Re: [WSG] Chrome mystery with width of element
brilliant! Thanks mate. On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 3:22 PM, tee weblis...@gmail.com wrote: http://d3895.mysite.westnethosting.com.au/ In other browsers it works ok. I see it in Safari too. Version 4.0.4 (6531.21.10) Giving a width to testimony does the trick. Speaking of Chrome, I find the Mac version quite buggy. tee *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** -- JP2 Designs http://www.jp2designs.com http://www.kick2kick.net http://www.germworks.net http://www.wotuthink.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Div misbehaving in Safari
Thanks a lot Tee!!
It does help.
Jermayn
On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 3:39 PM, tee weblis...@gmail.com wrote:
On Jan 31, 2010, at 10:03 PM, Jeramy Parker wrote:
Hi,
I have inherited a website (http://www.koomaldreaming.com.au)
change your menu wrapper to this and it will bring your content back
You have this:
#menuCont{
float:left;
width:1000px;
height:31px;
}
change it to this:
#menuCont{
overflow: hidden;
width:1000px;
height:31px;}
Reaon:
When a floated div block (#menuCount) meets a a div block that has relative
postion (#contBox) with absolute positon after it, throw Safari (now Google
Chrome too) out of whack.
I am not sure if it's a webkit bug or that other browsers interpret it wrong
(menaing ignore the spec) as this is a very common thing i see in webkit
browser from previous version too.
p/s. You should get rid of absolute position in #textCount (you are mixing
float and absolute position) and get rid of the top/left, use padding instead.
Hope this helps!
tee
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[WSG] Div misbehaving in Safari
Hi, I have inherited a website (http://www.koomaldreaming.com.au) with my new job and in Safari and Chrome 3.x I have the content div floating away from where it should be outside of the container div to the right. Any suggestions or help? Thanks in advance -- JP2 Designs http://www.jp2designs.com http://www.kick2kick.net http://www.germworks.net http://www.wotuthink.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Should we design for 800x600 screens?
Rochester oliveira wrote: adapt to user's needs That is the key. If the users are technical you would not bother designing for 800 x 600 screens if the users are internal and they work on smaller screens, you would. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] tableless forms !!!
best to use are fieldsets and in the fieldsets you can either use p tags or lists (depending on what side you swing) On Feb 13, 2008 3:01 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi , Could anyone tell me which is the best way to build a form without tables in w3c standards. I would really appreciate if you can provide a good referral link. J Thanks a ton in advance.. Thanking you Naveen Bhaskar *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- JP2 Designs http://www.jp2designs.com http://www.germworks.net *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] use of p in li
What if you need to have 'two' paragraphs? would it not make more sense than to style a br??? On Feb 11, 2008 12:06 PM, Ben Buchanan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, You don't need the p inside the li (although it's ok to put on in there it's not required). It's fine to just style the li. So unless you have a specific need for the extra tag I'd leave it out. cheers, Ben On 11/02/2008, Taco Fleur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello all, I've been wondering about this for a while, just hesitated to ask (as it could be a stupid question). I've always been using p within olli (example, see state list on www.web-designers-australia.com) However, I see many people use a list without p tags, and style the text within the list item by creating a duplicate style of the paragraph tag. Just wondering, what is the way to go? Thanks *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- --- http://weblog.200ok.com.au/ --- The future has arrived; it's just not --- evenly distributed. - William Gibson *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- JP2 Designs http://www.jp2designs.com http://www.germworks.net *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Styling forms
I got a better theory on why lists are used for forms... people have fallen for lists and believe that they are the bees knees for every (x)html problem they encounter. Chris Knowles [EMAIL PROTECTED] 8/02/2008 6:53:08 am Michael Horowitz wrote: I've been looking at styling forms and I'm seeing some people mark them up as ordered lists and other using paragraphs. What are the arguments for the different markup types. from what I can see the reason lists have come into use in forms has a lot to do with javascript libraries that have re-ordering of elements by drag and drop that tend to work mainly on lists. Therefore lists are useful to wrap form elements if you are creating form building software so the form elements can be easily reordered by non-technical users. -- Chris Knowles *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** ** The above message has been scanned and meets the Insurance Commission of Western Australia's Email security requirements for inbound transmission. ** The above message has been scanned and meets the Insurance Commission of Western Australia's Email security policy requirements for outbound transmission. This email (facsimile) and any attachments may be confidential and privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (facsimile) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email (facsimile) in error please contact the Insurance Commission. Web: www.icwa.wa.gov.au Phone: +61 08 9264 * *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Styling forms
good question!! I personally used to use lists then i realised that paragraphs actually use these code (both html and css) and is easier to stylise! I wrote some of my thoughts hear a week or so ago! http://germworks.net/blog/2008/01/23/lists-p-whats-best-for-forms/ On Feb 6, 2008 12:38 PM, Michael Horowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been looking at styling forms and I'm seeing some people mark them up as ordered lists and other using paragraphs. What are the arguments for the different markup types. -- Michael Horowitz Your Computer Consultant http://yourcomputerconsultant.com 561-394-9079 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- JP2 Designs http://www.jp2designs.com http://www.germworks.net *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] This IE8 controversy
nothing is wrong with it!! saves times, money, grey hairs and we will all live longer happier lives! If you have a web-based application that will break in IE8, then whats so wrong with adding an HTTP header or a meta tag to say 'use IE7' ? The above message has been scanned and meets the Insurance Commission of Western Australia's Email security policy requirements for outbound transmission. This email (facsimile) and any attachments may be confidential and privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (facsimile) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email (facsimile) in error please contact the Insurance Commission. Web: www.icwa.wa.gov.au Phone: +61 08 9264 * *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] This IE8 controversy
and then we will see the infamous pre-2000 days with websites reading: This is best viewed using Internet Explorer 6 Patrick H. Lauke [EMAIL PROTECTED] 30/01/2008 11:55:19 am Karl Lurman wrote: I think the thing to remember here is that, over time, the older browsers will be phased out. Jokes aside. As the older browsers FINALLY become less important, YEARS from now, they can eliminate the meta-tag altogether. But the crappy intranet sites etc that are coded specifically to IE6 or IE7's quirks *won't* go away (as that's the whole reason why MS are doing this), so no, the meta tag (and the associated rendering engine) will stay. If they're freezing rendering unless you opt-in because corporates won't update the sites now, what makes you think that they will ever update the sites? Come IE9, the argument will be the same: since IE8 rendered as IE7 by default, we can't now default to standards in IE9 because it would break the sites that didn't have to be updated last time around because of the switch...so, the switch stays. P -- ** The above message has been scanned and meets the Insurance Commission of Western Australia's Email security policy requirements for outbound transmission. This email (facsimile) and any attachments may be confidential and privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (facsimile) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email (facsimile) in error please contact the Insurance Commission. Web: www.icwa.wa.gov.au Phone: +61 08 9264 * *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] This IE8 controversy
Just keep the website to look and behave right in IE7 then! and create every new website or important/ re-designed websites with the new target IE8 tags! sounds quite simple to me. Maybe not the most perfect but you cannot expect everything to jump over night! Christian Snodgrass [EMAIL PROTECTED] 30/01/2008 9:15:48 am Chris Knowles wrote: Chris Broadfoot wrote: Chris Knowles wrote: I don't see how opting-in to standards by adding a meta tag does anything for me or anyone else. Except for Microsoft of course, by allowing them to do the right thing at last and create a decent browser while at the same time not doing the right thing and ignoring the mess they created. I don't think they're ignoring the mess they created at all.. Is adding a meta tag really too much work to provide your users/visitors the viewing experience they should have? Yeah actually I agree, they're not ignoring the mess. Just actively covering it up by enlisting yours and my support. My users/visitors should get the right viewing experience by default, not by having to opt-in. On the contrary, if you wish your users/visitors to NOT get the right viewing experience, is opting-out by adding a meta tag really too much work? The biggest problem is the fact that if they don't have it be the opt-in option, that any older sites that used all of the hacks that made it work in IE6 and IE7 won't work in IE8. That probably includes even a lot of your own sites. Beyond that (since they could just make it ignore those types of hacks which wouldn't be difficult), is pages even older, and especially those web-based applications that relied on those hacks. It's the lesser of two evils, but it's still a huge pain. -- Christian Snodgrass Azure Ronin Web Design http://www.arwebdesign.net/ http://www.arwebdesign.net Phone: 859.816.7955 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** ** The above message has been scanned and meets the Insurance Commission of Western Australia's Email security requirements for inbound transmission. ** The above message has been scanned and meets the Insurance Commission of Western Australia's Email security policy requirements for outbound transmission. This email (facsimile) and any attachments may be confidential and privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (facsimile) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email (facsimile) in error please contact the Insurance Commission. Web: www.icwa.wa.gov.au Phone: +61 08 9264 * *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] SIte Maps?
