Re: [wsjt-devel] Q65 false decode

2023-04-16 Thread K9RX via wsjt-devel 
Joe,

Thank you. Indeed I did not have auto clear turned on. I have always had it on 
until recently. I had found, when Lance was trying out contest mode using your 
new software for his trip, that I had decodes (average) when I had it turned 
off (and no AVG DEC when on). NOTE this was while listening so I’m receiving a 
decode most every even cycle from Lance but I also want to decode those calling 
him (odd). 

So – questions if I may please (I just re-read the manual to be clear this is 
not addressed there):
1) Does average apply to each of multiple signals in the window?
2) Is there a separate average queue for 1st and 2nd sequence? (would be great 
if RXing both looking for stns)
3) And if so if auto clear is on does it only clear the averages for those that 
have now decoded or 
4) if only one decode comes in and there are say 3 stations there (in the 
averages)) do all the averages now get cleared out?

I assumed 4. Which is why I turned off auto clear since if it is 4 above it 
would never do an averages if Lance always decoded.  And as mentioned I went 
from 0 averages in the AVG DEC window with it on to several ongoing with it 
off. 

Gary 
K9RX


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From: Joe Taylor via wsjt-devel
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Subject: Re: [wsjt-devel] Q65 false decode

Hi Gary and Don:

Those are not false decodes.  They are not spurious decodes.  Evidently 
you have "Enable averaging" turned on, but not "Auto Clear Avg after 
decode".  And you did not do a "Clear Avg" manually.  Not a good plan, 
generally, for the type of operating you are doing.  You must learn to 
use these tools -- it's not all automated, nor could it be.  The 
operator is important, and must make informed choices.

Like all other settings, the "Save all" setting is specific to each 
Configuration you have defined.

-- 73, Joe, K1JT

On 4/16/2023 9:55 AM, Don Hawbaker via wsjt-devel wrote:
> I have noticed a similar problem.  Spurious decode.  Sometimes the old 
> decode can even be from a previous contact.  Very strange.  Never did 
> this before.  v2.6
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Apr 16, 2023, at 9:30 AM, K9RX via wsjt-devel 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Hello all.
>>
>> I was running Q65-60A on 6M EME this morning. I am using version 2.6.0 
>> b15b7. I have DEEP and ENA AVG turned on. I decoded the station I was 
>> calling every sequence. However twice WSJT decoded the “proper” signal 
>> (right doppler and seq) but then decoded, in the AVG window, a 2^nd 
>> that was one sequence previously. Unfortunately I didn’t see that my 
>> TX then reverted back to the original and was not the follow on 
>> (proper one).
>>
>> This happened again the next sequence but I caught it that time. 
>> Unfortunately I do not normally have SAVE turned on so I don’t have 
>> the data file.
>>
>> I mentioned this as an FYI re false decodes. I don’t remember ever 
>> getting this before (this version).
>>
>> But I have a question: I have Q65-60A as a configuration and switch to 
>> it when doing EME. Can I set the SAVE as on for this config and will 
>> it then be off for the other configs I have built?
>>
>> Gary
>>
>> K9RX
>>
>> You can see below at 1303 I got, at -24, his RX3. WSJT started to send 
>> TX4 at 1304. Then it (almost) immediately decoded his TX1 and WSJT 
>> switched back to TX2. I did not catch this. The next sequence you can 
>> see this repeated at 1307. I have since turned on SAVE DECODED and 
>> finally you can see false (AVG) decodes at 1309 – 1317. He was not 
>> transmitting during these sequences. I can send tis file if that would 
>> help.
>>
>> *1302 Tx 1500 : W5WP K9RX -26*
>>
>> *1303 -24 2.8 1442 : K9RX W5WP R-32  q3*
>>
>> *1304 Tx 1500 : W5WP K9RX RRR*
>>
>> *1303 -24 2.8 1447 : K9RX W5WP EM00  q35*
>>
>> *1304 Tx 1500 : W5WP K9RX -24*
>>
>> *1305 -19 2.8 1439 : K9RX W5WP R-32  q3*
>>
>> *1306 Tx 1500 : W5WP K9RX RRR*
>>
>> *1307 -24 2.8 1439 : K9RX W5WP RRR  q3*
>>
>> *1308 Tx 1500 : W5WP K9RX 73*
>>
>> *1307 -23 2.8 1441 : K9RX W5WP R-32  q37*
>>
>> *1308 Tx 1500 : W5WP K9RX 73*
>>
>> *1309 -24 2.8 1441 : K9RX W5WP R-32  q38*
>>
>> *1311 -26 2.8 1441 : K9RX W5WP R-32  q39*
>>
>> *1313 -28 2.8 1441 : K9RX W5WP R-32  q3**
>>
>> *1315 -29 2.8 1441 : K9RX W5WP R-32  q3**
>>
>> *1317 -31 2.8 1441 : K9RX W5WP R-32  q3**
>>
>> *1319 -32 2.8 1441 : K9RX W5WP R-32  q3**
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Re: [wsjt-devel] Q65 false decode

