Re: [ZION] Magazine Subscriptions
I get Soujourners, St Anthony Messenger, America,the Catholic Herald and Radical Grace. My favorite is Radical Grace. Pax et bonum, John A. English, n/OEF - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 8:05 PM Subject: RE: [ZION] Magazine Subscriptions > John Redelfs: > > I subscribe to several magazines, and plan to subscribe to > a couple more. I was curious about what magazines, if any, > the rest of you value enough to subscribe to. > > ___ > > The Ensign, New Era, and Friend. We will let our Friend > subscription lapse next summer because we will no longer > have a child in Primary (unless one of us gets called to > serve in that organization). > > The Church News. > > National Geographic. I have been a life member since > 1977. It's for the photography, of course, although it has > come in handy for a school project or three. > > That's it, except for the daily paper, which comes in handy > for painting projects, extra packaging material, and as > Ben Franklin suggested (if I owned a bird), the bottom of > the birdcage. > > Larry Jackson > > > > > The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! > Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! > Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! > > // > /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// > /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// > / > // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html ==^
RE: [ZION] Magazine Subscriptions
John Redelfs: I subscribe to several magazines, and plan to subscribe to a couple more. I was curious about what magazines, if any, the rest of you value enough to subscribe to. ___ The Ensign, New Era, and Friend. We will let our Friend subscription lapse next summer because we will no longer have a child in Primary (unless one of us gets called to serve in that organization). The Church News. National Geographic. I have been a life member since 1977. It's for the photography, of course, although it has come in handy for a school project or three. That's it, except for the daily paper, which comes in handy for painting projects, extra packaging material, and as Ben Franklin suggested (if I owned a bird), the bottom of the birdcage. Larry Jackson The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html ==^
Re: [ZION] Video Amusement (was: Gods and Generals)
Haven't seen it yet. Maybe next (Cherie's) paycheck. Lynn Walker & wife saw it in Spanish Fork, and his highest recommendation is that it isn't nihlistic like Moore's comic. *jeep! --me On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 11:39:07 -0800 "John W. Redelfs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Chet Cox wrote: > >And of course we want to go see *the League of Veryordinary > Gentlemen* > >since a friend told us it wasn't as bad as the comic. > > This movie played briefly here in Ketchikan, and I wanted to go see > it but > it was replaced by Terminator 3 before I had a chance. Was it any > good? If it was, I'll buy the DVD when it comes out, but otherwise > > no. What did you like or dislike about it? > > > John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] > === > "There is no place in this work for those who believe only > in the gospel of doom and gloom. The gospel is good > news. It is a message of triumph." --Gordon B. Hinckley > === > All my opinions are tentative pending further data. --JWR // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html ==^
Re: [ZION] Magazine Subscriptions
*Alter-Ego* was the fanzine which created comics fandom, back in 1960. There had been a few 'zines before -- one as far back as the 1930s -- but Dr. Jerry Bails & Roy Thomas (mainly Jerry) really got the ball rolling with A/E. Jerry & Roy were instrumental in the revival of the Justice Society (called Justice League in the new version) and Roy even ended up "going pro" -- first working for DC (Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, etc.), then for Marvel for almost 20 years, then DC for a short time, then freelance -- and now he's a farmer. AND an editor, because he revived *Alter Ego* (this time, without a hyphen) a few years back. John Morrow publishes it for Roy (http://www.twomorrows.com/alterego/index.html) and it is, IMHO, better than ever. And you're hearing from someone who used to get copies of it in the 1960s! The two latest issues include a heart-warming tribute to Jerry Bails (Which was difficult to keep secret from Jerry) and, most currently, a big ol' interview with Joe Sinnott and a deep interview with Irwin Donefield, whose father "re-started" DC (National Publications) in 1936 or 1937; Irwin himself became the head of National and of magazine distributor Independent News until sometime around 1968. These were in the days when comics which sold fewer than 200,000 copies each issue - were cancelled. Most of the contributors to A/E are professionals now (Michael Gilbert, Jim Amash, Mark Evanier, to name three) but it still retains that fannish feeling. 