Do people actually do this? I've never encountered any specific
incident of a promoter here putting someone's name on a flyer just to
pull in numbers without actually booking them, but people I speak to in
the US talk about it quite a bit. Is it common practice there then?
There are several
-Original Message-
From: Steward, Tim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 9:28 PM
To: kent williams; list 313
Subject: RE: (313) Bloc
I'm a bit late on this but in the defense of Juan
I thought I would chime in
Juan shows up for shows when he is booked properly.
I got very bored very quickly - all that shouting on the mike about
Detroit - yeah we know where you're from and that you don't like war or
poverty, now shut up, get on the synths and play Final Frontier
Rob Taylor
VT Librarian
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-Original
When I saw UR in Brighton, (south England) doing a similar show they
played Numbers but Skurge mixed it in and Mike played some extra keys
over the top and this could explain why Frequency 7 sounded very similar
to the original.
Sorry to hear lots of peeps didn't enjoy it as every time Ive seen
On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 12:59 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
saw it on another message board and checked his myspace page
http://www.myspace.com/joshwink
May 26 2008 8:00P
WiNK @ DEMF, Detroit(To Be Confirmed) Detroit, Michigan
Oh yeah, and Dubfire
why dont they just call it ultra.
On 3/25/08, Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 12:59 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
saw it on another message board and checked his myspace page
http://www.myspace.com/joshwink
May 26 2008 8:00P
WiNK @
the mix is
http://www.mixstation.net/redirect.php?dlid=1183ENGINEsessID=d74adf853f0c9e655d3f620cc25b3595
Kenny Dixon Jr - Transit - Sound Signature
Mike Dunn - Freaky Mf - Robsoul
Keith Worthy - Deep For Dayz - Sistrum
Kenny Larkin - My Reflection - Peacefrog
Substance Vainquer -
Also, 9 out of 10 promoters of this kind of music are putting on parties
these days for the love of it rather than any financial gain.
Even if you did lie and put Juan or whoever on your flyer, chances are
the place would still be half empty ;-)
Martin Dust wrote:
I think Matt's correct,
oh gawd. i swear if justice is playing at demf i'll vomit.
On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 8:41 AM, Michael Kuszynski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
why dont they just call it ultra.
On 3/25/08, Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 12:59 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Matt Chester wrote:
Also, 9 out of 10 promoters of this kind of music are putting on
parties these days for the love of it rather than any financial
gain.Even if you did lie and put Juan or whoever on your flyer,
chances are the place would still be half empty ;-)
Last couple of times
Last night I was pondering the chances of Justice playing. I wouldn't be
surprised, in fact, I'd be surprised if they *were not* booked.
that thought made me very sad
MEK
Frank Glazer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 03/25/2008 07:53:37 AM:
oh gawd. i swear if justice is playing at demf i'll
I picked up a flier in Detroit in 1999 where the Kooky
Scientist was to be performing a Live PA at a party.
A week later Fred Giannelli posted here that he would
not be performing in Detroit at that time, no matter
what had been read locally. I don't remember if he
had a falling out with the
ALEX UNDER ?live
ALTON MILLER
BENNY BENASSI
BUZZ GOREE
CARL CRAIG
CASSY
COBBLESTONE JAZZ ?live
COOL KIDS ?live
DBX ?live
DUBFIRE
EGYPTIAN LOVER ?live
GIRL TALK ?live
GUILLAUME THE COUTU DUMONTS -live
HALF HAWAII ?live
JAMES ZABIELA
JORIS VOORN ?live
KONRAD BLACK
MATHIAS KADEN ?live
MIKE GRANT
*braces self*
I haven't seen Josh Wink play lately, but his music is
not exactly a motivator.
