[Zope-dev] Re: Unify the Zope 2 and Zope 3 repositories!

2006-06-27 Thread Chris Withers

Max M wrote:

Well, the sooner better...

...this comes mainly from my desire to see the exponential 
combination of branches problem go away...


Technically speaking, isn't that a squared problem?


That depends how many pieces of software are involved ;-)

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Re: [Zope-dev] DomainAuthenticationMode with Sockets

2006-06-27 Thread Juan Javier Carrera Obrero




It is true. 

Sorry, I had enabled a wrong IP. The source computer does not access
directly but it access by means of a different machine of which IP had
to be enabled.

Oh yes, the DomainAuthentication works successfully after the
"domain_auth_mode" has been activated.

Reference (Phil Harris email):
http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-dev/2004-March/021987.html


Thanks !



Dieter Maurer escribi:

  Juan Javier Carrera Obrero wrote at 2006-6-26 09:52 +0200:
  
  
...
Does the DomainAuthenticationMode of a acl_user folder runs 
successfully via Socket ?

  
  
What should "via Socket" mean?

All standard HTTP requests work "via socket".

"DomainAuthentication" seems to work because there have
been occasional questions in the mailing list and
usually no followups after the "domain_auth_mode" has
been activated.

Cannot tell you why it does not work for you...



  



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[Zope-PAS] New to PAS

2006-06-27 Thread Jeff Peterson

Hi all,

Is there any localized documentation for using PAS?

I read this one: 
http://tech.canterburyschool.org/tech/UsingPluggableAuthentication and 
that helped me to get it installed and give me the general idea that I 
could use this.  But some more specific documentation would be nice.


I looked around google.com but nothing else immediately popped into view 
for me.


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Re: [Zope-PAS] New to PAS

2006-06-27 Thread Tino Wildenhain
Jeff Peterson wrote:
 Hi all,
 
 Is there any localized documentation for using PAS?
 
 I read this one:
 http://tech.canterburyschool.org/tech/UsingPluggableAuthentication and
 that helped me to get it installed and give me the general idea that I
 could use this.  But some more specific documentation would be nice.
 
 I looked around google.com but nothing else immediately popped into view
 for me.

There isnt even an unlocalized documentation as far as I know ;)
(beside the source of course ;)

Feel free to pop in.

Regards
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Re: [Zope-PAS] New to PAS

2006-06-27 Thread Jeff Peterson

Chris McDonough wrote:

Jeff,

FWIW, PAS is a framework, which is shorthand for software that is 
meant to be built upon that is not documented very well ;-)


If you give us an idea of what you want to do, I'm sure somebody can 
point you in the right direction (even if the instruction is look at 
this source code file).


In the meantime, reading the PAS interfaces in its interfaces 
directory is instructive just to give you an idea of what it *can* do.


- C


On Jun 27, 2006, at 11:57 AM, Jeff Peterson wrote:


Hi all,

Is there any localized documentation for using PAS?

I read this one: 
http://tech.canterburyschool.org/tech/UsingPluggableAuthentication 
and that helped me to get it installed and give me the general idea 
that I could use this.  But some more specific documentation would be 
nice.


I looked around google.com but nothing else immediately popped into 
view for me.


Regards,

--Jeffrey D Peterson

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At this point I have discerned that I likely want to use the scriptable 
plugin as I need to access an existing DB with usernames and passwords.  
What I am trying to get my hands around is how I will do that 
specifically.  I assume that I will use some combination of ZSQLMethods 
and scripts, much like I am doing currently (I am basically porting an 
existing login system written by myself that utilizes the built-in 
sessions)  PAS was suggested to me as a means to better manage the user 
not only for logging in to their account but also in applying roles, etc.


I was hoping that there was a how-to or something but since there isn't 
my only recourse is to just keep fiddling till I get it. :)  At least 
there is this list, and from my past experiences with other Zope 
developers, this should be of use.


Thanks for the fast responses, I'll look at this some more and try and 
develop some more specific and intelligent questions.


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Re: [Zope-PAS] New to PAS

2006-06-27 Thread Jeff Peterson

Ok,

After poking around PAS for a while I think I have a bit of a handle on 
it. 

This seems to be built primarily for managing Zope users.  My solution 
needs to be able to manage a group of existing users not in Zope 
currently.  Is this something that can be done?  I know I can create SQL 
methods to get data but I am not sure I see how I can use the current 
data with this framework.  Can this be used without an actual userObject 
in the user folder?  Can I, for example, use the framework to prompt a 
login, gather the username and password, authenticate it against the sql 
and manage the roles without a userObject in the acl_users folder?  Or, 
if the former is true could they(the userObjects) be created on the fly, 
say on the first login, so that afterward they existed?