The way I personally do sitemaps (if i decide to do them) is use the google sitemaps tool and keep it as a xml document and just make sure that your navigation is easy enough so people can access the content without getting lost. IMO if you create a sitemap so people can get to a location, the navigation obviously needs working on. Sitemap is just a bandaide to the bigger problem. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 22/11/2007 8:55:12 am I thought the site map was clear and it was easy to discern if what you want os on the site - saves time and effort. Good job Julie Hale Senior Consultant SMS Managment and Technology From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 1:44 AM To: 'wsg@webstandardsgroup.org' Subject: RE: [WSG] SIte Maps? But even for a relatively small site having a sitemap will help some users find what they want quickly. Those people are the same ones who will scan the index of a book before flicking through the pages. I've done that on this site: http://www.2plan.com/ despite it only being 15 pages or so. Does anyone think that is overkill? Chris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christian Montoya Sent: 21 November 2007 14:26 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] SIte Maps? On Nov 20, 2007 7:04 PM, Jermayn Parker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In coming in late to the discussion: Do we really need a sitemap? I recently read an article were it talked that if all the seo was done properly and it was smallish, you probably do not need a sitemap. I remember that article too. It was saying that a sitemap is meant to expose pages of your site that are difficult to reach for a search spider that starts at the homepage. If you have a working link structure and anyone can reach any page of your site by just following all the links, everything is already exposed and you don't need a sitemap. -- -- Christian Montoya christianmontoya.net *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** This message has been scanned for malware by SurfControl plc. www.surfcontrol.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you received this message in error or are not the intended recipient, you should destroy the e-mail message and any attachments or copies, and you are prohibited from retaining, distributing, disclosing or using any information contained herein. Please note that any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the Company. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The Company accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. Thank you for your cooperation. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** ** The above message has been scanned and meets the Insurance Commission of Western Australia's Email security requirements for inbound transmission. ** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] question about max-width's behaviour
good example of this is: http://www.456bereastreet.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] 22/11/2007 9:53:08 am But my testing shows that, with a max-width of 60em, a 1680px wide monitor, when a browser is opened in full screen, with fontsize increases, the page just continued expanding until it reaches 1680px full screen. This is because em is a measuring unit relative to the font size of the page, so as you increase the font size, the size of 1 em increases as well, and therefore your max-width of 60em gets larger and larger. Tee G. Peng wrote: I thought max-width tells the browser: This is the limit of the width you can expand, regardless how big the screen is. But my testing shows that, with a max-width of 60em, a 1680px wide monitor, when a browser is opened in full screen, with fontsize increases, the page just continued expanding until it reaches 1680px full screen. If I drag the screen to the second monitor, it keeps expanding. If I make the screen smaller to 900px, then expansion stop there. Am I missing somthing? I tried setting a max-width of 1024px and 60em width , it doesn't work, my test shows that FF and Safari ignore the max-width. tee *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** ** The above message has been scanned and meets the Insurance Commission of Western Australia's Email security requirements for inbound transmission. ** The above message has been scanned and meets the Insurance Commission of Western Australia's Email security policy requirements for outbound transmission. This email (facsimile) and any attachments may be confidential and privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (facsimile) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email (facsimile) in error please contact the Insurance Commission. Web: www.icwa.wa.gov.au Phone: +61 08 9264 * *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] SIte Maps?
In coming in late to the discussion: Do we really need a sitemap? I recently read an article were it talked that if all the seo was done properly and it was smallish, you probably do not need a sitemap. On Nov 21, 2007 3:28 AM, Designer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just to say: Thanks for the responses. All interesting. Bob www.gwelanmor-internet.co.uk *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Page shift in IE6
Dont know if this will help or not BUT I had some similar problems previously and wrote about some of the solutions http://germworks.net/blog/2007/08/28/how-to-fix-content-jumping-in-ie/ On Nov 21, 2007 9:31 AM, John Faulds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi I've got a page shift happening when you hover over certain elements in the right column on this page: http://www.gbjt.org.au/competitions/enrolment/ It happens when you hover over the links in the top box and over any of the form inputs, but not on the links in the two smaller boxes. I know that these sorts of shifts are usually due to hasLayout issues, and I've been adding height and zoom to various elements but I can't seem to find how to solve it. :/ It's also related to the max-width expression I'm using on the wrapper because if I take it out it disappears. Can anyone see what I'm missing? Cheers John -- Tyssen Design www.tyssendesign.com.au Ph: (07) 3300 3303 Mb: 0405 678 590 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- JP2 Designs http://www.jp2designs.com http://www.germworks.net *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] introducing a prompt to download or open a pdf
debatable about opening in new windows but its best to use a pdf icon with size next to the link. On 10/16/07, dwain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i know that this has come up before, but would someone point me to best practices to introduce a prompt to open or download a pdf or any file for that matter? dwain -- dwain alford The artist may use any form which his expression demands; for his inner impulse must find suitable expression. Kandinsky *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- JP2 Designs http://www.jp2designs.com http://www.germworks.net *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] source order
Put the 'main' 4-5 menu links up the top and then content with the extra navigation (sidebar of blogs etc) afterwards or even not include it in the mobile css [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/10/2007 10:24:30 am An endless debate. And this is before opening up the other aspect of the debate... How source order affects Google rank :) also .. what about users of small-screen devices like mobile phones where lots of scrolling quickly becomes a pain? then to make matter worse there is the issue of widely varying (sometimes limited or none at all) support for css on different mobile devices... *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** ** The above message has been scanned and meets the Insurance Commission of Western Australia's Email security requirements for inbound transmission. ** The above message has been scanned and meets the Insurance Commission of Western Australia's Email security policy requirements for outbound transmission. This email (facsimile) and any attachments may be confidential and privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (facsimile) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email (facsimile) in error please contact the Insurance Commission. Web: www.icwa.wa.gov.au Phone: +61 08 9264 * *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: A: [WSG] Target Lawsuit - Please Make Yourself Heard
1992 that is 15 years ago :shock: surely its time for a new updated version that includes up to date web version of rules etc. If you want businesses and websites to follow these standards they need to be update In Australia, for example, web accessibility hinges on the Disability Act of 1992 http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/dda1992264/ The above message has been scanned and meets the Insurance Commission of Western Australia's Email security policy requirements for outbound transmission. This email (facsimile) and any attachments may be confidential and privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (facsimile) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email (facsimile) in error please contact the Insurance Commission. Web: www.icwa.wa.gov.au Phone: +61 08 9264 * *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Equal Height Columns/OTL background images
Hi it can get annoying hey I had the same problem with a previous website, I cannot remember what i did excatly (used inner and outer divs I think) but your more than welcome to look at the code. http://www.phillipwrayracing.com Hope that helps Jermayn [EMAIL PROTECTED] 20/09/2007 2:36:47 pm Hi all, I've got this design that requires equal height columns *and* background images positioned at the bottom of each column. I'm using the One True Layout Equal Height Columns technique, but can't for the life of me figure out how to prevent a bottom-aligned background image from disappearing into the 30thousand pixel padding void the technique depends upon. The heights are fluid, the widths is fixed. Am I barking up the wrong tree? Any help appreciated! Josh -- Joshua Street http://josh.st/blog/ +61 (0) 425 808 469 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** ** The above message has been scanned and meets the Insurance Commission of Western Australia's Email security requirements for inbound transmission. ** The above message has been scanned and meets the Insurance Commission of Western Australia's Email security policy requirements for outbound transmission. This email (facsimile) and any attachments may be confidential and privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (facsimile) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email (facsimile) in error please contact the Insurance Commission. Web: www.icwa.wa.gov.au Phone: +61 08 9264 * *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] How many of us are public and how many private?
I am personally both!! I do not think many people stay in the one field and most 'swing' between corporate and government/ school etc On 9/12/07, John Horner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've noticed that a lot of articles about web design seem to assume that the web developer/designer is working in the commercial sector, and often it's assumed that we're freelance too. As an example, we'll often see arguments on here based on the target audience meaning e.g. that you're designing a website designed to sell a product -- your product is nappies, therefore your audience is parents with babies. Public websites often have a target audience of everyone. Lots of web content gets made, as Richard Stallman said about software, just because it needs to be made: shrink-wrapped, boxed commercial software is the tip of the iceberg compared to all the apps and drivers and utilities and tools in the world which are created without any thought of profit, simply because they're needed. So I wonder, how many people on this list are in the commercial sector and how many are in the non-profit / public / government / education sector? == The information contained in this email and any attachment is confidential and may contain legally privileged or copyright material. It is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are not permitted to disseminate, distribute or copy this email or any attachments. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this email from your system. The ABC does not represent or warrant that this transmission is secure or virus free. Before opening any attachment you should check for viruses. The ABC's liability is limited to resupplying any email and attachments == *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- JP2 Designs http://www.jp2designs.com http://www.germworks.net *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Popup 'box' on hover
Just a question, does it have to be enlarged on hover?? That can be pretty messy and ugly if you mouse over it by accident. I would think onclick would be a better option with arrows to go to the next image etc like lightbox. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23/08/2007 10:23:53 pm Hi, A client would like functionality similar to that used on istockphoto.com - i.e. that a 'popup' window is displayed with a larger image and some text when the user hovers over a thumbnail image. e.g. Can I do this with CSS in a standards-compliant and works cross-browser way? Any pointers or references to example code gratefully received. Thanks, Nick -- Nick Roper partner logical elements *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** ** The above message has been scanned and meets the Insurance Commission of Western Australia's Email security requirements for inbound transmission. ** The above message has been scanned and meets the Insurance Commission of Western Australia's Email security policy requirements for outbound transmission. This email (facsimile) and any attachments may be confidential and privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (facsimile) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email (facsimile) in error please contact the Insurance Commission. Web: www.icwa.wa.gov.au Phone: +61 08 9264 * *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] setting fontsize in body
one out of every three people have bad eye sight... this was one of the very few things I actually learnt at university [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9/08/2007 2:27:29 pm On 2007/08/07 20:38 (GMT+0100) Alastair Campbell apparently typed: You could take Jacob Neilsons finding that small fonts were the most popular 'mistake' as proof that people don't know how to change their settings Or you could take it as proof that web designers as a group have perfect vision, and fail to understand normal web users as a group do not have perfect vision, resulting in fonts on web pages just right for most web designers and too small for most others. We are caught in something of a catch-22, as so many sites use small fonts compared to the default, or simply reducing the default because so many people don't know how to change it. Nielsen isn't the only one who has observed that designers impose text sizes smaller than the rest of the world prefers or requires. Note the first data point on Fixing The Web: Millions of people cannot participate fully online because most Web sites are built for people with perfect vision and the manual dexterity needed to operate a mouse. http://xhtml.com/en/future/fixing-the-web-1/ -- It is impossible to rightly govern the world without God and the Bible.George Washington Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** ** The above message has been scanned and meets the Insurance Commission of Western Australia's Email security requirements for inbound transmission. ** The above message has been scanned and meets the Insurance Commission of Western Australia's Email security policy requirements for outbound transmission. This email (facsimile) and any attachments may be confidential and privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (facsimile) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email (facsimile) in error please contact the Insurance Commission. Web: www.icwa.wa.gov.au Phone: +61 08 9264 * *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] IE: footer jumping
Hi peoples: When viewing this website I am in the middle of designing (http://www.jubileeworldharvest.com.au/Warriors) and I scroll over the menu (top) the footer jumps up a few em's Any idea on this?? I think I remember something about this Also if anyone has ie6, can they please let me know if the content background is transparent Thanks so much for this Take care The above message has been scanned and meets the Insurance Commission of Western Australia's Email security policy requirements for outbound transmission. This email (facsimile) and any attachments may be confidential and privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (facsimile) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email (facsimile) in error please contact the Insurance Commission. Web: www.icwa.wa.gov.au Phone: +61 08 9264 * *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] IE: footer jumping
when i test it with the 1% height, the jumping stops like u said but how do
I test it for what the problem is??
