[zbmethod] Re: Motivation and balance
Correction: +mirrors only, I counted inverses separately. I can generate the algs and give an average move statistic on this using ACube. It would take ACube less than 1 minute on my newest machine to generate. It would take me like 5-10 minutes all together to report on my findings. Right now I'm at home for Thanksgiving, and besides my computer on campus has a busted chipset fan. I'll get on it over the weekend. This seems like something I am used to doing though. I recently generated a huge alg set for the sq-1, this type of stuff is right up my alley. -Doug --- In zbmethod@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Bennett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That's a lot better than my quick guesstimate. Thanks. Now, any > ideas on how to find the algs for the exact cases, or the average move > count for them? If it's really only 31 cases+inverses and mirrors, I > would be very interested in learning them. Especially considering how > many of those I know already, like the 3 PLL's and the 3 cases > permuting M slice pieces only. Thanks for your help. > > -Mike > team [zb] > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/u8TY5A/tzNLAA/yQLSAA/MXMplB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/zbmethod/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[zbmethod] progress!!
Hey everyone, I've been working on just transformation solves lately, and have not been timing myself. I'm trying to learn to recognize the T cases without having to AUF. It's awesome, I'm actually getting to the point where I can recognize fairly quickly cases 5 and 6 without evening having to AUF. I haven't timed myself yet, but I think my delays are getting shorter. I'm also getting more comfortable at recognizing the cases I'm already comfortable with, but without AUF at first. Once I can comfortably identify without having to adjust the U face, I'm going top get started with the U algs again. I was getting discouraged at how hard this might be, but with more practice it is getting easier! Heh heh ZB is such a roller coaster sometimes, but it's still fun! Chris Team [ZB] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/MXMplB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/zbmethod/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[zbmethod] Re: A database
--- In zbmethod@yahoogroups.com, "cmhardw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I can go back through and count the cases I know instead. For this > database are you guys more interested in the percentage of cases > known, or the chance for a 1 look LL? > > Chris I suppose it probably makes more sense to list the probability for a 1 look LL, as opposed to the percentage of algs known, because the probability has some practical application. I just ammended my entry. The only real problem is that I'm not really certain the probabilities on some of them. I think my new entry more accurately reflects the probabilities now. I have a 6% or so chance for just a PLL after my F2L, based on some corner orientation. This will be a good way to track everyone's progress. I suppose I should go learn some more ZBF2L... -Mike team [zb] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 1.2 million kids a year are victims of human trafficking. Stop slavery. http://us.click.yahoo.com/WpTY2A/izNLAA/yQLSAA/MXMplB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/zbmethod/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[zbmethod] Re: Motivation and balance
--- In zbmethod@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Ignoring the solved case and counting mirrors together but inverses > distinct... > > First off, I looked at the number of totally distinct cases, that'd be > 6!/2 = 360. Exploiting two planes of symmetry that gives 90 cases > while exploiting 4 planes of symmetry gives 15 cases. > > But that was just to get a rough estimate so that I know that my > answer is going to be between 14 and 79. Some cases are self-mirrors > that shouldn't be counted twice and some cases have more or less > symmetry than others... a bit of a mess trying to apply Burnside's > Lemma on. > > So then I broke it up into categories: > There are 8 cases involving a 5-edge cycle. > There are 7 cases involving a 4-edge cycle and a 2-edge cycle. > There are 6 cases involving two disjoint 3-edge cycles. > There are 4 cases involving a single 3-edge cycle. > There are 6 cases involving two disjoint 2-edge cycles. > There is the solved case. > > Thus I conclude that there are 31 cases not counting the solved case. > Also 3 of the algs needed are from PLL, so it's really only 28 algs to > memorize, some of which maybe inverse of each other. > > That is a quick count, nothing rigorous... see if you can find any > flaws in my reasoning. > > > -Doug That's a lot better than my quick guesstimate. Thanks. Now, any ideas on how to find the algs for the exact cases, or the average move count for them? If it's really only 31 cases+inverses and mirrors, I would be very interested in learning them. Especially considering how many of those I know already, like the 3 PLL's and the 3 cases permuting M slice pieces only. Thanks for your help. -Mike team [zb] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/MXMplB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/zbmethod/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[zbmethod] Weird dream
Hey all... I actually had this weird dream in which somebody suggested to me that I slow down because I'm learning too much too fast and that my times will slow down too much if I continue to learn. I thought this was very very strange, but I am going to keep on learning anyway. ;) ~ Bob Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/MXMplB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/zbmethod/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[zbmethod] Re: A database