2023-04-16 Thread Joe Taylor via wsjt-devel 

Hi Gary and Don:

Those are not false decodes.  They are not spurious decodes.  Evidently 
you have "Enable averaging" turned on, but not "Auto Clear Avg after 
decode".  And you did not do a "Clear Avg" manually.  Not a good plan, 
generally, for the type of operating you are doing.  You must learn to 
use these tools -- it's not all automated, nor could it be.  The 
operator is important, and must make informed choices.


Like all other settings, the "Save all" setting is specific to each 
Configuration you have defined.


-- 73, Joe, K1JT

On 4/16/2023 9:55 AM, Don Hawbaker via wsjt-devel wrote:
I have noticed a similar problem.  Spurious decode.  Sometimes the old 
decode can even be from a previous contact.  Very strange.  Never did 
this before.  v2.6


Sent from my iPad

On Apr 16, 2023, at 9:30 AM, K9RX via wsjt-devel 
 wrote:




Hello all.

I was running Q65-60A on 6M EME this morning. I am using version 2.6.0 
b15b7. I have DEEP and ENA AVG turned on. I decoded the station I was 
calling every sequence. However twice WSJT decoded the “proper” signal 
(right doppler and seq) but then decoded, in the AVG window, a 2^nd 
that was one sequence previously. Unfortunately I didn’t see that my 
TX then reverted back to the original and was not the follow on 
(proper one).


This happened again the next sequence but I caught it that time. 
Unfortunately I do not normally have SAVE turned on so I don’t have 
the data file.


I mentioned this as an FYI re false decodes. I don’t remember ever 
getting this before (this version).


But I have a question: I have Q65-60A as a configuration and switch to 
it when doing EME. Can I set the SAVE as on for this config and will 
it then be off for the other configs I have built?


Gary

K9RX

You can see below at 1303 I got, at -24, his RX3. WSJT started to send 
TX4 at 1304. Then it (almost) immediately decoded his TX1 and WSJT 
switched back to TX2. I did not catch this. The next sequence you can 
see this repeated at 1307. I have since turned on SAVE DECODED and 
finally you can see false (AVG) decodes at 1309 – 1317. He was not 
transmitting during these sequences. I can send tis file if that would 
help.


*1302 Tx 1500 : W5WP K9RX -26*

*1303 -24 2.8 1442 : K9RX W5WP R-32  q3*

*1304 Tx 1500 : W5WP K9RX RRR*

*1303 -24 2.8 1447 : K9RX W5WP EM00  q35*

*1304 Tx 1500 : W5WP K9RX -24*

*1305 -19 2.8 1439 : K9RX W5WP R-32  q3*

*1306 Tx 1500 : W5WP K9RX RRR*

*1307 -24 2.8 1439 : K9RX W5WP RRR  q3*

*1308 Tx 1500 : W5WP K9RX 73*

*1307 -23 2.8 1441 : K9RX W5WP R-32  q37*

*1308 Tx 1500 : W5WP K9RX 73*

*1309 -24 2.8 1441 : K9RX W5WP R-32  q38*

*1311 -26 2.8 1441 : K9RX W5WP R-32  q39*

*1313 -28 2.8 1441 : K9RX W5WP R-32  q3**

*1315 -29 2.8 1441 : K9RX W5WP R-32  q3**

*1317 -31 2.8 1441 : K9RX W5WP R-32  q3**

*1319 -32 2.8 1441 : K9RX W5WP R-32  q3**

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Re: [wsjt-devel] Q65 false decode