'smatter of fact, Roy liked one spoof that I did for the Alter-Ego Fans list (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/alter-ego-fans/) that he's planning to run it in a (very) future A/E. (It's a spoof of issue #50, so it will be years yet.) *jeep! --Chet "Start by doing what's necessary, then what's possible, and suddenly you are doing the impossible." On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 11:41:54 -0800 "John W. Redelfs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > What is this Alter-Ego that you speak of, another comic book? It > sounds > interesting. My son and I have a small comic collection from a > phase we > went through some years ago, but we haven't continued to collect > them and > have no idea what our collection is worth. > > > John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] > === > "There is no place in this work for those who believe only > in the gospel of doom and gloom. The gospel is good > news. It is a message of triumph." --Gordon B. Hinckley > === > All my opinions are tentative pending further data. --JWR // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html ==^
Re: [ZION] Gods and Generals
John W. Redelfs wrote: Perhaps the thing that most detracted from my enjoyment of the film was the Confederate bias. Of course Jackson was a southerner, so I guess I couldn't expect anything else. But I am most definitely a Yankee when it comes to my thinking about the Civil War. I don't care for books and films that make heros of the rebels. = Grampa Bill comments: Without going into the merits of the Southren cause during the Recent Unpleasantness, (JWR seems somewhat sensitive on this issue, and I try to to offend the touchy. ;-) ) Stonewall Jackson was probably the greatest fighting general since Alexander the Great! With apologies to Julius Caesar, Big Al and Stonewall didn't let no woman get in their way when there was fightin' to be done! It is, of course, debatable whether the South could have won even if Stonewall had not been killed. but I believe everyone will agree that it would have been a much closer contest. Had the South won, I believe that the Church would be much smaller, not a world-wide religion, and limited primarily to the independent nation of Deseret comprised of the present Idaho, Utah, Arizona, Nevada, California, Oregon, Washington, British Columbia, and Alberta. That (not the righteousness of the northern cause) is probably why the Lord allowed the barbarians to prevail. Love y'all, Grampa Bill in Savannah // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html ==^
Re: [ZION] Video Amusement (was: Gods and Generals)
Chet Cox wrote: And of course we want to go see *the League of Veryordinary Gentlemen* since a friend told us it wasn't as bad as the comic. This movie played briefly here in Ketchikan, and I wanted to go see it but it was replaced by Terminator 3 before I had a chance. Was it any good? If it was, I'll buy the DVD when it comes out, but otherwise no. What did you like or dislike about it? John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] === "There is no place in this work for those who believe only in the gospel of doom and gloom. The gospel is good news. It is a message of triumph." --Gordon B. Hinckley === All my opinions are tentative pending further data. --JWR // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html ==^
Re: [ZION] Magazine Subscriptions
Chet Cox wrote: We used to subscribe to *US News & World Report* but the 'net has taken the place of our news source(s). Currently, we subscribe to nothing, because we've moved four times this year and will move at least twice more before the year's over. Our *Ensign* and *Comics Buyers' Guide* were unable to catch up to us. Fortunately, church magazines are available on the 'net, and I download them to my PDA every month. (This month, the Palm version of *Ensign* is STILL not available for July's issue.) IF we had a stable life, we'd subscribe to the magazines which we ensure we get each month: *Ensign* and *Alter-Ego*. Well, *Amazing Spider-Man* too, but only while J. Michael Mxyzptlk (the creator of Babylon 5, whose name I will never learn to spell) is writing it. What is this Alter-Ego that you speak of, another comic book? It sounds interesting. My son and I have a small comic collection from a phase we went through some years ago, but we haven't continued to collect them and have no idea what our collection is worth. John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] === "There is no place in this work for those who believe only in the gospel of doom and gloom. The gospel is good news. It is a message of triumph." --Gordon B. Hinckley === All my opinions are tentative pending further data. --JWR // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html ==^
Re: [ZION] Magazine Subscriptions