sorry if this sounds a dumb question
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Stuff jumping around like that in IE usually indicates a hasLayout issue.
An easy way to test is to do * { height: 1% }; it'll probably do strange
things to the layout, but if it stops the jumping, you know you then only
have to narrow it down to the offending element.
And no, the background's not transparent.
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When viewing this website I am in the middle of designing
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Any idea on this??
I think I remember something about this
Also if anyone has ie6, can they please let me know if the content
background is transparent
Thanks so much for this
Take care
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Re: [WSG] IE: footer jumping
thanks for the dumb down explanation :)
that makes sense :D
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 9/08/2007 5:58:14 pm
You narrow it down progressively by applying it to different elements
until you find the right one, e.g. #container * { }, #header * {},
#footer
* {} etc. When you work out it's in one of those larger containers, you
can then test individual elements.
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when i test it with the 1% height, the jumping stops like u said but
how
do
I test it for what the problem is??
sorry if this sounds a dumb question
On 8/9/07, John Faulds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Stuff jumping around like that in IE usually indicates a hasLayout
issue.
An easy way to test is to do * { height: 1% }; it'll probably do
strange
things to the layout, but if it stops the jumping, you know you then
only
have to narrow it down to the offending element.
And no, the background's not transparent.
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi peoples:
When viewing this website I am in the middle of designing
(http://www.jubileeworldharvest.com.au/Warriors) and I scroll over
the
menu (top) the footer jumps up a few em's
Any idea on this??
I think I remember something about this
Also if anyone has ie6, can they please let me know if the
content
background is transparent
Thanks so much for this
Take care
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Re: [WSG] opinions on the sale of .com.au domain names
to be honest I like the strict rules of .com.au Q1: NO Q2: NO JP2 Designs Jermayn Parker 0407 996 820 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9/08/2007 8:38:53 am Hi all, just a two question survey on australian domain names (.com.au) Background : As it stands currently, the policy set out in relation to Australian domain names, prohibits you from selling a .com.au domain name to another person other than in some circumstances such as : selling the name with your business, liquidation etc. Q1: Do you think you should be allowed to sell a .com.au domain name .. YES / NO Q2: Do you think you should be able to sell a .com.au domain name by any means necessary, such as newspaper ads, website advertisements, ebay or by any other similar medium .. YES / NO Please reply with your business name, contact name and hone number, and the answers to the two questions. Thank you for your time Matthew *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** ** The above message has been scanned and meets the Insurance Commission of Western Australia's Email security requirements for inbound transmission. ** The above message has been scanned and meets the Insurance Commission of Western Australia's Email security policy requirements for outbound transmission. This email (facsimile) and any attachments may be confidential and privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (facsimile) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email (facsimile) in error please contact the Insurance Commission. Web: www.icwa.wa.gov.au Phone: +61 08 9264 * *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] an inline element (inside a block element) sibling ofanother block element
OK thanks. I assumed it was a no no as it does not make sense but I have learnt that making sense is not always a W3C thing :) In the templates that I recieved, the code looked like: div jhd jhd hwd wqdkh br /br / pkhdj jwhd jhwqdj hwd/p /div This actually does not view the same in every browser. In FF it showed up as a seperate paragraph but in IE it did not, it just broke the paragraph to the next line. I noted it hear on my blog http://germworks.net/blog/2007/04/05/inappropriate-use-of-p/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] 27/07/2007 9:03:58 am It appears that it is a no-no, or at least will become so. Does that mean you should go back and redo all your sites? Nope. AFAIK, every browser will handle this just fine, at least for the foreseeable future. The above message has been scanned and meets the Insurance Commission of Western Australia's Email security policy requirements for outbound transmission. This email (facsimile) and any attachments may be confidential and privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (facsimile) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email (facsimile) in error please contact the Insurance Commission. Web: www.icwa.wa.gov.au Phone: +61 08 9264 * *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] an inline element (inside a block element) sibling ofanother block element
Just how can this be valid?? the way i see it that ifyou have a paragraph or text it needs to be contained by a p tag or other similar tags [EMAIL PROTECTED] 27/07/2007 9:43:17 am uhoh, I think perhaps my wording might have confused you. It apparently will NOT allowed in the future, but for now, such markup Validates in Strict XHTML and HTML4. Hope that clarifies. btw, that different browsers render it differently is of course no surprise. This is, at least in part, due to differing default css values in each browser. -- E. Michael Brandt www.divaHTML.com divaGPS : you-are-here menu highlighting divaFAQ : FAQ pages with pizazz www.valleywebdesigns.com JustSo PictureWindow JustSo PhotoAlbum -- Jermayn Parker wrote: OK thanks. I assumed it was a no no as it does not make sense but I have learnt that making sense is not always a W3C thing :) In the templates that I recieved, the code looked like: div jhd jhd hwd wqdkh br /br / pkhdj jwhd jhwqdj hwd/p /div This actually does not view the same in every browser. In FF it showed up as a seperate paragraph but in IE it did not, it just broke the paragraph to the next line. I noted it hear on my blog http://germworks.net/blog/2007/04/05/inappropriate-use-of-p/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] 27/07/2007 9:03:58 am It appears that it is a no-no, or at least will become so. Does that mean you should go back and redo all your sites? Nope. AFAIK, every browser will handle this just fine, at least for the foreseeable future. The above message has been scanned and meets the Insurance Commission of Western Australia's Email security policy requirements for outbound transmission. This email (facsimile) and any attachments may be confidential and privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (facsimile) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email (facsimile) in error please contact the Insurance Commission. Web: www.icwa.wa.gov.au Phone: +61 08 9264 * *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** ** The above message has been scanned and meets the Insurance Commission of Western Australia's Email security requirements for inbound transmission. ** The above message has been scanned and meets the Insurance Commission of Western Australia's Email security policy requirements for outbound transmission. This email (facsimile) and any attachments may be confidential and privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (facsimile) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email (facsimile) in error please contact the Insurance Commission. Web: www.icwa.wa.gov.au Phone: +61 08 9264 * *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] an inline element (inside a block element) sibling ofanother block element
Could someone please give me the answer to this in plain english.. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 25/07/2007 4:04:18 pm div A line of plain text. pA paragraph./p Another line of text. /div Now a question, Is this actually valid?? I recently recieved some templates of another designer and this was scattered all throughout the pages. I went through and put p around them BUT is it valid??? Or is it a case of in Transitional DTD its ok but Strict DTD it is not?? Why not to check it? From HTML 4.01 Strict DTD: Let's see DIV: !ELEMENT DIV - - (%flow;)*-- generic language/style container -- Ok, now let's look up what is %flow: !ENTITY % flow %block; | %inline; Checking %inline: !ENTITY % inline #PCDATA | %fontstyle; | %phrase; | %special; | %formctrl; Just to make sure - %special: !ENTITY % special A | IMG | OBJECT | BR | SCRIPT | MAP | Q | SUB | SUP | SPAN | BDO Woohoo, A is here. Case closed. The above message has been scanned and meets the Insurance Commission of Western Australia's Email security policy requirements for outbound transmission. This email (facsimile) and any attachments may be confidential and privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (facsimile) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email (facsimile) in error please contact the Insurance Commission. Web: www.icwa.wa.gov.au Phone: +61 08 9264 * *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] an inline element (inside a block element) sibling ofanother block element
I am not an expert but from what I understand text, links etc need to be held in block elements ie: p etc for it to semanticly correct. Guessing this is were POSH comes into play. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 27/07/2007 11:18:45 am I just came across some code on a website that I'm maintaining and realized this is what this thread is about. The code I see is: div class=nav_sub_left a href=../news.htmlNews lt;/a pTestimonials lt;/p pa href=links.htmlPartner Links lt;/a/p /div Are you all saying it's not good that the first line in the div tag doesn't have paragraph tags around it? What if the extra space a paragraph tag would give is not wanted? Maybe I didn't study this thread well enough. The above message has been scanned and meets the Insurance Commission of Western Australia's Email security policy requirements for outbound transmission. This email (facsimile) and any attachments may be confidential and privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (facsimile) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email (facsimile) in error please contact the Insurance Commission. Web: www.icwa.wa.gov.au Phone: +61 08 9264 * *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Using target=_blank
