Re: [9fans] 8 cores

2008-07-17 Thread Kernel Panic
Iruata Souza wrote: On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 2:12 AM, Benjamin Huntsman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Furthermore, does anyone out there run Plan 9 on non-x86 hardware anymore? only for the fun of it, I'm slowly trying to port it to my SGI O2. nice! whats the status of your port? have

Re: [9fans] 8 cores

2008-07-17 Thread Charles Forsyth
I could imagine that databases use mmap() havily it's a little mystery for me why they would do that since it's slower (or ought to be), because the trap path and fault recovery must do more work than syscall (perhaps much more). it's also difficult then to optimise the replacement strategy

Re: [9fans] 8 cores

2008-07-17 Thread Kernel Panic
Charles Forsyth wrote: I could imagine that databases use mmap() havily it's a little mystery for me why they would do that since it's slower (or ought to be), because the trap path and fault recovery must do more work than syscall (perhaps much more). it's also difficult then to

Re: [9fans] 8 cores

2008-07-17 Thread Roman V. Shaposhnik
On Thu, 2008-07-17 at 10:07 +0100, Charles Forsyth wrote: I could imagine that databases use mmap() havily it's a little mystery for me why they would do that since it's slower (or ought to be), slower compared to what? I'd expect the biggest slowdown for read()/write() be not the price

Re: [9fans] 8 cores

2008-07-17 Thread Roman V. Shaposhnik
On Wed, 2008-07-16 at 22:09 -0400, erik quanstrom wrote: On Tue, 2008-07-15 at 18:28 -0400, erik quanstrom wrote: coming as no suprise, the pc port of plan 9 does work just fine with 8 cores. mpls; cat /dev/sysstat 0 14271 21350133991116

Re: [9fans] 8 cores

2008-07-17 Thread ron minnich
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 5:41 AM, erik quanstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: as you've pointed out, performance-wise it's not copying vs. nothing it's copying vs page faults and trips through the vm code. i would think playing vm games (as linus likes to say) would make scheduling on mp harder

Re: [9fans] 8 cores

2008-07-17 Thread Paweł Lasek
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 11:07, Charles Forsyth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I could imagine that databases use mmap() havily it's a little mystery for me why they would do that since it's slower (or ought to be), because the trap path and fault recovery must do more work than syscall (perhaps

Re: [9fans] 8 cores

2008-07-17 Thread erik quanstrom
Well, depends. Non-mmap you have to do the storage management in the app. mmap, you're using the storage management in the kernel to figure out where the data goes, as well as all the LRU stuff to figure out what happens when you're running out of memory and you need to get rid of some of

Re: [9fans] 8 cores

2008-07-17 Thread ron minnich
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 6:45 AM, erik quanstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i haven't found this to be the case. it's not always the case. in a former life, one i'd rather forget, i did full text search. in order to return the full text, we had to go get the document. due to the very

Re: [9fans] 8 cores

2008-07-17 Thread Iruata Souza
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 5:38 AM, Kernel Panic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Iruata Souza wrote: On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 2:12 AM, Benjamin Huntsman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Furthermore, does anyone out there run Plan 9 on non-x86 hardware anymore? only for the fun of it, I'm slowly trying to

Re: [9fans] 8 cores

2008-07-16 Thread sqweek
On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 1:12 PM, Benjamin Huntsman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That being said, while huge scalability is certainly research-worthy, does anyone actually run anything on Plan 9 that needs or would otherwise benefit from 8+ CPUs and more than a few GB's of RAM? The Blue gene HPC

Re: [9fans] 8 cores

2008-07-16 Thread C H Forsyth
Furthermore, does anyone out there run Plan 9 on non-x86 hardware anymore? yes: http://tinyurl.com/5jc8u8, for instance

Re: [9fans] 8 cores

2008-07-16 Thread John Waters
Hi Mr Forsyth, I tried to respond to your directly, but the mail bounced. Here in Saudi Arabia tinyurl is blocked (by the govt). Is it possible that you (or someone else) can expand the URL for me and send it to me off-list? Thanks John Waters, No relation to the director On Wed, Jul 16, 2008

Re: [9fans] 8 cores

2008-07-16 Thread Russ Cox
Some people would like to, but to my knowledge fourth edition hasn't been ported to any other platforms. Plan 9 has always run on multiple architectures, and the fourth edition is no different. ls /sys/src/9 will show you that there are ports to the Alpha PC (alphapc) the HP iPaq (bitsy), and

Re: [9fans] 8 cores

2008-07-16 Thread a
For me the URL works out to: http://domino.research.ibm.com/comm/research_projects.nsf/pages/hare.index.html HARE! Awesome. Anthony

