[WSG] Body text disappears in IE when window is maximised
Hi all, As promised I've been working away again creating a hack-free version of the Holy Grail 3-col layout. I have had some measure of success. The results can be viewd here for anyone who's interested. http://d81314.i50.quadrahosting.com.au/layout_test.htm I now ask the list's help in resolving a very odd and new bug to me. It only seems to occur in IE and happens when the window is maximised using the browser window's icon. I'd be very interested in knwoing if anyone else sees this or has a solution. Thanks in advance, Paul ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Body text disappears in IE when window is maximised
Hi Paul, You're talking about the content in the middle column getting chopped off about half way down? Try changing div class=cleanernbsp;/div to br class=cleaner / On 8/18/05, Webmaster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I now ask the list's help in resolving a very odd and new bug to me. It only seems to occur in IE and happens when the window is maximised using the browser window's icon. I'd be very interested in knwoing if anyone else sees this or has a solution. -- Lindsay Evans http://lindsayevans.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Body text disappears in IE when window is maximised
Webmaster wrote:
As promised I've been working away again creating a hack-free version of the
Holy Grail 3-col layout. ...
http://d81314.i50.quadrahosting.com.au/layout_test.htm
I now ask the list's help in resolving a very odd and new bug to me. It only
seems to occur in IE and happens when the window is maximised using the
browser window's icon.
I'd be very interested in knwoing if anyone else sees this or has a
solution.
It's a redraw/rearrange problem in IE/Win and can be solved by giving
layout to the ancestor of the incomplete rendered box, e.g. #main2. If
you still want a explicit hack-free version, you might want to use this
implicit hack:
#main2 {width: 100%;}
Ingo
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[WSG] IE Madness
On this page: http://www.fifeweb.org/wp/events/evnt_ga_res_2005_02.html I have a link at the bottom of the page (Back To Page One) which should send a visitor to: http://www.fifeweb.org/wp/events/evnt_ga_res_2005_01.html#top and it does in all the browsers I have tried except IE Windows which gives the following error message: Internet Explorer cannot open the internet site http:// www.fifeweb.org/wp/events/evnt_ga_res_2005_01.html. Operation aborted. It seems as if IE is striping off the #top fragment. Anyone know how to fix this? Thanks, Bob Schwartz ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] html design - best practices
On Wed, 17 Aug 2005 13:09:59 -0700, Ben Curtis wrote: Both of your examples make the same amount of sense, semantically. Bold text does not mean anything different than non-bold text, and therefore boldness has no semantic meaning. In theory, I agree with you. But in practice - the B tag has a history, it has been used to imply boldness of the marked-up text. I think using it the fashion you are describing introduces maintenance issues. I think the developer who approaches this later will be confused. 'Why did they use a B tag here? Are they implying boldness? It isn't semantic. What were they trying to achieve?' For this reason alone I would use a span tag instead of a b in these circumstances. IMHO Lea -- Lea de Groot Elysian Systems - http://elysiansystems.com/ Brisbane, Australia ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
THREAD CLOSED Re: [WSG] Need recomendations for CMS system
On Thu, 18 Aug 2005 12:01:37 +0800, Bert Doorn wrote: I thought this thread was CLOSED? Indeed it is, Bert. People, I repeat, due to popular demand we have an entire mailing list for the discussion of CMS Systems and Web Standards. Get over there and use it if thats what you want to talk about! This isn't the place :) (Want to know how? Click the link in the footer, log in and you'll see there are multiple lists you can be subscribed to) warmly, Lea -- Lea de Groot Elysian Systems - http://elysiansystems.com/ Brisbane, Australia ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Two columns, one fluid one fixed?
Title: Two columns, one fluid one fixed?
Hey Guys
Got a simple one, but can't seem to get my head round it
I'm after a 2 column setup, one fixed width and the other fluid. I can get the following code to work in IE 5, 5.5 and 6, but not in Safari, Mac IE 5.2 and Firefox...
!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN
html
head
titleUntitled/title
style
#container{
text-align: left;
margin: 0;
width: 100%;
}
#centrecontent {
float: left;
border: 1px solid red;
}
#right {
width:182px;
float:right;
border: 1px solid blue;
}
/style
/head
body
div id=container
div id=right
Eant et fugiant a te inquieti iniqui. et tu vides eos et distinguis umbras, et ecce pulchra sunt cum eis omnia, et ipsi turpes sunt. et quid nocuerunt tibi? aut in quo imperium tuum dehonestaverunt, a caelis usque in novissima iustum et integrum? quo enim fugerunt, cum fugerent a facie tua? aut ubi tu non invenis eos? sed fugerunt, ut non viderent te videntem se, atque excaecati in te offenderent
/div
div id=centrecontent
Eant et fugiant a te inquieti iniqui. et tu vides eos et distinguis umbras, et ecce pulchra sunt cum eis omnia, et ipsi turpes sunt. et quid nocuerunt tibi? aut in quo imperium tuum dehonestaverunt, a caelis usque in novissima iustum et integrum? quo enim fugerunt, cum fugerent a facie tua? aut ubi tu non invenis eos? sed fugerunt, ut non viderent te videntem se, atque excaecati in te offenderent
/div
/div
/body
/html
I'm pretty sure it's something simple, but it's the end of the day and I can't spot it! Any ideas? I need to keep the the :float: left; in the #centrecontent
Thanks in advance...
Regards
Jack Bennie
Web Developer - Web Services
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[WSG] Two columns, one fluid one fixed?
Title: Two columns, one fluid one fixed?
I'm
not so good with floats, but this might be a different
approach:
#container{ text-align: left; margin: 0;
margin-right:185px;} #centrecontent { border: 1px solid
red;} #right { width:182px;
position:absolute;right:5px;border: 1px solid blue;
}
-Original Message-From: Bennie, Jack
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: 18 August 2005
09:55To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.orgSubject: [WSG] Two
columns, one fluid one fixed?
Hey Guys Got
a simple one, but can't seem to get my head round it I'm after a 2 column setup, one fixed width and the other
fluid. I can get the following code to work in IE 5, 5.5 and 6, but not in
Safari, Mac IE 5.2 and Firefox...
!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01
Transitional//EN" html
head titleUntitled/title style #container{
text-align: left; margin: 0; width: 100%;
} #centrecontent { float:
left; border: 1px solid red;
} #right
{ width:182px; float:right; border:
1px solid blue; } /style /head body
div id="container" div id="right" Eant et fugiant a te inquieti iniqui. et tu vides eos et distinguis
umbras, et ecce pulchra sunt cum eis omnia, et ipsi turpes sunt. et quid
nocuerunt tibi? aut in quo imperium tuum dehonestaverunt, a caelis usque in
novissima iustum et integrum? quo enim fugerunt, cum fugerent a facie tua? aut
ubi tu non invenis eos? sed fugerunt, ut non viderent te videntem se, atque
excaecati in te offenderent
/div div id="centrecontent" Eant et fugiant a te inquieti iniqui. et tu vides eos et distinguis
umbras, et ecce pulchra sunt cum eis omnia, et ipsi turpes sunt. et quid
nocuerunt tibi? aut in quo imperium tuum dehonestaverunt, a caelis usque in
novissima iustum et integrum? quo enim fugerunt, cum fugerent a facie tua? aut
ubi tu non invenis eos? sed fugerunt, ut non viderent te videntem se, atque
excaecati in te offenderent
/div /div /body
/html
I'm pretty sure it's something simple, but it's
the end of the day and I can't spot it! Any ideas? I need to keep the the
:float: left;" in the "#centrecontent"
Thanks in advance...
Regards Jack Bennie Web Developer - Web Services
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Re: [WSG] Two columns, one fluid one fixed?
On 8/18/05, Bennie, Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Got a simple one, but can't seem to get my head round it
I'm after a 2 column setup, one fixed width and the other fluid.
