Re: [WSG] SIte Maps?
On 22/11/07 (00:32) Lea said: But some people prefer to have a quick squiz at the sitemap to see the totality of what the site contains. People are all different. Your navigation can be fine, and their mindset just wants to look at things differently. I agree. I am a user who quite likes site maps, especially on larger (eg. enterprise-scale) sites where it might need a few clicks to get to the location I want. This holds true even if the navigation is perfectly okay; I like having the option of seeing an overview. If I'm in a large shopping mall the sign posts pointing me to different locations (toilets, food hall, car park, etc -- not necessarily in that order!) might work very well, but it is still useful, to me at least, to find one of those big floorplan maps with a You Are Here arrow that gives me the wider picture. -- Rick Lecoat *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] SIte Maps?
On Nov 20, 2007 7:04 PM, Jermayn Parker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In coming in late to the discussion: Do we really need a sitemap? I recently read an article were it talked that if all the seo was done properly and it was smallish, you probably do not need a sitemap. I remember that article too. It was saying that a sitemap is meant to expose pages of your site that are difficult to reach for a search spider that starts at the homepage. If you have a working link structure and anyone can reach any page of your site by just following all the links, everything is already exposed and you don't need a sitemap. -- -- Christian Montoya christianmontoya.net *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] SIte Maps?
But even for a relatively small site having a sitemap will help some users find what they want quickly. Those people are the same ones who will scan the index of a book before flicking through the pages. I've done that on this site: http://www.2plan.com/ despite it only being 15 pages or so. Does anyone think that is overkill? Chris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christian Montoya Sent: 21 November 2007 14:26 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] SIte Maps? On Nov 20, 2007 7:04 PM, Jermayn Parker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In coming in late to the discussion: Do we really need a sitemap? I recently read an article were it talked that if all the seo was done properly and it was smallish, you probably do not need a sitemap. I remember that article too. It was saying that a sitemap is meant to expose pages of your site that are difficult to reach for a search spider that starts at the homepage. If you have a working link structure and anyone can reach any page of your site by just following all the links, everything is already exposed and you don't need a sitemap. -- -- Christian Montoya christianmontoya.net *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** This message has been scanned for malware by SurfControl plc. www.surfcontrol.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] SIte Maps?
Chris Taylor wrote: But even for a relatively small site having a sitemap will help some users find what they want quickly. Those people are the same ones who will scan the index of a book before flicking through the pages. I've done that on this site: http://www.2plan.com/ despite it only being 15 pages or so. Does anyone think that is overkill? Doesn't look like an overkill to me. The sitemap is a useful addition for shortening the search - even on a small site like that. I would however kill all same page links, and just keep them listed as you are here references - without anchors. Same in the regular navigation. regards Georg -- http://www.gunlaug.no *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] SIte Maps?
Not at all. You know that the site only has 15 pages but your visitors don't. The sitemap gives the visitor an immediate indication of the size of the site, so why deny them that? It can be a big help in determining their strategy for browsing the site. Steve -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Taylor Sent: 21 November 2007 14:44 To: 'wsg@webstandardsgroup.org' Subject: RE: [WSG] SIte Maps? But even for a relatively small site having a sitemap will help some users find what they want quickly. Those people are the same ones who will scan the index of a book before flicking through the pages. I've done that on this site: http://www.2plan.com/ despite it only being 15 pages or so. Does anyone think that is overkill? Chris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christian Montoya Sent: 21 November 2007 14:26 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] SIte Maps? On Nov 20, 2007 7:04 PM, Jermayn Parker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In coming in late to the discussion: Do we really need a sitemap? I recently read an article were it talked that if all the seo was done properly and it was smallish, you probably do not need a sitemap. I remember that article too. It was saying that a sitemap is meant to expose pages of your site that are difficult to reach for a search spider that starts at the homepage. If you have a working link structure and anyone can reach any page of your site by just following all the links, everything is already exposed and you don't need a sitemap. -- -- Christian Montoya christianmontoya.net *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** This message has been scanned for malware by SurfControl plc. www.surfcontrol.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] SIte Maps?
