On 8/27/06, Joost P [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hey, I didn't want to interfere in all this, but in Fred's defense,
he never insulted Tom's kid. He only attacked Tom about his mental
state (and I happen to agree with him)
hey, im glad to take all this free psychiatric advice from you and
fred.
On 8/27/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
PS. I like Pittsburgh. We did a cool Plus 8 party there once. Clark Warner,
John
Acquaviva, myself and Rich. I spent the day @ the Andy Warhol museum. Cute
city.
i didnt go because i dont like watered down techno.
tom
A few years back when Moby was getting all this BS hype he was coming out of a
gig @ the Paradise he did for this radio station here in Boston, WBCN. Since
it was a promotional event it was not publicized very much. Apparently, as he
was leaving the venue he got maced and punched by some
PS. I like Pittsburgh. We did a cool Plus 8 party there once. Clark Warner, John Acquaviva, myself and Rich. I spent the day @ the Andy Warhol museum. Cute city.
that was an amazing party. it was in the Crane building in the strip
district. excellent sound.
Re: my approach to Tom.
Take a look at the Stephen Colbert roasting of George W. Bush earlier this
year. Pretty low brow humor probably by your analysis J.T. but I loved it.
no way man i loved that, and it was obviously over the heads of most attending!
i think you are reaching to compare
Hey, I didn't want to interfere in all this, but in Fred's defense,
he never insulted Tom's kid. He only attacked Tom about his mental
state (and I happen to agree with him), being in such a bad shape he
would run the risk of his kid getting taken away from him by the
authorities or
I smell a lawsuit
http://www.bostonbeatdown.com/videoprofile.html
telepathic regards,
the kooky scientist
--
Upcoming Live Electronic Demonstrations:
May 2nd - Peabody, MA - The Apple Store - iPod DJ event
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Yikes - what a happy crew that lot must be! I wonder what's in the
'members only' section - maybe them torturing kittens and puppies? :\
lisa
FRED giannelli wrote:
I smell a lawsuit
http://www.bostonbeatdown.com/videoprofile.html
telepathic regards,
the kooky scientist
There's the Neptunes - NERD - and Chad Hugo knows his techno and house and
it's evidently an influence. Timbaland. And if Missy's Work It ain't a
techno/electro record, I don't know what is??
That new Snoop single From Tha Chuuuch To Da Palace has a techno feel.\
Cyclone you live in
and truth be told, a lot of electronic music is released without the artist
making much of anything off the record/CD sales. its kinda a prerequisite
to doing better live shows, which is where the money (if any) is.
Jay Hogie says: BINGO! You gotta move a scheisseload of units before you
make
, 2002 10:09 PM
Subject: Re: (313) Moby (cheddar)
and truth be told, a lot of electronic music is released without the
artist
making much of anything off the record/CD sales. its kinda a prerequisite
to doing better live shows, which is where the money (if any) is.
Jay Hogie says: BINGO! You
on 12/15/02 10:55 PM, techno at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
on 12/15/02 5:14 PM, FRED giannelli at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Not true. A couple of weeks ago Oakenfold drew less than half capacity in
Boston (the Catholic priest child molesting capital of the world).
telepathic regards,
the
and truth be told, a lot of electronic music is released without the
artist making much of anything off the record/CD sales. its kinda a
prerequisite to doing better live shows, which is where the money (if any)
is.
Jay Hogie says: BINGO! You gotta move a scheisseload of units before you
Memo from Alex Bond of PricewaterhouseCoopers
Start of message text
heard that robbie williams has a clause in his contract, where a certain
percentage of the revenues from his concerts goes to the record company.
wonder how they ever got him to sign
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From: jurren baars [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 12:13 PM
Subject: Re: (313) Moby (cheddar)
heard that robbie williams has a clause in his contract, where a certain
percentage of the revenues from his concerts goes
heard that robbie williams has a clause in his contract, where a
certain percentage of the revenues from his concerts goes to the
record company. wonder how they ever got him to sign that contract?
Robbie Williams has signed what is believed to be an -£80m-
contract with EMI Records in
No Area 3?
http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1459117/20021211/moby.jhtml
It's almost surreal always seeing him in the headlines, it makes me think
back to 1991 watching him performing at a rave in front of 500 people
standing behind his SY 77 keyboard.
