Re: PoC for a new Xubuntu release documents site

[Sean Davis]

I think this is a great idea and makes it easier for the community to 
also contribute.


On 1/27/24 05:40, Pasi Lallinaho wrote:

Hello,

there has been discussions going around replacing the Xubuntu wiki 
with something else.


In this spirit, I've set up a proof-of-conecpt Jekyll site to host 
Xubuntu release documents at:

http://ghp.knome.fi/

The code is viewable at
https://github.com/knomepasi/ghp.knome.fi

As I see it, this is the most major blocker for "simply nuking the 
wiki" as the release notes are still very much being linked to and 
used apart from most of the other content. Of course, in addition to 
the new release documents page (likely hosted in GitHub) we would need 
some rewrites to the new URLs, but this is a fairly small amount of work.


Let me know what you think.

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Re: Media request: Upcoming article highlighting Xubuntu

[Pasi Lallinaho]

Hello Cristian!

Thank you for contacting the Xubuntu team about a possible article on 
HostingAdvice.com and sorry for us taking so long to reply.


We of course do not have anything against articles written about 
Xubuntu! However, the situation is (and has been for some years now) 
relatively stale: no new big or exiting features are being added and 
there isn't anything to report on the leadership side either. If there 
was exiting news, they would very likely be changes/updates in Xfce.


That said, Xubuntu is still maintained to a reasonable extent: for 
example, as implied before, new Xfce pakcages are being brought to the 
Ubuntu repositories. Some other small tweaks and updates are being made 
now and then. This is all done by a small group of people (depending on 
how you count, somewhere between 1–5 people) who are all formerly very 
active Xubuntu team members.


I don't know if the above piques your interest and/or bears an 
interesting perspective to Xubuntu, but if it does or if you have other 
ideas for an article, we would be willing to hear more.


Additionally, if you need more information (including an interview) 
about the current state or the history of Xubuntu, please do not 
hesitate to ask.


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On 12.2.2024 17.43, Cristian Lopez wrote:

Hi Press Team,

I don't mean to pester you, but we're still interested in writing 
this. Let me know if you have any questions!


If you are ever interested in having an interview about Xubuntuor if 
you have any questions please just let me know. We are always excited 
to help spread the word about new or exciting products, company 
direction, and leadership changes.


Feel free to reach out at any time,

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Re: Re: Re: Media request: Upcoming article highlighting Xubuntu

[Cristian Lopez]

Hi Press Team,

I don't mean to pester you, but we're still interested in writing this. Let
me know if you have any questions!

If you are ever interested in having an interview about Xubuntu or if you
have any questions please just let me know. We are always excited to help
spread the word about new or exciting products, company direction, and
leadership changes.

Feel free to reach out at any time,



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Re: Re: Media request: Upcoming article highlighting Xubuntu

[Cristian Lopez]

Hi,

I just wanted to try again to see if your team would be interested in
participating in this news story?

Our feature articles are editorial in nature so there are no associated
fees and we also don't include affiliate offers or advertising. We just
like to highlight exciting products in the Tech Industry for our users.

Would you be willing to help with this or pass my message along through the
proper channels?

Best,



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Media request: Upcoming article highlighting Xubuntu

[Cristian Lopez]

Hi Press Team,

My team is writing a front-page article about Xubuntu on your easy to
navigate operating system, and how Xubuntu provides a smooth experience for
those looking to maximize their system performance, and we would love to
conduct an interview to provide some quotes and insights for our feature.

We'd also be interested in covering any new product updates, features, or
initiatives that you would be excited to get in front of our 23 million
users. This is a non-sponsored, non-affiliate, editorial-style article for
our news site.

Would a quotable source from your organization have 30 minutes some time
soon to hop on a call and provide more info for the story? Feel free to use
my Calendly link
 to grab
some time for us to meet.

If you have any questions or concerns please reach out at any time.

Best,



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Re: Media request: Upcoming article highlighting Xubuntu

[Cristian Lopez]

Hi,

I wanted to follow up on my earlier message about arranging an interview to
gather info and quotes for our planned article--what does your team's
schedule look like for a call in the coming days?

If you have any questions please let me know or you can schedule an
interview using Calendly
 to see my
available times.

Best,



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I just wiped my flash drive. For the website team - omission on the website.

[Greg]

Hi,

I just wiped my USB stick flashing the xubuntu ISO.

This could have been prevented by one additional sentence being present in the 
'Write to USB or SD' section of the documentation.

https://xubuntu.github.io/xubuntu-docs/user/C/installation.html#preparation

'Please be aware that the existing data on your flash drive (/USB stick) will 
be deleted upon flashing the ISO', or something along those lines, would be 
sufficient. Please could you edit your documentation to this effect.

Compare to the Windows download ISO webpage, in the 'Before you begin' section:

'A blank USB flash drive with at least 5 GB of space or blank DVD (and DVD 
burner) if you want to create media. We recommend using a blank USB or blank 
DVD, because any content on it will be deleted.'

https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/software-download/windows10iso

Generally speaking, Linux documentation is simply not noob-proof enough. This 
is not good enough.

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PoC for a new Xubuntu release documents site

[Pasi Lallinaho]

Hello,

there has been discussions going around replacing the Xubuntu wiki with 
something else.


In this spirit, I've set up a proof-of-conecpt Jekyll site to host 
Xubuntu release documents at:

http://ghp.knome.fi/

The code is viewable at
https://github.com/knomepasi/ghp.knome.fi

As I see it, this is the most major blocker for "simply nuking the wiki" 
as the release notes are still very much being linked to and used apart 
from most of the other content. Of course, in addition to the new 
release documents page (likely hosted in GitHub) we would need some 
rewrites to the new URLs, but this is a fairly small amount of work.


Let me know what you think.

Cheers,
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First Noble Numbat test rebuild

[Graham Inggs]

The first test rebuild of Noble Numbat was started on December 15,
2023 for all architectures, all components. The rebuild is finished
for all architectures for the main component and still running for
universe and multiverse on s390x and riscv64.

There were some buildd issues with s390x, but we hope they will catch up soon.

Results (please also look at the superseded builds) can be found at:

https://people.canonical.com/~ginggs/ftbfs-report/test-rebuild-20231215-noble-noble.html

Additional build failures for packages in noble-proposed (not yet in
noble) can be found at:

http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/ftbfs/

Please help with fixing the build failures.

Another test rebuild using a glibc snapshot from December 2023 can be found at:

https://people.canonical.com/~ginggs/ftbfs-report/test-rebuild-20231215-noble-glibc-noble.html

Still running for universe and multiverse on s390x and riscv64.  The
glibc snapshot can be found in:

https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-toolchain-r/+archive/ubuntu/glibc

Yet another test rebuild using GCC 14 can be found at:

https://people.canonical.com/~ginggs/ftbfs-report/test-rebuild-20231215-noble-gcc-noble.html

Still running for universe and multiverse on s390x and riscv64. This
is in preparation for GCC 14 for the 24.10 release.  GCC test packages
can be found in:

https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-toolchain-r/+archive/ubuntu/test

Happy New Year and bug fixing!
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First Mantic Minotaur test rebuild

[Graham Inggs]

The first test rebuild of Mantic Minotaur was started on August 30,
2023 for all architectures, all components. The rebuild is finished
for the main component on all architectures except riscv64, and still
running for universe and multiverse.

Results (please also look at the superseded builds) can be found at:

https://people.canonical.com/~ginggs/ftbfs-report/test-rebuild-20230830-mantic-mantic.html

Additional build failures for packages in mantic-proposed (not yet in
mantic) can be found at:

http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/ftbfs/

Please help with fixing the build failures.

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For the website team - Error on the website

[Valentin PORCHET]

Hello Xubuntu Team,

I noticed an issue on the Xubuntu download page (https://xubuntu.org/download/) 
: the link for downloading the 22.04 LTS version (64-bit systems) is wrong 
(22.04.2 instead of 22.04.3), here it is :

https://torrent.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/jammy/release/desktop/xubuntu-22.04.2-desktop-amd64.iso.torrent

The working one is this one : 
https://torrent.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/jammy/release/desktop/xubuntu-22.04.3-desktop-amd64.iso.torrent

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Second Lunar Lobster test rebuild

[Graham Inggs]

The second test rebuild of Lunar Lobster was started on March 24, 2023
for all architectures, all components. The rebuild is finished for the
main component on all architectures except riscv64, and still running
for universe/multiverse.

Results (please also look at the superseded builds) can be found at:

https://people.canonical.com/~ginggs/ftbfs-report/test-rebuild-20230324-lunar-lunar.html

Additional build failures for packages in lunar-proposed (not yet
migrated to lunar) can be found at:

http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/ftbfs/

Please help with fixing the build failures.

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For the website team - Error on the website

[Sara Bühner]

Hello,

the link on https://xubuntu.org/download/ for the torrent of 22.04 is
broken. It links to
https://torrent.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/jammy/release/desktop/xubuntu-22.04.1-desktop-amd64.iso.torrent
but I get an 404 error.

Thanks

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Today LTS upgraded my two Xubuntu 20.04 systems to 22.04, only one issue observed so far

[Michael Lueck]

Greetings Xubuntu Developers,

Today LTS upgraded my two Xubuntu 20.04 systems to 22.04. I only observed one 
issue:

After the upgrade and necessary IPL to end up on the 22.04 system, I now have 
three network top tray icons.

I compared with a VM installation of clean Xubuntu 22.04 the applets in the top 
panel. I removed one that was not present on the clean Xubuntu 22.04. However I 
still had three copies of the network icon.

What is the correct way to clear up the triplicate network applet issue?

<><><>

Also, note... I have pinned some back level Firefox packages from the UbuntuZilla repository. The upgrade refused to start until I commented out the UbuntuZilla repo. Sort of odd... since the LTS 
upgrade itself disabled third party repos. There was no explanation of why the upgrade would not begin... just "poof" the upgrade window disappeared. I tried the upgrade several times. Then I 
commented out the UbuntuZilla repo, and the upgrade began. Sort of would be very helpful to pop a information box that the upgrade refuses due to software held back to older versions of the packages.


Excellent work, Xubuntu team!

I am thankful,

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Re: Community flavors and new images

[Robie Basak]

On Tue, Jan 10, 2023 at 09:17:29AM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote:
> Where would you all like this documented? 
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecognizedFlavors/AddingNew or
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecognizedFlavors/NewFlavorProcess ?

I'd like to keep NewFlavorProcess minimal to keep things simple for
prospective flavours, so I went ahead and documented this in AddingNew
which I see more as internal documentation for the release team.

But it's a wiki, so everyone should feel free to adjust as they think
appropriate :-)

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Re: Community flavors and new images

[Robie Basak]

My thinking is along the same lines. I'd like to avoid tying up things
in bureaucracy, so I think it's fine to leave it to the Release Team to
decide if it's obviously and uncontroversially aligned, or if they are
unsure if the Technical Board would agree and therefore need to refer
it.

I'd like for these decisions to be documented though. Maybe we could ask
that the technical-board@ list be copied in with an description of the
goals of the new image and the Release Team's decision on it? That way,
we can ensure that we all stay aligned, and minimise pain if we're not.

> flavour process (the one in the works), I think we still need to make
> sure we assess the type of the image that the given flavor is adding
> and make sure that it's still in-line with the flavor that the TB
> approved. The TB is responsible for making sure that the flavour, and
> its images, are in line with the goals of the Ubuntu project. I don't
> think it's needed to reaffirm this in every case when a new image is
> to be added, but the release team needs to make sure to cycle back to
> the TB in case there's doubts that this is still the case.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> On Sun, 8 Jan 2023 at 07:27, Steve Langasek  wrote:
> >
> > Hi folks,
> >
> > In light of the recent activity on clarifying policies and procedures for
> > new flavors, I thought it was appropriate to bring this question to the TB
> > for review.
> >
> > The Xubuntu team are proposing to have a new official Xubuntu image called
> > Xubuntu Minimal (né Core) and have raised MPs to get it landed on the
> > centralized build infrastructure
> > (https://code.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/debian-cd/+git/debian-cd/+merge/435314
> > et al).
> >
> > In the past, flavors (including Ubuntu) have introduced new images without
> > requiring additional TB approval; e.g., Kubuntu Active, Lubuntu Next, and
> > the Ubuntu Desktop canary image.  These were all handled directly through
> > the Release Team.
> >
> > I think this makes sense, because there are no governance questions here; if
> > there is already a flavor team responsible for one image, we just need to
> > make sure they're taking responsibility for 2, with the existing team, seed
> > structure, etc.
> >
> > Do you agree?
> >
> > Thanks,
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Re: Community flavors and new images

[Steve Langasek]

On Tue, Jan 10, 2023 at 09:13:02PM +1000, Alex Murray wrote:
> On Tue, 2023-01-10 at 10:29:03 +, Robie Basak wrote:

> > My thinking is along the same lines. I'd like to avoid tying up things
> > in bureaucracy, so I think it's fine to leave it to the Release Team to
> > decide if it's obviously and uncontroversially aligned, or if they are
> > unsure if the Technical Board would agree and therefore need to refer
> > it.

> > I'd like for these decisions to be documented though. Maybe we could ask
> > that the technical-board@ list be copied in with an description of the
> > goals of the new image and the Release Team's decision on it? That way,
> > we can ensure that we all stay aligned, and minimise pain if we're
> > not.

> I think this makes a lot of sense - if it is up to the discretion of the
> Release Team to refer to the TB then there could be cases that get
> missed which would have been beneficial for the TB to be aware of but
> for whatever it was not deemed necessary to notify the TB. So instead if
> the policy is that the TB is always kept-in-the-loop regardless there
> should be less chance of something being missed.

> Also given that new images are a pretty rare occurrence, this shouldn't
> be too onerous on either team as a result.

Thanks, this sounds like a reasonable process that we have consensus about.

Where would you all like this documented? 
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecognizedFlavors/AddingNew or
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecognizedFlavors/NewFlavorProcess ?

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Re: Community flavors and new images

[Alex Murray]

On Tue, 2023-01-10 at 10:29:03 +, Robie Basak wrote:

> My thinking is along the same lines. I'd like to avoid tying up things
> in bureaucracy, so I think it's fine to leave it to the Release Team to
> decide if it's obviously and uncontroversially aligned, or if they are
> unsure if the Technical Board would agree and therefore need to refer
> it.
>
> I'd like for these decisions to be documented though. Maybe we could ask
> that the technical-board@ list be copied in with an description of the
> goals of the new image and the Release Team's decision on it? That way,
> we can ensure that we all stay aligned, and minimise pain if we're
> not.

