Hi everyone,
I'm writing a paper with troff -ms using the default Times font, and
the "greater than or equal to" symbol appears to have an extra
line...so it looks like '>' above '=', instead of '>' above '_' . It
looks like eqn is producing the right troff code... "\(>= . Is this a
peculiarity of
On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 6:10 PM, Karljurgen Feuerherm wrote:
> It occurred to me that a profitable thing to do here would be to mention some
> things that would be nice to see in a new improved TeX... I believe
> bidirectional was mentioned already.
>
> The other thing that is essential for folk
This is really too late for the GSoC bits. But possibly of interests for later
developments...
On Mar 25, 2010, at 6:03 AM, yy wrote:
>
> Would such a project be interesting for this year gsoc? Is any mentor
> interested in Forth?
>
> I really think acme would make a great environment for For
perhaps Plan 9 is just the Black Books of software?
On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 16:58:00 PDT Corey wrote:
>
> The Plan 9ers have "successfully" prevented the Plan Xers from "encroaching",
> but it's the Plan Xers who are going to find new and interesting expressions
> of a Plan 9 based operating system, however in order to bootstrap, the Plan
> Xers need
> * a stance against alternate programming language paradigms
A few seconds rummaging through /n/sources/contrib turns up:
scheme
ocaml
haskell
lua
limbo
linda
pforth
python
All these seem fairly alternate to me.
Alright. Perhaps we're converging here. Small team is what I was thinking--I
agree that as teams get larger they get more unmanageable and tend to produce
less focused (and thus less efficient or pristine) results.
This has been a helpful discussion for me in terms of trying to get the gist of
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> > You have repetitively ignored the h
> You have repetitively ignored the heart of my e-mails, and even ignored
> chunks of what I've said just to criticize me.
Sorry, knee-jerk response. If I disagree with what you say, I'm much
more likely to include it and criticise it than to ignore it. And I
see little value (to the community)
> There will always be exceptions. Also, eadership can give a group an
Oops, where did the "l" in leadership go?
++L
> I struggle with this. Groups can do things and have honour. And groups often
> do things without paycheques. I remember a group effort to implement Tiny C
> for microcomputers in the late 70s... it was a group effort and was plenty
> honourable...
There will always be exceptions. Also, eader
> Attempting to [discuss and speculate on different potential expressions
> of Plan 9] here on 9fans continues to be a traditional source
> of agitation and flames, tempered with a healthy dose of shut up and
> code.
As it appears to me, this mailing list does tolerate such discussion, and I
f
> The image this brought to mind was Buddhism. Would Buddhism be better
> if it were infused with Evangelism? Doubtful.
As a very young Roman Catholic, I was quite taken by evangelism, I
still have embarrassing memories of shedding a tear for a missionary
amongst the lepers contracting leprosy hi
> Individual work has a benefit no community work can have; honor. That
> product's success or failure is going to affect the image of who
> created it. When an individual creates a product, it has a desire to
> see it succeed. When a group creates a product, they have a desire to
> get their p
On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 8:29 PM, wrote:
> very little new is being created, but rather many old things are being
> "improved" upon (regurgitated) in manners that consume more and more
> computing cycles and deliver less and less performance.
I think this is an important observation.
When I saw
On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 3:49 AM, Corey wrote:
> On Friday 16 April 2010 21:29:44 lu...@proxima.alt.za wrote:
>> > Messy, with high levels of noise-to-signal - certainly... but absolutely,
>> > astoundingly productive and in constant motion.
>>
>> In my opinion, most of the output from the Posix de
I struggle with this. Groups can do things and have honour. And groups often do
things without paycheques. I remember a group effort to implement Tiny C for
microcomputers in the late 70s... it was a group effort and was plenty
honourable...
