.
Best wishes,
Eris Discordia
P.S. Heck, this is some sad commentary.
wishes,
Eris Discordia
--On Monday, June 30, 2008 3:55 PM -0500 Eric Van Hensbergen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 3:42 PM, Skip Tavakkolian [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
P.S. Heck, this is some sad commentary.
what's sad is that unless there's a dummy's guide to
something
that, on Linux,
FreeBSD, and Plan 9.
And success, by definition, doesn't need an apology. When there's an
apology there must have been a measure of failure.
Best wishes,
Eris Discordia
--On Monday, June 30, 2008 1:42 PM -0700 Skip Tavakkolian
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Plan 9 neither fulfills
Not a very kind comment. Though, it is possible that it's true.
What was there for me to understand about Plan 9 that I did not? Barring a
mystical bond with its exquisite kernel, of course.
--On Monday, June 30, 2008 1:01 PM -0700 ron minnich [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
well, Eris, it is
it seems like you are avoiding the point on purpose.
No purpose I'm aware of :-)
i don't think you can pick up a kernel with tweezers and make
a bunch of abstract statements about it. and so i think the fact
that unicode may be used anywhere a character is expected in plan9
does have a lot
I still don't get your point.
And does your point include these For Dummies books?
1. Alan Simpson - Visual Web Developer 2005 Express Edition For Dummies
2. Allen Wyatt - Cleaning Windows XP For Dummies
3. Barry Burd - Beginning Programming With Java For Dummies
4. Bill Sempf - Visual Basic
Having said that, but for web browsing, I'm quite
happy using Plan 9 as an end user that mostly writes code, slides, and
docs and reads mail. I mean, I use it not just to modify it. This does not
mean I cannot use others as well.
It's fine, if you're fine with it ;-) Do you ever visit any AJAX
-0300 Iruata Souza [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 6:20 PM, Eris Discordia
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Barring a mystical bond with its exquisite kernel, of course.
it seems you have done much kernel programming, eh?
iru
in conceptual
complexity for the user to at least three interconnected machines. Very
little has been done to cover that.
--On Monday, June 30, 2008 5:22 PM -0700 ron minnich [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 2:20 PM, Eris Discordia
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Not a very kind
9fans is 99 out of 100 times all code, code, code. You can ignore me as
an irrelevancy and read the other 99/100 posts. Good luck deep diving.
--On Tuesday, July 01, 2008 1:23 AM -0600 andrey mirtchovski
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My sad commentary is that for whatever reason plan9 keeps
Ms. Discordia, if you don't like it here why do you stay?
Just lurking, I overheard the hackers say.
--On Tuesday, August 19, 2008 4:12 PM -0600 andrey mirtchovski
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ms. Discordia, if you don't like it here why do you stay?
No, you justify your salary, dear Sir. I honestly respect you for having
written the nemo book--you're nemo after all. That, however, won't change
my stance on Plan 9 and the 9people. You have nothing else but
researching OS's and submitting papers. That justifies your 9life.
Others, like me,
Pietro Gagliardi
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Aug 19, 2008, at 6:00 PM, Eris Discordia wrote:
That's the gist of responses you've received before this one. I've
gone through these 9ish episodes twice. Plan 9 and the related
software just isn't for someone who wants to Get Their Job Done
(tm). It's
thanks for setting me straight. for some reason, i thought my company
had shipped several thousand units based on plan 9. i don't know what
would have given me that idea.
Somebody would make a bad choice anyway. Microsoft shipped thousands of
copies of Microsoft Bob before they learnt about
take it easy on the porn and get some real sex, eris. you're way too
angry.
Sir, yessir! The Marines don't do Japanese, sir!
--On Tuesday, August 19, 2008 10:31 PM -0300 Iruata Souza
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 8:51 PM, Eris Discordia
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Wrong
Did your language training involve being taught the difference between a
work/task and a job/profession?
--On Tuesday, August 19, 2008 10:08 PM -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
// Others, like me, have some petty work to do. Like knowing which
// character on which line they're editing or
, 2008, at 9:39 PM, Eris Discordia wrote:
No, that's not what I said. I said that Plan 9 obeys the UNIX
philosophy,
not that it was UNIX. GNU obeys this philosophy (up to the point of
where
to draw the lines on the size of tools). And to some extent, Windows
(Windows Movie Maker doesn't call up
should be Just stay away from Acme if you aren't lucky enough to be
stuck with Plan 9.
