Re: [WSG] .net question
Thanks Peter, and Ben, for great insight. I will try to a collaborative aproach with the developer. I know that a in a previous situation with another developer we used repeaters to output standards code, i would like to be able to stick css possitioning into a form repeater for him. im not even sure exactly on the difference between a repeater and a control but im reading up on the msdn site, Building ASP.NET 2.0 Web Sites Using Web Standards and asp.net for designers. ill let you know how i get on thanks again -kevin ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] .net question
hello, i just went to a lot of trouble style a form, fieldsets, legends and all. The visual studio programmer whos taking over the next phase says it will be coverted into tables. we can't control database content all we can do is contain it that was his argument. why cant he contain it with css. can somebody help me educate him? maybe i should have this on the cms list. -best kevin mcmonagle ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] .net question
Rachel Yes the comments have been helpful, basically confirming my suspicions. If you would like to see some examples of what im talking about heres one of the 1st sites i did with the programmer in question. notice the special offers section and the reservations form-when he got it there wasnt a table in site. http://www.shandonhotel.com/ Christian . The guy is a slacker, i worked with him on several projects and he just wants to make the client happy, dosnt care if its hacked silly. Im a bit sloppy myself sometimes buy i dont like using tables-at all. Hes probably somewhat unsure of the exact way to customize the output but hes def not going spend extra time to learn how to do it right either. I had to sell webstandards when i started designing for these guys. the agreed to make the transformation but now there starting to get really laxed especially this dude. also your right about something else, hes not taking my suggestions very well. I have a meeting to discuss these issues on monday, its going to be a bloodbath. My only hope is to sell the project manager on total tabless layout and working towards valid code css. thanks everyone kevin ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] .net question
adam wrote: Perhaps you should encourage some development of a collection of base controls for your development team? yes i will make a case for this, any suggestions for my arguments??? basically need to sell the project manager who is cool but only concerned with the bottom line. The developer will take the angle that im an overly emotional designer and who cares how its made as long as the client is happy, plus he will argue/exagerate the time it will take him to develop a standards script library of controls. i need to prove that its worthwile financially. i guess i can hit them with the screen reader/usability thing again but ive allready done that. thanks kevin ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] .net question
thanks ben, ok maybe im overeacting a bit, it gets to me when i spend time doing something with css then it goes out the window for a table, would you just use p's and h's instead of the definition list in the middle column body text? I dont know about using the table for the special offers section, i think that would work well as a defintion list thanks kevin ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] targeting link class problem
hello, How would i target a:hover on the following links? I tried a few things but cant get down to the classes(one, two). div id=navcontainershort ul li a href=# class=onebla bla/a/li li a href=# class=twobla/a/li -best kevin ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] targeting link class problem
thanks russ and crew,
my mistake was that i was putting the class first...
like this
.one ul li a:hover{
background-color: #88CAEF;
}
-kevin
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Re: [WSG] Ads breaking Compliancy
Hello all, Below is a site in progress. http://www.donegalengineers.com/index.htm The footer likes to float up in firefox. as is visible in this page http://www.donegalengineers.com/results.htm any ideas why? p.s. The last site i showed here got slagged silly for the font size. For this site I had originally tried 100% and 83% for body copy as was suggested by a moderate replier. When the client first saw the site he immediately requested the font size be brought down so i cranked it back to 75%. That being said i didnt put up much of a fight but i still might try and get him to agree to an increase. thanks kvnmcwebn ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Ads breaking Compliancy
thanks george, your the man. -will do on the fixed font sizes -best kvnmcwebn ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] CSS and Flash
Pls forgive my ignorance on this subject matter, I am seeking the wisdom from the list regarding CSS and objects, flash in this case. Can I leverage CSS to show common flash content across all pages of a site or am i barking up the wrong tree? Jesse said You can't embed Flash using CSS, your prob right but what about that flash as a css background someone was posting about here a while back?? -best kvnmcwebn ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] help with jello mold
Hello, im an eedgit... How can i make the right sidebar div (black border-final.css) go to the top and clear the #toprow div(pink border-theme.css) to the left? Been at this for a while havnt fully grasped the jello layout yet. http://www.mcmonagle.biz/finalsite/jello2.html http://www.mcmonagle.biz/finalsite/final.css http://www.mcmonagle.biz/finalsite/theme.css -best kvnmcwebn ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] help with jello mold
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Re: [WSG] help with jello mold
Hello, having big problems with the jello layout again, It works exactly how i want in firefox but breaks in ie... cant fix it..tried hard. PLEASE help. http://www.mcmonagle.biz/finalsite/jello2.html http://www.mcmonagle.biz/finalsite/final.css http://www.mcmonagle.biz/finalsite/theme.css -best kvnmcwebn ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] help with jello mold
Looking with Firefox 1.0.7, I get a horizontal scroll bar. It looks broken but I don't know the layout you're trying to achieve. I was looking at the source and I noticed your body tag is broken. Could that be causing problems? thanks mike, now i know that its only working in ff 1.5 i fixed the body tag. still no help. -best kvnmcwebn ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Site Check Please (Citinet Lending)
did you test it in firefox yet? In ff your footer seems to break way out of the wrapper. -best kvnmcwebn ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Site Check Please (Citinet Lending)