On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 14:44:15 +, Chris Taylor wrote: But even for a relatively small site having a sitemap will help some users find what they want quickly. Those people are the same ones who will scan the index of a book before flicking through the pages. Yes, its got to be total 'brochure ware' before I leave off the sitemap. Its not just for the search engines - some people choose to navigate via the sitemap. If there isn't a reason *not* to have a sitemap (and I can't think of one - way too small a budget to do anything extra at all?) then I would include one. It may be the case that 'this site doesn't need a sitemap' but I can't think of reasoning 'this site will be damaged by a sitemap' warmly, Lea -- Lea de Groot Elysian Systems Brisbane, Australia *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] SIte Maps?
I thought the site map was clear and it was easy to discern if what you want os on the site - saves time and effort. Good job Julie Hale Senior Consultant SMS Managment and Technology From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 1:44 AM To: 'wsg@webstandardsgroup.org' Subject: RE: [WSG] SIte Maps? But even for a relatively small site having a sitemap will help some users find what they want quickly. Those people are the same ones who will scan the index of a book before flicking through the pages. I've done that on this site: http://www.2plan.com/ despite it only being 15 pages or so. Does anyone think that is overkill? Chris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christian Montoya Sent: 21 November 2007 14:26 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] SIte Maps? On Nov 20, 2007 7:04 PM, Jermayn Parker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In coming in late to the discussion: Do we really need a sitemap? I recently read an article were it talked that if all the seo was done properly and it was smallish, you probably do not need a sitemap. I remember that article too. It was saying that a sitemap is meant to expose pages of your site that are difficult to reach for a search spider that starts at the homepage. If you have a working link structure and anyone can reach any page of your site by just following all the links, everything is already exposed and you don't need a sitemap. -- -- Christian Montoya christianmontoya.net *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** This message has been scanned for malware by SurfControl plc. www.surfcontrol.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you received this message in error or are not the intended recipient, you should destroy the e-mail message and any attachments or copies, and you are prohibited from retaining, distributing, disclosing or using any information contained herein. Please note that any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the Company. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The Company accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. Thank you for your cooperation. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] SIte Maps?
The way I personally do sitemaps (if i decide to do them) is use the google sitemaps tool and keep it as a xml document and just make sure that your navigation is easy enough so people can access the content without getting lost. IMO if you create a sitemap so people can get to a location, the navigation obviously needs working on. Sitemap is just a bandaide to the bigger problem. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 22/11/2007 8:55:12 am I thought the site map was clear and it was easy to discern if what you want os on the site - saves time and effort. Good job Julie Hale Senior Consultant SMS Managment and Technology From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 1:44 AM To: 'wsg@webstandardsgroup.org' Subject: RE: [WSG] SIte Maps? But even for a relatively small site having a sitemap will help some users find what they want quickly. Those people are the same ones who will scan the index of a book before flicking through the pages. I've done that on this site: http://www.2plan.com/ despite it only being 15 pages or so. Does anyone think that is overkill? Chris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christian Montoya Sent: 21 November 2007 14:26 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] SIte Maps? On Nov 20, 2007 7:04 PM, Jermayn Parker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In coming in late to the discussion: Do we really need a sitemap? I recently read an article were it talked that if all the seo was done properly and it was smallish, you probably do not need a sitemap. I remember that article too. It was saying that a sitemap is meant to expose pages of your site that are difficult to reach for a search spider that starts at the homepage. If you have a working link structure and anyone can reach any page of your site by just following all the links, everything is already exposed and you don't need a sitemap. -- -- Christian Montoya christianmontoya.net *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** This message has been scanned for malware by SurfControl plc. www.surfcontrol.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you received this message in error or are not the intended recipient, you should destroy the e-mail message and any attachments or copies, and you are prohibited from retaining, distributing, disclosing or using any information contained herein. Please note that any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the Company. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The Company accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. Thank you for your cooperation. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** ** The above message has been scanned and meets the Insurance Commission of Western Australia's Email security requirements for inbound transmission. ** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] SIte Maps?