Now he's making Millions of dollars in album sales, tv commercials
endorsements (Microsoft).
Can you imagine a black
Uh-uh, I inadvertently started this by posting that MTV story. I thought it
was interesting Moby is calling an end to Area 1/2 more as I saw it as a
possible economic/cultural indicator. Is it because 18 hasn't sold as well
as Play? Or because corporations are nervous of supporting such events in
Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 12:52 PM
Subject: Re: (313) Moby
Uh-uh, I inadvertently started this by posting that MTV story. I thought
it
was interesting Moby is calling an end to Area 1/2 more as I saw it as a
possible economic/cultural
Well presumably charisma gets you media attention, however you define it.
But yeah the theory comes undone with John Digweed. ;)
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Subject: Re: (313) Moby
Date: 16/12/2002 5:17:02
To: Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313 Detroit
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From: xx xx [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 1:55 PM
Subject: Re: (313) Moby
What majors companies look for is marketable products with manageable
artists, with or without charisma.
Artists from Detroit are charismatic but not manageable
Of course there are different components to what makes someone marketable,
charisma is just one, but someone else raised charisma and I responded to
that.
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Subject: Re: (313) Moby
Date: 16/12/2002 6:04:44
To: 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org
a
production standpoint.
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From: xx xx [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 1:55 PM
Subject: Re: (313) Moby
What majors companies look for is marketable products with manageable
artists, with or without charisma.
Artists from
.
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From: xx xx [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 5:11 PM
Subject: Re: (313) Moby
Was not the debate.
I don't buy assumptions and stereotypes.
The issue is more deep than that and you know it.
Get the global pictures
on 12/15/02 9:48 AM, Adam Haupt at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Are there any black techno people out that there make crappy rocktronica for
the masses and possess marketable qualities at the same time?
Why cant a Carl Craig or Cajmere character achieve pop music stardom?
Will Smith is black,
Jeff Mills can only sell out a hand full a good sized venues in select US
cities, Paul Okenfold on the other hand can go on a fifty state tour and
easily sell out each venue.
Not true. A couple of weeks ago Oakenfold drew less than half capacity in
Boston (the Catholic priest child molesting
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Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 5:11 PM
Subject: Re: (313) Moby
on 12/15/02 9:48 AM, Adam Haupt at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Are there any black techno people out that there make crappy rocktronica
for
the masses and possess marketable qualities at the same time?
Why cant a Carl Craig
sorry all, this was not intended for the list.
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To: FRED giannelli [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Matthew L. Thompson
[EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 5:54 PM
Subject: Re: (313) Moby assaulted
my condolances fred
]; Matthew
L. Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 2:47 PM
Subject: RE: (313) Moby assaulted
yeah i saw this earlier today while surfing dj-sets and saw the article..
man poor guy..
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From: Mark S. Krüx [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED
: Re: (313) Moby assaulted
For being the biggest Techno artist around it's a little disheartening
that the AP/CNN can't get his last name right...
...Moby, whose real name is Richard M. Melville...
J
I haven't been paying too close attention to most of the discussion on 313
the last few days, but please pardon me if this story has made the list
already...
Matt
www.magicmattkelly.com
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http://www.azcentral.com/offbeat/articles/1213MobyAttack13-ON.html
Associated Press
Dec.
these idiots on in some public way.
Im no moby fan, but he surely doesnt deserve physical harm
-Joe
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From: Matthew L. Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 5:27 PM
Subject: (313) Moby assaulted
I haven't been paying too close
Im no moby fan, but he surely doesnt deserve physical harm
I think we can all agree on the above...
Laters,
m*
Well it wasn't me, I was too busy dealing with this.
http://www.boston.com/dailynews/344/sports/Joseph_Giannelli_popular_UConn:.s
html
Actually, I met Moby once and told him that my Uncle was @ UConn. I guess
Moby studied philosophy there for a little while.
Perhaps the assailants where
yeah i saw this earlier today while surfing dj-sets and saw the article..
man poor guy..