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RE: [WSG] site check: FONT sizes
i might leave this site the way it is but on my next site i will try and implement a font size adjuster. lisa, If you provide the user with a Javascript pop-up window that they right-click to display a pretty flash-based font-increasing app, the user could increase the font as much as they like. It's known as the 'Clydesdale Hack'. can you give me an example of the this?...it sounds like this would be a tough nut to crack for me. are there other recommended options for a font volume controller, swicthing style sheets/skins etc.. i dont want my designs to look crappy but i personally always up the text a couple sizes for easier reading using command +- in ff. would be cool to implement something that allowed users to do the same in ie. -best kvnmcwebn ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] site check: FONT sizes
Lisa forgot to put the sarcasm tags around her content. She wasn't being serious there... ...lisa please stop horsing around... i guess i will have to research the issue more... try and find the balance.. -best kvn ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] site check
felix, dont mean to throw another log on the fire...but i think the font size can vary somewhat depending on the nature of the content. -best kvn ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] site check
hello i have a site that i need a bit of advice on, i got some great help here allready for it. ..1st it dosnt validate right now but i will get it to pass after i address some other issues. the site was critiqued rather harshly by a third party consultant- here is the original email. -not sure how much truth is in some of this stuff. i know that there are a good few hacks and some bugs in it but im trying!!! Hi Nick, Well I had a very quick look at it and though visually the site is nice there are a couple of serious problems, I'm afraid. The first is that it has been developed using a table based layout. This is a very outmoded way of developing and can be problematic. Now content and presentation are separated using CSS. This in itself goes long way to creating an accessible site. Some alt text has been used to describe images, which is good. The bigger problem is that there are no HTML headings used in the site, from what I can see. All site content must be marked up using semantic HTML to structure the document.This enables a blind user to see the document and navigate it easily. The site does however look good and hopefully many users will be able to find what they need, but people with disabilities will more than likely have a hard time as the site is not accessible to them. The HTML issue can be easily changed by structuring the page content using structural HTML. here is the address http://63.134.237.108/ any feedback at all greatly appreciated thanks a mill kvn ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] site check
thanks guys, Yes we did double check and make sure he checked the right site. at first i thought he surely must have been checking the old site... http://www.families.ie/ but no he was checking the right url. The consultant is an employee of the irish government.nevermind i wont go there. Unfortunately i have no site address for the consultant but he did recommend that the developers visit this url to learn more http://www.webaim.org/techniques/ If i get my hands on it though- ill slip it in bigtime. thanks again kvn ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] site check
I will do as josh suggested. Actually using flash is a good idea for the maps especially as they are going national and will have all counties in the republic on there. The you are here is a breadcrumb that has yet to be programmed. good idea on using positioned text instead of the image map buttons.- Can i get a second opinion on felix's advice? thanks kvn ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] site check
What did Felix advise?
He's right as far as he went. There's another serious accessibility
problem he didn't touch on, plus a corollary, which you can see in the
screenshot. In your CSS is an accessibility issue, as well as one of
manners: 'body {font:75%...'. Browser makers provide users with a
preference adjustment precisely so that they can optimize to the size
that best suits them. Your visitors are not interested in having you
rudely reduce content text size from their preference by some arbitrary
%. Even though your text is technically resizable, a WinIE visitor who
already has his text already set to larger or largest will be unable to
make your text larger or enough larger and thus big enough to read with
his text resizer widget. Let your visitors be able to use your site
without fighting through this rude and unnecessary basic
usability/accessibility obstacle. See:
http://www.useit.com/alertbox/designmistakes.html;
-kvn
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RE: [WSG] CSS Holy Gruel
Hi Al, nice layout, future proof and all, The only bummer is that it sets off my i.e content blocker. -looked at the javascript and my vision got blurry. Is there anything to look out for when playing with the column widths? -thanks kvnmcwebn ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] semantic help needed
I have to semantically mark up large lists of contact info. Below is an example of one of the list items. Is this the best way to mark it up? dl dt class=HeadAccord Inishowendt dtContact Name:/dt ddSecretary: Breege Canny dd dtContact Informationdt dd Tel: 074 937 4103 - 07493 74103/dd dd Fax: 074 9374103/dd ddWeb Site: Click to view./dd dd Email: Send Email../dd /dl -thanks kvnmcwebn ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] semantic help needed
Paul- I think your initial DT element is widowed and needs at least one DD before the next DT because it functions as the title for the entire subsequent structure. This looks like two-level nesting to me, and I'd tend to mark it up like this: kvn- I think you hit the nail on the head, i knew that there a better way to relate the top term with the subsequent content, i even though about using an h for a second. in this structure from the w3c i dont think theres any hierarhcy for the first dt? DL DTCenter DTCentre DD A point equidistant from all points on the surface of a sphere. DD In some field sports, the player who holds the middle position on the field, court, or forward line. /DL thanks a mill kvn ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Target sued over non-accessible site
