Re: [WSG] Help - newbie text editors
BB does XHTML, PHP, CSS etc.. built in FTP, HTML Tidy, FTP etc... You name it, it's got it. I use one called Editpad Pro. It has downloadable syntax for a number of different languages, a dictionary, tabs which allow you to work on multiple items at once, a project feature that allows to save all of your files for easier retrieval later, the ability to connect to a mail server and send mail, and a host of other things. There is a free version, and a pay version. It doesn't have the ability to FTP, but since I shy away from FTP as much as possible, this software works great for me. www.editpadpro.com Bryan On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 01:18:19 +0100, Erwin Heiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, First of all, It¹s always you writing the code, not the program ;-) Anyway on the Macintosh these editors rock: BBEdit: see http://www.barebones.com/index.shtml Not cheap, but worth every penny IMHO, Textwrangler is now a free download as an alternative. BB does XHTML, PHP, CSS etc.. built in FTP, HTML Tidy, FTP etc... You name it, it's got it. ... ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Help - newbie text editors
Might as well chuck my recommendation in, for windows ultraedit @ http://www.ultraedit.com/ I normally stick to dreamweaver and notepad on my windows machine and skedit,stylemaster and terminal on my mac but played around a little bit with ultra edit and worth a look. :) It got PC Magazine Editors' Choice Award 2004! - Karl Brightman Freelance web developer email [EMAIL PROTECTED] website under development -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bryan Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 12:02 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Help - newbie text editors BB does XHTML, PHP, CSS etc.. built in FTP, HTML Tidy, FTP etc... You name it, it's got it. I use one called Editpad Pro. It has downloadable syntax for a number of different languages, a dictionary, tabs which allow you to work on multiple items at once, a project feature that allows to save all of your files for easier retrieval later, the ability to connect to a mail server and send mail, and a host of other things. There is a free version, and a pay version. It doesn't have the ability to FTP, but since I shy away from FTP as much as possible, this software works great for me. www.editpadpro.com Bryan On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 01:18:19 +0100, Erwin Heiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, First of all, Its always you writing the code, not the program ;-) Anyway on the Macintosh these editors rock: BBEdit: see http://www.barebones.com/index.shtml Not cheap, but worth every penny IMHO, Textwrangler is now a free download as an alternative. BB does XHTML, PHP, CSS etc.. built in FTP, HTML Tidy, FTP etc... You name it, it's got it. ... ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
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Glad to help! It honestly is the best ever coder I have used. It is true that for Server Side Scripting - it isn't as helpful as it is for HTML. But is is really advanced in that, when you have a document - for example a PHP document, like below: ? php php php php php php php php php php php php ? html head style css css css css css css css css css css css css /style script lang=text/javascript script script script script script script script script /script html html html html html html html html html html html html The program will use PHP Syntax Highligting for the PHP side of the page... HTML for the HTML. CSS for the Styles... and Javascript for the Javascript :) Its really good!!! Love it! Bruce wrote: Chris Stratford wrote: Wow,wow,wow slow down Alan, ... snip I LOVE TSW WebCoder. Built in FTP is Excellent! Built in Project Manager - with Status reports, To Do Lists, Full Project Upload Built in Server Mapping. Preview in IE and Mozilla - only for HTML coding, or if your server mapping... HTML Tidy is built in... Built in HTML/CSS Validator - on the fly validators... Own Scripting Engine, to build your own UI or just functions... Reading the above I decided it wouldn't kill me to try this out. Normally I use an editor just to have clear code highlighted, but this one is terrific. I especially like the download/edit/upload. A great timesaver for sure, and I haven't checked out all of it yet. Thank you Chris, you have made my work easier. That's what the group excels at, helping each other :-) Bruce Prochnau www.bkdesign.ca ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Chris Stratford [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.neester.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.1 - Release Date: 19/01/2005 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
