Re: [zfs-discuss] Good tower server for around 1,250 USD?
On 3/24/2012 4:54 PM, The Honorable Senator and Mrs. John Blutarsky wrote: laotsu said: well check this link https://shop.oracle.com/pls/ostore/product?p1=3DSunFireX4270M2serverp2=3Dp= 3=3Dp4=3Dsc=3Docom_x86_SunFireX4270M2servertz=3D-4:00 you may not like the price Hahahah! Thanks for the laugh. The dual 10Gbe PCI card breaks my budget. I'm not going to try to configure a server and see how much it costs... I can't even get to the site from my country btw. I had to use a proxy through my company in America to get pricing. Oracle doesn't want to sell certain things everywhere or they don't know how to run a website. ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss I posted this awhile ago when people were asking for a good recommendation. I suggest pretty much any of the IBM stuff - the vast majority of them seem to have real good compatibility (excepting the ServeRAID controllers) with Solaris/IllumOS. The baseboard controllers are usually some flavor of well-supported SATA or LSI SAS controller. They're otherwise quite well put together, and parts are easy to come by (and, IBM's support site for information is fabulous, even if you DON'T have a contract). You can get reconditioned/used stuff for real check, and it's even possible to get support for IBM-label stuff if it's not out of warranty (or, buy a new warranty, if you so want, from your local IBM reseller, of which there are a lot, world-wide). You can also likely get a Solaris contract for this, either through IBM or through Oracle (that is, if Oracle hasn't completely stopped selling support contracts for Solaris for non-Oracle hardware already). I personally own an X3500, which uses E5[1,3]00-series CPUs (dual or quad-core) and DDR2 RAM. They usually come with a systems management card (or you can get one for cheap, under $50). Parts are easy to come by, cheap, and covered by any IBM warranty if you buy a IBM-labeled part (even if it was a 3rd party, non-authorized reseller that sold you the part). The X3500 and X3500 M2, plus the X3400 or X3400 M2 are likely your best bets. The IBM Xref for Withdrawn Hardware is an excellent place to start to look for a compatible system (plus give you the IBM part numbers for everything): http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/abstracts/redpxref.html Here's what you want for under $1000: http://www.ebay.com/itm/IBM-x3500-Tower-2x-Quad-Core-2-66GHz-8GB-4x73GB-8K-Raid-/140730930501?pt=COMP_EN_Servershash=item20c4379545 Cheaper, and better CPU, but smaller: http://www.ebay.com/itm/IBM-x3400-M3-737942U-5U-Tower-Entry-level-Server-Intel-Xeon-E5507-2-26-GHz-/390390337076?pt=COMP_EN_Servershash=item5ae513ce34 -Erik ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] Good tower server for around 1,250 USD?
In message 4f7571de.7080...@netdemons.com, Erik Trimble writes: Oracle (that is, if Oracle hasn't completely stopped selling support contracts for Solaris for non-Oracle hardware already). Still available on Oracle Store: URL:https://shop.oracle.com/pls/ostore/f?p=dstore:product:2091882785479247::NO:RP,6:P6_LPI:27242443094470222098916 John groenv...@acm.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] Good tower server for around 1,250 USD?
In message alpine.gso.2.01.1203221338170.23...@freddy.simplesystems.org, Bob Friesenhahn writes: Almost all of the systems listed on the HCL are defunct and no longer purchasable except for on the used market. Obtaining an approved system seems very difficult. In spite of this, Solaris runs very well on many non-approved modern systems. URL:http://www.oracle.com/webfolder/technetwork/hcl/data/s11ga/systems/views/nonoracle_systems_all_results.mfg.page1.html I don't know what that means as far as the ability to purchase Solaris support. I believe it must pass the HCTS before Oracle will support Solaris running on third-party hardware. URL:http://www.oracle.com/webfolder/technetwork/hcl/hcts/index.html John groenv...@acm.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] Good tower server for around 1,250 USD?
