Re: [WSG] FOUC Safari 2.0
On 16 jun 2005, at 04.23, Chris Kennon wrote: Has anyone any idea if the FOUC in Safari 2.0 is remedied with similar methods to IE? Safari's FOUC was introduced in 1.3/2.0 and seems to mostly appear on pages that have Google ads. Apple are aware of the problem, so I'm hoping a fix will be in the next update. /Roger -- http://www.456bereastreet.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] the use of reset buttons on forms
On 15 jun 2005, at 02.48, Andreas Boehmer wrote: just wanted to hear what other people's thoughts on this topic are. I have been adding submit reset buttons to most of my forms all along. But I am getting the feeling that the reset button is not only a waste of time, but in fact fairly user-unfriendly. Yes, very unfriendly: http://www.useit.com/alertbox/2416.html /Roger -- http://www.456bereastreet.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Standards and ADS
On 14 jun 2005, at 14.20, Jad Madi wrote: Hi Will ADS break web standards in any mean ? such as Google ads, and Amazon ads? Yes. You need to use some workarounds to be able to serve Google ads if you use application/xhtml+xml to deliver XHTML. More info here: http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200409/ content_negotiation_adsense_and_comments/ The iframe created by the ad script still contains old-skool tag-soup though. No way around that. /Roger -- http://www.456bereastreet.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Validation error question for XHTML Strict
On 6 maj 2005, at 08.01, tee wrote: But it is in the div Example: div id=form form method=post action=form.cgi input type=hidden name=postmode value=QUANTITYBOXES / You need a block level element _inside_ the form element: form div input / /div /Roger -- http://www.456bereastreet.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Valid blockquote scenarios?
On 6 maj 2005, at 21.53, Lukasz Grabun wrote: Matt Thommes wrote: blockquotepTEXT/p/blockquote blockquoteTEXT/blockquote - Is the p even necessary? If so, does it go INSIDE or OUTSIDE the blockquote? Both are correct. I use the former one when there are more than one paragraph to cite. Unless I'm misreading the W3C Recommendation, blockquote elements can only have block-level content. That makes the second example incorrect. From http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/struct/text.html#h-9.2.2 : !ELEMENT BLOCKQUOTE - - (%block;|SCRIPT)+ -- long quotation -- BLOCKQUOTE is for long quotations (block-level content) and Q is intended for short quotations (inline content) that don't require paragraph breaks. So yes, the p (or some other block-level element) is necessary, and it goes inside the blockquote element. /Roger -- http://www.456bereastreet.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Valid blockquote scenarios?
On 6 maj 2005, at 22.57, Lukasz Grabun wrote: Roger Johansson wrote: Unless I'm misreading the W3C Recommendation, blockquote elements can only have block-level content. That makes the second example incorrect. From http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/struct/text.html#h-9.2.2 : So yes, the p (or some other block-level element) is necessary, and it goes inside the blockquote element. Have a look: http://grabun.com/tmp/block-no-p.html Ah. It's allowed in Transitional, but not in Strict. I never use Transitional these days so I didn't think about that, but yes, that document is valid. /Roger -- http://www.456bereastreet.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] best practice?
On 28 apr 2005, at 22.04, designer wrote: Thing. The point is, this doesn't work in IE IE6 in standards mode does, actually. But you need to give the element you want to centre an explicit width. See Centring (centering) in this document: http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200503/ css_tips_and_tricks_part_2/ /Roger -- http://www.456bereastreet.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Accessible dropdown menus
Hi all, I have a client that insists on having a dropdown menu. I have tried talking them out of it, but no. So I have to implement one of the web gadgets that I detest most of all. Fortunately only a basic single level vertical dropdown is needed. I've looked at some techniques but haven't found one that I'm completely happy with. Here are the requirements: * Semantic markup (i.e. nested unordered lists) * Graceful degradation when support for CSS and/or JavaScript is missing * Keyboard navigable, preferrably with optionally expandable menus. * Top level menu items should be real links * Menus drop down on hover (obviously) Some of the techniques I've looked at: Suckerfish http://www.htmldog.com/articles/suckerfish/dropdowns/ Neat, but not keyboard friendly Ultimate Drop Down Menu http://www.brothercake.com/dropdown/ Fully featured, but s-l-o-w. Overkill for this simple menu. YADM http://www.onlinetools.org/tools/yadm/ Close, but when tabbing through the menu the currently focused link can't be seen unless you first expand the menu. Easymenu http://www.easymenu.co.uk/ Also close, but menus are expanded automatically, forcing keyboard users to tab through all links. Neither of these techniques seem to get it all right. At least as far as I can tell. So, have any of you implemented a horizontal, single level dropdown menu that you are completely happy with when it comes to accessibility? /Roger -- http://www.456bereastreet.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Accessible dropdown menus
On 14 apr 2005, at 09.07, Dmitry Baranovskiy wrote: I am not shure is my menu realisation fit to your requierments, but you could take a look: http://siter.com.au/dmitry/dyn-3-menu/index.html On 14 apr 2005, at 09.58, Jeremy Dowe wrote: There is a new article specially on the advantages and disadvantages of drop downs. http://www.alistapart.com/articles/hybrid/ - all code inclusive. Hi, Thanks for responding, but nope, neither of those is what I'm looking for. /Roger -- http://www.456bereastreet.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Main Content won't Center Align in IE
IE Doesnt understand margin: auto IE6 does, as does IE5/Mac. Only if you are worried about IE5.*/Win do you need the text-align hack. /Roger -- http://www.456bereastreet.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Making accessible a one-text field form with an image submit button?