We used to subscribe to *US News & World Report* but the 'net has taken the place of our news source(s). Currently, we subscribe to nothing, because we've moved four times this year and will move at least twice more before the year's over. Our *Ensign* and *Comics Buyers' Guide* were unable to catch up to us. Fortunately, church magazines are available on the 'net, and I download them to my PDA every month. (This month, the Palm version of *Ensign* is STILL not available for July's issue.) IF we had a stable life, we'd subscribe to the magazines which we ensure we get each month: *Ensign* and *Alter-Ego*. Well, *Amazing Spider-Man* too, but only while J. Michael Mxyzptlk (the creator of Babylon 5, whose name I will never learn to spell) is writing it. *jeep! --Chet "Start by doing what's necessary, then what's possible, and suddenly you are doing the impossible." On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 10:23:51 -0800 "John W. Redelfs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I subscribe to several magazines, and plan to subscribe to a couple > more. I was curious about what magazines, if any, the rest of you > value > enough to subscribe to. > > My subscriptions: > > 1) Ensign > > 2) Popular Photography > > 3) Petersen's Photographic > > 4) PC Magazine > > > I plan to subscribe to: > > 1) National Geographic (to study the photography) > > 2) PC World > > 3) Outdoor Photography > > > Because I prefer to read my news and opinion on the Internet, I do > not > subscribe to a news magazine. But if I find a good enough source, I > may > change my mind on this. > > What magazines do you all subscribe to? > > > John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] > === > "There is no place in this work for those who believe only > in the gospel of doom and gloom. The gospel is good > news. It is a message of triumph." --Gordon B. Hinckley > === // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html ==^
[ZION] Video Amusement (was: Gods and Generals)
On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 10:15:03 -0800 "John W. Redelfs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes a great deal about *Gods & Generals*, a movie I fully intend to see whenever it's free and I have spare time. And then he challenged us: > What about you all? Have any of you seen a good movie lately? I buy a > couple of DVDs every month, and I'm always looking for something good that > I have overlooked. We don't often get videos or DVDs anymore. We're getting so old that it's two episdoes of *Everybody Shoots Raymond* and then to bed. We'll stay up late for *Monk* (even though it comes on at TEN P.M. on the Beast Coast!), maybe *Enterprise* or *Candid Camera* last night we stayed up for 75 minutes of *the 6 Wives of Henry VIII.* But when we're between assignments and have entire days of no work, we're back at Indiana, where we have no TV. So we plug in a DVD to this laptop, and the last four we bought were: *God's Army* - an excellent movie which you've already read as much about as you ever want to read. For its budget, it's amazing. *Brigham City* - You haven't read enough about this movie. The murder mystery part of it is a MacGuffin; the real meat is in the last 7 or 10 minutes. You do have to get through the rest of the movie to comprehend the last part (and the rest of the movie is Pretty Darned Good, so it won't hurt you; FUNNY portrayal by our favorite diabetic Quaker Oats guy). The movie ends up saying more about the atonement than a dozen sermons, and shows just how very personal it can be --- and demonstrates how very, very guilty each and every one of us are. Without the Atontement, life is (as John has been saying) utterly hopeless. With the Atonement --- well, just view the movie. *The Incredible Hulk,* "Married," *the Incredible Hulk Returns,* and *Trial of the Incredible Hulk.* With the probably-adequate movie hitting the theatres this summer, someone got the bright idea to release some of the best episodes on DVD. And as a sucker for the Lee/Kirby/Ditko originals and the not-quite-kosher TV show, I couldn't resist. These three DVDs cover the 1st TV movie (but not the second) which became the pilot for the show, the best episode of the show (Mariette Hartley, about the same time she was hawking Polaroid cameras with James Gardner), and two of the later TV movies. "Returns" was a bit of a pilot for a Thor series (never happened) and "Trial" was a pilot for a Daredevil series (also was not picked up). And the star of each is Bill Bixby, who effectively makes us believe in and pity a man who is trapped, becoming a hulking monster whenever his blood pressure increases (in the comics, Banner had to not only curb his temper, but watch his diet) or whenever it's convinient for a writer. I have yet to pick up the last of the series: *the Death of the Incredible Hulk,* directed and (IIRC) plotted by Bixby when he learned that he was dying. And of course we want to go see *the League of Veryordinary Gentlemen* since a friend told us it wasn't as bad as the comic. *jeep! --Chet "Start by doing what's necessary, then what's possible, and suddenly you are doing the impossible." // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html ==^
