Re: [9fans] plan9 on vmware esx

2009-10-02 Thread Devon H. O'Dell
Plan 9 does not work with either of the SCSI controllers in ESX(i) 3.5 or less. Plan 9 does run on IDE drives just fine in ESX(i) 4. Plan 9 panicks if you give it more than 2 CPUs on any of them. If you have any questions about getting Plan 9 to run in ESX(i) 4, let me know; I've done it. But you

Re: [9fans] lowest valid stack address

2009-09-02 Thread Devon H. O'Dell
2009/9/2 Andrés Domínguez andres...@gmail.com: 2009/9/2 erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net: aside: from the overcommit vm discussion. in http://9fans.net/archive/2000/06/634 rob says that plan 9 doesn't overcommit vm. what's the history here? Exactly two years ago you started a thread

Re: [9fans] lowest valid stack address

2009-09-02 Thread Devon H. O'Dell
2009/9/2 erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net: problem ended up being that I'd have to rework a lot of the slab allocator, or do checks on every memory allocation, and I didn't want to do that. More detailed info for those who care: could you use plan 9 terminology? Probably not. Plan 9 uses

Re: [9fans] Blocks in C

2009-09-02 Thread Devon H. O'Dell
2009/9/2 Uriel urie...@gmail.com: On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 10:04 AM, Anant Narayananan...@kix.in wrote: Mac OS 10.6 introduced a new C compiler frontend (clang), which added support for blocks in C [1]. Blocks basically add closures and anonymous functions to C (and it's derivatives). Full

Re: [9fans] lowest valid stack address

2009-09-01 Thread Devon H. O'Dell
2009/9/1 Russ Cox r...@swtch.com: aside: from the overcommit vm discussion. in http://9fans.net/archive/2000/06/634 rob says that plan 9 doesn't overcommit vm. what's the history here? i think plan 9 does overcommit vm and did then too. It very much so does. --dho russ

Re: [9fans] Interested in improving networking in Plan 9

2009-08-31 Thread Devon H. O'Dell
it should work. Kind regards, Devon H. O'Dell

Re: [9fans] Interested in improving networking in Plan 9

2009-08-31 Thread Devon H. O'Dell
2009/8/31 erik quanstrom quans...@coraid.com: 2009/8/31 Bakul Shah bakul+pl...@bitblocks.com: But this is nasty! % cat ndb/dom/'' # same as ndbquery dom '' No, the nasty part is really that the file should be called `.' and the filesystem reserves dot as the reference to the current

Re: [9fans] Interested in improving networking in Plan 9

2009-08-31 Thread Devon H. O'Dell
2009/8/31 Bakul Shah bakul+pl...@bitblocks.com: But this is nasty! % cat ndb/dom/'' # same as ndbquery dom '' No, the nasty part is really that the file should be called `.' and the filesystem reserves dot as the reference to the current directory. You could probably call the file `dot' or

Re: [9fans] ndb/dns as a slave

2009-08-22 Thread Devon H. O'Dell
2009/8/22 Steve Simon st...@quintile.net: I assume your master DNS is served from bind, then you can use the zonefresh program in my contrib to build an ndb compatible ndb file for your local dns to serve. Actually, I'm using ndb/dns for both. I seem to recall reading that ndb supports zone

Re: [9fans] ndb/dns as a slave

2009-08-22 Thread Devon H. O'Dell
Also, I must be missing something about cname. The manpage suggests that I simply add a line similar to: cname=cname.fqdn.dom dom=other.fqdn.dom However, doing this doesn't yield any responses for cname.fqdn.dom, even though I have e.g. ip=a.b.c.d dom=host.fqdn.dom cname=www.fqdn.dom

Re: [9fans] ndb/dns as a slave

2009-08-22 Thread Devon H. O'Dell
2009/8/22 lu...@proxima.alt.za: cname=cname.fqdn.dom dom=other.fqdn.dom Nopes: dom=nickname.dqdn.dom        cname=propername.fqdn.dom Aha. The manpage shows this the other way around. I'll send a patch later today. --dho works for me. ++L

Re: [9fans] ndb/dns as a slave

2009-08-22 Thread Devon H. O'Dell
2009/8/22 erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net: On Sat Aug 22 09:35:03 EDT 2009, devon.od...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/8/22 Steve Simon st...@quintile.net: I assume your master DNS is served from bind, then you can use the zonefresh program in my contrib to build an ndb compatible ndb file for

