Re: [Zope-dev] beta.zope.org (www.zope.org relaunch project)
Am 10.05.2011, 06:55 Uhr, schrieb Andreas Jung li...@zopyx.com: Constructive criticism and feedback is welcome _now_. Hi Andreas, along with others I'd like to thank you and the team for taking the time to do this. The new site has a clear message and looks good - not sure if the Zope logo should be repeated three times on the front page (surely the word mark should not be part of The World of Zope) and there are some spelling issues dekade should normally be spelt with a c; Python can either be capitalised or written in quotes but not both... One thing that I think is missing on the resource page is a Products overview - PyPI isn't really suitable for someone wanting to see whether Zope (2) is suitable for them and despite what we now think about how to extend Zope, the Products do provide off-the shelf solutions for many situations; something that as developers we easily overlook. Something like the Plone directory, probably implemented as part of zope2.zope.org, but visible in the resources section. I suspect this means some kind of QS is required as only too many Products will no longer work with current versions of Zope and the onus must be with the Product author or maintainer. Charlie -- Charlie Clark Managing Director Clark Consulting Research German Office Helmholtzstr. 20 Düsseldorf D- 40215 Tel: +49-211-600-3657 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] beta.zope.org (www.zope.org relaunch project)
On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 12:12, Charlie Clark charlie.cl...@clark-consulting.eu wrote: One thing that I think is missing on the resource page is a Products overview - PyPI isn't really suitable for someone wanting to see whether Zope (2) is suitable for them and despite what we now think about how to extend Zope, the Products do provide off-the shelf solutions for many situations; something that as developers we easily overlook. That's not really Products but full applications, like Plone and ERP5 etc. It might be an idea to have a listing for that, but that's not really to determine if Zope is suitable, but to brag of the nice solutions built with Zope. :-) //Lennart ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] beta.zope.org (www.zope.org relaunch project)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Michael Haubenwallner wrote: On Friday, May 13, 2011 12:12:38 PM UTC+2, Charlie Clark wrote: Am 10.05.2011, 06:55 Uhr, schrieb Andreas Jung li...@zopyx.com: Constructive criticism and feedback is welcome _now_. Hi Andreas, along with others I'd like to thank you and the team for taking the time to do this. The new site has a clear message and looks good - not sure if the Zope logo should be repeated three times on the front page (surely the word mark should not be part of The World of Zope) and there are some spelling issues dekade should normally be spelt with a c; Python can either be capitalised or written in quotes but not both... Thank you, typo fixed. We will replace the image with a better resolution and remove the quotes around Python. One thing that I think is missing on the resource page is a Products overview - PyPI isn't really suitable for someone wanting to see whether Zope (2) is suitable for them and despite what we now think about how to extend Zope, the Products do provide off-the shelf solutions for many situations; something that as developers we easily overlook. Something like the Plone directory, probably implemented as part of zope2.zope.org http://zope2.zope.org, but visible in the resources section. I suspect this means some kind of QS is required as only too many Products will no longer work with current versions of Zope and the onus must be with the Product author or maintainer. A products overview could be added, but would need a commitment to creation and maintenance of content. Agreed - this is something we could address later but it needs volunteers and especially commitment - something I am missing sometimes. Andreas - -- ZOPYX Limited | zopyx group Charlottenstr. 37/1 | The full-service network for Zope Plone D-72070 Tübingen| Produce Publish www.zopyx.com | www.produce-and-publish.com - E-Publishing, Python, Zope Plone development, Consulting -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQGUBAEBAgAGBQJNzS5hAAoJEADcfz7u4AZjbFILuwTr+f76/a7g/2+jCEv/9bwN 9guWrl01sYHF/crOpYBctCTHxIlwGrIkH75QOGB2G3X9WIGGpk0Gq6M744c+tA1g spa5dTYzljFo1IKUSQ59X5JtV2jWGENtUx8vExn9H5rM1gZOMME6lJLHnzexRyvC 5OMZtmYFLmDiUOgtWTeMx59UXW1xDkjLg3sbFMOcp/Nm7d82uNtp1ohKgIF7lI0H cIc1Xo3rVNqnm9BJ0Xp0LzMVWXhA5PriEomulrI3HJp6jMF7cdAU/rvfD9TVIEGR UVuQy3X/MElw4llMBqEijfC+cgo2yRO2Y+xM25iFFGIOfTC+SZHEmjWGS/L2ju+q qy6AtiKEtQjpS7vbdFyEnb3gsIyK48JcXFUAikLWbaY4+K9TQGbO2fUOay9S43K8 VoFw8sZuN4oYhRCTsjCQXI4Uk9Dx7o7tadrLGSmBX+/tVKBRDbntwqM5/KMn3nyg VdPymKs7eUWXRN+e7HMVlra9eVtFK/o= =uI2Y -END PGP SIGNATURE- attachment: lists.vcf___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] beta.zope.org (www.zope.org relaunch project)
Great, GO TEAM! On 5/10/11 2:57 AM, Martijn Faassen wrote: And just talk about 'Zope community has grown' instead of starting with Zope Corp. and the Zope community, which I think gives the impression the community is some kind of appendage to Zope corp, the driving force behind it all. While this was true 10 years ago, it isn't today. And Zope corp is a part of the Zope community, right? And we're not talking +1. ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] beta.zope.org (www.zope.org relaunch project)
