrades - A list of the devices that the site has been tested for accessibility on. Whatdya reckon? Cheers, Cade ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Help - newbie text editors
Hi all, First of all, It¹s always you writing the code, not the program ;-) Anyway on the Macintosh these editors rock: BBEdit: see http://www.barebones.com/index.shtml Not cheap, but worth every penny IMHO, Textwrangler is now a free download as an alternative. BB does XHTML, PHP, CSS etc.. built in FTP, HTML Tidy, FTP etc... You name it, it's got it. If money is tight these are also very good: skedit: http://www.skti.org/skEdit.php webdesign: http://www.ragesw.com/webdesign.php Subethaedit: http://www.codingmonkeys.de/subethaedit/ seedit: http://www.xhtmlsoft.com/ Absolutely free and very popular in some circles Jedit: http://www.jedit.org/ For CSS there's really only one app: Stylemaster: http://www.westciv.com/style_master/ Currently at version 3.5, version 4 is just around the corner and from what I've seen from the beta is going to be a major upgrade to what is already an excellent piece of software. (Also available in Windows flavour ;-) ) ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] accessibility statements
I think accesskeys are a case of: those who like them will find them, those who don't can (and will) ignore them. I use my user stylesheet to reveal accesskeys and tabindexes. Terrence Wood. The Bo$$ wrote: CSS used, still accessible without. I really don't think accesskeys are all that good for accessiblity though. See http://www.mezzoblue.com/archives/2005/01/04/im_still_off/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] yet more valid table tags for xhtml strict
G'day table summary=testing the attributes! width=600 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=5 border=1 rules=cols frame=hsides and it is perfectly valid XHTML strict! ... So there you go! Border? frame? rules? All presentational at the end of the day, surely . . . It would appear that these attributes (which are presentational to me as well) will no longer be available in XHTML2: http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml2/ http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml2/attributes.html I don't see a need for most of these attributes any more, since the same can be achieved with CSS and they don't appear to have semantic meaning. Perhaps they were left in there because table rendering is a nightmare, with inconsistent browser support, especially for the col element, which is an oddity. Still. Why use td align=right when td class=price can be used? Or td align=center instead of td class=qty? Border, frame, rules, cellpadding and the like can also be done with CSS (better in Firefox and Opera than in MSIE, because MSIE does not support the CSS border-spacing). The bottom line for me is... If it can be done with CSS, use CSS. If it can't be done reliably and the lack of browser support is a critical issue, use (still valid) Strict attributes in minimal quantities. Regards -- Bert Doorn, Better Web Design http://www.betterwebdesign.com.au/ Fast-loading, user-friendly websites ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] accessibility statements
Michigan State University Web Accessibility Statement http://www.msu.edu/accessibility/index.html MSU Web Accessibility Statement of Encouragement http://www.msu.edu/webaccess/encourage.html On Jan 20, 2005, at 6:28 PM, Cade Whitbourn wrote: What's in a good accessibility statement? Where are the best accessibility statements you've come across on the web? I'm currently writing one for the site I work on, to coincide with a redesign that's nearing completion. I haven't found many good examples of statements on other corporate sites. Some background to my site: It won't validate due to technical constraints (unreliable CMS, legacy code, third-party systems), but it's been built 'in the spirit' of web standards (i.e semantic markup, CSS for most of the layout, a few accessibility features etc). The sections I have so far in my statement: - Access keys - what are they, how to use them. - Navigation - unordered lists which degrade well, skip to content link, prominent search box, comprehensive sitemap - Standard compliance - built to HTML4.01 but will not validate, semantic markup used, WCAG compliance - Technical requirements - javascript used but degrades without, screen rez recomended for visual design but degrades - A list of the devices that the site has been tested for accessibility on. Whatdya reckon? Cheers, Cade ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** Justin Thorp Principal; Web Developer Accessibility Specialist MyCapitalWeb.com LLC 3016 S. Deerfield Lansing, MI 48911 [EMAIL PROTECTED] my blog - http://thinkthentype.blogspot.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Convert uppercase file names to lower case
