[ZION] Where have all the Mormon feminists gone?
Where have all the Mormon feminists gone? By Peggy Fletcher Stack The Salt Lake Tribune No banners proclaiming Mormons for ERA will be soaring over the LDS General Conference this weekend as they did in the 1970s. No Mormon women will be picketing the semi-annual meeting or praying to their Mother in Heaven over wardhouse pulpits, as they did in the 1980s. None will be speaking out on women's rights on the steps of the state Capitol or on TV, getting themselves fired from Brigham Young University or excommunicated from the church as they did in the 1990s. In other words, Mormon feminists are awfully quiet. The Mormon Women's Forum, established in Salt Lake City in 1988, can scarcely draw a crowd to its annual fall conference. Exponent II, the Boston-based quarterly for Mormon women, which led its readers gently, gently towards feminism, is still publishing nearly 30 years after it was launched. But it is more likely to take up issues of grief, aging and being single in a married church than the question of priesthood power. These days, Mormons feminists are less likely to publicly cut their ties to the church than to quietly slip into inactivity or simply go underground, nursing their concerns in private. Feminism as a movement within Mormonism is dead or dying with our generation, says Claudia Bushman, an LDS historian who teaches at Columbia University. Feminism is such a potent word, it's been expunged from our vocabulary. But does that mean there are no independent, free-thinking women in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints? Or that all women's issues have been resolved? Or that they no longer care about the questions that remain in a church which excludes women from its top offices? The answer to all three is no, says Jill Derr, managing director of BYU's Smith Institute for Latter-day Saint History. Young Mormon women today take equality between men and women on a personal and professional level as a given, she says. It's not even a question. Young scholars are more well-rounded, more disciplined and less scarred by the experience of overt discrimination, Derr says. They expect to balance family and career and presume the church's approval. They did not live through the polarizing era that was such a marked part of our lives, she says. They can look at our history through a more nuanced, complex lens. It may be just the term feminism that makes people wince. For some, it carries too many negative connotations derived from past battles and is synonymous with a confrontational style or hostility to motherhood. Or they feel it has been co-opted by those who define it solely in terms of reproductive rights or competition with men. One BYU professor says feminism has been dropped from women's studies discourse almost entirely, replaced by the more neutral term gender. Besides, the church has changed a lot since the 1970s. Issues that electrified earlier activists have slowly declined or disappeared, Bushman says. Female participation and visibility in the church are on the rise. At this weekend's conference, at least one woman will likely speak in nearly every session (except tonight's priesthood session, open only to men). Women can preach and pray over ward pulpits as often and as prominently as men. They sit on ward councils, serve as presidents of women's organizations such as Relief Society, Young Women, and Primary. They officiate at some women-only temple ceremonies. More and more of them are serving full-time missions for the church, becoming just as well-versed in Mormon scriptures as their male counterparts. On the home front, the church has stopped pushing big families and talking about birth control. Mormon leaders still see the nurturing of children as the most important thing a woman can do, but are more sensitive to the needs of working women. They encourage couples to make family decisions prayerfully, based on individual situations, not on a universal mandate. Last summer the Smith Institute hired Bushman to direct a seminar for graduate students on LDS women in the 20th century. Organizers had to choose qualified fellows from among dozens of applicants. They settled on eight women from Harvard, Yale, Brown, the University of Utah, Claremont College and BYU. Some were married with children, some without children, some single. At least half had served LDS missions. They were all very ambitious, very able and very devoted to the church, Bushman says. When I was that age, you could not have assembled a group like that. They spent eight weeks in Provo, researching topics ranging from LDS participation in the National Council of Women from 1888-1987, the history of the church's stance on birth control, rifts among LDS women created by the Equal Rights Amendment, and the relationship between patriarchy and contentment.
[ZION] Mormon movie
Making the rounds of Utah theatres, panned by the critics: THE BOOK OF MORMON MOVIE, VOLUME 1: THE JOURNEY ** Proving that good intentions don't translate to good filmmaking, the first part of director Gary Rogers' ambitious live-action series (based on LDS scripture) is a lackluster re-telling of the books of Nephi, with actor Noah Danby making a bland hero. Running time: 119 minutes. PG-13 (violence, brief gore). (5-Star, Gateway, Holladay, Jordan Landing, Megaplex 17, Ritz.) (Sept. 12, 2003) // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] Where have all the Mormon feminists gone?