On 5/10/11 11:01 PM, Andreas Jung wrote: Please take a cup of coffee and relax. Bah, your suggestions conflict! ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] beta.zope.org (www.zope.org relaunch project)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Chris Withers wrote: On 11/05/2011 06:52, Andreas Jung wrote: How do existing Zope contributors help out? Please make your notes. We will pick them up and incorporate for the final version. Further changes should be made by the webmaster which is currently Michael Haubenwaller. This sounds a lot like we don't want your help, kindly go away. (Where your is existing Zope contibutors) Please take a cup of coffee and relax. I brought the project with the mentioned people to the current state and I will finish the project with the same people. I am currently no interested in further controversial discussions about the process how to contribute to the final site. As said: feedback on the list or through private mail to me or Michael is welcome but that's it for now. Too many people involved in the core team of such a project is the death of a project (see the old approach zope.org and the panties icon discussions). Andreas -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQGUBAEBAgAGBQJNyiYmAAoJEADcfz7u4AZjLFILwI3iCYPT2i35FpqSLAa8iLfq 5lp7q3dpzt2WSYVoT9o3CfumKOma/XY32G0QPHlTl9myLbrdJ/AbaCv38Z2kkBpa R3jjYjNvIkoVQYqRZxDEZ/Us9YlSWLjebfKoLly/HXlaYKYMpgb7oSy4T4PuvvUa hhPEwQhJ6keiiHANrVsNcSnjm68Nir5QXFiYPn9/DOo/XtU5/6WPngpYyJ8N97Bd q+MOw16W47dpCwm72tod06oiF7NTAt6f83fnV4uRK5VGmyphbUF6IB6tXC9Y+uVV srwgsoH1nu8zpwerN2FzuMTq8OxIyxZy7dlktWJCsoxCoG4TcgJ0periKHvE1rxe gzSFY/lqsYiMO9S9UR1BqTYOWF7tzu0OShzKGaHfYu32PFwql+VRTuYNY6BYlWVG lM9SMGB4SG4WjcLEfwpNkbIKhrSoNORakRYOg8l+NG14cuLLT7GHR1e4jZHsBMCs Yrew7ysVfhaReSW2Z3T9gSB59XGl6Mo= =zKPP -END PGP SIGNATURE- attachment: lists.vcf___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] beta.zope.org (www.zope.org relaunch project)
Hi Jens, On 5/11/11 1:54 AM, Jens Vagelpohl wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 5/11/11 02:04 , Alex Clark wrote: Hi, On 5/10/11 5:38 AM, Lennart Regebro wrote: On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 09:15, Jens Vagelpohlj...@dataflake.org wrote: I strongly disagree on the term Zope 2. Now is a great time to finally stop the Zope2/3 confusion: Kill that name and start using a more sensible name, such as the Zope application server. Right. However I'm not convinced this is something you can agree/disagree on. Zope 2 exists. Zope 3 does not (it was split apart and renamed). As such, I don't see a problem with referring to it (Zope 2) by name (it's not Voldemort, after all). Someday it will die; but that day is not today. And until that day comes (or it gets renamed, heaven forbid) I would strive for clear and consistent branding (and in this case, I think I would also try to make it clear that Zope 2 is legacy software). Zope 2 was never a brand. It only existed to have a name for the older application server when Zope 3 existed. It led to confusion and still does. The name must go away. It is now the only application server with the Zope name left, and that's a simple, clear and consistent brand. We can help make the Zope 2 name go away by stopping its use on official community sites like the new zope.org. That's a good point. And I didn't mean to suggest Zope2 itself was a brand, just that the Zope brand could be improved by clarifying its offerings. Anyway, I can probably live with Zope being synonymous for Zope 2 application server (like regebro says, it is the status quo.) In which case, the brand becomes synonymous with its most famous offering. Alex jens -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (Darwin) Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org iEYEARECAAYFAk3KJIkACgkQRAx5nvEhZLKBOACffi+SkGRq9/3Ars6S4XzJmRV7 tzUAnii+Et4rAsqUcUHRVO8k3WDne3EE =Shk6 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ) -- Alex Clark · http://aclark.net/training ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] beta.zope.org (www.zope.org relaunch project)
Hi, 2011/5/10 Andreas Jung li...@zopyx.com: Hi there, I am happy to announce that we have made progress with the zope.org relaunch project. The first public version of the new site is now available under http://beta.zope.org Cool! But it would be nice to replace the image on the main page on PNG or JPG format with better quality. --- Cykooz ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] beta.zope.org (www.zope.org relaunch project)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 5/10/11 07:28 , Alex Clark wrote: - Zope is: a brand, a term for any Zope-related technology, a general term. It no longer refers to anything specific. It is all-encompassing. - Zope 2 is the original web application server. - Bluebream is the former-Zope 3 web application server. - ZTK is a set of re-usable libraries. I strongly disagree on the term Zope 2. Now is a great time to finally stop the Zope2/3 confusion: Kill that name and start using a more sensible name, such as the Zope application server. jens -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (Darwin) Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org iEYEARECAAYFAk3I5hIACgkQRAx5nvEhZLIoswCfTAMMjJ3gfrExco99Zd/ZfhHG W0UAn35Ku/331M8NZibsLCshpClU3yXi =VWVk -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] beta.zope.org (www.zope.org relaunch project)
