Re: [WSG] Background image not visible in ie
Hi Lyn, I've tested it in IE7 and it works ok, but just isn't working in IE6 (it loads but is blue at one end rather than white). The reason for this is that you're using a transparent PNG which isn't supported on IE6 and below. There are tons of examples of this (and how to fix it) on this mailing list but I've put a link below which should get it working for you. http://thedesignspace.net/MT2archives/000103.html Cheers, Ben --- e: b...@bendodson.com w: http://bendodson.com/ Feeling social? Connect with me on various social networks at http://social.bendodson.com/ - You might also want to follow me on Twitter at http://twitter.com/bendodson On 29 Apr 2009, at 06:44, Lynette Smith wrote: Good afternoon http://www.westernwebdesign.com.au/zoobridal/index.html IE is not showing the background image on #container. Have only just noticed this. Cannot find any reason for it to be so. I have a very similar site with a background image on #container and it has no problems in IE. Can anyone spot the problem? I would be most grateful. Kind regards Lyn www.westernwebdesign.com.au Affordable web design - Perth *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Background image not visible in ie
It does of course require JavaScript which isn't strictly necessary as you can get the same effect with just CSS (especially for the purposes of the example given initially). With regards to background image positioning, I'm fairly sure there is no way to stop it going to position (0,0) as that's how the Microsoft Filter works. Ben --- e: b...@bendodson.com w: http://bendodson.com/ Feeling social? Connect with me on various social networks at http://social.bendodson.com/ - You might also want to follow me on Twitter at http://twitter.com/bendodson On 29 Apr 2009, at 13:46, James Leslie wrote: The guys over at unit interactive also have a help script to help fix the issues with transparent PNG images in IE6. http://labs.unitinteractive.com/unitpngfix.php I highly recommend this script very handy and concise. The one problem I have noticed with it is that it doesn't respect background position on background images - everything goes to (0,0) . If this is ok, it is a great solution and can of course be applied via a conditional comment meaning no superfluous code for 'decent' browsers. James *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] PNG - how cross-browser standard reliable?
Only if they are PNGs with alpha transparencies - these are not supported in IE6 amongst others (although there are hacks). If it's just a straightforward image, then PNG will be absolutely fine. Ben --- e: b...@bendodson.com w: http://bendodson.com/ Feeling social? Connect with me on various social networks at http://social.bendodson.com/ - You might also want to follow me on Twitter at http://twitter.com/bendodson On 27 Apr 2009, at 10:46, Mike Kear wrote: I’m looking at a whole bunch of icons to use in a new app I’m building, and rather than convert them all to gifs, I was thinking of leaving them as the .png format they are now.They work on all the browsers I use, but I’m wondering what everyone else’s experience has been of using .pngs in web pages. Last time I tried using a png, I found it worked ok in some browsers and not in others. Is this still a relevant issue? Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia 0422 985 585 Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks Pty Ltd http://afpwebworks.com Full Scale ColdFusion hosting from A$15/month *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] meta tag questions
I don't know about the Dublin Core issue but my gut feeling with geo.position and your example would be that of course the bed and breakfast in Pisa, Italy should have their location as the hotel will always be in the same place. I think that you've looked at the issue from the wrong side in that you assume it would only show in regional searches (e.g. an italian search engine) whereas in actual fact it should show up in a global search for that region - e.g. if I search for hotels pisa italy I would expect it to show up as it's geo.position clearly states that is where it is and so the search engine can be 100% sure that it is in the area I'm looking for. I haven't done any tests, etc, but that is what I would expect of the tag. How much difference it makes in terms of SEO will be harder to gauge as I doubt that adding that tag will make you rank higher (as the search engines cater for the lowest possible denominator) but it should help in terms of specific search queries. Ben --- e: b...@bendodson.com w: http://bendodson.com/ Feeling social? Connect with me on various social networks at http://social.bendodson.com/ - You might also want to follow me on Twitter at http://twitter.com/bendodson On 24 Feb 2009, at 11:21, Bob Schwartz wrote: I have questions regarding two types of meta tags, Dublin Core and geo.position: 1. Dublin Core: I have only been able to find older studies (2000) regarding the possible improvement in search engine positioning through the use of these tags. The conclusion in these olders studies was no significant imporvement, however they did go on to say that in the future these tags will play a more important role. Has that future arrived or are these tags essentialy still code bloat? 2. geo.position: According to Wikipedia geo.position tags help in returning regional search requests, or as they put it: It understandably makes little sense to look for a baker and find one who has his shop in a completely different town. If this is the case, then it would seem putting geo.position tags on a bed and breakfast site in Pisa, Italy that is trying to reach potential guests around the world would not be a good idea. Anyone have any experience or thoughts regarding these tags? Thanks, Bob Schwartz *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] iphone should not be part of your url
