Re: Anyone using 4D Write Pro with a semblance of success?

[Benedict, Tom via 4D_Tech]

There are lots of Javascript word processing libraries available. 
Database/application integration and programmability is key to 4DWrite's value. 
Has anyone tried using callbacks in a web area hosting a Javascript word 
processor to do mail merge? I haven't tried, so I don't know how feasible it is.

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Re: Anyone using 4D Write Pro with a semblance of success?

[Spencer Hinsdale via 4D_Tech]

doesn’t r4 have tables, ie columns?

> On Oct 16, 2017, at 3:04 PM, Pat Bensky via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> We are creating a document-building system using WritePro. It creates
> data-based documents like catalogues, price lists, directories etc. -
> something that our software currently does by creating tagged files for
> importing into InDesign, QuarkXPress, or Word.
> 
> Currently there are two major features missing from WritePro that are
> holding us back:
> 
> - Columns
> - Creating stylesheets via code
> 
> The idea is that the user will be able to build the catalogue (or whatever)
> and then either open it in a WritePro area and review it, maybe tweak it a
> bit, and then print it or PDF it, or just go directly to PDF. We've got the
> bones of it working but have stopped development for the time being because
> of those two major shortcomings. I've submitted both as feature requests
> and hope they get implemented soon.
> 
> Pat
> 
> On 16 October 2017 at 22:56, BTB-David via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> From everything that I’ve read, High Sierra is the last version of OS X
>> that will support 32 bit apps.  This makes the 4D Write/4D View issue
>> imminent for me.
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> David Conley
>> By The Book, Inc.
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>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> 
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>> support for 32bit applications?
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Re: Anyone using 4D Write Pro with a semblance of success?

[John Baughman via 4D_Tech]

Tim… +1 for everything you said.


> The current environment will allow 4D Write plugin and 4D Write Pro to 
> coexist. You can migrate slowly and as needed. 


What I have done is add a page to their correspondence form where I can 
experiment with 4D Write Pro. A radio button, 4D Write/4D Write Pro, allows one 
to switch between the 2. For now this radio button is invisible when the 
database is running client/server so that my end users cannot play yet. When I 
have something that they can use I will make the button visible for them.

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Re: v13 - How to clear Array list box selection - nevermind

[Chip Scheide via 4D_Tech]

Nevermind

my resize array utility forgot to handle boolean arrays.
so the listbox array was NOT resized to zero, as I thought it was being.

utility functions like this:
utility_resize_array($NewSize;->Array1;...->ArrayN)


On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 16:41:23 -0500, Keith Culotta via 4D_Tech wrote:
> Something along the lines of the listbox variable being a BOOLEAN 
> array.  The highlighted rows are TRUE.
> 
> Keith - CDI
> 
> 
>> On Oct 16, 2017, at 4:36 PM, Chip Scheide via 4D_Tech 
>> <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I have an array based listbox.
>> I make a select the first row.
>> I drag n drop something else onto the listbox, the previous selected 
>> row remains selected.
>> 
>> How do I clear this?
>> I know how to do this in a selection listbox.. but can't 
>> remember/figure out how to clear the selection in an array listbox
>> 
>> Thanks
>> Chip
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Re: Anyone using 4D Write Pro with a semblance of success?

[Pat Bensky via 4D_Tech]

We are creating a document-building system using WritePro. It creates
data-based documents like catalogues, price lists, directories etc. -
something that our software currently does by creating tagged files for
importing into InDesign, QuarkXPress, or Word.

Currently there are two major features missing from WritePro that are
holding us back:

- Columns
- Creating stylesheets via code

The idea is that the user will be able to build the catalogue (or whatever)
and then either open it in a WritePro area and review it, maybe tweak it a
bit, and then print it or PDF it, or just go directly to PDF. We've got the
bones of it working but have stopped development for the time being because
of those two major shortcomings. I've submitted both as feature requests
and hope they get implemented soon.

Pat

On 16 October 2017 at 22:56, BTB-David via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com>
wrote:

> From everything that I’ve read, High Sierra is the last version of OS X
> that will support 32 bit apps.  This makes the 4D Write/4D View issue
> imminent for me.
>
> Thanks!
>
> David Conley
> By The Book, Inc.
> Office: 815-234-7530
> Direct Line: 815-406-5502
> Fax: 815-234-7532
> http://www.bythebook.com
>
>
>
>
> >
> > Anybody heard comments from Apple or Microsoft as to when they will kill
> support for 32bit applications?
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Re: Anyone using 4D Write Pro with a semblance of success?