Hi Andreas, On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 06:55, Andreas Jung li...@zopyx.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi there, I am happy to announce that we have made progress with the zope.org relaunch project. The first public version of the new site is now available under http://beta.zope.org Very nice work. I would just like to give a small suggestion, which is to have 301 HTTP redirects from some non conflicting URL spaces on www.zope.org to old.zope.org, so that we don't lose search engine indexing and ranking of the old pages. Ex: the members area: www.zope.org/Members/itamar/CorruptedZODB - old.zope.org/Members/itamar/CorruptedZODB This should be very easy to achieve with a small number of Redirect Apache directives specifying permanent redirections. Cheers, Leo The basic idea behind the project is: - a minimalistic www.zope.org site giving a short overview about what Zope is - including all related app servers, CMSes, frameworks etc. which links to the related project sites (micro-site approach) - no more member contents on www.zope.org - the current www.zope.org will be stripped down to the current member contents and stuff that has to be preserved. www.zope.org will be renamed to old.zope.org later Constructive criticism and feedback is welcome _now_. I hope that we can fix the outstanding issues and integrate further feedback over the next few week in order to roll out the new site in the first half of June (2011 of course). Many thanks to my team (doing the real work): - - Michael Haubenwaller - - Kai Mertens - - Johannes Raggam Andreas Jung Zope Foundation -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQGUBAEBAgAGBQJNyMVOAAoJEADcfz7u4AZjTgoLvigFQqPKlnn9J97+wrQRJkdr 8ErOiV6LCmpQeNLGDVodq0Y4JGnfQELu0ByzRz+xdig3NDAY9WyKTcxjJqu7DJ4H NnZ49dK47uvZaYbfq0kKjzIw9/FX092t5+lyVdiYst1d3JGEphz1iDsl+rySu4m1 xf3Zq5/+HH0xl2NPQ391dqPuoka+93ydygBfqR7TbBxr4t1GcbFs6vMhN5/13I7c g/Q6CWCKlBOfdSnof+p1M/EHtLelst7LPHXluB5tLSQcbpbhd3vtV2x19+InNBWs 3vbaWz9EFPQVdgrAc8f3Npw6+t1tn2JMBlLEJtwLmaErqjgDA4MMEmOmJPqNDqYo 7fyVWy0+OFeJdrGtO6MOZvmkgTxp+DBYjCOqzhzBijoHGaBQz1RsfH8IrWqhI+Av PRihsjM6ZBEhVcHyW/FIQfSvsYJCsim+xxcfkmUhUjXSD6j2h4BBjNnnyI2JRHkq iu0A27ANzqZrHx8rRipFcU9gJqLtBfA= =8/ed -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ) ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] beta.zope.org (www.zope.org relaunch project)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Leonardo Rochael Almeida wrote: Hi Andreas, On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 06:55, Andreas Jung li...@zopyx.com wrote: Hi there, I am happy to announce that we have made progress with the zope.org relaunch project. The first public version of the new site is now available under http://beta.zope.org Very nice work. I would just like to give a small suggestion, which is to have 301 HTTP redirects from some non conflicting URL spaces on www.zope.org to old.zope.org, so that we don't lose search engine indexing and ranking of the old pages. Ex: the members area: www.zope.org/Members/itamar/CorruptedZODB - old.zope.org/Members/itamar/CorruptedZODB This should be very easy to achieve with a small number of Redirect Apache directives specifying permanent redirections. This is planned. - -aj -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQGUBAEBAgAGBQJNyPagAAoJEADcfz7u4AZjFP4Lv3dl4CAwwaS17167nfc5q+WL 2WhkzCH1Fc/1scytSbFErvDxsbIcPjJzBApL+thcs59m+l69egOLCjD4com+xodN FaHNMCE1TikUlnQ7oOMsjb20GGFt9+nWYqnDb7dBOyKtjss494pffbSE+Eb43VKd FA1BvESJ+YVjSArvASy+yk6EPLrmHRZy/4MZNMd53IsjKxN073NYxDdfFcq3KOom 63ddjhZoXJwhK9d1EhiIR5KyKcFyBkISbKFwLukBEMjmzgYfl1sxuZY5W3ITnHDp DwnEGPFzd0VyKmGyHqk+7sBZm0KgUk4KehnGTfGpFd7/ujUQwpzGEQoJ9UBCCAA4 7QuoPYnyo0/6PvYy9knSYiem/xgX7aJJLYaMZOMmRth4qPtljylKadG7IJnxRg4Q VEoAQ3Y7HmDJeEnGDwesQkqSioZuC5Kcj8PXGq+CgfWwJWisDgd/MT8xSZ6yaXn4 g4vT9FUPgDeDdoXs1rqEcRSB53DtaZk= =2l9E -END PGP SIGNATURE- attachment: lists.vcf___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] beta.zope.org (www.zope.org relaunch project)
On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 6:55 AM, Andreas Jung li...@zopyx.com wrote: I am happy to announce that we have made progress with the zope.org relaunch project. The first public version of the new site is now available under http://beta.zope.org Constructive criticism and feedback is welcome _now_. Thanks all of you for the great work. It is much appreciated! Hanno ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] beta.zope.org (www.zope.org relaunch project)
Oh! Nice! IMO you can switch now. It's already a vast improvement, constructive feedback and changes might improve it more, but it doesn't need to be perfect before it's launched, just better. And it is. On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 06:55, Andreas Jung li...@zopyx.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi there, I am happy to announce that we have made progress with the zope.org relaunch project. The first public version of the new site is now available under http://beta.zope.org The basic idea behind the project is: - a minimalistic www.zope.org site giving a short overview about what Zope is - including all related app servers, CMSes, frameworks etc. which links to the related project sites (micro-site approach) - no more member contents on www.zope.org - the current www.zope.org will be stripped down to the current member contents and stuff that has to be preserved. www.zope.org will be renamed to old.zope.org later Constructive criticism and feedback is welcome _now_. I hope that we can fix the outstanding issues and integrate further feedback over the next few week in order to roll out the new site in the first half of June (2011 of course). Many thanks to my team (doing the real work): - - Michael Haubenwaller - - Kai Mertens - - Johannes Raggam Andreas Jung Zope Foundation -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQGUBAEBAgAGBQJNyMVOAAoJEADcfz7u4AZjTgoLvigFQqPKlnn9J97+wrQRJkdr 8ErOiV6LCmpQeNLGDVodq0Y4JGnfQELu0ByzRz+xdig3NDAY9WyKTcxjJqu7DJ4H NnZ49dK47uvZaYbfq0kKjzIw9/FX092t5+lyVdiYst1d3JGEphz1iDsl+rySu4m1 xf3Zq5/+HH0xl2NPQ391dqPuoka+93ydygBfqR7TbBxr4t1GcbFs6vMhN5/13I7c g/Q6CWCKlBOfdSnof+p1M/EHtLelst7LPHXluB5tLSQcbpbhd3vtV2x19+InNBWs 3vbaWz9EFPQVdgrAc8f3Npw6+t1tn2JMBlLEJtwLmaErqjgDA4MMEmOmJPqNDqYo 7fyVWy0+OFeJdrGtO6MOZvmkgTxp+DBYjCOqzhzBijoHGaBQz1RsfH8IrWqhI+Av PRihsjM6ZBEhVcHyW/FIQfSvsYJCsim+xxcfkmUhUjXSD6j2h4BBjNnnyI2JRHkq iu0A27ANzqZrHx8rRipFcU9gJqLtBfA= =8/ed -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ) ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] beta.zope.org (www.zope.org relaunch project)
