I understand you concerns Bill, for as you I have also sinned and stand
still condemned in this world - until the atonement takes action in my life
at least.

In fact, however, there is an ordinance of confirming that you have attained
this status.  It used to be more common than now and is only known by those
who have received it.  After receiving it the person is not in some perfect
state of sinlessness, but in the status of understanding that the atonement
fully takes place in their life.

It can, and does, take place in this life.

Understanding your status before God is THE great mystery that we all want
to seek and attain.  We are promised that these mysteries will be given to
the faithful.

If you disagree that is OK, as I am not willing to debate or contend over
this issue.  But this is a true principle.

George

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 7:48 AM
Subject: Re: [ZION] Having One's Calling and Election Made Sure and ...


> I don't think one will know for sure that their election has been made
sure until one has died. As long as we live and breathe, we are sinning. A
scripture that says something to the effect of: "All has sinned and has come
short of the glory of God" is very true.
>
> It comes down to the thought that if you are sinning, how for heavens sake
cane one have their calling made sure? You can't at least in this life time.
>
>
>
> Stacy Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I don't buy that completely as that could be the test of any age or era.
>
> Stacy.
>
> At 06:28 AM 07/17/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>
> >At 07:16 AM 7/17/03 -0400, Elmer L. Fairbank wrote:
> >>At 01:55 PM 7/13/2003 -0500, St Stacy wrote:
> >>>What would such a test consist of? Physical
> >>>endurance? Brainwashing? Torture or something less diabolical such as
> >>>integrity? What about martyrdom? Can we have any stories?
> >
> >
> >
> >I wonder if for many of us the test may not be being asked to endure
> >torture or kill someone, but may be more like "enduring to the end"
> >despite things such as chronic illness, handicap, poverty, loneliness,
> >etc. . . .
> >
> >
> >
> >--Ronn! :)
>
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