>>> "Patrick Kelly" 17/04/2010 10:19:40 am >>>
Indi
> -T is great. But Python can't be built with it. Python explicitly
> creates functions with type signatures that don't match and this makes
> -T very unhappy.
the examples i had to fix (that didn't simply require
#pragma incomplete) were errors, for instance something like the following:
one func
On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 11:41 PM, wrote:
> Polluting Plan 9 with fashionable toys isn't going to save the
> world, isn't even going to be useful to the existing Plan 9 community,
> so why do you believe it should happen, rather than allow Plan 9 as it
> exists, both as a philosophy and as the imp
> > > You can be right about the manpower issue. In no way could on man build a
> > > bridge, but one man can build efficient software.
> >
> > Even here there is room for disagreement. Do you think a
> > community-designed bridge would be preferable to one designed by a
> > single architect? Th
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> > Yes there is, but the disagreement
> Yes there is, but the disagreement in between what I wrote, and what you
> read. In the quoted sentence, I was talking about the building, or
> implementation, process. What you then began to talk about was the design
> process.
Computer programming is much more design than implementation, un
Joel C. Salomon wrote:
On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 2:56 PM, Federico G. Benavento
wrote:
On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 2:11 PM, Joel C. Salomon wrote:
My computer died, so I'm in the market for a new one. I figure I'd
like to get back into hacking on Plan 9 so I plan to install it
beneath a VM
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> > You can be right about the manpowe
> You can be right about the manpower issue. In no way could on man build a
> bridge, but one man can build efficient software.
Even here there is room for disagreement. Do you think a
community-designed bridge would be preferable to one designed by a
single architect? The seminal concept of "T
> On the other hand: doesn't individual development suffers from at least two
> problems?
>
> (1) lack of a common vision leading to potentially widely divergent and
> incompatible solutions
> (2) lack of sufficient energy (manpower etc.) behind any given project
> development to make any real
> It's imperative that the current official Plan 9 sources and distro
> remain undisturbed.
okay. it may not be your intention, but now you're trolling.
you complained that the official sources were stagnant in
your opening salvo. now you're arguing the opposite. hard
to take this completely se
> On the other hand: doesn't individual development suffers from at least two
> problems?
>
> (1) lack of a common vision leading to potentially widely divergent and
> incompatible solutions
Yes, but the products are small enough that one can bring two
incompatible strands together. Whereas de
On the other hand: doesn't individual development suffers from at least two
problems?
(1) lack of a common vision leading to potentially widely divergent and
incompatible solutions
(2) lack of sufficient energy (manpower etc.) behind any given project
development to make any real headway.
Pres
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> Corey
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>
>
> I appreciate your time and consideration in your
> But even all that begins to miss the original attempted point of my
> first post: the idea that perhaps it could be beneficial if there
> were some means for interested Plan 9 fans to rationally discuss and
> speculate on different potential expressions of Plan 9 based operating
> systems.
>
fre 2010-04-16 klockan 23:49 -0700 skrev Corey:
> I've been considering the prospect of implementing a
> kencc dialect for the clang c front-end).
It is more practical to start with adding LLVM IR target to kencc. You
won't get Clang's source analysis/refactoring features this way, but it
is a qui
On Saturday 17 April 2010 00:28:42 SHRIZZA wrote:
> Long-windedness aside, your thought process is fairly sound.
>
Sorry for the annoying verbosity. It's difficult for me to express the
ideas more succinctly in a manner that reduces the risk of flames
or misunderstanding.
> However, keep in mi
I appreciate your time and consideration in your responses, thanks!
You made several points and asked several questions this email,
however it's difficult for me to answer them because they appear
to be put forth under the idea that "Plan X's" purpose is to natively
host common popular consumer-l
> ... are simply - by far - much more important and practical to a greater
> number of people than these other prominent Plan 9 idioms:
>
> * radical frugal simplicity throughout the entire system
This would remove itself as soon as the developer base increases
beyond an indeterminate critical m
Long-windedness aside, your thought process is fairly sound.
However, keep in mind that Plan 9 represents an escape from the perversion of
Unix.
Is a compromise between Plan 9 and "Plan X" worth the risk of history repeating
itself?
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