[BTB-David via 4D_Tech]

From everything that I’ve read, High Sierra is the last version of OS X that 
will support 32 bit apps.  This makes the 4D Write/4D View issue imminent for 
me.

Thanks!

David Conley
By The Book, Inc.
Office: 815-234-7530
Direct Line: 815-406-5502
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Re: Anyone using 4D Write Pro with a semblance of success?

[Tim Nevels via 4D_Tech]

On Oct 16, 2017, at 2:00 PM, John Baughman wrote:

> Thanks Jim. I will take a look at the component. It looks interesting.
> 
> I was aware if the blog entry, but my point in that regard is why. It’s great 
> that the developer can create their own user interface, but shouldn’t 4D 
> Write Pro have a built in user interface? At least that is what I expected. 
> Will it have an interface in the future? Perhaps they are waiting until they 
> get the feature set nailed down before implementing one. 

I’m guessing the same. They have no idea exactly what 4D Write Pro will finally 
turn out to be. So better to not have a “hard coded” UI that needs to be 
tweaked all the time. Leave it in the 4D language on a form. Then the 
programmers, who are probably not the best at UI, don’t have any part of it. 

But the upside is that they MUST provide commands and a way to build our own 
UI. I’m sure they will provide one as a component like they did with SVG and 
the “Progress” component. Then we can take that and use it as is, or customize 
it for our own purposes. I think this is the right decision. Don’t lock the UI 
down, like they did with 4D Write. Let it be totally developer customizable. 
But of course, provide a basic UI that developers can take advantage of without 
writing once from scratch. 

> One of the main issues I am having with it is how it inserts images. Besides 
> the background sizing issue I previously mentioned, there is no way to place 
> an image behind the text as you could in 4D write. The only choice for this 
> is as a background which places the image either full screen, pinned, or 
> mosaic. I cannot put it behind the text and move it around to a desired 
> position behind the text. For the client I want to upgrade to 4D Write Pro, 
> this is a show stopper.

This is a know feature that they have not implemented. No word if they ever 
will. But I do remember at a 4D Summit when they first started showing 4D Write 
Pro they say “we will provide ALL features of current 4D Write Plugin and 
complete support for upgrading old 4D Write documents to the new format.” They 
said that. I heard them say that. 

I also need the feature in my client applications that use 4D Write. Anybody 
ever heard of “watermarking”? So if they never provide this, I’ll never 
upgrade. 

> In it’s current state it looks like I am forced to stick with 4D Write. 

I think that is what most 4D Write developers will end up doing. For one thing, 
you have to rewrite ALL your existing 4D Write code. Nothing can be reused. So 
that can be a real problem if you have code that builds complex documents. 

I have clients that make extensive use of 4D Write. I’ve written probably 1,000 
lines of code in several dozen methods that build 4D Write documents and do 
things to existing documents. The client has already paid for this. It works 
great. They love it. Now I tell them, you have to pay for that all over again? 
Gonna be a hard sell, I think. 

The current environment will allow 4D Write plugin and 4D Write Pro to coexist. 
You can migrate slowly and as needed. But if you want to build a 64bit version 
of your app, then you have to use 4D Write Pro. 

It could come down to a time where the only thing holding you back from 
building a 64bit 4D Client version of your app is 4D Write plugin use. So as 
long as macOS and Windows continue to allow 32bit applications we will be OK. 
When that ends, then this will become super important. 

At that time we’ll have an excuse to tell our clients. We have to rewrite the 
4D Write code so we can run on version X.X of macOS or Windows. 

Anybody heard comments from Apple or Microsoft as to when they will kill 
support for 32bit applications?

Tim


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Re: v13 - How to clear Array list box selection

[Keith Culotta via 4D_Tech]

Something along the lines of the listbox variable being a BOOLEAN array.  The 
highlighted rows are TRUE.

Keith - CDI


> On Oct 16, 2017, at 4:36 PM, Chip Scheide via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> I have an array based listbox.
> I make a select the first row.
> I drag n drop something else onto the listbox, the previous selected 
> row remains selected.
> 
> How do I clear this?
> I know how to do this in a selection listbox.. but can't 
> remember/figure out how to clear the selection in an array listbox
> 
> Thanks
> Chip
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v13 - How to clear Array list box selection

[Chip Scheide via 4D_Tech]

I have an array based listbox.
I make a select the first row.
I drag n drop something else onto the listbox, the previous selected 
row remains selected.