I think this makes a lot of sense - if it is up to the discretion of the
Release Team to refer to the TB then there could be cases that get
missed which would have been beneficial for the TB to be aware of but
for whatever it was not deemed necessary to notify the TB. So instead if
the policy is that the TB is always kept-in-the-loop regardless there
should be less chance of something being missed.

Also given that new images are a pretty rare occurrence, this shouldn't
be too onerous on either team as a result.

>
>> flavour process (the one in the works), I think we still need to make
>> sure we assess the type of the image that the given flavor is adding
>> and make sure that it's still in-line with the flavor that the TB
>> approved. The TB is responsible for making sure that the flavour, and
>> its images, are in line with the goals of the Ubuntu project. I don't
>> think it's needed to reaffirm this in every case when a new image is
>> to be added, but the release team needs to make sure to cycle back to
>> the TB in case there's doubts that this is still the case.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> On Sun, 8 Jan 2023 at 07:27, Steve Langasek  
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi folks,
>> >
>> > In light of the recent activity on clarifying policies and procedures for
>> > new flavors, I thought it was appropriate to bring this question to the TB
>> > for review.
>> >
>> > The Xubuntu team are proposing to have a new official Xubuntu image called
>> > Xubuntu Minimal (né Core) and have raised MPs to get it landed on the
>> > centralized build infrastructure
>> > (https://code.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/debian-cd/+git/debian-cd/+merge/435314
>> > et al).
>> >
>> > In the past, flavors (including Ubuntu) have introduced new images without
>> > requiring additional TB approval; e.g., Kubuntu Active, Lubuntu Next, and
>> > the Ubuntu Desktop canary image.  These were all handled directly through
>> > the Release Team.
>> >
>> > I think this makes sense, because there are no governance questions here; 
>> > if
>> > there is already a flavor team responsible for one image, we just need to
>> > make sure they're taking responsibility for 2, with the existing team, seed
>> > structure, etc.
>> >
>> > Do you agree?
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > --
>> > Steve Langasek   Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS
>> > Debian Developer   to set it on, and I can move the world.
>> > Ubuntu Developer   https://www.debian.org/
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>> > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/technical-board
>> 
>> 
>> 
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New image for existing flavor: Xubuntu Minimal

[Steve Langasek]

Dear TB,

On behalf of the Release Team, I'm writing to (officially) inform you that
the Xubuntu Team will be releasing a new official image starting with Ubuntu
23.04, Xubuntu Minimal, in addition to Xubuntu Desktop.

This parallels existing minimal install targets from the Ubuntu Desktop and
Ubuntu Server images to provide a smaller install footprint without
applications that the developers want installed as part of the default
experience, but which are not essential.  Unlike the Ubuntu Desktop and
Ubuntu Server, it is delivered as a separate image to additionally support
smaller install media (specifically, it is targeted to fit on a classic
CD-ROM).

Particularly as this is a smaller image, I do not anticipate any impact on
existing infrastructure capacity.

Merge proposals for setting up this new image are:

  
https://code.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/ubuntu-cdimage/+git/ubuntu-cdimage/+merge/435316
  https://code.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/debian-cd/+git/debian-cd/+merge/435314

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Re: Community flavors and new images

[Lukasz Zemczak]

Hey Steve,

From my side, I think what you're proposing is sane so I'd be +1 on
leaving it up to the release team's decision. But looking at the new
flavour process (the one in the works), I think we still need to make
sure we assess the type of the image that the given flavor is adding
and make sure that it's still in-line with the flavor that the TB
approved. The TB is responsible for making sure that the flavour, and
its images, are in line with the goals of the Ubuntu project. I don't
think it's needed to reaffirm this in every case when a new image is
to be added, but the release team needs to make sure to cycle back to
the TB in case there's doubts that this is still the case.

Cheers,

On Sun, 8 Jan 2023 at 07:27, Steve Langasek  wrote:
>
> Hi folks,
>
> In light of the recent activity on clarifying policies and procedures for
> new flavors, I thought it was appropriate to bring this question to the TB
> for review.
>
> The Xubuntu team are proposing to have a new official Xubuntu image called
> Xubuntu Minimal (né Core) and have raised MPs to get it landed on the
> centralized build infrastructure
> (https://code.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/debian-cd/+git/debian-cd/+merge/435314
> et al).
>
> In the past, flavors (including Ubuntu) have introduced new images without
> requiring additional TB approval; e.g., Kubuntu Active, Lubuntu Next, and
> the Ubuntu Desktop canary image.  These were all handled directly through
> the Release Team.
>
> I think this makes sense, because there are no governance questions here; if
> there is already a flavor team responsible for one image, we just need to
> make sure they're taking responsibility for 2, with the existing team, seed
> structure, etc.
>
> Do you agree?
>
> Thanks,
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Community flavors and new images

[Steve Langasek]

Hi folks,

In light of the recent activity on clarifying policies and procedures for
new flavors, I thought it was appropriate to bring this question to the TB
for review.

The Xubuntu team are proposing to have a new official Xubuntu image called
Xubuntu Minimal (né Core) and have raised MPs to get it landed on the
centralized build infrastructure
(https://code.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/debian-cd/+git/debian-cd/+merge/435314
et al).

In the past, flavors (including Ubuntu) have introduced new images without
requiring additional TB approval; e.g., Kubuntu Active, Lubuntu Next, and
the Ubuntu Desktop canary image.  These were all handled directly through
the Release Team.

I think this makes sense, because there are no governance questions here; if
there is already a flavor team responsible for one image, we just need to
make sure they're taking responsibility for 2, with the existing team, seed
structure, etc.

Do you agree?

Thanks,
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First Lunar Lobster test rebuild

[Graham Inggs]

The first test rebuild of Lunar Lobster was started on December 15,
2022 for all architectures, all components. The rebuild is finished
for all architectures for the main component and still running for
universe and multiverse on riscv64.

Thanks to everybody keeping the buildds going during the end-of-year break.

Results (please also look at the superseded builds) can be found at
https://people.canonical.com/~ginggs/ftbfs-report/test-rebuild-20221215-lunar-normal-lunar.html

Additional build failures for packages in lunar-proposed (not yet in
lunar) can be found at
http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/ftbfs/

Please help with fixing the build failures.

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German linux developers wanted

[Newbasic]

are there any german developers out there?

Is anyone of the german linux developers interested in building a german
mailinglist to share knowledge and skills to optimize our favourite
operating system?

Greetings

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Second Kinetic Kudu test rebuild

[Graham Inggs]

The second test rebuild of Kinetic Kudu was started on September 14,
2022 for all architectures, all components. The rebuild is finished
for the main component on all architectures, finished for
universe/multiverse on amd64, i386 and ppc64el, and still running on
the other architectures.

Results (please also look at the superseded builds) can be found at

https://people.canonical.com/~ginggs/ftbfs-report/test-rebuild-20220914-kinetic-kinetic.html

Additional build failures for packages in kinetic-proposed (not yet
migrated to kinetic) can be found at

http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/ftbfs/

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For the website team - Error on the website - busted focal torrent link

[Rich McAllister]

on https://xubuntu.org/download/   the 20.04/focal torrent link still
points to 
https://torrent.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/focal/release/desktop/xubuntu-20.04.4-desktop-amd64.iso.torrent
which no longer exists.  Needs to be updated to
https://torrent.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/focal/release/desktop/xubuntu-20.04.5-desktop-amd64.iso.torrent

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Guys the torrent download link on the website is wrong

[Nick]

I modified it manually to get it to work by just adding .1 , as I assumed
you had bumped the release.

It should be:
https://torrent.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/jammy/release/desktop/xubuntu-22.04.1-desktop-amd64.iso.torrent

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First Kinetic Kudu test rebuild

[Graham Inggs]

The first test rebuild of Kinetic Kudu was started on June 17, 2022
for all architectures, all components. The rebuild is finished for all
architectures for the main component and still running for universe
and multiverse.

Results (please also look at the superseded builds) can be found at

https://people.canonical.com/~ginggs/ftbfs-report/test-rebuild-20220617-kinetic-kinetic.html

Additional build failures for packages in kinetic-proposed (not yet in
kinetic) can be found at

http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/ftbfs/

Another test rebuild using GCC 12 can be found at

https://people.canonical.com/~ginggs/ftbfs-report/test-rebuild-20220617-kinetic-gcc12-kinetic.html

Still running for universe and multiverse.  This is in preparation for
GCC 12 becoming the default later this cycle.

Please help fixing the build failures.

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Re: Web site defacement

[Marvin Meysel]

I can confirm it is showing the very same what Daniel can see on the page.
But after a reload the page displays correctly

--Marvin

Daniel Richard G.  schrieb am Di., 12. Apr. 2022, 13:02:

> As of this writing, on https://xubuntu.org/contribute/qa/, I see
>
> 12Hacked By ./LahBodoAmat
>
> Error establishing a database connection
>
>
> --Daniel
>
>
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> My ASCII-art .sig got a bad case of Times New Roman.
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Web site defacement

[Daniel Richard G.]

As of this writing, on https://xubuntu.org/contribute/qa/, I see

12Hacked By ./LahBodoAmat

Error establishing a database connection


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For the website team - Error on the website

[Martin Hing]

Concern with 22.04 url

https://xubuntu.org/release/22-04/

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Re: Second Jammy Jellyfish test rebuild

[Christian Ehrhardt]

On Fri, Mar 25, 2022 at 3:24 PM Graham Inggs  wrote:
>
> The latest report, dated 2022-03-25 14:05:01 UTC, no longer has broken
> links to build logs that do not exist.  Instead, '!Log' is shown for
> these.

Hi Graham,
we've resolved all of our issues by now.
I do not know if you need to get your list trimmed down, after all
that will need you to build things again and sometimes resources are
scarce.
So this is an FYI for you if you want/need to trim the list via
rebuilds/refreshes/deletions-form-your-ppa.

We initially had more and fixed a few, but the currently remaining
list holds 5 entries left for the server team:

- Dns-root-data is actually an issue in ldns fixed in jammy-proposed
by ldns https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ldns/1.7.1-2ubuntu4
  You could consider a rebuild against proposed to get this one green.

- postgresql-14 was broken by llvm-14, a fix is uploaded to jammy and
built fine (https://launchpad.net/bugs/1966319)
  You can rebuild the very same, or if you have a less-overhead way to
do it just consider this one as done.

- python-tempita was broken by python-3.10, not yet fixed but we know a way
  - Note it’s an openstack package - not server anymore, but we wanted
to fix it anyway.
  - https://launchpad.net/bugs/1966323
  - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-tempita/+bug/1966532
  - 
https://code.launchpad.net/~ahasenack/ubuntu/+source/python-tempita/+git/python-tempita/+merge/417740

- samba shows to build fine in the latter 0ubuntu4
  - https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/samba/2:4.15.5~dfsg-0ubuntu4
  - consider to remove or rebuild it yourself to pick it up

- Mysql is one of the !log cases
  - we didn't want to trigger a rebuild on our side just to ask you to
do one again (wasted time)
  - instead could you please just rebuild that in your ppa as it
should actually be good already

I know I said 5, but as a bonus:

- Ruby-rexml is fixed for a few days already before the report was sent.
  Please consider rebuilding all orange ruby* packages (reference LP: #1966201).


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Re: Second Jammy Jellyfish test rebuild

[Graham Inggs]

Hi Christian

On Tue, 29 Mar 2022 at 08:19, Christian Ehrhardt
 wrote:
> - Dns-root-data is actually an issue in ldns fixed in jammy-proposed
ldns migrated, so I retried dns-root-data

> - postgresql-14 was broken by llvm-14, a fix is uploaded to jammy and
> built fine (https://launchpad.net/bugs/1966319)
llvm-toolchain-14 migrated, so I retried postgresql-14

> - python-tempita was broken by python-3.10, not yet fixed but we know a way
not doing anything here yet

> - samba shows to build fine in the latter 0ubuntu4
samba should move to the superseded section once it migrates

> - Mysql is one of the !log cases
this seems to have been cleared by my previous retries

> - Ruby-rexml is fixed for a few days already before the report was sent.
>   Please consider rebuilding all orange ruby* packages (reference LP: 
> #1966201).
retrying...

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Re: Second Jammy Jellyfish test rebuild

[Andreas Hasenack]

On Tue, Mar 29, 2022 at 8:02 AM Graham Inggs  wrote:
>
> Hi Christian
>
> On Tue, 29 Mar 2022 at 08:19, Christian Ehrhardt
>  wrote:
> > - Dns-root-data is actually an issue in ldns fixed in jammy-proposed
> ldns migrated, so I retried dns-root-data
>
> > - postgresql-14 was broken by llvm-14, a fix is uploaded to jammy and
> > built fine (https://launchpad.net/bugs/1966319)
> llvm-toolchain-14 migrated, so I retried postgresql-14

https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/postgresql-14/14.2-1ubuntu1 in
proposed fixes the FTBFS with llvm 14.

>
> > - python-tempita was broken by python-3.10, not yet fixed but we know a way
> not doing anything here yet

https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-tempita/0.5.2-6ubuntu1 is
in proposed and fixes the FTBFS (and enables tests, that were not
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Re: Second Jammy Jellyfish test rebuild

[Colin Watson]

On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 07:44:11AM -0700, Erich Eickmeyer wrote:
> I'm seeing a lot of failed arm64 builds without build logs. In the
> past when I've seen this, I've merely retried the build and it has
> succeeded. This shows a pattern in that it's likely we've got a buggy
> build server.

Yeah, this has been reported to us (Launchpad), but for the record we
have no handle on a fix at present.  The basic symptom is that
buildd-manager timed out trying to poll the builder (probably over
several attempts).  This is either because the builder crashed or hung
or something like that (possible under load, and sometimes particular
builds will repeatedly OOM a builder or similar), or because of a
network failure that meant we lost contact for too long, or because of a
buildd-manager bug.  Unfortunately it's extremely difficult even for us
to tell which at present.  Ubuntu test rebuilds tend to exacerbate this
sort of thing, because the whole system is under significantly more load
than usual.

It's something that we'll keep trying to debug, but it's not as simple
as a single buggy build machine, and so I want to set expectations that
this may not be something we can fix quickly.

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Re: Second Jammy Jellyfish test rebuild

[Erich Eickmeyer]

On Thursday, March 24, 2022 6:05:06 AM PDT Graham Inggs wrote:
> The second test rebuild of Jammy Jellyfish was started on March 17,
> 2022 for all architectures, all components. The rebuild is finished
> for the main component, and finished for universe/multiverse on amd64
> and i386, and still running on the other architectures.
> 
> Results (please also look at the superseded builds) can be found at
> 
> https://people.canonical.com/~ginggs/ftbfs-report/test-rebuild-20220317-jamm
> y-jammy.html
> 
> A number of builds failed without logs, and these will be retried.
> 
> Additional build failures for packages in jammy-proposed (not yet
> migrated to jammy) can be found at
> 
> http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/ftbfs/
> 
> Please help fixing the build failures.
> 
> Graham

I'm seeing a lot of failed arm64 builds without build logs. In the past when 
I've seen this, I've merely retried the build and it has succeeded. This shows 
a pattern in that it's likely we've got a buggy build server.