I completely admire what Josh built in Philly in the
past with others. maybe Josh Wink battling it up live
with Carl Craig. No preprogrammed weapons- just two
men, turntables and some buttons.
love
the mix is
http://www.mixstation.net/redirect.php?dlid=1183ENGINEsessID=d74adf853f0c9e655d3f620cc25b3595
Kenny Dixon Jr - Transit - Sound Signature
Mike Dunn - Freaky Mf - Robsoul
Keith Worthy - Deep For Dayz - Sistrum
Kenny Larkin - My Reflection - Peacefrog
Substance Vainquer - Reverberations
i don't really understand why so many people hate on josh wink. his
set at demf 06 left me cod but i really enjoy a lot of his
records, and i've heard him play some really great dj sets too. i
think a lot of people hate on him, frankly, simply because of his
image.
On Tue, Mar 25, 2008
I'm not hating on him- as said, I completely respect
the music he has made and the energy he created in
Philadelphia (though he plays there on such a rare
basis anymore). I consider he and Nigel intelligent
individuals who have seen more than my eyeballs ever
will.
I really wasn't aware of any
Posh-a-house Demf 08?
Fully over it.
I think I'll unsub till it's over to save myself some pain. Fxcking girl
talk?!
...whatevs...
k
-Original Message-
From: diana potts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 3:21 PM
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) Josh
Through a former friend, I met and hung out with Josh for an afternoon a
few years back.
He's a nice fella. I think maybe he might tend to play whatever the crowd
might want - sort of like a Carl Cox type dj.
For one crowd it might be more breakbeats, another it would be more
trance/prog house,
i think the whole hullabaloo over ripping off dan bell's track was
bulllshit. doesn't anybody remember the 50s when five
different artists would do the same song in their own style? i think
where josh went wrong with that was not crediting dan for inspiration.
lame, but still, i think
On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 3:44 PM, Stoddard, Kamal
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Fxcking girl
talk?!
...whatevs...
i hate that that guy is from pittsburgh. what a piece of sh*t. people
who listen to his music are stupid.
tom
I love that whole song reply and answer stuff
KFAI radio has a program of old 50s music where they cover this stuff all
the time
Bass-man songs and such
theyll play it all from the first tune all the way to the last - a music
thread
great listening
but not Detroit unless we're talking years
his music?
I though he just played other people's and claimed it as his own
MEK
Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 03/25/2008 02:53:54
PM:
On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 3:44 PM, Stoddard, Kamal
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Fxcking girl
talk?!
...whatevs...
i hate that that guy
On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 3:57 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
his music?
I though he just played other people's and claimed it as his own
you mean making corny mashups dont make you a real artist?
tom
if you ask me kent should ban emails with girl talk in them just as
he bans emails with cursing.
On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 3:57 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
his music?
I though he just played other people's and claimed it as his own
MEK
Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on
I heard that letting the audience dance on stage with you make you cutting
edge
It's all about breaking the Fourth Wall
MEK
Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 03/25/2008 03:05:55
PM:
On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 3:57 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
his music?
I though he just played
On 25 Mar 2008, at 19:48, Frank Glazer wrote:
i think the whole hullabaloo over ripping off dan bell's track was
bulllshit. doesn't anybody remember the 50s when five
different artists would do the same song in their own style? i think
where josh went wrong with that was not crediting
So it's cool to bite, because it has been done before? Perhaps I'm
over simplifying that matter, but that's just silly. Was I pissed when
that all went down, sure, do I still hold a grudge, yep. But that's
just me, I'm human after all. My biggest issue with Mr. Wink is that
his biggest hits were
since when are trance and progressive djs booked for demf.
On 3/25/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
ALEX UNDER ?live
ALTON MILLER
BENNY BENASSI
BUZZ GOREE
CARL CRAIG
CASSY
COBBLESTONE JAZZ ?live
COOL KIDS ?live
DBX ?live
DUBFIRE
EGYPTIAN LOVER ?live
GIRL TALK ?live
you forgot how's the music great record when it was larry heard's
can you feel it?
and
i'm ready great record when it was raw silk's do it to the music :)
On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 4:46 PM, jwan allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So it's cool to bite, because it has been done before? Perhaps I'm
I assume the trance artists are the names I don't recognize, because
the names I do I'm very excited to see.
On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 3:52 PM, Michael Kuszynski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
since when are trance and progressive djs booked for demf.