How do I clear this?
I know how to do this in a selection listbox.. but can't 
remember/figure out how to clear the selection in an array listbox

Thanks
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Re: Min/Max for Date Fields in 4D

[Alan Tilson via 4D_Tech]

Hello everyone,
Arnaud's comments led me to realize that I was testing on a virtual machine
that was part of the real machine that also hosts the virtual machine that
run 4D server. So communications between the 2 are ultra fast, never
needing to utilize the LAN.
So today I tested this on an independent machine that does communicate with
the server over the LAN.

Cold database, 271k records, longint unique field:
DV approach 22 ticks
Sort approach 12 ticks, but the data should have been warmed by first test.

Run #2
DV approach 22 ticks, unchanged
Sort approach 5 ticks, not what I expected!
4D Min/Max functions 16 ticks

Cold index I believe, date field, 271, records
DV approach 3 ticks
Sort approach 3 ticks

Run #2 date field
DV 3 ticks
Sort 4 ticks

All this is being run on an old XP box over the LAN.

So unless someone sees a hole in my testing, it seems the sorting approach
is entirely satisfactory for both unique fields and fields with lots of
recurring values like dates.

Alan

On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 7:36 PM, Alan Tilson  wrote:

> It is CS actually! All my testing was CS.
> Alan
>
> sent from my Note 4
>
> On Oct 12, 2017 6:40 PM, "Arnaud de Montard via 4D_Tech" <
> 4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> > Le 12 oct. 2017 à 22:37, Alan Tilson via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com>
>> a écrit :
>> >
>> > ​Another interesting point is that with a larger selection of 446.5k
>> > records and a warm database I got:
>> > 3 ticks for DV approach
>> > 6 ticks for the record sorting approach
>>
>> Guessing… Only twice more for the record sorting approach makes me
>> suppose the test is not in C/S but standalone. I wouldn't be surprised by a
>> much greater difference in C/S.
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Re: Anyone using 4D Write Pro with a semblance of success?

[Jim Hays via 4D_Tech]

I agree - they should have a basic toolbar like every other word
processor.   It really can't be that much work for them.

> inserting images

PDFPrinter from node.de provides a "watermark" tool that lets you combine a
second PDF with your merged document.
We use it to make "letterhead" for our merged documents.  It can be used
with any print job, actually.
(This only works on Windows)

Jim


On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 12:58 PM, John Baughman via 4D_Tech <
4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:

> Thanks Jim. I will take a look at the component. It looks interesting.
>
> I was aware if the blog entry, but my point in that regard is why. It’s
> great that the developer can create their own user interface, but shouldn’t
> 4D Write Pro have a built in user interface? At least that is what I
> expected. Will it have an interface in the future? Perhaps they are waiting
> until they get the feature set nailed down before implementing one.
>
> One of the main issues I am having with it is how it inserts images.
> Besides the background sizing issue I previously mentioned, there is no way
> to place an image behind the text as you could in 4D write. The only choice
> for this is as a background which places the image either full screen,
> pinned, or mosaic. I cannot put it behind the text and move it around to a
> desired position behind the text. For the client I want to upgrade to 4D
> Write Pro, this is a show stopper.
>
> In it’s current state it looks like I am forced to stick with 4D Write.
>
> John
>
> > On Oct 16, 2017, at 6:23 AM, Jim Hays via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > You could try this component, or the 4D blog entry:
> >
> > http://.mettre.de/wp/the-real-estate-blues/#english
> >
> > http://blog.4d.com/create-your-own-interface-for-4d-write-pro/
> >
> >
> > We will be digging into 4D Write Pro soon - our app is dependent on the
> old
> > 4D Write now.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 3:28 AM, Paul Dennis via 4D_Tech <
> > 4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
> >
> >> We use it but only for creating templates not as a real wp. It works but
> >> its
> >> a mess. The html is only usable with write pro so what is the point ?
> Would
> >> have been much better off integrating libreoffice open document format.
> >> Paul
> >>
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Re: What's the Longest you can DELAY PROCESS?

[Arnaud de Montard via 4D_Tech]

> Le 16 oct. 2017 à 19:24, Chip Scheide via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> a 
> écrit :
> 
> have a "cron" utility
> a process that has a list (records, array, whatever) of all processes 
> that are deamons
> have it wake the deamon as appropriate using Call process.