[9fans] Issues with 2 networks, fs server, and namespaces

2009-08-21 Thread Devon H. O'Dell
Hello all, I'm trying to set up a group of servers (these are running on VMWare ESXi, and working great -- CPU server running with two APs, though adding more causes it to fault with a divide by zero?). Auth server's got its own 1GB fossil, boots with the 9pcauth kernel. CPU server boots from a

Re: [9fans] Issues with 2 networks, fs server, and namespaces

2009-08-21 Thread Devon H. O'Dell
2009/8/21 Devon H. O'Dell devon.od...@gmail.com: 2009/8/21 Christopher Nielsen cniel...@pobox.com: You don't need a second IP stack. You can run both interfaces on the same IP stack and routing will just work. That's how I did it when I had a similar setup. Wait, I misread your explanation

Re: [9fans] Issues with 2 networks, fs server, and namespaces

2009-08-21 Thread Devon H. O'Dell
2009/8/21 Noah Evans noah.ev...@gmail.com: Hey Devon, 1. Others know more about that than I do. Wait a bit, that problem might get solved. I think I brought that up because if anybody has ideas about fixing them or making them better, I would like to do that. 2. drawterm tends to hang on

Re: [9fans] Issues with 2 networks, fs server, and namespaces

2009-08-21 Thread Devon H. O'Dell
Well, we're getting somewhere. Using /cfg/cpu/namespace still seems to do nothing to get ether1 into /net. Putting it into cpurc does the trick though, go figure. However, I've got a new issue. When I go to mount the file server, I'm getting this: mount: auth_proxy: auth_proxy rpc write:

Re: [9fans] Issues with 2 networks, fs server, and namespaces

2009-08-21 Thread Devon H. O'Dell
And that's taken care of. Didn't have an authdom configured in /lib/ndb/local, and for some reason, I forgot to set up keyfs on the auth server. Thought I had that taken care of. Of course, I'm now faced with another new issue. auth/debug looks like it just tries to debug factotum keys. This

Re: [9fans] Issues with 2 networks, fs server, and namespaces

2009-08-21 Thread Devon H. O'Dell
2009/8/21 erik quanstrom quans...@coraid.com: On Fri Aug 21 19:55:55 EDT 2009, devon.od...@gmail.com wrote: Well, we're getting somewhere. Using /cfg/cpu/namespace still seems to do nothing to get ether1 into /net. Putting it into cpurc does the trick though, go figure. you need it in both

[9fans] ndb/dns as a slave

2009-08-21 Thread Devon H. O'Dell
How do I designate ndb/dns to accept zone transfers from another one? I have dnsslave set to the other machine in the `master zone file' (for lack of a better term). The secondary server doesn't seem to accept updates. (Or maybe the master isn't pushing them? Dunno.) --dho

Re: [9fans] vga and vmware

2009-08-16 Thread Devon H. O'Dell
2009/8/16 Tim Newsham news...@lava.net: When booting plan9 in vmware the graphics seem to work fine up to 1024x768x8, but higher resolutions cause a panic trying to write to a non-existant address.  (Didnt map enough memory for the screen maybe?)  It seems to put the card in the right mode

Re: [9fans] audio standards -- too many to choose from

2009-08-14 Thread Devon H. O'Dell
2009/8/14 James Tomaschke ja...@orcasystems.com: Devon H. O'Dell wrote: If hardware is 2...@192, #A is 2...@192 I am not aware that #A allows for 24bit samples, I only see an option speed to set sampling rates.  The man page says: Each sample is a 16 bit little-endian two's complement

Re: [9fans] audio standards -- too many to choose from

2009-08-13 Thread Devon H. O'Dell
2009/8/13 erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net: On Thu Aug 13 02:43:54 EDT 2009, 9...@9netics.com wrote: I'm not sure either latency or RT is proper terminology here. But I believe what I meant was clear: when you need overall latency to be around 5ms you start to notice 9P. when you need

Re: [9fans] audio standards -- too many to choose from

2009-08-13 Thread Devon H. O'Dell
2009/8/13 Anthony Sorace ano...@gmail.com: Devon H. O'Delldevon.od...@gmail.com wrote: // This is easily demonstrable with rhythm games (such as Rock // Band or Guitar Hero) where latency induced by a home audio // system (mine at home is about 15ms induced by my receiver // and 5ms using the

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 hg with private repositories

2009-08-13 Thread Devon H. O'Dell
2009/8/13 David Leimbach leim...@gmail.com: On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 2:47 AM, Ethan Grammatikidis eeke...@fastmail.fm wrote: On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 11:13:58 +0200 Bela Valek bval...@gmail.com wrote: Correct me if I am wrong, but an sshv2 server is also providing sshv1 too. I vaguely