I don't personally have a problem with having iphone in a URL as it is generally used for applications that are very specific to the iphone. Yes, perhaps there should be versions for other devices (e.g. Nokia) but the reality is that most developers won't bother making specific sites for these users and instead use a generic mobile stylesheet. The difference with the iPhone is that it's the latest bandwagon in town and that the majority of iPhone owners will use the internet on the phone (whereas the majority of Nokia phone owners won't use the web browser on the phone). It also has a very specific style and so companies will try and cater to this (e.g. the facebook web app was designed to look like a native iPhone application). Of course, now there is the App store and the ability to run third party applications, I'm sure a lot of these iPhone specific websites will disappear as the developers move to offering a built in solution. Ben -- e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: http://bendodson.com/ On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 12:54 PM, Svip [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I say the largest mobile browser, I mean the browser that can handle more content and layouts on a mobile device than any other. I have seen plenty of mobile phone browsers. I admit Opera Mini is great, but the Safari on the iPhone does give you the full experience as you would on your laptop/desktop. Now, personally, I don't mind sites specifically for mobile devices, cause they are lower in content, which is something you'd like on a mobile device, due to the limitations of the screen and the cost of transfer. But while I realise that 3G is limited in the US, there is no place yet where the mobile device industry is developed enough to allow for full blown websites on mobile devices. Which I believe is Apple taking a step too early. Regards, Svip P.S. I live in Denmark. 2008/7/20 Keryx Web [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Svip skrev: I see where you're coming from, but let's not forget that the iPhone's browser is (as of right now) the largest mobile browser, in the fashion, that it is basically the same browser you get on your computer. The good thing about the iPhone is that suddenly USA is getting to know the mobile web. The bad thing is that USA seems to believe that the mobile web = iPhone. In Scandinavia, where I live, most people are *not* that impressed with the iPhone, nor is it the largest mobile browser. We have been surfing the web on our 3G phones for quite some time now. But we welcome all (US) Americans to the 21st century! Lars Gunther (who probably will get himself a Nokia N96 when it comes out, and even today would take an N95 over the iPhone) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] AJAX short courses london
Just thought I'd throw my 2 cents in. I've always learnt things from either books or from chatting with other developers in IRC (there are no doubt some ajax specific groups - I recommend #jquery for the jQuery library which is my particular ajax weapon of choice). Accreditations are definitely not required in the web development world - the worst developers I've interviewed are always the ones with accreditations whereas the best have just taught themselves or been taught by their peers! Cheers, Ben -- e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: http://bendodson.com/ On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 11:10 AM, Joe Ortenzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: so where else can you be taught in bed for £50* (*stop sniggering in the back there!) and as for accreditation, some of my best developers were not accredited and their experience counted for much more than any course could provide. They are much better at independent thinking, self-study for things they need to know more about, and less likely to get stuck in a conceptual rut. Joe On May 30 2008, at 22:39, James Jeffery wrote: Only problem with the Lynda.com DVDs is sometimes they can be outdated. Although, this one is £50 and looks good. I might actually buy this, i like watching the movies when in bed. http://movielibrary.lynda.com/html/modPage.asp?ID=480 On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 9:51 PM, Joe Ortenzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree. I have rarely seen any course in web technologies that you couldn't get further for much less money with either a video tutorial from places like lynda.com or from good how to books from great publishers like new riders, friends of ed, o'reilleys, etc. you can study at your own pace, replay and review difficult bits, skip over others, and the resource stays with you.. On May 27 2008, at 05:28, Jennie K wrote: If you are not after accreditation try this website www.lynda.com - it's all online and you study at your own pace. I've recommended the training to numerous people and they have all said it is of good quality. You can try some of the free courses before committing - there are also books and cds if you don't like the online version. On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 11:20 PM, Paul Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I hope this is on topic. I'm trying to find a short course on AJAX in london and having troubles finding one that is of a reasonable price (IE- less than £300 for a half day). Could anyone recommend me one or possibly a good school to look into? Thanks for any help, Paul *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** Joe Ortenzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.typingthevoid.com www.joiz.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** Joe Ortenzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.typingthevoid.com www.joiz.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Conditional styles not being used on first-run