I'm pretty sure it's something simple, but it's the end of the day and I
can't spot it! Any ideas? I need to keep the the :float: left; in the
#centrecontent
The float:left is your problem. FF, Saf and IE/mac are correct to
freak out as floated elements *must* have a defined width except in
the case of img /'s and other objects that have their own width
determined by the media being loaded...There's a much better term for
it in the spec, but alas I'm not in the mood for spec. trawling at the
moment ;)
If that's really the main structure of the page, you don't need the
float left; in fact, you don't need the container div either:
#centrecontent {
border: 1px solid red;
margin-right:184px;
}
#right {
width:182px;
float:right;
border: 1px solid blue;
}
But you state that the float:left; needs to remain so I'm assuming
there's more to the page that you haven't shared. If you de-brand the
page in question (I'm assuming it's for your employer) and host it
somewhere you'll have a far better chance of more in-depth help.
cheers,
Andrew.
http://leftjustified.net/
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Re: [WSG] Two columns, one fluid one fixed?
Sorry for the double post, merely a quick clarification :) There's a much better term for it in the spec, but alas I'm not in the mood for spec. trawling at the moment The proper explaination is that floated elements without an intrinsic width[1] must have one declared in CSS. For a detailed run down on how margin's padding and dimensions are/should be calculated in CSS2.1, check here: http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/visudet.html#Computing_widths_and_margins ..and the CSS 2 Recommendation version: http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2/visudet.html#Computing_widths_and_margins [1] Intrinsic dimensions The width and height as defined by the element itself, not imposed by the surroundings. In CSS2 it is assumed that all replaced elements -- and only replaced elements -- come with intrinsic dimensions. [ soure: http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2/conform.html#intrinsic ] hope that helped, Andrew. - http://leftjustified.net/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Two columns, one fluid one fixed?
yup, the only way to have something floated and still have it be fluid is to specify a % width. but then the other column can't be fixed width. so. can't be done. (i'll gladly welcome being corrected) why do you have to keep the float on there?
Re: [WSG] IE Madness
Works fine for me in IE6/WinXP/SP2. Normally, I'd recommend you uninstall and reinstall your browser... but wait... it's IE, and I doubt you want to reformat. *evil grin*
[WSG] best practice for layering menus
I have been hesitent to ask this question as I am
not sure that the optimal solution is to use css.
I wish to have a top horizontal menu which alternates
the selection of left navigation menus.
So if my top menu links are spanish, english and danish
I want to display the contents: one two three on the left side
in their respective languages. This example is purely for
demonstration purposes and not meant as an exercise in internationalization.
Personally, I was hoping to use a pure css solution and found some links
that made me think I was on the right track:
I think this technique shows how with CSS's z-index: property one can
control what is layered on top of what regardless of the order of the
code. The amount of java script would be minimal it seems but I am not
sure if it works well across all browsers.
http://codepunk.hardwar.org.uk/acss07.htm
These are other good tips:
when to use visibility property or when to use display/block
http://www.devx.com/tips/Tip/13638
Some close solutions used javascript but did not work well across
different browsers:
http://www.chunkysoup.net/basic/js3step/js_3step.4.html
http://codepunk.hardwar.org.uk/bjs21.htm
and I am guessing that I need something like:
http://www.quirksmode.org/js/layerwrite.html
WHAT I REALLY WANT TO KNOW IS :-)
What do the experts say? I want it to work at least in FF1.0 and IE 6.0
so browser compatibility is an issue but I want to keep the js to a
minimal.
Concretely, what changes do I need to make in my code if I want menu1 to
display different languages when clicking on the appropriate link?
!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN
html
head
meta name=FreeFind content=followScript
titlemy first java script/title
style type=text/css
#menu1{
display: none;
width: 200px;
position: absolute;
top: 10em;
left: 10;
background-color: #EEFFCC;
border: 1px solid black;
}
/style
script type=text/javascript
function message()
{
alert(This alert box was called with the onload event)
}
/script
/head
body onload=message()
a href=#
onclick=document.getElementById('menu1').style.display='block'show
/abr/
a href=#
onclick=document.getElementById('menu1').style.display='none'hide
/abr/
a href=#
onclick=document.getElementById('menu1').style.display='block'english
/abr/
a href=#
onclick=document.getElementById('menu1').style.display='none'danish
/abr/
a href=#
onclick=document.getElementById('menu1').style.display='block'spanish
/abr/
a href=#
onclick=document.getElementById('menu1').style.display='none'empty/abr/
div id=menu1
ul id=navlist
li id=activea href=# id=currentItem one/a/li
lia href=#Item two/a/li
lia href=#Item three/a/li
/ul
ul id=navlist
li id=activea href=# id=currentItem uno/a/li
lia href=#Item dos/a/li
lia href=#Item tres/a/li
/ul
ul id=navlist
li id=activea href=# id=currentItem en/a/li
lia href=#Item to/a/li
lia href=#Item tre/a/li
/ul
/div
/body
/html
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Re: [WSG] Request for comments on a website (printing)
Thank you all for your posative comments. My client has a problem with the print output of this page. He would ideally like it to print exactly as it does on the screen. He is rather adamant about this. What are your thoughts on this? Is there a way to satisfy this clients demands? i.e. force the browser to print background elements? If not, what would you advise a client in this situation? The url again: http://www.townguidebooks.bkecreative.co.uk/ Stephen Francis Johnson wrote: Hi all, I have been a lurker on this list for a short while. I have a request regarding a web site that I have been working on. The site can be found at: http://www.townguidebooks.bkecreative.co.uk/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Firefox Greyscale Extension
Hallo zusammen! Ich suche nach einer Erweiterung für Firefox , die es ermöglicht eine Webseite in Graustufen anzeigen zu lassen. Im Bezug auf Barrierefreiheit ist die Darstellung der Farben in Grautönen mit ausreichendem Kontrast eine Prio 1. Allerdings ist es etwas umständlich von dem Bildschirm ständig Screenshots zu machen und diese in Grautöne umzuwandeln. Wenn es eine einfache Firefox-Plugin Lösung geben würde, wär ich sehr erfreut. Google hat mir leider nicht weitergeholfen. Mit freundlichen Grüßen, Marcel Pociot Marcel Pociot | e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Xbyte GmbH | 40699 erkrath | trills 23 http://www.xbyte.de | tel.: 02104-138 49 30 | fax: 02104-138 49 34
Re: [WSG] Safari 1.3 vs Safari 2 differences
Gamma correction, min-/mix-width/height, this is the most visible difference between 1.2.4 (maybe 1.3) and 2.0, but since everyone I know has moved to Tiger, I don't assume this is a problem... -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Safari 1.3 vs Safari 2 differences
Hi I'm not sure, but given Safari and Konquerer run off the same base (khtml) you could try searching the bugz database at opendarwin.org and kde.org http://bugzilla.opendarwin.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=specificorder=relevance+descbug_status=__all__product=WebKitcontent= http://bugs.kde.org/simple_search.cgi?id=khtml You may find some bugs there that match what you are seeing. In fact what differences are you seeing and could it be put down to Safari 2 doing the right thing but your code not doing the right thing? It happens, sometimes.. HTH James ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Request for comments on a website (printing)
On Thu, 2005-08-18 at 13:16 +0100, Stephen Francis Johnson wrote: Thank you all for your posative comments. My client has a problem with the print output of this page. He would ideally like it to print exactly as it does on the screen. He is rather adamant about this. What are your thoughts on this? Is there a way to satisfy this clients demands? i.e. force the browser to print background elements? If not, what would you advise a client in this situation? The url again: http://www.townguidebooks.bkecreative.co.uk/ It's possible, but printing of background images is a user-side setting in most browsers (except for a bug of Opera 7's, that automatically used the screen style even when a different print background style was explicitly set, if I recall correctly?), and hence it is impossible for you to ensure this behaviour: I believe Internet Explorer defaults to not printing background images. My advice would be to try and show your client PagesThatSuck(tm) when printed (as a result of table-based layouts, or whatever else) -- specifically, text cutting off at page margins, illegibility, etc. Ultimately, however, it's the client's site: we can go so far with education, but if they aren't willing to listen then it becomes their own fault. Worst case scenario would be adding a printable version link to pages and... *shudders* Hi. Seriously, though: is it an issue of branding, or a print-world mindset? Surely if it's a branding thing it should be possible to reach a compromise -- print style sheet shouldn't translate as devoid of all style, one would hope. Kind Regards, Joshua Street base10solutions Website: http://www.base10solutions.com.au/ Phone: (02) 9898-0060 Fax: (02) 8572-6021 Mobile: 0425 808 469 Multimedia Development Agency E-mails and any attachments sent from base10solutions are to be regarded as confidential. Please do not distribute or publish any of the contents of this e-mail without the sender’s consent. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by replying to the e-mail, and then delete the message without making copies or using it in any way. Although base10solutions takes precautions to ensure that e-mail sent from our accounts are free of viruses, we encourage recipients to undertake their own virus scan on each e-mail before opening, as base10solutions accepts no responsibility for loss or damage caused by the contents of this e-mail. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Safari 1.3 vs Safari 2 differences
On 18 Aug 2005, at 9:35 pm, Jan Brasna wrote: Gamma correction, min-/mix-width/height, this is the most visible difference between 1.2.4 (maybe 1.3) and 2.0, but since everyone I know has moved to Tiger, I don't assume this is a problem... Safari 1.3 and 2.0 are supposed to be identical. There could be some display bugs due to a particular OS configuration (Panther vs Tiger), difference in font rendering, ... It shouldn't cause major layout problems though. PS - Jan, Safari v312 (1.3, Panther) beats Safari v412 (2.0, Tiger) by 35% in *my* stats. Philippe --- Philippe Wittenbergh http://emps.l-c-n.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Two columns, one fluid one fixed?