Jermayn, That one person may find the sitemap useful does not mean that the site navigation is broken - all that we do know for sure is that one person likes to use the sitemap. If everyone uses the sitemap, then the navigation could well use some work. Similarly - if some internal users find a browse facet based on the organisational structure helpful, it doesn't mean that it should be removed. Org structure shouldn't be the only browse facet, sure, but it can be one of them. Best regards, Andrew Andrew Boyd Consultant SMS Management Technology M 0413 048 542 T +61 2 6279 7100 F +61 2 6279 7101 [EMAIL PROTECTED] About SMS: Ground Floor, 8 Brindabella Circuit, CANBERRA AIRPORT ACT 2609 www.smsmt.com SMS Management Technology (SMS) [ASX:SMX] is Australia's largest, publicly listed Management Services company. We solve complex problems and transform business through Consulting, People and Technology P Please consider the environment before printing this email -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jermayn Parker Sent: Thursday, 22 November 2007 11:07 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] SIte Maps? The way I personally do sitemaps (if i decide to do them) is use the google sitemaps tool and keep it as a xml document and just make sure that your navigation is easy enough so people can access the content without getting lost. IMO if you create a sitemap so people can get to a location, the navigation obviously needs working on. Sitemap is just a bandaide to the bigger problem. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 22/11/2007 8:55:12 am I thought the site map was clear and it was easy to discern if what you want os on the site - saves time and effort. Good job Julie Hale Senior Consultant SMS Managment and Technology From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 1:44 AM To: 'wsg@webstandardsgroup.org' Subject: RE: [WSG] SIte Maps? But even for a relatively small site having a sitemap will help some users find what they want quickly. Those people are the same ones who will scan the index of a book before flicking through the pages. I've done that on this site: http://www.2plan.com/ despite it only being 15 pages or so. Does anyone think that is overkill? Chris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christian Montoya Sent: 21 November 2007 14:26 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] SIte Maps? On Nov 20, 2007 7:04 PM, Jermayn Parker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In coming in late to the discussion: Do we really need a sitemap? I recently read an article were it talked that if all the seo was done properly and it was smallish, you probably do not need a sitemap. I remember that article too. It was saying that a sitemap is meant to expose pages of your site that are difficult to reach for a search spider that starts at the homepage. If you have a working link structure and anyone can reach any page of your site by just following all the links, everything is already exposed and you don't need a sitemap. -- -- Christian Montoya christianmontoya.net *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** This message has been scanned for malware by SurfControl plc. www.surfcontrol.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you received this message in error or are not the intended recipient, you should destroy the e-mail message and any attachments or copies, and you are prohibited from retaining, distributing, disclosing or using any information contained herein. Please note that any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the Company. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The Company accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. Thank you for your cooperation. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED
RE: [WSG] SIte Maps?
On Thu, 22 Nov 2007 09:07:16 +0900, Jermayn Parker wrote: The way I personally do sitemaps (if i decide to do them) is use the google sitemaps tool and keep it as a xml document and just make sure that your navigation is easy enough so people can access the content without getting lost. XML sitemaps and HTML sitemaps are completely different beasties - its unfortunate that they share a name, but we are not discussing the use of XML sitemaps in this thread. IMO if you create a sitemap so people can get to a location, the navigation obviously needs working on. Sitemap is just a bandaide to the bigger problem. But some people prefer to have a quick squiz at the sitemap to see the totality of what the site contains. People are all different. Your navigation can be fine, and their mindset just wants to look at things differently. Of course, if the logs showed a lot of navigation to the sitemap, I'd be examinging the navigation to see if it was adequate, but that doesn't change the observation that a minority of people want to see your sitemap to navigate through your site. warmly, Lea -- Lea de Groot Elysian Systems Brisbane, Australia *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] SIte Maps?
Andrew wrote: Jermayn, That one person may find the sitemap useful does not mean that the site navigation is broken - all that we do know for sure is that one person likes to use the sitemap. If everyone uses the sitemap, then the navigation could well use some work. Similarly - if some internal users find a browse facet based on the organisational structure helpful, it doesn't mean that it should be removed. Org structure shouldn't be the only browse facet, sure, but it can be one of them. There aren't any rules. It's a matter of how far you want to go. Some people may even choose to have a full site index of words and phrases. The important thing, I believe, is that if you start off with a site map you should keep it up to date. Many CMS do this, but it's a harder task when the site map is hand coded. Kerry --- This email, and any attachments, may be confidential and also privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender and delete all copies of this transmission along with any attachments immediately. You should not copy or use it for any purpose, nor disclose its contents to any other person. --- *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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Just to say: Thanks for the responses. All interesting. Bob www.gwelanmor-internet.co.uk *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] SIte Maps?