I think http://beta.zope.org/the-world-of-zope does a good job. On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 07:28, Alex Clark acl...@aclark.net wrote: Hi, On 5/10/11 12:55 AM, Andreas Jung wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi there, I am happy to announce that we have made progress with the zope.org relaunch project. The first public version of the new site is now available under http://beta.zope.org The basic idea behind the project is: - a minimalistic www.zope.org site giving a short overview about what Zope is - including all related app servers, CMSes, frameworks etc. which links to the related project sites (micro-site approach) - no more member contents on www.zope.org - the current www.zope.org will be stripped down to the current member contents and stuff that has to be preserved. www.zope.org will be renamed to old.zope.org later Constructive criticism and feedback is welcome _now_. Looks great, well done all! Thanks for putting in the effort. My one (very minor) nit would be that we try to over-emphasize and over-clarify what Zope is (and is not), anywhere and everywhere possible. And by that, I mean: - Zope is: a brand, a term for any Zope-related technology, a general term. It no longer refers to anything specific. It is all-encompassing. - Zope 2 is the original web application server. - Bluebream is the former-Zope 3 web application server. - ZTK is a set of re-usable libraries. And so on. Alex I hope that we can fix the outstanding issues and integrate further feedback over the next few week in order to roll out the new site in the first half of June (2011 of course). Many thanks to my team (doing the real work): - - Michael Haubenwaller - - Kai Mertens - - Johannes Raggam Andreas Jung Zope Foundation -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQGUBAEBAgAGBQJNyMVOAAoJEADcfz7u4AZjTgoLvigFQqPKlnn9J97+wrQRJkdr 8ErOiV6LCmpQeNLGDVodq0Y4JGnfQELu0ByzRz+xdig3NDAY9WyKTcxjJqu7DJ4H NnZ49dK47uvZaYbfq0kKjzIw9/FX092t5+lyVdiYst1d3JGEphz1iDsl+rySu4m1 xf3Zq5/+HH0xl2NPQ391dqPuoka+93ydygBfqR7TbBxr4t1GcbFs6vMhN5/13I7c g/Q6CWCKlBOfdSnof+p1M/EHtLelst7LPHXluB5tLSQcbpbhd3vtV2x19+InNBWs 3vbaWz9EFPQVdgrAc8f3Npw6+t1tn2JMBlLEJtwLmaErqjgDA4MMEmOmJPqNDqYo 7fyVWy0+OFeJdrGtO6MOZvmkgTxp+DBYjCOqzhzBijoHGaBQz1RsfH8IrWqhI+Av PRihsjM6ZBEhVcHyW/FIQfSvsYJCsim+xxcfkmUhUjXSD6j2h4BBjNnnyI2JRHkq iu0A27ANzqZrHx8rRipFcU9gJqLtBfA= =8/ed -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ) -- Alex Clark · http://aclark.net/training ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ) ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] beta.zope.org (www.zope.org relaunch project)
On Tue, 10 May 2011 11:36:39 +0200, Lennart Regebro wrote: Oh! Nice! IMO you can switch now. It's already a vast improvement, constructive feedback and changes might improve it more, but it doesn't need to be perfect before it's launched, just better. And it is. +1 cheers, jürgen On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 06:55, Andreas Jung li...@zopyx.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi there, I am happy to announce that we have made progress with the zope.org relaunch project. The first public version of the new site is now available under http://beta.zope.org The basic idea behind the project is: - a minimalistic www.zope.org site giving a short overview about what Zope is - including all related app servers, CMSes, frameworks etc. which links to the related project sites (micro-site approach) - no more member contents on www.zope.org - the current www.zope.org will be stripped down to the current member contents and stuff that has to be preserved. www.zope.org will be renamed to old.zope.org later Constructive criticism and feedback is welcome _now_. I hope that we can fix the outstanding issues and integrate further feedback over the next few week in order to roll out the new site in the first half of June (2011 of course). Many thanks to my team (doing the real work): - - Michael Haubenwaller - - Kai Mertens - - Johannes Raggam Andreas Jung Zope Foundation -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQGUBAEBAgAGBQJNyMVOAAoJEADcfz7u4AZjTgoLvigFQqPKlnn9J97+wrQRJkdr 8ErOiV6LCmpQeNLGDVodq0Y4JGnfQELu0ByzRz+xdig3NDAY9WyKTcxjJqu7DJ4H NnZ49dK47uvZaYbfq0kKjzIw9/FX092t5+lyVdiYst1d3JGEphz1iDsl+rySu4m1 xf3Zq5/+HH0xl2NPQ391dqPuoka+93ydygBfqR7TbBxr4t1GcbFs6vMhN5/13I7c g/Q6CWCKlBOfdSnof+p1M/EHtLelst7LPHXluB5tLSQcbpbhd3vtV2x19+InNBWs 3vbaWz9EFPQVdgrAc8f3Npw6+t1tn2JMBlLEJtwLmaErqjgDA4MMEmOmJPqNDqYo 7fyVWy0+OFeJdrGtO6MOZvmkgTxp+DBYjCOqzhzBijoHGaBQz1RsfH8IrWqhI+Av PRihsjM6ZBEhVcHyW/FIQfSvsYJCsim+xxcfkmUhUjXSD6j2h4BBjNnnyI2JRHkq iu0A27ANzqZrHx8rRipFcU9gJqLtBfA= =8/ed -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ) ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ) -- XLhost.de ® - Webhosting von supersmall bis eXtra Large XLhost.de GmbH Jürgen Herrmann, Geschäftsführer Boelckestrasse 21, 93051 Regensburg, Germany Geschäftsführer: Jürgen Herrmann Registriert unter: HRB9918 Umsatzsteuer-Identifikationsnummer: DE245931218 Fon: +49 (0)800 XLHOSTDE [0800 95467833] Fax: +49 (0)800 95467830 Web: http://www.XLhost.de ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] beta.zope.org (www.zope.org relaunch project)