Re: [9fans] audio standards -- too many to choose from

2009-08-13 Thread Devon H. O'Dell
2009/8/13 Devon H. O'Dell devon.od...@gmail.com: 2009/8/13 James Tomaschke ja...@orcasystems.com: Rather, your suggestion of forcing a single format, prevents my applications from using other formats, and it requires I implement conversions.  This is because you limit freedom by placing

Re: [9fans] audio standards -- too many to choose from

2009-08-13 Thread Devon H. O'Dell
2009/8/13 James Tomaschke ja...@orcasystems.com: Devon H. O'Dell wrote: 2009/8/13 James Tomaschke ja...@orcasystems.com: Rather, your suggestion of forcing a single format, prevents my applications from using other formats, and it requires I implement conversions.  This is because you limit

Re: [9fans] audio standards -- too many to choose from

2009-08-13 Thread Devon H. O'Dell
This is starting to remind me of two things: 1) The case where this guy did a review of two different audio processors, and labeled the DAC of one as inferior to the other. He posted audio files of the resulting output from one and the other. Except he posted the exact same link for both of them.

Re: [9fans] Race condition in /sys/src/9/pc/trap.c?

2009-07-31 Thread Devon H. O'Dell
2009/7/31 erik quanstrom quans...@coraid.com: process1:       still in kernel:               memmove(buf, ...)               *fault*               trap()                       fault386()                               fault() = -1                               if(!user){                    

Re: [9fans] Race condition in /sys/src/9/pc/trap.c?

2009-07-31 Thread Devon H. O'Dell
2009/7/31 erik quanstrom quans...@coraid.com: could you be more specific.  what is your test program, where is it crashing (if you know), and what is the panic message, if any?  i must be dense, but i'm confused by your process diagram. He posted it earlier in this thread --dho

Re: [9fans] Why does Acme only show text?

2009-07-15 Thread Devon H. O'Dell
2009/7/15 erik quanstrom quans...@coraid.com: It's a lot easier to see (and not have in the first place) incorrect scope and continuation with whitespace than with braces or parentheses. do you have a reference for this claim? Without turning this into a holy war, I really always see these

Re: [9fans] Plan9 as an everyday OS

2009-07-14 Thread Devon H. O'Dell
2009/7/14 erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net: On Tue Jul 14 02:41:02 EDT 2009, sqw...@gmail.com wrote:  I suspect the main inhibitor there is that (as I recall) it stomps all over the existing soundblaster code. These days AC97 is probably more desirable, but it would be nice to have them

Re: [9fans] Plan9 as an everyday OS

2009-07-14 Thread Devon H. O'Dell
2009/7/14 Tim Newsham news...@lava.net: However, I still think this is worthwhile just to provide (a) a standard interface for audio devices (e.g., /dev/audioctl always accepts the same messages to set volume, input levels, etc), and (b) to have a single kernel support more than one type of

Re: [9fans] ide fix?

2009-07-13 Thread Devon H. O'Dell
2009/7/13 erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net: after a week of fighting with an atom with ich7r sata in ide mode, i finally found the secret sauce that keeps it from hanging.  i pushed out a changed quanstro/9load-e820 and quanstro/sd which boot on my atom machine in ide mode without causing

Re: [9fans] ide fix?

2009-07-13 Thread Devon H. O'Dell
2009/7/13 erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net: This sounds promising for that ICH laptop with the 320G drive that magically doesn't work (though the 120GB one that was in it was fine). How do I get this on a disc to try it out? can you pxe? Not easily. The issue was a few bits in PCI

Re: [9fans] v9fs question

2009-07-13 Thread Devon H. O'Dell
I believe Priyanka has some significant work on getting private per-process namespaces in Glendix for this year's GSoC. --dho

Re: [9fans] Plan9 as an everyday OS

2009-07-10 Thread Devon H. O'Dell
2009/7/10 J.R. Mauro jrm8...@gmail.com: On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 1:46 PM, j...@csplan9.rit.edu wrote: I'm tired of the perpetual September, after several years of being polite and pointing people to the wiki and the archives. You could filter instead of bitching and contributing to the noise.