The quick and easy answer to the subject question is: they (including feminists such as Gordon B. Hinckley) are still faithful members of the Church. The controversial answer is: just what is meant by the term feminist? Its original meaning was one who sought equal rights, blessings, and respect to women. By that meaning, the gospel is the most feminist (as well as equal opportunity) doctrine in the universe. Somehow, the term was usurped by male-hating people. This sort of thing makes life difficult for dictionary editors. Sister Stack seems to be grumbling sour grapes in her article. Many of the improvements she cites are not new to the Church. And some of it is just bone-headed wrong. For instance, we had two less-than-18 teenagers in our home during the year that Cherie was an assistant director for the baptistry in the Provo Temple. (No, I was not the director. I was another assistant.) I can't remember anything from the CHoI saying that women with younger-than-18 kids at home were disallowed to work in the temple. Certainly there has been unrighteous domininion with much of it being male towards female. The scriptures are plain on this (as plain as they are that such males have no true authority and are in for a whuppin' some day) and the prophets have decried it from Joseph to Gordon. But Stack seems to when one evil (unrighteous dominion) was being fought with another evil. I notice she complained about President Benson's talk without quoting his talk, but added what she wanted her audience to think he said. And why did she not mention that President Benson gave similar council to the fathers in Zion? Does anyone really think that President Benson's councilor (President Hinckley) thus thought worse of his own mother, a working woman? And her whole tone is that of the stereotype of the soldier who is upset there is no more war to fight. So the real answer is: Mormon feminists haven't gone anywhere. They're still here, working to build the Kingdom of God, male and female, helpers meet for each other. *jeep! --Chet Start by doing what's necessary, then what's possible, and suddenly you are doing the impossible. The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] Did you hear about ...
Yep. He was obviously a first cousin of the agnostic dyslexic insomniac. On Sun, 5 Oct 2003 00:29:24 -0400 Jon Spencer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Did you hear about the dyslexic devil worshiper? He sold his soul to Santa. Noj The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
[ZION] A prophet speaks...
President Hinckley is ever filled with boundless optimism and good cheer. Always uplifting to hear him speak. In his closing remarks, I seem to sense that he wishes to lift up the entire church with his blessings and counsel. I would hate to disappoint him. Elder Maxwell, though he has the appearance of a man barely clinging to life, delivered such a moving and powerful oratory. Every once in a while I hear something -- a thought or phrase -- that pentrates deeply and resonates on and on. In Elder Holland's talk in the last session, he made reference to the passage in the scriptures referring to the prophet Ether's communion with the Lord. The specific phrase that so struck me indicated that the wicked in Ether's day had fallen so low in their depravity that they ...hate their own blood causing the heavens to weep in mourning. I am considering the implications... // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
RE: [ZION] Where have all the Mormon feminists gone?