Hi there, On 05/10/2011 06:55 AM, Andreas Jung wrote: Constructive criticism and feedback is welcome _now_. Application servers has Zope BlueBream. Then Grok's at the bottom under 'Frameworks' together with CMF, Repoze, ZCA, ZTK and ZPT. Grok is most like BlueBream and should be in a category with BlueBream. If Grok's a framework so's BlueBream. I'd call 'Application servers', which is mostly a term from Java land, web frameworks instead, because that's what Python developers will understand, and put Zope, BlueBream and Grok under it. If it sorts alphabetically (frameworks seems to do so) and Grok comes first, I don't mind. :) Just think about whether Zope stuff is more like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Application_server or more like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_framework The Frameworks entry seems like a total grab bag to me (I didn't know where to put this), which is why I wouldn't want Grok presented that way. But you'd need to split up 'Frameworks' really. ZCA and ZPT can be successfully presented as libraries (framework-style libraries perhaps, but they're just libraries you can install and use), and ZTK is a collection of libraries (which in fact contains the former two libraries). I'd say make a new heading: Zope Toolkit Put under it: * ZCA * ZPT * other Zope toolkit libraries So we're highlighting two important libraries and say we have a lot more, managed within the ZTK. You can put CMF and Repoze under Frameworks if you wish. But a question: do we really want to present CMF as a current framework that people can use to start projects on? If not, and it's legacy only, should we really present it as an entry point? I'm not sure where Repoze would go in all this though. Regards, Martijn ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] beta.zope.org (www.zope.org relaunch project)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 5/10/11 11:52 , Martijn Faassen wrote: I'd call 'Application servers', which is mostly a term from Java land, web frameworks instead, because that's what Python developers will understand, and put Zope, BlueBream and Grok under it. If it sorts alphabetically (frameworks seems to do so) and Grok comes first, I don't mind. :) +1 jens -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (Darwin) Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org iEYEARECAAYFAk3JDAcACgkQRAx5nvEhZLIORgCeMr+07DjVmyq8NLE1F/2RDf2K NgsAn1QqUN+mOovB6Y4P8Gi84WlXv4K8 =dq4s -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] beta.zope.org (www.zope.org relaunch project)
Hi there, http://beta.zope.org/the-world-of-zope dekade - decade: And just talk about 'Zope community has grown' instead of starting with Zope Corp. and the Zope community, which I think gives the impression the community is some kind of appendage to Zope corp, the driving force behind it all. While this was true 10 years ago, it isn't today. And Zope corp is a part of the Zope community, right? And we're not talking about Zope corp specific products either, so that could lead to confusion the other way: somebody might call Zope corp about Plone. Regards, Martijn ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
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Hi, On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 11:52, Martijn Faassen faas...@startifact.com wrote: Hi there, On 05/10/2011 06:55 AM, Andreas Jung wrote: Constructive criticism and feedback is welcome _now_. Application servers has Zope BlueBream. [...] Speaking of http://beta.zope.org/the-world-of-zope We at Nexedi would appreciate if ERP5 was mentioned on that page as well. Possibly in a Zope Based Applications section (where Zenoss could also fit nicely). Something like: ERP5 is a full featured Open Source Enterprise Resource Planning (ERP) solution including customer relationship management (CRM), production management (MRP), supply chain management (SCM), product design management (PDM), accounting, human resources, e-commerce and many others. Link: http://www.erp5.com/ Thanks, Leo ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] beta.zope.org (www.zope.org relaunch project)
Hello, Thank for this new site, that's great work. I would propose to add a related projects section in http://beta.zope.org/the-world-of-zope This would be a place to site pyramid http://pylonsproject.org/ (for its use of ZCA and other ztk libs) and the dolmen project. We prefer to be in related as our future will use only some parts of grok / ztk http://dolmen-project.org/ Dolmen is a web framework based upon some parts of grok and ztk. It targets advanced developers building custom applications. ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
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Le 10/05/2011 17:11, Alexandre Garel a écrit : (...) http://dolmen-project.org/ Dolmen is a web framework based upon some parts of grok and ztk. It targets advanced developers building custom applications. Sorry, it's http://www.dolmen-project.org/ instead of http://dolmen-project.org/ -- Alexandre Garel 06 65 04 50 81 ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] beta.zope.org (www.zope.org relaunch project)
On Monday 09 May 2011, Andreas Jung wrote: Hi there, I am happy to announce that we have made progress with the zope.org relaunch project. The first public version of the new site is now available under http://beta.zope.org Some technical things I have noted for the site that would increase the site speed. The server does not seem to currently be gzipping the content this makes the page FAR larger then it should be. This is usually a trivial change on most webservers. Many of the resources like the javascript look like they have a unique key, if that is the case the expiration time and the cache-control maxage should be set WAY out in the future. When set far out in the future the browser will not even make a connection to see if the content has changed. If possible the images used in the css at least should also get some kind of versioned urls so they can also be cached indefinitely and just change the urls when the data changes. The page would also be faster and lower load if some of those stylesheets could be combined. You can get this information using yslow for firefox. Mostly I just want the site to run faster for new and returning users since the old site can be pretty slow at times and most of the changes should be fairly minor. ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] beta.zope.org (www.zope.org relaunch project)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 William Heymann wrote: On Monday 09 May 2011, Andreas Jung wrote: Hi there, I am happy to announce that we have made progress with the zope.org relaunch project. The first public version of the new site is now available under http://beta.zope.org Some technical things I have noted for the site that would increase the site speed. The server does not seem to currently be gzipping the content this makes the page FAR larger then it should be. This is usually a trivial change on most webservers. Many of the resources like the javascript look like they have a unique key, if that is the case the expiration time and the cache-control maxage should be set WAY out in the future. When set far out in the future the browser will not even make a connection to see if the content has changed. If possible the images used in the css at least should also get some kind of versioned urls so they can also be cached indefinitely and just change the urls when the data changes. The page would also be faster and lower load if some of those stylesheets could be combined. You can get this information using yslow for firefox. Mostly I just want the site to run faster for new and returning users since the old site can be pretty slow at times and most of the changes should be fairly minor. The current setup is a default Plone installation. All page loads take less than 0.5 seconds for me and the default caching seems to work fine for me. But there is room for improvements...nothing I care about much at the current state. - -aj -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQGUBAEBAgAGBQJNyXRpAAoJEADcfz7u4AZjpAgLvi7NIfAD25NitTHqXCnoEsIj Wq3QzVnv+cLoOMTVn2nBtd15h961P3uqHzW1JEyE9zc4+vtbpEU4XQvExjPiGgVI UT+5I3GewYv9lFfZgsf67n5sQ1nfdzHvFoLHZpTEyVqvQedDzkQhGbUaX/7HB6Rd 6wiLy6VJ+Bbk/MbLr6IrQ8I27Mm+JPHaCYNq+lHB6XHnwRICWmqrfsEjmUs0+EFG HOsVlPjUutyDFSsKz8RT0rSXPj9E20oC+LQ5NC3SglLeQ1YaQoQs8kMuFFM3PDIK arKrUkmAjR1jlajIPGtNmOTF861d+DrpjIIZtWhHbnoTukze7ml67GaQheoxNy1e h+1V0ezAhWnI25jXPTqYtmNvM21Sobu1digpi/3UTPRHQCVh13NtKJmz7YGCSQPi zX+KCneQj+Zj+Gb6C+pP8Qsz+yjX0kMX+1nUx5UrqO7EWdAeP3hv4+8Fxy9V9akg lL6VImf4C1II6C7g2QagrkKcsNvk/ak= =c2wY -END PGP SIGNATURE- attachment: lists.vcf___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] beta.zope.org (www.zope.org relaunch project)
On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 06:55:43AM +0200, Andreas Jung wrote: Constructive criticism and feedback is welcome _now_. What's your target client browser versions? It renders fine in Chrome 8.0 and firefox 3.6.17 (on linux), but 3.0.6 renders the portal-siteactions at the top of the blue bar, rather than at the top of the page. Admittedly an relatively ancient browser, but thought you might like to know. Ross -- Ross Reedstrom, Ph.D. reeds...@rice.edu Systems Engineer Admin, Research Scientistphone: 713-348-6166 Connexions http://cnx.orgfax: 713-348-3665 Rice University MS-375, Houston, TX 77005 GPG Key fingerprint = F023 82C8 9B0E 2CC6 0D8E F888 D3AE 810E 88F0 BEDE ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
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Hi All, I found a link off the new site (which looks great, btw) to: http://zodb.zope.org/ ...but this name doesn't resolve for me, does it for other people? Chris On 10/05/2011 05:55, Andreas Jung wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi there, I am happy to announce that we have made progress with the zope.org relaunch project. The first public version of the new site is now available under http://beta.zope.org The basic idea behind the project is: - a minimalistic www.zope.org site giving a short overview about what Zope is - including all related app servers, CMSes, frameworks etc. which links to the related project sites (micro-site approach) - no more member contents on www.zope.org - the current www.zope.org will be stripped down to the current member contents and stuff that has to be preserved. www.zope.org will be renamed to old.zope.org later Constructive criticism and feedback is welcome _now_. I hope that we can fix the outstanding issues and integrate further feedback over the next few week in order to roll out the new site in the first half of June (2011 of course). Many thanks to my team (doing the real work): - - Michael Haubenwaller - - Kai Mertens - - Johannes Raggam Andreas Jung Zope Foundation -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQGUBAEBAgAGBQJNyMVOAAoJEADcfz7u4AZjTgoLvigFQqPKlnn9J97+wrQRJkdr 8ErOiV6LCmpQeNLGDVodq0Y4JGnfQELu0ByzRz+xdig3NDAY9WyKTcxjJqu7DJ4H NnZ49dK47uvZaYbfq0kKjzIw9/FX092t5+lyVdiYst1d3JGEphz1iDsl+rySu4m1 xf3Zq5/+HH0xl2NPQ391dqPuoka+93ydygBfqR7TbBxr4t1GcbFs6vMhN5/13I7c g/Q6CWCKlBOfdSnof+p1M/EHtLelst7LPHXluB5tLSQcbpbhd3vtV2x19+InNBWs 3vbaWz9EFPQVdgrAc8f3Npw6+t1tn2JMBlLEJtwLmaErqjgDA4MMEmOmJPqNDqYo 7fyVWy0+OFeJdrGtO6MOZvmkgTxp+DBYjCOqzhzBijoHGaBQz1RsfH8IrWqhI+Av PRihsjM6ZBEhVcHyW/FIQfSvsYJCsim+xxcfkmUhUjXSD6j2h4BBjNnnyI2JRHkq iu0A27ANzqZrHx8rRipFcU9gJqLtBfA= =8/ed -END PGP SIGNATURE- __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ) -- Simplistix - Content Management, Batch Processing Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] beta.zope.org (www.zope.org relaunch project)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 5/10/11 22:31 , Chris Withers wrote: Hi All, I found a link off the new site (which looks great, btw) to: http://zodb.zope.org/ ...but this name doesn't resolve for me, does it for other people? The link is incorrect. It should point to www.zodb.org. jens -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (Darwin) Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org iEYEARECAAYFAk3JrsUACgkQRAx5nvEhZLJbTQCePia6zUQjMyizDo6ax36axK/n u0sAoLWrk5mMGicKPyhC2BnbzgK4SUyz =hCFv -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] beta.zope.org (www.zope.org relaunch project)