[ZION] Pedro Messone
For many years one of my favorite LPs was El Solitario by Pedro Messone. It is a Spanish language album from Chile that my wife owned when I met her. Quite a few years ago my turntable quit working and I never replaced it, preferring to listen to tapes and audio CDs. But I have sorely missed Pedro Messone. So when I started downloading Mp3s from the file sharing networks using KaZaA, I tried to download some Pedro Messone. Too bad. He just never came up in any of the searches. I was out of luck. Well, congratulate me! Last night I hit the jackpot! And today I am enjoying nine tracks of Pedro Messone including many of the songs that were on the El Solitario album. I am so pleased. Anyway, if any of you ever get a chance to listen to him, I recommend it. I don't speak Spanish, but I listen to the music the same way I would the Italian opera, which is to say I appreciate the singing and the music by themselves. What favorite albums have deeply moved some of you? Anything that I ought to try? John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] === "There is no place in this work for those who believe only in the gospel of doom and gloom. The gospel is good news. It is a message of triumph." --Gordon B. Hinckley === All my opinions are tentative pending further data. --JWR // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html ==^
[ZION] Magazine Subscriptions
I subscribe to several magazines, and plan to subscribe to a couple more. I was curious about what magazines, if any, the rest of you value enough to subscribe to. My subscriptions: 1) Ensign 2) Popular Photography 3) Petersen's Photographic 4) PC Magazine I plan to subscribe to: 1) National Geographic (to study the photography) 2) PC World 3) Outdoor Photography Because I prefer to read my news and opinion on the Internet, I do not subscribe to a news magazine. But if I find a good enough source, I may change my mind on this. What magazines do you all subscribe to? John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] === "There is no place in this work for those who believe only in the gospel of doom and gloom. The gospel is good news. It is a message of triumph." --Gordon B. Hinckley === All my opinions are tentative pending further data. --JWR // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html ==^
[ZION] Gods and Generals
Yesterday was my 58th birthday, and Esperanza gave me the DVD movie, Gods and Generals starring Robert Duvall as Robert E. Lee and Jeff Daniels as Chamberlain, the Union General. For years I have owed and treasured Gettysburg, a movie that I own on Laserdisc. Gods and Generals is intended as a prequel. It was produced by the same people and also based upon a novel by Michael Shaara who wrote Killer Angels, the novel upon which Gettysburg was based. I thoroughly enjoyed Gods and Generals although it was not as good a movie as Gettysburg. I much prefer Robert Duval's Robert E. Lee to Martin Sheen's in the earlier film. However, while Gettysburg was focused primarily on the commands of Lee and Chamberlain, Gods and Generals is focused on the career of Stonewall Jackson. The portrayal of Jackson seemed strained. I don't think the guy was a very good actor. But it may have been his material. The only character that got any development was Jackson, and most of that development seemed contrived. The battle scenes, however, were excellent. I don't know Civil War history well enough to know how good the history was, but the fighting was of the same caliber I enjoyed in Gettysburg. Perhaps the thing that most detracted from my enjoyment of the film was the Confederate bias. Of course Jackson was a southerner, so I guess I couldn't expect anything else. But I am most definitely a Yankee when it comes to my thinking about the Civil War. I don't care for books and films that make heros of the rebels. The south was fighting for its freedom and its "way of life," but its way of life was based upon the exploitation of slave labor. They were fighting for states rights, but it was primarily their right to own slaves that they were concerned about. In any case, I can recommend the movie Gods and Generals, but only as a prequel to Gettysburg. Gettysburg is a wonder, a full four stars. Taken by itself I would give Gods and Generals only three stars. What about you all? Have any of you seen a good movie lately? I buy a couple of DVDs every month, and I'm always looking for something good that I have overlooked. John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] === "There is no place in this work for those who believe only in the gospel of doom and gloom. The gospel is good news. It is a message of triumph." --Gordon B. Hinckley === All my opinions are tentative pending further data. --JWR // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html ==^
Re: [ZION] Having One's Calling and Election Made Sure and ...