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Re: Second Jammy Jellyfish test rebuild

[Graham Inggs]

The latest report, dated 2022-03-25 14:05:01 UTC, no longer has broken
links to build logs that do not exist.  Instead, '!Log' is shown for
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Second Jammy Jellyfish test rebuild

[Graham Inggs]

The second test rebuild of Jammy Jellyfish was started on March 17,
2022 for all architectures, all components. The rebuild is finished
for the main component, and finished for universe/multiverse on amd64
and i386, and still running on the other architectures.

Results (please also look at the superseded builds) can be found at

https://people.canonical.com/~ginggs/ftbfs-report/test-rebuild-20220317-jammy-jammy.html

A number of builds failed without logs, and these will be retried.

Additional build failures for packages in jammy-proposed (not yet
migrated to jammy) can be found at

http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/ftbfs/

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For the website team - Error on the website

[Apurv Jyotirmay]

Hi,

I've found this rogue "12" on top-left corner on the homepage.

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For the website team -error on the website

[Paul Nürnberger]

Hello,

at https://xubuntu.org/download/ the wrong torrent for the LTS release 
is linked.


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Failing to be able to boot from a system built with daily 22.04 from 2022-02-26

[Michael Lueck]

Greetings Xubuntu developers,

I had not pulled a daily ISO since 2021-12-20. I applied about a month or so worth of updates all at once via Synaptic. I ended up loosing Nvidia display, it stalled, so I ended up having to force 
packages to finish applying once I could get video back via: sudo dpkg --configure -a


Also I needed to switch to a non Debian / Ubuntu based distro on the test machine to prove out if an unrelated defect was coming from Debian / Ubuntu origins only. I needed to stick with something 
Xfce desktop based, so I selected Manjaro manjaro-xfce-21.2.2-220123-linux515.iso  I had to install that several times in order to get it to boot from the hard disk. I finally had to have it do its 
own partitioning... not manually re-using the partitions Xubuntu had created.


Coming back to yesterday's daily Xubuntu 22.04 ISO, I still cannot get the 
system to boot from the hard drive.

I have the motherboard set to EFI boot mode.

I have wiped the partitions again, this time with the Xubuntu daily DVD. As a 
first partition I create a 500 MB EFI partition. The rest of the drive I want 
as a XFS formatted / (root) partition.

The load finishes, the installer ejects the DVD, it still does NOT display the text to press any key to restart the system (defect reported earlier by me), and then the system goes through the BIOS, 
lands at a black screen with blinking cursor, forever.


I booted back off the Xubuntu installer DVD. I inspected the partitions with Gparted. That raised an error that it wanted the mtools p[package added to be able to interrogate the EFI partition 
properly. I exited GParted, added that via apt-get, restarted GParted, no more error. (Note to add that to the package configuration of the LiveCD mode.)


The Xubuntu installer marked the EFI first partition only with flag msftdata. I added the flag boot, which also automatically added the esp flag, and removed the msftdata flag. I exited the LiveCD 
mode. The system still refuses to boot from the hard disk... after BIOS POST, just a blinking cursor in the top left corner on a black screen.


Any suggestions, please?

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Sadly this defect is still present in current nightly 22.04 [Bug 1834203] Copying small files over CIFS doesn't close its window

[Michael Lueck]

Greetings team,

I got to retesting this known defect this evening in the current nightly beta:

[Bug 1834203] Copying small files over CIFS doesn't close its window
https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1834203

Same defect as with Xubuntu 20.04

Definitely not an issue back on Xubuntu 16.04

Any suggestions how to get some traction to resolve the defect? Please kindly 
advise.

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Xubuntu daily 20211220 went very smoothly, feedback to the team

[Michael Lueck]

Greetings Xubuntu team,

Xubuntu daily 20211220 went very smoothly.

The only odd thing I encountered during the installation was: At the end of the installation, the message about ejecting the DVD was a bit odd... showed "failed" as the status, but the CD drive did 
open as expected. I never saw the "Press any key to reboot the system" message... however pressing the space bar key did restart as expected.


About the default theme settings: As usual with the Xununtu defaults, I have a very hard time getting the corner of the window clicked to be able to resize in both directions at the same time. I 
prefer to use the following adjustments, to achieve a much easier window resize result:


Appearance Style: Adwaita
Appearance Icons: elementary Xfce darker
Window Manager Style Theme: Moheli

With these settings, I find it MUCH easier to grab the corners of windows.

I will continue testing.

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For the website team - Error on the website

[Gediminas C]

Hello,
Please check out one of the UK mirrors (Kent IIRC). Xubuntu 20.04 64 .iso
file (first in the raw) is corrupt. The very same name from German mirror
worked flawles with the same usb stick and on the same laptop. The file
from UK shows many errors in the initial check before boot, but
nethertheless lets boot and choose install option. But thats it- install
never ends.

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[VOTE] Seeding new themes

[Yousuf Philips]

Hi Team,

The voting for arc theme weren't completed in a previous email[1], so let's
try to finalize it. So far we have two +1 (bluesabre, me) and +0 (kryten).

In addition to arc, the yaru theme recently obtained xfce support[2], so we
also need to vote on this.

[1] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2021-July/012109.html
[2] https://news.itsfoss.com/yaru-xfce-support/

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Next community meeting is Thursday, November 11 at 22:00 UTC

[Sean Davis]

Hello everyone,

Many thanks to the team for helping me schedule our next community meeting. Our 
next meeting will be held on Thursday, November 11 at 22:00 UTC (17:00 EST)[1]. 
That's two days from now. We welcome all to join!

Current agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings

The meeting will be held on the #xubuntu-devel channel on Libera.chat. I look 
forward to seeing all of you there!

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Re: [TEAM] Scheduling the next community meeting

[Sean Davis]

Hello again Xubuntu Team! Please visit the poll linked in my previous email and 
select any times you have available to meet. So far, only knome has signed up.

Thanks!

On Thu, Nov 4, 2021, at 9:02 PM, Sean Davis wrote:
> Hello Xubuntu Team!
> 
> I'd like to schedule our first community meeting for the Jammy Jellyfish 
> cycle for sometime next week. I've created a Doodle poll below. Please vote 
> on any times that you might be able to join in. If these times don't work for 
> the team, we can schedule something for the following week instead.
> 
> https://doodle.com/poll/yufbf2diivabxvfu?utm_source=poll_medium=link
> 
> Please only vote on the Doodle poll if you're in the Xubuntu team or one of 
> the subteams.
> 
> Looking forward to chatting!
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[TEAM] Scheduling the next community meeting

[Sean Davis]

Hello Xubuntu Team!

I'd like to schedule our first community meeting for the Jammy Jellyfish cycle 
for sometime next week. I've created a Doodle poll below. Please vote on any 
times that you might be able to join in. If these times don't work for the 
team, we can schedule something for the following week instead.

https://doodle.com/poll/yufbf2diivabxvfu?utm_source=poll_medium=link

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22.04 Xubuntu Schedule

[Sean Davis]

Hello everyone!

Congratulations on making it to another LTS! It's been a long road and I think 
we're starting from a really good place. I'd like to propose a schedule for 
this cycle so we have a bit of structure and make sure that we end the cycle 
with a top-notch release. I've drafted the schedule here:

https://wiki.xubuntu.org/releases/22.04/schedule

Some key milestones I've included are:
 * Wallpaper contest
 * Finalizing our updated documentation
 * Getting back into a semi-regular schedule of community meetings
 * Participating in the Ubuntu Testing Weeks
If you have any other suggestions or want to hash things out, let me know. 
Let's all get together this cycle and make something really awesome.

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Second Impish Indri test rebuild

[Graham Inggs]

The second test rebuild of Impish Indri was started on September 27
2021 for all architectures, all components. The rebuild is finished
for the main component, it's still running for the other components.

Results (please also look at the superseded builds) can be found at

https://people.canonical.com/~ginggs/ftbfs-report/test-rebuild-20210927-impish-impish.html

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Issues with how Xubuntu 20.04.2 deals with vendor binary drivers - nvidia and VirtualBox

[Michael Lueck]

Greetings,

I have run into issues with how Xubuntu 20.04.2 deals with vendor binary 
drivers - nvidia and VirtualBox.

When installing Xubuntu 20.04.2, I check the box to have the installer add additional software / proprietary drivers. I believe for version 20.04.2 that ends up automatically installing the nvidia-465 
drivers.


Installation completes, then I yank the LAN cord so that it does not start 
automatically applying updates once I IPL the system.

I log in, then go to Settings \ Software and Updates, to make the following 
changes:
Updates tab:
For other packages, subscribe to: All Updates
Automatically check for updates: Daily
When there are security updates: Display immediately
When there are other updates:  Display immediately
Notify me of new Ubuntu version: For long-term support versions

Then I apply, close the window, plug the LAN cord back in.

Next I install the language pack it offers.

Once that is done I install synaptic.
sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get install synaptic

Then I start Synaptic
Refresh the package list in there
Select all updates
Mark all Mozilla Thunderbird packages for purge
Download and apply the rest of the updates

IPL

Then I set to purging off the prior kernel. First just with the one grep to 
find the old version, then with both greps to filter for just the packages I 
need to purge off.

dpkg -l | grep linux- | grep "5.8"

Now the tangle

Like I said, I am fairly confident that I recall the version correctly... Xubuntu 20.04.2 installs nvidia-465 drivers for the Nvidia boards / chips in my machines. Somewhere along the way, nvidia-465 
drivers were retired and replaced with nvidia-470 drivers. This transition makes a horrid mess of my systems!


Going to the Settings \ Additional Drivers, it states that an unrecognized version of the video drivers are installed, and it will not mess with what is installed. All nvidia driver options are greyed 
out.


So I need to purge off everything nvidia related. Then IPL. Thus...

dpkg -l | grep nvidia

sudo dpkg -P linux-headers-5.8.0-41-generic linux-hwe-5.8-headers-5.8.0-41 linux-image-5.8.0-41-generic linux-modules-5.8.0-41-generic linux-modules-extra-5.8.0-41-generic libnvidia-cfg1-470:amd64 
libnvidia-common-470 libnvidia-compute-470:amd64 libnvidia-decode-470:amd64  libnvidia-encode-470:amd64  libnvidia-extra-470:amd64 libnvidia-fbc1-470:amd64 libnvidia-gl-470:amd64 
libnvidia-ifr1-470:amd64 linux-modules-nvidia-470-5.11.0-36-generic linux-modules-nvidia-470-generic-hwe-20.04 linux-objects-nvidia-470-5.11.0-36-generic linux-signatures-nvidia-5.11.0-36-generic 
nvidia-compute-utils-470  nvidia-kernel-common-470 nvidia-kernel-source-470 nvidia-prime nvidia-settings nvidia-utils-470 screen-resolution-extra xserver-xorg-video-nvidia-470


Once that is done, I may go back into Settings \ Additional Drivers, select to install 
the "nvidia-driver-470 (proprietary, tested)" drivers, IPL again.

Now returning to Settings \ Additional Drivers shows said drivers are the ones 
that applet thinks are active.

Also with VirtualBox 6.1 PUEL, with the various kernel and/or nvidia updates, I have needed to purge off, IPL, and reinstall VirtualBox 6.1 MANY times. After either kernel or nvidia binary package 
updates, VirtualBox will not be able to start VM sessions.


So I am concluding that Xubuntu and binary drivers are not playing nice together. PLEASE... get that working better for Xubuntu 22.04 LTS. This is not friendly... I still hope to be overseeing 
thousands of Xubuntu machines. This would be a nightmare in such a scale!


I inquired about the problems on this thread:

"20.04.2 system upgraded working Nvidia drivers 465 to 470 that get package 
errors"
https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2465399

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Re: Could net-tools and synaptic be added to the default install?

[Yousuf Philips]

Synaptic was introduced by default in 21.04.

Regards,
Yousuf


On Thu, Sep 23, 2021 at 2:38 PM Michael Lueck 
wrote:

> Greetings Emery,
>
> Emery Fletcher wrote:
> > Synaptic is already in there.
>
>
> My loads of Xubuntu 20.04.2 do not include it... ???
>
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Re: Could net-tools and synaptic be added to the default install?

[Michael Lueck]

Greetings Emery,

Emery Fletcher wrote:

Synaptic is already in there.



My loads of Xubuntu 20.04.2 do not include it... ???

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Re: Could net-tools and synaptic be added to the default install?

[Emery Fletcher]

Synaptic is already in there.

On 9/22/21, Michael Lueck  wrote:
> Greetings,
>
> Could net-tools and synaptic be added to the default install? I add them to
> every installation. What do others think?
>
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Could net-tools and synaptic be added to the default install?

[Michael Lueck]

Greetings,

Could net-tools and synaptic be added to the default install? I add them to 
every installation. What do others think?

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For the website team - Error on the website

[Aleks Ozolins]

Hello!

Just wanted to let you all know I'm getting a 404 trying to get the torrent for 
20.04.

Clicking the download (64-bit systems) from here: https://xubuntu.org/download
It's attempting to get this, but the file downloaded is a 404 error. 
https://torrent.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/focal/release/desktop/xubuntu-20.04.2.0-desktop-amd64.iso.torrent



404 Not Found

Not Found
The requested URL was not found on this server.

Apache/2.4.18 (Ubuntu) Server at torrent.ubuntu.com Port 443
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Website error -- Xubuntu LTS 20.04 torrent link broken -- points to older, non-existent .torrent file for 20.04.2 instead of 20.04.3

[richardhardt]

Hi.

Noticed the torrent link for Xubuntu 20.04 LTS is no longer working.  
Looks like Xubuntu's LTS version recently changed to 20.04.3 and 
Xubuntu.org's download link still points to the older 20.04.2 torrent -- 
which no longer exists.


_Main page with broken 20.04 LTS torrent download link I'm referring to._
*https://xubuntu.org/download*

_The broken 20.04 LTS torrent download link on that page points to this.__
_*https://torrent.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/focal/release/desktop/xubuntu-20.04.2.0-desktop-amd64.iso.torrent**
*
_It should point to this.__
_*https://torrent.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/focal/release/desktop/xubuntu-20.04.3-desktop-amd64.iso.torrent**
*
-



-

If someone will update the 64-bit torrent download link on that download 
page to reflect the new 20.04.3 torrent file on the backend download 
server, should fix it up.