In coming in late to the discussion: Do we really need a sitemap? I recently read an article were it talked that if all the seo was done properly and it was smallish, you probably do not need a sitemap. On Nov 21, 2007 3:28 AM, Designer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just to say: Thanks for the responses. All interesting. Bob www.gwelanmor-internet.co.uk *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] SIte Maps?
For the sake of clarity; can you please confirm whether you are referring to machine-readable site-maps for the benefit of Google etc.; or to human-readable site-maps for the benefit of your human visitors? Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Designer Sent: Sun 18/11/2007 10:12 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] SIte Maps? I have never done a site map/index. I have Googled, but the results seem complicated, at least for a newcomer to site maps. I want to provide a way for visitor to a site to get where they want easily. Of course, the basic structure of the site is key, but when, e.g., there is a link to an obscure (but relevant) aspect of the content, it would be nice if he/she could find it. Any links or pointers to creating such an index/map would be most welcome. Needless to say, standards and accessibility are important . . . Thanks, Bob www.gwelanmor-internet.co.uk *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** winmail.dat
RE: [WSG] SIte Maps?
Hey Bob, Try http://www.xml-sitemaps.com/ They will create * Create an XML sitemap format that can be submitted to Google to help them crawl your website better. * Create a Text sitemap to submit to Yahoo. * Create a ROR sitemap, which is an independant XML format for any search engine. * Generate an HTML site map to allow human visitors to easily navigate on your website. And ofcourse you could just style the later HTML sitemap to suite your site's look and feel. Hope that helped. M.J. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 19 November 2007 11:21 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] SIte Maps? For the sake of clarity; can you please confirm whether you are referring to machine-readable site-maps for the benefit of Google etc.; or to human-readable site-maps for the benefit of your human visitors? Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Designer Sent: Sun 18/11/2007 10:12 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] SIte Maps? I have never done a site map/index. I have Googled, but the results seem complicated, at least for a newcomer to site maps. I want to provide a way for visitor to a site to get where they want easily. Of course, the basic structure of the site is key, but when, e.g., there is a link to an obscure (but relevant) aspect of the content, it would be nice if he/she could find it. Any links or pointers to creating such an index/map would be most welcome. Needless to say, standards and accessibility are important . . . Thanks, Bob www.gwelanmor-internet.co.uk *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For the sake of clarity; can you please confirm whether you are referring to machine-readable site-maps for the benefit of Google etc.; or to human-readable site-maps for the benefit of your human visitors? Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Designer Sent: Sun 18/11/2007 10:12 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] SIte Maps? I have never done a site map/index. I have Googled, but the results seem complicated, at least for a newcomer to site maps. I want to provide a way for visitor to a site to get where they want easily. Of course, the basic structure of the site is key, but when, e.g., there is a link to an obscure (but relevant) aspect of the content, it would be nice if he/she could find it. Any links or pointers to creating such an index/map would be most welcome. Needless to say, standards and accessibility are important . . . Thanks, Bob www.gwelanmor-internet.co.uk Hi MIke, I mean the latter. I just wondered how anyone on the list has dealt with this. I was presuming that the simplest method would be to manually produce a list of links on a 'site map' page. I do not really want a graphical presentation of the site, such as the kind of thing generated by dreamweaver. Thanks, Bob *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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There is a small desktop app called Xenu Link Sleuth, a google search should find it. This checks all links on your site and gives you a range of reports on which ones are not working etc. It goes indepth and even provides links of items such as images etc. It can also give you a list of all the pages on your site, which is very handy. Its a free utility which should be in every webmasters toolkit :) I looked it up for you it can be found here http://home.snafu.de/tilman/xenulink.html Has some good info on the page too, about other products you can use and links to them. Paul Designer wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For the sake of clarity; can you please confirm whether you are referring to machine-readable site-maps for the benefit of Google etc.; or to human-readable site-maps for the benefit of your human visitors? Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Designer Sent: Sun 18/11/2007 10:12 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] SIte Maps? I have never done a site map/index. I have Googled, but the results seem complicated, at least for a newcomer to site maps. I want to provide a way for visitor to a site to get where they want easily. Of course, the basic structure of the site is key, but when, e.g., there is a link to an obscure (but relevant) aspect of the content, it would be nice if he/she could find it. Any links or pointers to creating such an index/map would be most welcome. Needless to say, standards and accessibility are important . . . Thanks, Bob www.gwelanmor-internet.co.uk Hi MIke, I mean the latter. I just wondered how anyone on the list has dealt with this. I was presuming that the simplest method would be to manually produce a list of links on a 'site map' page. I do not really want a graphical presentation of the site, such as the kind of thing generated by dreamweaver. Thanks, Bob *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] SIte Maps?