2023-04-16 Thread K9RX via wsjt-devel 
Indeed it is off. But I found that having it on meant not getting AVG decodes 
when I was watching for Lance, W7GJ, do his thing testing out the contest mode. 
I had more decodes with it off than with it on. But I’ll change it. 

That does makes sense – since I hadn’t seen this before like this. 

Gary 



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From: Charles Suckling via wsjt-devel
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To: WSJT software development
Cc: Charles Suckling
Subject: Re: [wsjt-devel] Q65 false decode

Hi Gary

What setting do you have for Auto clear avg after decode ( under the decode 
tab)?

For normal operation this should be checked.  I suspect you have it unchecked, 
so that messages which are still in the accumulator appear as 'fresh' decodes.  
In such a case you can sometimes see decodes after the other station has 
stopped transmitting.

73

Charlie DL3WDG

On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 at 15:31, K9RX via wsjt-devel 
 wrote:
Hello all. 
 
I was running Q65-60A on 6M EME this morning. I am using version 2.6.0 b15b7. I 
have DEEP and ENA AVG turned on. I decoded the station I was calling every 
sequence. However twice WSJT decoded the “proper” signal (right doppler and 
seq) but then decoded, in the AVG window, a 2nd that was one sequence 
previously. Unfortunately I didn’t see that my TX then reverted back to the 
original and was not the follow on (proper one). 
 
This happened again the next sequence but I caught it that time. Unfortunately 
I do not normally have SAVE turned on so I don’t have the data file. 
 
I mentioned this as an FYI re false decodes. I don’t remember ever getting this 
before (this version). 
 
But I have a question: I have Q65-60A as a configuration and switch to it when 
doing EME. Can I set the SAVE as on for this config and will it then be off for 
the other configs I have built? 
 
Gary 
K9RX
 
You can see below at 1303 I got, at -24, his RX3. WSJT started to send TX4 at 
1304. Then it (almost) immediately decoded his TX1 and WSJT switched back to 
TX2. I did not catch this. The next sequence you can see this repeated at 1307. 
I have since turned on SAVE DECODED and finally you can see false (AVG) decodes 
at 1309 – 1317. He was not transmitting during these sequences. I can send tis 
file if that would help.
 
 
1302 Tx 1500 : W5WP K9RX -26
1303 -24 2.8 1442 : K9RX W5WP R-32  q3
1304 Tx 1500 : W5WP K9RX RRR
1303 -24 2.8 1447 : K9RX W5WP EM00  q35
1304 Tx 1500 : W5WP K9RX -24
1305 -19 2.8 1439 : K9RX W5WP R-32  q3
1306 Tx 1500 : W5WP K9RX RRR
1307 -24 2.8 1439 : K9RX W5WP RRR  q3
1308 Tx 1500 : W5WP K9RX 73
1307 -23 2.8 1441 : K9RX W5WP R-32  q37
1308 Tx 1500 : W5WP K9RX 73
1309 -24 2.8 1441 : K9RX W5WP R-32  q38
1311 -26 2.8 1441 : K9RX W5WP R-32  q39
1313 -28 2.8 1441 : K9RX W5WP R-32  q3*
1315 -29 2.8 1441 : K9RX W5WP R-32  q3*
1317 -31 2.8 1441 : K9RX W5WP R-32  q3*
1319 -32 2.8 1441 : K9RX W5WP R-32  q3*
 
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Re: [wsjt-devel] Q65 false decode

2023-04-16 Thread Charles Suckling via wsjt-devel 
Hi Gary

What setting do you have for Auto clear avg after decode ( under the decode
tab)?

For normal operation this should be checked.  I suspect you have it
unchecked, so that messages which are still in the accumulator appear as
'fresh' decodes.  In such a case you can sometimes see decodes after the
other station has stopped transmitting.

