Re: [Zope] Beginners Confusion
Russell Winter wrote: If you have the time, could I bug you for another question directly, please. Ask the list, always ask the list ;-) I have my main Zope instance, each primary team is going to have their own Zope Instance with Plone in their own Products directory. You could look at the third product directory option that used to be enabled by setting the PRODUCTS_PATH environment variable, should be an option in zope.conf somewhere now... I have seen and read something that seems to relate to also being able to run multiple Plone instances within the same Zope server, but each Plone instance has its own folder (on the file-system) to store some of its files in as well as using the Zope Zope database, I am reading this correctly? - yes you can have as many plone instances as you like in one zope instance - they all run off the same software, so they will be the same version of Plohn, etc... - you can get them in different places on disk my using mounted storages, you'll have to have a google and fiddle. This is part of the standard zope software, read zope.conf ;-) - mounted storages are still ZODB-based, there's no such thing as file system storage ;-) cheers, Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Beginners Confusion
Hi Russell, Russell Winter wrote: Thanks for the prompt response, the reason behind keeping the users separate is that each team wants to feel that they have some control over their destiny's and we are happy to pander to this thought, they also each have a completely different set of visitors to the sites and wish to keep their sites separate. From our perspective, we also want to have that little more control over each team but in the way of resources but allow them some flexibility in their choices. Fair Enough. However, I had worked out that instances seemed to be the way to go, but I confused myself more by trying to setup and instance for a test user and failing dismally, the instance error'd in a number of ways, mostly I figured to do with permissions. This will just take time to work through I think. Yup, but it is the way to go... cheers, Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
WAS [Zope] Beginners Confusion - NOW I Think I have Pegged It
Folks Firstly, thanks to all those who replied... I am pleased to say that I have an Test installation working .. Whoohoo..! If anyone see's any gapping security, configuration holes or poor practices, please drop me a line, otherwise, I have document the how's and what's of what I finally ended up doing so that it might save someone else the time, effort and frustration I had. After much banging of heads, scratching of unmentionables and a "little" bit of swearing, I think I have it pegged... OK, start off with my major mistakes; 1) I chose to installthe "pristine" application in a /home/user directory, this now appears to have been a bad choice due to permissions and access issues. I really just needed a non-root user account to actually run Zope, not a non-root user account to install it in... 2) I hadn't fully read and comprehended the zope.conf comments I have now read (numerous times) the comments and am beginning to get a better understanding of the intracasacies Our Environment; CentOS 4.2 x86_64 cPanel Management Zope 2.8.2-final, python 2.3.5, linux2 Python Version2.3.5 (#2, Sep 28 2005, 03:41:37) [GCC 3.4.3 20050227 (Red Hat 3.4.3-22.1)] What I have done now; 1) I have installed the "pristine" application under /usr/local/Zope, configured zope to run as the original planned user (zope.conf effective-user parameter) (I actually just copied the original, modified zope.conf and runzope to suit) 2) Made the appropriate user directory for the department/group wishing to run a Zope instance 3) NOTE: I think this part is theoretically correct but should be run as the new user, not as root, so as not to have to chown the user files afterwards, I haven't tried this yet to see if that is right. I ran (?as root?) /usr/localZope/bin/mkzopeinstance.py to install the appropriate instance files in the new users home directory (answer and remember the appropriate login details) 3a) I then had to chown the files, but as I said, I think running mkzopeinstance.py as the right user would negate this 4) Modify etc/zope.conf to set the effective-user, database size limit and modify management ports to those that are unused for any other application (also modifying my firewall config to allow access) 5) Run bin/zopectl start - login with the appropriate credentials used in the mkzopeinstance procedure Check that everything looks to be ok 6) untar the appropriate componemts (I installed CMF and Plone) in to the users products directory Restart ZopeServer (zopectl restart) 8) Select Root, add a new Plone Site, (Remember the name you give it for use in the httpd rewrite rule below) 7) As I am running behind Apache, configure httpd.conf for the domain and add Rewrite Proxy directives and rewrite rules to the new plone site instance. I believe this allows me to achieve, multiple instances for multiple users, each having their own ZopeServer to control, their own Plone and other component control, I can manage DB size and disk usagethrough zope.conf (I assigned read only rights to the users after I modified it) and bandwidth through mod_bandwidth on apache. The users have normal FTP and email access to their own local virtual machines without effecting any other services or users on the machine. I now will be trying to setup MySQL access and some other components to try out, document management etc and skins/themes is on the list the get my head around. Thanks again Russ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Russell WinterSent: Friday, December 02, 2005 7:47 AMTo: zope@zope.