Bob, I usually just make my sitemap UL and LI driven as seen here: http://www.stmarysgvl.org/sitemap/ or here: http://www.woodcreekdental.com/sitemap/ Both of those sites are database driven and I've written a PHP script to automatically produce the UL LI structure; if your site is not database driven you can always do the list by hand. - Nate On Nov 19, 2007 8:07 AM, Sanke Solutions [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is a small desktop app called Xenu Link Sleuth, a google search should find it. This checks all links on your site and gives you a range of reports on which ones are not working etc. It goes indepth and even provides links of items such as images etc. It can also give you a list of all the pages on your site, which is very handy. Its a free utility which should be in every webmasters toolkit :) I looked it up for you it can be found here http://home.snafu.de/tilman/xenulink.html Has some good info on the page too, about other products you can use and links to them. Paul Designer wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For the sake of clarity; can you please confirm whether you are referring to machine-readable site-maps for the benefit of Google etc.; or to human-readable site-maps for the benefit of your human visitors? Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Designer Sent: Sun 18/11/2007 10:12 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] SIte Maps? I have never done a site map/index. I have Googled, but the results seem complicated, at least for a newcomer to site maps. I want to provide a way for visitor to a site to get where they want easily. Of course, the basic structure of the site is key, but when, e.g., there is a link to an obscure (but relevant) aspect of the content, it would be nice if he/she could find it. Any links or pointers to creating such an index/map would be most welcome. Needless to say, standards and accessibility are important . . . Thanks, Bob www.gwelanmor-internet.co.uk Hi MIke, I mean the latter. I just wondered how anyone on the list has dealt with this. I was presuming that the simplest method would be to manually produce a list of links on a 'site map' page. I do not really want a graphical presentation of the site, such as the kind of thing generated by dreamweaver. Thanks, Bob *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] SIte Maps?
As far as should obscure site link A be included?, the answer is yes. Sitemaps should generally have a link to each and every link on your website. I typically use just a standard unordered list (ul), and nest it if appropriate. Designer wrote: I have never done a site map/index. I have Googled, but the results seem complicated, at least for a newcomer to site maps. I want to provide a way for visitor to a site to get where they want easily. Of course, the basic structure of the site is key, but when, e.g., there is a link to an obscure (but relevant) aspect of the content, it would be nice if he/she could find it. Any links or pointers to creating such an index/map would be most welcome. Needless to say, standards and accessibility are important . . . Thanks, Bob www.gwelanmor-internet.co.uk *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Christian Snodgrass Azure Ronin Web Design http://www.arwebdesign.net/ http://www.arwebdesign.net Phone: 859.816.7955 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] SIte Maps?
Designer wrote: Any links or pointers to creating such an index/map would be most welcome. Needless to say, standards and accessibility are important . . . I split them up in section-maps - table of contents - and produce them manually. An automated process is probably the only practical solution on larger sites, but a regular nested list is probably the most user-friendly end-result no matter how it is produced. Example: http://www.gunlaug.no/contents/toc_7a.html (I used to have a dozen of those section-maps on my site, before I deleted 3/4 of it. That explains the high (#7a) number.) I link to sub-menus instead of including every single page in a section-menu, as it would otherwise become too large. My site is undergoing changes at the moment, so I'll have to reorganize my section-maps and sub-maps soon. regards Georg -- http://www.gunlaug.no *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