What methodology are you using to identify humans as opposed to search engines and other robots? -sorry this doesnt awnser your question and maybe this its not worth mentioning- Even hotmail.com doesnt work if javascript is disabled. That says something i think. Of course there is the search engines to consider but unless im mistaken my biggest concern when using javascript is to do it unobtrusively so as not to set off blockers. is this skewed? -kvnmcwebn ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] IE7 Compatibility Team
Have other site owners received any similar contact from the IE7CPTTM yet? no can you share yours? best kvnmcwebn ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] round corner links
Hello lads, lasses and ponies, Im thinking about making a vertical navigation list with rounded corner(all 4) buttons. I would like to uses two images-for the right and left ends- and a 1px repeater background image running behind. Should i just place two end images on either side of the button text and then use css for the background or is there some way of getting all 3 images in the css as background images? best kvnmcwebn ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Standards Savvy Shopping Cart
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RE: [WSG] IE7 hacks
jay wrote, Does it make sense to be considering hacks yet? Well someone here (no names :) told me a while back that the *hmtl hack was ie future proof so maybe not. -best kvnmcwebn ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] list's with header text
hi, for a vertical navigation bar with multiple headings like this: div class=navcontainer h3Buncrana Town/h3 ul lia href=#Business Directory/a/li lia href=#Accomodation Directory/a/li . /ul h3Community/h3 ul lia href=#Groups/a/li lia href=#Clubs/a/li . /ul so on... /div What is the proper heading to use(h1, h2, h3)? -best kvnmcwebn ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] list's with header text
ok thanks, just to clarify a point: what odds that the ul id have a semantically suitable name-beside making sense to people working in the code after me? -thanks again kvnmcewbn ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Background-Image download order
nick Bear this in mind, too - some browsers will call *all* images specified with the background property in your CSS file, whether they're needed for that page or not. errr.. what browsers? I wonder what would happen if the seperate stylesheets were alled called in from one importer stylesheet? would that make any sense? kvnmcwebn ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] list's with header text
patrick wrote As someone already mentioned, the source order should be enough to inform what the heading refers to, without the need for explicit association. sorry i dont understand this could someone please explain? -best kvnmcwebn ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] what cms system
hello all, just a quick question, What one of these cms systems should i use? BTW im not a programmer. Drupal Geeklog Mambo Open Source PHP-Nuke phpWCMS phpWebSite Post-Nuke Siteframe TYPO3 Xoops These are the options I can automatically install with a hosting package. Should i use one of these or try and setup text pattern on my own? -best kvnmcwebn ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] ufo flash adding padding/
hello all, Im using the ufo flash embed method.Something is adding about 30px of padding or height to the top of my swf. If i resize the dimensions in the html it takes from the top and bottom of the movie so that some of the swf is cut off at the bottom. heres the page 209.200.102.116 any suggestion would be apreciated. thanks knvmcwebn ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] ufo flash adding padding/
oops problem solved, my fault.. - hello all, Im using the ufo flash embed method.Something is adding about 30px of padding or height to the top of my swf. If i resize the dimensions in the html it takes from the top and bottom of the movie so that some of the swf is cut off at the bottom. heres the page 209.200.102.116 any suggestion would be apreciated. thanks knvmcwebn ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] ufo flash adding padding/
This might be something to do with the Flash items on the lower right, because they flickered around where the nav items were before positioning themselves properly: thanks, i hadnt noticed that, hopefully when i embed those using the ufo system it will solve the flickering. -best kvnmcwebn ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: Tabluar forms WAS: Re: [WSG] br the correct use.
fieldset legendWhat's your favourite colour?/legend input type=radio name=colour id=colour_black value=black / label for=colour_blackblack/label input type=radio name=colour id=colour_white value=white / label for=colour_whitewhite/label /fieldset I just made a form without tables using something similar to the above. With forms it seems like if you dont use the table you'll have to use a lot of hacks for the browser discrepencies. Id rather use the hacks than the table - is this the best practice? In the link below, the form is in the right column. Big difference between ff and ie, i had to use a load of hacks for ie. I put the css in a head comment so you can see all of them. (i just used underscore right now will change to * later) http://209.200.102.116/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] flash popup blockers
Hello, Does anyone have any experience/advice with the ufo(or even satay) methods for flash embeding and pop-up blocking issues. I mean do they set some of them off like the standard object embed method seems to do now? Specifically the ones that require you to grant permission to load a swf. Maybe OT but i thought i try here first. best -Kvnmcwebn ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] pdf graphics
are the graphics vectors? Opening from Adobe illustrator would keep everything nice and editable. -kvnmcwebn ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] New to web standards and CSS
hello, hey nice page -sorry i only have a question for list members about something i noticed on your page wich im having trouble with also. http://www.btcvnp.tsohost.co.uk/test/index.htm On the left hand nav bar the list link footpaths resizes in ie6 on the first rollover. Its very subtle on your page but i have recently built a page with the same problem but more pronounced. Any idea on what causes this and how to fix it? It only happens once then you need to refresh to see it again. thanks kvnmcwebn ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] missing image in ie
hello,
trying to get my portfolio site presentable. just made some changes to my
stylesheet and lost a 1px repeating background image in ie. renders fine in
ff. notice the missing drop shadow on the right side of the middle box.
www.mcmonagle.biz/gildeas2.htm
here is the div that contains the bg image.
something with the margins and padding in ie...