On 20 mar 2005, at 03.29, Sigurd Magnusson wrote: Cheers - had wondered about using display:none, but always feel a little annoyed there aren't better ways; it surprises me that an alt tag on the input type=text / is insufficient. That's because the alt attribute is only relevant for input elements with type=image. /Roger -- http://www.456bereastreet.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Change to application/xhtml+xml breaks background colour.
On 20 mar 2005, at 02.10, Michael Dale wrote: See the blue behind the header? That should be the background colour for the whole site. Now this only happens when I output application/xhtml+xml. Go have a look in IE (which gets text/html), its fine. Since you've started using application/xhtml+xml, you may be interested in something I wrote a while ago: http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200501/ the_perils_of_using_xhtml_properly/ /Roger ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Making accessible a one-text field form with an image submit button?
On 19 mar 2005, at 08.51, Sigurd Magnusson wrote: However, it seems that even if I put an ALT on the text field, the automated WCAG-AA test still fails the form; why?? Because it isn't associated with the text input field, which is what needs a label. I could put the label around the image button, or have a blank one, but this sort of defeats the purpose in my opinion... ideas? If you're determined not to show the label, you can use CSS to hide it from visual browsers. /Roger -- http://www.456bereastreet.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] quot; or in copy?
On 17 feb 2005, at 03.14, David R wrote: I mean, provided you send the document from the server as unicode, why must we resort to entities for non-reserved characters? You don't. If you use unicode, you don't have to use character references. /Roger ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Around We Go
On 16 feb 2005, at 21.33, Chris Kennon wrote: This example of rounded corners (http://kalsey.com/2003/07/rounded_corners_in_css/), is elegant and efficient, but 2 years old. I've googled til blurry eyed, but have only found contemporary examples with 8 nested divs and other nightmares. Would someone guide me to a standards based solution without all the gif wrapping? Take a look at these: http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200406/css_teaser_box/ http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200406/css_teaser_box_revisited/ http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200406/ flexible_box_with_custom_corners_and_borders/ /Roger -- http://www.456bereastreet.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Why DO floats not stretch their containers?
On 11 feb 2005, at 00.17, John Horner wrote: My question is, *why* is the correct behaviour the first one? It takes a lot of people by surprise and they often see what IE does as the natural and obvious thing to do. I'm not trying to start a flame war, I really want to know! Eric Meyer's Containing Floats article explains it pretty well: http://www.complexspiral.com/publications/containing-floats/ /Roger -- http://www.456bereastreet.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Your opinions about my weblog's new layout
On 16 jan 2005, at 07.44, Bruno Torres wrote: People using mac please, check it for me (iCapture is not working so I have nowhere to test on mac browsers). Nice! Looks good in Safari, OmniWeb, Opera, and Firefox. The menu bar breaks in IE/Mac - the tabs are stacked vertically instead of lining up horizontally. I'm guessing that you're floating the tabs and didn't specify a width for them, which IE/Mac needs. FYI: I tried taking a look at your old (current) layout, but something crashes Safari every time. Not sure what causes it. HTH /Roger -- http://www.456bereastreet.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Slightly OT... Interview with IE Dev team
A while a go, I wrote a bit about the problems with IE [1], and asked myself (and anyone reading) some questions about why Microsoft has not done anything to make IE better in several years. Several interesting theories are mentioned in the comments, but what I think is most likely closest to the truth is in comment #26 [2]. A quote: Microsoft is not improving standards support in IE because they want to discourage the use of the browser as a platform for developing applications that are not operating system dependant. Improving support for CSS, PNG, and other standards such as Xforms, etc. would only make the browser a better application platform. It doesnt matter if Microsoft owns the browser market. If developers switch over to creating standards based web applications Microsoft loses control of their customers. Standards based web applications can be easily run in competing browsers and, yes, even on competing operating systems. So, you may want to forward this theory and ask them how close to the truth it is. [1] http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200412/ internet_explorer_is_already_breaking_the_web/ [2] http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200412/ internet_explorer_is_already_breaking_the_web/#comment2433 /Roger -- http://www.456bereastreet.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Slightly OT... Interview with IE Dev team
