Re: [abcusers] New standard(s)

John Chambers wrote: > > Bruce Olson writes: > | John Chambers wrote: > Sorry for that; I clicked the wrong button. NIST studies a situation and makes reccomendations to Congress. Congress, not NIST, then considers, and decides what will be a legal definition. Bruce Olson -- R

Re: [abcusers] New standard(s)

John Chambers wrote: > > Bruce Olson writes: > | John Chambers wrote: > | > There was a rather funny NRP article in the late 80's about the > | > non-celebration of the 100th anniversary of the US "going metric". > | > They explained what they me

Re: [abcusers] New standard(s)

don their highly publicized campaign to convert to metric. Much had already been done, at no small expense, and had to be abandoned for an expensive reconversion back to 'English' units [e.g., all the new gasoline/petrol pumps that delivered in liters had to be abandoned, and old (US) gallon p

Re: [abcusers] Re: QBasic "Play" statement

ck with the options that PLAY allows. Bruce Olson -- Roots of Folk: Old British Isles popular and folk songs, tunes, and broadside ballads at Bruce Olson's website http://www.erols.com/olsonw";> Click To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html

Re: [abcusers] what's your Walshaw number?

ot;. > --> off-list mail to "j-c" rather than "abc" at this site, please <-- > > To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: > http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html I never met Paul Erdos, but the paper he wrote ALONE on minimization of optical a

Re: [abcusers] K:Hp anyone?

mporarily unavailable. ABCs of the 200 tunes in vol. I of Aird's 'Airs' are given on Jack Campin's website. Coded there as K:Hp are numbers: 11, 18, 37, 39, 43, 48, 124, 141 and 167. Bruce Olson -- Roots of Folk: Old British Isles popular and folk songs, tunes, broadside ballad

Re: [abcusers] new BNF spec

;t determine a unique n' in the range of 1 to 7, then the tune is improperly coded, but with correct tune coding then you will get an n' (such that Y(n') = x) uniquely determining the scoring mode, and this implies nothing elsewhere in the ABC as far as upper or lower case

Re: [abcusers] Just a little seasonal song (for a change)

given in file SONGTXT2.TXT on my website, with an ABC of the tune in file S2.ABC. [Bert Lloyd is there, too, but in a picture that he once posed for me.] Bruce Olson -- Roots of Folk: Old British Isles popular and folk songs, tunes, broadside ballads at my website http://www.erols.com/olsonw

Re: [abcusers] Key sigs again

John Chambers wrote: > > Bruce Olson writes: > | I had thought I had the simplest way to figure out sharps and flats > | on the key signature from mode and keynote graphed on a .GIF on > | my website. I was wrong. I found a much simpler way, as shown on a > | new .GIF there,

[abcusers] Key sigs again

an, 6-phrygian, and 7- locrian) from that note number and you get the number of sharps or flats you put on the key signature. If the number is negative it's the number of flats, and if it's positive it's the number of sharps. Bruce Olson -- Roots of Folk: Old British Isles popular a

[abcusers] Modes: Greeks and others

observed (not theoretical) 'Greek" mode. Those less that 3 notes away comprise over 99.9% of all tunes listed in file COMBCOD3.TXT on my website. MODETABL.TXT there lists all the modes I've seen, to which is added this mode classification as: G- Greek based, H- 1 note away from Greek, I

Re: [abcusers] RE: Explicit key signatures

te, but they seem to be quite variable within a mode. I've looked at ABCs of some tunes among the broadside ballad ones on my website. They sure liked accidentals in the 17th century. Among the 550 tunes there I only found 5 7-note minors, but many scored minor. Same for mixolydian. Most have more t

Re: [abcusers] RE: Explicit key signatures

Bruce Olson wrote: >. > Actually the C#s are unstressed short > notes that shouldn't be counted, so the tune if D should be > called a hexatonic Lydian/Ionian. >. Make that hexatonic Ionian/Mixolydian Bruce Olson Roots of Folk: Old British Isles popular a

Re: [abcusers] RE: Explicit key signatures

Jack Campin wrote: >... > See "Delven Side", p.15 of the Complete Repository volume 1. It's in > E dorian, described as "In E with 3d." >.. > === What is the keynote? E natural with flatted 3rd is in the description, not the

Re: [abcusers] Key/Mode algorithm

Phil Taylor wrote: > > Bruce Olson wrote: > >> > >> Phil Taylor wrote: > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > The other scale that I can't find any examples for is the pentatonic > >> > Pi-5. I suspect tha