Maybe I am way off base or am misunderstanding something.  Any direction 
would be appreciated.


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[Zope-PAS] Re: New to PAS

2006-06-27 Thread Tres Seaver
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Jeff Peterson wrote:
 Ok,
 
 After poking around PAS for a while I think I have a bit of a handle on it.
 This seems to be built primarily for managing Zope users.  My solution
 needs to be able to manage a group of existing users not in Zope
 currently.  Is this something that can be done?  I know I can create SQL
 methods to get data but I am not sure I see how I can use the current
 data with this framework.  Can this be used without an actual userObject
 in the user folder?  Can I, for example, use the framework to prompt a
 login, gather the username and password, authenticate it against the sql
 and manage the roles without a userObject in the acl_users folder?  Or,
 if the former is true could they(the userObjects) be created on the fly,
 say on the first login, so that afterward they existed?
 
 Maybe I am way off base or am misunderstanding something.  Any direction
 would be appreciated.

PAS does not use a persistent user object at all.  One of its plugins
(the ZODBUserManager plugin) stores *data* about a user in the ZODB.
The user object is in fact created for each request, and can be modified
at creation time by any of the properties, groups, or roles plugins.

In your case, you would write an authentication plugin which verified
your user's credentials via a ZSQL query, and computed the user's ID
(which would not necessarily be her login name).  After that, other
plugins might add groups, roles, or properties to the 'PropertiedUser'.


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Re: [Zope-PAS] New to PAS

2006-06-27 Thread Chris McDonough

PAS makes no assumptions about where data exists.

In most configurations, it creates a user object on the fly for each  
request which isn't persisted anywhere (IUserFactory).  You can ideed  
prompt for a login (by writing an IChallengePlugin or using an  
existing one) and gather the username and password (by wrting an  
IExtractionPlugin or using an existing one),  authenticate it against  
the SQL database (by writing an IAuthenticationPlugin),  and assign  
the user roles using data in the SQL database (IRolesPlugin).


I'm afraid there's nowhere to go from here except to read the  
existing plugins and peruse the interfaces to get a sense of what  
hooks your code needs to provide to be a PAS plugin.  I searched a  
bit to try to find some example code that uses a relational database,  
but came up dry.


- C

On Jun 27, 2006, at 3:04 PM, Jeff Peterson wrote:


Ok,

After poking around PAS for a while I think I have a bit of a  
handle on it.
This seems to be built primarily for managing Zope users.  My  
solution needs to be able to manage a group of existing users not  
in Zope currently.  Is this something that can be done?  I know I  
can create SQL methods to get data but I am not sure I see how I  
can use the current data with this framework.  Can this be used  
without an actual userObject in the user folder?  Can I, for  
example, use the framework to prompt a login, gather the username  
and password, authenticate it against the sql and manage the roles  
without a userObject in the acl_users folder?  Or, if the former is  
true could they(the userObjects) be created on the fly, say on the  
first login, so that afterward they existed?


Maybe I am way off base or am misunderstanding something.  Any  
direction would be appreciated.


Regards,

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[Zope-PAS] PAS instance

2006-06-27 Thread Jeff Peterson
So how do I get PAS to prompt for credentials?  I created a PAS object, 
and inside that a scriptable plugin.  Inside that a script called 
challenge and a loginForm which challenge redirects to for input, I set 
that as my interface and activated it.  Then I went to the folder level 
and changed the permissions like I would for the userFolder to prompt 
for a user/pass but it just pulls up the acquired start page.


What am I doing wrong?  No errors are generated that I can see, but I am 
not getting to my login screen either.  Should this work similarly to 
the standard user folder? Or, do I have to specifically call something?


TIA,

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[Zope-PAS] Re: PAS instance

2006-06-27 Thread Tres Seaver
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Jeff Peterson wrote:
 So how do I get PAS to prompt for credentials?  I created a PAS object,
 and inside that a scriptable plugin.  Inside that a script called
 challenge and a loginForm which challenge redirects to for input, I set
 that as my interface and activated it.  Then I went to the folder level
 and changed the permissions like I would for the userFolder to prompt
 for a user/pass but it just pulls up the acquired start page.
 
