[WSG] Standards friendly 'page tagging' web stats
Hey all, I'm investigating improving our current method of reporting our web traffic - we currently use server logs only (with an annual community survey for good measure). I'm looking for a Javascript page-tagging solution, that is unobtrusive (keeping in line with our current progressive enhancement paradigm), standards compliant, reliable/error free (ie. Supported across multiple browsers). We've spent a considerable amount of time building a standards compliant, accessible website that degrades nicely on older browsers and less tech savvy clients, so I'm not keen on implementing a solution that's going to brain all of our hard work. Can anyone make any suggests... off-list if this isn't the right forum for this thread. Best Regards, Paul Hempsall Web Developer Lake Macquarie City Council Phone: (02) 4921-0713 Fax: (02) 4921-0566 Web: http://www.lakemac.com.au This information is intended for the addressee only. The use, copying or distribution of this message or any information it contains, by anyone other than the addressee is prohibited by the sender. Any views expressed in this communication are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of Council. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Standards friendly 'page tagging' web stats
Thanks for the responses and suggestions. I haven't checked out Google Analytics yet, although it was on my list. In fact I'm heading down to Sydney in Sept for some training on it's use and how to best implement it. Patrick, reports based on server log files are considerably limiting. For example, visitors are generally identified by IP and Session ID. This doesn't tell me if the person is a repeat customer, or how often they frequent the website, and also provides more accurate filtering of non-human user agents (as UAs don't tend to render the HTML or executive the JS). The data collected is particularly useful for measuring the use of back and forward button usage, monitoring the effectiveness of campaigns, conversion rates, abandonment rates/locations, etc. Just wanted to make sure I didn't break the site by implementing this. Paul Hempsall Web Developer Lake Macquarie City Council Phone: (02) 4921-0713 Fax: (02) 4921-0566 Web: http://www.lakemac.com.au This information is intended for the addressee only. The use, copying or distribution of this message or any information it contains, by anyone other than the addressee is prohibited by the sender. Any views expressed in this communication are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of Council. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Section specific introductory pages and usability
Thanks for the heads-up and pointing me in the right direction Terrence. PaulH This information is intended for the addressee only. The use, copying or distribution of this message or any information it contains, by anyone other than the addressee is prohibited by the sender. Any views expressed in this communication are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of Council. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Section specific introductory pages and usability
I'm well into the development of my Council's new website (replacing the current inaccessible, tag soup version). A discussion point has been raised with our Content Editors regarding Introduction pages for each main section of the site. What's the general concensus of the direction Introduction pages should take. I've always been concerned that reiterating the section navigation via a barrage of links would be a confusing and disorienting method. Brisbane City Council (as an example) takes this approach on some of their pages - I'm just wondering what other's views are regarding this and if this is, in fact, a preferrable method to take. http://www.brisbane.qld.gov.au/BCC:BASE:2119007498:pc=DOBUSINESS Best Regards, Paul Hempsall Web Developer Lake Macquarie City Council Phone: (02) 4921-0713 Fax: (02) 4921-0566 Web: http://www.lakemac.com.au This information is intended for the addressee only. The use, copying or distribution of this message or any information it contains, by anyone other than the addressee is prohibited by the sender. Any views expressed in this communication are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of Council. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Strange empty XHTML element issues in IE FF
Title: Message I came across a strange issue last night while converting some XML data via an XSL template into XHTML. Issue 1: In the Head sectionof my XHTML I had an empty script element (see below). IE refused to load the page. FF had no problem with this. script type="text/_javascript_" src=""/ To get IE past this line in the markup I had to change the text to read: script type="text/_javascript_" src=""/script Issue 2: In the body of my document I have an empty div. IE rendered the page correctly. FF didn't close the element, so my CSS didn't get implemented correctly. div class="clear"/ To allow FF to process the div, I had to modify the line to: div class="clear"/div I thought I might need to add a space before the forward slash (ie. div class="clear" /), but this didn't make any difference. What's also weird is that I have plenty of other self-closing elements in the document, but these didn't break the browsers. While the problems have bothbeen resolved, I was just hoping there might be someone more fluent with FF IE's processing of XHTML to explain why this occurred in the first place. Here's the URLs for both pages: http://www.lakemac.com.au/lakemac_final/pageTransformed_broken.html(breaks in IE FF) http://www.lakemac.com.au/lakemac_final/pageTransformed.html(fixed) Best Regards, Paul Hempsall Web Developer Lake Macquarie City Council Phone: (02) 4921-0713 Fax: (02) 4921-0566 Web: http://www.lakemac.com.au This information is intended for the addressee only. The use, copying or distribution of this message or any information it contains, by anyone other than the addressee is prohibited by the sender. Any views expressed in this communication are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of Council.