73

Charlie DL3WDG

On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 at 15:31, K9RX via wsjt-devel <
wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote:

> Hello all.
>
>
>
> I was running Q65-60A on 6M EME this morning. I am using version 2.6.0
> b15b7. I have DEEP and ENA AVG turned on. I decoded the station I was
> calling every sequence. However twice WSJT decoded the “proper” signal
> (right doppler and seq) but then decoded, in the AVG window, a 2nd that
> was one sequence previously. Unfortunately I didn’t see that my TX then
> reverted back to the original and was not the follow on (proper one).
>
>
>
> This happened again the next sequence but I caught it that time.
> Unfortunately I do not normally have SAVE turned on so I don’t have the
> data file.
>
>
>
> I mentioned this as an FYI re false decodes. I don’t remember ever getting
> this before (this version).
>
>
>
> But I have a question: I have Q65-60A as a configuration and switch to it
> when doing EME. Can I set the SAVE as on for this config and will it then
> be off for the other configs I have built?
>
>
>
> Gary
>
> K9RX
>
>
>
> You can see below at 1303 I got, at -24, his RX3. WSJT started to send TX4
> at 1304. Then it (almost) immediately decoded his TX1 and WSJT switched
> back to TX2. I did not catch this. The next sequence you can see this
> repeated at 1307. I have since turned on SAVE DECODED and finally you can
> see false (AVG) decodes at 1309 – 1317. He was not transmitting during
> these sequences. I can send tis file if that would help.
>
>
>
>
>
> *1302 Tx 1500 : W5WP K9RX -26*
>
> *1303 -24 2.8 1442 : K9RX W5WP R-32  q3*
>
> *1304 Tx 1500 : W5WP K9RX RRR*
>
> *1303 -24 2.8 1447 : K9RX W5WP EM00  q35*
>
> *1304 Tx 1500 : W5WP K9RX -24*
>
> *1305 -19 2.8 1439 : K9RX W5WP R-32  q3*
>
> *1306 Tx 1500 : W5WP K9RX RRR*
>
> *1307 -24 2.8 1439 : K9RX W5WP RRR  q3*
>
> *1308 Tx 1500 : W5WP K9RX 73*
>
> *1307 -23 2.8 1441 : K9RX W5WP R-32  q37*
>
> *1308 Tx 1500 : W5WP K9RX 73*
>
> *1309 -24 2.8 1441 : K9RX W5WP R-32  q38*
>
> *1311 -26 2.8 1441 : K9RX W5WP R-32  q39*
>
> *1313 -28 2.8 1441 : K9RX W5WP R-32  q3**
>
> *1315 -29 2.8 1441 : K9RX W5WP R-32  q3**
>
> *1317 -31 2.8 1441 : K9RX W5WP R-32  q3**
>
> *1319 -32 2.8 1441 : K9RX W5WP R-32  q3**
>
>
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Re: [wsjt-devel] Q65 false decode