Re: [9fans] 8 cores

2008-07-16 Thread erik quanstrom
I'd like to ask a question, but before I do, feel I should say, I've been on this list long enough to understand that Plan 9 is a research vessel, not an OS that's targeted at commercial deployment... i can't agree with this label research os if you mean to imply that it's not stable or

Re: [9fans] 8 cores

2008-07-16 Thread Uriel
if that doesn't compel you, running upas imap server for ~40 users with 1.3gb of inboxes might. since upas has the bad manners to load the entire mailbox, we're using about 90% of the 3.5gb bios will spare us in 32bit mode. i also watched it at 100% cpu for a solid hour yesterday. There is

Re: [9fans] 8 cores

2008-07-16 Thread Uriel
You could always import /net from a 9grid node in a (more) free country ;) (Maybe SA should start filtering 9P connections ;) Peace uriel On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 2:13 PM, John Waters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Mr Forsyth, I tried to respond to your directly, but the mail bounced. Here in

Re: [9fans] 8 cores

2008-07-16 Thread John Waters
I have a means to circumvent the filters, but not at my current location. Thankfully 9p flows as poorly as all the other protocols here in KSA, but it still flows. I wonder sometimes if I am the only plan 9 user in The Kingdom... Where most folks are accustomed to five nines of availability, the

Re: [9fans] 8 cores

2008-07-16 Thread Robert William Fuller
Uriel wrote: You could always import /net from a 9grid node in a (more) free country ;) (Maybe SA should start filtering 9P connections ;) Peace Glad to hear that device remoting has some practical applications :-) Given the US Department of Homeland Insecurity, we may need that in the US

Re: [9fans] 8 cores

2008-07-16 Thread Benjamin Huntsman
i can't agree with this label research os if you mean to imply that it's not stable or somehow unfinished. Not at all. Just meant that one doesn't run their company's Oracle database on it. Not because it's not worthy of doing so, but such things just aren't compiled for it. ...you mean

Re: [9fans] 8 cores

2008-07-16 Thread Uriel
On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 5:02 PM, Benjamin Huntsman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i can't agree with this label research os if you mean to imply that it's not stable or somehow unfinished. Not at all. Just meant that one doesn't run their company's Oracle database on it. Not because it's not

Re: [9fans] 8 cores

2008-07-16 Thread Roman V. Shaposhnik
On Tue, 2008-07-15 at 18:28 -0400, erik quanstrom wrote: coming as no suprise, the pc port of plan 9 does work just fine with 8 cores. mpls; cat /dev/sysstat 0 14271 21350133991116 0 0 0 99 0 Looking at

Re: [9fans] 8 cores

2008-07-16 Thread Iruata Souza
On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 2:12 AM, Benjamin Huntsman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Furthermore, does anyone out there run Plan 9 on non-x86 hardware anymore? only for the fun of it, I'm slowly trying to port it to my SGI O2. iru

Re: [9fans] 8 cores

2008-07-16 Thread erik quanstrom
On Tue, 2008-07-15 at 18:28 -0400, erik quanstrom wrote: coming as no suprise, the pc port of plan 9 does work just fine with 8 cores. mpls; cat /dev/sysstat 0 14271 21350133991116 0 0 0 99 0 Looking

[9fans] 8 cores

2008-07-15 Thread erik quanstrom
coming as no suprise, the pc port of plan 9 does work just fine with 8 cores. mpls; cat /dev/sysstat 0 14271 21350133991116 0 0 0 99 0 19116 1051772279 812 0

Re: [9fans] 8 cores

2008-07-15 Thread Benjamin Huntsman
coming as no suprise, the pc port of plan 9 does work just fine with 8 cores. Just out of interest, what's the machine? winmail.dat

Re: [9fans] 8 cores

2008-07-15 Thread Williams, Mitch
Which hardware platform is that? -mlw -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of erik quanstrom Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 3:29 PM To: 9fans@9fans.net Subject: [9fans] 8 cores coming as no suprise, the pc port of plan 9 does work just fine with 8

Re: [9fans] 8 cores

2008-07-15 Thread andrey mirtchovski
add this one to the list: http://9fans.net/archive/2003/12/182

Re: [9fans] 8 cores

2008-07-15 Thread Benjamin Huntsman
I'd like to ask a question, but before I do, feel I should say, I've been on this list long enough to understand that Plan 9 is a research vessel, not an OS that's targeted at commercial deployment... That being said, while huge scalability is certainly research-worthy, does anyone actually