When the delay is important, I start a new process that dies after the job is 
done. I don't like a quite always sleeping but always here process. A cron can 
do that too. 

if (jobTime($i))
create process (...)
end if  

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Re: Hosting Service for Small System

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Glad to help out Douglas.

FYI, Macminicolo is now the Las Vegas operation of Macstadium, so you may
find that they've raised their service standards there  ... it depends on
how "hands on" the Atlanta management became after the merger.  The guy I
dealt with in Las Vegas, who's still in the picture, made me feel like he
was mostly interested in getting my money, rather than my business, which
made me wonder how responsive he'd be if issues came up.

I had a very different experience with the Macstadium folks in Atlanta;
they were helpful from the outset.  They also appeared to have a larger
number of hands on deck, and all of their support people that I've dealt
with have been great.

(You'll note that at the bottom of Macminicolo's marketing web page they
mention they're "a Macstadium company";  still, they have a distinct
marketing presence.  But if you go to the Macstadium website, you'll see
that they offer three data centers, in Atlanta, Las Vegas and Dublin.  The
Las Vegas center is actually Macminicolo.)

Best regards,
Ron

On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 8:09 AM, Douglas von Roeder via 4D_Tech <
4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:

> Ronald:
>
> Thank you for the info about Macstadium. I'd known of macminicolo.com but
> didn't know about the troubles getting machines set up there.
>
> Your point about hurricanes in FL and GA is noted and that's the attraction
> to having a data center in the desert Southwest or in the heartland.
>
> I like it that they did a clean install at no extra charge. That's
> *excellent* customer service.
>
> My client and I will be talking this week and I'll pass this information
> along to them.
>
>
> --
> Douglas von Roeder
> 949-336-2902
>
> On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 12:21 PM, Ronald Rosell via 4D_Tech <
> 4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
>
> > We’ve been very happy with Macstadium.  I have two minis hosted there,
> > while I have a MacPro hosted at a Host.net  facility
> in
> > Florida.  (I have nothing but good things to say about host.net <
> > http://host.net/> either, especially since they’ve stayed online through
> > several major storms over the years, but I do worry about what’s
> happening
> > to south Florida.)
> >
> > Since Macstadium also has racks for the Pros I've been considering
> > migrating there.  Our current installs are at their Atlanta facility, but
> > after the hurricane fire drill we had recently in Florida (which also
> > affected Georgia) we’re thinking that having a server that can be a
> > “lifeboat” for the others in their Las Vegas facility (the former
> > macminicolo) makes sense.
> >
> > I agree with others that the provisioning at Macminicolo was less …
> > reassuring ... than Macstadium’s.  The owner of that firm seemed largely
> > annoyed by requests for information.  I think he’s still onboard, but
> > hopefully things in Las Vegas are better managed these days.
> >
> > We recently had to do a complete wipe & reinstall of the OS on one of our
> > Minis in Atlanta.  Macstadium took care of it … no extra charge.
> >
> > Ron Rosell
> > __
> >
> > Ron Rosell
> > President
> > StreamLMS
> >
> >
> > > On Oct 13, 2017, at 8:25 AM, Douglas von Roeder via 4D_Tech <
> > 4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > I'm working with a company that has a seven user server running on a
> Mac
> > > mini. They've decided to go "office-less" and are looking to have their
> > > system hosted.
> > >
> > > This is a new area to me so I'm looking for recommendations for hosting
> > > services. We would like to use the current Mac mini and, for a variety
> of
> > > reasons, the hosting service should be located in the continental US.
> > >
> > > Checking in on the Mac mini colo reveals that they've been absorbed by
> > > macstadium.com. Any comments on that service in particular?
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance.
> > >
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Http Request error 17 unimplemented control instruction, or error 1 (fixed)

[David Ringsmuth via 4D_Tech]

The 4D documentation has examples that do not include the h t t p s : / / 

HTTP Request apparently requires the URL to begin with either http or https : //

FYI: Microsoft mail makes it a link if I don’t add spaces (above)

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Re: What's the Longest you can DELAY PROCESS?

[Chip Scheide via 4D_Tech]

have a "cron" utility
a process that has a list (records, array, whatever) of all processes 
that are deamons
have it wake the deamon as appropriate using Call process.