Sincerely,

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For the website team - Error on the website

[Yuri]

Hi, there's invalid link on the downloads page (torrent 64 bit) https://torrent.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/focal/release/desktop/xubuntu-20.04.2.0-desktop-amd64.iso.torrent should be https://torrent.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/focal/release/desktop/xubuntu-20.04.3-desktop-amd64.iso.torrent 

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Re: Question / Idea of using Xubuntu on a notebook computer

[notebook]

Hi

I had a similar problem a couple of years ago. In case you don't find anything, 
you could use this shell script, that I'm using:

---
scriptfilePath="$(readlink -f $0)"
workingDir=$(dirname "${scriptfilePath}")
toggleFile=$workingDir"/toggleIndicator"

if [ ! -f $toggleFile ]; then
xinput --enable "SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad"
echo "1" > $toggleFile
else
xinput --disable "SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad"
rm $toggleFile
fi

-

Take a look at the two `xinput` commands. You need to find out, how your stick 
and touchpad are called (use `xinput --list`) and replace the names with the 
names on your computer.

I put the script as ~/.config/touchpad/touchpadToggle.sh and mark it as executable 
(right click-> properties -> permission -> checkbox on bottom)

I then set a command in `Keyboard` (Mouse Menu -> Keyboard -> "Application 
Shortcuts"):
/bin/sh /home/[YOUR_USERNAME]/.config/touchpad/touchpadToggle.sh
I'm using Shift+Ctrl+Space as Shortcut.


Regards
Chris



On 2021/09/06 18:46, Michael Lueck wrote:

Greetings,

I have been remote for the past couple of weeks... traveling, so away from my 
desktop computer. For this trip I freshly loaded a ThinkPad with Xubuntu 
20.04.2 release.

I prefer to attach an external Logitech mouse to the computer.

Is it possible to intelligently auto disable the built-in pointing stick / pad 
when the OS detects an external pointing device attached? And for them to 
re-enable if the external pointing device were to become disconnected?

Countless times the built-in pointing devices were picking up unintentional 
input and trashing my text I was trying to type. Very annoying!

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Question / Idea of using Xubuntu on a notebook computer

[Michael Lueck]

Greetings,

I have been remote for the past couple of weeks... traveling, so away from my 
desktop computer. For this trip I freshly loaded a ThinkPad with Xubuntu 
20.04.2 release.

I prefer to attach an external Logitech mouse to the computer.

Is it possible to intelligently auto disable the built-in pointing stick / pad when the OS detects an external pointing device attached? And for them to re-enable if the external pointing device were 
to become disconnected?


Countless times the built-in pointing devices were picking up unintentional 
input and trashing my text I was trying to type. Very annoying!

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First Impish Indri test rebuild / GCC 11

[Matthias Klose]

The first test rebuild of Impish Indri was started on August 05 2021 for
all architectures, all components. The rebuild is finished on amd64 and i386 for
all components, and finished for all architectures for the main component.
Still running for universe and multiverse for non-x86 architectures.

Results (please also look at the superseded builds) can be found at

https://people.canonical.com/~doko/ftbfs-report/test-rebuild-20210805-impish-impish.html

The rebuild was done with a few packages which are not yet in the impish release
pocket.  These are:

 - glibc 2.34
 - linux (linux-libc-dev), only in the proposed pocket
 - golang-defaults pointing to golang-1.17

GCC 11 is now the default compiler; there are no bug reports filed in LP for
build failures triggered by GCC 11, however there are reports in the Debian BTS.
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?tag=ftbfs-gcc-11;users=debian-...@lists.debian.org

Porting advice can be found at https://gcc.gnu.org/gcc-11/porting_to.html

The additional packages used for the test rebuild are found in the PPA
https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-toolchain-r/+archive/ubuntu/volatile


Additional build failures for packages in hirsute-proposed (not yet in hirsute)
can be found at http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/ftbfs/

Please help fixing the build failures.

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Xubuntu daily CD health check

[Colin Watson]

This is a daily health check report on the Xubuntu CD images.
If you have any questions, contact Colin Watson .

xubuntu/daily-live: impish-desktop-amd64.iso oversized by 77612032 bytes 
(2077612032)

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[Helder Novais]

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Re: [Team Vote] Panel changes

[Sean Davis]

For increasing the panel size, I'm +1 if the current proposal is the latest 
screenshot:
https://github.com/Xubuntu/xubuntu-default-settings/pull/16#issuecomment-792338317

I'm also +1 for adding the pinned launchers.

Thanks!

On Sat, Jul 31, 2021, at 9:54 AM, Yousuf Philips wrote:
> Hi Team,
> 
> There are 2 additional changes that I want to make to the panel other than 
> the addition of the clipman plugin, which are:
> 
> 1. Increase panel size to 32px 
> (https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2019-July/011825.html, 
> https://github.com/Xubuntu/xubuntu-default-settings/pull/16)
> 
> 2. Add Firefox and Thunar pinned launchers
> 
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Re: [TEAM VOTE] Addition of new themes to the seed

[Michael Lueck]

Greetings Sean,

Sean Davis wrote:

Please vote on adding the GTK theme packages



On the topic of themes...

I prefer a theme that is easy to mouse grab the corner of the window to be able 
to resize in both directions at the same time.

Lately (recent LTS releases of Xubuntu), this has a been very challenging 
operation to perform with the shipping defaults.

Currently in Xubuntu 20.04.2, I am running with:
Appearance Style: Adwaita
Appearance Icons: elementary Xfce darker
Window Manager Style: Moheli


I will investigate the mentioned suggestions and report back.

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Re: [Team Vote] Panel changes

[Michael Lueck]

Greetings Yousuf,

Yousuf Philips wrote:


There are 2 additional changes that I want to make to the panel other than the 
addition of the clipman plugin, which are:

1. Increase panel size to 32px 
(https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2019-July/011825.html, 
https://github.com/Xubuntu/xubuntu-default-settings/pull/16)


From the linked page...




My suggestion is to increase it to 28px which is the lowest even number
from the sizes listed above and would allow 24px icons to appear in the
panel with 2px padding above and below. It is the default I use both on my
1366x768 laptop and 1440x900 desktop. Alternatively we can go up one or two
notches to 30px or 32px to have even more padding and improving the panel's
visibility at 1080p and higher.



So I tried out 28px... that seems huge compared to the default 24px.

"Fine, if you must." I will be setting my top panel manually back to 24px.

And I run at screen resolution 2560 x 1440.

I like lots packed onto my screen.



2. Add Firefox and Thunar pinned launchers



Does not bother me either I will keep on manually setting the launchers as 
I like them.

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[Team Vote] Panel changes

[Yousuf Philips]

Hi Team,

There are 2 additional changes that I want to make to the panel other than
the addition of the clipman plugin, which are:

1. Increase panel size to 32px (
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2019-July/011825.html,
https://github.com/Xubuntu/xubuntu-default-settings/pull/16)

2. Add Firefox and Thunar pinned launchers

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Re: [Team Vote] Various updates to the Xubuntu Seed

[Yousuf Philips]

Hi Unit193,

Regarding your objection to gnome-chess due to it possibly having GTK4, i'm
assuming even without if it weren't included that GTK4 would still come
through based on what Sean mentioned in his recent blog post, "GNOME 40 and
GTK 4 are starting to land, so there's a strong likelihood that GTK 4
components will make their way into Xubuntu."[1]

[1] https://bluesabre.org/2021/07/29/xubuntu-21-10-dev-update/

Regards,
Yousuf

On Tue, Jul 27, 2021 at 5:13 AM Unit 193  wrote:

> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA384
>
> Howdy,
>
> Sorry for my delayed response.
>
> ~Unit 193
> Unit193 @ Libera
> Unit193 @ OFTC
>
> On Wed, 21 Jul 2021, Sean Davis wrote:
>
> > Thanks Simon. With that, we're only missing votes from Unit193. It looks
> like baobab and xfce4-clipman-plugin have enough positive votes that one
> more
> > negative vote won't derail them, so I will move those forward.
> >
> > Add baobab:
> > +1 Myself
> > +1 Yousuf
> > +1 Krytarik
> > +0 Lyz
> > +0 Pasi
> > -1 Simon
> > ?? Unit193
> > =2 OK
> +0
>
> > Add xfce4-appmenu-plugin:
> > +0 Myself
> > +1 Yousuf
> > +0 Krytarik
> > +0 Lyz
> > +0 Pasi
> > +0 Simon
> > ?? Unit193
> > =1 PENDING
> - -1
>
> This is vala based, historically has a bad track record of API breaks.  I
> don't
> think we want to get stuck having to fix this.
>
>
> > Add xfce4-clipman-plugin:
> > +0 Myself
> > +1 Yousuf
> > +1 Krytarik
> > +0 Lyz
> > -1 Pasi
> > +1 Simon
> > ?? Unit193
> > =2 OK
> +0
>
> > Remove gnome-mines gnome-sudoku, Add four-in-a-row gnome-chess
> gnome-nibbles quadrapassel:
> > +1 Myself
> > +1 Yousuf
> > -1 Krytarik
> > +1 Lyz
> > -1 Pasi
> > +0 Simon
> > ?? Unit193
> > =1 PENDING
> - -1
>
> Here I am specifically objecting to gnome-chess, if that were removed from
> the
> proposal I'd give an +1.  I am concerned that these will very soon be
> pulling
> in GTK4 though.
>
> > On Tue, Jul 20, 2021, at 9:45 AM, Simon Steinbeiss wrote:
> >   Hi everyone,
> >
> > a little late to the party, but here we go:
> >
> >  -1 for Baobab (since we have gnome-disk-utility already)
> > +0 for xfce4-appmenu-plugin
> > +1 for xfce4-clipman-plugin
> > +0 for the games
> >
> > Cheers
> > Simon
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 16, 2021 at 11:27 AM Sean Davis  wrote:
> >
> > Thanks Pasi. That's a good point. Since Rhythmbox is in, Pragha is out.
> Now we just wait for Simon and Unit193 to decide the fate of the last
> > ones.
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 16, 2021, at 4:25 AM, Pasi Lallinaho wrote:
> >   Here's my votes for the yet unsettled ones:
> >
> > +0 for Baobab
> > -1 for Pragha (since we're already installing Rhythmbox)
> > +0 for xfce4-appmenu-plugin
> > -1 for xfce4-clipman-plugin
> > -1 for the games change
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Pasi
> >
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> > Xubuntu contributor› https://xubuntu.org/
> > Xfce contributor   › https://xfce.org/
> > Shimmer Project co-founder › https://shimmerproject.org/
> > On 16.7.2021 4.37, Sean Davis wrote:
> >   It looks like we have enough votes to call some of these:
> >
> > Add gnome-disk-utility:
> > +1 Myself
> > +1 Yousuf
> > +1 Krytarik
> > +1 Liz
> > OK!
> >
> > Add baobab:
> > +1 Myself
> > +1 Yousuf
> > +1 Krytarik
> > +0 Liz
> >
> > Add rhythmbox:
> > +1 Myself
> > +1 Yousuf
> > +1 Krytarik
> > +1 Liz
> > OK!
> >
> > Add pragha:
> > +0 Myself
> > +0 Yousuf
> > +0 Krytarik
> > +0 Liz
> >
> > Add xfce4-appmenu-plugin:
> > +0 Myself
> > +1 Yousuf
> > +0 Krytarik
> > +0 Liz
> >
> > Add xfce4-clipman-plugin:
> > +0 Myself
> > +1 Yousuf
> > +1 Krytarik
> > +0 Liz
> >
> > Remove gnome-mines gnome-sudoku, Add four-in-a-row gnome-chess
> gnome-nibbles quadrapassel:
> > +1 Myself
> > +1 Yousuf
> > -1 Krytarik
> > +1 Liz
> >
> > Remove Pidgin:
> > +1 Myself
> > +1 Yousuf
> > +1 Krytarik
> > +1 Liz
> > OK!
> >
> > We'll proceed with adding gnome-disk-utility and rhythmbox, while
> removing Pidgin. Thanks everybody voting so far!
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 15, 2021, at 9:18 PM, Sean Davis wrote:
> >   I'm likewise in favor of removing Pidgin. Keep the votes coming! :)
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 15, 2021, at 7:54 PM, Elizabeth K. Joseph wrote:
> >   Thanks for collecting these in one place, Sean.
> >
> > +1 on gnome-disk-utility
> > +0 on baobab
> >
> > +1 on rhythmbox
> >
> > +0 for the additional plugins
> >
> > +1 for the games changes
> >
> > Finally, I'd also be for removing pidgin. The time has passed.
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 15, 2021 at 2:56 AM Sean Davis  wrote:
> >
> > Hey everyone, long time no chat! :)
> >
> > There are a few discussions that have been opened up in recent months
> for changes to the seed. I wanted to
> > continue this discussion with some team votes so we can move forward.
> With each of the discussions I've linked
> > the original ML and bug reports.
> >
> > Xubuntu Team (https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-team/+members#active)
> currently has 7 active members, so any
> > proposal reaching 4 or more +1s from the team is approved. 

Re: [TEAM VOTE] Addition of new themes to the seed

[Krytarik Raido]

+0 on arc-theme.
-1 on numix-blue-gtk-theme because upstream (Set Hallstrom and myself) 
only made one release back in 2016 and Ubuntu Studio as the driver for 
this have since switched to another theme (Materia).


On 7/27/21 1:12 PM, Sean Davis wrote:

Hey everyone,

Here's another vote that's outstanding. Please vote on adding the GTK 
theme packages "arc-theme" and "numix-blue-gtk-theme" to the seed.


arc-theme
numix-blue-gtk-theme

Please install them to check them out!
sudo apt install arc-theme numix-blue-gtk-theme

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-meta/+bug/1914424 



My vote:
+1 arc-theme
-1 numix-blue-gtk-theme

On Fri, Mar 12, 2021, at 7:13 AM, Yousuf Philips wrote:

Hi Team,

I've proposed the addition of a number of seeds, and this is the 
first round of them, so add your opinion in the pull requests.


Games (chess, four in a row, snake, and tetris games)
https://github.com/philipzae/xubuntu-seed/commit/a7ff1df865c0a6785a54c28a1e46b2e50a2c2f16 



Panel (Clipman, Appmenu)
https://github.com/philipzae/xubuntu-seed/commit/1d412bfd17ddc9a599753b0084fb03a361365831 



Themes (Arc, Numix Blue)
https://github.com/philipzae/xubuntu-seed/commit/4afbd2d8bd7928437f8890ed71f223753fb56452 



These suggestions are documented here.
https://github.com/Xubuntu/xubuntu-default-settings/issues/5 

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/145vm29WnxgYm4Y_8guaGDAblZT5sRjZ3jhKRktgX1No/edit#gid=0 



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Re: [TEAM VOTE] Add Clipman plugin to panel

[Krytarik Raido]

+1 on this too.