Bennie, Jack wrote: Two columns, one fluid one fixed? Hey Guys Got a simple one, but can't seem to get my head round it I'm after a 2 column setup, one fixed width and the other fluid. I can get the following code to work in IE 5, 5.5 and 6, but not in Safari, Mac IE 5.2 and Firefox... Regards *Jack Bennie* The two column layout on this page http://www.alistapart.com/articles/negativemargins/ may meet your needs and works well cross-browser. Regards, David Laakso. -- David Laakso http://www.dlaakso.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Firefox Greyscale Extension
Quoting Marcel Pociot [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hallo zusammen! Ich suche nach einer Erweiterung für Firefox , die es ermöglicht eine Webseite in Graustufen anzeigen zu lassen. Im Bezug auf Barrierefreiheit ist die Darstellung der Farben in Grautönen mit ausreichendem Kontrast eine Prio 1. Allerdings ist es etwas umständlich von dem Bildschirm ständig Screenshots zu machen und diese in Grautöne umzuwandeln. Wenn es eine einfache Firefox-Plugin Lösung geben würde, wär ich sehr erfreut. Google hat mir leider nicht weitergeholfen. Mit freundlichen Grüßen, Marcel Pociot Marcel Pociot | e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] .. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Xbyte GmbH | 40699 erkrath | trills 23 http://www.xbyte.de | tel.: 02104-138 49 30 | fax: 02104-138 49 34 It's very interesting how this translates: --- Hello together! I look for for an extension for Firefox, it make possible a web page in gray tones indicate to let. In the reference to barrier liberty the representation of the colors is in grey tones with sufficient contrast a Prio 1. However it is to be constantly made somewhat pedantically from the screen Screenshots and converted these into grey tones. If it would give a simple Firefox Plugin to solution, more waer I much pleases. Google did not help me unfortunately. Yours sincerely, Marcel Pociot --- Marcel, if I understand correctly, you are looking for a Firefox extension that will remove all colors from a web page to render it in black and white. I do not believe there is such an extension. You may be able to use the Web Developer toolbar [1] to edit the CSS of a webpage and change the colors manually, but that will not be easy to do either compared to your current process. [1] http://chrispederick.com/work/firefox/webdeveloper/ hope that helps, Zulema · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · Zulema Ortiz web designer folio: http://zoblue.com blog: http://blog.zoblue.com browser: http://getfirefox.com · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Firefox Greyscale Extension
*rolls eyes and mumbles something about posting to an english language list in german...* Translation: # Hello everybody! I'm looking for an extension for Firefox which makes it possible to view a webpage in greyscale. With regards to accessibility, the representation of colours in greyscale with sufficient contrast is a priority 1. However it's a bit awkward to continually take screenshots and to change those into grescale. If there wasa simple Firefox plugin solution, I'd be very happy. Best regards, Marcel Pociot # P __Patrick H. LaukeWebmaster / University of Salfordhttp://www.salford.ac.uk__Web Standards Project (WaSP) Accessibility Task Forcehttp://webstandards.org/__ -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Marcel PociotSent: 18 August 2005 13:34To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.orgSubject: [WSG] Firefox Greyscale Extension Hallo zusammen! Ich suche nach einer Erweiterung für Firefox , die es ermöglicht eine Webseite in Graustufen anzeigen zu lassen. Im Bezug auf Barrierefreiheit ist die Darstellung der Farben in Grautönen mit ausreichendem Kontrast eine Prio 1. Allerdings ist es etwas umständlich von dem Bildschirm ständig Screenshots zu machen und diese in Grautöne umzuwandeln. Wenn es eine einfache Firefox-Plugin Lösung geben würde, wär ich sehr erfreut. Google hat mir leider nicht weitergeholfen. Mit freundlichen Grüßen, Marcel Pociot Marcel Pociot | e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Xbyte GmbH | 40699 erkrath | trills 23 http://www.xbyte.de | tel.: 02104-138 49 30 | fax: 02104-138 49 34
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Hey sorry for not translating it into english :) Well I want to know if there is a firefox extension that makes it possible to look at a webpage in greyscale. The point is: To have a webpage barrier-free the contrast of the webpage has to be good enough to recognize every image, link, etc. even if the monitor would only display it in greyscale. It would be a lot of work to check for this feature by making screenshots of the webpage and editing this screenshot in Photoshop. So unfortunately editing the css would not sovle this problem. Or maybe a little tool that could switch Windows to greyscale (like when Windows XP is shutting down) - Just a simple and fast solution for this :) But FF Extension would be the best of course ;) Marcel Marcel Pociot | e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] .. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Xbyte GmbH | 40699 erkrath | trills 23 http://www.xbyte.de | tel.: 02104-138 49 30 | fax: 02104-138 49 34 -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Zulema [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Donnerstag, 18. August 2005 16:44 An: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Cc: Marcel Pociot Betreff: [SPAM?]: Re: [WSG] Firefox Greyscale Extension Quoting Marcel Pociot [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hallo zusammen! Ich suche nach einer Erweiterung für Firefox , die es ermöglicht eine Webseite in Graustufen anzeigen zu lassen. Im Bezug auf Barrierefreiheit ist die Darstellung der Farben in Grautönen mit ausreichendem Kontrast eine Prio 1. Allerdings ist es etwas umständlich von dem Bildschirm ständig Screenshots zu machen und diese in Grautöne umzuwandeln. Wenn es eine einfache Firefox-Plugin Lösung geben würde, wär ich sehr erfreut. Google hat mir leider nicht weitergeholfen. Mit freundlichen Grüßen, Marcel Pociot Marcel Pociot | e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] .. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Xbyte GmbH | 40699 erkrath | trills 23 http://www.xbyte.de | tel.: 02104-138 49 30 | fax: 02104-138 49 34 It's very interesting how this translates: --- Hello together! I look for for an extension for Firefox, it make possible a web page in gray tones indicate to let. In the reference to barrier liberty the representation of the colors is in grey tones with sufficient contrast a Prio 1. However it is to be constantly made somewhat pedantically from the screen Screenshots and converted these into grey tones. If it would give a simple Firefox Plugin to solution, more waer I much pleases. Google did not help me unfortunately. Yours sincerely, Marcel Pociot --- Marcel, if I understand correctly, you are looking for a Firefox extension that will remove all colors from a web page to render it in black and white. I do not believe there is such an extension. You may be able to use the Web Developer toolbar [1] to edit the CSS of a webpage and change the colors manually, but that will not be easy to do either compared to your current process. [1] http://chrispederick.com/work/firefox/webdeveloper/ hope that helps, Zulema · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · Zulema Ortiz web designer folio: http://zoblue.com blog: http://blog.zoblue.com browser: http://getfirefox.com · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Firefox Greyscale Extension
