Re: [ZION] Definitions
At 07:22 PM 11/5/2003, you wrote: I think that just as there are true doctrines and the twisted apostate faux copies made by Satan, there are true passions and then there are faux passions created by Satan. Therefore, I believe God is capable of love, but not lust. God is capable of a Godly hatred of wickedness, but not an evil hatred of all. God is capable of desire, but does not fly into a rage of jealousy. Lust in a perfected state is still lust. Love in its perfected state is called charity. Well, again it might be a matter of semantics, but what about a lust for righteousness? -- Steven Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] Who was Joseph Smith? The Book of Mormon tells us he was of the seed of Joseph that was sold into Egypt, and hence he was selected as Abraham was to fulfil a work upon the earth. God chose this young man. He was ignorant of letters as the world has it, but the most profoundly learned and intelligent man that I ever met in my life, and I have traveled hundreds of thousands of miles, been on different continents and mingled among all classes and creeds of people, yet I have never met a man so intelligent as he was. And where did he get his intelligence from? Not from books, not from the logic or science or philosophy of the day, but he obtained it through the revelation of God made known to him through the medium of the everlasting gospel.John Taylor // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
RE: [ZION] Definitions
-Original Message- From: Steven Montgomery [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 9:38 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ZION] Definitions At 07:22 PM 11/5/2003, you wrote: I think that just as there are true doctrines and the twisted apostate faux copies made by Satan, there are true passions and then there are faux passions created by Satan. Therefore, I believe God is capable of love, but not lust. God is capable of a Godly hatred of wickedness, but not an evil hatred of all. God is capable of desire, but does not fly into a rage of jealousy. Lust in a perfected state is still lust. Love in its perfected state is called charity. Well, again it might be a matter of semantics, but what about a lust for righteousness? Said Brother Young to his wife on their wedding night: I have a righteous lust for your temple of the Lord. That kind lust for righteousness? Ron // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
RE: [ZION] Definitions
-Original Message- From: Steven Montgomery [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 9:59 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ZION] Definitions At 07:56 AM 11/6/2003, you wrote: -Original Message- From: Steven Montgomery [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 9:38 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ZION] Definitions At 07:22 PM 11/5/2003, you wrote: I think that just as there are true doctrines and the twisted apostate faux copies made by Satan, there are true passions and then there are faux passions created by Satan. Therefore, I believe God is capable of love, but not lust. God is capable of a Godly hatred of wickedness, but not an evil hatred of all. God is capable of desire, but does not fly into a rage of jealousy. Lust in a perfected state is still lust. Love in its perfected state is called charity. Well, again it might be a matter of semantics, but what about a lust for righteousness? Said Brother Young to his wife on their wedding night: I have a righteous lust for your temple of the Lord. That kind lust for righteousness? Ron Would that be Brother Steve or Brigham? Actually, the last name was Jones. // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
RE: [ZION] Definitions (was: RE: Eternal Life vs. Immortality)
-Original Message- From: Stephen Beecroft [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 12:15 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ZION] Definitions (was: RE: Eternal Life vs. Immortality) SNIP I believe this is the case with God's hatred of sinful and unrepentant individuals. Some object to the term hate, thinking that somehow it lessens God's majesty or perfection to hate anyone or anything; or perhaps they're afraid that if perfect love does not preclude hatred, maybe God won't love them. As I wrote before, I don't understand the psychological reasons, even in myself, that people have such a strong reaction to the clear scriptural teaching that God's love is conditional. Perhaps because it's NOT CLEAR and flies in the face of all that the gospel teaches? SNIP As to your specific example of eternal life vs. immortality, I believe current prophetic usage of the terms has established that eternal life == exaltation, while immortality == resurrection. You may hold private definitions, of course, but in public conversation one generally reverts to the established meanings. Really? I've missed it. But, I suppose a rose by another name would smell as sweet. Maybe not. Depends on what's behind the other name. Ron // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] Definitions (was: RE: Eternal Life vs. Immortality)
At 10:15 AM 11/5/2003, Stephen Beecroft wrote: I believe this is the case with God's hatred of sinful and unrepentant individuals. Some object to the term hate, thinking that somehow it lessens God's majesty or perfection to hate anyone or anything; or perhaps they're afraid that if perfect love does not preclude hatred, maybe God won't love them. Joseph Smith taught (Or at least someone authorized by Joseph Smith) in the Lectures On Faith, that not only was God a God of passions but was a being in whom, . . . all fulness and perfection dwell. Furthermore, in order to exercise complete faith in God unto Salvation, man must have a correct understanding of God's character, perfections, and attributes. I believe Joseph Smith. I believe that God experiences *all* the passions that we humans do, including hate, jealousy, envy, and yes--even lust--but only in their perfected state. Is God a jealous God? Yes, but his jealousy is that of a perfected state. Is God a envious God? Yes, but his envy is that of a perfected state. In other words, I don't believe there is a passion or emotion, that we humans usually think of as negative ones, that God doesn't possess. God however, experiences hate and envy in a far different manner than us mortals do. -- Steven Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] Do I err, then, in believing that the universe is built upon symbols, to the end that it may bear record of its all-wise Architect and Builder? God teaches with symbols; it is his favorite method of teaching. The Savior often used them. (Orson F. Whitney, Improvement Era, August 1927) // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