* html #content{width:750px;
background-image: url(../bodyback.gif);
background-repeat:repeat-y; }
#content
{ background-image: url(../bodyback.gif); background-repeat:repeat-y;
/*\*/
position: absolute;
/* Exclude abs positioning for Mac IE5 */
padding: 25px 25px 0 25px;
width: 706px;
/*\*/
top: 115px;
bottom: 55px;
left: 40%; height: 600px;
margin: 0;
margin-left: -240px;
/* Exclude all previous props for Mac IE5 */
/*\*/ overflow: hidden; /* no neetd for Mac IE5 to see this */
}
got the code from frames w/o frames site and its become a bit messy as ive
been editing it, changing ems to pixels and so on. any help would be
appreciated.
thanks
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RE: [WSG] Claiming compliance when a site doesn't' actually comply
Patrick wrote: Any new developments should really be done in a strict doctype, IMHO. How difficult is it to jump to strict from transitional doctypes? Is it a whole other ballgame or just a matter of dotting your t's and crossing your i's? -best kvnmwebn ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] : Problem with attribute BORDER in movint to strict mode. (the dotting of t's)
hello,
try
li img{border:0px;}
-best
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RE: [WSG] page check
georg wrote: Looks like you have two layers of some of those container- borders, and not all line up well in Firefox Opera. Do you mean the navbarnthe header? do you think it will be ok, as im out of time on this, Slight weakness when font-resizing is applied, which is most visibl where those container-borders get covered by content- background in Firefox. I think now the font size can be increased once without any breaks in the layout. the html validates now www.mcmonagle.biz/mockup/final11.htm www.mcmonagle.biz/mockup/subcategory.htm www.mcmonagle.bix/mockup/index6.css thanks again -kvnmcwebn ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] page check
georg wrote:
Footer can't expand properly in Firefox etc. Looking acceptable otherwise.
I know this is not good but i defined a pixel height for the footer. The
background image of the div behind it was showing through the footer div's
padding. I will try and use a background image for the footer instead of
defining its height.
thanks again.
I see a couple more things that i will fix,
then i have to fire it over to the .net guy, who will probably add
validation errors;{
http://www.mcmonagle.biz/mockup/families/final11.htm
(links are somewhat active)
-best
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[WSG] page check
back to work. I have a page thats nearly done just want to get the tires kicked. www.mcmonagle.biz/mockup/final10.htm www.mcmonagle.biz/mockup/index5.css www.mcmonagle.biz/mockup/nav.css issues 1) the purple border on the bottom right dosnt scale to the footer. 2)background img of the welcome div dosnt scale down to the bottom of its parent div either. solution i was going to use repeating background images to scale down the sides of the parent divs. any better ideas? also I only tested the page in ff1.5 and ie6 if anyone can take a peep in other browsers that would be great. -best kvnmcwebn ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] page check
Georg wrote: Opera 8.5 and 9prev1 have got a broken header. img src=FAMILIESfinal_02.gif ... /img src=familiestag.gif ... / ...are not positioned well. Different in those two versions, so I advice you to line up those graphics without using position: relative. Clear below the search-box/nav, and default line-up or maybe float-left for those graphics, should work well everywhere. Hello georg, i did as you suggested- i had to use the star hack for ie because the margins were acting up. you can check it out here if you want. www.mcmonagle.biz/mockup/final11.htm www.mcmonagle.biz/mockup/index6.css www.mcmonagle.biz/mockup/nav2.css Thanks a mill kvnmcwebn ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Best Web Standards thing I learnt in 2005.
btw George Hey thanks for all your help over the last year. The first time i tried to build a site with ws i got so frustrated I shelved it for 6 months. Now because of this list i am comfortable creating fixed width layouts and can mark up any design i can come up with. whats more I can honestly say that my knowlege of standards, such as it is, is starting to generate SUBSTANTIAL business for me. My ws goal in 2006 is to become comfortable with liquid layouts an maybe even start using ems instead of px. nollaig seona duith kvnmcwebn ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
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[WSG] search box(text area) form width
this might be a bit of dumb question anyideas on how to get this keyword search box any narrower in ie? something like it is in firefox http://www.mcmonagle.biz/mockup/final6.htm http://www.mcmonagle.biz/mockup/index3.css (ie code for search box at bottom of stylesheet) -best kvnmcwebn ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] narrowing the gap between h3 and ul-help
hello all, just tryin to narrow the distance between my h3 element and some unordered lists. easy enough in ff but negative margins dont seem to budge the ul in ie. example html http://www.mcmonagle.biz/mockup/final5.htm css http://www.mcmonagle.biz/mockup/index3.css http://www.mcmonagle.biz/mockup/nav.css -best kvncwebn ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] narrowing the gap between h3 and ul-help
Not looked at your CSS, but...there's really no need to get out negative margins. Have you set the bottom margin (and padding) of the h3 and the top margin (and padding) of the ul (and possibly the li elements therein)? i just set all of the above to 0 and it worked. thanks patrick ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] to many links, was narrowing the gap
The change below worked for me.