Le 10/05/11 10:47, Hanno Schlichting a écrit : On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 6:55 AM, Andreas Jungli...@zopyx.com wrote: I am happy to announce that we have made progress with the zope.org relaunch project. The first public version of the new site is now available under http://beta.zope.org Constructive criticism and feedback is welcome _now_. Thanks all of you for the great work. It is much appreciated! Hanno I want to support that statement ! :-) Great work ! -- Godefroid Chapelle (aka __gotcha) http://bubblenet.be ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
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Hi, On 5/10/11 5:38 AM, Lennart Regebro wrote: On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 09:15, Jens Vagelpohlj...@dataflake.org wrote: I strongly disagree on the term Zope 2. Now is a great time to finally stop the Zope2/3 confusion: Kill that name and start using a more sensible name, such as the Zope application server. Right. However I'm not convinced this is something you can agree/disagree on. Zope 2 exists. Zope 3 does not (it was split apart and renamed). As such, I don't see a problem with referring to it (Zope 2) by name (it's not Voldemort, after all). Someday it will die; but that day is not today. And until that day comes (or it gets renamed, heaven forbid) I would strive for clear and consistent branding (and in this case, I think I would also try to make it clear that Zope 2 is legacy software). Yup. That or just Zope. That is what people mean when they say Zope anyway. I don't think they know what they mean :-) Alex -- Alex Clark · http://aclark.net/training ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] beta.zope.org (www.zope.org relaunch project)
On 10/05/2011 22:31, Jens Vagelpohl wrote: ...but this name doesn't resolve for me, does it for other people? The link is incorrect. It should point to www.zodb.org. Where would I got to fix it? cheers, Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Batch Processing Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] beta.zope.org (www.zope.org relaunch project)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Chris Withers wrote: On 10/05/2011 22:31, Jens Vagelpohl wrote: ...but this name doesn't resolve for me, does it for other people? The link is incorrect. It should point to www.zodb.org. Where would I got to fix it? This is our task. - -aj -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQGUBAEBAgAGBQJNyiKVAAoJEADcfz7u4AZjh4YLuweGRP1htA9pk+SMuXvsfRqC ts1R5Ti3CdovUjooZJ0LV04W+W/EMapgjM4NuueHf8WZZfLAxOdvUJHisXW6bqRo iJjpls8T2InwKR6Nqk+6nhLJDuaaf6OyPc9+y2e+Hnb0c/vQ6y1VckW2G6MBz50R OhvwrFJQqnWWObdjL4W6Kp4iadmZ2sBNOb+rVmB+mznNpflQOz0LlxuVsmCPW7It tGwgc3KfLttEuetyJ1vwOuWwRjkBk09ScjP4AYCloJpjfJaz0ONK3o9gmwnbv4eR rC6ynBRyyjVzy3AOruUWoW3dGp1Lac89aP8+zR7QH5pZQv1iVDaHtcGgEaNnXC80 lB59fy3eVtoH2kz//CWhJjDbFHgVr0zSow4GFwwgNZmD8YqAAZk7+qgRGze3lbJC Uxorj/pdbs8WqorEky2siaj2aHj7iJFmb7CxlszsPeiJspKidM+wv5l3GgQi6Jnm EFPPrBspPWUjOudZU78KMFVs/2Qua9U= =jQHq -END PGP SIGNATURE- attachment: lists.vcf___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] beta.zope.org (www.zope.org relaunch project)
On 11/05/2011 06:45, Andreas Jung wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Chris Withers wrote: On 10/05/2011 22:31, Jens Vagelpohl wrote: ...but this name doesn't resolve for me, does it for other people? The link is incorrect. It should point to www.zodb.org. Where would I got to fix it? This is our task. That sounds like a very closed answer :-( Where's the site in svn? How do existing Zope contributors help out? Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Batch Processing Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] beta.zope.org (www.zope.org relaunch project)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Chris Withers wrote: On 11/05/2011 06:45, Andreas Jung wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Chris Withers wrote: On 10/05/2011 22:31, Jens Vagelpohl wrote: ...but this name doesn't resolve for me, does it for other people? The link is incorrect. It should point to www.zodb.org. Where would I got to fix it? This is our task. That sounds like a very closed answer :-( Where's the site in svn? The buildout is in SVN, some other packages are still on Github. How do existing Zope contributors help out? Please make your notes. We will pick them up and incorporate for the final version. Further changes should be made by the webmaster which is currently Michael Haubenwaller. Andreas -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQGUBAEBAgAGBQJNyiQCAAoJEADcfz7u4AZj8YkLwLLyckPN1i3d6Wls2bBjU7Te IcqBvG8FOIXYzVw94XORNo53nuos2aCYDCkz27UvDyDR/vOgNEJOJm5ow0/8xjhe xFL5w9ffhv7uGgg9zSkHRXR20y1aYQn8icEmNhhj4GOGkfl9UehKG8tphtUfvPZW wiJOODnkMb28enCCibys398YBWJ6U+FA3hphBkeLcWLZH3ZHTkokp4qKEtcKhbDU TYFOod7BXUrPBjTc3M/k0z57vWvkQpWfffw6xMx/xLB5biKD//6LXzr30p9IOFz+ tij4NIXtvZrnyketPouQoShvPycr9Y92whONtd5fYcK639vGiOQLyuJW3sUmmIPM ZHHSSuXW98BN5FnYZzr25hGCWWvvSPx3f7ernlN6v2JIXcB/+dw8LycGfoZfSP3d QIGw8g1ue+GJ6VLits/dcdeqeAR3uVluZcGpGI45wrNphwjZuUBkjusO6KUXvuiZ Lr2CtBORRwWTZml9+HCOlUw/CBNCeys= =17fm -END PGP SIGNATURE- attachment: lists.vcf___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] beta.zope.org (www.zope.org relaunch project)
