Re: [wsjt-devel] Integration with HRD

[Frank Kirschner]

The callsign database file is associated with JTAlertX, not WSJT-X. I was looking in the wrong place.

 

Frank

 

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On 3/08/2018 4:03 AM, Frank Kirschner wrote:
> Mike Black got me set up with JTAlertX, and it's working well. Thanks.
>
> I remember reading about a callsign database that should be
> downloaded, but I can't find the reference or the database itself.
> Where is either one?
>
> 73,
> Frank
> KF6E
Frank or Mike,

What was the solution?

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Re: [wsjt-devel] Integration with HRD

[Frank Kirschner]

On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 6:51 PM, Laurie, VK3AMA <_vk3a...@vkdxer.net> wrote:

>
>
> On 3/08/2018 8:36 AM, Black Michael via wsjt-devel wrote:
>
>> The main solution was turning on HRD logging :-)
>>
>
It's actually a little more complicated than that. First, you have to know
that you must turn on that feature. I watched a couple of tutorial videos
on using JTAlert-X to link logging info from WSJT-X to HRD, and neither of
them mentioned this.

Then you have to know exactly what to do. If, in the "Help File," for
JTAlert-X, under Settings, Logging, HRD V5/V6, instead of "Under
Construction," it read, "Once JTAlert-X is communicating with WSJT-X, in
JTAlert-X, go got Settings, Manage Settings, click on the + to the left of
Logging to expand it, and select HRD V5/V6. Check 'Enable HRD V5/V6
Logging.' Check the Log Name and PC IPv4 Address against what HRD Logbook
uses to insure they are identical. Click 'OK,' " that would help.


>> Other things had to do with audio settings for operations, wide graph
>> settings, and such.
>>
>> de Mike W9MDB
>>
> Thanks Mike,
>
> Hmmm, Not having the logging enabled would not have produced the "Unable
> to communicate with the WSJT-X process" error posted.


You're right. I managed to fix that before the session with Mike. What was
happening was the UDP settings in WSJT-X weren't "taking." When I closed
the program and opened it again, the settings had reverted to their
original, which kept the programs from communicating.  I closed everything
and started again from scratch, and the setting changes persisted.

>
>
> de Laurie VK3AMA
>
>
> 73,
Frank
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Re: [wsjt-devel] Integration with HRD

[Laurie, VK3AMA]

On 3/08/2018 8:36 AM, Black Michael via wsjt-devel wrote:

The main solution was turning on HRD logging :-)

Other things had to do with audio settings for operations, wide graph 
settings, and such.


de Mike W9MDB

Thanks Mike,

Hmmm, Not having the logging enabled would not have produced the "Unable 
to communicate with the WSJT-X process" error posted.


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Re: [wsjt-devel] Initial signal level

[Black Michael via wsjt-devel]

With Audacity...there's no auto-adjust for signal level.  So it should be the 
"real" thing coming directly from WSJT_X>You can pick the same output sound 
card to record.

Mike


 

On Thursday, August 2, 2018, 4:35:53 PM CDT, Bill Somerville 
 wrote:  
 
  On 02/08/2018 20:40, Black Michael via wsjt-devel wrote:
  
 Noticed that an FT8 (or JT9 or JT65) signal starts out at a level noticeably 
above the average power level when a high power on the slider.
  Is there a reason for this?  Seems like this could overdrive some rigs 
running at max power already. Only noticeable when WSJT-X level is above -3.4dB 
and more pronounced as the level increases.
  running r8748 
 
  
  de Mike W9MDB
   
   
 
Hi Mike,
 
how are you capturing that signal you show in your screen capture?
 