.mainleft ul {
margin-top: 0px;
thanks paul that simplifies it,
also
i always get stuck with these crazy navition schemes.
The client signed of on this layout with different content then came back
with loads more
subcategory links then he had originally. Its almost overwhelming, i think
that another level of navigation might be called for, that is- categories to
sub categories with a location filter as well. I dont want to use drop
downs.
Anyone have anythoughts on this?
example html
http://www.mcmonagle.biz/mockup/final6.htm
css
http://www.mcmonagle.biz/mockup/index3.css
http://www.mcmonagle.biz/mockup/nav.css
-best
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RE: [WSG] narrowing the gap between h3 and ul-help
Negative margins will always come back to haunt you later :D I suppose I was cutting corners using them...its just that sometimes they seem to save a lot of hassle-probably because i dont have a deep enough understanding of document flow and such. thanks kvnmcwebn ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] to many links, was narrowing the gap
paul and samuel, thanks for the sound advice, i will put it to good use. I just realized that basically the home page is a site map right now! -best kvnmcwebn ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] webpatterns and patternquiz
When we build sites, unconsciously we use patterns all the time - it's just very little work has been done trying to capture and document them. dosnt ted drakes standardista rollyo search thingy sorta do this? -Kevin MacMahongail (pronounced macmonagle-sort of:) ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Site Check please
pretty cool jay, what about the top links bottom border disapearing on the hover though? -kvnmcwebn ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Site Check please
kvnmcwebn,Are you talking about my site: http://www.smashingred.com or Joe's site: http://www.sitesbyjoe.com ? sorryimeant joe not jay,
RE: [WSG] New logo scheme was talking points for standards
Personally, I don't think the logos Do It - they are too techie and Joe Average doesn't see what they mean. i like the approach of this site that uses text links(footer) in the overal style of the site http://www.monc.se/work/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] talking points for standards
The processes of building a site with standards cool. Best practices that cover every stage from planning to customer sign off that can be found on this lists posts and moderators/members sites. For me it makes job turnaround smoother and quicker. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] liquid widths
Im only starting to play around with liquid layouts. I like this 3 column example that uses min widths. For non-mozilla browsers it uses horizontal rules to set the min scaling of the boxes. It then hides these from browser that support min width, it seems a bit reduntant to me but. http://www.saila.com/usage/layouts/saila_layout.html Anyway i started modifying the layout to have a fixed width left column. So far it looks allright in ff but im not sure about it because i set the widths visually and they dont really add up to 100%. Is this ok? http://www.mcmonagle.biz/finaloti/index3.html http://www.mcmonagle.biz/finaloti/finalstyle.css ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: Fw: [WSG] Call for Site Check
hello, What do you all think about adding yellow as the primary link color? -dont know but I think the new yellow is still to saturated for the secondary links, they are the focal point now. But the addition of a new color does help make the navigation more intuitive. What about the color thats in the search box or something like it for the secondary links? The photo thumb of the river (after you click the clouds) complements the blue really well. Trying samplesof that with an eyedropper might get you a good color aswell. Well thats what i would try anyway -best kvnmcwebn ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Input Desired
hello, nice work, but instead of scaling the entire masthead image why not just have the images float over to the right? and then the brown background under the the text image would getwider? -best kvnmcwebn
RE: [WSG] Call for Site Check
cool site, just a minor observation, the strong orange color is used alot, on main links, heads so on. Maybe throw another color into the mix to differentiate between hyperlinks and heads. maybe FFCC00, -best kvnmcwebn ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Radio New Zealand site relaunch
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RE: [WSG] OT - Understanding the Website Flow
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RE: [WSG] jump menu method
Just a thought, but if all the links are counties within a greater whole, why not use a happy map image map interface? Thats a-okay standards-wise, and degrades nicely into a list of links, and looks cute for visitors. Joe there is a mapping system done w/ flash, i have to tie that in as well. You can see it on the current site at www.onetouchireland.com Terrence Wood wrote: Lachlan Hardy said: build the menu out of an unordered list then use Javascript to transform that into a dropdown list for those with JS. Consider it a 'white lie of web design' or call it 'progressive enhancement'. nice solution. kind regards Terrence Wood. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] jump menu method
Nice script. What sort of attribution would you like if I borrow it? It is brilliant Lachlan i'd like to use it to if you don't mind. -best -kvnmcwebn ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] jump menu method
Thanks for the replies -this is going to be tuff- Patrick--- the menu functionality relies completely on javascript. Unless you do provide some other form of navigation that links to those pages, you're effectively hiding your pages from search engines. The .net programmer could make the form controls server side but would putting a token list of the links in the footer solve the seo problems at all? ---Terrence--- Theres no way of breaking down the navigation into smaller chunks without creating a mystery meat situation. The brothercake dhtml menus seem like an option/last resort- but can a dhtml or css drop down menu force the page to scroll while a user follows a long list of links with the mouse? Here was the simple method that i suggested.. but the client has strong opinions against scrolling. http://mcmonagle.biz/dropdowns/ Here was another suggestion that i thought might work but they are not impressed. (view in ie) http://mcmonagle.biz/newoti/otinavtest.htm what about these simpler methods? thanks again kvnmcwebn ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] jump menu method