Hello, Here is quite a good article on how to automatically version your js and css files to prevent caching issues: http://particletree.com/notebook/automatically-version-your-css-and-javascript-files/ Cheers, Ben -- e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: http://bendodson.com/ On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 5:42 AM, David Hucklesby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 23 May 2008 10:53:49 +0100, Steven Workman wrote: Hi everyone, I'm having a problem with an element I've created for my current project. It's basically a styled rounded-corner box with a title (it looks like a fieldset but is correctly structured HTML). To get all my padding working correctly I'm using conditional styles for IE6, but some users are reporting that they have to refresh their screens (press F5) in IE before the positioning works correctly! Have any of you heard of this before? Is there a way around it? Any recommendations? If it's a caching issue, as Matt Fellows suggests, consider versioning your CSS -- naming it screen_1_2.css for example. The name change will ensure that the old one is not used. Giving images, CSS, and scripts a far future expires date will speed up subsequent visits to your site, but does have the effect of sticking in the cache like this, as it is intended to do. Cordially, David -- *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: R: [WSG] Firefox skips dropdown and multi-select list with tabbing (?)
If it's a mac issue, the most usual cause is that full keyboard access isn't enabled. Solve this by going to System Preferences - Keyboard Mouse - Keyboard Shortcuts - select the All Controls radio button in the full keyboard access section at the bottom of the pane (not in the scrollable area). This drove me nuts in Firefox on a mac for ages (especially why trying to use phpMyAdmin which requires tabbing through a lot of radio buttons that Firefox would just ignore!) Hope that solves your problem :-) Ben -- e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: http://bendodson.com/ On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 1:39 AM, Essential eBiz Solutions Ltd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would say it's the mac that's causing your problems. I'm running XP Pro with Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:1.8.1.14) Gecko/20080404 Firefox/2.0.0.14 Good to see Magneto being put to good use. Still rebuilding my server to take it with it's new approach to the database connecton. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of tee Sent: 05 May 2008 00:11 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: R: [WSG] Firefox skips dropdown and multi-select list with tabbing (?) On May 4, 2008, at 4:00 PM, Essential eBiz Solutions Ltd wrote: Just tabbed through the whole checkout forms in FireFox without any problems This is VERY ODD!!! What version of FF /platform do you use? I am on Mac, FF v2.0.0.14. I wish I can capture the tabbing in action so that I can show you :( tee *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.8/1413 - Release Date: 03/05/2008 11:22 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] How to make diagonal lines change color?
Completely unrelated but a minor bugbear from me - If you disable images, then you can't read your links as they are white and the usual browser background color default is white. This can be remedied by adding a background color of black to your body so that the links will now become visible when images are disabled. You can test this easily by using the Web Developer toolbar for Firefox. Cheers, Ben -- e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: http://bendodson.com/ On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 11:54 PM, Laert Jansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello everyone. Well there´s something I want to do but I have no idea if it´s possible to be done and how would I do this. My website (www.laertjansen.com) has some two color diagonal lines as a bg. What I want to do is: On the mouse over color X it becomes color Y On the mouse over color Y it becomes color X Is it possible to be done? Thanks a lot for any help -- Laert Jansen www.laertjansen.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Dreamweaver CS3
If you're using a mac then I must highly recommend TextMate (
http://macromates.com/) as the best text-editor I've ever used. It has full
syntax highlighting but it's real power comes with snippets, code blocks
you can program yourself. For example I can type if and press tab and it
will automatically change to if ($var) { } whilst pressing tab again
highlights to each variable or block allowing you to overwrite it. You can
write your own which makes it incredibly powerful and there are hundreds
built in for all sorts of different programming languages!