On 3/25/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL
My view is that Josh Wink has been prolific at a price,
and the price is being derivative at best and, apparently,
'nicking' other producers at worst. No doubt he has a nose
for what sells on the dance floor, could anyone ever forget
Higher State of Consciousness. After the first time I never
I hope so, that way I can get the original and rid myself of the only Josh Wink
record I own ;-) (I can't help being an RS freak
can I?)
-Original Message-
From: Fred Heutte [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 25 March 2008 22:09
I'm still fond of Meditation Will Manifest. But now
well, the best of my hopes is that they were balancing
responsibilities of how much booking costs are, who is available and
willing, and if agents are requiring bundling. the best of my hopes is
that they were constrained by business reality. maybe they just want
to advance themselves in financial
i can't be 100% sure about this, but if i remember correctly, the
meditation will manifest and higher state of consciousness samples
both came from the same early 90s ambient relaxation self help type
CD. i wish i could remember which one exactly. it was a big player
in ambient DJ circles at the
I second this motion.
m
At 15:04 2008.03.25, Frank Glazer wrote:
if you ask me kent should ban emails with girl talk in them just as
he bans emails with cursing.
On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 3:57 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
his music?
I though he just played other people's and claimed it as
benny benassi o_O
If Portugal USA and back wasn't so fcking expensive I'd fo for
these alone:
ALTON MILLER
BUZZ GOREE
CARL CRAIG
CASSY
COBBLESTONE JAZZ ?live
DBX ?live
EGYPTIAN LOVER ?live
GUILLAUME THE COUTU DUMONTS -live
MIKE GRANT
MINX
NEWCLEUS -live
TERRENCE PARKER
ZIP
you lucky
hey Tom, moby is playing.
book your ticket
- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 2:36 PM
Subject: (313) DEMF some names announced finally
ALEX UNDER ?live
ALTON MILLER
BENNY BENASSI
BUZZ GOREE
CARL CRAIG
CASSY
COBBLESTONE
since the festival became a business and it was recognized that the festival
had to attract new music lovers of all kinds, not just hone in on pandering
to the close minded 30-40-somethings on the hyperreal 313 list
probably not the answer you wanted to hear, is it?
- Original Message
i had my tickets cooked a month ago and am going no matter what. the
chitter chatter is part of the process.
On 3/25/08, /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
since the festival became a business and it was recognized that the festival
had to attract new music lovers of all kinds, not just hone in on
- Original Message -
From: Fred Heutte [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 6:08 PM
Subject: Re: (313) Josh Wink @ Movment 08
could anyone ever forget Higher State of Consciousness.
no, but i try. I'm sure mtv played the hell out of that song, its
- Original Message -
From: António Alves [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 5:41 PM
Subject: Re: (313) DEMF some names announced finally
you lucky americans! Enjoy :)
exactly. or continue to stress about what should be a great weekend,
regardless
to whoever said he plays for the
crowd GOOD. isn't that what a good DJ does? would you rather him
trance-rape your ears for an hour in a fit of egomania? forcing it, forcing
it, forcing it, because he assumes you just dont get it yet but that with
a few more tracks, his
It's good to see an even mix of Detroiters.
Although it's really funny to see Benny Benassi sandwiched between Alton
Miller and Buzz Goree.
On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 6:03 PM, /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
- Original Message -
From: António Alves [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 313@hyperreal.org
F
i've always thought it would be entertaining, as a dj, to play just
one record back to back to back for sixty minutes.
I have a friend (Dean) who did just this - it was back in the 80s and he
was spinning before a Dead Or Alive (;-) show in downtown Pontiac
(Detroit 'burb).
He bought an
Deep.
m
At 16:48 2008.03.25, /0 wrote:
since the festival became a business and it was recognized that the
festival had to attract new music lovers of all kinds, not just hone in on
pandering to the close minded 30-40-somethings on the hyperreal 313 list
probably not the answer you wanted
On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 6:03 PM, /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
that said, I'll be in the jungles of south america pioneering new cocaine
smuggling routes and arranging the sale of tom cox to the venezuelans
you certainly won't be anywhere near me, and we all know why. it's
similar to the
On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 6:00 PM, /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
what fun is a festival full of everything you've already heard?
i have already heard josh wink, benny bennassi, dubfire, james
zabiela, moby, and tech itch. that isnt the problem, the problem is
that they are all terrible nonsense.