On 7/27/21 12:40 PM, Sean Davis wrote:
Thanks everybody for your participation in the last team vote. Here's 
another vote that is outstanding.


Currently we're at:
+1 Yousuf
-1 Pasi
-1 Myself

On Mon, May 31, 2021, at 7:25 AM, Pasi Lallinaho wrote:

Hello Yousuf and others,

as Sean requested a *team* vote should be conducted on this, not a 
community vote. This means everybody in the Xubuntu team [1] has a 
vote to cast.


Others are obviously free to voice their opinions and if they are 
well argumented, will likely be taken into account by the team members.


Cheers,
Pasi

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On 31.5.2021 13.31, Yousuf Philips wrote:

Hi Team,

I have proposed the addition of clipman to be included in the panel 
by default, to fix X11's clipboard clearing bug and to improve the 
user experience by having access to the clipboard history, and Sean 
has asked that this be voted on. So, please let your vote be known.


https://github.com/Xubuntu/xubuntu-default-settings/pull/15 



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[TEAM VOTE] Addition of new themes to the seed

[Sean Davis]

Hey everyone,

Here's another vote that's outstanding. Please vote on adding the GTK theme 
packages "arc-theme" and "numix-blue-gtk-theme" to the seed.

arc-theme
numix-blue-gtk-theme

Please install them to check them out!
sudo apt install arc-theme numix-blue-gtk-theme

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-meta/+bug/1914424

My vote:
+1 arc-theme
-1 numix-blue-gtk-theme

On Fri, Mar 12, 2021, at 7:13 AM, Yousuf Philips wrote:
> Hi Team,
> 
> I've proposed the addition of a number of seeds, and this is the first round 
> of them, so add your opinion in the pull requests.
> 
> Games (chess, four in a row, snake, and tetris games)
> https://github.com/philipzae/xubuntu-seed/commit/a7ff1df865c0a6785a54c28a1e46b2e50a2c2f16
> 
> Panel (Clipman, Appmenu)
> https://github.com/philipzae/xubuntu-seed/commit/1d412bfd17ddc9a599753b0084fb03a361365831
> 
> Themes (Arc, Numix Blue)
> https://github.com/philipzae/xubuntu-seed/commit/4afbd2d8bd7928437f8890ed71f223753fb56452
> 
> These suggestions are documented here.
> https://github.com/Xubuntu/xubuntu-default-settings/issues/5
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/145vm29WnxgYm4Y_8guaGDAblZT5sRjZ3jhKRktgX1No/edit#gid=0
> 
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[TEAM VOTE] Add Clipman plugin to panel

[Sean Davis]

Thanks everybody for your participation in the last team vote. Here's another 
vote that is outstanding.

Currently we're at:
+1 Yousuf
-1 Pasi
-1 Myself

On Mon, May 31, 2021, at 7:25 AM, Pasi Lallinaho wrote:
> Hello Yousuf and others,
> 
> as Sean requested a *team* vote should be conducted on this, not a community 
> vote. This means everybody in the Xubuntu team [1] has a vote to cast.
> 
> Others are obviously free to voice their opinions and if they are well 
> argumented, will likely be taken into account by the team members.
> 
> Cheers,
> Pasi
> 
> [1] https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-team/+members#active
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> On 31.5.2021 13.31, Yousuf Philips wrote:
>> Hi Team,
>> 
>> I have proposed the addition of clipman to be included in the panel by 
>> default, to fix X11's clipboard clearing bug and to improve the user 
>> experience by having access to the clipboard history, and Sean has asked 
>> that this be voted on. So, please let your vote be known.
>> 
>> https://github.com/Xubuntu/xubuntu-default-settings/pull/15
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Yousuf
>> 
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Re: [Team Vote] Various updates to the Xubuntu Seed

[Unit 193]

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Howdy,

Sorry for my delayed response.

~Unit 193
Unit193 @ Libera
Unit193 @ OFTC

On Wed, 21 Jul 2021, Sean Davis wrote:


Thanks Simon. With that, we're only missing votes from Unit193. It looks like 
baobab and xfce4-clipman-plugin have enough positive votes that one more
negative vote won't derail them, so I will move those forward.

Add baobab:
+1 Myself
+1 Yousuf
+1 Krytarik
+0 Lyz
+0 Pasi
-1 Simon
?? Unit193
=2 OK

+0


Add xfce4-appmenu-plugin:
+0 Myself
+1 Yousuf
+0 Krytarik
+0 Lyz
+0 Pasi
+0 Simon
?? Unit193
=1 PENDING

- -1

This is vala based, historically has a bad track record of API breaks.  I don't 
think we want to get stuck having to fix this.




Add xfce4-clipman-plugin:
+0 Myself
+1 Yousuf
+1 Krytarik
+0 Lyz
-1 Pasi
+1 Simon
?? Unit193
=2 OK

+0


Remove gnome-mines gnome-sudoku, Add four-in-a-row gnome-chess gnome-nibbles 
quadrapassel:
+1 Myself
+1 Yousuf
-1 Krytarik
+1 Lyz
-1 Pasi
+0 Simon
?? Unit193
=1 PENDING

- -1

Here I am specifically objecting to gnome-chess, if that were removed from the 
proposal I'd give an +1.  I am concerned that these will very soon be pulling 
in GTK4 though.



On Tue, Jul 20, 2021, at 9:45 AM, Simon Steinbeiss wrote:
  Hi everyone,

a little late to the party, but here we go:

 -1 for Baobab (since we have gnome-disk-utility already)
+0 for xfce4-appmenu-plugin
+1 for xfce4-clipman-plugin
+0 for the games

Cheers
Simon


On Fri, Jul 16, 2021 at 11:27 AM Sean Davis  wrote:

Thanks Pasi. That's a good point. Since Rhythmbox is in, Pragha is out. Now we 
just wait for Simon and Unit193 to decide the fate of the last
ones.

On Fri, Jul 16, 2021, at 4:25 AM, Pasi Lallinaho wrote:
  Here's my votes for the yet unsettled ones:

+0 for Baobab
-1 for Pragha (since we're already installing Rhythmbox)
+0 for xfce4-appmenu-plugin
-1 for xfce4-clipman-plugin
-1 for the games change

Cheers,
Pasi

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On 16.7.2021 4.37, Sean Davis wrote:
  It looks like we have enough votes to call some of these:

Add gnome-disk-utility:
+1 Myself
+1 Yousuf
+1 Krytarik
+1 Liz
OK!
 
Add baobab:
+1 Myself
+1 Yousuf
+1 Krytarik
+0 Liz

Add rhythmbox:
+1 Myself
+1 Yousuf
+1 Krytarik
+1 Liz
OK!

Add pragha:
+0 Myself
+0 Yousuf
+0 Krytarik
+0 Liz

Add xfce4-appmenu-plugin:
+0 Myself
+1 Yousuf
+0 Krytarik
+0 Liz

Add xfce4-clipman-plugin:
+0 Myself
+1 Yousuf
+1 Krytarik
+0 Liz

Remove gnome-mines gnome-sudoku, Add four-in-a-row gnome-chess gnome-nibbles 
quadrapassel:
+1 Myself
+1 Yousuf
-1 Krytarik
+1 Liz

Remove Pidgin:
+1 Myself
+1 Yousuf
+1 Krytarik
+1 Liz
OK!

We'll proceed with adding gnome-disk-utility and rhythmbox, while removing 
Pidgin. Thanks everybody voting so far!

On Thu, Jul 15, 2021, at 9:18 PM, Sean Davis wrote:
  I'm likewise in favor of removing Pidgin. Keep the votes coming! :)

On Thu, Jul 15, 2021, at 7:54 PM, Elizabeth K. Joseph wrote:
  Thanks for collecting these in one place, Sean.

+1 on gnome-disk-utility
+0 on baobab

+1 on rhythmbox

+0 for the additional plugins

+1 for the games changes

Finally, I'd also be for removing pidgin. The time has passed.


On Thu, Jul 15, 2021 at 2:56 AM Sean Davis  wrote:

Hey everyone, long time no chat! :)

There are a few discussions that have been opened up in recent months for 
changes to the seed. I wanted to
continue this discussion with some team votes so we can move forward. With each 
of the discussions I've linked
the original ML and bug reports.

Xubuntu Team (https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-team/+members#active) currently 
has 7 active members, so any
proposal reaching 4 or more +1s from the team is approved. Please take some 
time soon to submit your votes so
we're not all waiting in anticipation. 

---

Addition of disk utilities 
(https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-meta/+bug/1934932,
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2020-March/011877.html)
- gnome-disk-utility
- baobab

I'm personally +1 for both. Yousuf is also +1 as requester.

---

Addition of music player 
(https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-meta/+bug/1934926,
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2021-May/012062.html)
- rhythmbox, or
- pragha

I don't have a strong opinion here since I stream all of my music, but it looks 
like there is community interest
based on the mailing list. After installing both and doing a quick comparison, 
my preference would be for
rhythmbox.

+1 rhythmbox
+0 pragha

---

Clipman and Appmenu Plugin, installed but not added to panel by default
(https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-meta/+bug/1934925,
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2021-April/012055.html)
- xfce4-appmenu-plugin
- xfce4-clipman-plugin

I'm +0 for both. I don't think there's much utility to 

Re: Addition of a music player app

[b3nmore]

Greetings,

bit late to the discussion and afaik votes are already done, but for the 
sake of completeness, have you considered Lollypop 
(https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Lollypop)? Its in the repository and 
design-wise imo the most appealing one. Technically its seems to work 
well, but I've to admit I'm not a heavy user of music players anymore.


Cheers

On 17/05/2021 01:34, Michael Lueck wrote:

Greetings team,

My music player of choice on Linux is:

Yousuf Philips wrote:
1. rhythmbox (8,473kb): The recommended option as it is in regular 
development and is used by flavors (gnome, mate, budgie) as well as 
xfce distros (mint, manjaro, mx).



My one critique of it is it can be challenging to, by typing part of the 
text you know is an attribute of a file, to actually consistently find 
the piece of music you are seeking. I have enabled all of the available 
view attribute lists. I keep trying to move the attribute keywords I 
remember to spots Rhythmbox full text searches on in that player UI 
search field.


Otherwise, rock solid, no issues.

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Re: [Team Vote] Various updates to the Xubuntu Seed

[Sean Davis]

Thanks Simon. With that, we're only missing votes from Unit193. It looks like 
baobab and xfce4-clipman-plugin have enough positive votes that one more 
negative vote won't derail them, so I will move those forward.

Add baobab: 
+1 Myself
+1 Yousuf
+1 Krytarik
+0 Lyz
+0 Pasi
-1 Simon
?? Unit193
=2 OK

Add xfce4-appmenu-plugin:
+0 Myself
+1 Yousuf
+0 Krytarik
+0 Lyz
+0 Pasi
+0 Simon
?? Unit193
=1 PENDING

Add xfce4-clipman-plugin:
+0 Myself
+1 Yousuf
+1 Krytarik
+0 Lyz
-1 Pasi
+1 Simon
?? Unit193
=2 OK

Remove gnome-mines gnome-sudoku, Add four-in-a-row gnome-chess gnome-nibbles 
quadrapassel:
+1 Myself
+1 Yousuf
-1 Krytarik
+1 Lyz
-1 Pasi
+0 Simon
?? Unit193
=1 PENDING

On Tue, Jul 20, 2021, at 9:45 AM, Simon Steinbeiss wrote:
> Hi everyone,
> 
> a little late to the party, but here we go:
> 
>  -1 for Baobab (since we have gnome-disk-utility already)
> +0 for xfce4-appmenu-plugin
> +1 for xfce4-clipman-plugin
> +0 for the games
> 
> Cheers
> Simon
> 
> 
> On Fri, Jul 16, 2021 at 11:27 AM Sean Davis  wrote:
>> __
>> Thanks Pasi. That's a good point. Since Rhythmbox is in, Pragha is out. Now 
>> we just wait for Simon and Unit193 to decide the fate of the last ones.
>> 
>> On Fri, Jul 16, 2021, at 4:25 AM, Pasi Lallinaho wrote:
>>> Here's my votes for the yet unsettled ones:
>>> 
>>> +0 for Baobab
>>> -1 for Pragha (since we're already installing Rhythmbox)
>>> +0 for xfce4-appmenu-plugin
>>> -1 for xfce4-clipman-plugin
>>> -1 for the games change
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Pasi
>>> 
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>>> Shimmer Project co-founder › https://shimmerproject.org/
>>> On 16.7.2021 4.37, Sean Davis wrote:
 It looks like we have enough votes to call some of these:
 
 Add gnome-disk-utility:
 +1 Myself
 +1 Yousuf
 +1 Krytarik
 +1 Liz
 OK!
  
 Add baobab:
 +1 Myself
 +1 Yousuf
 +1 Krytarik
 +0 Liz
 
 Add rhythmbox:
 +1 Myself
 +1 Yousuf
 +1 Krytarik
 +1 Liz
 OK!
 
 Add pragha:
 +0 Myself
 +0 Yousuf
 +0 Krytarik
 +0 Liz
 
 Add xfce4-appmenu-plugin:
 +0 Myself
 +1 Yousuf
 +0 Krytarik
 +0 Liz
 
 Add xfce4-clipman-plugin:
 +0 Myself
 +1 Yousuf
 +1 Krytarik
 +0 Liz
 
 Remove gnome-mines gnome-sudoku, Add four-in-a-row gnome-chess 
 gnome-nibbles quadrapassel:
 +1 Myself
 +1 Yousuf
 -1 Krytarik
 +1 Liz
 
 Remove Pidgin:
 +1 Myself
 +1 Yousuf
 +1 Krytarik
 +1 Liz
 OK!
 
 We'll proceed with adding gnome-disk-utility and rhythmbox, while removing 
 Pidgin. Thanks everybody voting so far!
 