73
 Bill
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Re: [wsjt-devel] Integration with HRD

[Black Michael via wsjt-devel]

The main solution was turning on HRD logging :-)
Other things had to do with audio settings for operations, wide graph settings, 
and such.
de Mike W9MDB


 

On Thursday, August 2, 2018, 4:53:13 PM CDT, Frank Kirschner 
 wrote:  
 
 There were a bunch of settings that needed attention that I didn't know about. 
Mike knew exactly what to do. 
Frank 
On Thu, Aug 2, 2018, 17:29 Laurie, VK3AMA <_vk3a...@vkdxer.net> wrote:



On 3/08/2018 4:03 AM, Frank Kirschner wrote:
> Mike Black got me set up with JTAlertX, and it's working well. Thanks.
>
> I remember reading about a callsign database that should be 
> downloaded, but I can't find the reference or the database itself. 
> Where is either one?
>
> 73,
> Frank
> KF6E
Frank or Mike,

What was the solution?

de Laurie VK3AMA


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Re: [wsjt-devel] Initial signal level

[Bill Somerville]

On 02/08/2018 20:40, Black Michael via wsjt-devel wrote:
Noticed that an FT8 (or JT9 or JT65) signal starts out at a level 
noticeably above the average power level when a high power on the slider.
Is there a reason for this?  Seems like this could overdrive some rigs 
running at max power already.
Only noticeable when WSJT-X level is above -3.4dB and more pronounced 
as the level increases.

running r8748
Inline image


de Mike W9MDB


Hi Mike,

how are you capturing that signal you show in your screen capture?

73
Bill
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Re: [wsjt-devel] Integration with HRD

[Laurie, VK3AMA]

On 3/08/2018 4:03 AM, Frank Kirschner wrote:

Mike Black got me set up with JTAlertX, and it's working well. Thanks.

I remember reading about a callsign database that should be 
downloaded, but I can't find the reference or the database itself. 
Where is either one?


73,
Frank
KF6E

Frank or Mike,

What was the solution?

de Laurie VK3AMA


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Re: [wsjt-devel] Integration with HRD

[Laurie, VK3AMA]

On 3/08/2018 4:03 AM, Frank Kirschner wrote:

Mike Black got me set up with JTAlertX, and it's working well. Thanks.

73,
Frank
KF6E


Frank or Mike,

What was the problem?

de Laurie VK3AMA


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Re: [wsjt-devel] Integration with HRD

[Frank Kirschner]

Doh! I was looking at the WSJT page. Short between the headsets.

Thanks.

Frank

On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 3:01 PM, Black Michael via wsjt-devel <
wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote:

> Frank
> If you got to the same place as you downloaded JTAlert the callsign
> database link is a bit below it.
>
> de Mike W9MDB
>
>
>
>
> On Thursday, August 2, 2018, 1:06:13 PM CDT, Frank Kirschner <
> fr...@fkirschner.net> wrote:
>
>
> Mike Black got me set up with JTAlertX, and it's working well. Thanks.
>
> I remember reading about a callsign database that should be downloaded,
> but I can't find the reference or the database itself. Where is either one?
>
> 73,
> Frank
> KF6E
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[wsjt-devel] Initial signal level

[Black Michael via wsjt-devel]

Noticed that an FT8 (or JT9 or JT65) signal starts out at a level noticeably 
above the average power level when a high power on the slider.
Is there a reason for this?  Seems like this could overdrive some rigs running 
at max power already.Only noticeable when WSJT-X level is above -3.4dB and more 
pronounced as the level increases.
running r8748


de Mike W9MDB


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Re: [wsjt-devel] A strange signal seen on the air

[David Fisher]

Yes, you can overdrive the audio level easily and create noise, but you can 
also monitor the drive level just as easily and set it to any value up to max, 
without overdriving.  At max power on my 6600, using just the transceiver PA 
and no amp, I can generate a 90 watt signal at a point just short of clipping.  
Since WSJT-X produces a uniform level signal, and since I run the 6600 at max 
power when transmitting, all I have to do to adjust the signal power is adjust 
the gain control in the digital TX channel.  In my case, full power is achieved 
at a gain setting of about “34”.  Typical settings are in the teens.

Dave / NX6D



From: Black Michael via wsjt-devel 
Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2018 6:00:46 AM
To: WSJT software development
Cc: Black Michael
Subject: Re: [wsjt-devel] A strange signal seen on the air

Maybe you're not aware...but I am having helped at least one Flex user who was 
generating noise.  You can still trigger the ALC on a Flex radio (or any other 
SDR) with too much audio for the power setting.

de Mike W9MDB






On Thursday, August 2, 2018, 2:27:04 AM CDT, David Fisher 
 wrote:



Flex radio users routinely do not use “Fake It” mode, as the TX audio signal 
never exists in analog form from the point where it created by WSJT-X until the 
RF signal is synthesized.  I’m not aware of any cases of audio harmonics 
appearing in Flex generated FT8/JT65/JT9 signals.  I run with a 4K wide RX and 
TX passband in DIGU mode, which bypasses all audio signal processing.