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I haven't even heard of TSW coder before - but it looks pretty good. The built-in code validators look really handy - especially for bug-hunting. Thanks for the link! On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 20:35:31 +1100, Chris Stratford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Glad to help! It honestly is the best ever coder I have used. It is true that for Server Side Scripting - it isn't as helpful as it is for HTML. But is is really advanced in that, when you have a document - for example a PHP document, like below: ? php php php php php php php php php php php php ? html head style css css css css css css css css css css css css /style script lang=text/javascript script script script script script script script script /script html html html html html html html html html html html html The program will use PHP Syntax Highligting for the PHP side of the page... HTML for the HTML. CSS for the Styles... and Javascript for the Javascript :) Its really good!!! Love it! Bruce wrote: Chris Stratford wrote: Wow,wow,wow slow down Alan, ... snip I LOVE TSW WebCoder. Built in FTP is Excellent! Built in Project Manager - with Status reports, To Do Lists, Full Project Upload Built in Server Mapping. Preview in IE and Mozilla - only for HTML coding, or if your server mapping... HTML Tidy is built in... Built in HTML/CSS Validator - on the fly validators... Own Scripting Engine, to build your own UI or just functions... Reading the above I decided it wouldn't kill me to try this out. Normally I use an editor just to have clear code highlighted, but this one is terrific. I especially like the download/edit/upload. A great timesaver for sure, and I haven't checked out all of it yet. Thank you Chris, you have made my work easier. That's what the group excels at, helping each other :-) Bruce Prochnau www.bkdesign.ca ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Chris Stratford [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.neester.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.1 - Release Date: 19/01/2005 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Jason Foss http://www.almost-anything.com.au Windows Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] North Rockhampton, Queensland, Australia ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
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No Problemo Jason! The code validator is odd, when you click on a HTML element in the source, it will show up in the status bar if its valid etc as well. I havn't really used the validators much, but i know they are there because before I wrote up teh little snippet, i was looking through the settings. Version 6 is nearly out as well!! I cant wait. Remember to support the guy who makes it :) It must sound like he is a friend, but i dont know him at all :) So yeah. Glad I helpd some people! Cheers! Jason Foss wrote: I haven't even heard of TSW coder before - but it looks pretty good. The built-in code validators look really handy - especially for bug-hunting. Thanks for the link! On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 20:35:31 +1100, Chris Stratford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Glad to help! It honestly is the best ever coder I have used. It is true that for Server Side Scripting - it isn't as helpful as it is for HTML. But is is really advanced in that, when you have a document - for example a PHP document, like below: ? php php php php php php php php php php php php ? html head style css css css css css css css css css css css css /style script lang=text/javascript script script script script script script script script /script html html html html html html html html html html html html The program will use PHP Syntax Highligting for the PHP side of the page... HTML for the HTML. CSS for the Styles... and Javascript for the Javascript :) Its really good!!! Love it! Bruce wrote: Chris Stratford wrote: Wow,wow,wow slow down Alan, ... snip I LOVE TSW WebCoder. Built in FTP is Excellent! Built in Project Manager - with Status reports, To Do Lists, Full Project Upload Built in Server Mapping. Preview in IE and Mozilla - only for HTML coding, or if your server mapping... HTML Tidy is built in... Built in HTML/CSS Validator - on the fly validators... Own Scripting Engine, to build your own UI or just functions... Reading the above I decided it wouldn't kill me to try this out. Normally I use an editor just to have clear code highlighted, but this one is terrific. I especially like the download/edit/upload. A great timesaver for sure, and I haven't checked out all of it yet. Thank you Chris, you have made my work easier. That's what the group excels at, helping each other :-) Bruce Prochnau www.bkdesign.ca ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Chris Stratford [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.neester.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.1 - Release Date: 19/01/2005 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Chris Stratford [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.neester.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.1 - Release Date: 19/01/2005 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