I've been using it for around a year and a half now and have never had any
problems - it's also very cheap in comparison to other editors. If you're
using Windows, then someone wrote a port of TextMate called E-Texteditor
which can be got from http://e-texteditor.com/ - again very good (not quite
as good as TextMate) and allows you to use the snippets and bundles from
TextMate which makes it good in a development environment with multiple
OS's.
Ben
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On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 1:11 PM, Ted Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I use Dreamweaver in code view. However, it makes it easy to convert a
semantic marked-up word document into valid code, is easy to organize
code,
and I am used to the key commands.
That probably describes dozens of editors for different people.
If it comes with a package, you're in good shape. If not, you may want to
consider cheaper options
Ted
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I think its very handy even though i hardcode most stuff.
Its good for organizing your work flow, with document tabs and what not.
The code is pretty clean these days and theres a good built in validator.
I think even object embedding (.flvs and what not) is pretty unobtrusive.
Sorry if thats off topic.
James Jeffery wrote:
I've been thinking about buying the new version of Photoshop and
Illustrator, as i just purchased a new dual core iMac. Currently i use
BBEdit but im thinking about switching to Dreamweaver as i might
aswell purchase the creative suite. Is the new dreamweaver any good
for us developers?
This may not seem related to web standards but i feel it does because
back when i used dreamweaver - it was the days when it bloated out
your code and caused friction for many developers.
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Re: [WSG] IE8 news - stats
As mentioned previously, people with illegal copies of XP can now upgrade to IE7 - http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2007/10/04/internet-explorer-7-update.aspx Ben -- e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: http://bendodson.com/ On 09/03/2008, Andrew Boyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John, most of the IE6 users I know are not thieves, they are clients that use IE6 as part of their SOE. One organisation alone has several thousand IE6 users. They do not choose their browser, nor their O/S. Cheers, Andrew Andrew Boyd Consultant SMS Management Technology M 0413 048 542 T +61 2 6279 7100 F +61 2 6279 7101 [EMAIL PROTECTED] About SMS: Ground Floor, 8 Brindabella Circuit, CANBERRA AIRPORT ACT 2609 www.smsmt.com SMS Management Technology (SMS) [ASX:SMX] is Australia's largest, publicly listed Management Services company. We solve complex problems and transform business through Consulting, People and Technology From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Hancock [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, 9 March 2008 9:05 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] IE8 news - stats Consider that a fairly significant proportion of IE6 users cannot upgrade as they're using illegal copies of Windows XP. One of my clients did a fairly large study (anonymous) where 18% of 10,000 users were using cracked copies of Windows - I'm just wondering how much that'd sway the stats. For myself, I'd be unwilling to support people who steal rather than go to linux-based operating systems. Unfortunately, it's impossible to tell the difference! John Hancock Identity -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lea de Groot Sent: Sunday, 9 March 2008 7:01 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] IE8 news - stats Well, if you'd like some stats from a .au site with very much non-technical, typically Australian-sourced traffic: 1. Internet Explorer / Windows 44,549 80.32% 1. 7.0 23,965 53.77% 2. 6.0 20,507 46.01% 3. 5.5 47 0.11% 4. 5.0117 0.04% 5. 5.0 16 0.04% 6. 5.2311 0.02% 7. 4.5 3 0.01% 8. 4.0120.00% 9. 5.2220.00% 10. 4.0 10.00% 2. Firefox / Windows 6,581 11.86% 3. Safari / Macintosh 2,352 4.24% 4. Firefox / Macintosh 828 1.49% 5. Mozilla / Linux 623 1.12% 6. Opera / Windows 150 0.27% 7. Firefox / Linux 121 0.22% 8. Mozilla / Windows 48 0.09% 9. Konqueror / Linux 37 0.07% 10. Internet Explorer / Macintosh 24 0.04% So, 80% Windows IE, split between 7 6 - I too expect to see most of the IE7 users migrate to an IE8 Gold release quite quickly, but that IE6 will hang around for much longer. warmly, Lea -- Lea de Groot Elysian Systems Brisbane, Australia *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** NOTICE - This communication is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking any action in reliance on, this communication by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient of this communication please delete and destroy all copies and telephone SMS Management Technology on 9696 0911 immediately. Any views expressed in this Communication are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of SMS Management Technology. Except as required by law, SMS Management Technology does not represent, warrant and/or guarantee that the integrity of this communication has been maintained nor that the communication is free from errors, virus, interception or interference. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** ***