Re: [9fans] Google finally announces their lightweight OS

2009-07-09 Thread Devon H. O'Dell
2009/7/9 Micah Stetson mi...@stetsonnet.org: Why would it take a book?  DMR made the point succinctly in his critique of Knuth's literate program, showing how a few command-line utilities do the work of the Don's elaborately constructed tries. Do you have a URL for this? I looked this up

Re: [9fans] Google finally announces their lightweight OS

2009-07-08 Thread Devon H. O'Dell
2009/7/8 erik quanstrom quans...@coraid.com: you say I think, Google did not choose Plan 9 due lack of device drivers, poor IPv6 support and confusing redundant fragment of code lurking around in   /sys/boot or 9load, but a compared with Linux a compact, clean and much more efficient FreeBSD

[9fans] Fonts

2009-07-08 Thread Devon H. O'Dell
I have very little idea about these fuckers. I know there are baselines and ideas about m's and n's and kerning and whatnot. But how do you make them? I played with some TTF font generators about 10 years ago that I'm sure I illegally obtained somehow, but I realize that I have zero idea of how

Re: [9fans] Google finally announces their lightweight OS

2009-07-08 Thread Devon H. O'Dell
2009/7/8 erik quanstrom quans...@coraid.com: But don't underestimate the value of the interesting ideas in the linux kernel that get the performance, e.g. RCU. I don't think there are any OSes that have scaled to 4096 CPUs at this point besides Linux. i thought that massively parallel

Re: [9fans] Google finally announces their lightweight OS

2009-07-08 Thread Devon H. O'Dell
2009/7/8 erik quanstrom quans...@coraid.com: I'd love to do this, but I don't think anybody's going to match my salary to port drivers, do ACPI, add amd64 support for workstations, etc. i told myself this for years.  it turns out to be a mistaken idea.  now that i know, i regret the years i

Re: [9fans] Google finally announces their lightweight OS

2009-07-08 Thread Devon H. O'Dell
2009/7/8 Uriel urie...@gmail.com: On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 6:56 PM, Devon H. O'Delldevon.od...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think so. We already have IPv6 support and it's not that bad. Having more drivers and supported commodity architectures would be a good thing. I'd love to do this, but I don't

Re: [9fans] Google finally announces their lightweight OS

2009-07-08 Thread Devon H. O'Dell
2009/7/8 Uriel urie...@gmail.com: On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 9:56 PM, Devon H. O'Delldevon.od...@gmail.com wrote: ACPI support doesn't need to suspend or do thermal zones. It just needs to be able to read the ADT and get MP / interrupt routing table information. This is doable. Have you ever read

Re: [9fans] Google finally announces their lightweight OS

2009-07-08 Thread Devon H. O'Dell
2009/7/8 Benjamin Huntsman bhunts...@mail2.cu-portland.edu: Without this getting into a holy war, what Geoff told me was that the amd64 work was for headless CPU servers, which is only mildly useful to me anyway. If it was released perhaps somebody would add the missing drivers, who knows...

Re: [9fans] Google finally announces their lightweight OS

2009-07-08 Thread Devon H. O'Dell
2009/7/8 Francisco J Ballesteros n...@lsub.org: ACPI will never, ever, ever happen, so people better get over it (and if anyone is naive enough to waste their time trying, it will end up as a useless atrocious mess that wont boot even in a 100th of the systems out there, much less suspend or

[9fans] Plan 9 Jobs

2009-07-08 Thread Devon H. O'Dell
In light of Erik's response ``maybe you just don't know about them.'' I looked. http://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/sof/1243139762.html Recent (posted 6/27). Looks like it's Plan 9 (probably Inferno) on a smartphone. Thought it would be useful to post here in case anybody else is looking for that

Re: [9fans] new usb implementation

2009-05-26 Thread Devon H. O'Dell
2009/5/26 ge...@plan9.bell-labs.com: I've just pushed out to sources a new USB implementation, courtesy of nemo, who debugged and repaired our old UHCI and OHCI drivers, wrote a new EHCI driver for USB 2, converted the user-mode drivers in /bin/usb and tested it all, among other things.  

Re: [9fans] creating my own bootable plan9 iso

2009-05-19 Thread Devon H. O'Dell
2009/5/19 rsbohn rsb...@gmail.com: On May 15, 2:52 am, st...@quintile.net (Steve Simon) wrote: Anyone got a script to generate a bootable plan9.iso cdrom image, the mkfiles in /sys/lib/dist seem quite labs-specific. -Steve maht has some details on this. The stuff in /sys/lib/dist is indeed

[9fans] IWP9 this year?