All deamons use Pause Process, rather then delay to sleep.


ex:
Cron:

Repeat
Process count := number of processes to manage

 for($i;Process count)
   
  if (time_to_wake_process($i))
   call process (Deamon_Process_IDs{$i}
  end if  
 end for 
 delay process current process, 1 minute, or whatever)
until(Quit4D)


On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 10:20:49 -0600, Dave Nasralla via 4D_Tech wrote:
> Hey All,
> 
> Ran into an odd issue. Like many of you have have a Cron Daemon to run
> daily tasks. Usually I have it wake up at least once a day.
> 
> In one newer system, there was a job that only had to run once a
> month. I tried to delay the process for 30 days it is fails - like
> does not delay AT ALL.
> 
> eg:
> C_LONGINT($Delay_vl)
> $Delay_vl:=30*24*60*60*60
>   //Days*Hours*Min*Sec*Ticks
> 
> DELAY PROCESS(Current process;$Delay_vl)
> ALERT("Hello World")
> 
> This is true for v15.4, v16R2 (on mac).
> The docs say it should be a real, but it fails whether a real or long 
> integer.
> 
> Am I missing something? (It does work as expected for shorter times.)
> 
> dave
> 
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Re: Anyone using 4D Write Pro with a semblance of success?

[John Baughman via 4D_Tech]

Thanks Jim. I will take a look at the component. It looks interesting.

I was aware if the blog entry, but my point in that regard is why. It’s great 
that the developer can create their own user interface, but shouldn’t 4D Write 
Pro have a built in user interface? At least that is what I expected. Will it 
have an interface in the future? Perhaps they are waiting until they get the 
feature set nailed down before implementing one. 

One of the main issues I am having with it is how it inserts images. Besides 
the background sizing issue I previously mentioned, there is no way to place an 
image behind the text as you could in 4D write. The only choice for this is as 
a background which places the image either full screen, pinned, or mosaic. I 
cannot put it behind the text and move it around to a desired position behind 
the text. For the client I want to upgrade to 4D Write Pro, this is a show 
stopper.

In it’s current state it looks like I am forced to stick with 4D Write. 

John

> On Oct 16, 2017, at 6:23 AM, Jim Hays via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> You could try this component, or the 4D blog entry:
> 
> http://.mettre.de/wp/the-real-estate-blues/#english
> 
> http://blog.4d.com/create-your-own-interface-for-4d-write-pro/
> 
> 
> We will be digging into 4D Write Pro soon - our app is dependent on the old
> 4D Write now.
> 
> Jim
> 
> On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 3:28 AM, Paul Dennis via 4D_Tech <
> 4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
> 
>> We use it but only for creating templates not as a real wp. It works but
>> its
>> a mess. The html is only usable with write pro so what is the point ? Would
>> have been much better off integrating libreoffice open document format.
>> Paul
>> 
>> 
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Re: What's the Longest you can DELAY PROCESS?

[Dave Nasralla via 4D_Tech]

Thanks Jim,

It sounds like it almost has to be an integer value...
If there is a limit, it would be nice for the docs to specify what the limit is.

dave

On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 10:28 AM, Jim Hays via 4D_Tech
<4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
> Max delay used to be something like 32000 ticks.  (We have an old //comment
> from 2006 that thinks so anyway)
>
> On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 12:20 PM, Dave Nasralla via 4D_Tech <
> 4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
>
>> Hey All,
>>
>> Ran into an odd issue. Like many of you have have a Cron Daemon to run
>> daily tasks. Usually I have it wake up at least once a day.
>>
>> In one newer system, there was a job that only had to run once a
>> month. I tried to delay the process for 30 days it is fails - like
>> does not delay AT ALL.
>>
>> eg:
>> C_LONGINT($Delay_vl)
>> $Delay_vl:=30*24*60*60*60
>>   //Days*Hours*Min*Sec*Ticks
>>
>> DELAY PROCESS(Current process;$Delay_vl)
>> ALERT("Hello World")
>>
>> This is true for v15.4, v16R2 (on mac).
>> The docs say it should be a real, but it fails whether a real or long
>> integer.
>>
>> Am I missing something? (It does work as expected for shorter times.)
>>
>> dave
>>
>> --
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>> Clean Air Engineering
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Re: FORM SET OUTPUT -> project form

[Keith Culotta via 4D_Tech]

I think PRINT RECORD and PRINT SELECTION require a Table Form.  A project form 
is printed with PRINT FORM.