On 6 jan 2005, at 19.14, David R wrote: But I'm convinced Microsoft will make IE7 support standards... why? Because VS 2005 supports the entire XHTML1.1 and CSS2.1 spec, even if Internet Explorer 6 doesn't. This would be wasting the VS dev team's time if they weren't going to make these features available commonplace in a short while. I hope you're right. I've heard about the next version of Visual Studio being much better, so it does look promising. Still, it would be interesting to hear the IE dev team's response to the quote I sent. I'd understand if they aren't able to respond to that (either because they aren't allowed to, or because they just don't know). /Roger -- http://www.456bereastreet.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Slow loading of CSS
On 3 jan 2005, at 14.02, Lea de Groot wrote: Its called a FOUC - a flash of unstyled content. Does this problem happen with other browsers? From memory, it only happens in IE5.5 and Safari (ok, that probably means it happens in Konquerer too...) Safari? I use it all the time, 10-15 hours a day, and I can't remember ever seeing a FOUC in Safari. Could it be that it only happens in the very first versions? I didn't use Safari full time until late 2003, when Mac OS X 10.3 and Safari 1.1 were released, so I may not have paid attention to any FOUC going on in releases before that. Or have I just been lucky? /Roger -- http://www.456bereastreet.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Checking in as many browsers as possible
On 18 dec 2004, at 20.12, Wong Chin Shin wrote: I've never failed to be amazed when somebody does a site review listing test results with 10 UAs or more. How many machines do you have running in your cubicle?!?!? One. A PowerMac G4 running Mac OS X, with Virtual PC installed. I can run any browser for Mac OS 9, Mac OS X, Windows Me, 2000, or XP. I haven't installed any form of Linux, but you could do that as well, either directly on the Mac or on a Virtual PC disk image. Some advice for Windows users - don't bother with those Mac emulators that only let you run Mac OS 7.5, which was released in 1994. It's like checking your stuff in Windows 95. Spend some money on a used iMac or PowerMac G4 instead. It doesn't have to be very new - basically anything released after 1998 will do (just make sure it can run Mac OS X) - so it won't cost you a lot. /Roger -- http://www.456bereastreet.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] accessible image form buttons
On 17 dec 2004, at 01.36, Andreas Boehmer wrote: The problem is the input style doesn't work in all browsers. In particular Opera and some of the Mac browsers will ignore them, if I remember correctly. A couple of months ago, I spent hours (or was it days?) making screenshots of styled form controls [1] in various browsers, and can confirm this. Safari ignores nearly every attempt at styling, and others apply certain styles only. The conclusion is that form controls _will_ look very different in different browsers, no matter what you do (unless you use JavaScript hackery to create your own controls). [1] http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200410/ styling_even_more_form_controls/ /Roger ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] LOCAL XHTML TESTING - HOW TO DO IT?
On 12 dec 2004, at 14.15, Charles Slack wrote: LOCAL XHTML TESTING - HOW TO DO IT? An easy way to check how Mozilla based browsers handle it is to change the file extension of your XHTML documents from .html to .xhtml. This will make Mozilla/Firefox treat it as application/xhtml+xml (check View Page Info), and alert you of any well-formedness errors. /Roger -- http://www.456bereastreet.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Defining A Definition List
On 29 nov 2004, at 22.58, Terrence Wood wrote: While we can argue that the date, author and article name may well be a list of meta-data for a news article the content is not... the article is the data. I think the concept of a news article is a well established one that doesn't need to be abstracted to such degree in markup. It's unneccessarily pedantic IMHO. For the full article, I agree. But what about a sidebar that shows excerpts from several news articles, along with their title, date, and a link to the full article? Wouldn't that be an appropriate use of a definition list? /Roger -- http://www.456bereastreet.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] turkish text - can you assign a language or encoding to a div?