For the VHF2L column, that is knowing the 32 "tricks" on Dan Harris' site. This is some sort of intermediate for ZBF2L. ~ Bob --- In zbmethod@yahoogroups.com, "cmhardw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I also didn't know what to do about the VHF2L column, as I never > really learned exactly how it works. I just put 0%, since I figure if > I don't even know how exactly one uses it, then I don't know it. > > I guess I should change my ZBLL %, since that's not really the number > of cases I know, but my chance for a 1 look LL, and even then it's > only an estimate. > > I count the chance for a PLL skip after COLL as a "ZBLL" case, but I > don't count all the cases where I know whether to use the L or R > reflection of an alg on the same RL symmetric COLL case to be more > likely to get a ZBLL solve. > > I can go back through and count the cases I know instead. For this > database are you guys more interested in the percentage of cases > known, or the chance for a 1 look LL? > > Chris > > --- In zbmethod@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Thanks Bob! > > > > Made me sit down and count up the cases I know w.r.t the > > probabilities. I was ONE case away from knowing more than Chris (at > > least on paper) for ZBLL. I was a bit suprised at the high percentages > > here. So anyhow I decided to learn one more case: "T1 with edges H". > > > > That did the trick and tipped the scale :). > > > > Anything to bring out our competitive natures. > > > > Not sure how VHF2L would be defined so I'm not sure what that column > > really means. > > > > I hope everybody did the case counts with factoring in the > > probabilities of occurance. I think that would be a better comparison > > value. > > > > > > -Doug > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/MXMplB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/zbmethod/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[zbmethod] Re: A database
I also didn't know what to do about the VHF2L column, as I never really learned exactly how it works. I just put 0%, since I figure if I don't even know how exactly one uses it, then I don't know it. I guess I should change my ZBLL %, since that's not really the number of cases I know, but my chance for a 1 look LL, and even then it's only an estimate. I count the chance for a PLL skip after COLL as a "ZBLL" case, but I don't count all the cases where I know whether to use the L or R reflection of an alg on the same RL symmetric COLL case to be more likely to get a ZBLL solve. I can go back through and count the cases I know instead. For this database are you guys more interested in the percentage of cases known, or the chance for a 1 look LL? Chris --- In zbmethod@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Thanks Bob! > > Made me sit down and count up the cases I know w.r.t the > probabilities. I was ONE case away from knowing more than Chris (at > least on paper) for ZBLL. I was a bit suprised at the high percentages > here. So anyhow I decided to learn one more case: "T1 with edges H". > > That did the trick and tipped the scale :). > > Anything to bring out our competitive natures. > > Not sure how VHF2L would be defined so I'm not sure what that column > really means. > > I hope everybody did the case counts with factoring in the > probabilities of occurance. I think that would be a better comparison > value. > > > -Doug > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/MXMplB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/zbmethod/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[zbmethod] Re: A database
Thanks Bob! Made me sit down and count up the cases I know w.r.t the probabilities. I was ONE case away from knowing more than Chris (at least on paper) for ZBLL. I was a bit suprised at the high percentages here. So anyhow I decided to learn one more case: "T1 with edges H". That did the trick and tipped the scale :). Anything to bring out our competitive natures. Not sure how VHF2L would be defined so I'm not sure what that column really means. I hope everybody did the case counts with factoring in the probabilities of occurance. I think that would be a better comparison value. -Doug --- In zbmethod@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Burton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hey all, > > I created a database for people to update their progress in learning > ZB by showing how much they know for certain aspects of ZB. > > ~ Bob > Team [zb] > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 1.2 million kids a year are victims of human trafficking. Stop slavery. http://us.click.yahoo.com/WpTY2A/izNLAA/yQLSAA/MXMplB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/zbmethod/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[zbmethod] Re: Motivation and balance
Ignoring the solved case and counting mirrors together but inverses distinct... First off, I looked at the number of totally distinct cases, that'd be 6!/2 = 360. Exploiting two planes of symmetry that gives 90 cases while exploiting 4 planes of symmetry gives 15 cases. But that was just to get a rough estimate so that I know that my answer is going to be between 14 and 79. Some cases are self-mirrors that shouldn't be counted twice and some cases have more or less symmetry than others... a bit of a mess trying to apply Burnside's Lemma on. So then I broke it up into categories: There are 8 cases involving a 5-edge cycle. There are 7 cases involving a 4-edge cycle and a 2-edge cycle. There are 6 cases involving two disjoint 3-edge cycles. There are 4 cases involving a single 3-edge cycle. There are 6 cases involving two disjoint 2-edge cycles. There is the solved case. Thus I conclude that there are 31 cases not counting the solved case. Also 3 of the algs needed are from PLL, so it's really only 28 algs to memorize, some of which maybe inverse of each other. That is a quick count, nothing rigorous... see if you can find any flaws in my reasoning. -Doug --- In zbmethod@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Bennett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Can someone help me work out the number of possible combinations for > when there are 1x3x4 blocks on the sides, all four U layer corners > correct, and the final 6 edges and centers oriented? I'd really like > to know, to see if this is a strategy worth pursuing. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/MXMplB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/zbmethod/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