2012-03-24 2:02, Bob Friesenhahn wrote: On Fri, 23 Mar 2012, The Honorable Senator and Mrs. John Blutarsky wrote: Obtaining an approved system seems very difficult. Because of the list being out of date and so the systems are no longer available, or because systems available now don't show up on the list? Sun was slow to update the list and it is not clear if Oracle updates the list at all. great. After reading the horror stories on the list I don't want to take a chance and buy the wrong machine and then have ZFS fail or Oracle tell me they don't support the machine. I can't answer for Oracle. There may be a chicken-and-egg problem since Oracle might not want to answer speculative questions but might be more concrete if you have a system in hand. I think it is just not interesting for Oracle to support random 3rd party systems - and this is my personal speculation based on news articles and stories and screams on forums from ex-Sun customers and small partners driven out of business by Oracle's different priorities in different areas - systems support, sunray deployments, messaging/portal infrastructures - you name it. For over a year there was even a problem to just buy Oracle's Sun products - the salespeople in remaining Oracle partners or in Oracle offices could not point to a position in a price list and state how much something costs, or if it is on sale anymore. Oracle tries to take place as a systems company. A big systems company. They cut off many small-server product lines which had little margin - and we really liked those smaller ones with low price and excellent remote manageability. According to rumours, they did not prolong Solaris support agreements with other hardware vendors such as HP (or Dell?) which Sun had for a while. Why bother supporting something cooked out-of-the-house? Oracle seems interested in selling their customers the whole stack - rack, servers, software - and maintaining it themselves, reaping the high profits and selling support year after year. If this does not fit a particular customer's vision or budget - then begone, nasty poor people! Well, this is their right. They bought it. And we others have to play along. So, I think, in the near future there will be no actual HCL for Solaris support on non-Oracle branded hardware. You might buy Solaris OS support on your third-party systems, I heard it is around $1000 per socket (per year?) for smaller systems and maybe more for larger systems, and Oracle might inquire what other systems you have - so they might bargain to get more out of you ;) Possibly this might also be done to see if your hardware is supportable and if they want to sign the deal. I guess if they do sell you support, they might be feeling a bit obliged to help with your OS problems. At least if the bugs you find make it higher up in their internal invisible bug tracker. At least that was the way in Sun days - most problems had to get economical justification for higher managenent to assign paid-for resources to its solution (consultants, analysts, coders - whoever). But I wouldn't expect that they'd conjure up drivers for your specific hardware or something like that, if it is different from what they support today. That's more likely to happen in opensourced systems by porting from BSD, etc. into Solaris and/or OpenSolaris-derivate systems, without any guarantees. Many 3rd-party network drivers are available as such projects. So, I think, an old Solaris HCL might be okay for things to just work. Whether anyone will officially support that - is a different matter. Google up the specific components like disk and network controllers to see if their drivers were not obsoleted in recent years of OpenSolaris development. Some older hardware has indeed lost support because nobody used or sold it for ages, and driver models evolved and changed, and nobody rewrote a new driver for a particular piece of old junk ;) Alternatively, dive into an open-sourced system like illumos and its OpenIndiana distribution. I'm not sure that you'll have any better support either, but the code is open so you can (hire someone to) solve your particular problems. And there's some activity in the mailing list to ask away :) You might also revise Nexenta HCL, they might do a better job at maintaining (and testing) current hardware lists that are known to work (and be officially supported) with their OpenSolars-based storage OS distribution. Since they play a big role in illumos, their known-good HCL might be quite relevant for OpenIndiana users in general, I think :) Good luck, really! //Jim ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] Good tower server for around 1,250 USD?