Could be. Only _luck_ could make you that miserable; reason does a better
job. Also, you could be a little funnier.
--On Tuesday, August 19, 2008 8:11 PM -0700 Skip Tavakkolian
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
as i suspected, you're here for therapy.
_Intense_ therapy.
i can see you're bitter.
Not very much. The researching and submitting and hoyvin' mayvin' is
going to be my bane, too. In a different field. Namely, differential
geometry. More specifically, Finsler geometry. To be exact,
Enlighten me, then. Revealing a date of commencement won't comprise a
breach of non-disclosure, would it?
--On Tuesday, August 19, 2008 11:34 PM -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Don't believe everything you read on Wikipedia.
style(6) says not to convert tabs to spaces.
I see. People on Plan 9 are told which characters they should or
shouldn't use in their text. Great!
An awk program can do this. The idea is to interpret tags as they come in
the form of a stack:
codestack
html
: permission denied
Why permission denied? What keeps a wheel from giving a user permissions
to /mnt/cell? You know, we live in a brave new world. ACLs were invented
long ago.
--On Wednesday, August 20, 2008 1:02 PM +0800 sqweek [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 9:39 AM, Eris
Read the rest of the paragraph you're responding to. Or stop feeding the
troll as the big bosses advised you.
--On Wednesday, August 20, 2008 11:12 AM +0100 matt
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What's the Plan 9 way of solving that? Trusting the user at the
terminal?
yes, no other things
sometimes. For those who haven't picked up on
the root of her name, Eris Discordia, just check out wikipedia and the
general annoyance that are us discordians (and our corresponding goddess,
Eris).
The only way to deal with a discordian is to filter it, or ignore it.
I'd stop feeding the troll
proprietary communication protocol
over the cellular network. An impression perpetuated by the 9people.
--On Wednesday, August 20, 2008 5:53 PM +0800 sqweek [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 5:15 PM, Eris Discordia
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Wow. Does memorising codepoints fall under
Code page 1252, ANSI Latin I. Presumably the one most widely used.
--On Wednesday, August 20, 2008 11:44 AM +0200 Sander van Dijk
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 8/20/08, Eris Discordia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[...] Figured it could as well be 8-bit ASCII.
Which one?
I was going to give it a rest. Really. But I couldn't overcome my bad
habits. They outnumber me ten to one ;-)
You're right; it isn't. Is that good or bad? What about in an office
environment? Same answer there?
Plan 9's aptitude for becoming easily distributed--that is, becoming
:
On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 11:46 PM, Eris Discordia
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thank you, sqweek. The second golden Golden Apple with καλλιστι
on it is totally yours. The first one went to Russ Cox.
You don't care who mounts what where, because the rest of the system
doesn't notice the namespace
A correction:
Mea culpa. UNIX systems apparently force processes to share a single
network stack, but that can be changed:
http://www.tel.fer.hr/zec/papers/zec-03.pdf
A paper on virtualizing network stacks in FreeBSD kernel, 2003 USENIX.
namespaces are not public in the sense that they are visible to all
processes.
I was trying to compare UNIX to Plan 9. Apparently, UNIX processes share a
single public namespace which therefore has to be protected by access
privileges.
since this started out as a discussion of terminals, i
] wrote:
On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 9:39 AM, Eris Discordia
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Basically, a terminal should not hold _any_ information on its users.
Where does the security of not keeping authentication information on a
so-called terminal go when you _keep_ it on the terminal
any more of this. End of transmission. ␄
--On Thursday, August 21, 2008 1:39 PM -0700 ron minnich
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 10:36 AM, Eris Discordia
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Is it _that_ annoying to you? I could just keep silent if it is so, no
booting required
, is the name of a deity, it
is safe to assume you are not a muslim. :) It is also As-salaamu,
there is a damma or u vowel atop then meem in salaam.
marhaban is a more appropriate greeting in this case.
On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 2:51 AM, Eris Discordia
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Do me a favor. Fire up
this leads to the conclusion that google is different from knowledge.
No. It leads to a more meaningful conclusion. Namely, that a 9person will
not learn another language, Arabic in this case, even by living in another
country, in this case the KSA.