On 22 nov 2004, at 23.00, Ted Drake wrote: If you are doing a web site and you only have sporadic use of turkish characters, can't you wrap that text in a div and assign it a language? I haven't done this before so I'm asking not suggesting. But I thought that I have seen that as a semantic way to show that there will be languages other than the native on a page. Now, is there also a way to designate the character encoding on a div or span? Language, yes. You can use the lang attribute [1] to specify the language of any HTML element. Character encoding, no. That is set once for the whole document. [1] http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/struct/dirlang.html#adef-lang /Roger -- http://www.456bereastreet.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] discussion at juicy studio: It's all in the MIME
On 11 nov 2004, at 01.40, Jason Foss wrote: Is anyone aware of a good reference on configuring Apache to serve the files as the correct MIME type? Something in English would be good - a system administrator I'm not! Does it need to be set up in a per-site basis (as they're all set up as Virtual Hosts.) I'm assuming this can be done with .htaccess files? Some articles about this have been mentioned already, but here are a few more, though none of them specifically deal with content negotiation in .htaccess files: [1] http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200408/content_negotiation/ [2] http://keystonewebsites.com/articles/mime_type.php [3] http://www.autisticcuckoo.net/archive.php?id=2004/11/03/content- negotiation Note the function in [3] to convert XHTML to HTML before sending it as text/html. /Roger -- http://www.456bereastreet.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Input File Format
On 7 okt 2004, at 20.42, Genau Junior wrote: I´m having some dificulty to set the size of [input=file] form element. I can set the width through CSS on Mozzila, but IE cant set the size that i formated on CSS file. Anyone can help me how i set a size on INPUT FILE on both browsers? Styling form elements to look the same across browsers and platforms is generally not possible, at least not with CSS only. To show how different form controls are in different browsers and operating systems, I've made a bunch of screen shots of several different form controls and how they react to different CSS rules. For each form control, there are screen shots from a whole lot (well, eleven right now) of different browsers and operating systems: http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200409/styling_form_controls/ /Roger -- http://www.456bereastreet.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Mac site check please...
On 28 sep 2004, at 08.37, Francesco wrote: I am developing using ASP.NET, which we all know is not XHTML compliant, Hi. You may be interested in the articles at ASP.NET Resources [1], more specifically Producing XHTML-Compliant Pages With Response Filters [2], which explains how to clean up the mess. I successfully implemented this in a recent project, so you can make ASP.NET based sites validate :) [1] http://aspnetresources.com/ [2] http://aspnetresources.com/articles/HttpFilters.aspx /Roger -- http://www.456bereastreet.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] website will not show in Safari
On 25 sep 2004, at 17.14, Parker Torrence wrote: Greetings All, My name is Parker and I have a problem that is effecting a number of my websites on a number of domains. It seems that they will not display in Safari. (but I'm told that the favicon does show up.) ?xml version=1.0 encoding=iso-8859-14? meta http-equiv=content-type content=text/html; charset=iso-8859-14 / You're right. Nothing at all shows up in Safari. Not even when you view source. I'm guessing it has something to do with the character encoding you have specified, iso-8859-14, which looks like a typo. Try changing it to iso-8859-1 and it should work better. /Roger -- http://www.456bereastreet.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] website will not show in Safari
On 25 sep 2004, at 19.32, Parker Torrence wrote: not a typo http://www.wordiq.com/definition/ISO_8859-14 but I'm Ok. It isn't listed in Safari's list of character encodings, so I guess Safari just doesn't support it. http://www.unfolded.net/webdesign/parker-1.php using iso-8859-1 http://www.unfolded.net/webdesign/parker-wasp-t.php using a WaSP template w/o character encoding. Both pages display in Safari, with no obvious problems. /Roger -- http://www.456bereastreet.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] question about iframe accessibility
On 21 sep 2004, at 02.26, Ted Drake wrote: To satisfy level 2 I have a problem with a series of input fields. For multiple travelers, we have 10 boxes for ages. I have a label associated with the first age and then alt tags on the following inputs. Should I wrap all ten inputs in the lable tag as I've seen elsewhere? I'd rather not create a label for each ten boxes. What do you think? Each input should have its own label. Consider what happens when you click on a label - the matching form control gets focus or is activated. You can use a fieldset to group the input fields. /Roger -- http://www.456bereastreet.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Better Flexible Rounded Corners Option? and Site Check
On 8 sep 2004, at 22.57, JW wrote: I am looking for a flexible rounded corners (with borders) that is not restrictive to size. Googled for some but most are filled with lots of complex solutions (lots of html meddling and tones of css codes). Hi. Take a look at what I came up with a while back: http://www.456bereastreet.com/lab/flexible_custom_corners_borders/ Related post: http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200406/ flexible_box_with_custom_corners_and_borders/ http://www.456bereastreet.com/lab/teaser/one_image/ Related post: http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200406/css_teaser_box/ /Roger -- http://www.456bereastreet.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Better Flexible Rounded Corners Option? and Site Check
On 9 sep 2004, at 15.11, JW wrote: It shows fine in Firefox, Opera 7 and IE6 but it breaks in IE5. Any solutions? Probably box model related, if it breaks in IE5 and not IE6. I don't have IE5/Win handy here to take a look. In what way does it break? /Roger -- http://www.456bereastreet.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Your Mozilla Vote Counts!