Keith - CDI

> On Oct 16, 2017, at 5:39 AM, Pat Bensky via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Using v14:
> 
> I get an error with
> 
> *FORM SET OUTPUT*("ReportHeaderLandscape")
> 
> ​"There is no table to apply the command to"
> 
> So how do you set the output form for a project form?
> 
> Pat
> 

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Re: What's the Longest you can DELAY PROCESS?

[Jim Hays via 4D_Tech]

Max delay used to be something like 32000 ticks.  (We have an old //comment
from 2006 that thinks so anyway)

On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 12:20 PM, Dave Nasralla via 4D_Tech <
4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:

> Hey All,
>
> Ran into an odd issue. Like many of you have have a Cron Daemon to run
> daily tasks. Usually I have it wake up at least once a day.
>
> In one newer system, there was a job that only had to run once a
> month. I tried to delay the process for 30 days it is fails - like
> does not delay AT ALL.
>
> eg:
> C_LONGINT($Delay_vl)
> $Delay_vl:=30*24*60*60*60
>   //Days*Hours*Min*Sec*Ticks
>
> DELAY PROCESS(Current process;$Delay_vl)
> ALERT("Hello World")
>
> This is true for v15.4, v16R2 (on mac).
> The docs say it should be a real, but it fails whether a real or long
> integer.
>
> Am I missing something? (It does work as expected for shorter times.)
>
> dave
>
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Re: Anyone using 4D Write Pro with a semblance of success?

[Jim Hays via 4D_Tech]

You could try this component, or the 4D blog entry:

http://.mettre.de/wp/the-real-estate-blues/#english

http://blog.4d.com/create-your-own-interface-for-4d-write-pro/


We will be digging into 4D Write Pro soon - our app is dependent on the old
4D Write now.

Jim

On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 3:28 AM, Paul Dennis via 4D_Tech <
4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:

> We use it but only for creating templates not as a real wp. It works but
> its
> a mess. The html is only usable with write pro so what is the point ? Would
> have been much better off integrating libreoffice open document format.
> Paul
>
>
>
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What's the Longest you can DELAY PROCESS?

[Dave Nasralla via 4D_Tech]

Hey All,

Ran into an odd issue. Like many of you have have a Cron Daemon to run
daily tasks. Usually I have it wake up at least once a day.

In one newer system, there was a job that only had to run once a
month. I tried to delay the process for 30 days it is fails - like
does not delay AT ALL.

eg:
C_LONGINT($Delay_vl)
$Delay_vl:=30*24*60*60*60
  //Days*Hours*Min*Sec*Ticks

DELAY PROCESS(Current process;$Delay_vl)
ALERT("Hello World")

This is true for v15.4, v16R2 (on mac).
The docs say it should be a real, but it fails whether a real or long integer.

Am I missing something? (It does work as expected for shorter times.)

dave

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Http Request error 17 unimplemented control instruction, or error 1 (additional info)

[David Ringsmuth via 4D_Tech]

The OK variable is always 1 after any of these execution instances.

David Ringsmuth

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Http Request error 17 unimplemented control instruction, or error 1

[David Ringsmuth via 4D_Tech]

4D v16.2.214903 32bit
Windows 10 64bit
HTTP SET OPTION(HTTP_follow_redirect;1)
HTTP SET OPTION(HTTP_max_redirect;5)
HTTP SET OPTION(HTTP_timeout;15)

$url_t is a sub.domain.com:443 address with a path, and a query value. None of 
the url characters require encoding. 

When testing the same set of data using CURL, the result is correct, there is 
no error.

$http_Status_l:=HTTP Request(HTTP POST 
method;$url_t;$content_ob;$response_ob;$aHeaderNames;$aHeaderValues)

When $content_ob is an object with json, and the headers and values are both 
empty,  HTTP Request is returning an error 17, Unimplemented control 
instruction. The instance errors in about 10 seconds.

When $content_ob is an object, and the headers and values defined with 
“content-type” “application/json”,  HTTP Request is returning an error 1. This 
instance errors in less than 2 seconds.

When $content_ob is type text, and the headers and values are both empty,  HTTP 
Request is returning an error 1. This instance errors in less than 2 seconds.

The $http_status_l is 0 (zero) for every execution instance.

Help please!

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Re: Hosting Service for Small System

[Douglas von Roeder via 4D_Tech]

Ronald:

Thank you for the info about Macstadium. I'd known of macminicolo.com but
didn't know about the troubles getting machines set up there.