And that there are better sources for
only. Since you are using the name Eris, is the name of a deity, it
is safe to assume you are not a muslim. :) It is also As-salaamu,
there is a damma or u vowel atop then meem in salaam.
marhaban is a more appropriate greeting in this case.
On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 2:51 AM, Eris Discordia
I tried running Plan 9 4e on Microsoft Virtual PC (v6.0.156.0, both 32- and
64-bit versions). It wouldn't work due to a strange problem with (virtual)
disk I/O. Virtual Server 2005 uses similar technology so I think it would
fail, too. Though, I didn't exactly give it a try. Hardware
] wrote:
On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 1:17 PM, Eris Discordia
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I tried running Plan 9 4e on Microsoft Virtual PC (v6.0.156.0, both 32-
and 64-bit versions). It wouldn't work due to a strange problem with
(virtual) disk I/O. Virtual Server 2005 uses similar technology so I
think
, Slackware Linux v10.1, PC-DOS 5.0,
and MS-DOS 6.22. So I guess Plan 9 is expecting something out of the
ordinary, or simply being too pedantic.
--On Friday, August 29, 2008 9:21 AM +0100 Robert Raschke
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 11:17 AM, Eris Discordia
[EMAIL PROTECTED
You many want to give Anant Narayanan's mirror a try:
http://www.kix.in/plan9/plan9.iso.bz2
I used this mirror:
http://www.tip9ug.jp/mirror/plan9.iso.bz2
It was fast back then.
--On Tuesday, September 09, 2008 8:57 AM -0700 Riza Dindir
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi there,
Where can we
Neither purposeful omission nor amnesia. Rather pragmatism. Nachos,
ReactOS, QNX, and many others are left unmentioned, too. From these QNX has
been _really_ successful in the real world and it's fully POSIX. MOS is a
book for teaching the natural way to students not the (fruitless) deviation
Operating Systems Design and Implementation, 3rd Edition doesn't mention
it, but it's the MINIX (ah, MINIX 3) book anyway. Modern Operating
Systems, 2nd Edition contains not even a reference. Computer Networks,
4th Edition doesn't mention 9P at all--RPC's there, though.
Cool!
--On Friday,
, a _hypothetical_. Seeing how
terrific the hypothetical sounds one gets to shudder at the sound of
Anant Narayanan's actual promotion of Plan 9.
--On Friday, September 12, 2008 2:47 PM -0400 Pietro Gagliardi
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sep 12, 2008, at 8:28 AM, Eris Discordia wrote:
completely
So Eris, you coming to iw9p?
Sure not. I can't even (financially) afford a trip to the nearest
town--Greece is way out of the little volume of phase space this poor Gibbs
ensemble can sweep in any short time period from now ;-) Nonetheless,
vicarial pleasure is always an option: you go
dispite the gratitous ad hominem, i'm sorry that this is difficult.
Don't take it seriously, erik. Even if you do, what's wrong with being a
cold, insensitive, unsympathetic computer wizard (that's what high IQ and
low EQ means)? There are a number of them out there, in very nice
positions,
What next ISO release?
Either... one created from a later compile downloadable from Bell Labs or
any of the mirrors--for example, the one at kix.in which is continually
updated. I recently had the opportunity to download it. The install/live
image I first tried on VPC anteceded this one.
What makes you think that?
http://www.kix.in/plan9/
The latest available Plan 9 ISO image is from September 01, 2008.
The sources were last updated on April 12, 2008.
Which _could_ be outdated, but then if Anant Narayanan cares enough to
mirror the ISO and the sources at his own
you're a master baiter.
I didn't get it after the first reading. Not even after the third reading
did it dawn on me. When it did I thought to myself, the man must be a
pervert to think even mailing lists can be used to that end. But I admit
it was _totally_ shrewd.
--On Monday, October 13,
I loved this thread. Thanks everyone. Thanks Rudolf Sykora.
practical application. now there are big books on `regular expressions'
mainly because they are no longer regular but a big collection of ad-hoc
I thought they were regular because they regularly occurred in the
target text. Turns out other interpretations are possible. Though, mine has
the
there's a reason they're not called regularly expressions.
As explained in the post by Brian L. Stuart it's a matter of grammar :-P
(if this were the definition, an expression's regularlyness would
depend on the target text, would it not?)