 On Thu, Jul 15, 2021, at 9:18 PM, Sean Davis wrote:
> I'm likewise in favor of removing Pidgin. Keep the votes coming! :)
> 
> On Thu, Jul 15, 2021, at 7:54 PM, Elizabeth K. Joseph wrote:
>> Thanks for collecting these in one place, Sean.
>> 
>> +1 on gnome-disk-utility
>> +0 on baobab
>> 
>> +1 on rhythmbox
>> 
>> +0 for the additional plugins
>> 
>> +1 for the games changes
>> 
>> Finally, I'd also be for removing pidgin. The time has passed.
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, Jul 15, 2021 at 2:56 AM Sean Davis  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hey everyone, long time no chat! :)
>>> 
>>> There are a few discussions that have been opened up in recent months 
>>> for changes to the seed. I wanted to continue this discussion with some 
>>> team votes so we can move forward. With each of the discussions I've 
>>> linked the original ML and bug reports.
>>> 
>>> Xubuntu Team (https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-team/+members#active) 
>>> currently has 7 active members, so any proposal reaching 4 or more +1s 
>>> from the team is approved. Please take some time soon to submit your 
>>> votes so we're not all waiting in anticipation. 
>>> 
>>> ---
>>> 
>>> Addition of disk utilities 
>>> (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-meta/+bug/1934932, 
>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2020-March/011877.html)
>>> - gnome-disk-utility
>>> - baobab
>>> 
>>> I'm personally +1 for both. Yousuf is also +1 as requester.
>>> 
>>> ---
>>> 
>>> Addition of music player 
>>> (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-meta/+bug/1934926, 
>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2021-May/012062.html)
>>> - rhythmbox, or
>>> - pragha
>>> 
>>> I don't have a strong opinion here since I stream all of my music, but 
>>> it looks like there is community interest based on the mailing list. 
>>> After installing both and doing a quick comparison, my preference would 
>>> be for rhythmbox.
>>> 
>>> +1 rhythmbox
>>> +0 pragha
>>> 
>>> ---

Re: [Team Vote] Various updates to the Xubuntu Seed

[Simon Steinbeiss]

Hi everyone,

a little late to the party, but here we go:

 -1 for Baobab (since we have gnome-disk-utility already)
+0 for xfce4-appmenu-plugin
+1 for xfce4-clipman-plugin
+0 for the games

Cheers
Simon


On Fri, Jul 16, 2021 at 11:27 AM Sean Davis  wrote:

> Thanks Pasi. That's a good point. Since Rhythmbox is in, Pragha is out.
> Now we just wait for Simon and Unit193 to decide the fate of the last ones.
>
> On Fri, Jul 16, 2021, at 4:25 AM, Pasi Lallinaho wrote:
>
> Here's my votes for the yet unsettled ones:
>
> +0 for Baobab
> -1 for Pragha (since we're already installing Rhythmbox)
> +0 for xfce4-appmenu-plugin
> -1 for xfce4-clipman-plugin
> -1 for the games change
>
> Cheers,
> Pasi
>
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>
> On 16.7.2021 4.37, Sean Davis wrote:
>
> It looks like we have enough votes to call some of these:
>
> Add gnome-disk-utility:
> +1 Myself
> +1 Yousuf
> +1 Krytarik
> +1 Liz
> OK!
>
> Add baobab:
> +1 Myself
> +1 Yousuf
> +1 Krytarik
> +0 Liz
>
> Add rhythmbox:
> +1 Myself
> +1 Yousuf
> +1 Krytarik
> +1 Liz
> OK!
>
> Add pragha:
> +0 Myself
> +0 Yousuf
> +0 Krytarik
> +0 Liz
>
> Add xfce4-appmenu-plugin:
> +0 Myself
> +1 Yousuf
> +0 Krytarik
> +0 Liz
>
> Add xfce4-clipman-plugin:
> +0 Myself
> +1 Yousuf
> +1 Krytarik
> +0 Liz
>
> Remove gnome-mines gnome-sudoku, Add four-in-a-row gnome-chess
> gnome-nibbles quadrapassel:
> +1 Myself
> +1 Yousuf
> -1 Krytarik
> +1 Liz
>
> Remove Pidgin:
> +1 Myself
> +1 Yousuf
> +1 Krytarik
> +1 Liz
> OK!
>
> We'll proceed with adding gnome-disk-utility and rhythmbox, while removing
> Pidgin. Thanks everybody voting so far!
>
> On Thu, Jul 15, 2021, at 9:18 PM, Sean Davis wrote:
>
> I'm likewise in favor of removing Pidgin. Keep the votes coming! :)
>
> On Thu, Jul 15, 2021, at 7:54 PM, Elizabeth K. Joseph wrote:
>
> Thanks for collecting these in one place, Sean.
>
> +1 on gnome-disk-utility
> +0 on baobab
>
> +1 on rhythmbox
>
> +0 for the additional plugins
>
> +1 for the games changes
>
> Finally, I'd also be for removing pidgin. The time has passed.
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 15, 2021 at 2:56 AM Sean Davis  wrote:
>
>
> Hey everyone, long time no chat! :)
>
> There are a few discussions that have been opened up in recent months for
> changes to the seed. I wanted to continue this discussion with some team
> votes so we can move forward. With each of the discussions I've linked the
> original ML and bug reports.
>
> Xubuntu Team (https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-team/+members#active)
> currently has 7 active members, so any proposal reaching 4 or more +1s from
> the team is approved. Please take some time soon to submit your votes so
> we're not all waiting in anticipation.
>
> ---
>
> Addition of disk utilities (
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-meta/+bug/1934932,
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2020-March/011877.html)
> - gnome-disk-utility
> - baobab
>
> I'm personally +1 for both. Yousuf is also +1 as requester.
>
> ---
>
> Addition of music player (
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-meta/+bug/1934926,
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2021-May/012062.html)
> - rhythmbox, or
> - pragha
>
> I don't have a strong opinion here since I stream all of my music, but it
> looks like there is community interest based on the mailing list. After
> installing both and doing a quick comparison, my preference would be for
> rhythmbox.
>
> +1 rhythmbox
> +0 pragha
>
> ---
>
> Clipman and Appmenu Plugin, installed but not added to panel by default (
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-meta/+bug/1934925,
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2021-April/012055.html)
> - xfce4-appmenu-plugin
> - xfce4-clipman-plugin
>
> I'm +0 for both. I don't think there's much utility to preinstalling these
> plugins. If we want to satisfy installing them for the panel profiles app,
> we should extend the panel profiles app to download the missing packages
> with PackageKit.
>
> Yousuf is +1 as requester.
>
> ---
>
> Games (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-meta/+bug/1916991
> )
>
> Remove: gnome-mines gnome-sudoku
> Add: four-in-a-row gnome-chess gnome-nibbles quadrapassel
>
> I'm +1 for these changes. Yousuf is also +1 as requester.
>
> ---
>
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Re: [Team Vote] Various updates to the Xubuntu Seed

[Sean Davis]

Thanks Pasi. That's a good point. Since Rhythmbox is in, Pragha is out. Now we 
just wait for Simon and Unit193 to decide the fate of the last ones.

On Fri, Jul 16, 2021, at 4:25 AM, Pasi Lallinaho wrote:
> Here's my votes for the yet unsettled ones:
> 
> +0 for Baobab
> -1 for Pragha (since we're already installing Rhythmbox)
> +0 for xfce4-appmenu-plugin
> -1 for xfce4-clipman-plugin
> -1 for the games change
> 
> Cheers,
> Pasi
> 
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> Xubuntu contributor› https://xubuntu.org/
> Xfce contributor   › https://xfce.org/
> Shimmer Project co-founder › https://shimmerproject.org/
> On 16.7.2021 4.37, Sean Davis wrote:
>> It looks like we have enough votes to call some of these:
>> 
>> Add gnome-disk-utility:
>> +1 Myself
>> +1 Yousuf
>> +1 Krytarik
>> +1 Liz
>> OK!
>>  
>> Add baobab:
>> +1 Myself
>> +1 Yousuf
>> +1 Krytarik
>> +0 Liz
>> 
>> Add rhythmbox:
>> +1 Myself
>> +1 Yousuf
>> +1 Krytarik
>> +1 Liz
>> OK!
>> 
>> Add pragha:
>> +0 Myself
>> +0 Yousuf
>> +0 Krytarik
>> +0 Liz
>> 
>> Add xfce4-appmenu-plugin:
>> +0 Myself
>> +1 Yousuf
>> +0 Krytarik
>> +0 Liz
>> 
>> Add xfce4-clipman-plugin:
>> +0 Myself
>> +1 Yousuf
>> +1 Krytarik
>> +0 Liz
>> 
>> Remove gnome-mines gnome-sudoku, Add four-in-a-row gnome-chess gnome-nibbles 
>> quadrapassel:
>> +1 Myself
>> +1 Yousuf
>> -1 Krytarik
>> +1 Liz
>> 
>> Remove Pidgin:
>> +1 Myself
>> +1 Yousuf
>> +1 Krytarik
>> +1 Liz
>> OK!
>> 
>> We'll proceed with adding gnome-disk-utility and rhythmbox, while removing 
>> Pidgin. Thanks everybody voting so far!
>> 
>> On Thu, Jul 15, 2021, at 9:18 PM, Sean Davis wrote:
>>> I'm likewise in favor of removing Pidgin. Keep the votes coming! :)
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Jul 15, 2021, at 7:54 PM, Elizabeth K. Joseph wrote:
 Thanks for collecting these in one place, Sean.
 
 +1 on gnome-disk-utility
 +0 on baobab
 
 +1 on rhythmbox
 
 +0 for the additional plugins
 
 +1 for the games changes
 
 Finally, I'd also be for removing pidgin. The time has passed.
 
 
 On Thu, Jul 15, 2021 at 2:56 AM Sean Davis  wrote:
> 
> Hey everyone, long time no chat! :)
> 
> There are a few discussions that have been opened up in recent months for 
> changes to the seed. I wanted to continue this discussion with some team 
> votes so we can move forward. With each of the discussions I've linked 
> the original ML and bug reports.
> 
> Xubuntu Team (https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-team/+members#active) 
> currently has 7 active members, so any proposal reaching 4 or more +1s 
> from the team is approved. Please take some time soon to submit your 
> votes so we're not all waiting in anticipation. 
> 
> ---
> 
> Addition of disk utilities 
> (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-meta/+bug/1934932, 
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2020-March/011877.html)
> - gnome-disk-utility
> - baobab
> 
> I'm personally +1 for both. Yousuf is also +1 as requester.
> 
> ---
> 
> Addition of music player 
> (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-meta/+bug/1934926, 
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2021-May/012062.html)
> - rhythmbox, or
> - pragha
> 
> I don't have a strong opinion here since I stream all of my music, but it 
> looks like there is community interest based on the mailing list. After 
> installing both and doing a quick comparison, my preference would be for 
> rhythmbox.
> 
> +1 rhythmbox
> +0 pragha
> 
> ---
> 
> Clipman and Appmenu Plugin, installed but not added to panel by default 
> (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-meta/+bug/1934925, 
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2021-April/012055.html)
> - xfce4-appmenu-plugin
> - xfce4-clipman-plugin
> 
> I'm +0 for both. I don't think there's much utility to preinstalling 
> these plugins. If we want to satisfy installing them for the panel 
> profiles app, we should extend the panel profiles app to download the 
> missing packages with PackageKit.
> 
> Yousuf is +1 as requester.
> 
> ---
> 
> Games 
> (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-meta/+bug/1916991)
> 
> Remove: gnome-mines gnome-sudoku
> Add: four-in-a-row gnome-chess gnome-nibbles quadrapassel
> 
> I'm +1 for these changes. Yousuf is also +1 as requester.
> 
> ---
> 
> Thanks everyone!
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>>> 
>>> 

Re: [Team Vote] Various updates to the Xubuntu Seed

[Pasi Lallinaho]

Here's my votes for the yet unsettled ones:

+0 for Baobab
-1 for Pragha (since we're already installing Rhythmbox)
+0 for xfce4-appmenu-plugin
-1 for xfce4-clipman-plugin
-1 for the games change

Cheers,
Pasi

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On 16.7.2021 4.37, Sean Davis wrote:

It looks like we have enough votes to call some of these:

Add gnome-disk-utility:
+1 Myself
+1 Yousuf
+1 Krytarik
+1 Liz
OK!

Add baobab:
+1 Myself
+1 Yousuf
+1 Krytarik
+0 Liz

Add rhythmbox:
+1 Myself
+1 Yousuf
+1 Krytarik
+1 Liz
OK!

Add pragha:
+0 Myself
+0 Yousuf
+0 Krytarik
+0 Liz

Add xfce4-appmenu-plugin:
+0 Myself
+1 Yousuf
+0 Krytarik
+0 Liz

Add xfce4-clipman-plugin:
+0 Myself
+1 Yousuf
+1 Krytarik
+0 Liz

Remove gnome-mines gnome-sudoku, Add four-in-a-row gnome-chess 
gnome-nibbles quadrapassel:

+1 Myself
+1 Yousuf
-1 Krytarik
+1 Liz

Remove Pidgin:
+1 Myself
+1 Yousuf
+1 Krytarik
+1 Liz
OK!

We'll proceed with adding gnome-disk-utility and rhythmbox, while 
removing Pidgin. Thanks everybody voting so far!


On Thu, Jul 15, 2021, at 9:18 PM, Sean Davis wrote:

I'm likewise in favor of removing Pidgin. Keep the votes coming! :)

On Thu, Jul 15, 2021, at 7:54 PM, Elizabeth K. Joseph wrote:

Thanks for collecting these in one place, Sean.

+1 on gnome-disk-utility
+0 on baobab

+1 on rhythmbox

+0 for the additional plugins

+1 for the games changes

Finally, I'd also be for removing pidgin. The time has passed.


On Thu, Jul 15, 2021 at 2:56 AM Sean Davis > wrote:



Hey everyone, long time no chat! :)

There are a few discussions that have been opened up in recent
months for changes to the seed. I wanted to continue this
discussion with some team votes so we can move forward. With
each of the discussions I've linked the original ML and bug reports.

Xubuntu Team
(https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-team/+members#active
) currently
has 7 active members, so any proposal reaching 4 or more +1s
from the team is approved. Please take some time soon to submit
your votes so we're not all waiting in anticipation.

---

Addition of disk utilities
(https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-meta/+bug/1934932
,
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2020-March/011877.html
)
- gnome-disk-utility
- baobab

I'm personally +1 for both. Yousuf is also +1 as requester.

---

Addition of music player
(https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-meta/+bug/1934926
,
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2021-May/012062.html
)
- rhythmbox, or
- pragha

I don't have a strong opinion here since I stream all of my
music, but it looks like there is community interest based on
the mailing list. After installing both and doing a quick
comparison, my preference would be for rhythmbox.