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Actually that's nothing new. Many of the better editors will do that. The reasons I switched were 1) I was using PHP and so many of the nice things like the built in HTML/CSS Validator. 2) Besides syntax highlighting, it doesn't really support PHP (as in being able to parse it on the fly) 3) Doesn't work in linux 4) Eclipse can do everything TSW Webcoder can do, everything I just mentioned (besides 1, but if I was smart enough I could just right and extention for that), and a whole lot more. Alan Trick Chris Stratford wrote: Glad to help! It honestly is the best ever coder I have used. It is true that for Server Side Scripting - it isn't as helpful as it is for HTML. But is is really advanced in that, when you have a document - for example a PHP document, like below: ? php php php php php php php php php php php php ? html head style css css css css css css css css css css css css /style script lang=text/javascript script script script script script script script script /script html html html html html html html html html html html html The program will use PHP Syntax Highligting for the PHP side of the page... HTML for the HTML. CSS for the Styles... and Javascript for the Javascript :) Its really good!!! Love it! Bruce wrote: Chris Stratford wrote: Wow,wow,wow slow down Alan, ... snip I LOVE TSW WebCoder. Built in FTP is Excellent! Built in Project Manager - with Status reports, To Do Lists, Full Project Upload Built in Server Mapping. Preview in IE and Mozilla - only for HTML coding, or if your server mapping... HTML Tidy is built in... Built in HTML/CSS Validator - on the fly validators... Own Scripting Engine, to build your own UI or just functions... Reading the above I decided it wouldn't kill me to try this out. Normally I use an editor just to have clear code highlighted, but this one is terrific. I especially like the download/edit/upload. A great timesaver for sure, and I haven't checked out all of it yet. Thank you Chris, you have made my work easier. That's what the group excels at, helping each other :-) Bruce Prochnau www.bkdesign.ca ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
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Sorry going to have to stop you there again... Alan Trick wrote: 1) I was using PHP and so many of the nice things like the built in HTML/CSS Validator. I dont get what that means...??? Maybe you mean its redundant? Maybe so, but its a feature never the less... 2) Besides syntax highlighting, it doesn't really support PHP (as in being able to parse it on the fly) Maybe you have the wrong application, because TSW Webcoder does... It has SERVER MAPPING. Which will basically use APACHE and whatever you have installed for apache will be excuted... PHP, PERL, ASP etc... Whatever your APACHE is configured for. 3) Doesn't work in linux Nore does it work on Mac I believe :) thats a good reason to switch, if you use Linux... 4) Eclipse can do everything TSW Webcoder can do, everything I just mentioned (besides 1, but if I was smart enough I could just right and extention for that), and a whole lot more. This has become battle of the editors... :) I love the Project Reports it generates (from the to do list). They look great :) In TSW Webcoder you can write up your own functions, buttons, UI's, completly reskin it all... You can do pretty much anything you like with it... Its beautiful :) Alan Trick -- Chris Stratford [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.neester.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.1 - Release Date: 19/01/2005 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
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Even Dreamweaver's code editing mode does this (context-sensitive syntax highlighting). There's been a good deal of derogatory commentary about Dreamweaver recently, but as a web IDE I think it's fantastic. Where people get into trouble is by relying solely on WYSIWYG mode. I rarely use WYSIWYG mode, but if you know what you're doing and stick to code editing mode it's relatively easy to churn out standards-compliant code in DW. On 21/1/05 1:32 AM, Alan Trick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually that's nothing new. Many of the better editors will do that. The reasons I switched were 1) I was using PHP and so many of the nice things like the built in HTML/CSS Validator. 2) Besides syntax highlighting, it doesn't really support PHP (as in being able to parse it on the fly) 3) Doesn't work in linux 4) Eclipse can do everything TSW Webcoder can do, everything I just mentioned (besides 1, but if I was smart enough I could just right and extention for that), and a whole lot more. Alan Trick -- Kevin Futter Webmaster, St. Bernard's College http://www.sbc.melb.catholic.edu.au/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
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On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 10:05:03 -0330, Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been writing html code for awhile now and and starting to realize how inaccessible and non-web compliant my pages are. I have always hand written code in Edit Plus 2, is there a better editor I can use for web standards ( like Dreamweaver MX ? ) and where should I start for tips on accessibility and standards compliance. Thanks for any help. Paul With regard to editors, you may find this link helpful. http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=CssEditors David -- http://www.dlaakso.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