I think its because fred is afraid of you, tom :)
I think a round of drinks and a group-hug is in order. we won't even show
you the italian rope trick, promise. :p
- Original Message -
From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008
new music lovers of all kinds
interesting comment there since from what I've heard from everyone here is
that the audience diversity has dwindled
fewer families and kids, fewer people just passing by or just checking
it out
more ravers
strange that at one time 313-list members were afraid
you might be right, but thats more on account of the festival not being free
anymore.
my comment about exposing new people to the music was based on conversations
I've had with the organizers. of course they were more eloquent than I
chose to be
- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL
Thinking back to the troubled years of the fest - there was talk about the
possibility of not holding it annually
Sitting out a year or two to build the finances to do it right and still
keep it free for everyone
I think there was a lot of worth in that
MEK
/0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on
I'm perfectly fine with all these demf lineups.
there are exceptions, but by and large demf is the only chance detroiters
get to see see and hear non-detroit electronic music. its nice to hear some
different records, outside, with lots of nice people.
funding the festival isn't a problem
You are tremendously stupid.
On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 8:01 PM, /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I blow 40 dollars on lunch sometimes, so I'm not going to complain about a 3
day, 40 dollar electronic music festival, even if there aren't 24-hour theo,
kdj, etc stages.
- Original Message
what i find most entertaining about r3dshift is that he or she is
too much of a punk ass bitch to use a real name.
On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 8:11 PM, Kelly B. Delaney
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You are tremendously stupid.
On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 8:01 PM, /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I
better than a kick in the pants i'd say :)
On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 5:01 PM, /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm perfectly fine with all these demf lineups.
there are exceptions, but by and large demf is the only chance detroiters
get to see see and hear non-detroit electronic music. its nice
I'll use any name you want, honey. whatever turns you on
- Original Message -
From: Frank Glazer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Kelly B. Delaney [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: 313 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 8:15 PM
Subject: Re: (313) DEMF some names announced finally
what i
I prefer that, in light of my tremendous stupidity, your correspondance with
me remain in the monosyllabic realm.
Additionally, there are several letters that I don't care for, which I
insist that you discontinue using. This includes all vowels (aeiou) and
pretend vowels (y), plus any letter
And you'll never get that $40 lunch back, so I guess we're even.
On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 8:45 PM, /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I prefer that, in light of my tremendous stupidity, your correspondance with
me remain in the monosyllabic realm.
Additionally, there are several letters that I
thats what I have a job for, muppet.
- Original Message -
From: Kelly B. Delaney [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 313 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 8:48 PM
Subject: Re: (313) DEMF some names announced finally
And you'll never get that $40 lunch back, so I guess we're even.
man, repeatedly slamming your sack in a drawer must pay pretty good
these days. I wasn't aware.
On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 8:55 PM, /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
thats what I have a job for, muppet.
- Original Message -
From: Kelly B. Delaney [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 313
It's always mixed emotions when the lineups are announced; you have to
balance the excitement of the sprinkled musical gems with the what
were they thinking?, just like most other years. I think we just
have to accept we aren't going to have the sort of festival the first
few years were anymore,
TANSTAAFL
Especially when it's a $40 lunch.
On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 8:58 PM, Kelly B. Delaney
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
man, repeatedly slamming your sack in a drawer must pay pretty good
these days. I wasn't aware.
On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 8:55 PM, /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
thats
Ah man this just plain sucks. I get debating the lineup merits, but
personal attacks and what not. Give it a rest please.
On Mar 25, 2008, at 9:19 PM, Michael Kuszynski wrote:
TANSTAAFL
Especially when it's a $40 lunch.