Unless im mistaken the original question was asking about some ideas to sell strict DTD to the client (which means no target=blank code) and not whether users/ designers prefer to have windows open in seperate windows. That discussion was last week, so discuss in that. about the original question, this is a good question. We as designers know why you do it like that but the clients dont and it is our job to explain the technical jargon into simple language for the client, this is usually the hardest thing about our job. The best two ways I describe this 'problem', is one: the back button is one of the most used buttons and you will confuse the user and they wont come back. two: let the user decide how they browse and use your website, its about them. I know these have already been discussed :) [EMAIL PROTECTED] 24/07/2007 9:49:12 pm Hi all, With the XHTML Strict DTD, forcing a new window to open for a link via target=_blank is not a valid semantic method anymore. I myself believe that whether to open in a new or current window should be user decision, not wed designer/developer. If I am using Strict DTD, the only way to achieve opening the new window is through JavaScripts. So what argument should I give to my clients not to use target=_blank ? If I say that won't validate your page, they won't care. So any non-technical argument that I can give to them? Ryan *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** ** The above message has been scanned and meets the Insurance Commission of Western Australia's Email security requirements for inbound transmission. ** The above message has been scanned and meets the Insurance Commission of Western Australia's Email security policy requirements for outbound transmission. This email (facsimile) and any attachments may be confidential and privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (facsimile) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email (facsimile) in error please contact the Insurance Commission. Web: www.icwa.wa.gov.au Phone: +61 08 9264 * *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] an inline element (inside a block element) sibling of another block element
div A line of plain text. pA paragraph./p Another line of text. /div Now a question, Is this actually valid?? I recently recieved some templates of another designer and this was scattered all throughout the pages. I went through and put p around them BUT is it valid??? Or is it a case of in Transitional DTD its ok but Strict DTD it is not?? Thanks :D The above message has been scanned and meets the Insurance Commission of Western Australia's Email security policy requirements for outbound transmission. This email (facsimile) and any attachments may be confidential and privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (facsimile) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email (facsimile) in error please contact the Insurance Commission. Web: www.icwa.wa.gov.au Phone: +61 08 9264 * *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] To target or not
We as web designers provide a service to our customers and clients of the website etc so in doing that we need to provide a service that allows the user to browse the website the way *he/ she* prefers and we cannot force the user to browse the way 'we' like it. This means that you do not open a new window (of external links) and you let the user do what they want. Most people use the BACK button and others open in new window. I once heard a saying which I think everyone needs to follow as designers Your website is built and exists to solve the users problem so do not create more problems for them [EMAIL PROTECTED] 20/07/2007 5:16:13 am I always thought it was a good idea to open links to other websites in a separate window, so you don't lose the visitor. If the visitor clicks on a link on your website and it does not open into a separate window, the visitor may stay in the other website for awhile, going to, say, 20 different pages. Most likely, he's not going to click on the back button 20 times to get back to your website, so you've lost the visitor or potential customer. If the link opens up into a separate window, the visitor cannot click on the back button, so he'll need to click on the exit (X) button, and voila, he's back in your website, where you want him to be. The above message has been scanned and meets the Insurance Commission of Western Australia's Email security policy requirements for outbound transmission. This email (facsimile) and any attachments may be confidential and privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (facsimile) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email (facsimile) in error please contact the Insurance Commission. Web: www.icwa.wa.gov.au Phone: +61 08 9264 * *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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I work at one of the those government places that has those horrible pdfs scattered through out all their horrible pages. I couldnt agree more. I used to believe that you only open in new window for pdfs but now only just realise that maybe its not best practise and could be thought about more. how would you create a html page for a 60 page pdf?? it is not a theasable option. I would probably suggest a pdf icon/ img next to the link so people know it is a pdf and then can save it or open it. others?? [EMAIL PROTECTED] 20/07/2007 8:57:45 am I'm all about web conventions. I didn't realize having a blank target didn't follow web standards. Is that documented somewhere? This one still bothers me ... The alternatives I've seen invariably require javascript and some of those javascript methods give the user less choice and are also not well suited for user-generated content (often created with wysiwyg editors) I'm seeing a very annoying trend lately where quite a few sites are forcing pdf's to open in a new browser window with javascript. I do not think it is acceptable to force people to wait over a minute with a locked up browser for a slow plugin to start without warning! - at least give them the option to right-click and download it for offline viewing! (or better don't use pdf - use html! ) Government-related sites seem to be the worst offenders - They seem to have almost everything as pdf Until they fix browsers to not lock up while loading slow plugins or they fix acrobat reader to start more quickly I'll continue to regard sites that force people to view pdfs in a browser as being about on about the same level as those nasty porn sites with endless chains of popup windows. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** ** The above message has been scanned and meets the Insurance Commission of Western Australia's Email security requirements for inbound transmission. ** The above message has been scanned and meets the Insurance Commission of Western Australia's Email security policy requirements for outbound transmission. This email (facsimile) and any attachments may be confidential and privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (facsimile) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email (facsimile) in error please contact the Insurance Commission. Web: www.icwa.wa.gov.au Phone: +61 08 9264 * *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: please avoid forcing people to open pdf in browser! was Re: [WSG] To target or not
I think the problem is that the links are not easily reconised that it is a pdf document you are opening [EMAIL PROTECTED] 20/07/2007 9:23:44 am Jermayn wrote: I work at one of the those government places that has those horrible pdfs scattered through out all their horrible pages. I couldnt agree more. And I work with people who build such sites, and I don't have a problem with PDFs per se. If that's an efficient and effective way to publish a document, let them do it - providing the PDF is properly marked up. Kerry --- This email, and any attachments, may be confidential and also privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender and delete all copies of this transmission along with any attachments immediately. You should not copy or use it for any purpose, nor disclose its contents to any other person. --- *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** ** The above message has been scanned and meets the Insurance Commission of Western Australia's Email security requirements for inbound transmission. ** The above message has been scanned and meets the Insurance Commission of Western Australia's Email security policy requirements for outbound transmission. This email (facsimile) and any attachments may be confidential and privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (facsimile) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email (facsimile) in error please contact the Insurance Commission. Web: www.icwa.wa.gov.au Phone: +61 08 9264 * *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Re: please avoid forcing people to open pdf in browser!
pdfs are not going to go away (and docs are not the answer) in Nielsons article (who is over rated and take his opinion with a grain of salt) he says pdfs are for print and I agree but for most Government websites they need these pdfs that we all hate and as I said in an earlier email html versions is not always an option. So the question remains how do we make a linked pdf presented and operational the best?? [EMAIL PROTECTED] 20/07/2007 10:08:52 am On 2007/07/19 11:23 (GMT+1000) Webb, KerryA apparently typed: Jermayn wrote: I work at one of the those government places that has those horrible pdfs scattered through out all their horrible pages. I couldnt agree more. And I work with people who build such sites, and I don't have a problem with PDFs per se. As a rule, I do. Most are apparently made by and for the people who design inaccessible mousetype web sites, not for normal or low vision web users. If that's an efficient and effective way to publish a document, let them Efficient and effective only from a publisher's perspective, not from a user's perspective. Pdfs are for printing. Ecologically aware people are not interested in killing trees just to get a little freely available information. do it - providing the PDF is properly marked up. It's rare that pdfs are published to be univerally accessible, so the end result is that as a group, pdfs are a scourge. Nielsen is too polite about it: http://www.useit.com/alertbox/20030714.html -- All scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting, and training in righteoousness. 2 Timothy 3:16 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** ** The above message has been scanned and meets the Insurance Commission of Western Australia's Email security requirements for inbound transmission. ** The above message has been scanned and meets the Insurance Commission of Western Australia's Email security policy requirements for outbound transmission. This email (facsimile) and any attachments may be confidential and privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (facsimile) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email (facsimile) in error please contact the Insurance Commission. Web: www.icwa.wa.gov.au Phone: +61 08 9264 * *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Re: please avoid forcing people to open pdf in browser!