-Original Message-
From: Mark S. Krüx [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 13 December 2002 22:41
To: ::); Matthew L. Thompson; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) Moby assaulted
Im no moby fan, but he
my condolances fred. give my best wishes to your family
-Joe DelCimmuto
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From: FRED giannelli [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Matthew L. Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 5:47 PM
Subject: Re: (313) Moby assaulted
Well
like moby or not, but I hope this doesnt trigger a slew of Im glad he got
beat up emails.
Definitely nothing funny about Moby getting roughed up, though I'll
admit, if he had been assaulted with a harpoon by a vengeful sea
captain, I might've had to stifle a laugh.
-
Brian balistic
LOL
-Original Message-
From: Brian 'balistic' Prince [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 13 December 2002 23:15
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re[2]: (313) Moby assaulted
like moby or not, but I hope this doesnt trigger a slew of Im glad he got
beat up emails.
Definitely nothing funny
moby was on the daily show on monday. he talked about
eminem and how he dis'ed him and a photo shoot for Q. he
said he thought it was funny because he dis'ed him for
making techno and moby said he thought that was funny
because he had not made a techno album in 11 years. he
also said he was
In the beggining techno was underground, but then it was only techno, today
everybody that use somekind of filter is techno.
So if we talking about big events you cant make event, book Moby, FBS,
Underworld(without emerson), Paul van Dyk and call it Techno, because its
POP.
So if I follow
counter-culturally yours,
Counter-Culture and all its bragging rights are just as toolish as Pop
Culture: there's just less of you to do it. Whatever happened to real
individuality?
a sincere amen to that Jayson...
RD
_
On Wed, 25 Jul 2001 15:54:18 -0400 David Bitterman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think the message was aimed more towards the POP headliners such as Moby,
Oakenfold, Underworld, etc.., NOT at their more underground stage partners.
Do you honestly believe that when Underworld made 'Cowgirl' and
Indeed, and imagine the pain they must be going through when:
- making big bucks dj'ing around the globe
- being revered by millions of people
- being revered by countless producers and influencing every techno / house /
d'n'b producer
I for one couldn't take that much disrespect...
Honestly
Honestly I think some people here have to start making up their minds,
always stating that techno is underground and should not become commercial
and at the same time always complaining about lack of exposure or being mad
whenever a big event does not pay respect to the underground.
What'll it
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Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 9:03 AM
To: 313
Subject: RE: [313] Moby, underground techno
Honestly I think some people here have to start making up their minds,
always stating that techno is underground and should not become commercial
and at the same time always complaining about lack
In the beggining techno was underground, but then it was only techno, today
everybody that use somekind of filter is techno.
So if we talking about big events you cant make event, book Moby, FBS,
Underworld(without emerson), Paul van Dyk and call it Techno, because its
POP.
So if I follow your
: Berislav [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 9:03 AM
To: 313
Subject: RE: [313] Moby, underground techno
Honestly I think some people here have to start making up their minds,
always stating that techno is underground and should not become commercial
and at the same time
?
Shit happens, roll with the punches, or kill yourself like Kurt Kobain.
-todd
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From: Berislav [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 313 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 9:02 AM
Subject: RE: [313] Moby, underground techno
Honestly I think some people here have to start
they've been assimilated.. no more soul..
You've been assimilated to.
moby.. that's pop music... those who want music to be popular have no
purpose other than to sell their product or seek praise and adulation,
something they wouldn't need if they had a purpose..
He does have a
You've been assimilated to.
so beit..
He does have a purpose. He wants to sell a fucload of records.
he's bones and guts, just like the rest of us. if he(they) want/s to sell
records, no problem. we all have to work and i don't see anything wrong with
selling records.. cool job right?.. i
I think the message was aimed more towards the POP headliners such as Moby,
Oakenfold, Underworld, etc.., NOT at their more underground stage partners.
Point being if I flip through the MAJOR FM radio stations I may pass that
shitty Moby track on a POP station. I'm not going to catch slak or
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From: Scotto [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 313 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 7:04 PM
Subject: Re: [313] Moby
this is not a new thing it has been going on in music for a long time.
look
at all the '50's blues artist that when in the '60's electric blues became
popular
need me adding to the pile of junk. :) last word on 313 from
me on this subject.