 What am I doing wrong?  No errors are generated that I can see, but I am
 not getting to my login screen either.  Should this work similarly to
 the standard user folder? Or, do I have to specifically call something?

You need to register whichever plugins are responsible for the given
interfaces, either via the Activate tab of the individual plugin, or
else by visiting the 'plugins' object and setting up its registry
entries for each interface.


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Re: [Zope] OracleStorage - DCOracle2

2006-06-27 Thread Marco Bizzarri

On 6/26/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi all!!

I need save the zope objects in an Oracle 8.1.7 Database,who I'm trying do
it with DCOracle2 Product.

My initial problem is I need save objects in Oracle Database who reside in
other machine distinc Zope resides. Due to it, I have a compilation
problem because Oracle server resides in other machine(error:
/ora00/ora8i/u01/app/oracle/product/8.1.7/lib/libclntsh.so not readable;


Does this file exist on the Zope machine?
Is it readable by the user you're using to compile DCOracle2?

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[Zope] Re: Improved Zope Org Proposal

2006-06-27 Thread Maik Ihde

 This is sounding more bizzare with each day and it doesnt feel good.  
 Zope cant maintain a friggin web site?  Isnt that rich.

Taht's not the point. The problem is not the technology, but the human resources
you need to fill such a big Zope Website with Life (i.E. hi quality content).
The Plone Community has achieved this goal, so methinks we should think what
they did to make it happen...

We have the same problem in Germany regarding http://www.zope.de/ which will
soon be relaunched (see http://new.zope.de/ ) - it's just a very few people that
can spend some of their limited time. So it's going foward slowly and we do not
have as much content already there, as I personally wish. However we hope to
attract some more people within the German speaking Community and to get more
content in there after the launch...

Kind Regards from Munich
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[Zope] Re: Improved Zope Org Proposal

2006-06-27 Thread Maik Ihde
 has offered resources to accomplish this to finally happen.  They
 currently have taken the artistic work done by Tom Von Lahndorff and put
 it online at http://new.zope.nl for preview.  I'd like to forward

Which looks great, methinks. And an advertising Site for Zope should look
exciiting, as ror and other hyped frameworks have shown already.

 A group of people in the (Plone) community have volunteered
 their time and resources to put together an improved,
 **interim** zope.org site.  We understand that work is

Hmm. I agree that it is a good Idea, to improve zope.org quickly and I think
that this way looks promising. However, such **interim** Solutions tend to last
longer than they are expected to last. We should be aware that this interim
Solution may be there for a couple of years. 

 * Existing community content on zope.org will NOT be migrated.

Good Idea - there is so much outdated content there.

   The content will be made available on ZC's existing server
   via URL rewriting (to keep existing links from breaking) or
   by moving everything to an old.zope.org domain.  The best
   content will be migrated by hand to PloneHelpCenter / 
   PloneSoftwareCenter products.

+1 if the old stuff is still accessible and if any noob can see that this is old
 stuff...

 * The zope.org site should acknowledge contributors in a overt fashion.
 Zope Rock Stars who have risen up above the call of duty,
 contributors, etc should be noted.  The Foundation can determine how to
 implement this, but those paying for and providing services should
 receive acknowledgment.

Yes that ist an important point. If you acknowledge content contributors they
(and maybe others) will more likely keep on contributing. The documentation Area
on plone.org shows the authors picture for tutorials - I believe that there are
quite a few people out there which will be motivated by a small photo + text
which recognises the author...

Kind Regards
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Re: [Zope] Improved Zope Org Proposal

2006-06-27 Thread Chris Withers

David H wrote:
This is sounding more bizzare with each day and it doesnt feel good.  
Zope cant maintain a friggin web site?  Isnt that rich.


Hey David,

Cool, thanks so much for volunteering to provide all the resources, 
coders and support staff to look after a 10,000 user site with all the 
problems that entails.


Oh? What's that? You weren't volunteering?

Then stfu ;-)

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[Zope] Re: Improved Zope Org Proposal

2006-06-27 Thread Max M

Chris Withers wrote:

David H wrote:
This is sounding more bizzare with each day and it doesnt feel good.  
Zope cant maintain a friggin web site?  Isnt that rich.


Hey David,

Cool, thanks so much for volunteering to provide all the resources, 
coders and support staff to look after a 10,000 user site with all the 
problems that entails.


Oh? What's that? You weren't volunteering?



Personally I have not visited zope.org for a few years for anything 
other than releases. And I am a long time pro developer.


It seems pretty obvious these days that having a one-shop zope.org site 
is too ambitious. Perhaps even wrong guided.