I think of your 5 steps, number one is the most practable... the others are good in a 'perfect' world but this aint and if most other gov sites are like mine (new design coming tom), they will not happen. All of my pdfs are direct from the different areas and so I dont create the pdfs and we dont get the option of producing a html/ doc version [EMAIL PROTECTED] 20/07/2007 10:51:33 am I, for one am enjoying this discussion :) My 2c: 1) Let the user know it's a PDF *and* what size the PDF is, eg by putting something like (12Kb PDF) beside the link. I'm on dial up at home and it grates my backside when sites don't let me know how big the file is 2) If you can, use Acrobat Pro to autotag your PDF's. It's far from perfect but it's a start 3) Never ever assume a tagged PDF is 'screen reader friendly'. A partially sighted woman gave a (fantastic) presentation at a conference I attended recently where she 'showed' a screen reader opening a PDF and also showed how Acrobat rendered the doc in ZoomText. It was absolutely illegible and the screen reader couldn't make head or tail of it. 4) Push back on your departments to change the workflow so you get raw content and (in a perfect world) time to mark it up. 5) Get a search tool that indexes the raw text of PDF content and lets you point users to the text version if they want it. Again, not perfect but better than nothing. Like most government employees, I've got a lot of work to do in this area, but it really does need to be done :) Paul The above message has been scanned and meets the Insurance Commission of Western Australia's Email security policy requirements for outbound transmission. This email (facsimile) and any attachments may be confidential and privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (facsimile) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email (facsimile) in error please contact the Insurance Commission. Web: www.icwa.wa.gov.au Phone: +61 08 9264 * *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Visual Design Of Websites
yes I agree. Graphic design and Web (Graphic) design are different, similar concepts but different. what works on print does not always work on web [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12/07/2007 2:48:57 pm Yes, but that's still graphic design of the appearance of Websites, NOT Website Design. It's not designing the dynamic structure, usability and accessibility (using Web standards) essential for good Website design which will hold across different platforms/browsers in which the user has control (not the graphic designer). And no, the visual design should not be the first thing to consider in meeting a client's requirements. Too many bad Websites have been produced in which graphic designers who have pretended to be Website designers and placed the visual design first and insist that this is paramount. On Thu, July 12, 2007 12:48 am, Breton Slivka wrote: Argghh no! the ignorance! Just stop going about thinking you know what you're talking about when it comes to Graphic Design! Graphic Design isn't Make it Purdy, Graphic design isn't Learn how to use photoshop. It's exactly that perception that leads to awful website after awful website. Certainly, aesthetic beauty is a *side effect* of the design process, but *do not* make the mistake of thinking that's what graphic design is. Graphic design for print design has four aspects: Client Needs Audience Expectations Process (Identifying the problem space, going through many iterations, selecting the best solutions, and iterative refinement. This involves a A knowledge of the principles of good typography, and the principles of good visual design of course, but it is not pure visual design) Craftsmanship The graphic design process on the web is no different. A Good graphic designer (one who is familiar with what graphic design actually is, rather than the ignorant stereotype you just displayed) Should be involved in the process as EARLY and as OFTEN as possible. Not in the last step as you suggest. *Most* of this Graphic Designer's time should be spent with pencils and paper, and not in Photoshop or Illustrator. A great deal of time evaluating the problem at hand, and iteratively simplifying the solution. This is graphic design. If this is not what you've found in graphic designers in the past, then you have accidentally hired a Stylist, or possibly an Illustrator, not a graphic designer. Please do not slander my profession in the future. And P.S. this is a little tongue in cheek, so don't take too much offense. But seriously, you are wrong about graphic design. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** ** The above message has been scanned and meets the Insurance Commission of Western Australia's Email security requirements for inbound transmission. ** The above message has been scanned and meets the Insurance Commission of Western Australia's Email security policy requirements for outbound transmission. This email (facsimile) and any attachments may be confidential and privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (facsimile) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email (facsimile) in error please contact the Insurance Commission. Web: www.icwa.wa.gov.au Phone: +61 08 9264 * *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] To target or not
personally i say keep it in the same window if your interested I wrote an article about it recently after reading a few other articles about things similar http://germworks.net/blog/2007/07/02/usability-and-accessibility-the-foreign-legion-of-web-design/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] 13/07/2007 10:21:29 am Hello List, I was curious what others opinions were on this issue... Since W3C doesn't allow the target attribute in XHTML Strict, which do you think is better? Having the window opening up with JavaScript or just keeping the page in the same window like W3C wants. I assume the reason for not allowing the target attribute is for accessibility--because screen readers can not control pop-ups. Therefore it seems logical to me to keep it in the same window--even if it is an external site, etc. What does everyone think? Matthew -- Matthew Ohlman www.ohlman.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** ** The above message has been scanned and meets the Insurance Commission of Western Australia's Email security requirements for inbound transmission. ** The above message has been scanned and meets the Insurance Commission of Western Australia's Email security policy requirements for outbound transmission. This email (facsimile) and any attachments may be confidential and privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (facsimile) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email (facsimile) in error please contact the Insurance Commission. Web: www.icwa.wa.gov.au Phone: +61 08 9264 * *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Client - Site Edits
In short yes it would probably be best... I had the same problem with a client and so I gave him the website in WordPress, so now I only do major style/ structure changes and he handles the content changes himself [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/07/2007 11:36:34 am I am also wondering if a CMS system would, in any way, be a solution to a situation like this. The above message has been scanned and meets the Insurance Commission of Western Australia's Email security policy requirements for outbound transmission. This email (facsimile) and any attachments may be confidential and privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (facsimile) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email (facsimile) in error please contact the Insurance Commission. Web: www.icwa.wa.gov.au Phone: +61 08 9264 * *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Footer Problem IE5.x
Just a quick question. Why we still coding/ hacking for IE5??? On 7/2/07, Sarah Peeke (XERT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Nick, I guess I was hoping to fix the problem(s), rather than just rely on a hack. Other suggestions appreciated. So use a Conditional Comment - ? 2. If I don't include a dreaded hack in my css (which I'd really like to remove because my style sheet doesn't validate) Sarah -- JP2 Designs http://www.jp2designs.com http://www.germworks.net *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Font-size 62.5% problem
personally I have always had trouble with percentages and hence only use em's Maybe if you switch over to all em's it may help. On 7/2/07, Paul Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I seem to be having trouble assigning the font-size:62.5%; property to the body of my document. Basically, it doesn't seem to be working and I can't figure out why. The font stays slightly larger than 11px, when I set it to 1.1em. this has worked fine on other sites, so not sure why it isn't working here. Any ideas? *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Navigation link not working in some browsers
I can seem to get backto the Home page no problems from the products [EMAIL PROTECTED] 29/06/2007 11:55:22 am www.colouru.com.au There is a very strange instance of a navigation link not working on one particular page - the products.html page link back to HOME. All other pages seem to be OK. It does work in IE and Opera but not in FX or Safari. Can anyone see why this should be so? Thanks. Lyn *www.westernwebdesign.com.au* *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** ** The above message has been scanned and meets the Insurance Commission of Western Australia's Email security requirements for inbound transmission. ** The above message has been scanned and meets the Insurance Commission of Western Australia's Email security policy requirements for outbound transmission. This email (facsimile) and any attachments may be confidential and privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (facsimile) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email (facsimile) in error please contact the Insurance Commission. Web: www.icwa.wa.gov.au Phone: +61 08 9264 * *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Navigation link not working in some browsers
yeah just double checked and not working now I looked at the site via the inspector in firebug and i cannot actually select the HOME or the colour icon [EMAIL PROTECTED] 29/06/2007 12:22:23 pm Jermayn Parker wrote: I can seem to get backto the Home page no problems from the products In Firefox or Safari? *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** ** The above message has been scanned and meets the Insurance Commission of Western Australia's Email security requirements for inbound transmission. ** The above message has been scanned and meets the Insurance Commission of Western Australia's Email security policy requirements for outbound transmission. This email (facsimile) and any attachments may be confidential and privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (facsimile) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email (facsimile) in error please contact the Insurance Commission. Web: www.icwa.wa.gov.au Phone: +61 08 9264 * *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] A list of images with text under each image
I personally used the dl example for my clients page, which is the same mark up as mentioned http://www.jp2designs.com/design/clients On 6/27/07, Ben Buchanan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: dl dta href= title=img src= alt=/a/dt dda href= title=View/a/dd dda href= title=Buy/a/dd /dl I'd be comfortable doing that, since I am happy to treat definition lists as the only available way to associate related information in this manner. - take your pick of the two options. IMHO, they're both ok. -- JP2 Designs http://www.jp2designs.com http://www.germworks.net *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] site check please
Hi folks, just wondering if people can have a quick look at the following website for any major errors, suggestions etc The one thing that has given me major trouble is aligning the columns the same over browsers (I am sure I have a few gray hairs from that), so unless its horriable wrong, I am not going to worry about it, unless someone knows a fix. Thanks everyone http://www.phillipwrayracing.com The above message has been scanned and meets the Insurance Commission of Western Australia's Email security policy requirements for outbound transmission. This email (facsimile) and any attachments may be confidential and privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (facsimile) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email (facsimile) in error please contact the Insurance Commission. Web: www.icwa.wa.gov.au Phone: +61 08 9264 * *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] BarCamp Perth now FREE