This is a very nice chasis IMHO for a desktop machine: http://www.supermicro.com/products/chassis/4U/743/SC743TQ-865-SQ.cfm I use it for my workstation at work. Supermicro makes very high quality chasis. I got this for under $300 USD when I bought mine. You can also get rails and take off its feet and it can double as a 4u rackmount case which is cool as well. Will take EATX (server boards) and 8 hot swap disks with SATA/SAS backplain. Very quiet and keeps disks cool. My drives in normal office temp are 34C coolest and 36C hottest so very reasonable temps. I use it with an X8DTH motherboard and 24 GB of ram and 6 core xeon CPU. Also dual gtx 260 video cards (to drive my 3 monitors that need four DVI links to run). Only during long periods of gaming would the machine ramp up its PSU fan (and actually get what I would consider not extremely quiet) and was otherwise nearly silent during regular usage. On 03/22/2012 11:30 AM, The Honorable Senator and Mrs. John Blutarsky wrote: Ladies and Gentlemen, I'm thinking about spending around 1,250 USD for a tower format (desk side) server with RAM but without disks. I'd like to have 16G ECC RAM as a minimum and ideally 2 or 3 times that amount and I'd like for the case to have room for at least 6 drives, more would be better but not essential. I want to run Solaris 10 and possibly upgrade to Solaris 11 if I like it. Right now I have nothing to run Solaris 11 on and I know Solaris 10 well enough to know it will do what I want. This will be a do-everything machine. I will use it for development, hosting various apps in zones (web, file server, mail server etc.) and running other systems (like a Solaris 11 test system) in VirtualBox. Ultimately I would like to put it under Solaris support so I am looking for something officially approved. The problem is there are so many systems on the HCL I don't know where to begin. One of the Supermicro super workstations looks good and I know they have good a reputation but Dell has better sales channels where I live and I could get one of those or even an HP more easily than a Supermicro as far as I know. I will be checking more on this. I have a bunch of white box systems but I don't know anybody capable of building a server grade box so I'm probably going to buy off the shelf. Can anybody tell me is what I am looking for going to be available at this price point and if not, what should I expect to pay? If you have experience with any of the commodity server towers good or bad with Solaris and ZFS I'd like to hear your opinions. I am refraining for asking for advice on drives because I see the list has a few thousand posts archived on this topic and until I go over some of those I don't want to ask about that subject just yet. Thanks for the help. ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] Good tower server for around 1,250 USD?
On Sat, 24 Mar 2012, Sandon Van Ness wrote: This is a very nice chasis IMHO for a desktop machine: http://www.supermicro.com/products/chassis/4U/743/SC743TQ-865-SQ.cfm I own the same chassis. However, when the system was delivered, it was quite loud. The problem was isolated to using the crummy fans that Intel provided with the CPUs. By replacing the Intel fans with better quality fans, now the system is whisper quiet. My system has two 6-core Xeons (E5649) with 48GB of RAM. It is able to run OpenIndiana quite well but is being used to run Linux as a desktop system. Bob -- Bob Friesenhahn bfrie...@simple.dallas.tx.us, http://www.simplesystems.org/users/bfriesen/ GraphicsMagick Maintainer,http://www.GraphicsMagick.org/ ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] Good tower server for around 1,250 USD?
laotsu said: well check this link https://shop.oracle.com/pls/ostore/product?p1=3DSunFireX4270M2serverp2=3Dp= 3=3Dp4=3Dsc=3Docom_x86_SunFireX4270M2servertz=3D-4:00 you may not like the price Hahahah! Thanks for the laugh. The dual 10Gbe PCI card breaks my budget. I'm not going to try to configure a server and see how much it costs... I can't even get to the site from my country btw. I had to use a proxy through my company in America to get pricing. Oracle doesn't want to sell certain things everywhere or they don't know how to run a website. ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] Good tower server for around 1,250 USD?