Mike
From: Jayson B. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: [313] Moby
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 22:10:50 +
i know that the B3 is probably used to it, and probably don't even know or
care
keep posting.
thank you!
--- Jayson B. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
i know that the B3 is probably used to it, and
probably don't even know or
care that they're not being promoted, but i could
never deal with that
kind of pain on a repeated basis...
which is worse?
being booked
you know how. playing live!
Scott Laakso ---
--- imajin/ imagine
http://www.mp3.com/i_majin
http://www.ampcast.com/imagine
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From: Jayson B. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 6:10 PM
Subject: RE: [313] Moby
i know
respect
Mike
From: FC3 Richards [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'Scotto' [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: [313] Moby
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 03:04:10 -0700
yes...promoted by ford.
the flier for LA has Juan Atkins name on it for that show.
the ad in URB has a whole little square
i know that the B3 is probably used to it, and probably don't even know or
care that they're not being promoted, but i could never deal with that
kind of pain on a repeated basis...
which is worse?
being booked alongside dj supahcheese under the title the innovators
or
not being
You know, it has been a long time since we have talked about Moby. What do
you guys think about his music, is he good or a Corporate Whore? What about
the Arena One Tour Sponsored by Best Buy? Is our culture being stolen from
us?
Disscuss...
Also, What is going on with Carol Marvin?
Take care,
You know, it has been a long time since we have talked about Moby. What do
you guys think about his music, is he good or a Corporate Whore? What about
the Arena One Tour Sponsored by Best Buy? Is our culture being stolen from
us?
Disscuss...
Also, What is going on with Carol Marvin?
Take care,
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/07/17/arts/17AREA.html?searchpv=nytToday
All about Moby, and a mention of Juan ...
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From: Michael Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: [313] Moby
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 20:10:03 -0400
You know, it has been a long time since we have talked about Moby. What do
you guys think about his music, is he good or a Corporate Whore? What
about
the Arena One Tour Sponsored
I thaught ford was promoting area 1
Scott Laakso ---
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From: Michael Kim [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 1:41 AM
Subject: Re: [313] Moby
my question is, is the B3 gonna be there? might actually make it worth
going
I have an piece with Juan Atkins and Kevin Saunderson
concerning the festival, white castle and
commercialism on it's way for Selekta. Just gimme a
minute...or a lot.
diana
--- Fred Heutte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/07/17/arts/17AREA.html?searchpv=nytToday
All about
I saw the show last weekend in Camden, NJ and Ford was all over the Area 1
Tent. It was very similar to the white tent they had at DEMF.
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From: Scotto [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 3:11 AM
To: 313
Subject: Re: [313] Moby
I thaught ford
It looks like at the Minneapolis show only Kevin Saunderson is going to be
on the bill. There seems to be little info on these lesser acts (read the
sarcasm). Who will be there depends on where you live.
MEK
From: Michael Kim [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: [313] Moby
bloody hell.. New Order! I saw them play about 14 years ago, highlight of
our high school years..
tofugirl
Moby is going on a North American tour with an interesting list of friends:
http://www.areafestival.com
Click on schedules at the bottom right-hand corner for a complete schedule
oh but I still think moby is 'the evil one'.. he can't sway me even with New
Order.
bloody hell.. New Order! I saw them play about 14 years ago, highlight of
our high school years..
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To: 313 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: [313] Moby vs. The Belleville 3
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 16:05:28 +1000
bloody hell.. New Order! I saw them play about 14 years ago, highlight of
our high school years..
tofugirl
Moby is going on a North American tour with an interesting list
I find it slightly amusing that Focus is sponsoring
this one too alongside MTV(2). Also with their own
focus stage. Is there such as overkill with these
darned cars? It'll be interesting to see who they
chose as their local dj for the beginning. (speaking
of the Detroit date)
d
--- tofugirl
for those with email editorial pet peeves:
is there such thing as overkill with these darned
cars should be inserted and corrected.
morning
d
--- diana potts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I find it slightly amusing that Focus is sponsoring
this one too alongside MTV(2). Also with their own
focus
.