I will be there and finally something to go to in perth... [EMAIL PROTECTED] 14/06/2007 9:13:12 pm Hi Gary I wish I could be there but I'm in QLD for a conference :( Cheers, Gian -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Barber Sent: Thursday, 14 June 2007 1:08 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] BarCamp Perth now FREE Well Finally Perth gets to hold a BarCamp. Thing is it's only 16 Days away on the 30th June from 9-5, Central TAFE, 140 Royal St, East Perth So if you are in Perth, Western Australia. Come along. Its all about sharing. And its FREE. Register ASAP, and get your t-shirt details to the organiser ([EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) and you get a FREE t-shirt on the day. So Signup here - http://www.webindustry.asn.au/projects/barcamp-perth What's a BarCamp. Well those details are on the wiki http://www.barcamp.org/BarCampPerth -- Gary Barber Blog - http:/manwithnoblog.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** ** The above message has been scanned and meets the Insurance Commission of Western Australia's Email security requirements for inbound transmission. ** The above message has been scanned and meets the Insurance Commission of Western Australia's Email security policy requirements for outbound transmission. This email (facsimile) and any attachments may be confidential and privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (facsimile) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email (facsimile) in error please contact the Insurance Commission. Web: www.icwa.wa.gov.au Phone: +61 08 9264 * *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Use of PDFs - Accessibility issues
Do both... keep HTML for all the reasons already been raised (plus more) but maybe do a few pdfs as well which can be used as either print outs etc [EMAIL PROTECTED] 8/06/2007 6:00:00 am There was some discussion recently about how hard it is to create accessible PDFs (ie very hard) but I would've thought the obvious reason not to do it is that not everyone has a PDF reader installed so why potentially cut off some of your content from certain users? If it's in HTML at least everyone's going to be able to see it. Also, are handheld users able to view PDFs? I would've thought not. On Fri, 08 Jun 2007 01:04:01 +1000, Nick Roper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First of all, please let me know if this post is inappropriate for this list. If so then please point me elsewhere. We have a client for whom we created a website some 7 years ago. The site has developed over the years, and now comprises approximately 140 pages across a dozen or so categories. The customer is a hotel/leisure/golf resort in the UK and has two main types of site visitor: 1) Club members (approx 5000) 2) Non members that are looking for weekend breaks, golf venues, wedding venues, dining, conference facilities etc. The current site uses 99.9% html for content, with a server-based CMS that we developed and put in place at the outset, and which is used to update the site several times a day with news of results, events, etc, etc. Anyway, to get to the point, the customer has now been advised by a marketing agency that the site should be reduced in size to approx 45 key pages, and that the majority of content for things such as conference room specification and rates, bedroom specs and rates, menus, events, golf rates, membership rates etc, should be made available in PDF form instead of the html pages that are on the current site. I am aware that recent versions of Adobe allow more accessible PDF content to be created, but I would be grateful for thoughts on the use of PDF content instead of html content. Just to confirm, the recommendation from the agency is to replace existing html content with PDF version, not to provide PDFs as an additional alternative. I have researched articles on various sites, and the general advice seems to be that PDFs have their place when specific layout or functionality requires, but that these are generally considered to be fairly exceptional cases, such as legal forms that must be delivered in an original format, or multi-columnar information that cannot be degraded to an acceptable single column layout. I know that the customer will quite possibly consider any representation from us to avoid going down this path as an attempt to protect our interests in redevelopment proposals, so I would be very grateful for feedback and recommendations from others. Many thanks, -- Tyssen Design www.tyssendesign.com.au Ph: (07) 3300 3303 Mb: 0405 678 590 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** ** The above message has been scanned and meets the Insurance Commission of Western Australia's Email security requirements for inbound transmission. ** The above message has been scanned and meets the Insurance Commission of Western Australia's Email security policy requirements for outbound transmission. This email (facsimile) and any attachments may be confidential and privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (facsimile) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email (facsimile) in error please contact the Insurance Commission. Web: www.icwa.wa.gov.au Phone: +61 08 9264 * *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Recommended screen size [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
Our new gov site (still in development) is 1024 x 768 and so are a few others which they used as examples... [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1/06/2007 11:37:30 am I still regard 800x600 as a necessary minimum (for government sites) as it accounts for approximately 10% of the viewing audience. Many sites now treat 1024x768 as the minimum based on their website traffic. If you can pull this data out of your own logs this may guide whether you still need to cater for 800x600. Cheers, Craig - Craig Thomler Online Marketing Manager | Communication Strategy and Services External Relations | Child Support Agency P 02 627 28681 | F 02 627 28898 W csa.gov.au | E [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim Offenstein Sent: Friday, 1 June 2007 13:31 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Recommended screen size Anyone have a recommendation on what size screen to use as a baseline when designing for a new site? 800x600 or 1024x768 or something else? Thanks in advance. -Tim -- Tim Offenstein *** College of Applied Health Sciences *** (217) 244-2700 CITES Departmental Services Web Specialist *** www.uiuc.edu/goto/offenstein *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** ** IMPORTANT The information transmitted is for the use of the intended recipient only and may contain confidential and/or legally privileged material. Any unauthorised use of this information by other than the intended recipient is prohibited and may result in severe penalties. If you have received this email in error please notify the Privacy Contact Officer of the Child Support Agency, telephone 02 6272 8346 and delete all copies of this transmission together with any attachments. * *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** ** The above message has been scanned and meets the Insurance Commission of Western Australia's Email security requirements for inbound transmission. ** The above message has been scanned and meets the Insurance Commission of Western Australia's Email security policy requirements for outbound transmission. This email (facsimile) and any attachments may be confidential and privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (facsimile) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email (facsimile) in error please contact the Insurance Commission. Web: www.icwa.wa.gov.au Phone: +61 08 9264 * *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Recommended screen size [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
Ok, I cannot find all of them but hear are a few just we just deal or have dealt with: http://www.watercorporation.com.au/index.cfm http://wa.gov.au http://www.nrma.com.au (splash screen) http://www.maa.nsw.gov.au I am sure there woul dbe more as well [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1/06/2007 11:51:20 am Hi Jermayn, Can you send me those examples and I may be able to make the case here :) Cheers, Craig - Craig Thomler Online Marketing Manager | Communication Strategy and Services External Relations | Child Support Agency P 02 627 28681 | F 02 627 28898 W csa.gov.au | E [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jermayn Parker Sent: Friday, 1 June 2007 13:46 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] Recommended screen size [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED] Our new gov site (still in development) is 1024 x 768 and so are a few others which they used as examples... [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1/06/2007 11:37:30 am I still regard 800x600 as a necessary minimum (for government sites) as it accounts for approximately 10% of the viewing audience. Many sites now treat 1024x768 as the minimum based on their website traffic. If you can pull this data out of your own logs this may guide whether you still need to cater for 800x600. Cheers, Craig - Craig Thomler Online Marketing Manager | Communication Strategy and Services External Relations | Child Support Agency P 02 627 28681 | F 02 627 28898 W csa.gov.au | E [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim Offenstein Sent: Friday, 1 June 2007 13:31 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Recommended screen size Anyone have a recommendation on what size screen to use as a baseline when designing for a new site? 800x600 or 1024x768 or something else? Thanks in advance. -Tim -- Tim Offenstein *** College of Applied Health Sciences *** (217) 244-2700 CITES Departmental Services Web Specialist *** www.uiuc.edu/goto/offenstein *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** ** IMPORTANT The information transmitted is for the use of the intended recipient only and may contain confidential and/or legally privileged material. Any unauthorised use of this information by other than the intended recipient is prohibited and may result in severe penalties. If you have received this email in error please notify the Privacy Contact Officer of the Child Support Agency, telephone 02 6272 8346 and delete all copies of this transmission together with any attachments. * *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** ** The above message has been scanned and meets the Insurance Commission of Western Australia's Email security requirements for inbound transmission. ** The above message has been scanned and meets the Insurance Commission of Western Australia's Email security policy requirements for outbound transmission. This email (facsimile) and any attachments may be confidential and privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (facsimile) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email (facsimile) in error please contact the Insurance Commission. Web: www.icwa.wa.gov.au Phone: +61 08 9264 * *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED
Re: [WSG] IE6 Problem (what a surprise)
Hi, I get a white background in my ie6 except a square in the middle... I do however notice that you use a png image, maybe that is the problem.. On 5/28/07, Gav [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, I site I've started at http://entyce.net.au/index1.html looks good in IE7, Firefox etc but am getting a problem with not having a white background in IE6. You'll see what I mean. I've used the Inman position clearing (along with some Andy Clark ideas from his book) to have the footer below the content (whichever content area is taller) but for some reason doesn't work for me in IE6 even though it is supposed to. Must have messed up another setting somewhere. Any ideas on how to best get out of this mess? Thanks Gav... *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- JP2 Designs http://www.jp2designs.com http://www.germworks.net *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Suggestions Please for: CMS / E-commerce Solutions
Hi I have used cubecart for a client and he was more than happy with it.. Free with Fantasico as well :) On 5/29/07, Mark Hedley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everyone. I am currently looking for a cost-effective (preferably opensource) solution to run our companies UK based web site. I have looked at TradingEye PHP Store and have spoke in depth with Wladimir however some features seem restrictive for our needs. If time was not an issue I would create a system from my own experiences however time is a luxury I do not have at the moment and our system needs an overhaul from an administrative point of view. I only took on the development role in May 2006 and I am slowly getting things in order but still a long way to go. Needless to say I am wondering if anyone can offer any advice on a solution for Content Management and E-commerce. Naturally something which adheres to standards compliant design principals. Look forward to feedback. Thanks, Mark Hedley Web Development Manager Mayborn Baby Child Division http://www.tommeetippee.com Jackel International Limited is a company registered in England Wales (registered number 1894022). Our registered office is at Dudley Lane, Cramlington, Northumberland, NE23 7RH. Tel (0191) 2501864, Fax (0191) 2501727. Sangenic International Limited is a company registered in England Wales (registered number 1308939). Our registered office is at Dudley Lane, Cramlington, Northumberland, NE23 7RH. Tel (0191) 2501864, Fax (0191) 2501727. Jackel International and Sangenic International are part of the Mayborn Group This transmission and any attachments are confidential and are intended solely for the named addressee(s). If you are not the addressee, please do not read, copy, use or disclose this transmission and notify us immediately by telephone (0191) 2501864 or by reply. Please then delete this transmission from your system. You should also be aware that all incoming e-mails are monitored for system security purposes. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- JP2 Designs http://www.jp2designs.com http://www.germworks.net *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Site Review (www.richardson.co.nz)