Marcel, Give this a spin: http://www.vischeck.com/vischeck/ JimOn 8/18/05, Zulema [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoting Marcel Pociot [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hallo zusammen! Ich suche nach einer Erweiterung für Firefox , die es ermöglicht eine Webseite in Graustufen anzeigen zu lassen. Im Bezug auf Barrierefreiheit ist die Darstellung der Farben in Grautönen mit ausreichendem Kontrast eine Prio 1. Allerdings ist es etwas umständlich von dem Bildschirm ständig Screenshots zu machen und diese in Grautöne umzuwandeln. Wenn es eine einfache Firefox-Plugin Lösunggeben würde, wär ich sehr erfreut. Google hat mir leider nicht weitergeholfen. Mit freundlichen Grüßen, Marcel Pociot Marcel Pociot | e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] .. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Xbyte GmbH | 40699 erkrath | trills 23 http://www.xbyte.de | tel.: 02104-138 49 30 | fax: 02104-138 49 34It's very interesting how this translates:---Hello together! I look for for an extension for Firefox, it makepossible a webpage in gray tones indicate to let. In the reference to barrier liberty the representation of the colors is in grey tones with sufficient contrast a Prio1. However it is to be constantly made somewhat pedantically from the screenScreenshots and converted these into grey tones. If it would give a simple Firefox Plugin to solution, more waer I much pleases. Google did not help meunfortunately.Yours sincerely,Marcel Pociot---Marcel, if I understand correctly, you are looking for a Firefoxextension that will remove all colors from a web page to render it in black and white. I donot believe there is such an extension. You may be able to use the WebDeveloper toolbar [1] to edit the CSS of a webpage and change the colors manually, but that will not be easy to do either compared to your currentprocess.[1] http://chrispederick.com/work/firefox/webdeveloper/ hope that helps,Zulema· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · ·Zulema Ortizwebdesignerfolio: http://zoblue.comblog: http://blog.zoblue.com browser: http://getfirefox.com· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · ·**The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **-- __Bugs are, by definition, necessary. Just ask Microsoft! www.co.sauk.wi.us (Work)www.arionshome.com (Personal)www.freexenon.com (Consulting) __Take Back the Web with Mozilla Fire Fox http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/Making a Commercial Case for Adopting Web Standards http://www.maccaws.org/Web Standards Projecthttp://www.webstandards.org/Web Standards Group http://www.webstandardsgroup.org/Guild of Accessible Web Designershttp://www.gawds.org/
RE: [SPAM?]: Re: [WSG] Firefox Greyscale Extension
Marcel Pociot But FF Extension would be the best of course ;) Not an FF solution, but you can look at the excellent AIS Web Accessibility Toolbar for IE http://www.nils.org.au/ais/web/resources/toolbar/ which has a function that does exactly what you're after (Colors Greyscale) MfG, Patrick __ Patrick H. Lauke Webmaster / University of Salford http://www.salford.ac.uk __ Web Standards Project (WaSP) Accessibility Task Force http://webstandards.org/ __ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [SPAM?]: Re: [WSG] Firefox Greyscale Extension
Not sure if it's exactly what you want, but try this one: http://colorfilter.wickline.org/ Fjellman On 8/18/05, Marcel Pociot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey sorry for not translating it into english :) Well I want to know if there is a firefox extension that makes it possible to look at a webpage in greyscale. The point is: To have a webpage barrier-free the contrast of the webpage has to be good enough to recognize every image, link, etc. even if the monitor would only display it in greyscale. It would be a lot of work to check for this feature by making screenshots of the webpage and editing this screenshot in Photoshop. So unfortunately editing the css would not sovle this problem. Or maybe a little tool that could switch Windows to greyscale (like when Windows XP is shutting down) - Just a simple and fast solution for this :) But FF Extension would be the best of course ;) Marcel Marcel Pociot | e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] .. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Xbyte GmbH | 40699 erkrath | trills 23 http://www.xbyte.de | tel.: 02104-138 49 30 | fax: 02104-138 49 34 -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Zulema [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Donnerstag, 18. August 2005 16:44 An: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Cc: Marcel Pociot Betreff: [SPAM?]: Re: [WSG] Firefox Greyscale Extension Quoting Marcel Pociot [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hallo zusammen! Ich suche nach einer Erweiterung für Firefox , die es ermöglicht eine Webseite in Graustufen anzeigen zu lassen. Im Bezug auf Barrierefreiheit ist die Darstellung der Farben in Grautönen mit ausreichendem Kontrast eine Prio 1. Allerdings ist es etwas umständlich von dem Bildschirm ständig Screenshots zu machen und diese in Grautöne umzuwandeln. Wenn es eine einfache Firefox-Plugin Lösung geben würde, wär ich sehr erfreut. Google hat mir leider nicht weitergeholfen. Mit freundlichen Grüßen, Marcel Pociot Marcel Pociot | e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] .. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Xbyte GmbH | 40699 erkrath | trills 23 http://www.xbyte.de | tel.: 02104-138 49 30 | fax: 02104-138 49 34 It's very interesting how this translates: --- Hello together! I look for for an extension for Firefox, it make possible a web page in gray tones indicate to let. In the reference to barrier liberty the representation of the colors is in grey tones with sufficient contrast a Prio 1. However it is to be constantly made somewhat pedantically from the screen Screenshots and converted these into grey tones. If it would give a simple Firefox Plugin to solution, more waer I much pleases. Google did not help me unfortunately. Yours sincerely, Marcel Pociot --- Marcel, if I understand correctly, you are looking for a Firefox extension that will remove all colors from a web page to render it in black and white. I do not believe there is such an extension. You may be able to use the Web Developer toolbar [1] to edit the CSS of a webpage and change the colors manually, but that will not be easy to do either compared to your current process. [1] http://chrispederick.com/work/firefox/webdeveloper/ hope that helps, Zulema · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · Zulema Ortiz web designer folio: http://zoblue.com blog: http://blog.zoblue.com browser: http://getfirefox.com · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: AW: [SPAM?]: Re: [WSG] Firefox Greyscale Extension
On 8/18/2005 8:53 AM Marcel Pociot wrote: Or maybe a little tool that could switch Windows to greyscale (like when Windows XP is shutting down) - Just a simple and fast solution for this :) But FF Extension would be the best of course ;) Gadwin PrintScreen (http://www.gadwin.com/) is freeware that lets you view a screen capture as a gray scale image without writing a file. Not as handy as a FF extension would be but much better than using Photoshop. -- Steve Clason Web Design and Development Boulder, Colorado, USA www.topdogstrategy.com (303)818-8590 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] EASY MONEY MAKER/LEGIT AND LEGAL
AS SEEN ON OPRAH! $40K IN YOUR PAYPAL ACCOUNT! That's Right $40,000 dollars in your PayPal account - IT WAS PROVEN ON OPRAH, DATELINE, NATIONAL TV ITS COMPLETELY LEGAL!!! $10 Dollars... That's all it takes...I'll try to keep it short and sweet. FIRST, PRINT THIS OUT TO FOLLOW INSTRUCTIONS EASIER! To get started just right mouse click and copy this whole page and paste it in an e-mail to edit it. Simply follow the instructions below and in 2 to 3 weeks, you will have at least $40,000 dollars in your PayPal account. Most people respond to this program because of the low investment ($10 dollars) and high profit potential. There is no limit to the income you can generate from this (you can do it over and over). If you follow the instructions, you will reach thousands of people! Honesty, Faith, and Integrity make this system work. I think everyone has heard of PayPal. Anyone with an e-mail address can join for F*R*E*E*! If you're not already a PayPal user, the first thing you need to do is sign up. Just click the link below! It's really easy to set up and it's F*R*E*E*. https://www.paypal.com TEAM WORK MAKES THIS DREAM WORK! LET'S GET STARTED: Send a $5.00 dollar donation from your PayPal account to THE FIRST e-mail address on the list along with a note saying Please add me to your list. Now send the other $5.00 donation and e-mail to the 5th person on the list saying Thanks I've joined. Remove the 1st e-mail address and place your address at the bottom This moves the 2nd to 1st, 3rd to 2nd, 4th to 3rd, and the 5th place into 4th. DO NOT TRY TO PLACE YOURSELF IN THE FIRST PLACE. IT WILL ONLY REACH THE PEOPLE YOU SEND IT TO, AND THEN YOUR NAME WILL BE REMOVED FROM THE LIST! If you do this the way it was designed it will reach thousands by the time your name gets to the top. REMEMBER TO SEND 1) A $5.00 dollar donation to the 1st person from the list with a message saying PLEASE ADD ME TO YOUR LIST, 2) And send a $5.00 donation to the 5th person from the list with the message saying: THANKS I'VE JOINED. This lets the 5th person keep track of progress of the letter and continue to send out more emails. Here is the list: 1. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 4. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Now that you have paid the 1st person and 5th person sent them both an email a note, place your e-mail address in the 5th place. (Make sure it's the same e-mail address that you used to open your PayPal account). This is the way you will receive payment. OK, the only thing left to do is to mail out at least 20 copies of this letter. It is the job of the 5th person on the list to ensure there are at least 20 thank you I joined replies. The fifth person is the guardian of the system! If there are not at least 20 replies then the fifth person will keep sending the letter until there is. MAKE SURE YOU SEND $5 DOLLARS TO THE FIRST PERSON TO THANK THEM FOR WHEN THEY WERE THE GUARDIAN OF THE LETTER and $5 DOLLARS TO THE FIFTH PERSON SO MORE EMAILS CONTINUE TO GO OUT! As you will also receive gratis - thanks AND THE SAME BLESSING. When your name is on the 1st slot, 8,000 to 15,000 people will send you 5 dollars! DO NOT TRY TO PUT YOURSELF IN FIFTH PLACE WITHOUT PAYING, AS PAYPAL WILL AUTOMATICALLY NOTICE THIS AND DELETE YOUR ACCOUNT AND POSSIBLY PURSUE LEGAL ACTION , SINCE THIS IS A LEGITIMATE PROGRAM, AND THEY ARE PART OF IT! Keep in mind... the most you spent is $10 DOLLARS! (Remember... what goes around comes around) TESTIMONIALS: Mary Gatters, Columbus, SC: I only have one thing to say to you... OH MY GOD! I sent out 142 copies total before 20 replied, like the instructions said. Then I went on a short vacation. When I got back my account had over $32,000 dollars in it already and the money was still coming! I'm still floating on air (especially with my new car). I thought the 'guardian' system sounded cheesy, but now I realize it is the formula that makes this letter really work! THANKS! LET'S RECAP STEPS: Step 1. Set up your PayPal account, if you don't already have one, and send the top name (1st person) $5.00 dollars. DON'T FORGET to include Please add me to your list. Step 2. Send the other $5.00 dollars and an e-mail stating Thank you I've Joined to the 5th name on the list. Step 3. Remove the top name, bump the other 4 names up 1 place each Place your name in the bottom slot - you will receive a minimum of $100.00 or more from your efforts. Step 4. Keep sending the letter until you get 20, Thank you I've joined replies in your inbox. I know that you have seen this on Oprah or even received numerous messages about this simple program and have probably just deleted them, I know I have! But for some unknown reason this time I decided to give it a try, after all, only a $10.00 investment! Please give it an honest effort, you will not be disappointed and will be very glad you did when it starts to work. Remember, all you're going to be out of
Re: [WSG] EASY MONEY MAKER/LEGIT AND LEGAL
Robert Moreno wrote: AS SEEN ON OPRAH! $40K IN YOUR PAYPAL ACCOUNT! As seen on WSG! BANNED! ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Semantic Calendar
On Aug 17, 2005, at 8:31 PM, T. R. Valentine wrote: On 17/08/05, Scott Swabey (Lafinboy Productions) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does a calendar (single month) qualify as tabular data, are ordered lists a better fit, or should I be looking at another option? IMO, a calendar is always tabular data. I agree that in general, calendars on web pages should be marked up as tables. This affords some backwards compatibility with the CSS- challenged. So I in no way want to argue against Valentine's position, but I do want to discuss a point about it. Tabular data means data that both the row and column add meaning and context to the displayed data. A calendar is not row-sensitive; columns are only columns because that is a convenient shorthand for repeated meta data (days of the week). As I understand it, Mayan calendars (for examples) represented the same thing as circular (cyclical?) data, and not tabular. Case in point: depending on national preference, the calendar weeks may start with Sunday, or end with Sunday. But Sunday, Aug 14, 2005, would move to a different week (a different row, and therefore a different meaning) if you switched from Sunday-first to Sunday-last. In tabular data, you cannot arbitrarily switch rows and not change the meaning, but in a typical calendar Aug 14 would remain the same regardless of the column order. The data structure of a calendar is an ordered list, with repeated meta data (days of week), and sectional groups (months and years). There is no truly appropriate HTML markup for this, since you cannot segment an ol. A current project of mine allows people to select a week by clicking on any day within it. In this case, changing from Sunday-first to Sunday-last *would* change the week the Sunday is related to, and so tabular data it has become. -- Ben Curtis : webwright bivia : a personal web studio http://www.bivia.com v: (818) 507-6613 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] IE Madness
Works fine on IE5.5. I did notice you don't have a name="top"/a which might fix your problem. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kenny GrahamSent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 3:45 AMTo: wsg@webstandardsgroup.orgSubject: Re: [WSG] IE Madness Works fine for me in IE6/WinXP/SP2. Normally, I'd recommend you uninstall and reinstall your browser... but wait... it's IE, and I doubt you want to reformat. *evil grin*
RE: [SPAM?]: Re: [WSG] Firefox Greyscale Extension
That is a great webiste. Thanks. :-) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of morten fjellman Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 8:34 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [SPAM?]: Re: [WSG] Firefox Greyscale Extension Not sure if it's exactly what you want, but try this one: http://colorfilter.wickline.org/ Fjellman On 8/18/05, Marcel Pociot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey sorry for not translating it into english :) Well I want to know if there is a firefox extension that makes it possible to look at a webpage in greyscale. The point is: To have a webpage barrier-free the contrast of the webpage has to be good enough to recognize every image, link, etc. even if the monitor would only display it in greyscale. It would be a lot of work to check for this feature by making screenshots of the webpage and editing this screenshot in Photoshop. So unfortunately editing the css would not sovle this problem. Or maybe a little tool that could switch Windows to greyscale (like when Windows XP is shutting down) - Just a simple and fast solution for this :) But FF Extension would be the best of course ;) Marcel Marcel Pociot | e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] .. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Xbyte GmbH | 40699 erkrath | trills 23 http://www.xbyte.de | tel.: 02104-138 49 30 | fax: 02104-138 49 34 -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Zulema [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Donnerstag, 18. August 2005 16:44 An: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Cc: Marcel Pociot Betreff: [SPAM?]: Re: [WSG] Firefox Greyscale Extension Quoting Marcel Pociot [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hallo zusammen! Ich suche nach einer Erweiterung für Firefox , die es ermöglicht eine Webseite in Graustufen anzeigen zu lassen. Im Bezug auf Barrierefreiheit ist die Darstellung der Farben in Grautönen mit ausreichendem Kontrast eine Prio 1. Allerdings ist es etwas umständlich von dem Bildschirm ständig Screenshots zu machen und diese in Grautöne umzuwandeln. Wenn es eine einfache Firefox-Plugin Lösung geben würde, wär ich sehr erfreut. Google hat mir leider nicht weitergeholfen. Mit freundlichen Grüßen, Marcel Pociot Marcel Pociot | e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] .. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Xbyte GmbH | 40699 erkrath | trills 23 http://www.xbyte.de | tel.: 02104-138 49 30 | fax: 02104-138 49 34 It's very interesting how this translates: --- Hello together! I look for for an extension for Firefox, it make possible a web page in gray tones indicate to let. In the reference to barrier liberty the representation of the colors is in grey tones with sufficient contrast a Prio 1. However it is to be constantly made somewhat pedantically from the screen Screenshots and converted these into grey tones. If it would give a simple Firefox Plugin to solution, more waer I much pleases. Google did not help me unfortunately. Yours sincerely, Marcel Pociot --- Marcel, if I understand correctly, you are looking for a Firefox extension that will remove all colors from a web page to render it in black and white. I do not believe there is such an extension. You may be able to use the Web Developer toolbar [1] to edit the CSS of a webpage and change the colors manually, but that will not be easy to do either compared to your current process. [1] http://chrispederick.com/work/firefox/webdeveloper/ hope that helps, Zulema · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · Zulema Ortiz web designer folio: http://zoblue.com blog: http://blog.zoblue.com browser: http://getfirefox.com · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] html design - best practices