Bob Friesenhahn bfrie...@simple.dallas.tx.us wrote: On Thu, 22 Mar 2012, The Honorable Senator and Mrs. John Blutarsky wrote: This will be a do-everything machine. I will use it for development, hosting various apps in zones (web, file server, mail server etc.) and running other systems (like a Solaris 11 test system) in VirtualBox. Ultimately I would like to put it under Solaris support so I am looking for something officially approved. The problem is there are so many systems on the HCL I don't know where to begin. One of the Supermicro super workstations looks Almost all of the systems listed on the HCL are defunct and no longer purchasable except for on the used market. In my third world country some of these are still found new in box and sold at just released prices. I'm surprised to hear about the state of the HCL, but that is good info to be aware of. Why aren't they maintaining it? If you can find a system can you at least depend on their statement that they support it? Or is even that unknown? I would think if somebody buys a 5 year old new server based on them showing Premier support available and then they refuse to support it there would be the possibility of interesting legal action. Obtaining an approved system seems very difficult. Because of the list being out of date and so the systems are no longer available, or because systems available now don't show up on the list? In spite of this, Solaris runs very well on many non-approved modern systems. Yes, I have entitlements from Sun so I am running an Update 8 box on a custom build with no problems. It wasn't built for Solaris or ZFS but works great. After reading the horror stories on the list I don't want to take a chance and buy the wrong machine and then have ZFS fail or Oracle tell me they don't support the machine. Thanks for your post. ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] Good tower server for around 1,250 USD?
On Fri Mar 23 at 10:06:12 2012 laot...@gmail.com wrote: well use component of x4170m2 as example you will be ok intel cpu lsi sas controller non raid sas 72rpm hdd my 2c That sounds too vague to be useful unless I could afford an X4170M2. I can't build a custom box and I don't have the resources to go over the parts list and order something with the same components. Thanks though. ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] Good tower server for around 1,250 USD?
well check this link https://shop.oracle.com/pls/ostore/product?p1=SunFireX4270M2serverp2=p3=p4=sc=ocom_x86_SunFireX4270M2servertz=-4:00 you may not like the price Sent from my iPad On Mar 23, 2012, at 17:16, The Honorable Senator and Mrs. John Blutarskybl...@nymph.paranoici.org wrote: On Fri Mar 23 at 10:06:12 2012 laot...@gmail.com wrote: well use component of x4170m2 as example you will be ok intel cpu lsi sas controller non raid sas 72rpm hdd my 2c That sounds too vague to be useful unless I could afford an X4170M2. I can't build a custom box and I don't have the resources to go over the parts list and order something with the same components. Thanks though. ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] Good tower server for around 1,250 USD?
On Fri, 23 Mar 2012, The Honorable Senator and Mrs. John Blutarsky wrote: Obtaining an approved system seems very difficult. Because of the list being out of date and so the systems are no longer available, or because systems available now don't show up on the list? Sun was slow to update the list and it is not clear if Oracle updates the list at all. great. After reading the horror stories on the list I don't want to take a chance and buy the wrong machine and then have ZFS fail or Oracle tell me they don't support the machine. I can't answer for Oracle. There may be a chicken-and-egg problem since Oracle might not want to answer speculative questions but might be more concrete if you have a system in hand. Bob -- Bob Friesenhahn bfrie...@simple.dallas.tx.us, http://www.simplesystems.org/users/bfriesen/ GraphicsMagick Maintainer,http://www.GraphicsMagick.org/ ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
[zfs-discuss] Good tower server for around 1,250 USD?
Ladies and Gentlemen, I'm thinking about spending around 1,250 USD for a tower format (desk side) server with RAM but without disks. I'd like to have 16G ECC RAM as a minimum and ideally 2 or 3 times that amount and I'd like for the case to have room for at least 6 drives, more would be better but not essential. I want to run Solaris 10 and possibly upgrade to Solaris 11 if I like it. Right now I have nothing to run Solaris 11 on and I know Solaris 10 well enough to know it will do what I want. This will be a do-everything machine. I will use it for development, hosting various apps in zones (web, file server, mail server etc.) and running other systems (like a Solaris 11 test system) in VirtualBox. Ultimately I would like to put it under Solaris support so I am looking for something officially approved. The problem is there are so many systems on the HCL I don't know where to begin. One of the Supermicro super workstations looks good and I know they have good a reputation but Dell has better sales channels where I live and I could get one of those or even an HP more easily than a Supermicro as far as I know. I will be checking more on this. I have a bunch of white box systems but I don't know anybody capable of building a server grade box so I'm probably going to buy off the shelf. Can anybody tell me is what I am looking for going to be available at this price point and if not, what should I expect to pay? If you have experience with any of the commodity server towers good or bad with Solaris and ZFS I'd like to hear your opinions. I am refraining for asking for advice on drives because I see the list has a few thousand posts archived on this topic and until I go over some of those I don't want to ask about that subject just yet. Thanks for the help. ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] Good tower server for around 1,250 USD?