Yes, and that _would_ be why you wouldn't craft a
First of all, thanks for the explanation. It's above my head, but thanks
anyway.
This guy seems to blur the distinctions here. His discussion
He doesn't. If one reads the whole section part of which was quoted one
will see that he clearly states DFA and NFA are theoretically equivalent,
i think it's a tradition at this point to use 0x20 and not 0x00 to
fill a fixed-with signature. ata identify device uses 0x20 to fill
out fixed-width fields like the serial number. i'd be interested
where this tradition popped up. 0 would make more sense.
I risk being wrong--as always--and
I can run Plan 9 quite nicely in 128 MB of RAM. In the same amount of
memory FreeBSD is paging nightmare, despite it's wonderfully complex
shared library environment.
You're wrong. Case in point: my FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE installation on a 233
MHz PII (one of those Slot 1 processors) with 128 MB
, 2008 at 7:25 AM, Eris Discordia [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
i think it's a tradition at this point to use 0x20 and not 0x00 to
fill a fixed-with signature. ata identify device uses 0x20 to fill
out fixed-width fields like the serial number. i'd be interested
where this tradition popped up. 0 would
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~/clms]# ls -l `which vim`
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 1221212 Oct 15 2006 /usr/local/bin/vim
C:\Program Files (x86)\Vim\vim71dir gvim.exe
Volume in drive C has no label.
Volume Serial Number is
Why do gods that walk the earth invariably act like spoilt brats? Ah,
hang on ...
Prolly because a god is only a human's conceited ego. Oh, wait...
--On Wednesday, November 05, 2008 10:55 AM + Robert Raschke
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 10:33 AM, Eris Discordia
, Eris Discordia [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~/clms]# ls -l `which vim`
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 1221212 Oct 15 2006 /usr/local/bin/vim
C:\Program Files (x86)\Vim\vim71dir gvim.exe
Volume in drive
less is more.
If you say so, sir, it must be true. Is it also true that the less I
understand of your comment the more meaningful it becomes?
--On Wednesday, November 05, 2008 1:12 PM -0800 Rob Pike
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
less is more.
-rob
5, 2008 at 12:54 PM, Eris Discordia
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
yes, I agree, I was being terribly unfair to plan 9. Acme on plan 9 is
about 1/2 M. Vim on DOS is 3x larger? impressive.
My intent was, of course, to show your comparison is baseless. It seems
you still haven't realized that. You think
2:13 PM -0800 ron minnich
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On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 12:54 PM, Eris Discordia
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
yes, I agree, I was being terribly unfair to plan 9. Acme on plan 9 is
about 1/2 M. Vim on DOS is 3x larger? impressive.
My intent was, of course, to show your
Please forgive the repeated messages. It didn't appear in my mail client's
Sent view after I hit send. Thought it might have been lost so I re-wrote
it.
Thanks for the information.
--On Wednesday, November 05, 2008 5:23 PM -0800 Rob Pike
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
When Sun reported on their first implementation of shared libraries,
the paper they presented (I think it was at Usenix) concluded that
shared libraries made things bigger and
it at that. By the way, the programmer's do-all is an IDE I
presume.
Finally, thanks for bearing with me and supplying things I didn't know.
--On Wednesday, November 05, 2008 5:25 PM -0800 ron minnich
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 4:45 PM, Eris Discordia [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote
Little troll, thy baiting f'r fray--
My thoughtless passage has flushed away
Am not _I_ a troll like thee,
Or art not _thou_ a Goddess like me?
Practice your technique, little troll, while you have time to do mischief
under the Goddess' nose!
--On Friday, November 07, 2008 6:07 PM -0800
or
maybe a simple Benzo. Maybe twice a day, or when required.
brucee
On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 11:37 PM, Noah Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection
On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 9:21 AM, Eris Discordia
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Little troll, thy baiting f'r
Not very relevant but anyway: there are also Ion/Ion2 and pwm in the
category of completely keyboard-controllable tiling window managers, if you
are interested. Ion/Ion2 is Lua scriptable. Xmonad is rather young and the
screenshots seemed to me to mimic Ion/Ion2 which in turn is based on
Port 587 is mostly used for TLS encrypted SMTP. Blocking outgoing 25 is
madness. Email is one rudimentary service everyone expects from their
Internet connectivity and not everybody uses web mail interfaces.
machines from spamming. Why do you think yours stopped incoming port
25? Probably
Excuse my interruption, please. I probably understand less than half of
this exchange, certainly none of the in-jokes, and I know Eric Van
Hensbergen might not exactly like compliments from a lowlife but whatever:
you rock Mr. Van Hensbergen!