I wouldn't even know what should be on it. Zope 2 development mostly 
means Plone these days. Plone has a great site already, so no reason to 
do to much about that.



Pure Zope 3 is in even less use than pure Zope 2.

The exciting stuff is going on in Five and 2-3 integration. But why the 
heck make a site about that?


You could say that zope has been beaten by its own success.


The only sensible approach I can see is to make a new zope.org with 
releases, installation guides etc. It should also showcases the great 
cms/applications that are build on top of it. With links to those sites.


On those individual sites there are lots of documentation, product 
releases programming tricks etc.



Eg. I develop in Plone, and practically all I knew about programming in 
pure Zope 2 is useless now that I am using UML/AT/AGX in Plone. It's 
like assembly language to a python programmer. I assume that it is the 
same for other frameworks.


Having a 'Products' section on zope.org probably doesn't even make sense 
anymore. It is simply to low level.



Drop all the old documentation and move it to old.zope.org. Just in 
cases there is a nugget somewhere.



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Re: [Zope] Re: Improved Zope Org Proposal

2006-06-27 Thread Jens Vagelpohl

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On 27 Jun 2006, at 11:46, Max M wrote:
Eg. I develop in Plone, and practically all I knew about  
programming in pure Zope 2 is useless now that I am using UML/AT/ 
AGX in Plone. It's like assembly language to a python programmer. I  
assume that it is the same for other frameworks.


Having a 'Products' section on zope.org probably doesn't even make  
sense anymore. It is simply to low level.


I agree with all your points, but not with dropping the Products  
section. Believe it or not, there is life outside of Plone. Yes, for  
most people that seems to be a strange notion nowadays. There are a  
few odd people who don't use it and who are running pure Zope products.


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Re: [Zope] Re: Improved Zope Org Proposal

2006-06-27 Thread Jake
Zope.org is becoming a worse and worse face of Zope.

If anyone were to ask me about Zope at this point, I would point them to
Plone.org which not only has more relevant data, better searches, better
organization but, of course, looks good.

Just my personal opinion, but if Zope Corp is going to use the namesake of
Zope they should also take on Zope.org as a full responsibility, meaning
all aspects with someone who is a full time Zope.org person.

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On Tue, June 27, 2006 5:46 am, Max M said:
 Chris Withers wrote:
 David H wrote:
 This is sounding more bizzare with each day and it doesnt feel good.
 Zope cant maintain a friggin web site?  Isnt that rich.

 Hey David,

 Cool, thanks so much for volunteering to provide all the resources,
 coders and support staff to look after a 10,000 user site with all the
 problems that entails.

 Oh? What's that? You weren't volunteering?


 Personally I have not visited zope.org for a few years for anything
 other than releases. And I am a long time pro developer.

 It seems pretty obvious these days that having a one-shop zope.org site
 is too ambitious. Perhaps even wrong guided.


 I wouldn't even know what should be on it. Zope 2 development mostly
 means Plone these days. Plone has a great site already, so no reason to
 do to much about that.


 Pure Zope 3 is in even less use than pure Zope 2.

 The exciting stuff is going on in Five and 2-3 integration. But why the
 heck make a site about that?

 You could say that zope has been beaten by its own success.


 The only sensible approach I can see is to make a new zope.org with
 releases, installation guides etc. It should also showcases the great
 cms/applications that are build on top of it. With links to those sites.

 On those individual sites there are lots of documentation, product
 releases programming tricks etc.


 Eg. I develop in Plone, and practically all I knew about programming in
 pure Zope 2 is useless now that I am using UML/AT/AGX in Plone. It's
 like assembly language to a python programmer. I assume that it is the
 same for other frameworks.

 Having a 'Products' section on zope.org probably doesn't even make sense
 anymore. It is simply to low level.


 Drop all the old documentation and move it to old.zope.org. Just in
 cases there is a nugget somewhere.


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Re: [Zope] Improved Zope Org Proposal

2006-06-27 Thread David H

Chris Withers wrote:


David H wrote:

This is sounding more bizzare with each day and it doesnt feel good.  
Zope cant maintain a friggin web site?  Isnt that rich.



Hey David,

Cool, thanks so much for volunteering to provide all the resources, 
coders and support staff to look after a 10,000 user site with all the 
problems that entails.


Oh? What's that? You weren't volunteering?

Then stfu ;-)

Chris


LOL yeah ok.