2009-04-24 Thread Devon H. O'Dell
Hello! Although I probably won't be able to go unless it's close (a.k.a. in the Baltimore / Washington DC area -- which actually isn't perhaps a bad idea?), the subject of an IWP9 has been brought up several times this year. I'd like to get the ball rolling on this, in case anybody is interested

Re: [9fans] IWP9 this year?

2009-04-24 Thread Devon H. O'Dell
2009/4/24 erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net: On Fri Apr 24 09:56:24 EDT 2009, devon.od...@gmail.com wrote: Hello! Although I probably won't be able to go unless it's close (a.k.a. in the Baltimore / Washington DC area -- which actually isn't perhaps a bad idea?), the subject of an IWP9

[9fans] IWP9 Logistics Poll

2009-04-24 Thread Devon H. O'Dell
I made a logistics poll form based on all the ideas presented thus far. It would be great if you guys could fill it in, there's like 6 questions and a comment field, so it should only take about 1 minute total. Just trying to get a brief and centralized overview of what everyone's personal

Re: [9fans] (no subject)

2009-04-23 Thread Devon H. O'Dell
2009/4/23 Charles Forsyth fors...@terzarima.net: lcc is nothing like as hard to compile as gcc (which has got worse, much worse, over the years). funnily enough, my gcc bootstrap compilation is still going (on a multi-core linux machine). it started over an hour ago.  bizarre. (my

Re: [9fans] VMs, etc.

2009-04-20 Thread Devon H. O'Dell
2009/4/20 erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net: i'm not following along.  what would be the application? Jukebox, perhaps? - erik

[9fans] Really weird SATA disk/controller issue

2009-04-20 Thread Devon H. O'Dell
Hey all, That laptop that I was boasting ran Plan 9 flawlessly (minus the non-native graphics) is now exhibiting some really weird behavior. I've replaced the old Hitachi Travelstar disk (100GB / 7200RPM) with a Seagate 320GB disk (5400RPM). I can install FreeBSD and CentOS fine. When I try to

Re: [9fans] security questions

2009-04-17 Thread Devon H. O'Dell
2009/4/17 Bakul Shah bakul+pl...@bitblocks.com: On Thu, 16 Apr 2009 22:19:21 EDT Devon H. O'Dell devon.od...@gmail.com   wrote: 2009/4/16 Bakul Shah bakul+pl...@bitblocks.com: Why not give each user a virtual plan9? Not like vmware/qemu but more like FreeBSD's jail(8), done more elegantly

Re: [9fans] security questions

2009-04-17 Thread Devon H. O'Dell
2009/4/17 erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net: What if each user can have a separate IP stack, separate (virtualized) interfaces and so on? already possible, but you do need 1 physical ethernet per ip stack if you want to talk to the outside world. I'm sure it wouldn't be hard to add a

Re: [9fans] web server

2009-04-17 Thread Devon H. O'Dell
2009/4/17 Rudolf Sykora rudolf.syk...@gmail.com: Writing the core of a blog engine in three lines of rc is hard to beat, plus you get the benefit of being able to manipulate and manage all your data using the tools any self respecting Unix user loves. uriel well, I haven't thought about it

Re: [9fans] a bit OT, programming style question

2009-04-17 Thread Devon H. O'Dell
Wait, am I on the wrong mailing list? Since when was this Fans of BSD and Linux Talk about why Plan 9 Sucks Donkey Shit? (I use FreeBSD and Linux. OTOH, I'm not on freebsd-general@ and centos mailing lists talking about how our private namespaces and 9p are so much shinier than VFS)

Re: [9fans] Help for home user discovering Plan 9

2009-04-17 Thread Devon H. O'Dell
2009/4/17 Eris Discordia eris.discor...@gmail.com: It's like I'm seeing an apparition of myself back more than a year ago. No wonder 9fans got to dislike me so much. Do 9fans get nuisances like me in regular intervals? From time to time :) We have a high conversion rate, though. --dho

[9fans] Security, take 2.