Helen there's no need to cringe if you use Dreamweaver. It's an extremely professional development tool. People produce rubbish from it, but other people produce sites that are quite sublime. I do believe there's a setting in DreamweaverMX that allows you to convert all links to lower case. There's a preferences setting that you can specify all lower case tags, all lower case attributes (and also all upper case if you prefer) and if you use the convert to XHTML feature (File Convert to XHTML) it will convert the page to valid XHTML as far as it's able. It will give you warnings for anyhing it's unable to do (e.g. add alt tags to images). Amongst the things in this process is convert all tags to lower case. First of all, convert your page (or pages) to XHTML then select Commands Clean up xhtml and it'll remove deprecated tags, remove any that you want removed, tidy up improperly nested tags, close off unclosed tags such as br, and change all your tags (including href) to lower case. I havent tested it, but I dont think it changes the filename you are 'hreffing' to lower case, but if the page is inside your site, changing its name should have Dreamweaver changing every page that links to it. Hope this helps. Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia AFP Webworks == ColdFusion, ASP, ASP.NET, PHP, PERL hosting from $15/month. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 12:34 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] Convert uppercase file names to lower case Lovely, thanks - I will definitely keep this handy. Now is there any way of making sure all the href urls in the site are in lower case too? I use DW (please don't cringe) and normally when you make a change it updates all the links. Some of the links are mixed case that is why I need to do this as well. Thanks Helen *** Helen Rysavy Web Designer, Teaching Learning Development Charles Darwin University, Northern Territory 0909 Tel: 8946 7779 Mobile: 0403 290 842 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] www.cdu.edu.au CRICOS Provider No: 00300K ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Review of website please
Hi CSS gurus, :) We've just launched our new website, having had a quick CSS learning curve over the last few months, and would love opinions/feedback/criticism of it. Everything is game - let me know it all, no matter how bad. :) Please have a gander at http://www.bam.com.au On another topic, the WA web industry association has just released its 'What to ask your prospective web designer/developer' document. I'm hoping some of you may have a use for it to hand to prospective clients, or indeed have some feedback on that as well. It's URL is http://www.port80.asn.au/docs/Port80_whattoask.pdf Cheers thanks in advance, Miles. --- Miles Burke Bam Creative Pty Ltd [EMAIL PROTECTED] Suite 6 / 1 Vincent St http://www.bam.com.au Mt Lawley WA 6050 Tel (08) 9371 1320ACN 102 492 955 Fax (08) 9272 6625ABN 51 102 492 955 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] site review
I seek advice on ways to bette rbuild this if anyone can provide suggestions I would appreciate it!!! http://www.constructweb.com/css/russ/ 1) if anyone has any betters way to approach this almost tableless design I would love to hear it 2) the blue background is Just there to see the problem -- why is the height so big ??? I cant figure it out--- 3) the 6 reasons section has a box model problem - i believe which I think I can fix - (look at it in firefox) 4) notice I relatively positioned the boxes - in a boxcontent div - yet they are different in IE and firefox--- there's a hack to correct this right? Thanks Neal ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Review of website please
The transitions were kinda dizzying but otherwise it looks very nice. :) Nine thumbs up! On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 20:47:40 -0800, Chris Kennon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, The header, if it were a transition between screens it would be engaging. As a header element it loses it punch sitting at the top of the page, so when it's done loading, the anticipation is gone, leaving a so what feeling. Following is an successful example, perhaps inspiration for a remix. http://www.sideshowcreative.com/ On Thursday, January 20, 2005, at 08:32 PM, Miles Burke wrote: Hi CSS gurus, :) We've just launched our new website, having had a quick CSS learning curve over the last few months, and would love opinions/feedback/criticism of it. Everything is game - let me know it all, no matter how bad. :) Please have a gander at http://www.bam.com.au On another topic, the WA web industry association has just released its 'What to ask your prospective web designer/developer' document. I'm hoping some of you may have a use for it to hand to prospective clients, or indeed have some feedback on that as well. It's URL is http://www.port80.asn.au/docs/Port80_whattoask.pdf Cheers thanks in advance, Miles. --- Miles Burke Bam Creative Pty Ltd [EMAIL PROTECTED] Suite 6 / 1 Vincent St http://www.bam.com.au Mt Lawley WA 6050 Tel (08) 9371 1320ACN 102 492 955 Fax (08) 9272 6625ABN 51 102 492 955 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** The true measure of ignorance is thinking intelligence is the solution to everything. -ck Chris Kennon Principal ckimedia (www.ckimedia.com) e-mail: ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) blog: (http://thebardwire.blogspot.com/) ph: (619)429-3258 fax: (619)429-3258 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Review of website please
The bomb animation gets me so distracted. I felt like a seizure was
being summoned. :) It was running in a circular pattern so there was
the hypnotic feel for it too.