The author of the article is one of those old-time man-hating feminists that apparently believed or sympathized with all the pernicious stereotypical ideas about the evils of patriarchy and blah blah blah. One of those for whom our friend John coined the term Signaturi. I am certain that Sister Stack and her associates are mighty confused about the current state of affairs in the Church. It is almost as if they set themselves to tackle a seemingly insurmountable barrier and on approach, discovered that it wasn't there. // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
[ZION] Women working in the temple (was feminists)
This IS the current way it works. My sister and her husband have been temple workers for years. They have 6 children. About 3 or 4 years ago, President Hinckley said that women with children under 18 could not be temple workers. They should stay home with their children. My sister was allowed to stay on as Bapistry supervisor twice a month with special permission, mostly because most of her kids were out of the house. She has had two on a mission for the past 5 years. Number 5 just returned from his mission, and her youngest just got his mission call, and she is grateful to be able to be an officiator and veil worker once again. Oh, and I was thrilled that President Hinckley mentioned where I live and my favorite TV station (not by name) in this morning's session. I have always watched WNDU (Notre Dame University) because they are classier than our CBS or FOX affiliates (especially FOX). I sent them an email letting them know that our President, who is like their Pope, commended them, and sent the link as well. On Sun, 5 Oct 2003 15:31:58 -0400 Chet Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: just bone-headed wrong. For instance, we had two less-than-18 teenagers in our home during the year that Cherie was an assistant director for the baptistry in the Provo Temple. (No, I was not the director. I was another assistant.) I can't remember anything from the CHoI saying that women with younger-than-18 kids at home were disallowed to work in the temple. *jeep! --Chet Start by doing what's necessary, then what's possible, and suddenly you are doing the impossible. The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! / / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / .:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:. «¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] Women working in the temple (was feminists)
-- Valerie Nielsen Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This IS the current way it works. My sister and her husband have been temple workers for years. They have 6 children. About 3 or 4 years ago, President Hinckley said that women with children under 18 could not be temple workers. Chet asks: Did he say could not, or should not? It does seem that there are many exceptions. So I wonder if it's really not on an individual basis that it's actually decided. Before I forget, where was your sister the baptistry supervisor? Louisville? Huzzah to you for your initiative in letting the Notre Dame TV station know they were doing a good job! Bonus points to Valerie! *jeep! ~~Chet If ya thinks ya is right, ya deserfs credit - even if ya is wrong. Gus Segar via Popeye The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] Where have all the Mormon feminists gone?
--Stacy Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Isn't this speaking out against priesthood? Chet opines: Possibly. But the priesthood (not necessarily every male who holds the priesthood) has really broad shoulders and can take much more severe criticism than this. Me? I'll just hide my head under a pillow and whine a lot. *jeep! ~~Chet If ya thinks ya is right, ya deserfs credit - even if ya is wrong. Gus Segar via Popeye The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] Women working in the temple (was feminists)
On Mon, 6 Oct 2003 00:46:18 GMT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -- Valerie Nielsen Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This IS the current way it works. My sister and her husband have been temple workers for years. They have 6 children. About 3 or 4 years ago, President Hinckley said that women with children under 18 could not be temple workers. Chet asks: Did he say could not, or should not? It does seem that there are many exceptions. Funny how one word makes all the difference. I don't remember--he probably said should although Temple presidents interpreted it could. It seemed pretty strong, as I recall. So I wonder if it's really not on an individual basis that it's actually decided. Before I forget, where was your sister the baptistry supervisor? Louisville? Chicago. After Tom died last year, I'd frequently go up with them, and when I was done with a session, I'd help her out in the Bapistry, then we'd all do an evening session together before going home. I love the temple. But, I've been bad and haven't been up all summer! I'll repent. It sure makes the day-to-day drugery easier. . .of course, Conference has had that effect on me as well. I even felt strong, today, and called my (former?) sister-in-law (haven't heard from ANY of Tom's family since he died), and asked if she'd make the cakes for Christopher's graduation in June. She agreed! Ah, the Spirit is good! Huzzah to you for your initiative in letting the Notre Dame TV station know they were doing a good job! Bonus points to Valerie! Aw, shucks! val *jeep! ~~Chet If ya thinks ya is right, ya deserfs credit - even if ya is wrong. Gus Segar via Popeye The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! / / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / .:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:. «¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] Mormon movie
My wife and I saw the movie last week. I liked the show but was quite disappointed with it too. The story (of course) was good. I was not at all impressed with the costuming. The costumes were obviously brand new material. You'd think they would try to make things a little bit authentic. Beggars in Jerusalem had on new looking clothing, not rags. Even though Lehi and his family may have been wealthy, not everyone in Jerusalem was. I also thought a lot of the acting was quite poor. Many shots were so obviously staged. Just my 2 cents worth.. Overall, I'm glad I saw it though. It's better than a lot of the trash movies playing. Anyone else seen the film? What are your thoughts? Doug Jim Cobabe wrote: Making the rounds of Utah theatres, panned by the critics: THE BOOK OF MORMON MOVIE, VOLUME 1: THE JOURNEY ** Proving that good intentions don't translate to good filmmaking, the first part of director Gary Rogers' ambitious live-action series (based on LDS scripture) is a lackluster re-telling of the books of Nephi, with actor Noah Danby making a bland hero. Running time: 119 minutes. PG-13 (violence, brief gore). (5-Star, Gateway, Holladay, Jordan Landing, Megaplex 17, Ritz.) (Sept. 12, 2003) // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / -- -- Out the modem, through the POP, down the T1, off the router, down the OC3 ...nothin' but Net. Name: Doug McGee E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] Where have all the Mormon feminists gone?