2009-04-17 Thread Devon H. O'Dell
Given the feedback from the list, I've come up with two alternatives. (Well, one of them was actually Mechiel's brainchild). Idea #1 (From Mechiel) Instead of doing typed allocations, give every user an allocation pool, from which all kernel allocations will take place. To extend on this, the

Re: [9fans] web server

2009-04-16 Thread Devon H. O'Dell
2009/4/16 Rudolf Sykora rudolf.syk...@gmail.com: Hello, I've been wondering (and not reading much)... If I'd like to use plan9 as a www server, is there anything ready? Yes, there is a pre-built httpd and libraries for writing your own. Recent apache probably doesn't compile in APE (but maybe

[9fans] security questions

2009-04-16 Thread Devon H. O'Dell
In the interests of academia (and from the idea of setting up a public Plan 9 cluster) comes the following mail. I'm sure people will brush some of this off as a non-issue, but I'm curious what others think. It doesn't seem that Plan 9 does much to protect the kernel from memory / resource

Re: [9fans] Rails? (was Re: web server)

2009-04-16 Thread Devon H. O'Dell
2009/4/16 hiro 23h...@googlemail.com: What is the advantage of rails anyway? I had a quick glance, but still don't really understand it's function. MVC development model. Allows you to abstract the data from the code from the design, but easily access needed parts from other needed parts. One

Re: [9fans] security questions

2009-04-16 Thread Devon H. O'Dell
2009/4/16 Venkatesh Srinivas m...@acm.jhu.edu: Devlimit / Rlimit is less than ideal - the resource limits aren't adaptive to program needs and to resource availability. They would be describing resources that user programs have very little visible control over (kernel resources), except by

Re: [9fans] security questions

2009-04-16 Thread Devon H. O'Dell
One can indirectly (and more consistently) limit the number of allocated resources in this fashion (indeed, the number of open file descriptors) by determining the amount of memory consumed by that resource as proportional to the size of the resource. If I as a user have 64,000 allocations of

Re: [9fans] security questions

2009-04-16 Thread Devon H. O'Dell
2009/4/16 erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net: have you taken a look at the protection measures already built into the kernel like smalloc? At least in FreeBSD, you can't sleep in an interrupt thread. I suppose that's probably also the case in Plan 9 interrupt handlers, and this would mitigate

Re: [9fans] security questions

2009-04-16 Thread Devon H. O'Dell
2009/4/16 erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net: On Thu Apr 16 17:51:42 EDT 2009, devon.od...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/4/16 erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net: have you taken a look at the protection measures already built into the kernel like smalloc? At least in FreeBSD, you can't sleep in

Re: [9fans] security questions

2009-04-16 Thread Devon H. O'Dell
2009/4/16 erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net: My misunderstanding then, as smalloc is available in port/alloc.c, which is also compiled into the kernel. I'm not concerned about oom conditions in userland. smalloc is used in the kernel, but only when running with up (user process) and only

Re: [9fans] security questions

2009-04-16 Thread Devon H. O'Dell
2009/4/16 erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net: Right, we're saying the same thing backwards. I just am not sure why smalloc was brought up. Yes, it is able to sleep until memory is available for the operation, but it's not used *everywhere*. that's part of my point. sometimes smalloc is

Re: [9fans] security questions

2009-04-16 Thread Devon H. O'Dell
2009/4/16 Bakul Shah bakul+pl...@bitblocks.com: On Thu, 16 Apr 2009 21:25:06 EDT Devon H. O'Dell devon.od...@gmail.com wrote: That said, I don't disagree. Perhaps Plan 9's environment hasn't been assumed to contain malicious users. Which brings up the question: Can Plan 9 be safely run

Re: [9fans] NAT implementation

2009-04-15 Thread Devon H. O'Dell
2009/4/15 Patrick Kristiansen patrick.kasse...@gmail.com: Hello 9fans. I'm thinking of writing a NAT implementation for plan 9. I have searched the archives and I'm not quite sure how to get started. Hi Patrick, As I see it there could be three ways of approaching this: 1. User space

Re: [9fans] NAT implementation

2009-04-15 Thread Devon H. O'Dell
2009/4/15 Anthony Sorace ano...@gmail.com: the idea is interesting, but it's a compliment, not a replacement. there's plenty of situations where installing something on all your hosts is either impractical or undesirable; centralizing the work in network infrastructure is often a big win.

[9fans] vgadb woes

2009-04-15 Thread Devon H. O'Dell
I've got a laptop that I (for shits and giggles) decided to put Plan 9 on. Lo and behold, it worked fine (Compal EL80, Core 2 Duo, 2GB RAM, nVidia video). So, I'm running at 1280x1024x32 right now in VESA, which is reasonable, but I'd like to run at my maximum native resolution, which is

Re: [9fans] vgadb woes

2009-04-15 Thread Devon H. O'Dell
Thanks for all the tips, I'll see what I can get working (and perhaps flesh out the wiki once it's working well, if it ends up being different from what's already there). --dho