+1 rhythmbox
+0 pragha

---

Clipman and Appmenu Plugin, installed but not added to panel by
default
(https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-meta/+bug/1934925
,
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2021-April/012055.html
)
- xfce4-appmenu-plugin
- xfce4-clipman-plugin

I'm +0 for both. I don't think there's much utility to
preinstalling these plugins. If we want to satisfy installing
them for the panel profiles app, we should extend the panel
profiles app to download the missing packages with PackageKit.

Yousuf is +1 as requester.

---

Games
(https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-meta/+bug/1916991
)

Remove: gnome-mines gnome-sudoku
Add: four-in-a-row gnome-chess gnome-nibbles quadrapassel

I'm +1 for these changes. Yousuf is also +1 as requester.

---

Thanks everyone!
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Re: [Team Vote] Various updates to the Xubuntu Seed

[Sean Davis]

It looks like we have enough votes to call some of these:

Add gnome-disk-utility:
+1 Myself
+1 Yousuf
+1 Krytarik
+1 Liz
OK!
 
Add baobab:
+1 Myself
+1 Yousuf
+1 Krytarik
+0 Liz

Add rhythmbox:
+1 Myself
+1 Yousuf
+1 Krytarik
+1 Liz
OK!

Add pragha:
+0 Myself
+0 Yousuf
+0 Krytarik
+0 Liz

Add xfce4-appmenu-plugin:
+0 Myself
+1 Yousuf
+0 Krytarik
+0 Liz

Add xfce4-clipman-plugin:
+0 Myself
+1 Yousuf
+1 Krytarik
+0 Liz

Remove gnome-mines gnome-sudoku, Add four-in-a-row gnome-chess gnome-nibbles 
quadrapassel:
+1 Myself
+1 Yousuf
-1 Krytarik
+1 Liz

Remove Pidgin:
+1 Myself
+1 Yousuf
+1 Krytarik
+1 Liz
OK!

We'll proceed with adding gnome-disk-utility and rhythmbox, while removing 
Pidgin. Thanks everybody voting so far!

On Thu, Jul 15, 2021, at 9:18 PM, Sean Davis wrote:
> I'm likewise in favor of removing Pidgin. Keep the votes coming! :)
> 
> On Thu, Jul 15, 2021, at 7:54 PM, Elizabeth K. Joseph wrote:
>> Thanks for collecting these in one place, Sean.
>> 
>> +1 on gnome-disk-utility
>> +0 on baobab
>> 
>> +1 on rhythmbox
>> 
>> +0 for the additional plugins
>> 
>> +1 for the games changes
>> 
>> Finally, I'd also be for removing pidgin. The time has passed.
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, Jul 15, 2021 at 2:56 AM Sean Davis  wrote:
>>> __
>>> Hey everyone, long time no chat! :)
>>> 
>>> There are a few discussions that have been opened up in recent months for 
>>> changes to the seed. I wanted to continue this discussion with some team 
>>> votes so we can move forward. With each of the discussions I've linked the 
>>> original ML and bug reports.
>>> 
>>> Xubuntu Team (https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-team/+members#active) 
>>> currently has 7 active members, so any proposal reaching 4 or more +1s from 
>>> the team is approved. Please take some time soon to submit your votes so 
>>> we're not all waiting in anticipation. 
>>> 
>>> ---
>>> 
>>> Addition of disk utilities 
>>> (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-meta/+bug/1934932, 
>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2020-March/011877.html)
>>> - gnome-disk-utility
>>> - baobab
>>> 
>>> I'm personally +1 for both. Yousuf is also +1 as requester.
>>> 
>>> ---
>>> 
>>> Addition of music player 
>>> (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-meta/+bug/1934926, 
>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2021-May/012062.html)
>>> - rhythmbox, or
>>> - pragha
>>> 
>>> I don't have a strong opinion here since I stream all of my music, but it 
>>> looks like there is community interest based on the mailing list. After 
>>> installing both and doing a quick comparison, my preference would be for 
>>> rhythmbox.
>>> 
>>> +1 rhythmbox
>>> +0 pragha
>>> 
>>> ---
>>> 
>>> Clipman and Appmenu Plugin, installed but not added to panel by default 
>>> (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-meta/+bug/1934925, 
>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2021-April/012055.html)
>>> - xfce4-appmenu-plugin
>>> - xfce4-clipman-plugin
>>> 
>>> I'm +0 for both. I don't think there's much utility to preinstalling these 
>>> plugins. If we want to satisfy installing them for the panel profiles app, 
>>> we should extend the panel profiles app to download the missing packages 
>>> with PackageKit.
>>> 
>>> Yousuf is +1 as requester.
>>> 
>>> ---
>>> 
>>> Games (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-meta/+bug/1916991)
>>> 
>>> Remove: gnome-mines gnome-sudoku
>>> Add: four-in-a-row gnome-chess gnome-nibbles quadrapassel
>>> 
>>> I'm +1 for these changes. Yousuf is also +1 as requester.
>>> 
>>> ---
>>> 
>>> Thanks everyone!
>>> -- 
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>>> xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com
>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
>> 
>> 
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Re: [Team Vote] Various updates to the Xubuntu Seed

[Sean Davis]

I'm likewise in favor of removing Pidgin. Keep the votes coming! :)

On Thu, Jul 15, 2021, at 7:54 PM, Elizabeth K. Joseph wrote:
> Thanks for collecting these in one place, Sean.
> 
> +1 on gnome-disk-utility
> +0 on baobab
> 
> +1 on rhythmbox
> 
> +0 for the additional plugins
> 
> +1 for the games changes
> 
> Finally, I'd also be for removing pidgin. The time has passed.
> 
> 
> On Thu, Jul 15, 2021 at 2:56 AM Sean Davis  wrote:
>> __
>> Hey everyone, long time no chat! :)
>> 
>> There are a few discussions that have been opened up in recent months for 
>> changes to the seed. I wanted to continue this discussion with some team 
>> votes so we can move forward. With each of the discussions I've linked the 
>> original ML and bug reports.
>> 
>> Xubuntu Team (https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-team/+members#active) currently 
>> has 7 active members, so any proposal reaching 4 or more +1s from the team 
>> is approved. Please take some time soon to submit your votes so we're not 
>> all waiting in anticipation. 
>> 
>> ---
>> 
>> Addition of disk utilities 
>> (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-meta/+bug/1934932, 
>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2020-March/011877.html)
>> - gnome-disk-utility
>> - baobab
>> 
>> I'm personally +1 for both. Yousuf is also +1 as requester.
>> 
>> ---
>> 
>> Addition of music player 
>> (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-meta/+bug/1934926, 
>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2021-May/012062.html)
>> - rhythmbox, or
>> - pragha
>> 
>> I don't have a strong opinion here since I stream all of my music, but it 
>> looks like there is community interest based on the mailing list. After 
>> installing both and doing a quick comparison, my preference would be for 
>> rhythmbox.
>> 
>> +1 rhythmbox
>> +0 pragha
>> 
>> ---
>> 
>> Clipman and Appmenu Plugin, installed but not added to panel by default 
>> (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-meta/+bug/1934925, 
>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2021-April/012055.html)
>> - xfce4-appmenu-plugin
>> - xfce4-clipman-plugin
>> 
>> I'm +0 for both. I don't think there's much utility to preinstalling these 
>> plugins. If we want to satisfy installing them for the panel profiles app, 
>> we should extend the panel profiles app to download the missing packages 
>> with PackageKit.
>> 
>> Yousuf is +1 as requester.
>> 
>> ---
>> 
>> Games (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-meta/+bug/1916991)
>> 
>> Remove: gnome-mines gnome-sudoku
>> Add: four-in-a-row gnome-chess gnome-nibbles quadrapassel
>> 
>> I'm +1 for these changes. Yousuf is also +1 as requester.
>> 
>> ---
>> 
>> Thanks everyone!
>> -- 
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>> xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com
>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
> 
> 
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Re: [Team Vote] Various updates to the Xubuntu Seed

[Elizabeth K. Joseph]

Thanks for collecting these in one place, Sean.

+1 on gnome-disk-utility
+0 on baobab

+1 on rhythmbox

+0 for the additional plugins

+1 for the games changes

Finally, I'd also be for removing pidgin. The time has passed.


On Thu, Jul 15, 2021 at 2:56 AM Sean Davis  wrote:

> Hey everyone, long time no chat! :)
>
> There are a few discussions that have been opened up in recent months for
> changes to the seed. I wanted to continue this discussion with some team
> votes so we can move forward. With each of the discussions I've linked the
> original ML and bug reports.
>
> Xubuntu Team (https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-team/+members#active)
> currently has 7 active members, so any proposal reaching 4 or more +1s from
> the team is approved. Please take some time soon to submit your votes so
> we're not all waiting in anticipation.
>
> ---
>
> Addition of disk utilities (
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-meta/+bug/1934932,
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2020-March/011877.html)
> - gnome-disk-utility
> - baobab
>
> I'm personally +1 for both. Yousuf is also +1 as requester.
>
> ---
>
> Addition of music player (
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-meta/+bug/1934926,
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2021-May/012062.html)
> - rhythmbox, or
> - pragha
>
> I don't have a strong opinion here since I stream all of my music, but it
> looks like there is community interest based on the mailing list. After
> installing both and doing a quick comparison, my preference would be for
> rhythmbox.
>
> +1 rhythmbox
> +0 pragha
>
> ---
>
> Clipman and Appmenu Plugin, installed but not added to panel by default (
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-meta/+bug/1934925,
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2021-April/012055.html)
> - xfce4-appmenu-plugin
> - xfce4-clipman-plugin
>
> I'm +0 for both. I don't think there's much utility to preinstalling these
> plugins. If we want to satisfy installing them for the panel profiles app,
> we should extend the panel profiles app to download the missing packages
> with PackageKit.
>
> Yousuf is +1 as requester.
>
> ---
>
> Games (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-meta/+bug/1916991
> )
>
> Remove: gnome-mines gnome-sudoku
> Add: four-in-a-row gnome-chess gnome-nibbles quadrapassel
>
> I'm +1 for these changes. Yousuf is also +1 as requester.
>
> ---
>
> Thanks everyone!
> --
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> xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
>


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Re: [Team Vote] Various updates to the Xubuntu Seed

[Yousuf Philips]

Hi Sean,

Thanks for pushing this forward.

+1 for rythmbox for me as well, as I mentioned that it was my
recommendation in the ML email.

Votes are also needed for the addition of the Arc and Numix Blue Gtk themes.
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-meta/+bug/1914424

@Michael, Krytarik: Sean forgot to share the mailing list link for the
games and as mentioned in my email, both mines and sudoku are available in
the SGT Puzzle Collections games app which is pre-bundled.
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2021-May/012056.html

@Krytarik: Thanks for mentioning the pidgin removal.

Regards,
Yousuf


On Thu, Jul 15, 2021 at 1:57 PM Sean Davis  wrote:

> Hey everyone, long time no chat! :)
>
> There are a few discussions that have been opened up in recent months for
> changes to the seed. I wanted to continue this discussion with some team
> votes so we can move forward. With each of the discussions I've linked the
> original ML and bug reports.
>
> Xubuntu Team (https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-team/+members#active)
> currently has 7 active members, so any proposal reaching 4 or more +1s from
> the team is approved. Please take some time soon to submit your votes so
> we're not all waiting in anticipation.
>
> ---
>
> Addition of disk utilities (
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-meta/+bug/1934932,
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2020-March/011877.html)
> - gnome-disk-utility
> - baobab
>
> I'm personally +1 for both. Yousuf is also +1 as requester.
>
> ---
>
> Addition of music player (
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-meta/+bug/1934926,
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2021-May/012062.html)
> - rhythmbox, or
> - pragha
>
> I don't have a strong opinion here since I stream all of my music, but it
> looks like there is community interest based on the mailing list. After
> installing both and doing a quick comparison, my preference would be for
> rhythmbox.
>
> +1 rhythmbox
> +0 pragha
>
> ---
>
> Clipman and Appmenu Plugin, installed but not added to panel by default (
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-meta/+bug/1934925,
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2021-April/012055.html)
> - xfce4-appmenu-plugin
> - xfce4-clipman-plugin
>
> I'm +0 for both. I don't think there's much utility to preinstalling these
> plugins. If we want to satisfy installing them for the panel profiles app,
> we should extend the panel profiles app to download the missing packages
> with PackageKit.
>
> Yousuf is +1 as requester.
>
> ---
>
> Games (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-meta/+bug/1916991
> )
>
> Remove: gnome-mines gnome-sudoku
> Add: four-in-a-row gnome-chess gnome-nibbles quadrapassel
>
> I'm +1 for these changes. Yousuf is also +1 as requester.
>
> ---
>
> Thanks everyone!
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Re: [Team Vote] Various updates to the Xubuntu Seed

[Michael Lueck]

Krytarik Raido wrote:

I just remembered the suggestion to remove Pidgin



+1 agree. IM servers are end of life.

I am thankful,

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Re: [Team Vote] Various updates to the Xubuntu Seed

[Krytarik Raido]

I just remembered the suggestion to remove Pidgin from the seed is also 
still pending, and I agree with Yousuf on the rationale there:


https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2021-May/012075.html

Regards,
Krytarik Raido

On 7/15/21 11:54 AM, Sean Davis wrote:

Hey everyone, long time no chat! :)

There are a few discussions that have been opened up in recent months 
for changes to the seed. I wanted to continue this discussion with 
some team votes so we can move forward. With each of the discussions 
I've linked the original ML and bug reports.


Xubuntu Team (https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-team/+members#active 
) currently has 7 
active members, so any proposal reaching 4 or more +1s from the team 
is approved. Please take some time soon to submit your votes so we're 
not all waiting in anticipation.


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Re: [Team Vote] Various updates to the Xubuntu Seed

[Krytarik Raido]

Votes and questions inline below...

On 7/15/21 11:54 AM, Sean Davis wrote:
Addition of disk utilities 
(https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-meta/+bug/1934932 
, 
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2020-March/011877.html 
)

- gnome-disk-utility
- baobab

I'm personally +1 for both. Yousuf is also +1 as requester.

Also +1 on both.

Addition of music player 
(https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-meta/+bug/1934926 
, 
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2021-May/012062.html 
)

- rhythmbox, or
- pragha

I don't have a strong opinion here since I stream all of my music, but 
it looks like there is community interest based on the mailing list. 
After installing both and doing a quick comparison, my preference 
would be for rhythmbox.


+1 rhythmbox
+0 pragha

Since I don't know Pragha yet, I'll follow Sean's assertion here.

Clipman and Appmenu Plugin, installed but not added to panel by 
default 
(https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-meta/+bug/1934925 
, 
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2021-April/012055.html 
)

- xfce4-appmenu-plugin
- xfce4-clipman-plugin

I'm +0 for both. I don't think there's much utility to preinstalling 
these plugins. If we want to satisfy installing them for the panel 
profiles app, we should extend the panel profiles app to download the 
missing packages with PackageKit.