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [Zope] Beginners Confusion Folks, I am trying to understand instances, any help or suggestions would be appreciated as I am obviously missing something. I would like to have each user having, either, their own Zope Server binaries (including CMF Plone) in their home directories. Alternatively, as multiple Zope Servers on one machine will be quite a resource eater, (probably 20 main users) is it possible to have just one Zope Server and multiple instances of the database/CMF/Plone for the users? All user instances and content including the database entries would need to be accounted for in andinstalled in their own home directories to allow us to control and manageeachuser or groupsbandwidth and quota's etc etc. Is this possible? If so, is there a how-to or something I have not found yet or some advice would be appreciated. I have several books on Zope now and none of them seem to describe instances or multiple user configurations in any detail. I am looking for each department/user/group to be able to manage,for the most part, their own web-services, but with us still managing the usual operating and application environments. Tha
Re: [Zope] Beginners Confusion
Russell Winter wrote: I would like to have each user having, either, their own Zope Server binaries (including CMF Plone) in their home directories. Why? What's the use case here? I'd install the binaries for each version of Zope once. Plone, much as it pretends not to be, is just an add-on product. I'd use mkzopeinstance for each user, put the instance in their home directory and put any additional software such as Plone in the Poducts directory of the instance... cheers, Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Beginners Confusion
On 12/1/05, Russell Winter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alternatively, as multiple Zope Servers on one machine will be quite a resource eater, (probably 20 main users) is it possible to have just one Zope Server and multiple instances of the database/CMF/Plone for the users? Sure. Although it gets tricky if you want to have different product versions for them. All user instances and content including the database entries would need to be accounted for in and installed in their own home directories to allow us to control and manage each user or groups bandwidth and quota's etc etc. Sligthly more tricky, but still possible. Especially bandwidth can be problematic, but if you have separate domains for each user and have an apache-server that regulates the bandwidth per domain it should be fine. You would also have to mount a separate ZODB for each user. But having one instance per user is probably eaasier. -- Lennart Regebro, Nuxeo http://www.nuxeo.com/ CPS Content Management http://www.cps-project.org/ ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Beginners Confusion
Folks, I am trying to understand instances, any help or suggestions would be appreciated as I am obviously missing something. I would like to have each user having, either, their own Zope Server binaries (including CMF Plone) in their home directories. Alternatively, as multiple Zope Servers on one machine will be quite a resource eater, (probably 20 main users) is it possible to have just one Zope Server and multiple instances of the database/CMF/Plone for the users? All user instances and content including the database entries would need to be accounted for in andinstalled in their own home directories to allow us to control and manageeachuser or groupsbandwidth and quota's etc etc. Is this possible? If so, is there a how-to or something I have not found yet or some advice would be appreciated. I have several books on Zope now and none of them seem to describe instances or multiple user configurations in any detail. I am looking for each department/user/group to be able to manage,for the most part, their own web-services, but with us still managing the usual operating and application environments. Thanks a lot, regards, Russ ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Beginners Confusion
At 07:46 AM 12/2/2005 +1100, Russell Winter wrote: I would like to have each user having, either, their own Zope Server binaries (including CMF Plone) in their home directories. Alternatively, as multiple Zope Servers on one machine will be quite a resource eater, (probably 20 main users) is it possible to have just one Zope Server and multiple instances of the database/CMF/Plone for the users? All user instances and content including the database entries would need to be accounted for in and installed in their own home directories to allow us to control and manage each user or groups bandwidth and quota's etc etc. Hi Russ, You didn't mention platform, but conceptually this windows tutorial may help with your solution regardless of your platform. I set up something similar to his suggestion, running multiple instance of Plone on the same Zope service, so that each instance of Plone can have their own Products directory. This was initially done because CMFBoard wouldn't run with PloneArticle, but we are finding it nice to have different instances for various web site groupings. Anyway, here is the tutorial: http://plone.org/documentation/tutorial/multiple-plone-instances-windows/ Hope it helps, if you have more questions, please let me know. Eric ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