Dave / NX6D






From: Carey Fisher 
Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2018 8:29:05 PM
To: WSJT software development
Subject: Re: [wsjt-devel] A strange signal seen on the air

Well, duh...

On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 7:45 PM, G8DQX (WSJT developers on SF) 
mailto:wsjtde...@gape.me.uk>> wrote:

When the TX is not employing CAT control of frequency, for starters.

Robin

On 01/08/18 18:55, Carey Fisher wrote:
Name 1.

On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 1:35 PM, Black Michael via wsjt-devel 
mailto:wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>> 
wrote:
Because there are too many situations where it doesn't work.

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Re: [wsjt-devel] Integration with HRD

[Black Michael via wsjt-devel]

Frank
If you got to the same place as you downloaded JTAlert the callsign database 
link is a bit below it.
de Mike W9MDB


 

On Thursday, August 2, 2018, 1:06:13 PM CDT, Frank Kirschner 
 wrote:  
 
 Mike Black got me set up with JTAlertX, and it's working well. Thanks.

I remember reading about a callsign database that should be downloaded, but I 
can't find the reference or the database itself. Where is either one?
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Re: [wsjt-devel] Integration with HRD

[Frank Kirschner]

Mike Black got me set up with JTAlertX, and it's working well. Thanks.

I remember reading about a callsign database that should be downloaded, but
I can't find the reference or the database itself. Where is either one?

73,
Frank
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Re: [wsjt-devel] WSJT-X need to log the end time of QSO not the start

[Tom Melvin]

Jim

For your info - we don’t really need to keep a log unless asked to do so.

> 12(1) For the purposes of any interference investigation, to determine 
> compliance with the terms, conditions and limitations of this Licence, or for 
> any other matter concerning the enforcement of any relevant legislation, the 
> Licensee shall at the request of a person authorised by Ofcom, keep a 
> permanent record (a “log”) of such matters concerning the operation of the 
> Radio Equipment, over such period, and in such form, as the authorised person 
> may require.


However, it is handy in-case there are ‘interference’ or ‘Bad signal’ reports - 
in advance of being asked. Also with some of the longer communications methods 
- Meter Scatter etc. the ‘length of the QSO is handy.

73’s

Tom
GM8MJV



On 2 Aug 2018, at 17:28, Jim Brown  wrote:

> On 8/1/2018 6:00 PM, Ed Stallman wrote:
>> Love both FT8 and N1MM + logger,
> 
> So do I, but only for contest logging. My primary log is DXKeeper, which DOES 
> record start and stop times, and is designed to be a general purpose logger. 
> N1MM doesn't bother with start and stop times because contest QSOs are 
> intentionally too short for that to matter. WSJT-X integrates very well with 
> DXKeeper and with N1MM when used with JTAlert. I used it that way in the 
> recent CQWW VHF contest. Outside of contests, I log directly to DXKeeper.
> 
> I don't know the law in the UK, but the logging requirement for US hams was 
> eliminated MANY years ago.
> 
> 73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [wsjt-devel] WSJT-X need to log the end time of QSO not the start

[Jim Brown]

On 8/1/2018 6:00 PM, Ed Stallman wrote:

Love both FT8 and N1MM + logger,


So do I, but only for contest logging. My primary log is DXKeeper, which 
DOES record start and stop times, and is designed to be a general 
purpose logger. N1MM doesn't bother with start and stop times because 
contest QSOs are intentionally too short for that to matter. WSJT-X 
integrates very well with DXKeeper and with N1MM when used with JTAlert. 
I used it that way in the recent CQWW VHF contest. Outside of contests, 
I log directly to DXKeeper.


I don't know the law in the UK, but the logging requirement for US hams 
was eliminated MANY years ago.


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Re: [wsjt-devel] Integration with HRD

[Frank Kirschner]

John,

Yes. Mine says 2237. No idea how to check to see if this is correct. I'm
going to connect with Mike Black in a bit, and he can get this fixed.