I hear there is a specific ceremony to do just that for those who meet all qualifications. Stacy. At 06:48 AM 07/17/2003 -0700, you wrote: I don't think one will know for sure that their election has been made sure until one has died. As long as we live and breathe, we are sinning. A scripture that says something to the effect of: "All has sinned and has come short of the glory of God" is very true. It comes down to the thought that if you are sinning, how for heavens sake cane one have their calling made sure? You can't at least in this life time. // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html ==^
Re: [ZION] Having One's Calling and Election Made Sure and ...
I understand you concerns Bill, for as you I have also sinned and stand still condemned in this world - until the atonement takes action in my life at least. In fact, however, there is an ordinance of confirming that you have attained this status. It used to be more common than now and is only known by those who have received it. After receiving it the person is not in some perfect state of sinlessness, but in the status of understanding that the atonement fully takes place in their life. It can, and does, take place in this life. Understanding your status before God is THE great mystery that we all want to seek and attain. We are promised that these mysteries will be given to the faithful. If you disagree that is OK, as I am not willing to debate or contend over this issue. But this is a true principle. George - Original Message - From: "Bill Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 7:48 AM Subject: Re: [ZION] Having One's Calling and Election Made Sure and ... > I don't think one will know for sure that their election has been made sure until one has died. As long as we live and breathe, we are sinning. A scripture that says something to the effect of: "All has sinned and has come short of the glory of God" is very true. > > It comes down to the thought that if you are sinning, how for heavens sake cane one have their calling made sure? You can't at least in this life time. > > > > Stacy Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I don't buy that completely as that could be the test of any age or era. > > Stacy. > > At 06:28 AM 07/17/2003 -0500, you wrote: > > >At 07:16 AM 7/17/03 -0400, Elmer L. Fairbank wrote: > >>At 01:55 PM 7/13/2003 -0500, St Stacy wrote: > >>>What would such a test consist of? Physical > >>>endurance? Brainwashing? Torture or something less diabolical such as > >>>integrity? What about martyrdom? Can we have any stories? > > > > > > > >I wonder if for many of us the test may not be being asked to endure > >torture or kill someone, but may be more like "enduring to the end" > >despite things such as chronic illness, handicap, poverty, loneliness, > >etc. . . . > > > > > > > >--Ronn! :) > > // > /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// > /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// > / > > > > > - > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > -- > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > // > /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// > /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// > / > > > // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html ==^
Re: [ZION] Having One's Calling and Election Made Sure and ...
I don't think one will know for sure that their election has been made sure until one has died. As long as we live and breathe, we are sinning. A scripture that says something to the effect of: "All has sinned and has come short of the glory of God" is very true. It comes down to the thought that if you are sinning, how for heavens sake cane one have their calling made sure? You can't at least in this life time. Stacy Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I don't buy that completely as that could be the test of any age or era. Stacy. At 06:28 AM 07/17/2003 -0500, you wrote: >At 07:16 AM 7/17/03 -0400, Elmer L. Fairbank wrote: >>At 01:55 PM 7/13/2003 -0500, St Stacy wrote: >>>What would such a test consist of? Physical >>>endurance? Brainwashing? Torture or something less diabolical such as >>>integrity? What about martyrdom? Can we have any stories? > > > >I wonder if for many of us the test may not be being asked to endure >torture or kill someone, but may be more like "enduring to the end" >despite things such as chronic illness, handicap, poverty, loneliness, >etc. . . . > > > >--Ronn! :) // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / - Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html ==^
Re: [ZION] Having One's Calling and Election Made Sure and ...