Yousuf is +1 as requester.

+1 xfce4-clipman-plugin
+0 xfce4-appmenu-plugin

Games 
(https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-meta/+bug/1916991 
)


Remove: gnome-mines gnome-sudoku
Add: four-in-a-row gnome-chess gnome-nibbles quadrapassel

I'm +1 for these changes. Yousuf is also +1 as requester.
While I specifically don't see any rationale on removing two of the 
games we got currently, I don't feel particularly in favor of adding 
those listed either, so I'm -1 on this.
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Re: [Team Vote] Various updates to the Xubuntu Seed

[Michael Lueck]

Greetings Sean,

Sean Davis wrote:


Addition of disk utilities 
(https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-meta/+bug/1934932, 
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2020-March/011877.html)
- gnome-disk-utility
- baobab


I had never heard of either. Both earn +1 from me.

I thought for disk space usage I needed to rely on du -h only! Thanks for these 
suggestions!


Addition of music player 
(https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-meta/+bug/1934926, 
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2021-May/012062.html)
- rhythmbox, or
- pragha



+1 for rhythmbox


Clipman and Appmenu Plugin, installed but not added to panel by default (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-meta/+bug/1934925, 
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2021-April/012055.html)

- xfce4-appmenu-plugin
- xfce4-clipman-plugin



So I always add back the Application Menu and Actions Buttons items... Application Menu at the far left / Action Buttons at the far right... to bring back the Xubuntu what was it 12.04 look... when 
ever Ubuntu LTS did that Unity UI decision and I jumped (fled) from Gnome to Xfce! And I still add back to new Xubuntu installations the bottom panel that was present in that version useful icons, 
and I currently increase the workspaces to 16.


I do not add clipman, but I do know people who add it / make use of it.

I would say since the standard is to use Wiskers menu... I vote to leave the layout on the top bar alone, and to leave those two packages getting installed so they are convenient to simply add back to 
the panel.


Also I add System Load Monitor to my top bar / right side to keep an eye on 
CPU and memory use.



Games (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-meta/+bug/1916991)

Remove: gnome-mines gnome-sudoku
Add: four-in-a-row gnome-chess gnome-nibbles quadrapassel



"With all the work I have to do, I do not have time for games." Famous quote at 
the close of a David Barnes OS/2 commercial! ;-)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8SPhq-OJ1E


I suggest leave mines and sudoku present, OK for adding the suggested games.

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[Team Vote] Various updates to the Xubuntu Seed

[Sean Davis]

Hey everyone, long time no chat! :)

There are a few discussions that have been opened up in recent months for 
changes to the seed. I wanted to continue this discussion with some team votes 
so we can move forward. With each of the discussions I've linked the original 
ML and bug reports.

Xubuntu Team (https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-team/+members#active) currently 
has 7 active members, so any proposal reaching 4 or more +1s from the team is 
approved. Please take some time soon to submit your votes so we're not all 
waiting in anticipation. 

---

Addition of disk utilities 
(https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-meta/+bug/1934932, 
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2020-March/011877.html)
- gnome-disk-utility
- baobab

I'm personally +1 for both. Yousuf is also +1 as requester.

---

Addition of music player 
(https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-meta/+bug/1934926, 
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2021-May/012062.html)
- rhythmbox, or
- pragha

I don't have a strong opinion here since I stream all of my music, but it looks 
like there is community interest based on the mailing list. After installing 
both and doing a quick comparison, my preference would be for rhythmbox.

+1 rhythmbox
+0 pragha

---

Clipman and Appmenu Plugin, installed but not added to panel by default 
(https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-meta/+bug/1934925, 
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2021-April/012055.html)
- xfce4-appmenu-plugin
- xfce4-clipman-plugin

I'm +0 for both. I don't think there's much utility to preinstalling these 
plugins. If we want to satisfy installing them for the panel profiles app, we 
should extend the panel profiles app to download the missing packages with 
PackageKit.

Yousuf is +1 as requester.

---

Games (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-meta/+bug/1916991)

Remove: gnome-mines gnome-sudoku
Add: four-in-a-row gnome-chess gnome-nibbles quadrapassel

I'm +1 for these changes. Yousuf is also +1 as requester.

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I'm waiting for a BeagleV  which is a
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source hardware to finally be free.

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> I have proposed the addition of clipman to be included in the panel by
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> experience by having access to the clipboard history, and Sean has asked
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> Hello Yousuf and others,
>
> as Sean requested a *team* vote should be conducted on this, not a
> community vote. This means everybody in the Xubuntu team [1] has a vote
> to cast.
>
> Others are obviously free to voice their opinions and if they are well
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> >
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> > asked that this be voted on. So, please let your vote be known.
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Re: Vote for clipman in panel

[Pasi Lallinaho]

Hello Yousuf and others,

as Sean requested a *team* vote should be conducted on this, not a 
community vote. This means everybody in the Xubuntu team [1] has a vote 
to cast.


Others are obviously free to voice their opinions and if they are well 
argumented, will likely be taken into account by the team members.


Cheers,
Pasi

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On 31.5.2021 13.31, Yousuf Philips wrote:

Hi Team,

I have proposed the addition of clipman to be included in the panel by 
default, to fix X11's clipboard clearing bug and to improve the user 
experience by having access to the clipboard history, and Sean has 
asked that this be voted on. So, please let your vote be known.


https://github.com/Xubuntu/xubuntu-default-settings/pull/15 



Regards,
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Vote for clipman in panel

[Yousuf Philips]

Hi Team,

I have proposed the addition of clipman to be included in the panel by
default, to fix X11's clipboard clearing bug and to improve the user
experience by having access to the clipboard history, and Sean has asked
that this be voted on. So, please let your vote be known.

https://github.com/Xubuntu/xubuntu-default-settings/pull/15

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IRC move to libera chat

[Yousuf Philips]

Hi Team,

Just wanted to inform everyone that the move to libera chat is done and
freenode decided to shutdown the old #xubuntu-devel and redirect it to
##xubuntu-devel[1].

I've updated most of the IRC links on the website, but if you notice any
still going to freenode, please let me know[2].

Patches have been sent in to fix IRC on the installer slides[3] and hexchat
[4].

[1] https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2021/05/26/%23xubuntu-devel.txt
[2] https://github.com/Xubuntu/xubuntu-website/issues/20
[3]
https://github.com/Xubuntu/xubuntu-default-settings/pull/20/commits/307a83168c9120acff494ed3c3cf2b3934c53c2e
[4] https://github.com/Xubuntu/ubiquity-slideshow-xubuntu/pull/3

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Re: Removal of pidgin

[notebook]

I didn't follow the whole conversation.

Perhaps it's a good idea to start a vote on this topic somewhere with numbers, 
instead of many mails going back and forth.

Regards
Chris


On 2021/05/25 1:10, Yousuf Philips wrote:

I use telegram, which works independently on a phone and desktop, so I never 
have to grab my phone for IM.

Regards,
Yousuf


On Mon, May 24, 2021 at 4:19 PM Michael Lueck mailto:mlu...@lueckdatasystems.com>> wrote:

Greetings,

Yousuf Philips wrote:
 >
 > I'm suggesting again that we remove Pidgin


Sadly +1 here.

I miss the days of desktop IM. It is annoying to me that I must grab for my 
phone now to IM ping someone.

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Re: Removal of pidgin

[Yousuf Philips]

I use telegram, which works independently on a phone and desktop, so I
never have to grab my phone for IM.

Regards,
Yousuf


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> Greetings,
>
> Yousuf Philips wrote:
> >
> > I'm suggesting again that we remove Pidgin
>
>
> Sadly +1 here.
>
> I miss the days of desktop IM. It is annoying to me that I must grab for
> my phone now to IM ping someone.
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Xubuntu for risc-v needed

[Joel Carlson]

RISC-V development boards and computers are coming very fast- probably by
September 2021. I would like to be part of that group and have started a
risc-v group at LinuxFestNorthwest. Joel

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> > I have preferred thunderbird to evolution in the past. But at the same
> > time I haven't tried thunderbird in a while.
> >
> > Maybe a mad suggestion, one out of left field. But what about removing
> all
> > the games?
> >
> >
> > On Sat 22 May 2021, 11:15 Martin Sjöstrand, 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> How come Thunderbird is the standard email-client? Not that it's bad,
> >> but I recently switched to Evolution, and I find that it fits better in
> >> Xubuntu theme-wise than Thunderbird. And in my own humble opinion I
> >> also find it easier to get an overview in Evolution than in
> >> Thunderbird.
> >> I'm not suggesting that Xubuntu should come with Evolution, I'm just
> >> curious of the reasons behind using Thunderbird.
> >>
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Re: Removal of pidgin

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Greetings,

Yousuf Philips wrote:


I'm suggesting again that we remove Pidgin



Sadly +1 here.

I miss the days of desktop IM. It is annoying to me that I must grab for my 
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Re: Question about reasons behind Thunderbird

[Yousuf Philips]

Hi Eric,

Regarding removal of all games, I wouldn't suggest it. My suggestion of how
to improve games was sent to the ML two weeks ago.
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2021-May/012056.html

Regards,
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> I have preferred thunderbird to evolution in the past. But at the same
> time I haven't tried thunderbird in a while.
>
> Maybe a mad suggestion, one out of left field. But what about removing all
> the games?
>
>
> On Sat 22 May 2021, 11:15 Martin Sjöstrand, 
> wrote:
>
>> How come Thunderbird is the standard email-client? Not that it's bad,
>> but I recently switched to Evolution, and I find that it fits better in
>> Xubuntu theme-wise than Thunderbird. And in my own humble opinion I
>> also find it easier to get an overview in Evolution than in
>> Thunderbird.
>> I'm not suggesting that Xubuntu should come with Evolution, I'm just
>> curious of the reasons behind using Thunderbird.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Martin
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Re:Removal of pidgin

[wojiushixxx]

Hi,




I can't agree with you more.
















At 2021-05-22 16:00:00, "Yousuf Philips"  wrote:

Hi Team,


With the addition of HexChat in 20.04 as the primary chat app to support our 
default support medium, I'm suggesting again that we remove Pidgin as part of 
the research I did[1]. Pidgin's usefulness has dropped steadily over the years 
since previous chat protocols like MSN, Yahoo Messenger and Google Talk are no 
longer around or no longer supported and it takes up 35,730kb of installed 
space. It also isn't bundled by any of the flavors or any Xfce distro other 
than Manjaro.


[1] 
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/145vm29WnxgYm4Y_8guaGDAblZT5sRjZ3jhKRktgX1No/edit#gid=0



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Re: Question about reasons behind Thunderbird

[Martin Sjöstrand]

Nah, I did'nt mean to express my personal opinions, I was just curious
about why Thunderbird is the default email-client. And, ok, ofc I can
have a personal opinion about Thunderbird vs Evolution, but I'm not
questioning the fact that Xubuntu comes with Thunderbird. And I think I
kept myself within the boundries of XFCE/Xubuntu... 
/Martin
lör 2021-05-22 klockan 11:56 +0100 skrev Zahid Rahman:
> As we are expressing opinions on personal  preferences and I am 
> impressed with one too.
> Ubuntu-mate, I came across it recently , is by far the best ubuntu 
> desktop compare to all the rest in many many ways including any
> fedora or mint or  any other *nix may have to offer.
> 
> It is noticeably fast even compare to gnome.
> 
> 
> 
> Z.
> 
> Jakarta EE Application Developer skill challenge
> 
> https://lit-taiga-52898.herokuapp.com/
> 
> https://www.backbutton.org
> https://www.backbutton.co.uk/
> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
> ♡۶♡۶ ♡۶
> 
> On Sat, 22 May 2021, 11:15 Martin Sjöstrand,  > wrote:
> > How come Thunderbird is the standard email-client? Not that it's
> > bad,
> > 
> > but I recently switched to Evolution, and I find that it fits
> > better in
> > 
> > Xubuntu theme-wise than Thunderbird. And in my own humble opinion I
> > 
> > also find it easier to get an overview in Evolution than in
> > 
> > Thunderbird. 
> > 
> > I'm not suggesting that Xubuntu should come with Evolution, I'm
> > just
> > 
> > curious of the reasons behind using Thunderbird.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Regards
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Martin
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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Re: Question about reasons behind Thunderbird

[Martin Sjöstrand]

So, I guess those are the reasons then! I was just curious. as I said.

/Martin

lör 2021-05-22 klockan 16:21 +0530 skrev Amit Bidkar:
>   Martin Sjöstrand wrote:
> 
> > I find that it fits better in Xubuntu theme-wise than Thunderbird
> 
> I never use XFCE as eye candy.  Thunderbird offers more feature, 
> performance, security and stability than others. Evolution is like
> GNOME 
> software.
> 
> Thanks,
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Re: Question about reasons behind Thunderbird

[Eric Curtin]

Meant *I haven't tried evolution in a while


On Sat 22 May 2021, 11:20 Eric Curtin,  wrote:

> I have preferred thunderbird to evolution in the past. But at the same
> time I haven't tried thunderbird in a while.
>
> Maybe a mad suggestion, one out of left field. But what about removing all
> the games?
>
>
> On Sat 22 May 2021, 11:15 Martin Sjöstrand, 
> wrote:
>
>> How come Thunderbird is the standard email-client? Not that it's bad,
>> but I recently switched to Evolution, and I find that it fits better in
>> Xubuntu theme-wise than Thunderbird. And in my own humble opinion I
>> also find it easier to get an overview in Evolution than in
>> Thunderbird.
>> I'm not suggesting that Xubuntu should come with Evolution, I'm just
>> curious of the reasons behind using Thunderbird.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Martin
>>
>>
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Re: Question about reasons behind Thunderbird

[Zahid Rahman]

As we are expressing opinions on personal  preferences and I am  impressed
with one too.

Ubuntu-mate, I came across it recently , is by far the best ubuntu  desktop
compare to all the rest in many many ways including any fedora or mint or
any other *nix may have to offer.

It is noticeably fast even compare to gnome.



Z.

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On Sat, 22 May 2021, 11:15 Martin Sjöstrand, 
wrote:

> How come Thunderbird is the standard email-client? Not that it's bad,
> but I recently switched to Evolution, and I find that it fits better in
> Xubuntu theme-wise than Thunderbird. And in my own humble opinion I
> also find it easier to get an overview in Evolution than in
> Thunderbird.
> I'm not suggesting that Xubuntu should come with Evolution, I'm just
> curious of the reasons behind using Thunderbird.
>
> Regards
>
> Martin
>
>
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> xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com
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