Frank
KF6E

On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 4:55 AM, John  wrote:

> Frank,
>
>
>
> Did you check the udp port in JTalert. Settings<->Applications<->WSJT-X
> …. UDP Port is here 2334
>
>
>
> John PA5JS
>
>
>
> *Van:* Frank Kirschner [mailto:fr...@fkirschner.net]
> *Verzonden:* donderdag 2 augustus 2018 02:11
> *Aan:* Black Michael; WSJT software development
> *Onderwerp:* Re: [wsjt-devel] Integration with HRD
>
>
>
> My memory isn't very good, and I forgot that I tried this a while back. I
> tried it again, and get the same error message:
>
>
>
>
>
> The settings in WSJT-X look exactly like those shown in the Setup section
> of the help file.
>
>
>
> No idea what to do now.  Any suggestions would be appreciated.
>
>
>
> 73,
>
> Frank
>
> KF6E
>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 3:44 PM, Black Michael via wsjt-devel <
> wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote:
>
> JTAlert will do it with WSJT-X plus more
>
>
>
> http://www.hamapps.com
>
>
>
> de Mike W9MDB
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [wsjt-devel] A strange signal seen on the air

[Black Michael via wsjt-devel]

Maybe you're not aware...but I am having helped at least one Flex user who was 
generating noise.  You can still trigger the ALC on a Flex radio (or any other 
SDR) with too much audio for the power setting.

de Mike W9MDB




 

On Thursday, August 2, 2018, 2:27:04 AM CDT, David Fisher 
 wrote:  
 
 
Flex radio users routinely do not use “Fake It” mode, as the TX audio signal 
never exists in analog form from the point where it created by WSJT-X until the 
RF signal is synthesized.  I’m not aware of any cases of audio harmonics 
appearing in Flex generated FT8/JT65/JT9 signals.  I run with a 4K wide RX and 
TX passband in DIGU mode, which bypasses all audio signal processing.

  
 
Dave / NX6D

  
 
  
 From: Carey Fisher 
Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2018 8:29:05 PM
To: WSJT software development
Subject: Re: [wsjt-devel] A strange signal seen on the air Well, duh...
On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 7:45 PM, G8DQX (WSJT developers on 
SF) wrote:


When the TX is not employing CAT control of frequency, for starters.

Robin


On 01/08/18 18:55, Carey Fisher wrote:

Name 1.
On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 1:35 PM, Black Michael via 
wsjt-devel wrote:

Because there are too many situations where it doesn't work.
de Mike W9MDB



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Re: [wsjt-devel] Integration with HRD

[John]

Frank,

 

Did you check the udp port in JTalert. Settings<->Applications<->WSJT-X …. UDP 
Port is here 2334

 

John PA5JS

 

Van: Frank Kirschner [mailto:fr...@fkirschner.net] 
Verzonden: donderdag 2 augustus 2018 02:11
Aan: Black Michael; WSJT software development
Onderwerp: Re: [wsjt-devel] Integration with HRD

 

My memory isn't very good, and I forgot that I tried this a while back. I tried 
it again, and get the same error message:

 



 

The settings in WSJT-X look exactly like those shown in the Setup section of 
the help file. 

 

No idea what to do now.  Any suggestions would be appreciated.

 

73,

Frank

KF6E

 

On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 3:44 PM, Black Michael via wsjt-devel 
 wrote:

JTAlert will do it with WSJT-X plus more

 

http://www.hamapps.com

 

de Mike W9MDB

 

 

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Re: [wsjt-devel] WSJT-X need to log the end time of QSO not the start

[Tom Melvin]

Ed,

Just my 2p worth

There will be a LOT of flack if wsjt was to just  log the end time - I want to 
know when I started the QSO not when finished - thankfully I use a ‘Normal’ 
logger that handles start/finish times and all works as it should. It keeps me 
within the terms of my licence - recording when ‘on’ the air. 

I have been monitoring the wsjt forums for quite a while now and this is the 
1st time seen this so I don’t think you will get much support for a change.

There is an obvious solution but as you have said you like using a contest 
logger and won’t change.  The N1MM software _could_ record both timestamps and 
only export the end time to the cabrillo log but looks like that is not an 
option either.