I don't buy that completely as that could be the test of any age or era. Stacy. At 06:28 AM 07/17/2003 -0500, you wrote: At 07:16 AM 7/17/03 -0400, Elmer L. Fairbank wrote: At 01:55 PM 7/13/2003 -0500, St Stacy wrote: What would such a test consist of? Physical endurance? Brainwashing? Torture or something less diabolical such as integrity? What about martyrdom? Can we have any stories? I wonder if for many of us the test may not be being asked to endure torture or kill someone, but may be more like "enduring to the end" despite things such as chronic illness, handicap, poverty, loneliness, etc. . . . --Ronn! :) // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html ==^
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At 09:22 PM 7/13/2003 -0800, BLT wrote: Still, the only thing that keeps me going is the fact that it won't last forever. Death will bring some relief when it finally comes. All I have to do is endure to the end. Relief from what, John?Us We're here to take care of eachother. I well know how bleak things look from inside a depression, but all in all, Till would say that we have a lot going for us. Till // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html ==^
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At 07:16 AM 7/17/03 -0400, Elmer L. Fairbank wrote: At 01:55 PM 7/13/2003 -0500, St Stacy wrote: What would such a test consist of? Physical endurance? Brainwashing? Torture or something less diabolical such as integrity? What about martyrdom? Can we have any stories? I wonder if for many of us the test may not be being asked to endure torture or kill someone, but may be more like "enduring to the end" despite things such as chronic illness, handicap, poverty, loneliness, etc. . . . --Ronn! :) I always knew that I would see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed that I would see the last. --Dr. Jerry Pournelle // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html ==^
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At 01:55 PM 7/13/2003 -0500, St Stacy wrote: What would such a test consist of? Physical endurance? Brainwashing? Torture or something less diabolical such as integrity? What about martyrdom? Can we have any stories? Till suspects that those what has them would rather not tell them. // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html ==^
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At 10:03 AM 7/13/2003 -0600, Cousin St George wrote: One of the points that ought to worry you that is not on your list is the idea that you will be tried to the limit of your ability. Just like Abraham was tested so you will be tested - differently but as severe. Just as others that we can list have been tested so will you. How can you expect to be in the presence of such men and women unless you have a similar heritage of proving yourself? Ouch! Till tends not to dwell on that one. Till the wienie // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html ==^
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At 10:03 AM 7/13/2003 -0600, Cousin St George wrote: One of the points that ought to worry you that is not on your list is the idea that you will be tried to the limit of your ability. Just like Abraham was tested so you will be tested - differently but as severe. Just as others that we can list have been tested so will you. How can you expect to be in the presence of such men and women unless you have a similar heritage of proving yourself? Ouch Till tends to not like to dwell on that one. Till the wienie // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html ==^
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At 07:52 AM 7/13/2003 -0400, you wrote: Paul Osborne wrote to our BLT: I'm a bigger jerk than you and that's pretty bad! ;-) Grampa Bill comments: But Till lives in a deeper (and more humble) hole than either of you. Yes, yes, and his floor is so covered with electrons from all the back e-mail that he can hardly crawl through them without drowning. Actually, his mother just had an emergency valve replacement and triple by-pass Monday. She has been getting more and more frail lately. Guess that's why. She was up and moving around a little and sounding in pretty good spirits last night. I'm making (yet another) pilgrimage to Rochester tonight to see her. Till // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html ==^