Your point about hurricanes in FL and GA is noted and that's the attraction
to having a data center in the desert Southwest or in the heartland.

I like it that they did a clean install at no extra charge. That's
*excellent* customer service.

My client and I will be talking this week and I'll pass this information
along to them.


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On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 12:21 PM, Ronald Rosell via 4D_Tech <
4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:

> We’ve been very happy with Macstadium.  I have two minis hosted there,
> while I have a MacPro hosted at a Host.net  facility in
> Florida.  (I have nothing but good things to say about host.net <
> http://host.net/> either, especially since they’ve stayed online through
> several major storms over the years, but I do worry about what’s happening
> to south Florida.)
>
> Since Macstadium also has racks for the Pros I've been considering
> migrating there.  Our current installs are at their Atlanta facility, but
> after the hurricane fire drill we had recently in Florida (which also
> affected Georgia) we’re thinking that having a server that can be a
> “lifeboat” for the others in their Las Vegas facility (the former
> macminicolo) makes sense.
>
> I agree with others that the provisioning at Macminicolo was less …
> reassuring ... than Macstadium’s.  The owner of that firm seemed largely
> annoyed by requests for information.  I think he’s still onboard, but
> hopefully things in Las Vegas are better managed these days.
>
> We recently had to do a complete wipe & reinstall of the OS on one of our
> Minis in Atlanta.  Macstadium took care of it … no extra charge.
>
> Ron Rosell
> __
>
> Ron Rosell
> President
> StreamLMS
>
>
> > On Oct 13, 2017, at 8:25 AM, Douglas von Roeder via 4D_Tech <
> 4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
> >
> > I'm working with a company that has a seven user server running on a Mac
> > mini. They've decided to go "office-less" and are looking to have their
> > system hosted.
> >
> > This is a new area to me so I'm looking for recommendations for hosting
> > services. We would like to use the current Mac mini and, for a variety of
> > reasons, the hosting service should be located in the continental US.
> >
> > Checking in on the Mac mini colo reveals that they've been absorbed by
> > macstadium.com. Any comments on that service in particular?
> >
> > Thanks in advance.
> >
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Re: FORM SET OUTPUT -> project form

[Jeremy French via 4D_Tech]

Hi Pat,

Use the DIALOG command for a project form, as Tai points out.

But the form name "ReportHeaderLandscape" suggests you want to print a header. 

Perhaps the command you are looking for is "Print form”? 

"Print form" requires a table. You can change the project form to a table form 
by — in the Explorer's "Forms” view — by dragging .

I hope this will be helpful.

Best regards,
Jeremy French


> On Oct 16, 2017, at 6:39 AM, Pat Bensky via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> I get an error with
> 
> *FORM SET OUTPUT*("ReportHeaderLandscape")
> 
> ​"There is no table to apply the command to"
> 
> So how do you set the output form for a project form?

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RE: FORM SET OUTPUT -> project form

[Tai Bui via 4D_Tech]

Hi Pat,

I think DIALOG might be the command you are looking for.
http://doc.4d.com/4Dv16R4/4D/16-R4/DIALOG.301-3317982.en.html

Best Regards,
-Tai B.




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Re: FORM SET OUTPUT -> project form

[Koen Van Hooreweghe via 4D_Tech]

Hi Pat,

Why would you want to do that?
FORM SET OUTPUT sets the current form for a table. If you don’t pass a table, 
the command takes the default table, but the form must belong to that table.

HTH
Koen

> Op 16 okt. 2017, om 12:39 heeft Pat Bensky via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> 
> het volgende geschreven:
> 
> Using v14:
> 
> I get an error with
> 
> *FORM SET OUTPUT*("ReportHeaderLandscape")
> 
> ​"There is no table to apply the command to"
> 
> So how do you set the output form for a project form?
> 
> Pat
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FORM SET OUTPUT -> project form

[Pat Bensky via 4D_Tech]

Using v14:

I get an error with

*FORM SET OUTPUT*("ReportHeaderLandscape")

​"There is no table to apply the command to"

So how do you set the output form for a project form?

Pat

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Re: Anyone using 4D Write Pro with a semblance of success?

[Paul Dennis via 4D_Tech]

We use it but only for creating templates not as a real wp. It works but its
a mess. The html is only usable with write pro so what is the point ? Would
have been much better off integrating libreoffice open document format.
Paul



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