risk of going OT but I would like to ask you why did you choose a one page info page with anchor links going down to the content??? I thought multi pages would be the way to go apart from this I do not really have any problems with it, the menu is a bit small though Thanks and sorry On 5/28/07, Samuel Richardson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: G'day all, I've decided to make the jump from full time web development to freelance work. Mostly front end development, (X)HTML/CSS/JavaScript development etc. Anyway, to support myself, I've created a portfolio here: www.richardson.co.nz I just want to make sure I haven't missed anything obvious with the build phase of things. If you've all got time to have a look at the code/design and give me some feedback that would be fantastic. It's somewhat off topic but I don't think my copy writing is too hot, if anyone has some suggestions on how to present myself better then I'd love to hear them. I'm going to be dealing strictly with design companies rather then the public so I've tried to keep thing short. Thanks heaps! -- Samuel Richardson Freelance Web Developer www.richardson.co.nz | 0405 472 748 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- JP2 Designs http://www.jp2designs.com http://www.germworks.net *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Australian University webpage reviews and WANAU membership
and maybe you could have an anger management course while Nick is having his lie down or maybe we could just leave personal attacks out of the mailing list :) [EMAIL PROTECTED] 25/05/2007 11:22:12 am So what do you know about change management Nick? Comment on the research Nick, stick to the issue instead of trying so pathetically to belt me up. The page is not intended for you Nick. Take a bex and have a good lie down. Tim On 25/05/2007, at 12:09 PM, Nick Gleitzman wrote: On 24 May 2007, at 8:04 PM, Tim wrote: I have a post graduate Diploma in Applied Social Psychological research Wow. If that's true, then you should surely appreciate that the best way to effect change in *any* system is not by angry, aggressive and sarcastic ranting, but by reasoned, logical, CALM discussion. No-one wants to deal with someone who accuses all the time. and shouts while he's doing it to boot... Oh, and BTW, your web pages make my head hurt. They may contain relevant information, but visually friendly they ain't. N ___ omnivision. websight. http://www.omnivision.com.au/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** The Editor Heretic Press http://www.hereticpress.com Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** ** The above message has been scanned and meets the Insurance Commission of Western Australia's Email security requirements for inbound transmission. ** The above message has been scanned and meets the Insurance Commission of Western Australia's Email security policy requirements for outbound transmission. This email (facsimile) and any attachments may be confidential and privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (facsimile) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email (facsimile) in error please contact the Insurance Commission. Web: www.icwa.wa.gov.au Phone: +61 08 9264 * *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Hack for all IE versions including 7
This is what I find very useful and explained very simply:
http://www.solidstategroup.com/page/1592
On 5/18/07, Stephen Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I find this invaluable,
http://www.webdevout.net/css-hacks
On 18/05/07, Matthew Pennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 5/18/07, Paul Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am trying to find hacks for IE7 and I can't, could someone please
point me in the right direction? I would like the following:
#mydiv {
background: red; /* all browsers */
*background: green; /* all IE */
_background: blue; /* IE6 and below */
}
Or use conditional comments, obviously.
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Re: [WSG] 100% height
let us know how you go I myself are in the middle of a website were I need something similar and it works fine in ie7 and firefox but breaks and looks horrible in ie6 Thanks [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/05/2007 9:19:37 pm Thanks, this one seems to be the best I've found so far. I'll take it for a test drive. Hope this will solve the problem: http://www.xs4all.nl/~peterned/examples/csslayout1.html regards Puneet Original Message: - From: Bob Schwartz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 14:41:10 +0200 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] 100% height Here's my problem: I need to have all the pages on a site fill the page at 100% of page height if lots of content or 100% of browser window iif short on content with the footer sitting nicely at the bottom in both cases in both IE 6 and IE7. Something I had no problems with until IE7 rolled out. I have searched around the web and not found anything I would consider THE solution. As I'm sure IE7 has done this to others, has anyone found a reliable solution? Thanks, Bob *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** mail2web.com * What can On Demand Business Solutions do for you? http://link.mail2web.com/Business/SharePoint *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** ** The above message has been scanned and meets the Insurance Commission of Western Australia's Email security requirements for inbound transmission. ** The above message has been scanned and meets the Insurance Commission of Western Australia's Email security policy requirements for outbound transmission. This email (facsimile) and any attachments may be confidential and privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (facsimile) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email (facsimile) in error please contact the Insurance Commission. Web: www.icwa.wa.gov.au Phone: +61 08 9264 * *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] wa state guidlines question
Hi group, This may only relate to Western Australian people but someone else may know... I have a page that has links to a pdf and the client wanted to know whether it can be linked to a new window or not. They dont really care about best practises etc but rather what the state Internet guidlines are. I have looked through the 107 page doco but cannot find anything. Thanks for you rhelp Jermayn The above message has been scanned and meets the Insurance Commission of Western Australia's Email security policy requirements for outbound transmission. This email (facsimile) and any attachments may be confidential and privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (facsimile) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email (facsimile) in error please contact the Insurance Commission. Web: www.icwa.wa.gov.au Phone: +61 08 9264 * *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] wa state guidlines question
Karl and mdagn yes we do have some publications that are currently in html format and going through the state guidlines I found a reference about html and pdf copies as pdf is not accessible (word is), so im think we may just do that even though the five odd publications are 60 plus pages each... [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9/05/2007 11:14:36 am Jermayn, I think that it really depends on the end user. I know that any .pdf I open within my copy of Firefox or Safari will always open up a separate instance of Acrobat Reader or OSX Preview.app anyway (= new window). It might have something to do with how Acrobat Reader is installed by the end user, i.e Either as a plugin or standalone app. As a side question, why use PDF? As a governmental body (assumption made by examining your email address), why are you putting your public information into a proprietary format that requires a proprietary reader to read? Can someone tell me how accessible PDF documents are to people with special needs? I'm assuming that it's not hopeless with the likes of the accessibility features within Windows and OSX, or am I wrong? Karl The above message has been scanned and meets the Insurance Commission of Western Australia's Email security policy requirements for outbound transmission. This email (facsimile) and any attachments may be confidential and privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (facsimile) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email (facsimile) in error please contact the Insurance Commission. Web: www.icwa.wa.gov.au Phone: +61 08 9264 * *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] wa state guidlines question
and Kerry, how do you make the pdf accessible??? [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9/05/2007 12:50:25 pm Nick wrote: I would disagree. I believe the pdf and word issue dates back to 1999 or so, when you needed to upgrade to the latest and greatest of JAWS at considerable cost to fully access pdfs. Things have changed in 8 years. Now you can access pdfs with almost any screenreader (that is less than 8 years old) and a free version of acrobat. For word documents you also need software to open it and the most common, word costs. While this is generally true, you need to remember that the creator of a PDF should do a few simple things to make it accessible. Most don't. Kerry -- Kerry Webb Policy Office InTACT x70239 --- This email, and any attachments, may be confidential and also privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender and delete all copies of this transmission along with any attachments immediately. You should not copy or use it for any purpose, nor disclose its contents to any other person. --- *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** ** The above message has been scanned and meets the Insurance Commission of Western Australia's Email security requirements for inbound transmission. ** The above message has been scanned and meets the Insurance Commission of Western Australia's Email security policy requirements for outbound transmission. This email (facsimile) and any attachments may be confidential and privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (facsimile) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email (facsimile) in error please contact the Insurance Commission. Web: www.icwa.wa.gov.au Phone: +61 08 9264 * *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] problem with 1 and 1 wordpress blog
My biggest problem would be the font size. It is too small... On 5/7/07, dwain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i'm stuck. since i don't know php i went with 1 and 1's default blog. it doesn't render correctly in firefox 2.0.0.3, but it does in firefox 1.5.0 according to tech support at 1 and 1. the calendar sticks out of the gray div, at least on my machine. is it just me or does anyone else have the same visual i do? would you check please? there is an error in the css and the xhtml is riddled with errors. i just got off the phone with them and they are looking into it. i really would like to install my own copy and have it look like the rest of my site, but like i said, i don't know php. i don't even know which file to edit to add the menu on my site. may i have some suggestions where i can get information on which file to edit and how i may accomplish making the blog look like my site. i can edit the css colors to match. i know this is going to be another fun project and a great learning experience. i just want to have the same look on my blog as for the rest of my site and i'm willing to do what it takes to accomplish this. here are the addresses to both. http://blog.studiokdd.com/ http://www.studiokdd.com any help would be appreciated. dwain -- Dwain Alford http://www.studiokdd.com The artist may use any form which his expression demands; for his inner impulse must find suitable expression. Kandinsky *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- JP2 Designs http://www.jp2designs.com http://www.germworks.net *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Layout Check Please (Linux / Mac)
I like the style and website, It matches the hotel but my only grip would be that the links (besides the menu) does not have any hover attributes apart from that top job :) On 4/17/07, Joseph R. B. Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings all, I was hoping some of you fine Linux / Mac users could test this layout to make sure no blowups happen. Everything SHOULD be fine, but you never know. http://homestead.foodzoomer.com/ Thanks a bunch! -- *Joseph R. B. Taylor* Sites by Joe, LLC /Custom Web Design Development/ Phone: (609) 335-3076 www.sitesbyjoe.com http://www.sitesbyjoe.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- JP2 Designs http://www.jp2designs.com http://www.germworks.net *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Client Side Development Process