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standards ( like Dreamweaver MX ? ) Eh, I won't suggest it to beginner - skilled coder knows all the gotchas, but beginner may just stuck with the WYSIWYG and do it badly. Everebody in our workshop works with PSPad on almost everything. If you want to try WYSIWYG I'd suggest trying NVU... and where should I start for tips on accessibility and standards compliance. For example here :) It's up to you if you prefer articles on webmagazines (alistapart.com etc.) or reading books (see amazon.com). -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz | designlab.cz | janbrasna.com Stop IE! - http://www.stopie.com/ | http://browsehappy.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
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Hi, Here's a bit of what I've learned jumping from editor to editor. 1) Don't pay for and editor, unless your filthy rich or can freeload one off a company you work for. There are free alternatives that are at least as good as the one's you pay for. 2) WYSIWYG (point and click) is pure evil. I used to think it saved time. It doesn't. It may be that a new WYSIWYG editor will appear that will prove me wrong, but in my experience they produce invalid code and what's worse is it's unreadable so that you have to rewrite the page if you ever want it to validate of change it to XHTML. 3) You'll probably want to keep a couple of them on hand in case your working on different types of projects since each one is better at different tasks. Currently I'm using Eclipse at home (for my own server, Apache/PHP) and PSPad for work (an IIS/ASP server). A short review of a few I've used (just google to find downloads): 1) TSW Webcoder: Not bad for newbies. It requires regristration to get rid of the popup things which is anoying. It is basically for HTML/CSS coding only. It has no support for server-side scripting like PHP or ASP besides serverside scripting and no support for XML, which is why I wouldn't recommend it to anyone else. The program itself looks nice and the build in ftp manager works well. 2) PHP Coder (Maugma Studios): I got this during my search for decent PHP indegration. PHP Coder and Maugma Studios are essetially the same program with the difference that Maugma Studios will inseccently bug you to give them money. PHP Coder is a good program for PHP coding as well as basic HTML/XHTML but I really wouldn't recommend it for anything else. 3) TopStyle Lite: This is _the_ program for CSS. Granted I haven't really looked around for alternatives, but this one is pretty good. What I really like about it is the buit in style inspector that will allow you to quickly view what broswers and want version of CSS your code is compatible with. 4) Eclipse: This is an IDE developed by IBM. It is open source and highly extensible which is what makes it such a gem. With the PHPEclipse plugin, it is hands down the best program for PHP developement. There's also plugins for just about everything else under the sun (even games). 5) PSPad: This is an excellent text editor. One thing I really like about it the multitude of options it has for syntax hilighting as well as the multihighlighter. I also has a multitude of options that I haven't even looked at. The one fault in this thing is the FTP manager. It locks the program up while your transfering files. On a dial-up connection that can mean that your spending a while twidling your thumbs during uploads. The solution is simple though, just use an external program for FTP. There you go. Hope that helps. Alan Trick Paul wrote: I have been writing html code for awhile now and and starting to realize how inaccessible and non-web compliant my pages are. I have always hand written code in Edit Plus 2, is there a better editor I can use for web standards ( like Dreamweaver MX ? ) and where should I start for tips on accessibility and standards compliance. Thanks for any help. Paul ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Help - newbie
Paul wrote: I have been writing html code for awhile now and and starting to realize how inaccessible and non-web compliant my pages are. I have always hand written code in Edit Plus 2, is there a better editor I can use for web standards ( like Dreamweaver MX ? ) and where should I start for tips on accessibility and standards compliance. Thanks for any help. Paul The editor doesn't make you write bad code-- you do :) I use edit plus2 for all of my dev work, and 99% of it is valid xhtml/css. the last 1% is because i'm on an MS system at work, and we all know how sometimes, theres just no way to do it right and serve a 99.9995% IE6 audience. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
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On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 10:05:03 -0330, Paul wrote: is there a better editor I can use for web standards ( like Dreamweaver MX ? ) and where should I start for tips on accessibility and standards compliance. Rather than changing editors, or at least, rather than going to DW! :), I'd suggest you just start validating your pages. Figuring out those fixes will teach you a lot, and from there you can move on to Accessibility with time. You know the URLs to validate, right? http://validator.w3.org/ is one, and there are a couple of others. HIH! Lea -- Lea de Groot Elysian Systems - I Understand the Internet http://elysiansystems.com/ Search Engine Optimisation, Usability, Information Architecture, Web Design Brisbane, Australia ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