[WSG] Strange empty XHTML element issues in IE FF
Title: Message I came across a strange issue last night while converting some XML data via an XSL template into XHTML. Issue 1: In the Head sectionof my XHTML I had an empty script element (see below). IE refused to load the page. FF had no problem with this. script type="text/_javascript_" src=""/ To get IE past this line in the markup I had to change the text to read: script type="text/_javascript_" src=""/script Issue 2: In the body of my document I have an empty div. IE rendered the page correctly. FF didn't close the element, so my CSS didn't get implemented correctly. div class="clear"/ To allow FF to process the div, I had to modify the line to: div class="clear"/div I thought I might need to add a space before the forward slash (ie. div class="clear" /), but this didn't make any difference. What's also weird is that I have plenty of other self-closing elements in the document, but these didn't break the browsers. While the problems have bothbeen resolved, I was just hoping there might be someone more fluent with FF IE's processing of XHTML to explain why this occurred in the first place. Here's the URLs for both pages: http://www.lakemac.com.au/lakemac_final/pageTransformed_broken.html(breaks in IE FF) http://www.lakemac.com.au/lakemac_final/pageTransformed.html(fixed) Best Regards, Paul Hempsall Web Developer Lake Macquarie City Council Phone: (02) 4921-0713 Fax: (02) 4921-0566 Web: http://www.lakemac.com.au This information is intended for the addressee only. The use, copying or distribution of this message or any information it contains, by anyone other than the addressee is prohibited by the sender. Any views expressed in this communication are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of Council.
RE: [WSG] Strange empty XHTML element issues in IE FF
Thanks for everyone's responses - a wealth of information, as usual. Nick: I'm using plain text now for my emails, I apologise for the inconvenience. PaulH This information is intended for the addressee only. The use, copying or distribution of this message or any information it contains, by anyone other than the addressee is prohibited by the sender. Any views expressed in this communication are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of Council. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Strange empty XHTML element issues in IE FF
Just a followup - in case anyone else was following this thread. I found a really informative page that expands on the answers provided on this list: http://www.xml.com/pub/a/2003/03/19/dive-into-xml.html I've also discovered (after trying to figure out why the W3C Validator kept saying my MIME type was text/html) that you need to ensure that the server has it's MIME types setup properly so that the document is delivered to the client as application/xhtml+xml. PaulH This information is intended for the addressee only. The use, copying or distribution of this message or any information it contains, by anyone other than the addressee is prohibited by the sender. Any views expressed in this communication are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of Council. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Address Element
I found an interesting blog entry on Yesterdayishere (Bojan Janjanin). It discusses the use of this element. http://yesterdayishere.com/wordpress/arhiva/2005/11/29/the-address-element/ Might prove helpful. Best Regards, Paul Hempsall Web Developer Lake Macquarie City Council Phone: (02) 4921-0713 Fax: (02) 4921-0566 Web: http://www.lakemac.com.au -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christian Montoya Sent: Monday, 20 February 2006 3:45 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Address Element On 2/19/06, Miika Mäkinen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Christian, that's what I kinda thought. Still, what struct me on the definition is or a major part of a document such as a form. Now what is the major part of a document that lists contact information for one or multiple businesses? These documents are used to contact the listings, not the author. Also, who is the author if we are just publishing listings provided (or authored) by the businesses? I told you, you are the author, as in, the markup-writer author... for every page you work on, the only person that can go in the address tag is you... or the webmaster running the site. About appearing once, would you think it is correct to use it on a page that represents a single listing? For example http://yellowpages-cambodia.com/media/publishers-graphic-designers-pre press-etc/iq-design-13728.html No, it's still not okay for that. Still not too convinced... though might change it to hcard anyways. That would be a good idea. -- -- Christian Montoya christianmontoya.com ... rdpdesign.com ... cssliquid.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** This information is intended for the addressee only. The use, copying or distribution of this message or any information it contains, by anyone other than the addressee is prohibited by the sender. Any views expressed in this communication are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of Council. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Standards and .NET