Re: [WSG] Firefox developer toolbar
At present, no it doesn't - Hopefully it will do soon though! You can keep up to date at the authors website at http://chrispederick.com/ Ben -- e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: http://bendodson.com/ On 08/03/2008, Hayden's Harness Attachment [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hope this is not off topic. I have the web developer toolbar working great with Firefox 2.x. Does the web developer toolbar support Firefox 3.0beta 3? Angus MacKinnon Infoforce Services http:ééwww.infoforce-services.com It is impossible to rightly govern the world without God and the Bible. George Washington *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Links are not hot in ie8
I agree, the page that microsoft loads by default in IE8 (their own site) breaks horribly because of an embedded map - You'd think that they would fix the start-up page of the new beta as it doesn't really give off the best impression! Ben -- e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: http://bendodson.com/ On 06/03/2008, Al Sparber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Thierry Koblentz [EMAIL PROTECTED] I think it's going to be a fun ride... http://tjkdesign.com/test/ie8/links.asp I hope people are using IE8 for its intended purpose of Technical Beta. Microsoft's own home page does not work very well and major sites (like Adobe.com and Yahoo are rendered in degrees of chaos). In the event this beta gets out in the wild and folks start using it as their default browser for general surfing, I'd recommend a little warning: http://www.projectseven.com/testing/ie8/pmm/ You'll see an alert box if you use IE8. -- Al Sparber - PVII http://www.projectseven.com Extending Dreamweaver - Nav Systems | Galleries | Widgets Authors: 42nd Street: Mastering the Art of CSS Design *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] IE8 news
It depends on how Microsoft are going to get users to upgrade - If they do a forced upgrade then that figure could go down and presumably if a service pack for vista comes out it will include IE8 in it by default so hopefully it will be more like a year and a half rather than 2 and a half. My main hope is that the number of IE6 users will decrease rapidly as there are still over 20% of the market according to the W3C statistics. Apparently Microsoft were going to do a forced upgrade from IE6 to IE7 at the end of Feb but I don't know how well that has gone (or if it has at all). Ben -- e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: http://bendodson.com/ On 06/03/2008, Genau [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How many time you guys think that will take to at least 70% of ie7 users update their browsers? I estimate 2/half years ... anyone can predict? - Original Message - From: aleagi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 5:14 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] IE8 news Yeap, it sucks! I'll find a solution to that! Regards, Luiz Gustavo Aleagi Nunes - Nosce te ipsum - http://sapiensdc.com.br On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 5:04 PM, tee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I decided to be the brave and die first IE's victim :-) Very Bad! my IE 6 is gone, IE 7 standalone is working. The installation took over 15 minutes. How do they expect we test the browser by disable the the previous version(s) ?? *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** tee On Mar 5, 2008, at 11:32 AM, aleagi wrote: Yeah, I'm afraid to install it and kick IE6 and 7 out of my box! Anyone with the guts to do it? @:D Regards. Aleagi . On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 4:25 PM, Patrick H. Lauke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anybody installed the IE8beta1 yet? http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/winfamily/ie/ie8/readiness/Install.htm Wondering if this nukes IE7 and embeds itself into Windows, or if it can run standalone... P -- Patrick H. Lauke __ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com __ Co-lead, Web Standards Project (WaSP) Accessibility Task Force http://webstandards.org/ __ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] IE8 news
The impact on XP is similar. Those not opting to allow WGA installation or attempt it but fail cannot upgrade from IE6. http://www.infoworld.com/archives/emailPrint.jsp?R=printThisA=/article/08/01/17/Microsoft-warns-businesses-of-autoupdate-to-IE7_1.html I agree with you on W2K, but XP users can now upgrade to IE7 without having to have the WGA stuff and apparently this is being forced through auto-update so there should be a noticeable drop in IE6 users. Ben -- e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: http://bendodson.com/ On 06/03/2008, Felix Miata [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2008/03/06 20:09 (GMT) Ben Dodson apparently typed: My main hope is that the number of IE6 users will decrease rapidly as there are still over 20% of the market according to the W3C statistics. Apparently Microsoft were going to do a forced upgrade from IE6 to IE7 at the end of Feb but I don't know how well that has gone (or if it has at all). IE6 won't be going away before W2K goes away, unless IE7 and/or IE8 is released for W2K. Last I checked, WGA didn't apply to W2K, leaving it as the only supported yet readily pirate-able doz version. The impact on XP is similar. Those not opting to allow WGA installation or attempt it but fail cannot upgrade from IE6. -- Let us not love with words or in talk only. Let us love by what we do. 1 John 3:18 NLV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] IE8 news
