Long-windedness aside, your thought process is fairly sound.
However, keep in mind that Plan 9 represents an escape from the perversion of
Unix.
Is a compromise between Plan 9 and Plan X worth the risk of history repeating
itself?
I appreciate your time and consideration in your responses, thanks!
You made several points and asked several questions this email,
however it's difficult for me to answer them because they appear
to be put forth under the idea that Plan X's purpose is to natively
host common popular
On Saturday 17 April 2010 00:28:42 SHRIZZA wrote:
Long-windedness aside, your thought process is fairly sound.
Sorry for the annoying verbosity. It's difficult for me to express the
ideas more succinctly in a manner that reduces the risk of flames
or misunderstanding.
However, keep in mind
fre 2010-04-16 klockan 23:49 -0700 skrev Corey:
I've been considering the prospect of implementing a
kencc dialect for the clang c front-end).
It is more practical to start with adding LLVM IR target to kencc. You
won't get Clang's source analysis/refactoring features this way, but it
is a
But even all that begins to miss the original attempted point of my
first post: the idea that perhaps it could be beneficial if there
were some means for interested Plan 9 fans to rationally discuss and
speculate on different potential expressions of Plan 9 based operating
systems.
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I appreciate your time and consideration in your
On the other hand: doesn't individual development suffers from at least two
problems?
(1) lack of a common vision leading to potentially widely divergent and
incompatible solutions
(2) lack of sufficient energy (manpower etc.) behind any given project
development to make any real headway.
On the other hand: doesn't individual development suffers from at least two
problems?
(1) lack of a common vision leading to potentially widely divergent and
incompatible solutions
Yes, but the products are small enough that one can bring two
incompatible strands together. Whereas
It's imperative that the current official Plan 9 sources and distro
remain undisturbed.
okay. it may not be your intention, but now you're trolling.
you complained that the official sources were stagnant in
your opening salvo. now you're arguing the opposite. hard
to take this completely
On the other hand: doesn't individual development suffers from at least two
problems?
(1) lack of a common vision leading to potentially widely divergent and
incompatible solutions
(2) lack of sufficient energy (manpower etc.) behind any given project
development to make any real
You can be right about the manpower issue. In no way could on man build a
bridge, but one man can build efficient software.
Even here there is room for disagreement. Do you think a
community-designed bridge would be preferable to one designed by a
single architect? The seminal concept of The
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You can be right about the manpower issue.
Joel C. Salomon wrote:
On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 2:56 PM, Federico G. Benavento
benave...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 2:11 PM, Joel C. Salomon joelcsalo...@gmail.com wrote:
My computer died, so I'm in the market for a new one. I figure I'd
like to get back into hacking on
Yes there is, but the disagreement in between what I wrote, and what you
read. In the quoted sentence, I was talking about the building, or
implementation, process. What you then began to talk about was the design
process.
Computer programming is much more design than implementation,
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Yes there is, but the disagreement in
You can be right about the manpower issue. In no way could on man build a
bridge, but one man can build efficient software.
Even here there is room for disagreement. Do you think a
community-designed bridge would be preferable to one designed by a
single architect? The seminal
On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 11:41 PM, lu...@proxima.alt.za wrote:
Polluting Plan 9 with fashionable toys isn't going to save the
world, isn't even going to be useful to the existing Plan 9 community,
so why do you believe it should happen, rather than allow Plan 9 as it
exists, both as a
-T is great. But Python can't be built with it. Python explicitly
creates functions with type signatures that don't match and this makes
-T very unhappy.
the examples i had to fix (that didn't simply require
#pragma incomplete) were errors, for instance something like the following:
one
I struggle with this. Groups can do things and have honour. And groups often do
things without paycheques. I remember a group effort to implement Tiny C for
microcomputers in the late 70s... it was a group effort and was plenty
honourable...
Patrick Kelly kameo76...@gmail.com 17/04/2010
The image this brought to mind was Buddhism. Would Buddhism be better
if it were infused with Evangelism? Doubtful.
As a very young Roman Catholic, I was quite taken by evangelism, I
still have embarrassing memories of shedding a tear for a missionary
amongst the lepers contracting leprosy
Attempting to [discuss and speculate on different potential expressions
of Plan 9] here on 9fans continues to be a traditional source
of agitation and flames, tempered with a healthy dose of shut up and
code.
As it appears to me, this mailing list does tolerate such discussion, and I
find
I struggle with this. Groups can do things and have honour. And groups often
do things without paycheques. I remember a group effort to implement Tiny C
for microcomputers in the late 70s... it was a group effort and was plenty
honourable...
There will always be exceptions. Also,
There will always be exceptions. Also, eadership can give a group an
Oops, where did the l in leadership go?
++L
You have repetitively ignored the heart of my e-mails, and even ignored
chunks of what I've said just to criticize me.
Sorry, knee-jerk response. If I disagree with what you say, I'm much
more likely to include it and criticise it than to ignore it. And I
see little value (to the community)
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You have repetitively ignored the heart of
Alright. Perhaps we're converging here. Small team is what I was thinking--I
agree that as teams get larger they get more unmanageable and tend to produce
less focused (and thus less efficient or pristine) results.
This has been a helpful discussion for me in terms of trying to get the gist of
* a stance against alternate programming language paradigms
A few seconds rummaging through /n/sources/contrib turns up:
scheme
ocaml
haskell
lua
limbo
linda
pforth
python
All these seem fairly alternate to me.
On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 16:58:00 PDT Corey co...@bitworthy.net wrote:
The Plan 9ers have successfully prevented the Plan Xers from encroaching,
but it's the Plan Xers who are going to find new and interesting expressions
of a Plan 9 based operating system, however in order to bootstrap, the Plan
perhaps Plan 9 is just the Black Books of software?
This is really too late for the GSoC bits. But possibly of interests for later
developments...
On Mar 25, 2010, at 6:03 AM, yy wrote:
Would such a project be interesting for this year gsoc? Is any mentor
interested in Forth?
I really think acme would make a great environment for Forth
On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 6:10 PM, Karljurgen Feuerherm kfeuerh...@wlu.ca wrote:
It occurred to me that a profitable thing to do here would be to mention some
things that would be nice to see in a new improved TeX... I believe
bidirectional was mentioned already.
The other thing that is
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