73’s
Tom
GM8MJV


On 2 Aug 2018, at 02:00, Ed Stallman  wrote:

> Please read from bottom up... I started this message with the Yahoo WSJT-X 
> group , I was told this  is an N1MM + issue . So I sent the message to the 
> N1MM + user group and as you can read below , I'm told the issue is with 
> WSJT=X 
> I'm only a user of N1MM + and WSJT-X FT8 mode !  In WSJT-X settings / 
> Reporting ( N1MM logger + Broadcast )  I have checked Enable logged contact 
> ADIF .. Now if the log time was at the end of the QSO , Club Log , LoTW and 
> the user's would all be happy.
> 
> Now all this is not really a big issue , I can mentally detect the QSO is 
> taking a long time and edit the time when QSO is  complete 
> Love both FT8 and N1MM + logger, Ed N5DG
> 
> 
> 
> Amplifying what Steve says, in a contest, a QSO must be *completed* before 
> the end of the contest.  If it is not, it doesn't count.  Since there is only 
> one timestamp in a Cabrillo log, it should be the ending time of the contact. 
> 
> 73, 
> 
> Tom - N1MM 
> 
> 
> On 8/1/2018 6:41 PM, Steve London wrote: 
> I have brought up this issue on WSJT-X forums in the context of the LoTW time 
> match window. When normally logging a QSO in N1MM+, without WSJT, the 
> completion time of the QSO is finished and logged. I consider that to be 
> correct. As you have noticed, WSJT sends the start time to N1MM+. IMHO, that 
> is not correct. WSJT-X folks have a different opinion. You really should take 
> up this issue with the WSJT-X folks. 
> 
> 73, 
> Steve, N2IC 
> 
> On 08/01/2018 04:29 PM, ed.n...@gmail.com wrote: 
> This may have  been discussed and I missed it . I worked and logged Z66X on 
> 10m FT8 , it was not an easy contact . I would stop and start again as QSB 
> permitted . After receiving  and sending 73's I clicked log it in the WSJT 
> program and WSJT sends the Q to N1MM plus . Now a few days later I'm filling 
> in date and time using Club Log   OQRS and I was not getting a match . I 
> remembered , I made a WSJT screenshot . My screenshot time was 26 minutes 
> later then the time WSJT / N1MM+ logged the QSO ! Entering the screenshot 
> time was a match in club log . 
> 
> Now I'm keeping a close eye on the WSJT log time and it appears to use  only 
> the start time when sending to N1MM+ or should I say N1MM only grabs the 
> start time 
> 
> I see WSJT has a start and end time so It would be great if N1MM+ would use 
> the end time , or both ... 
> 
> Now I know N1MM + is a contest log and I'm using iit as a general log but 
> that is because I like it and won't use any other logging software . I'm only 
> asking for a simple change and can't see it making a bit of difference for 
> contester logging the start or the end of the QSO . 
> 
> If I'm asking for to much , It's simple ... If my DX QSO is timely, I'll 
> change the time manually but I will not stop using N1MM Logger 
> 
> Thanks for reading, Good luck with ur contesting, Ed N5DG 
> 
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Re: [wsjt-devel] A strange signal seen on the air

[David Fisher]

Flex radio users routinely do not use “Fake It” mode, as the TX audio signal 
never exists in analog form from the point where it created by WSJT-X until the 
RF signal is synthesized.  I’m not aware of any cases of audio harmonics 
appearing in Flex generated FT8/JT65/JT9 signals.  I run with a 4K wide RX and 
TX passband in DIGU mode, which bypasses all audio signal processing.

Dave / NX6D



From: Carey Fisher 
Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2018 8:29:05 PM
To: WSJT software development
Subject: Re: [wsjt-devel] A strange signal seen on the air

Well, duh...

On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 7:45 PM, G8DQX (WSJT developers on SF) 
mailto:wsjtde...@gape.me.uk>> wrote:

When the TX is not employing CAT control of frequency, for starters.

Robin

On 01/08/18 18:55, Carey Fisher wrote:
Name 1.

On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 1:35 PM, Black Michael via wsjt-devel 
mailto:wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>> 
wrote:
Because there are too many situations where it doesn't work.

de Mike W9MDB


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