I've just installed and it seems a lot better than IE7 - A few pages I have that have differences between IE7 and firefox now render exactly like firefox which is good :-) The switch to IE7 mode is a good bonus to have but there are a few weird things such as the url in the address bar is always greyed out apart from the domain name which is a bit weird (and I can't quite understand why they'd put that in). I need to give it a full testing but it seems quite good so far! Ben -- e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: http://bendodson.com/ On 05/03/2008, Jason Gray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I gave it a go... (thanks for the link).. Installed fine... But I had to reinstall my Logitech mouse drivers... I love having to navgiate web pages using the keyboard. Just goes to show how dependant we are on the mouse! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of aleagi Sent: Thursday, 6 March 2008 7:13 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] IE8 news Ok I got it installed... Since I don't had the last updates in my machine, IE8 forced me to do it. And I did... Now I can't have IE6, it's updated! I have IE7 standalone running properlly. I'll digg to find a IE6 standalone version that worked with Ie8! For the rest, everything looks fine. Good lucky to you all! Regards, Luiz Gustavo Aleagi Nunes - Nosce te ipsum - http://sapiensdc.com.br On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 5:00 PM, Thomas Thomassen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I got a spare computer to test this on. Thanks for the heads up about the availiblity of the beta. - Original Message - From: aleagi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 8:32 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] IE8 news Yeah, I'm afraid to install it and kick IE6 and 7 out of my box! Anyone with the guts to do it? @:D Regards. Aleagi . On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 4:25 PM, Patrick H. Lauke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anybody installed the IE8beta1 yet? http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/winfamily/ie/ie8/readiness/Install .htm Wondering if this nukes IE7 and embeds itself into Windows, or if it can run standalone... P -- Patrick H. Lauke __ re.dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com __ Co-lead, Web Standards Project (WaSP) Accessibility Task Force http://webstandards.org/ __ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Experience with Adobe Contribute
Hi, The latest version of Contribute (CS3) is not actually that bad. We use it all the time for our clients at work and generally the feedback is quite good. Contribute allows you to edit the text on a page just like you would with something like Word or Dreamweaver. You can also set it to create rollbacks so if anything gets messed up you can always undo what you've done. My recommendation would be for you to download the 30 day trial from Adobes website and have a play with it yourself. You could also ask your client to download it and have a play to see if it meets their needs before you pay for a license. With regards to standards, it will edit any site but if the site you have created is standards compliant then it will output in a compliant way as well (it might not be semantic or the best way to do something but it will validate!). With creating new pages, you can either create a HTML template with which they can use for new pages, or they can simply copy an existing page and just edit the text. This is normally fine for day-to-day use. As I say, the best thing to do is to download the trial and give it a go and see if it meets your needs. Cheers, Ben -- e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: http://bendodson.com/ On 02/03/2008, Martin Heiden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Elizabeth, Saturday, March 1, 2008, 11:08:47 PM, you wrote: ES I understand that Contribute would allow them to make changes to content ES without messing with the coding/navigation. Does anyone have experience ES with this product? Is it possible/easy to set up to maintain ES standards-compliance? I once did some testing with Contribute 1.0 and didn't experience any problems with standard conformance. Contribute is a cut down Dreamweaver which only allows to change content in Dreamweaver-Templates. Adobe lately put a lot of work into Dreamweaver to make at easy to develop standards-based sites, so I guess that you won't have any problems if you change the templates. regards Martin. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Experience with Adobe Contribute