On 22 aug 2004, at 17.23, Vlad Alexander ((XStandard)) wrote: Mozilla fans, we need your help. The Mozilla version of the standards-compliant XHTML WYSIWYG editor XStandard is almost ready. Will that make it work on the Mac as well? I suspect not, but I'm hoping :-) /Roger -- http://www.456bereastreet.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] The Tables Revenge
On 5 jul 2004, at 22.43, ckimedia wrote: I've read this, and found it useful but isn't it retrograde making div's into table cells so we can style non tabular data in a table ? http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200406/ equal_height_boxes_with_css_part_ii/ I made that example to show that it's possible to use CSS to vertically align content in a div (or other container), or make several containers (with an unknown and variable amount of content) the same height. Just not in Internet Explorer. Since this is just visual styling, a table isn't really appropriate (unless what you're styling is tabular data, obviously). If you use a table, you're stuck with a table, and if later on you want to change the layout, you will probably need to edit the HTML as well as the CSS. /Roger -- http://www.456bereastreet.com/ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Please use plain text in emails
On 5 jul 2004, at 06.58, Hugh Todd wrote: So, please use plain text in emails if you want to be read. I second that. Tiny, unreadable text = I hit the delete key. /Roger -- http://www.456bereastreet.com/ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Safari and Opera
On 5 jun 2004, at 12.56, 7 sinz wrote: Now i dont know if any one else has tried this ; but im trying to hide input borders which is working in Mozilla,IE ( all version/platfroms) but after doing a few browser cams, i notice that safari still place borders around the input's ,the same problem ( with even) the latest version of Opera for windows. Has anyone got a way of doing it? No. Styling form elements the same across platforms and browsers is not possible, since several browsers use the operating system's native widgets, and ignore most attempts at styling them. /Roger -- http://www.456bereastreet.com/ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Correct way to swap style sheets based on Browser?
On 31 maj 2004, at 06.17, Justin French wrote: Then we @import an advanced style sheet over the top for modern browsers. IE4 and NN4 won't see this style sheet, because they don't support the @import function. style type='text/css' @import url(css/modern.css); /style IE4 actually does support @import, and will load the css file in the above example. However, if you specify the URL in a slightly different way it won't: @import css/modern.css; /Roger -- http://www.456bereastreet.com/ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] quotes on q tag
On 31 maj 2004, at 08.34, Lea de Groot wrote:
How are people handling putting quotes on q tags?
I used a quote yesterday and while moz (I think) and Safari both had
quotes built in, IE did not.
Is there a definitive approach?
I though I might do it manually (and thus reliably), but setting
q {
quotes: none;
}
didnt seem to affect the compliant browsers.
IE/Win doesn't support the q element properly, so you can either let
users of that browser miss out on the quotes, or add quotes manually
and use CSS to turn off the automatically added quotes in modern
browsers:
q {
quotes:none;
}
q:before {
content: ;
}
q:after {
content: ;
}
The above does not work in IE5/Mac, so people using that will get
double quotes.
This way you can use the typographically correct quote marks for the
language used, and not the standard that all browsers seem to add by
default.
/Roger
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Re: [WSG] IE Max-width Emulation and Auto Centre
On 31 maj 2004, at 20.39, Mike Pepper wrote: One other issue: I'd like to maintain these product icons and associated text http://www.english-sofas.co.uk/els_new/ contemporary_leather_sofas_1.htm as auto-centre but I'm holding each model as a constrained image and text within a single href. There are ways to achieve this by folding each href in a div but I'm looking for an elegant solution. Not sure what you mean by auto-centre. The product images and their associated text look horizontally centered to me. There is a slight problem in Safari though. Because the images are wrapped in the links, and are treated as inline content, they get an underline on hover, just like the text below them. You can fix it by adding display:block to the .model img rule. /Roger -- http://www.456bereastreet.com/ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