Without trying to drag this on Ben, I still fail to see the purpose of using the B tag over the SPAN tag and don't genuinely believe I'm declaring my own preference as a standard. If backward compatibility is the only argument then it only goes slightly further back than SPAN so the weight of that isn't sufficient to warrant what, to me, a human, doesn't *seem* logical. SPAN has a greater range of acceptance, past, present and future, than B, as an empty tag to hook a style to, which is the only purpose of this. Non-backwards compatibility of the B tag is screen rendered bold text which may not be the purpose of the class hook, now, or in the future. SPAN is neutral which is what we want. Without turning this into a tit-for-tat, it's hard to resolve because, as you say, it's a debatable subject and one, really, that should be cleared up, whether for my benefit or the rest of the captive audience. Believe me, I'm all for learning and open to suggestions, but unless I get a sound and reasoned argument as to why B is *better* than SPAN, I won't be applying it to any markup I produce. My last word: SPAN, as a neutral hook for adding inline styles, is the recommended logical solution. Time for a cold one I think... ;) I agree fully that this is a debatable topic, with merits (non-CSS backwards compatibility) and liabilities (possibly greater *human* incompatibility). However, I'll always get worked up when people declare their own preference is the standard, and I think it's useful to point out such a fallacy. Such declarations, although well- intentioned, do not help a person struggling to understand the standard. -- ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] IE Madness
Internet Explorer cannot open the internet site http:// www.fifeweb.org/wp/events/evnt_ga_res_2005_01.html. Operation aborted. It seems as if IE is striping off the #top fragment. Anyone know how to fix this? Bob, I had never seen this before last week, when I got quite the surprise myself as IE spit out Operation aborted at me. So far though, I haven't been able to figure it out either. I'm doing some testing a design work for ideaShrub (http://ideashrub.com) and there's a page that does the same thing you mention here. John Resig and I are working on figuring out what the problem is, and if we do, I'll be sure to post a follow-up here on the WSG list. Here's hoping for some answers Patrick Patrick Haney Not a sausage http://patrickhaney.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] issues with trying to overlay background-images
Hello group.
On a page I am working on, I am trying to get a background image for a
search bar to overlap and appear in front of another background image.
I am not sure if this is even possible, but I am trying to do it using
z-index to no avail.
the page url is:http://www.semlogic.com/new_version/template.htm
and the relevent CSS is
#header {
margin:0;
padding:0;
width:780px;
height:142px;
background: url(../images/bkg_header.gif);
z-index:100;
}
#grey_bar{/*grey bar used below logo header*/
background:#c1c1c1 url(../images/search_bkg.gif) top right no-repeat;
width:100%;
height:auto;
z-index:1;
}
the grey bar has a background positioned right which is the background
for the search bar and I want that to extend beyond (above) the
boundaries of the grey_bar div and appear in front of the image in the
header div.
hope this makes a little bit of sense.
the full css is at :
http://www.semlogic.com/new_version/css/style.css
any suggestions for accomplishing this is greatly appreciated!
thanks,
--
::Bruce::
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Re: [WSG] html design - best practices
Without trying to drag this on Ben... Indeed. I suspect this discussion is one of those that a lot of people would be in agreement if they were in the same room, but in email it seems like there may be more disagreement than intended. Tends to produce many emails, especially from folks like me who find themselves arguing a point they aren't fully behind... If backward compatibility is the only argument then it only goes slightly further back than SPAN ... Non-backwards compatibility of the B tag is screen rendered bold text which may not be the purpose of the class hook, now, or in the future. SPAN is neutral which is what we want. The original poster was trying to highlight certain text. He suggested the b tag but worried that it was deprecated. My response was that it is not deprecated, would provide the highlight he wanted in non-CSS browsers, and as valid XHTML1.1 it would also be as forward-compatible as any other option (because my contention is that for any XHTML 1.0 or 1.1 document to become XHTML 2.0, it must be translated, perhaps with XSLT). I was not advocating the b tag over the span tag, but merely pointing that it is a valid option. Whether it is the correct option is debatable. So the compatibility thing is not that span was introduced later, but that b would produce the desired effect when a browser is incapable of rendering the CSS. This is not necessarily about non-CSS browsers (e.g., Netscape 3, Lynx), because a popular technique for handling browsers with poor market share is to deliver no CSS to them. People are discussing whether this should be done with IE5 (Win and Mac), which certainly could render a span as bold but might not be given the chance. Time for a cold one I think... ;) A brilliant idea. Always up for a cool pint. Lemme finish breakfast first. :) -- Ben Curtis : webwright bivia : a personal web studio http://www.bivia.com v: (818) 507-6613 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] IE Madness
Patrick Haney wrote: Internet Explorer cannot open the internet site http:// www.fifeweb.org/wp/events/evnt_ga_res_2005_01.html. Operation aborted. It seems as if IE is striping off the #top fragment. Anyone know how to fix this? Bob, Late to the party, but I cannot replicate this problem (IE 6.0.2 / W2K). FWIW... JF -- John Foliot [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Accessibility Specialist / Co-founder of WATS.ca Web Accessibility Testing and Services http://www.wats.ca Phone: 1-613-482-7053 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Semantic Calendar
On Aug 17, 2005, at 8:31 PM, T. R. Valentine wrote: On 17/08/05, Scott Swabey (Lafinboy Productions) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does a calendar (single month) qualify as tabular data, are ordered lists a better fit, or should I be looking at another option? IMO, a calendar is always tabular data. Ahh, tables! Here's my 0.02$ Answer == Calendars should be marked up using tables not lists. Reason == Tables represent tabular data. Tabular data *does not* need a row identifier as data can be legitimately consumed in columnar format. Data in the rows can inherit meaning by the very context they are contained in, i.e. TH, CAPTION and SUMMARY. TH can be used as a row identifier if it is required in order to comprehend the data. CAPTION: March 2005 Sun Mon Tue Wed Thu Fri Sat 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 CAPTION: Staff NameAge Gender P. Smith28 Male S. Bloggs 32 Female The above models provide a perfectly clear tabular format and should be marked up as such. As Ben correctly points out, OL is the correct structure of the *data*, but the *data* isn't complete without identifying headers, giving the *data* a second dimension, hence a tabular format, hence TABLE is the correct structure. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] issues with trying to overlay background-images
Bruce,
If I'm not mistaken, and I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong, z index
only works with
absolute positioning, and not with background images.