And some stuff for troll-clubbers to club me with:
:-)
--On Wednesday, November 12, 2008 1:40 PM +0900 sqweek [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 9:32 AM, Eris Discordia
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And some stuff for troll-clubbers to club me with:
1. What is 9P's edge over text-based protocol X?
It has a simple mapping to basic
The information is very much appreciated here, Erik Quanstrom.
so in plan 9, it's possible to know the device providing the file
(try ls -l /dev), [...]
From this I gather the client-side caching problem sqweek pointed out can
be easily addressed. Caching or no caching can be decided by the
Hiding the details of the underlying resources is one of the
functions/features of the OS, isn't it?
Bjarne Stroustrup likes to call that data abstraction and encapsulation;
in a different context. But the essence of it is the same. Operational
details have to be hidden, functional ones not.
work. *9fans breathes a sigh
of relief*
Take your time. You never promised to tutor me through and through ;-)
(I don't see why 9fans should be annoyed by a few emails).
--On Friday, November 14, 2008 1:55 AM +0900 sqweek [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 10:23 PM, Eris
Although I cannot lay an egg, I am a very good judge of omelettes.
They say George Bernard Shaw said it.
(No, I'm not arrogant enough to consider myself the egg, the omelette, the
cook, or the critic. I'm the hungry soul looking into the restaurant from
behind the glass walls.)
Ah! The Frenchman speaks.
--On Friday, November 14, 2008 6:22 PM +0100 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 10:38:01AM -0600, Eric Van Hensbergen wrote:
There are those that say too many cooks spoil the broth.
This isn't our problem.
Our problem is that we have a kitchen full of
PDF files are books as much as printed bound stacks of paper are. Nemo's
book should suffice--the rest is exploration. Plan 9 is lean and nimble,
these 9fans say. You could be their proof of concept. Let's see what
becomes of you.
--On Friday, November 14, 2008 5:23 PM -1000 Nolan Hamilton
Exactly! An idle TCP connection costs you nothing except the state that
Would you mind reading my response, too, and then informing me of your
opinion?
Not only that, but if you look at the amount of state something like
iptables on Linux needs to keep in order to provide NAT capabilities
:
On Nov 15, 2008, at 2:07 PM, Eris Discordia wrote:
What field?
Out of the field := clueless
I believe our conversation stops right here. Should you
ever consider restarting it -- a simple apology for
being an asshole would do the trick.
Thanks,
Roman.
If there were no real routers and the world still used bang paths you
wouldn't be thinking about overlay networks the way you do. Does your
thinking fall under the same category of fallacy?
By the way, I think you have missed the meaning of raison d'etre. There is
a necessity, a problem,
/listen1 -tv tcp!*!22 /bin/aux/trampoline tcp!$linux!22
there you have it, port forwarding without the need to reset all your
connections (my d-link router does it).
On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 8:07 PM, Eris Discordia
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It would be helpful if you can quote exactly the part on which
Eris, are you telling, that plan9 is not suited to all the problems of
all badly designed and bloated software? Oh goddess, that's horrible.
What is this thing you're searching for? Have you tried it with XML?
Yes and no. The badly designed and bloated software is in large part a
relic of Bell
watch the talks at Google's IPv6 conference, and you
will see how much misery NAT is causing.
On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 12:45 PM, Eris Discordia
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If there were no real routers and the world still used bang paths you
wouldn't be thinking about overlay networks the way you do. Does
?--is most meaningless and non-standard.
--On Monday, November 17, 2008 12:09 AM +0900 sqweek [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 8:39 PM, Eris Discordia
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
aux/listen1 -tv tcp!*!22 /bin/aux/trampoline tcp!$linux!22
And in this case you
don't have
most people have plenty of power to spare on their cpu
servers and feeding a dsl modem at 10mbit/sec is really
trivial these days. were you thinking of natting 1gbit?