Avoid using the pre-wrapped ASP.NET controls. DataGrids aren't so bad, but you get much more mark-up control by using a Repeater. Similarly, rather than using an asp:label, there's a mark-upless version that doesn't insert span elements. I forget the name, sorry, but it does exist. I think Ben might be referring to the asp:literal control. I use this quite a lot as it gives you complete control over your HTML output. Also, I've implemented the free XHTML Strict filter from Rider Design. Works great. It essentially captures the HTTP stream before it hits the client and adjusts the stream to ensure compliance. http://www.riderdesign.com/products/ I must admit, I try and avoid the web controls that create the markup for you. I generally call on my own classes that generate compliant markup. Best Regards, Paul Hempsall Web Developer Lake Macquarie City Council Tel: (02) 4921 0713 Fax: (02) 4958 7257 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: http://www.lakemac.com.au This information is intended for the addressee only. The use, copying or distribution of this message or any information it contains, by anyone other than the addressee is prohibited by the sender. Any views expressed in this communication are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of Council. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Weird CSS validation issue
Title: Message Hey all, I'm still fairly new to CSS and wanted to validate my CSS before asking some advice from this group, but I keep getting weird errors ONLY when I validate the online CSS file. I'm using the W3C CSS Validation Service: http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/ I canvalidate my local copy of the CSS file and receive no errors, however when I try and validate my online version, it has errors everywhere. Actually, I didn't think the items that it's reporting were errors. For example, I'm using % for font-size - but it doesn't like this. It also fails on my shorthand hex colours (ie. #000 instead of #00). TheXHTML file validates fine, both locally and online. Here's the relevant addresses: http://www.lakemac.com.au/new/default.htm http://www.lakemac.com.au/new/css/screen_home.css What am I doing wrong? Thanks in advance for your help. Best Regards, Paul Hempsall Web Developer Lake Macquarie City CouncilTel: (02) 4921 0713Fax: (02) 4958 7257Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Web: http://www.lakemac.com.au This information is intended for the addressee only. The use, copying or distribution of this message or any information it contains, by anyone other than the addressee is prohibited by the sender. Any views expressed in this communication are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of Council.
RE: [WSG] Weird CSS validation issue
Title: Message Thanks all for your help. I removed all the media types, except for "screen", from my CSS link - this worked a treat. Ifixed my language to "en" not "em" while I was at it... thanks. Best Regards, Paul Hempsall Web Developer Lake Macquarie City CouncilTel: (02) 4921 0713Fax: (02) 4958 7257Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Web: http://www.lakemac.com.au -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul HempsallSent: Thursday, 25 November 2004 10:47 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [WSG] Weird CSS validation issue Hey all, I'm still fairly new to CSS and wanted to validate my CSS before asking some advice from this group, but I keep getting weird errors ONLY when I validate the online CSS file. I'm using the W3C CSS Validation Service: http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/ I canvalidate my local copy of the CSS file and receive no errors, however when I try and validate my online version, it has errors everywhere. Actually, I didn't think the items that it's reporting were errors. For example, I'm using % for font-size - but it doesn't like this. It also fails on my shorthand hex colours (ie. #000 instead of #00). TheXHTML file validates fine, both locally and online. Here's the relevant addresses: http://www.lakemac.com.au/new/default.htm http://www.lakemac.com.au/new/css/screen_home.css What am I doing wrong? Thanks in advance for your help. Best Regards, Paul Hempsall Web Developer Lake Macquarie City CouncilTel: (02) 4921 0713Fax: (02) 4958 7257Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Web: http://www.lakemac.com.au This information is intended for the addressee only. The use, copying or distribution of this message or any information it contains, by anyone other than the addressee is prohibited by the sender.Any views expressed in this communication are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of Council.
RE: [WSG] converting WORD text into clean XHTML
XStandard will do this on-the-fly. It's a WYSIWYG editor plugin for CMSs, not a stand-alone product. http://www.xstandard.com/ Paul Hempsall Web Developer Lake Macquarie City Council Tel: (02) 4921 0713 Fax: (02) 4958 7257 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: http://www.lakemac.com.au -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of john Sent: Tuesday, 23 November 2004 9:10 AM To: web standards group Subject: [WSG] converting WORD text into clean XHTML Hi group. I'm wondering if there's some easy (and free) way to convert text from a WORD document into clean XHTML that retains the formatting. Thanks. -- ~john _ Dr. Zeus Web Development http://www.DrZeus.net content without clutter ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** This information is intended for the addressee only. The use, copying or distribution of this message or any information it contains, by anyone other than the addressee is prohibited by the sender. Any views expressed in this communication are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of Council. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