Kind regards,
Mario
Hello group.
On a page I am working on, I am trying to get a background image for a search
bar to overlap and
appear in front of another background image. I am not sure if this is even
possible, but I am
trying to do it using z-index to no avail.
the page url is:http://www.semlogic.com/new_version/template.htm
and the relevent CSS is
#header {
margin:0;
padding:0;
width:780px;
height:142px;
background: url(../images/bkg_header.gif);
z-index:100;
}
#grey_bar{/*grey bar used below logo header*/
background:#c1c1c1 url(../images/search_bkg.gif) top right no-repeat;
width:100%;
height:auto;
z-index:1;
}
the grey bar has a background positioned right which is the background for
the search bar and I
want that to extend beyond (above) the
boundaries of the grey_bar div and appear in front of the image in the header
div.
hope this makes a little bit of sense.
the full css is at :
http://www.semlogic.com/new_version/css/style.css
any suggestions for accomplishing this is greatly appreciated!
thanks,
--
::Bruce::
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Re: [WSG] Firefox Greyscale Extension
Marcel Pociot wrote: Hallo zusammen! Ich suche nach einer Erweiterung für Firefox , die es ermöglicht eine Webseite in Graustufen anzeigen zu lassen. Im Bezug auf Barrierefreiheit ist die Darstellung der Farben in Grautönen mit ausreichendem Kontrast eine Prio 1. Allerdings ist es etwas umständlich von dem Bildschirm ständig Screenshots zu machen und diese in Grautöne umzuwandeln. Wenn es eine einfache Firefox-Plugin Lösung geben würde, wär ich sehr erfreut. Google hat mir leider nicht weitergeholfen. Mit freundlichen Grüßen, Marcel Pociot Marcel Pociot | e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Xbyte GmbH | 40699 erkrath | trills 23 _http://www.xbyte.de_ http://www.xbyte.de/ | tel.: 02104-138 49 30 | fax: 02104-138 49 34 marcel, http://www.nils.org.au/ais/ hier ist eine toolbar fur internet explorer das wille tun was du wunchen. steven sagen er arbeiten auf die toolbar fur firefox. veile gruss, dwain ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] html design - best practices
On 18 Aug 2005, at 8:50 PM, Lea de Groot wrote: I think the developer who approaches this later will be confused. Documenting your work eliminates this, nothing too fancy required... just some comments on how and why things are done a particular way. kind regards Terrence Wood. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Revealing the Header Contents
http://ckimedia.com/bushido_fall/index_03_headFloat.htm The url above has a sword as a background for the header. I'm attempting to reveal the right side of the header background without placing the header outside of the page-container. I was able to reveal the entire header with a -103px margin, it works in FF. Can someone offer a solution that will hold in IE and Safari 2.0? ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] IE Madness
Bob Schwartz wrote: On this page: http://www.fifeweb.org/wp/events/evnt_ga_res_2005_02.html I have a link at the bottom of the page (Back To Page One) which should send a visitor to: http://www.fifeweb.org/wp/events/evnt_ga_res_2005_01.html#top and it does in all the browsers I have tried except IE Windows which gives the following error message: Internet Explorer cannot open the internet site http:// www.fifeweb.org/wp/events/evnt_ga_res_2005_01.html. Operation aborted. I cannot replicate this behavior (IE6.0.2/WinXP Pro) But I have a question for you: what's the purpose of using a fragment identifier to get to the top of that page? Wouldn't you get the same result, using: http://www.fifeweb.org/wp/events/evnt_ga_res_2005_01.html Thierry | www.TJKDesign.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] issues with trying to overlay background-images
Bruce Gilbert wrote: On a page I am working on, I am trying to get a background image for a search bar to overlap and appear in front of another background image. I am not sure if this is even possible, but I am trying to do it using z-index to no avail. the page url is:http://www.semlogic.com/new_version/template.htm http://www.semlogic.com/new_version/css/style.css Bruce, Forgive me, but this looks like a 3-col version of the 2-col layout you had on css-d that was giving you so much trouble, and is exhibiting the same problems-- too much unnecessary and redundant code, coupled with attempts to decorate the upstairs attic of a house that has a weak and unstable foundation. Regards, David Laakso -- David Laakso http://www.dlaakso.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] best practice for layering menus
I have been hesitent to ask this question as I am
not sure that the optimal solution is to use css.
I wish to have a top horizontal menu which alternates
the selection of left navigation menus.
So if my top menu links are spanish, english and danish
I want to display the contents: one two three on the left side
in their respective languages. This example is purely for
demonstration purposes and not meant as an exercise in internationalization.
Personally, I was hoping to use a pure css solution and found some links
that made me think I was on the right track:
I think this technique shows how with CSS's z-index: property one can
control what is layered on top of what regardless of the order of the
code. The amount of java script would be minimal it seems but I am not
sure if it works well across all browsers.
http://codepunk.hardwar.org.uk/acss07.htm
These are other good tips:
when to use visibility property or when to use display/block
http://www.devx.com/tips/Tip/13638
Some close solutions used javascript but did not work well across
different browsers:
http://www.chunkysoup.net/basic/js3step/js_3step.4.html
http://codepunk.hardwar.org.uk/bjs21.htm
and I am guessing that I need something like:
http://www.quirksmode.org/js/layerwrite.html
WHAT I REALLY WANT TO KNOW IS :-)
What do the experts say? I want it to work at least in FF1.0 and IE 6.0
so browser compatibility is an issue but I want to keep the js to a
minimal.
Concretely, what changes do I need to make in my code if I want menu1 to
display different languages when clicking on the appropriate link?