thanks charlie-thats interesting...so it looks like link rel=" subsection" type="text/css" href="" / link rel=" subsection" type="text/css" href="" / link rel=" subsection" type="text/css" href="" / link rel=" subsection" type="text/css" href="" / and so on might help. I dont think i can talk the client out of a drop down. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Charlie BartlettSent: 20 November 2005 19:34To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.orgSubject: Re: [WSG] jump menu methodIf you have to do it this way, and like everyone else I don't recommend it, then you could help the SEO by adding the pages in link tags to the head.see http://www.w3schools.com/tags/tag_link.asp for more info.CheersCharlieweb : http://www.bartlettdesign.co.ukmail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 11/20/05, kvnmcwebn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the replies-this is going to be tuff-Patrick---the menu functionality relies completely on _javascript_.Unless you do provide some other form of navigation that links to those pages, you're effectively hidingyour pages from search engines.The .net programmer could make the form controls server sidebut would putting a token list of the links in the footersolve the seo problems at all? ---Terrence---Theres no way of breaking down the navigation into smallerchunks without creating a mystery meat situation.The brothercake dhtml menus seem like an option/last resort-but can a dhtml or css drop down menu force the page to scroll whilea user follows a long list of links with the mouse?Here was the simple method that i suggested..but the client has strong opinions against scrolling.http://mcmonagle.biz/dropdowns/ Here was another suggestion that i thought might workbut they are not impressed. (view in ie)http://mcmonagle.biz/newoti/otinavtest.htmwhat about these simpler methods?thanks againkvnmcwebn**The discussion list forhttp://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmfor some hints on posting to the list getting help**
RE: [WSG] jump menu method
Thanks for clarifiying Terrence-i should have made my example more accurate. The url shceme is query based, i saw a thread about that recently i will look it up. So-should i use the link attribute as Charlie said in addition to the redundant links? Or does the query based url throw a wrench in the link attribute? ..it could be hotels/county gives a better result in navigation terms This makes sense but this particular site has a lot of categories and sub categories, almost as many as counties... thanks a million -kvnmcwebn -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Terrence Wood Sent: 20 November 2005 20:05 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] jump menu method kvnmcwebn said: Theres no way of breaking down the navigation into smaller chunks without creating a mystery meat situation. Here was the simple method that i suggested.. http://mcmonagle.biz/dropdowns/ That is quite different from the original sample supplied and it *does* look the ideal candidate for a dropdown. In my previous reply to you I meant to say don't use a drop down as your *main* navigation device, but if it meant to winnow/filter a result set (e.g. by geographical location, as suggested by the above sample) then that does make sense and is typical use of a select dropdown. Redundant links will solve your SEO problems, if you want the spiders to index every page, but I suspect you have an IA problem. e.g. instead of county/hotels, it could be hotels/county gives a better result in navigation terms. One more gotcha to think about, if your url scheme is query based (e.g. index.asp?county=corkthing=hotel) then the site may have problems being indexed. kind regards Terrence Wood. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] jump menu method
will do- thanks again terrence ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] horizontal scroll on menu
Hello, A client has requested that a long menu be contained in a fixed hieght situation with a vertical scroll bar. Im doing a test with code from the list o matic site. Heres an example. http://www.mcmonagle.biz/otinavtest.htm the problem is that its hard to loose the horizontal scroll bar and get right to the edge of the list blocks. Especially in fire fox. I would prefer to keep the styled borders so i need a fix. my question: Is there anyway to fool browsers into thinking that the list container and/or list blocks are narrower than they are? -best kevin ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] horizontal scroll on menu
brillant thanks,
Adding overflow: hidden; to .navcontainer ul does exactly what
i need it to in firefox-i.e didnt respond to it.
http://www.mcmonagle.biz/otinavtest.htm
Ted:
Adding the overflow: y-scroll property takes care of ff and ie.
-thanks
Joseph:
I tried wrapping the lot in the below div but it dosnt have any effect and
the other elements are just li so i might be missing
something.
#fakewrap{
width:0px;
padding: 0px;
margin: 0px;
}
thanks a mill
-best kevin
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RE: [WSG] Divs over Flash in Safari
hello, im not sure if this will help and im not sure if it would validate but read this http://www.flashkit.com/board/showthread.php?p=3284355#post3284355 -best -kvnmcwebn ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Page Check: www.qm-consulting.co.uk/test/indextest
sites need to be aesthetically pleasing as well as accessible and CSS and DOM scripting gives us more than enough power to do both. agreed, It would be hard to get customer sign off on such adesign, even soits quick loading and accessible. Perhaps you could sit down with a graphic designer to work more visual elements into your site and improve the overall look and feel? good idea: another option is to look for pre-designedtemplates(cringe)-free or otherwise. -kvnmcwebn
[WSG] firefox ignoring my stylesheet
hello, any ideas why firefox is ignoring my external stylesheet. It was working fine, i did something stupid. -Kevin ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] firefox ignoring my stylesheet
sorry i fired that off without the url. here is the page that is hiding the external stylesheet from firefox somehow. http://www.mcmonagle.biz/index5.htm
RE: [WSG] firefox ignoring my stylesheet
wow - it was the missing }
Georg just let me make sure i understand the i.e. future safe way.