The CSS does not validate:
URI : http://www.bam.com.au/common/bamcreative.css
Line: 83 Context : #navlist a:hover a:active
Parse Error - active;
Line: 89 Context : #navlist a:hover a:active
Parse error - Unrecognized : { color: #62BD19;
background-color: transparent;
}
- Carmelyne Thompson
The Bo$$ wrote:
The transitions were kinda dizzying but otherwise it looks very nice.
:) Nine thumbs up!
On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 20:47:40 -0800, Chris Kennon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
The header, if it were a transition between screens it would be
engaging. As a header element it loses it punch sitting at the top of
the page, so when it's done loading, the anticipation is gone, leaving
a so what feeling. Following is an successful example, perhaps
inspiration for a remix.
http://www.sideshowcreative.com/
On Thursday, January 20, 2005, at 08:32 PM, Miles Burke wrote:
Hi CSS gurus, :)
We've just launched our new website, having had a quick CSS learning
curve over the last few months, and would love
opinions/feedback/criticism of it. Everything is game - let me know it
all, no matter how bad. :)
Please have a gander at http://www.bam.com.au
On another topic, the WA web industry association has just released
its 'What to ask your prospective web designer/developer' document.
I'm hoping some of you may have a use for it to hand to prospective
clients, or indeed have some feedback on that as well.
It's URL is http://www.port80.asn.au/docs/Port80_whattoask.pdf
Cheers thanks in advance,
Miles.
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Re: [WSG] Review of website please
Miles Burke wrote: We've just launched our new website, having had a quick CSS learning curve over the last few months, and would love opinions/feedback/criticism of it. Everything is game - let me know it all, no matter how bad. :) Please have a gander at http://www.bam.com.au The page looked OK once the gif-animation was stopped - it is too much of a good thing because of the contrast, and draw my attention from the rest of the page. Opera only loaded 19% of the header-thing, and that's fine on a slow connection. My IE6 doesn't load anything in my setting BTW, so it looked kind of empty up there. FF loaded all, but it took forever for such a short sequence. I hardly managed to see it run. - Something that makes better use of bandwidth would work better, I think. Pixel-defined text in IE/win is not my favorite, and overriding it didn't help too much since the layout is so easily broken. Rethinking that, and testing some more, would help a lot. Something isn't fitting in the news-container, so the black border on the right side doesn't look quite right when open. Most of those small images would be better left with an empty alt-attribute. We don't need the same message twice. Take the page to http://www.delorie.com/web/lynxview.html , and you'll see what I mean. You have forgotten to set padding: 0; on body. Opera use that. Not that it matter much on such a small page. The page looks nice when I blow it up to 150% in Opera - and everything is standing still. That should make it fit well on a 800x600 screen, which I think it is made for. regards Georg ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