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From: diana potts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 313 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 8:21 AM
Subject: Re: [313] Moby vs. The Belleville 3
I find it slightly amusing that Focus is sponsoring
this one too alongside MTV(2). Also with their own
focus stage
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From: tofugirl [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 313 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 2:09 AM
Subject: Re: [313] Moby vs. The Belleville 3
oh but I still think moby is 'the evil one'.. he can't sway me even with
New
Order.
bloody hell.. New Order! I saw them
Perhaps slight inelegance would be the perspective, cuz you know we' alls
sum elegant mo' fo's ;)
LG
From: diana potts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: diana potts [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: [313] Moby vs. The Belleville 3
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 05:29:24 -0700 (PDT
Nuttin' dead bout someone rippin off and gainin' $$ off what we DO for a
living
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: laura gavoor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CC: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: [313] Moby is a Soul Sampler
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 16:49:30 -0500 (EST)
An d as for Mute records, what black
An d as for Mute records, what black artists do they have??
Nuttin but the truth,
nuttin but a dead horse,
CE
Anybody see his performance with Gil Scott and the Blue man group
..interesting
He's always been on the more mainstream end of things
and though as some have mentioned he has stand out tracks
for the most part it seems he's never really took the dive in as
it where , he just kinda dangles his
Dot - dot - ditty, dot - dot - dash.
Damned if I know.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ( ) on 03/23/2001 10:59:47 AM
To: 313@hyperreal.org
cc:
Subject: [313] Moby..is tekkno/electronica
Anybody see his performance with Gil Scott and the Blue man group
..interesting
He's always been on the more
Scott Laakso ---
--- imajin/ imagine
http://www.mp3.com/i_majin
http://www.ampcast.com/imagine
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Most respected? By who? Moby's accountant? HMV retailers? A coterie of
reviewers?
come on mute is an awesome label is has to numerous of good bands to
Don't forget Luke Slater's on Mute too.
Most respected? By who? Moby's accountant? HMV retailers? A coterie of
reviewers?
come on mute is an awesome label is has to numerous of good bands to list.
Can, wire, loop, plastikman, liabach, spk, cabert voiltare jist to name a
few I can think of in
Ludovic Navarre, a.k.a. St. Germain
From: Gwendal Cobert [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: '313 mailing list' 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: [313] Moby (sorry) - techno and blues
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 15:19:05 +0100
Hi - I don't want to start a new thread about Moby - but sometimes ago, one
of the list's
Thomas brinkmann Soul center
janos
On Thursday 23 November 2000 15:29, laura gavoor wrote:
Ludovic Navarre, a.k.a. St. Germain
From: Gwendal Cobert [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: '313 mailing list' 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: [313] Moby (sorry) - techno and blues
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 15:19:05
I have it -Alabama Blues- on a FNAC Records comp entitled La Collection from
the very early 90s
From: Gwendal Cobert [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'laura gavoor' [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [313] Moby (sorry) - techno and blues
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 15:36:12 +0100
thanks - that was on Boulevard
It's also on the very recent compilation From Detroit to St. Germain
Jurri
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From: laura gavoor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: donderdag 23 november 2000 15:47
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: [313] Moby (sorry) - techno and blues
I have
the soul center tracks are really well done - especially the soul center 2
series
From: Janos [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: [313] Moby (sorry) - techno and blues
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 15:37:28 +0100
Thomas brinkmann Soul center
janos
On Thursday 23 November 2000
PM
Subject: RE: [313] Moby (sorry) - techno and blues
I have it -Alabama Blues- on a FNAC Records comp entitled La Collection
from
the very early 90s
From: Gwendal Cobert [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'laura gavoor' [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [313] Moby (sorry) - techno and blues
Date: Thu, 23
. And if the film never makes it to
theaters, perhaps copies will pop up on eBay.
Fred
From: J. S. Landau [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: [313] Moby
Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 16:12:42 -0400
Just thought this was an interesting piece of news I received about
everyone's favorite
Fair enough ... I just put in my .02 about his age to counteract the
doctoring of his image.
see, I didn't even mention his name, er pseudonym ... whatever.
-d (reaching for his revolver) :P
*enough* about Moby, please.
We laid this to rest in 1993 on ne-raves in the fabled Moby, go away
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