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Thanks for the help. I realize it is I who has been writing the bad code and want to get away from it, I guess I am having a hard time getting around the idea of replacing tables with div tags or is that really necessary? As an example, if you want one, take a look at this page (http://www.m5i.com/wu/index13.php) that is coming under fire ( no need to rehash how bad the code is, the client has already informed me :-) ) How do you achieve the same spacing, and the forever repeating background on the header! Ahh ! Thanks for all your help, This forum is awesome! Paul -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Cummiskey Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 11:12 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Help - newbie Paul wrote: I have been writing html code for awhile now and and starting to realize how inaccessible and non-web compliant my pages are. I have always hand written code in Edit Plus 2, is there a better editor I can use for web standards ( like Dreamweaver MX ? ) and where should I start for tips on accessibility and standards compliance. Thanks for any help. Paul The editor doesn't make you write bad code-- you do :) I use edit plus2 for all of my dev work, and 99% of it is valid xhtml/css. the last 1% is because i'm on an MS system at work, and we all know how sometimes, theres just no way to do it right and serve a 99.9995% IE6 audience. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
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True, provided your editor isn't WYSIWYG. Brian Cummiskey wrote: Paul wrote: I have been writing html code for awhile now and and starting to realize how inaccessible and non-web compliant my pages are. I have always hand written code in Edit Plus 2, is there a better editor I can use for web standards ( like Dreamweaver MX ? ) and where should I start for tips on accessibility and standards compliance. Thanks for any help. Paul The editor doesn't make you write bad code-- you do :) I use edit plus2 for all of my dev work, and 99% of it is valid xhtml/css. the last 1% is because i'm on an MS system at work, and we all know how sometimes, theres just no way to do it right and serve a 99.9995% IE6 audience. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
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Wow,wow,wow slow down Alan, ... Alan Trick wrote: 1) TSW Webcoder: Not bad for newbies. It requires regristration to get rid of the popup things which is anoying. It is basically for HTML/CSS coding only. It has no support for server-side scripting like PHP or ASP besides serverside scripting and no support for XML, which is why I wouldn't recommend it to anyone else. The program itself looks nice and the build in ftp manager works well. I LOVE TSW WebCoder. TSWare does have syntax highlighting for: PHP, ASP, Javascript, HTML/XHTML, XML, CSS, C#, SQL, VBScript... It has autocomplete for HTML which is great too, it will popup code competion options etc.. like VB does - this can be turned off too!! it has LOTS of support... The developer has his own forums where he personally replies and accepts suggestions and critisims, here: http://www.webcoderusers.net/ Built in FTP is Excellent! Built in Project Manager - with Status reports, To Do Lists, Full Project Upload Built in Server Mapping. Preview in IE and Mozilla - only for HTML coding, or if your server mapping... HTML Tidy is built in... Built in HTML/CSS Validator - on the fly validators... Own Scripting Engine, to build your own UI or just functions... Wow. I could go on more and more... i LOVE TSW Webcoder! I would recommend it to ANYONE!!! The registration you do is optional, and its free no matter what... I love it. www.tsware.net Enjoy!! -- Chris Stratford [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.neester.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.0 - Release Date: 17/01/2005 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
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Paul wrote: I have been writing html code for awhile now and and starting to realize how inaccessible and non-web compliant my pages are. I have always hand written code in Edit Plus 2, is there a better editor I can use for web standards ( like Dreamweaver MX ? ) and where should I start for tips on accessibility and standards compliance. I know this sounds highly hypocritical, but if you wait 'till August, Visual Studio 2005 looks attractive... we've been assured of complete XHTML1.1 and full CSS2.1 support. You can get it quite cheaply on a student license, usually at around £80 (considering it usually costs around £800 ;) ), but if you need something urgently, I'd use HomeSite... it comes with Dreamweaver MX (although the RDS Driver installed with it can make a mess of your system) -- -David R ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