Re: [9fans] vgadb woes

2009-04-15 Thread Devon H. O'Dell
Well, that ends up getting my screen to have a bunch of lines through it, staggered -- so I'm not much better off than I was before. I'm guessing that's an nVidia driver issue or something. If I had any idea about video devices, I'd try to fix it, but I don't. I'll just live with a bit low-res

Re: [9fans] Help for home user discovering Plan 9

2009-04-14 Thread Devon H. O'Dell
I don't think there are video players. Someone created an ffmpeg port, but I'm not sure if it does video output or just conversion as I've never actually used it. --dho

Re: [9fans] a bit OT, programming style question

2009-04-09 Thread Devon H. O'Dell
2009/4/9 Richard Miller 9f...@hamnavoe.com: set | wc -l   8047 well. This is nearly as big as the shell itself in the (ahem) good old days. term% tar tzvf interdata_v6.tar.gz bin/sh --rwxr-xr-x     8316 Nov 13 15:48 1978 bin/sh No, it's very likely bigger. wc -l is lines of course, and

Re: [9fans] yet another cheapo mips board

2009-04-07 Thread Devon H. O'Dell
2009/4/7 ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com: Can't remember if this one came up: $59. http://www.ubnt.com/products/rs.php Where do you find it for $59? Cheapest I can find from their page is $69. --dho

[9fans] Stuck at partdisk

2009-04-05 Thread Devon H. O'Dell
Hey all, Trying to get an updated qemu image out that we can give to SoC students, and I'm having some issues with the installer. I seem to be stuck at the partdisk step. The partition seems to write fine to the disk, but when exiting fdisk, it tells me I'm not finished with partdisk yet. Using

Re: [9fans] Stuck at partdisk

2009-04-05 Thread Devon H. O'Dell
2009/4/5 Devon H. O'Dell devon.od...@gmail.com: Ideas? Works fine if I turn off DMA. --dho

Re: [9fans] Stuck at partdisk

2009-04-05 Thread Devon H. O'Dell
2009/4/5 ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com: On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 12:12 PM, Devon H. O'Dell devon.od...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/4/5 Devon H. O'Dell devon.od...@gmail.com: Ideas? Works fine if I turn off DMA. no need to have DMA on on qemu anyway, so you have a workaround. Except that it's

Re: [9fans] Stuck at partdisk

2009-04-05 Thread Devon H. O'Dell
2009/4/5 ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com: I got confused. The problem you had with dma off was in qemu or on real hardware? Sorry. qemu, but it hardly seems fitting given the beefiness of the machine the emulator's running on. ron

Re: [9fans] Stuck at partdisk

2009-04-05 Thread Devon H. O'Dell
2009/4/5 Bakul Shah bakul+pl...@bitblocks.com: On Sun, 05 Apr 2009 15:54:19 EDT Devon H. O'Dell devon.od...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/4/5 ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com: On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 12:12 PM, Devon H. O'Dell devon.od...@gmail.com wr ote: 2009/4/5 Devon H. O'Dell devon.od

Re: [9fans] another webfs question

2009-03-27 Thread Devon H. O'Dell
2009/3/27 erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net: It seems I'm hitting this error when sending some GET requests: In /sys/src/cmd/webfs/url.c:       if(strstr(url, %00)){               werrstr(escaped NUL in URI);               return -1;       } I haven't fully understood the comment

Re: [9fans] another webfs question

2009-03-27 Thread Devon H. O'Dell
2009/3/27 erik quanstrom quans...@coraid.com: Yeah, there aren't any. That's the point of URL encoding; NULL bytes are as acceptable as any other, and your client should be able to handle them -- so I think that webfs check is just bogus. It should just encode it as a \0 and pass it through.

Re: [9fans] request for more GSoC project suggestions

2009-03-26 Thread Devon H. O'Dell
2009/3/26 lu...@proxima.alt.za: so if you have any ideas you'd like to get on there, just mail them to me, or to the plan9-gsoc mailing list and I'll get them plopped up there. I'm actively working on GCC from two directions: a port of the Plan 9 libraries to a cross-compilation environment

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 on Routers?