Rob Crowther wrote: As far as I'm aware, though I may be wrong - this was Contribute 3 and I didn't look in too much detail, you can't force users to only use styles out of your existing stylesheets. In Contribute CS3 you can set it up so that they can only use styles from a specific style sheet. You can also set it so that they can't control font size, colours, etc, etc. We do this for all of our clients as when we didn't they managed to break their websites within about 30 minutes! Ben -- e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: http://bendodson.com/ On 02/03/2008, Rob Crowther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Elizabeth Spiegel wrote: I understand that Contribute would allow them to make changes to content without messing with the coding/navigation. Does anyone have experience with this product? Is it possible/easy to set up to maintain standards-compliance? You can limit the areas they can edit by using Dreamweaver templates, and there are a number of options within Contribute where you force standards compliance, but some strange stuff will still happen. For instance, if one of your users decides they want a nice, bright red message in the middle of their copy it achieves this by adding a style section in the head of the document. The style section will not be automatically removed if the red text is deleted. As far as I'm aware, though I may be wrong - this was Contribute 3 and I didn't look in too much detail, you can't force users to only use styles out of your existing stylesheets. Rob *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Unobtrusive JavaScript (was: generate data)
Hi, Although I'm a jQuery man myself, it's good to see someone actively encouraging the use of unobtrusive javascript although I would make one or two tweaks. Wouldn't it be better to add your class hooks to the p rather than to an a as at present, if the user had javascript disabled then they would have a link saying toggle that would take them to the top of the page if clicked. Even better would be to insert the a using javascript so that if you have javascript disabled you don't even get the option to toggle visibility - the item is just there. Just a thought! Cheers, Ben -- e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: http://www.bendodson.com/ On 26/02/2008, Chris Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I've written a small set of helper functions that will allow you to unobtrusively add JavaScript to a web page. It's built on the back off the prototype library so you'll need that as well. See the details here: http://www.stillbreathing.co.uk/projects/performer/performer.html A couple of examples. 1) If you want to create a toggling element you can do this: pa href=# class=togger rel=toggleelementToggle the visibility of the toggleelement element/a/p div class=hider id=toggleelementThis element will be toggleable (is that a word?)/div The hider class on the toggleable element will hide the element only if JS is enabled, so if it's not the element will never be hidden. Of course you can add additional classes both to the link and the toggleable element, and you can set the href attribute of the link to whatever you want. 2) Loading remote content into an element (known as AJAX) pa href=# class=loader rel=targetelement rev=targetpage.phpLoad content/a/p p id=targetelementTarget element/p When the link with class loader is clicked the element with the id targetelement will be filled with the content from the targetpage.php page. If anyone needs any more information please get in touch. Chris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ray Leventhal Sent: 25 February 2008 20:20 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] re: generate data tee wrote: Hi, I really enjoyed reading this thread, especially the responses from Georg and Breton, and thank you Dwain for asking the question. I have heard a lot about unobtrusive js but thus far it's more like a buzzword to me because I understand no JS. Can one recommend which JS library is more accessibility user-friendly (is there such word?!). I know the jquery, mootool, prototype, Dojo, Extjs, YUI libraries, and have recently used the jquery for accordion menu and prototype for glider (sliding gallery like the one in Panic.com), but I don't know enough to settle for one that is relatively small size and unobtrusive. Everybody claims he is unobtrusive, and I have difficulty to settle down with one. Thanks! Hi tee, An interesting thread indeed. I can't recommend any JS libraries as I'm only now cutting my teeth on JS, but I can wholeheartedly recommend a book on JS which focuses on graceful degradation and manipulation of the DOM: DOM Scripting: Web Design with JavaScript and the Document Object Model by Jeremy Keith HTH, -Ray *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** This message has been scanned for malware by SurfControl plc. www.surfcontrol.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] [ADMIN] MIND YOUR OOO MESSAGE!