Does it go like this?
mozilla type browser
#logo{margin: 0px auto 0 9px; }
i.e.(versions 5 and up is it?)
* html #logo{margin: 777px auto 0 555px;}
thanks for your patience
kvnmcwebn
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RE: [WSG] standards, accessability and validation?
thanks for all the brillant feedback! I will try putting a page or two through a screen reader for them. Also I will show them how much easier it is to do a redesign with a standards based website as they do this quite a bit. On top of that a lot of thier contracts specify accesibility as a requirement so it is possible that a client could take legal action at some stage. -best kvnmcwebn ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] standards, accessability and validation?
It does take more time and effort for the programmer. Even after the learning process is completed? big help-thanks kvnmcwebn ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] standards, accessability and validation?
hello all, Ive started designing sites for this company that specilizes in .net databases driven/xml feed type sites. I just give them a graphics file and they slice it up. Anyway they asked me yesterday if i could do this particular job with web accessability in mind. But heres the thing-when they mark up my designs and ad the vb .net code a typical page will be running validation errors in the hundreds. I told them that they need to start with web standards and get thier pages to validate before they start on accessability. Was that sound advice? -best kvnmcwebn ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] standards, accessability and validation?
Thanks seona and josh, .although when they say accessibility they are probably thinking of screen readers and users who can't use a mouse, accessibility also includes being able to access the information and basic functionality of a site in numerous browsing devices. yes thats the case Besides, since I'm assuming you'll be developing with standards in mind, it may as well be going into something that's standard. :) -thats a key point, i design with standards in mind but they've been slicing my ai files into a tables and calling it a day. I am meeting with them this week to talk about this. I will try and talk the programmers into transitioning to standards but i dont know if i will be able to sell them on it. I was going to try the angle that web standards are helpful/essential for accessability-which they get alot of requests for these days. The programmers dont want me to do any coding or as little as possible-so as not to step on thier toes. thanks ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] div auto scaling question
hello all,
Im probably doing something stupid,
How can i get div class=text to auto scale to full space between div
class=image and the edge of wrapper1. This is to accomodate different
image widths. The hang up is I also need a max paragraph width of 200px.
Right now the when i set the paragraph width the div just scales to that
width. Basically i want the div class =text to scale fit the surrounding
horizontal space not the content inside.
xHTML like this
div id=wrapper1
div class=image/div
div class=textp some body copy here/p/div
/div
And CSS like this
#wrapper1{
width:760px;
margin: 12px 20px 0 0;}
div.image{
margin:5px 0 0 1px;
float:left; padding:5px;
background-color: #DD;
border: 2px solid #D1CBAE;
}
div.text{
margin:5px 23px 0 0px;
padding:9px 5px 5px 9px;
float:right; border: 2px solid #D1CBAE;
background-color:#DD;}
p{width:200px;} also i tried max width
if you need a visual here it is
http://www.mcmonagle.biz/newindex5.htm
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RE: [WSG] Feedback www.mcguireomaha.com
looks nice, on my dialup connection it loads a bit slow, not to to bad. Maybe the masthead jpeg could be compressed a bit more. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] 3 column vetical layout.
hello all, let me discribe the effect that im trying to achieve with css using a table as a metaphor. table width='760' height=100% tr height=120px td../td/tr tr height=auto td../td/tr tr heigth=120pxtd../td/tr /table Im trying this with 4 divs-a header, body and footer and a wrapper. My layout is further complicated by a shadow that surronds all sides of the 3 content divs. here is my feeble attemp. It works better in ie that ff right now. http://www.mcmonagle.biz/final5.htm I took the method for the corners/shadow from TJKDesign but it needs work thanks thanks for any suggestions. -best kvnmcwebn ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] 3 column vetical layout.
I guess i put the page together hastily just trying to figure out the height challenge. -didnt validate it. Thanks for your help especially with the ampersand delimeter thing - that was showing up on previous versions when i ran it through the validator. I've nearly given up on solving the 100% height problem on my own. I tried converting 3 column stretched width layouts to vertical a vertical format buy no joy. Right now I'm trying another fixed height version but its a big comprimize in the look im going for. Hope to get some good advice here. -kvnmcwebn ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] 3 column vetical layout.