Needless to say, very capable (Linux-based) DSL modems with highly
configurable built-in switch, router, NAT, and firewal are
the trite not reinventing the wheel is countered with
the equally trite use the right tool for the job. both
avoid the point of carefully evaluating the engineering
problem.
Deprecating IL must have had engineering reasons. Among them, I guess, that
in the course of time and as applications
Finally, one very remarkable remark sighs deeply.
Ron Minnich clarifies what _is_ indeed the advantage of Plan 9. I hope
those who have followed this thread so far at last see what I was driving
at. The edge of Plan 9 was never in kernel space but in user space.
To put it in the abstract
This explanation isn't immediately comprehensible to me--I guess I'll have
to read the man pages and some other documentation and then come back to
understand this.
Thanks anyway.
--On Sunday, November 16, 2008 4:52 PM -0500 erik quanstrom
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
the same time. I thought
It was a pleasure and quite educational to read your posting, Micah Stetson.
The Plan 9 kernel doesn't do load balancing like that. (Why should
it?) To do it in Plan 9, you'd write a small program that listened on
a particular address and multiplexed connections to a list of other
addresses.
Are there any NAT solutions which handle millions of hosts? Are
we having a discussion about unicorns?
No. Which is why not that existing ones have been. And wreak of havoc
occurs _long_ before refers to the hypothetical gateway being brought down
with far fewer connections, irrespective of
Oops! Hopefully as list moderator you will accept my apologies
for having drawn out a discussion beyond its useful time!!
You have misread my tone--it was suggestive, not assertive. Note that it
was I who raised a question, and then it was I who felt the question was
(more than) adequately
, -am here].
--On Tuesday, November 18, 2008 8:59 PM -0500 Nathaniel W Filardo
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 09:24:19PM +, Eris Discordia wrote:
That isn't happening. All we have is one TCP
I wouldn't go so far as to say Plan 9 disallows certain functions that
are implicit in NAT. As someone mentioned in the thread before, it is
certainly possible and rather easy to write something similar to
trampoline(8) to perform load balancing. Add in packet analysis to the
mix and you have
So how to think about it? First, it's *not* NAT, because
there's no address translation going on.
I know. I understood this after the discussions of the past few days.
What I pointed out to Anant Narayanan was that his proposed _new_
capability which involved _packet analysis_ would _have
Yet you're still contending the following:
What I pointed out to Anant Narayanan was that his proposed _new_
capability which involved _packet analysis_ would _have to_ operate on
network layer data units, ergo, NAT again.
Packet analysis == Network layer operations ~= NAT
That's not
That is, the concept of 9P and filesystesms thereof, is an idea of
`networking' in a very general sense
In what very general sense? File servers and 9P seem to me to be mostly
ideas about abstracting a computing platform's functionality, aka
resources--I'm thinking udev or Windows HAL.
The
hey, 9P is all text [...]
wrong.
Upon reading this:
Each message consists of a sequence of bytes. Two–, four–, and
eight–byte fields hold unsigned integers represented in little–endian
order (least significant byte first). Data items of larger or variable
lengths are represented by a
wrong. binary would be the opposite of text.
Now I'm becoming convinced you are trying to infuriate me. That 9P is
actually binary is a _fact_, which you presented to me, thank you, okay?
But, the _idea_, which existed in the posting you had quoted, remained and
remains the same
seems you use IMAP to read gmail. I usually read my gmail mail through
my web browser, which is not a problem from opera/firefox in linux.
However, I can't do the same from plan9. Neither abaco, nor charon
work. Is this so for everyone or just for me? Thanks.
GMail's normal web interface is a
does humans work well with that software?
I do, but I doubt I qualify as human--from your point of view.
--On Friday, November 21, 2008 5:52 PM -0200 Iruata Souza
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On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 5:33 PM, Eris Discordia
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FUN FACT: GMail works well
, Eris Discordia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
ps: I love science
Yeah, and that must be UV.
P.S. I know I shouldn't be replying and further staining my already
messed up reputation here.
--On Friday, November 21, 2008 6:16 PM -0200 Iruata Souza
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On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 5:57
Again, just say *no* to xml, even the web 2.0 fools have given it up.
I agree. Web 2.0 is for fools.
I don't agree. Say yes to XML because you have to say yes to some markup
language anyway. Why not give the yes to an eXtensible one with a zillion
applications already, from TEI to DocBook to
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