You could surely block all emails that have out of office in the subject that would cut out about 90% of them! Ben -- e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: http://www.bendodson.com/ On 21/12/2007, Chris Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I belong to 20+ email lists, yet this is the ONLY list upon which OOF messages show up. I'm sure the many thousands of members on those lists aren't that conscientious. There has to be something that YAHOO and other list programs are doing to prevent them from getting through. And it can't be that complicated, since some of them are managed by non-technical individuals. From: Lea de Groot [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WSG] [ADMIN] MIND YOUR OOO MESSAGE! SO! Make sure you set your Out Of Office message so it doesn't reply to your mailing lists. It takes a little more effort, but it stops us thinking you're a dork. And you aren't one. (Are you?) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Markup an Address?
Looking for best practice markup for addresses. There is an ADDRESS attribute in HTML but this is usually for the purpose of defining the address of the author (rather than the address of what you're discussing in the content). The best thing to do would be to use the hCard microformat which is specifically designed for displaying contact information - find out more at http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard - There are quite a few examples there and links to live sites so you can see how they've coded the address. Ben -- e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: http://www.bendodson.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] (X)HTML Best Practice Sheet goes live
It's http://keryx.se/resources/html-elements.xhtml (hyphen instead of underscore). -- e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: http://www.bendodson.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Site check Please - new thread
http://web-strategists.com:888 You've got a transparent background-color set somewhere as all of the white space on the sides of the content and under the footer is currently browser default (mine is set to pink so I can see sites that aren't defining background-colors!). This prob isn't much of a problem but everyone should be aware that people might have changed their browser default and it'll make your site look bad. Nice site though :-) Ben -- e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: http://www.bendodson.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] colour matching transparent png files
Please don't give up on PNG for the sake of one old make of browser! Give IE 5/6 Windows its own style that's usable but not quite as pretty. That has 42.3% of the market share. http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp I use 24bit transparent pngs on my sites and then use a behavior.htc file to correct it in IE5 / 6 Windows - works fine (apart from with background-image as positions don't work so well). Ben -- e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: http://www.bendodson.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Site Check: lagunadesigns.com.au
Hey Dylan, Great job on the site - it looks really good! I particularly like the way you've added click to return home on your logo, a really nice touch. Only criticism I would say is not to do with the standards or anything, but I'd give a rough idea of how long it takes you to build each type of website (e..g personal - 3-5 days, etc) Anyway, nice site! Ben -- e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: http://www.bendodson.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Javascript to check for Handheld Devices
Search Engines don't read JavaScript but the question wasn't about search. Lots of mobile devices think that they are actually screen browsers so this may be causing some problems - My phone (Nokia N73) has 2 browsers; one that reads handheld sheets and one that reads screen sheets. Can I ask what javascript you are trying to serve that would be different on a handheld browser rather than a screen browser? Ben On 01/03/07, Tim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Will major search engines for phones take any notice of javascript? Google http://www.google.com/xhtml/ Ask http://m.ask.com/ They ignore stylesheets even if you make one for small screens! They strip the page headers of meta tags, linked javascript gone is my guess? Should we give up making pages for small screen? Just W3C validate and accessibility test. Some user agents in server logs show a different user agent phone type like nokia et al. Tim On 01/03/2007, at 8:25 PM, Lee Powell wrote: Hi I'm currently developing a stylesheet for handheld devices. However while testing I have noticed that the javascript I've written for screen browsers is still being implemented while testing with handhelds, causing a few problems. Does anyone have any advice on how I can check if the device accessing the page is handheld or screen and offer up the relevant javascript? Thanks Lee *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** The Editor Heretic Press http://www.hereticpress.com Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: http://www.bendodson.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