2023-04-16 Thread Don Hawbaker via wsjt-devel 
I have noticed a similar problem.  Spurious decode.  Sometimes the old decode can even be from a previous contact.  Very strange.  Never did this before.  v2.6Sent from my iPadOn Apr 16, 2023, at 9:30 AM, K9RX via wsjt-devel  wrote:Hello all.  I was running Q65-60A on 6M EME this morning. I am using version 2.6.0 b15b7. I have DEEP and ENA AVG turned on. I decoded the station I was calling every sequence. However twice WSJT decoded the “proper” signal (right doppler and seq) but then decoded, in the AVG window, a 2nd that was one sequence previously. Unfortunately I didn’t see that my TX then reverted back to the original and was not the follow on (proper one).  This happened again the next sequence but I caught it that time. Unfortunately I do not normally have SAVE turned on so I don’t have the data file.  I mentioned this as an FYI re false decodes. I don’t remember ever getting this before (this version).  But I have a question: I have Q65-60A as a configuration and switch to it when doing EME. Can I set the SAVE as on for this config and will it then be off for the other configs I have built?  Gary K9RX You can see below at 1303 I got, at -24, his RX3. WSJT started to send TX4 at 1304. Then it (almost) immediately decoded his TX1 and WSJT switched back to TX2. I did not catch this. The next sequence you can see this repeated at 1307. I have since turned on SAVE DECODED and finally you can see false (AVG) decodes at 1309 – 1317. He was not transmitting during these sequences. I can send tis file if that would help.  1302 Tx 1500 : W5WP K9RX -261303 -24 2.8 1442 : K9RX W5WP R-32  q31304 Tx 1500 : W5WP K9RX RRR1303 -24 2.8 1447 : K9RX W5WP EM00  q351304 Tx 1500 : W5WP K9RX -241305 -19 2.8 1439 : K9RX W5WP R-32  q31306 Tx 1500 : W5WP K9RX RRR1307 -24 2.8 1439 : K9RX W5WP RRR  q31308 Tx 1500 : W5WP K9RX 731307 -23 2.8 1441 : K9RX W5WP R-32  q371308 Tx 1500 : W5WP K9RX 731309 -24 2.8 1441 : K9RX W5WP R-32  q381311 -26 2.8 1441 : K9RX W5WP R-32  q391313 -28 2.8 1441 : K9RX W5WP R-32  q3*1315 -29 2.8 1441 : K9RX W5WP R-32  q3*1317 -31 2.8 1441 : K9RX W5WP R-32  q3*1319 -32 2.8 1441 : K9RX W5WP R-32  q3* Sent from Mail for Windows ___wsjt-devel mailing listwsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.nethttps://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel___
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[wsjt-devel] Q65 false decode

2023-04-16 Thread K9RX via wsjt-devel 
Hello all. 

I was running Q65-60A on 6M EME this morning. I am using version 2.6.0 b15b7. I 
have DEEP and ENA AVG turned on. I decoded the station I was calling every 
sequence. However twice WSJT decoded the “proper” signal (right doppler and 
seq) but then decoded, in the AVG window, a 2nd that was one sequence 
previously. Unfortunately I didn’t see that my TX then reverted back to the 
original and was not the follow on (proper one). 

This happened again the next sequence but I caught it that time. Unfortunately 
I do not normally have SAVE turned on so I don’t have the data file. 

I mentioned this as an FYI re false decodes. I don’t remember ever getting this 
before (this version). 

But I have a question: I have Q65-60A as a configuration and switch to it when 
doing EME. Can I set the SAVE as on for this config and will it then be off for 
the other configs I have built? 

Gary 
K9RX

You can see below at 1303 I got, at -24, his RX3. WSJT started to send TX4 at 
1304. Then it (almost) immediately decoded his TX1 and WSJT switched back to 
TX2. I did not catch this. The next sequence you can see this repeated at 1307. 
I have since turned on SAVE DECODED and finally you can see false (AVG) decodes 
at 1309 – 1317. He was not transmitting during these sequences. I can send tis 
file if that would help.


1302 Tx 1500 : W5WP K9RX -26
1303 -24 2.8 1442 : K9RX W5WP R-32  q3
1304 Tx 1500 : W5WP K9RX RRR
1303 -24 2.8 1447 : K9RX W5WP EM00  q35
1304 Tx 1500 : W5WP K9RX -24
1305 -19 2.8 1439 : K9RX W5WP R-32  q3
1306 Tx 1500 : W5WP K9RX RRR
1307 -24 2.8 1439 : K9RX W5WP RRR  q3
1308 Tx 1500 : W5WP K9RX 73
1307 -23 2.8 1441 : K9RX W5WP R-32  q37
1308 Tx 1500 : W5WP K9RX 73
1309 -24 2.8 1441 : K9RX W5WP R-32  q38
1311 -26 2.8 1441 : K9RX W5WP R-32  q39
1313 -28 2.8 1441 : K9RX W5WP R-32  q3*
1315 -29 2.8 1441 : K9RX W5WP R-32  q3*
1317 -31 2.8 1441 : K9RX W5WP R-32  q3*
1319 -32 2.8 1441 : K9RX W5WP R-32  q3*

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