!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN
html
head
meta name=FreeFind content=followScript
titlemy first java script/title
style type=text/css
#menu1{
display: none;
width: 200px;
position: absolute;
top: 10em;
left: 10;
background-color: #EEFFCC;
border: 1px solid black;
}
/style
script type=text/javascript
function message()
{
alert(This alert box was called with the onload event)
}
/script
/head
body onload=message()
a href=#
onclick=document.getElementById('menu1').style.display='block'show
/abr/
a href=#
onclick=document.getElementById('menu1').style.display='none'hide
/abr/
a href=#
onclick=document.getElementById('menu1').style.display='block'english
/abr/
a href=#
onclick=document.getElementById('menu1').style.display='none'danish
/abr/
a href=#
onclick=document.getElementById('menu1').style.display='block'spanish
/abr/
a href=#
onclick=document.getElementById('menu1').style.display='none'empty/abr/
div id=menu1
ul id=navlist
li id=activea href=# id=currentItem one/a/li
lia href=#Item two/a/li
lia href=#Item three/a/li
/ul
ul id=navlist
li id=activea href=# id=currentItem uno/a/li
lia href=#Item dos/a/li
lia href=#Item tres/a/li
/ul
ul id=navlist
li id=activea href=# id=currentItem en/a/li
lia href=#Item to/a/li
lia href=#Item tre/a/li
/ul
/div
/body
/html
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RE: [WSG] Safari 1.3 vs Safari 2 differences
quoteSafari 1.3 and 2.0 are supposed to be identical/quote I was recently working on a site that errors out completely in Safari/Tiger but works great in Safari/Panther. The error in Tiger is too many http requests when downloading images. However, viewing the activity bar for the same page, the error is shown for random images .. There's no (observable-to-me) consistency. Has anyone else witnessed a similar problem? I haven't located any resources yet. -chris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Philippe Wittenbergh Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 5:56 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Safari 1.3 vs Safari 2 differences On 18 Aug 2005, at 9:35 pm, Jan Brasna wrote: Gamma correction, min-/mix-width/height, this is the most visible difference between 1.2.4 (maybe 1.3) and 2.0, but since everyone I know has moved to Tiger, I don't assume this is a problem... Safari 1.3 and 2.0 are supposed to be identical. There could be some display bugs due to a particular OS configuration (Panther vs Tiger), difference in font rendering, ... It shouldn't cause major layout problems though. PS - Jan, Safari v312 (1.3, Panther) beats Safari v412 (2.0, Tiger) by 35% in *my* stats. Philippe --- Philippe Wittenbergh http://emps.l-c-n.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Spec box and leaders
Is there a way to make leaders for use in an automotive Specifications box? I have a ton of specs to place on a web page and I'm baffled as how to do this with XHTML and CSS. A quick example below. I do this all the time in InDesign and Quark but this is a first for me on the web. Can it be done or does someone have a better thought process? Gear Ratios: 1st...3.59 2nd..2.19 3rd..1.41 4th..1.00 5th..0.83 Reverse3.16 Any help will be greatly appreciated! wayne Wayne Godfrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Body text disappears in IE when window is maximised
Lindsay, you're a champion. Modifying the class itself was also required but your solution worked. Thank you, too, Ingo. I have kept your suggestion in mind for other eventualities of this kind. Does the structure of the CSS and layout seem solid enough? I'm very interested in getting feedback on this. Incidentally, there's still a slight alignment problem with the text in the main body. It sort of shimmies in about 0.2em halfway down and doesn't seem affected by window size. e.g. This is a line of text and this is the second line in the same paragraph. -Original Message- From: Lindsay Evans Sent: Thursday, 18 August 2005 4:52 PM Hi Paul, You're talking about the content in the middle column getting chopped off about half way down? Try changing div class=cleanernbsp;/div to br class=cleaner / ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Semantic Calendar
Ben Curtis wrote Tabular data means data that both the row and column add meaning and context to the displayed data. A calendar is not row-sensitive; Ben, and others, thanks for the input on this. Ben, your comments particularly align with my thoughts about the appropriateness of using a table for apparently non-tabular data. After a bit more thought I have decided to present the calendar in a table, which, combined with some additional functionality of the calendar, now seems to be the _right_ way to do it. Regards Scott Swabey Lafinboy Productions www.lafinboy.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Spec box and leaders
Hi, Looks like tabular data, so you could use a table without incurring the wrath of the CSS deities. C On Aug 18, 2005, at 4:28 PM, Wayne Godfrey wrote: Is there a way to make leaders for use in an automotive Specifications box? I have a ton of specs to place on a web page and I'm baffled as how to do this with XHTML and CSS. A quick example below. I do this all the time in InDesign and Quark but this is a first for me on the web. Can it be done or does someone have a better thought process? Gear Ratios: 1st...3.59 2nd..2.19 3rd..1.41 4th..1.00 5th..0.83 Reverse3.16 Any help will be greatly appreciated! wayne Wayne Godfrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Spec box and leaders
Wayne Godfrey wrote Is there a way to make leaders for use in an automotive Specifications box? Wayne A brief discussion[1] was entered into recently on the generation of dot leaders. There is a test case[2] to view as well, which should give you a good idea of directions to take. [1] http://webstandardsgroup.org/manage/archive.cfm?uid=ADB96CC1-E463-9773-87201 99CF9431C68 [2] http://www.gwelanmor-internet.co.uk/blogstuff/dotleader.html Regards Scott Swabey Lafinboy Productions www.lafinboy.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] two column equal width fixed centred layout
Hi Is there a best practice for having two columns of equal width side by side in a fixed width layout? I mean, is it better to float both columns left, or one left and one right etc. Are there any examples of this somewhere? Thanks Helen *** Helen Rysavy Web Designer Teaching Learning Development Group Charles Darwin University, Northern Territory 0909 Tel: 8946 7779 Mobile: 0403 290 842 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] CRICOS Provider No: 00300K *** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] ADMIN : responding to spam
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Re: [WSG] Safari 1.3 vs Safari 2 differences
On 19/8/05 8:22 AM, chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: quoteSafari 1.3 and 2.0 are supposed to be identical/quote I was recently working on a site that errors out completely in Safari/Tiger but works great in Safari/Panther. The error in Tiger is too many http requests when downloading images. However, viewing the activity bar for the same page, the error is shown for random images .. There's no (observable-to-me) consistency. Has anyone else witnessed a similar problem? I haven't located any resources yet. -chris Are you sure that the Panther version of Safari you're using is 1.3? Safari v1.3 *requires* 10.3.9, and in fact was part of that OS update. The intention of the 1.3 update was to bring its rendering engine into line with v2, effectively making them the same. You *should* be seeing the same results in either version, OS-specific features aside (font rendering etc). Having said all that, I'm not sure what's causing your error. -- Kevin Futter Webmaster, St. Bernard's College http://www.sbc.melb.catholic.edu.au/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Spec box and leaders
On Thu, 18 Aug 2005 19:28:50 -0400, Wayne Godfrey wrote: Is there a way to make leaders for use in an automotive Specifications box? I used this method recently and was very happy with the results: http://web-graphics.com/mtarchive/001622.php warmly, Lea -- Lea de Groot Elysian Systems - http://elysiansystems.com/ Brisbane, Australia ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Revealing the Header Contents[Solution Question]
Hi, I've resolved the issue without having to remove the header from the content div, and without having to change the width of the container. The question is how, mathematically was I able to expand the header to 700px within the container 0f 498px? On Aug 18, 2005, at 2:31 PM, Chris Kennon wrote: http://ckimedia.com/bushido_fall/index_03_headFloat.htm The url above has a sword as a background for the header. I'm attempting to reveal the right side of the header background without placing the header outside of the page-container. I was able to reveal the entire header with a -103px margin, it works in FF. Can someone offer a solution that will hold in IE and Safari 2.0? ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Spec box and leaders
A great solution. On Aug 18, 2005, at 6:31 PM, Lea de Groot wrote: On Thu, 18 Aug 2005 19:28:50 -0400, Wayne Godfrey wrote: Is there a way to make leaders for use in an automotive Specifications box? I used this method recently and was very happy with the results: http://web-graphics.com/mtarchive/001622.php warmly, Lea -- Lea de Groot Elysian Systems - http://elysiansystems.com/ Brisbane, Australia ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] IE, Ordered Lists and width on LI
Hi all, Ive found that if I have an ol and a width specified through the css on the li that IE doesnt actually number the list! They all turn up as number 1! Can someone explain why this would be and does anyone know of a way around it? I have a bottom border on my lis that looks very weird if the width isnt there ! Rachel Radford (+64-4-384-3546 : [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Heliocell | Online Solutions 12 Knigges Ave PO Box 6859 Marion Square Wellington ýwww.heliocell.com PLEASE NOTE: This email message and accompanying data may contain information that is confidential and subject to legal privilege. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that any use dissemination distribution or copying of this message or data is prohibited. If you have received this email message in error please notify us immediately and erase all copies of the message and attachments. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender states them, with requisite authority, to be those of Heliocell Ltd. The recipient stated is the sole intended recipient and this email is not to be forwarded or shared digitally without the permission of the sender.Thank you. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] IE, Ordered Lists and width on LI
Rachel Radford wrote: Hi all, I’ve found that if I have an ol and a width specified through the css on the li that IE doesn’t actually number the list! They all turn up as number 1! Can someone explain why this would be… and does anyone know of a way around it? I have a bottom border on my li’s that looks very weird if the width isn’t there…! try putting the width on the ol. hth, dwain -- Dwain Alford http://www.alforddesigngroup.com The Teacher answered: There is no sin. 'The Gospel of Mary of Magdala' ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