The best suggestion I can come up with is an ebook on grayscreen prototyping Hear are my thoughts etc about it: http://germworks.net/blog/2007/03/28/clients-vs-developer-wars-review/ On 4/7/07, Lee Powell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all I wonder if anyone can offer some advice. I've recently landed a new development position within a very credible digital agency as part of their client side development team. One of our things to do is develop a rock solid development process we work through for every project. Traditionally we don't get our hand dirty until a client signs off what the design team have produced, however we are going to try to change this and get involved from an earlier point in the project. Would anyone like to offer any advice on setting up this process, and any advice on things to take into consideration for inclusion of the process. It'd be great to compile some documentation, and share it with the rest of the community... We're starting from a blank canvas so any advice appreciated. Kind Regards Lee Powell *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- JP2 Designs http://www.jp2designs.com http://www.germworks.net *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Politics and pricing
can we put our names down for the job of creating them On 3/29/07, Designer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry this is OT, but I couldn't resist sharing this: On the (English) news last night it was announced that all members of the current government are to have their own websites. NO political rantings, but instead a page about themselves. One assumes that this will be a resume of sorts, plus pictures of 'the family' and other sugary stuff. Sounds simple enough? It has been agreed that, in order for them to do this, each MP will receive £10,000 Clearly, there are a lot of us on this list who should perhaps think about a price increase . . . :-) -- Bob www.gwelanmor-internet.co.uk *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- JP2 Designs http://www.jp2designs.com http://www.germworks.net *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] New Yorker Redesign
Yeah the new web design at my australian government place is also currently involved in a redesign and it is made for a 1024 screen (funny seeing the web managers still use 800) [EMAIL PROTECTED] 28/03/2007 10:43 am Mike at Green-Beast.com wrote: Nice site. Looks like 1204x768 is becoming the new 800x600, but it's something that is probably ahead of its time. Especially since two members I work at a newspaper... we are heading that direction for our next site design iteration Content area will fall-in to the 800 wide range, but overall template size hit 1024. Most of the big dogs (NYT, IHT, Seattle times...) are going for the wider format. :) -- Wishlists: http://snipurl.com/vrs9 Switch: http://browsehappy.com/ BCC?: http://snipurl.com/w6f8 My: http://del.icio.us/mhulse *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** ** The above message has been scanned and meets the Insurance Commission of Western Australia's Email security requirements for inbound transmission. ** The above message has been scanned and meets the Insurance Commission of Western Australia's Email security policy requirements for outbound transmission. This email (facsimile) and any attachments may be confidential and privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (facsimile) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email (facsimile) in error please contact the Insurance Commission. Web: www.icwa.wa.gov.au Phone: +61 08 9264 * *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Recommendations for books to take one to the next level
- Don't Make Me Think: A Common Sense Approach to Web Usability by Steve Krug Excellent book. Sorry but I woul dhave to disagree with you hear. I found the book boring, old information and overall uniformative and a waste of time and money. If your an intemediated web designer you should already know what he raises. Maybe if your a beginner, it could be good but apart from that I would not bother,, The above message has been scanned and meets the Insurance Commission of Western Australia's Email security policy requirements for outbound transmission. This email (facsimile) and any attachments may be confidential and privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (facsimile) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email (facsimile) in error please contact the Insurance Commission. Web: www.icwa.wa.gov.au Phone: +61 08 9264 * *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Teaching CSS
I have just brought the 101 tricks and tips guide by SitePoint and have read the sample chapters. I also got a free css cheat sheet which could be handy. I have not yet read or looked at the other books mentioned. A number of SitePoint books on CSS seem pretty good - based upon their sample-chapters download – but before I spend US$40 on one, has anyone here used them? *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] web accessibility-some thoughts
I also think it is a lot easier to make the website accessible than a movie and book. All it takes is some careful coding and you have an accessible website, but to make a book into brail takes a lot more effort [EMAIL PROTECTED] 8/03/2007 9:48:46 pm First a disclaimer: This post does not reflect my personal views on web accessibility or handicapped persons, it is merely a collection of academic thoughts triggered by various posts of the past few days. How and why did the web get singled out from among all of the other publishing mediums to be by law accessible? Why aren't book, magazine, and newspaper publishers required to produce an audio or braille version of everything they publish? Why aren't TV broadcasters and movie production companies required to sub-title all of their broadcasts or films, or have an off screen reader describing the scenes? Isn't saying one can't (shouldn't) use, for example, a popup window on a web site because screen readers have trouble with them, like telling Hollywood they can't (shouldn't) use certain special effects because the off screen reader would have trouble explaining them to a blind person? *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** ** The above message has been scanned and meets the Insurance Commission of Western Australia's Email security requirements for inbound transmission. ** The above message has been scanned and meets the Insurance Commission of Western Australia's Email security policy requirements for outbound transmission. This email (facsimile) and any attachments may be confidential and privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (facsimile) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email (facsimile) in error please contact the Insurance Commission. Web: www.icwa.wa.gov.au Phone: +61 08 9264 * *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Talking about odd user behaviour (was Re: PopUp windows)
btw one of those persons was me :) I wrote what I did mainly becauseback in 1995 or whenever the study took place, I wasnt (and im sure others hear) was not surfing the Internet or even regularly using a computer (I did not even own one). back then it was fairly new and with not many 'experts'. However now most people (they even teach old people at homes to use net) know how to navigate using the back button. However the study you did suprised me and thanks for letting us know of that [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9/03/2007 7:34:22 am Hi folks, Someone wrote: One of my favourite stats is that 30% of browser activity involves using the Back button .Proceedings of the Third International World Wide Web Conference, Darmstadt, Germany (1995). To which someone else replied: and the web, users and people have changed a lot since 1995, I would say so much so that that stat would know be unreliable... I did usability testing with 10 users of a medium-sized library website 18 months ago. Every single person, withOUT exception, failed to use either the breadcrumb navigation, or the left sidebar navigation. Each time they wanted to return 'home' or to somewhere they'd been before, they simply hit 'back, back, back' until they got there. If they needed to go somewhere new to complete or begin a new task, they still didn't use the side nav, they backed up to the 'home' page to start from there. I wondered if they did it because they thought that each new task should begin on the 'home' page, but every one I asked (about half of them) said 'no', they always used a browser like that (note that they didn't say they used my site like that, they used the browser like that). I was astounded. lib. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** ** The above message has been scanned and meets the Insurance Commission of Western Australia's Email security requirements for inbound transmission. ** The above message has been scanned and meets the Insurance Commission of Western Australia's Email security policy requirements for outbound transmission. This email (facsimile) and any attachments may be confidential and privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (facsimile) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email (facsimile) in error please contact the Insurance Commission. Web: www.icwa.wa.gov.au Phone: +61 08 9264 * *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] PopUp windows
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 8/03/2007 7:06:37 am and even fewer know that they can click it to open a new window/tab. And they, I suspect, would be the people least able to handle a new window spawned by the webpage. The back button is one of the first things people learn about browsers. I don't agree with that. One of my favourite stats is that 30% of browser activity involves using the Back button AND that 30% of users have no idea what the Back button is or does. I find this representative of the issues we're dealing with - the inherent contradictions of user behaviour. My favourite stat is the one that 97% of all stats are made up ;) The above message has been scanned and meets the Insurance Commission of Western Australia's Email security policy requirements for outbound transmission. This email (facsimile) and any attachments may be confidential and privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (facsimile) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email (facsimile) in error please contact the Insurance Commission. Web: www.icwa.wa.gov.au Phone: +61 08 9264 * *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] PopUp windows
and the web, users and people have changed a lot since 1995, I would say so much so that that stat would know be unreliable... [EMAIL PROTECTED] 8/03/2007 1:19:56 pm One of my favourite stats is that 30% of browser activity involves using the Back button AND that 30% of users have no idea what the Back button is or does. Where does that statistic come from? Do you have a citation for that? The former comes from L. Catledge and J. Pitkow, Characterizng Browsing Strategies in the World-Wide Web in Proceedings of the Third International World Wide Web Conference, Darmstadt, Germany (1995). The above message has been scanned and meets the Insurance Commission of Western Australia's Email security policy requirements for outbound transmission. This email (facsimile) and any attachments may be confidential and privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (facsimile) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email (facsimile) in error please contact the Insurance Commission. Web: www.icwa.wa.gov.au Phone: +61 08 9264 * *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] New Project - Feedback Appreciated
I like the clean layout but to be honest when I read your description I was thinking I wuld see more green seeing its a 'greeny' website nothing like green for the corporate ID On 3/6/07, Sarah Peeke (XERT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, We have recently unveiled a new project on all things green, eco-friendly and organic: http://geofeat.com/ I would really appreciate feedback on issues related to standards, usability and accessibility. This is an ongoing project, and there are a number of things I have yet to implement (such as page specific css validation links - in footer). If you see any glaring mistakes, even small ones, or have general suggestions for improvement please let me know. For those who have the time, I would also really appreciate your comments on how you enjoyed using the site etc (perhaps you could email me offlist). Many thanks Sarah :) -- XERT Communications email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mobile: 0438 017 416 http://www.xert.com.au/ web development : digital imaging : dvd production *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- JP2 Designs http://www.jp2designs.com http://www.germworks.net *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