Newsflash - Women with less than 18 year old children at home are not allowed to work at the temple. I served in the Washington DC temple for several years, and then in the Raleigh temple for two stints, until I couldn't handle working at the temple (fully qualified in all roles other than the Baptistery), being a scout leader and being seminary supervisor all at once. My wife could not be a temple worker because we had two children at home under 18. And I fully agree. But otherwise, I fully agree with what you said in this post. Jon - Original Message - From: Chet Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2003 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [ZION] Where have all the Mormon feminists gone? The quick and easy answer to the subject question is: they (including feminists such as Gordon B. Hinckley) are still faithful members of the Church. The controversial answer is: just what is meant by the term feminist? Its original meaning was one who sought equal rights, blessings, and respect to women. By that meaning, the gospel is the most feminist (as well as equal opportunity) doctrine in the universe. Somehow, the term was usurped by male-hating people. This sort of thing makes life difficult for dictionary editors. Sister Stack seems to be grumbling sour grapes in her article. Many of the improvements she cites are not new to the Church. And some of it is just bone-headed wrong. For instance, we had two less-than-18 teenagers in our home during the year that Cherie was an assistant director for the baptistry in the Provo Temple. (No, I was not the director. I was another assistant.) I can't remember anything from the CHoI saying that women with younger-than-18 kids at home were disallowed to work in the temple. Certainly there has been unrighteous domininion with much of it being male towards female. The scriptures are plain on this (as plain as they are that such males have no true authority and are in for a whuppin' some day) and the prophets have decried it from Joseph to Gordon. But Stack seems to when one evil (unrighteous dominion) was being fought with another evil. I notice she complained about President Benson's talk without quoting his talk, but added what she wanted her audience to think he said. And why did she not mention that President Benson gave similar council to the fathers in Zion? Does anyone really think that President Benson's councilor (President Hinckley) thus thought worse of his own mother, a working woman? And her whole tone is that of the stereotype of the soldier who is upset there is no more war to fight. So the real answer is: Mormon feminists haven't gone anywhere. They're still here, working to build the Kingdom of God, male and female, helpers meet for each other. *jeep! --Chet Start by doing what's necessary, then what's possible, and suddenly you are doing the impossible. The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] Women working in the temple (was feminists)
No. It is definitely a cannot according to both our Temple President and our Stake President. Jon - Original Message - From: Valerie Nielsen Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2003 3:35 PM Subject: Re: [ZION] Women working in the temple (was feminists) On Mon, 6 Oct 2003 00:46:18 GMT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -- Valerie Nielsen Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This IS the current way it works. My sister and her husband have been temple workers for years. They have 6 children. About 3 or 4 years ago, President Hinckley said that women with children under 18 could not be temple workers. Chet asks: Did he say could not, or should not? It does seem that there are many exceptions. Funny how one word makes all the difference. I don't remember--he probably said should although Temple presidents interpreted it could. It seemed pretty strong, as I recall. So I wonder if it's really not on an individual basis that it's actually decided. Before I forget, where was your sister the baptistry supervisor? Louisville? Chicago. After Tom died last year, I'd frequently go up with them, and when I was done with a session, I'd help her out in the Bapistry, then we'd all do an evening session together before going home. I love the temple. But, I've been bad and haven't been up all summer! I'll repent. It sure makes the day-to-day drugery easier. . .of course, Conference has had that effect on me as well. I even felt strong, today, and called my (former?) sister-in-law (haven't heard from ANY of Tom's family since he died), and asked if she'd make the cakes for Christopher's graduation in June. She agreed! Ah, the Spirit is good! Huzzah to you for your initiative in letting the Notre Dame TV station know they were doing a good job! Bonus points to Valerie! Aw, shucks! val *jeep! ~~Chet If ya thinks ya is right, ya deserfs credit - even if ya is wrong. Gus Segar via Popeye The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! / / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / .:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:. «¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