thanks georg that brilliant. i slightly modified some source from the frames with no frames site because it used more block elements than yours. you can check out the basic template that i created if you like http://www.mcmonagle.biz/final9.htm I should have asked sooner. -best kvnmcwebn ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] 3 row(div) liquid vertical layout w/drop shadows-help-
hello all, ive dug myself into a hole trying to create a3 div-semiliquidlayout with expandable drop shadows.- The drop shadow method im using isnt perfect for this application but I cant find a better one as i want an eqaul shadow on all 4 sides of the div. I cant remember where i got this shadow tut from although i tried searching with the standardista plug-in which btw is veryhandy. Alsothe middle(body) div needs toto resize to 100% of the width between the header and footer divs which is causing problems with the shadows. In this example the shadows work but the middle div dosn't resize. http://www.mcmonagle.biz/test.htm In this example the middle div resizes but the shadows break. http://www.mcmonagle.biz/test.htm Does anyone have suggestions to simplify this? thanks in advance -best kvnmcwebn
RE: [WSG] 3 row(div) liquid vertical layout w/drop shadows-help-
sorry thats http://mcmonagle.biz/test.htm http://mcmonagle.biz/test2.htm
RE: [WSG] 3 row(div) liquid vertical layout w/drop shadows-help-
sorry all, i've foundthetutorial that might help me with this problem so i will try and figure it out on my own. thanks
RE: [WSG] Page templates submitted for review (discard previous mail)
-nice grids andvery quick download time. I had one questioin about the use of thetables. Could you explain how this helps? We use a table to render the main content. However, the real content will be displayed first because it spans over 2 lines 2 rows of the table). -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Pat BoensSent: 28 September 2005 18:04To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.orgSubject: [WSG] Page templates submitted for review (discard previous mail) Dears, In an attempt to bring a little contribution to the world of web standards we have developed a dozen templates that we would like to submit for your review. These templates are all shared under the terms of the "Attribution" license of "Creative Commons". We would like to obtain your comments in the following areas: 1) XHTML 1.1: quality of code (+ possible improvements) 2) CSS: quality of code (+ possible improvements) 3) WCAG: we tend to create Triple-A templates, how good are we doing? are our templates/pages really accessible? 4) Elegance of design: how good are we doing? Here are the templates: http://www.fastwrite.com/dvlonly/web/paradeigma/Liquid/Samples/tennis.html http://www.fastwrite.com/dvlonly/web/paradeigma/corporate/corporate2.html http://www.fastwrite.com/dvlonly/web/paradeigma/motoconcho/motoconcho.html http://www.fastwrite.com/dvlonly/web/paradeigma/Liquid/Liquid2.html http://www.fastwrite.com/dvlonly/web/paradeigma/Quietude/Quietude.html http://www.fastwrite.com/dvlonly/web/paradeigma/senator/senator.html http://www.fastwrite.com/dvlonly/web/paradeigma/spagyrum/spagyrum.html http://www.fastwrite.com/dvlonly/web/paradeigma/Typografia/Typografia.html http://www.fastwrite.com/dvlonly/web/paradeigma/Veritas/Veritas.html http://www.fastwrite.com/dvlonly/web/paradeigma/NewYork/NewYork.html http://www.fastwrite.com/dvlonly/web/paradeigma/Furio/Furio.html Thank you for your input. Pat Boens
RE: [WSG] Using CSS for Flash backgrounds
Andrew I'd much rather use a limited palette PNG via CSS than cross my fingers and hope that Flash's JPEG algorithm doesn't destroy my image Agreed the jpg comppressor in flash is brutal on lower and med quality but why not use the png in flash? Obviously this wouldnt work if the background image had to come in on cue-or was faded or masked on the timeline, that being said im all for the background swf. Not sure if id go the extra mile to have a background behind the background swf though. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Using CSS for Flash backgrounds
'And I agree Sam, having movement like that behind text is one of the worst things you can do.' I think that was meant as an example. If this trick is used in a more ambiant way it could be really useful. Maybe just have some image substitution for opera until a solution is found. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] computer arts mag article/review
Hello list, I picked up last months edition of computer arts, theres an article about creating liquid css layouts. dissapointing really, didnt got into detail. Also there was a review of Dreamweaver 8. CSS tools beefed up with a new css previewer. Looks good anybody used it yet? -kvnmcwebn ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] computer arts mag article/review
Dreamweaver is not for design. It's for the step afterwards when you take the work from the designer and make a website out of it. I hope our designer will always use Photoshop, not Notepad. But of course that's a personal preference. Do most wsg members - who do both the design and mark up - actually go to code when the design is done without looking back? I try but alway end up going back and forth to make improvments. It eats time. This is probably the biggest benefit of the whole web standards process for me, i mean the time it saves when i decide to change something after im 30 pages into a site. I guess part of my question is when do you know the design is there from a wsg point of view? Is it when you know the client will go wow that looks nice? maybe this is o.t. and too subjective a topic - up late -kvnmcwebn ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] a: class border width problem
Hello list members,
Im doing something ignorant with the below code but i dont know what.
I want to add a round corner to the far left button of my navbar.
Im using the class .corner to insert a bg image in the button.
It works apart from the stuborn bottom border that wont go away.
Any explanations for this?
/*css*/
#drNav a {
margin: 0px;
float:left;
display:block;
_display:inline-block;
padding: 4px 12px;
color: #ff;
text-decoration: none;
width: auto; border-bottom: 4px solid #99;
_height:1%;
}
.corner {
background: url(../botcorn.gif)
bottom left no-repeat; border-bottom: 0px;
}
/*html*/
ul id=drNav
li class=cornera href=webhome.htm Web amp br/
Screen/a/li
-best
kvnmcwebn
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