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Paul wrote: I have been writing html code for awhile now and and starting to realize how inaccessible and non-web compliant my pages are. I have always hand written code in Edit Plus 2, is there a better editor I can use for web standards ( like Dreamweaver MX ? ) and where should I start for tips on accessibility and standards compliance. Thanks for any help. Paul Firstly, can I second the other commentors views on Validation and WYSIWYG etc. Secondly, can I recommend NoteTab Light - a free text editor available from Fookes Software. Excellent clipbook support with downloadable libraries available for most programming languages. Also plugins for integrated HTML Tidy and Validation are available along with a bunch of other useful widgets. I've used it religiously for about 4 years - so much so that I upgraded to the Pro version. At $19.95 you can't really go wrong. Hope that helps, Bryan BryanDavis.info http://www.bryandavis.info ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
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I have always recommended not using an editor, learn it manually, then perhaps use one for shortcuts. Reliance on html editors and such isn't a good idea. That will go a long way toward learning on your own, without being limited by some software. Notetab or notepad is fine. Bruce Prochnau www.bkdesign.ca Ontario David Laakso wrote: On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 10:05:03 -0330, Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been writing html code for awhile now and and starting to realize how inaccessible and non-web compliant my pages are. I have always hand written code in Edit Plus 2, is there a better editor I can use for web standards ( like Dreamweaver MX ? ) and where should I start for tips on accessibility and standards compliance. Thanks for any help. Paul With regard to editors, you may find this link helpful. http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=CssEditors David ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
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On 1/19/05 3:55 PM, Bruce [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have always recommended not using an editor, learn it manually, then perhaps use one for shortcuts. Reliance on html editors and such isn't a good idea. That will go a long way toward learning on your own, without being limited by some software. Notetab or notepad is fine. I couldn't agree more. I learned this way and it is the best teacher I've ever had (next to the WSG list). I had templates to work with in the early days and I couldn't understand anything other than how to replace text. You'll make mistakes and beat your head against the wall at times, but it's the BEST way to learn. Once you start feeling comfortable, you'll be able to open any source code and start tearing it apart to figure out how something was accomplished. Learn the basics...it'll go a long way. w -- Wayne Godfrey President, Creative Director Outgate Media, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Help - newbie
On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 00:41:40 +1000, Lea de Groot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rather than changing editors, or at least, rather than going to DW! :), I'd suggest you just start validating your pages. Figuring out those fixes will teach you a lot, and from there you can move on to Accessibility with time. You know the URLs to validate, right? http://validator.w3.org/ is one, and there are a couple of others. excellent point, Lea. re editors, personally i use JEdit most of the time: http://jedit.org/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Help - newbie
Chris Stratford wrote: Wow,wow,wow slow down Alan, ... snip I LOVE TSW WebCoder. Built in FTP is Excellent! Built in Project Manager - with Status reports, To Do Lists, Full Project Upload Built in Server Mapping. Preview in IE and Mozilla - only for HTML coding, or if your server mapping... HTML Tidy is built in... Built in HTML/CSS Validator - on the fly validators... Own Scripting Engine, to build your own UI or just functions... Reading the above I decided it wouldn't kill me to try this out. Normally I use an editor just to have clear code highlighted, but this one is terrific. I especially like the download/edit/upload. A great timesaver for sure, and I haven't checked out all of it yet. Thank you Chris, you have made my work easier. That's what the group excels at, helping each other :-) Bruce Prochnau www.bkdesign.ca ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Help - newbie
Paul wrote: I have been writing html code for awhile now and and starting to realize how inaccessible and non-web compliant my pages are. I have always hand written code in Edit Plus 2, is there a better editor I can use for web standards ( like Dreamweaver MX ? ) and where should I start for tips on accessibility and standards compliance. Thanks for any help. Paul I use textpad and love it. syntax highlighting, lots of features I have used, more I haven't. http://www.textpad.com/ Free with a startup nag, pay to remove the nag. right click on the file, view in browser (firefox w/developer extentsions) and vailiate it there. -- Ben Hamilton mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hamilton.id.au/?:-) emarketing, seo, web development ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