On Thu, 22 Mar 2012, The Honorable Senator and Mrs. John Blutarsky wrote: This will be a do-everything machine. I will use it for development, hosting various apps in zones (web, file server, mail server etc.) and running other systems (like a Solaris 11 test system) in VirtualBox. Ultimately I would like to put it under Solaris support so I am looking for something officially approved. The problem is there are so many systems on the HCL I don't know where to begin. One of the Supermicro super workstations looks Almost all of the systems listed on the HCL are defunct and no longer purchasable except for on the used market. Obtaining an approved system seems very difficult. In spite of this, Solaris runs very well on many non-approved modern systems. I don't know what that means as far as the ability to purchase Solaris support. Bob -- Bob Friesenhahn bfrie...@simple.dallas.tx.us, http://www.simplesystems.org/users/bfriesen/ GraphicsMagick Maintainer,http://www.GraphicsMagick.org/ ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] Good tower server for around 1,250 USD?
well use component of x4170m2 as example you will be ok intel cpu lsi sas controller non raid sas 72rpm hdd my 2c Sent from my iPad On Mar 22, 2012, at 14:41, Bob Friesenhahn bfrie...@simple.dallas.tx.us wrote: On Thu, 22 Mar 2012, The Honorable Senator and Mrs. John Blutarsky wrote: This will be a do-everything machine. I will use it for development, hosting various apps in zones (web, file server, mail server etc.) and running other systems (like a Solaris 11 test system) in VirtualBox. Ultimately I would like to put it under Solaris support so I am looking for something officially approved. The problem is there are so many systems on the HCL I don't know where to begin. One of the Supermicro super workstations looks Almost all of the systems listed on the HCL are defunct and no longer purchasable except for on the used market. Obtaining an approved system seems very difficult. In spite of this, Solaris runs very well on many non-approved modern systems. I don't know what that means as far as the ability to purchase Solaris support. Bob -- Bob Friesenhahn bfrie...@simple.dallas.tx.us, http://www.simplesystems.org/users/bfriesen/ GraphicsMagick Maintainer,http://www.GraphicsMagick.org/ ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] Good tower server for around 1,250 USD?
On Thu, Mar 22 at 18:30, The Honorable Senator and Mrs. John Blutarsky wrote: Ladies and Gentlemen, I'm thinking about spending around 1,250 USD for a tower format (desk side) server with RAM but without disks. I'd like to have 16G ECC RAM as a minimum and ideally 2 or 3 times that amount and I'd like for the case to have room for at least 6 drives, more would be better but not essential. I want to run Solaris 10 and possibly upgrade to Solaris 11 if I like it. Right now I have nothing to run Solaris 11 on and I know Solaris 10 well enough to know it will do what I want. This will be a do-everything machine. I will use it for development, hosting various apps in zones (web, file server, mail server etc.) and running other systems (like a Solaris 11 test system) in VirtualBox. Ultimately I would like to put it under Solaris support so I am looking for something officially approved. The problem is there are so many systems on the HCL I don't know where to begin. One of the Supermicro super workstations looks good and I know they have good a reputation but Dell has better sales channels where I live and I could get one of those or even an HP more easily than a Supermicro as far as I know. I will be checking more on this. I have a bunch of white box systems but I don't know anybody capable of building a server grade box so I'm probably going to buy off the shelf. Can anybody tell me is what I am looking for going to be available at this price point and if not, what should I expect to pay? If you have experience with any of the commodity server towers good or bad with Solaris and ZFS I'd like to hear your opinions. I am refraining for asking for advice on drives because I see the list has a few thousand posts archived on this topic and until I go over some of those I don't want to ask about that subject just yet. Thanks for the help. Most of the supermicro stuff works great for me. -- Eric D. Mudama edmud...@bounceswoosh.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