On 11/05/2011 06:52, Andreas Jung wrote: How do existing Zope contributors help out? Please make your notes. We will pick them up and incorporate for the final version. Further changes should be made by the webmaster which is currently Michael Haubenwaller. This sounds a lot like we don't want your help, kindly go away. (Where your is existing Zope contibutors) Good luck with that... Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Batch Processing Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] beta.zope.org (www.zope.org relaunch project)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 5/11/11 02:04 , Alex Clark wrote: Hi, On 5/10/11 5:38 AM, Lennart Regebro wrote: On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 09:15, Jens Vagelpohlj...@dataflake.org wrote: I strongly disagree on the term Zope 2. Now is a great time to finally stop the Zope2/3 confusion: Kill that name and start using a more sensible name, such as the Zope application server. Right. However I'm not convinced this is something you can agree/disagree on. Zope 2 exists. Zope 3 does not (it was split apart and renamed). As such, I don't see a problem with referring to it (Zope 2) by name (it's not Voldemort, after all). Someday it will die; but that day is not today. And until that day comes (or it gets renamed, heaven forbid) I would strive for clear and consistent branding (and in this case, I think I would also try to make it clear that Zope 2 is legacy software). Zope 2 was never a brand. It only existed to have a name for the older application server when Zope 3 existed. It led to confusion and still does. The name must go away. It is now the only application server with the Zope name left, and that's a simple, clear and consistent brand. We can help make the Zope 2 name go away by stopping its use on official community sites like the new zope.org. jens -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (Darwin) Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org iEYEARECAAYFAk3KJIkACgkQRAx5nvEhZLKBOACffi+SkGRq9/3Ars6S4XzJmRV7 tzUAnii+Et4rAsqUcUHRVO8k3WDne3EE =Shk6 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] beta.zope.org (www.zope.org relaunch project)
Hi, Please change buildout URL to www.buildout.org (buildout.zope.org redirect to the other domain) -- Baiju M ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] beta.zope.org (www.zope.org relaunch project)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi there, I am happy to announce that we have made progress with the zope.org relaunch project. The first public version of the new site is now available under http://beta.zope.org The basic idea behind the project is: - a minimalistic www.zope.org site giving a short overview about what Zope is - including all related app servers, CMSes, frameworks etc. which links to the related project sites (micro-site approach) - no more member contents on www.zope.org - the current www.zope.org will be stripped down to the current member contents and stuff that has to be preserved. www.zope.org will be renamed to old.zope.org later Constructive criticism and feedback is welcome _now_. I hope that we can fix the outstanding issues and integrate further feedback over the next few week in order to roll out the new site in the first half of June (2011 of course). Many thanks to my team (doing the real work): - - Michael Haubenwaller - - Kai Mertens - - Johannes Raggam Andreas Jung Zope Foundation -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQGUBAEBAgAGBQJNyMVOAAoJEADcfz7u4AZjTgoLvigFQqPKlnn9J97+wrQRJkdr 8ErOiV6LCmpQeNLGDVodq0Y4JGnfQELu0ByzRz+xdig3NDAY9WyKTcxjJqu7DJ4H NnZ49dK47uvZaYbfq0kKjzIw9/FX092t5+lyVdiYst1d3JGEphz1iDsl+rySu4m1 xf3Zq5/+HH0xl2NPQ391dqPuoka+93ydygBfqR7TbBxr4t1GcbFs6vMhN5/13I7c g/Q6CWCKlBOfdSnof+p1M/EHtLelst7LPHXluB5tLSQcbpbhd3vtV2x19+InNBWs 3vbaWz9EFPQVdgrAc8f3Npw6+t1tn2JMBlLEJtwLmaErqjgDA4MMEmOmJPqNDqYo 7fyVWy0+OFeJdrGtO6MOZvmkgTxp+DBYjCOqzhzBijoHGaBQz1RsfH8IrWqhI+Av PRihsjM6ZBEhVcHyW/FIQfSvsYJCsim+xxcfkmUhUjXSD6j2h4BBjNnnyI2JRHkq iu0A27ANzqZrHx8rRipFcU9gJqLtBfA= =8/ed -END PGP SIGNATURE- attachment: lists.vcf___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] beta.zope.org (www.zope.org relaunch project)
Hi, On 5/10/11 12:55 AM, Andreas Jung wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi there, I am happy to announce that we have made progress with the zope.org relaunch project. The first public version of the new site is now available under http://beta.zope.org The basic idea behind the project is: - a minimalistic www.zope.org site giving a short overview about what Zope is - including all related app servers, CMSes, frameworks etc. which links to the related project sites (micro-site approach) - no more member contents on www.zope.org - the current www.zope.org will be stripped down to the current member contents and stuff that has to be preserved. www.zope.org will be renamed to old.zope.org later Constructive criticism and feedback is welcome _now_. Looks great, well done all! Thanks for putting in the effort. My one (very minor) nit would be that we try to over-emphasize and over-clarify what Zope is (and is not), anywhere and everywhere possible. And by that, I mean: - Zope is: a brand, a term for any Zope-related technology, a general term. It no longer refers to anything specific. It is all-encompassing. - Zope 2 is the original web application server. - Bluebream is the former-Zope 3 web application server. - ZTK is a set of re-usable libraries. And so on. Alex I hope that we can fix the outstanding issues and integrate further feedback over the next few week in order to roll out the new site in the first half of June (2011 of course). Many thanks to my team (doing the real work): - - Michael Haubenwaller - - Kai Mertens - - Johannes Raggam Andreas Jung Zope Foundation -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQGUBAEBAgAGBQJNyMVOAAoJEADcfz7u4AZjTgoLvigFQqPKlnn9J97+wrQRJkdr 8ErOiV6LCmpQeNLGDVodq0Y4JGnfQELu0ByzRz+xdig3NDAY9WyKTcxjJqu7DJ4H NnZ49dK47uvZaYbfq0kKjzIw9/FX092t5+lyVdiYst1d3JGEphz1iDsl+rySu4m1 xf3Zq5/+HH0xl2NPQ391dqPuoka+93ydygBfqR7TbBxr4t1GcbFs6vMhN5/13I7c g/Q6CWCKlBOfdSnof+p1M/EHtLelst7LPHXluB5tLSQcbpbhd3vtV2x19+InNBWs 3vbaWz9EFPQVdgrAc8f3Npw6+t1tn2JMBlLEJtwLmaErqjgDA4MMEmOmJPqNDqYo 7fyVWy0+OFeJdrGtO6MOZvmkgTxp+DBYjCOqzhzBijoHGaBQz1RsfH8IrWqhI+Av PRihsjM6ZBEhVcHyW/FIQfSvsYJCsim+xxcfkmUhUjXSD6j2h4BBjNnnyI2JRHkq iu0A27ANzqZrHx8rRipFcU9gJqLtBfA= =8/ed -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ) -- Alex Clark · http://aclark.net/training ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