On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 8:58 PM, Kelly B. Delaney
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
LOL I just find the lunch line funny cause it's out of nowhere. I am
not attempting to be critical, mean, or attacking. I agree.
Likewise, as I briefly noted before, I am tremendously excited and I
start shaking every time Spring rolls around because it means I get to
go to the Dirty D.
On
On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 9:21 PM, Roberto Ty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ah man this just plain sucks. I get debating the lineup merits, but
personal attacks and what not. Give it a rest please.
tell /0 to quit being stupid and i bet the personal attacks will cease.
tom
Ah well, I give up. Long time list member, enjoy reading, but I
annually dread DEMF posts. So I'll just continue deleting.
On Mar 25, 2008, at 9:28 PM, Thomas D. Cox, Jr. wrote:
On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 9:21 PM, Roberto Ty [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Ah man this just plain sucks. I get
Some of these names we get on summer festivals here all the time - eg
Benny Benassi, stealer of Carl's Grammy. ;) At first I thought this
could be an April Fool's day joke with Moby mentioned. It's very
populist but I can imagine it wouldn't attract Europeans or Aussies
so much. I saw
Dubfire did that spastik remix, so he is 'looks' legitimate to trance people.
Moby runs a place called teany on the lower east side of manhattan,
a vegan / organic / boutique tea - sandwich shop with 20 different
kinds of loose leaf teas.
He also has started running a night at the Hiro Ballroom
On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 9:51 PM, Michael Kuszynski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The Hiro night's feature a combination of bottle service for the
yuppie corporate party crowd and the art school / hipster / nyu
electro - indie - hipsterclash music, a la justice / nu-rave / daft
punk, etc.
Tom Middleton reckons it's Wink who is the real architect of the
current sound so big in Europe. Interesting theory...
Cyclone Wehner
Urban/Dance Music Journalist
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 26/03/2008, at 6:43 AM, diana potts wrote:
I'm not hating on him- as said, I completely respect
the music
He does edit kinda things.
It's programmed.
It's fun, tongue in cheek, the way he does it. He has his place.
On 26/03/2008, at 6:57 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
his music?
I though he just played other people's and claimed it as his own
MEK
Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on
I still don't know how he managed to date Natalie Portman... ;)
On 26/03/2008, at 12:52 PM, Thomas D. Cox, Jr. wrote:
On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 9:51 PM, Michael Kuszynski
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The Hiro night's feature a combination of bottle service for the
yuppie corporate party
Like Moby's new album - it's a commercial pop hacked up hairball
terribly predictable if you are aware of what's in fashion
except if you consider the track Every Day is 1989 in which Moby brings
back the old rave piano progression and sounds like him trying to revive
Feeling So Real
He does this
hes a globally recognized, successful, and for whatever it's worth
more-underground-than-many once-electronic then-pseudo-smart-pop
musician and marketer.
He is wealthy, successful, and runs a series of businesses.
Last I heard, those are not characteristics that make women run for the hills.
My thoughts on Girl Talk are in alignment with this review
http://www.streethawkmagazine.com/readArticle.php?article=022
MEK
Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 03/25/2008 08:59:53
PM:
He does edit kinda things.
It's programmed.
It's fun, tongue in cheek, the way he does it. He has his
i'm disappointed that there's yet another year, and no theorem.
furthermore, one of these days i'm going to throw a delsin party in detroit.
the idea of tom middleton giving that much respect to wink makes me
kind of queasy. then again, perhaps it's not respect per se.
On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 9:44 PM, Cyclone Wehner
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Tom Middleton reckons it's Wink who is the real architect of the
current sound so big in
cyclone where'd you read that bit about middleton on wink?
On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 11:44 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yeah, that sounds like a backhanded compliment to me
Frank Glazer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 03/25/2008 10:30:37 PM:
the idea of tom middleton giving that much respect
Benny Benassi... i never saw him spinning. But my hopes are not high,
once i've already heard his tunes around the city and in the clubs.
He is one of the DJs always booked for mega rich boy/college/high
school events here in Brazil as the number one of the world.
Well... there was a lot of
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