2009-03-26 Thread Devon H. O'Dell
2009/3/26 lu...@proxima.alt.za: I've wanted to work with somebody on Plan 9 as a routing device in networks for some time, at least in the field of packet classification. I'll be happy to help, too, if so desired, I have been playing with IPFilters in a pretty serious way for many years

Re: [9fans] GSOC: Drawterm for the iPhone

2009-03-26 Thread Devon H. O'Dell
2009/3/26 Eric Van Hensbergen eri...@gmail.com: On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 7:30 AM, Federico G. Benavento benave...@gmail.com wrote: I mean, drawterm for the iphone! why not for symbian? I'd have no problems with those suggestions either, as far as multitouch goes there are probably even

Re: [9fans] GSOC: Drawterm for the iPhone

2009-03-26 Thread Devon H. O'Dell
2009/3/26 erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net: so please stop saying that 9vx or inferno make drawterm obsolete until that's actually true. Additionally, both 9vx and inferno do actually execute code, which would facilitate a breach of the SDK license. - erik --me

Re: [9fans] request for more GSoC project suggestions

2009-03-26 Thread Devon H. O'Dell
2009/3/26 Juan M. Mendez vej...@gmail.com: Maybe porting parrot (http://www.parrot.org ) to Plan9 would be an interesting Gsoc project My co-worker is the backup org admin for Parrot (but is responsible for the Perl 6 and Parrot programs). If there's real interest here, submit a proposal for a

Re: [9fans] GSOC: Gitfs

2009-03-26 Thread Devon H. O'Dell
2009/3/26 Roman Shaposhnik r...@sun.com: Somehow I didn't see the original email from Manzur (was it ever posted to the list?) But given my personal interests, I'd be delighted to help along with the gitfs. Yeah, it was. Since I've ignored most of the GSOC traffic so far, could someone,

Re: [9fans] GSOC: Drawterm for the iPhone

2009-03-26 Thread Devon H. O'Dell
2009/3/26 Pietro Gagliardi pietr...@mac.com: On Mar 26, 2009, at 3:35 PM, Eric Van Hensbergen wrote: I'm merely trying to debunk roadblocks which others seem to want to through in his way. I don't want to throw a roadblock in this student's way. (In fact, drawterm on iPhone benefits me too,

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 on Routers?

2009-03-25 Thread Devon H. O'Dell
2009/3/24 Rahul Murmuria rahul.is.a...@gmail.com: @ Devon: About Packet Classification. I read that iptables is not needed on Plan 9 because its mount /net over the network concept achieved anonymity or transparency -- something along those lines. There are no logs about who is sending what,

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 on Routers?

2009-03-25 Thread Devon H. O'Dell
2009/3/25 erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net: I believe I have a rudimentary and probably non-working (at this point) packet filter in /n/sources/contrib/dho somewhere (it was written at least 4 years ago). I think it's called ``nfil.''  I believe it is desirable. Others disagree. Its

Re: [9fans] request for more GSoC project suggestions

2009-03-25 Thread Devon H. O'Dell
2009/3/25 Charles Forsyth fors...@terzarima.net: [snip] I don't know where the best place to suggest or discuss them would be, but I thought this list would reach nearly everyone interested. I've sort of volunteered myself to webmaster the gsoc.cat-v.org page for this year's SoC, so if you have

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 on Routers?

2009-03-25 Thread Devon H. O'Dell
2009/3/25 Bakul Shah bakul+pl...@bitblocks.com: On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 09:00:58 EDT Devon H. O'Dell devon.od...@gmail.com   wrote:                                                  While creating an entire routing suite (such as Zebra/Quagga) is probably outside of the scope of a 3 month project

Re: [9fans] request for more GSoC project suggestions

2009-03-25 Thread Devon H. O'Dell
2009/3/25 Paul Lalonde plalo...@telus.net: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I'd like to see a 3D graphics protocol.  Then I could run the host on some linux or window or mac box to do the display, and run the graphics app in Plan9, or inferno, or ... And (heresy aside) I've

Re: [9fans] looking for a project

2009-03-25 Thread Devon H. O'Dell
If you're interested in participating in the GSoC program, or for ideas on open projects, take a look at http://gsoc.cat-v.org/ideas/ --dho

Re: [9fans] request for more GSoC project suggestions

2009-03-25 Thread Devon H. O'Dell
Another student I spoke to on IRC spoke of the possibility of bootstrapping LLVM for Plan 9 on Linux and getting it to run natively. That would give us a whole bunch of different compilers. --dho

Re: [9fans] GSOC: Drawterm for the iPhone

2009-03-25 Thread Devon H. O'Dell
2009/3/25 Federico G. Benavento benave...@gmail.com: do we need drawterm for the iphone? is anyone going to use it? I mean, it's a tiny screen, typing on handhelds sucks, plus is not that there is killer app Plan 9 has that  you _must_ run. am I forgetting something obvious? Tiny screen,

<    1   2   3   >