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[Zope] storing blob data in SQLServer using ZSQL

2006-06-27 Thread Satchidanand Haridas

Hi,

How can I save blob data in SQLServer using ZSQLs? I'm using mxODBC. I 
have a ZSQL that looks something like this:



update
table_name
set
blob_data = dtml-sqlvar i_blob_data type=nb
where
conditions

But I get the following error when I run the above ZSQL:

ProgrammingError: ('07002', 0, '[Microsoft][ODBC SQL Server 
Driver]COUNT field incorrect or syntax error', 6108) 



Any comments will be much appreciated.

thanks,
Satchit

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[Zope] ConflictError with *one* ZEO client?

2006-06-27 Thread Richard Jones
I've got a zopectl script I'm trying to run with the zopectl run command. It 
crashes out with a ConflictError even if there are no other ZEO clients 
connected to the ZEO store. I've restarted the ZEO store, no change.

Any advice? Ideas?


Richard
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Re: [Zope] ConflictError with *one* ZEO client?

2006-06-27 Thread Dennis Allison

Which Zope are you using?  Set the logging level to BLATHER and try 
running with runzope rather than zopectl and see what happens.   The
event log should help localize the problem.  Be sure to check both the 
ZEO logs and the Zope logs.

Also, it helps if you post the traceback.


On Wed, 28 Jun 2006, Richard Jones wrote:

 I've got a zopectl script I'm trying to run with the zopectl run command. 
 It 
 crashes out with a ConflictError even if there are no other ZEO clients 
 connected to the ZEO store. I've restarted the ZEO store, no change.
 
 Any advice? Ideas?
 
 
 Richard
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Re: [Zope] ConflictError with *one* ZEO client?

2006-06-27 Thread Richard Jones
On Wednesday 28 June 2006 11:35, you wrote:
 Which Zope are you using?  Set the logging level to BLATHER and try
 running with runzope rather than zopectl and see what happens.   The
 event log should help localize the problem.  Be sure to check both the
 ZEO logs and the Zope logs.

 Also, it helps if you post the traceback.

Quite so, I apologise for the apalling lack of detail in my post. I'm going to 
try to reproduce the problem in a few hours. I'll post details then.


Richard
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[Zope] (no subject)

2006-06-27 Thread LYNN
zope,hi

 i need a kind of content type that describing network device such as 
router,swtich and server .i can use those content object access actual network 
device by snmp.
 can you tell me are there this kind content type? give me some  
interrelated  information ,let me learn about it .

thinks!


sincerely!



LYNN
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Re: [Zope] Improved Zope Org Proposal

2006-06-27 Thread Andrew Sawyers
On Tue, 2006-06-27 at 09:50 +0200, Lennart Regebro wrote:
 On 6/27/06, John Schinnerer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  This is a basic principle of design that works (as opposed to design
  that fails to work).
  Start small and work the edges outwards.
  The work edges outwards that works is often modular in nature (perhaps
  a.k.a. 'micro-sites').
  That doesn't mean it can't look-and-feel like one big site as access
  point.
 
  Biting off more than one (person, organization, whatever) can chew
  usually results in choking...
 
 Exactly my points.
 
  So I actually see a lot of agreement in what may appear to be argument.
 
 Well, the proposal is to start only with the accesspoint (and the
 origonal proposal did not contain anything else than the access point,
 and also proposed it to be interim, for some reason).
This is not true Lennart.  I'm not going to keep arguing with you; but I
think it was clear from what I originally sent this is not as you
describe it.  Of course, I wrote it - and maybe I'm thinking more to
myself about what I mean then saying it.

  We can't start
 with only the accesspoint, as we would have no product listing and ...
I wonder how all the other successful projects out there manage to not
have an arbitrary products listing managed in their sites.  PHP, JAVA,
RoR, Python, ad nauseum.  I just don't see how it's the sole stopping
point.  Write the 'Zope product' management software and expose it as a
service - put it on the site.  Nearly everyone uses Google to find
anything they care about anyhow.

No one said bag the collectors.  Rewrite http://www.zope.org/Collectors/
to collectors.zope.org and that's done.
 no collector other than at old.zope.org, which would be completely
 bizarre. We have to start, as a minimum, with creating a
 products.zope.org and a collector.zope.org (or maybe rather
 bugs.zope.org) before we can replace www.zope.org. 
 None of this is hard to do. It should be doable in a couple of days worth of 
 work, in
 any case less than a week.
Are you volunteering to do those two things in the next week?  If so,
then maybe we can move forward if the foundation has interest.

Andrew

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