Re: [abcusers] Key/Mode algorithm

Bruce Olson wrote: > > Phil Taylor wrote: > > > > > > > The other scale that I can't find any examples for is the pentatonic > > Pi-5. I suspect that there aren't any, as that scale involves dropping > > the fifth, and

Re: [abcusers] Key/Mode algorithm

l, of course, be modified by some sharps or flats when we change mode). Note particulary that in A minor mode this gives D = 293 1/3 instead of D = 297 of C major. With this we add a perfect DFA minor chord, so in minor modes minor chords start on the 1st, 4th, and 5th of the scale, like in major mod

Re: [abcusers] Key/Mode algorithm

the ABC first. > > Phil Taylor > Thanks for the Locrian tune. I had heard about 5 years ago that there was one, but the ones that told me about it didn't know where to find it. Bruce Olson -- Roots of Folk: Old British Isles popular and folk songs, tunes, broadside ballads at my

Re: [abcusers] RE: Explicit key signatures

lder scheme, sometimes used, derived by Anne Geddes Gilchrist. As Phil points out the Bronson pi-n scheme is easy and much more logical, and in my estimation much to be prefered). Bruce Olson -- Roots of Folk: Old British Isles popular and folk songs, tunes, broadside ballads at my web

Re: [abcusers] Key/Mode algorithm

Robert Bley-Vroman wrote: > > On Sun, 21 Jul 2002 17:09:00 -0400 Bruce Olson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >Mode distribution: Highest 31 modes (of 179) of the 6601 tunes > >stressed coded in file Comcode.TXT on my website. > > > > This table is w

Re: [abcusers] Re: Key/Mode algorithm

y a jerk in this posting. > > John Chambers wrote - > > >Nobody has suggested replacing K:tonic+mode with K:signature. > > Unfortunately Bruce Olson did say - > > >That's one more reason why I'd like > >to see the key-mode in K: eliminated; we can cut

Re: [abcusers] Key/Mode algorithm

is: ionian, ion/mix, lyd/ion, pi1, pi4, mix, dor/aeol, aeolian, mix/dor, dor, aeol/phr. Of the most common 7 modes here, only ionian has as many as 7 notes, and aeolian is down to 8th place. The 'Greek' mode model starts out with a bang on ionian, but after that doesn't

Re: [abcusers] Explicit key signatures

don't end on the keynote, (which are 4% of the 6601 tunes coded in file COMBCODE.TXT on my website) can sometimes be difficult to figure out as far as key and mode go, and not all interpreters will come out with the same key-mode combination for a given tune. Bruce Olson -- Roots of Folk: Old

Re: [abcusers] Re: keys & modes (was: tune finder)

eft adds n sharps to the key signature (or subtracts n flats if key sig. is 7b). Moving it n modes to the right adds n flats to the key signature (or subtracts n sharps if key sig. is 7#). That's all there is to it. Bruce Olson -- Roots of Folk: Old British Isles popular and folk songs, tu

Re: [abcusers] Re: keys & modes (was: tune finder)

mode to the left of a given key-mode for the same keynote add a sharp to (or subtract a flat from) the key signature, and for every mode to the right for the same keynote add a flat to the key signature. Going to the LEFT from Lydian to Locrian add a sharp to (or subtract a flat from) the key

Re: [abcusers] modes (again)

half of them (52%) are tune mode NOT EQUAL to scoring mode. Bruce Olson -- Roots of Folk: Old British Isles popular and folk songs, tunes, broadside ballads at my no-spam website - www.erols.com/olsonw or just http://www.erols.com/olsonw";> Click Motto: Keep at it; muddling thr

Re: [abcusers] modes (again)

r browser. >From it slowpokes can find the proper key - signature- scoring mode combination on it in about 5 seconds. Bruce Olson Roots of Folk: Old British Isles popular and folk songs, tunes, broadside ballads at my no-spam website - www.erols.com/olsonw or just http://www.erols.com/ols

Re: [abcusers] OT: hornpipes

ey sale have our Jenny, hope I". As part of the wedding feast there is danced a 'horn pype', with many calls given. It's not obvious that the hornpipe differed from other country dances. The English prior to 1700 occasionally called Scottish songs 'jiggs'. If you try to go t

Re: [abcusers] intonation - Fomula for determining a half step inMgHz...

ther. Unfortunatley I have to drive about 5 miles to some stables in the Potomac Hunt Country and see if some of those white mares and stallions can spare me a few of their tail feathers (I hope salt on them will work, cause I can run very fast anymore). Just one strand on the bow doesn't w

Re: [abcusers] Pythagoras

up. > > === <http://www.purr.demon.co.uk/jack/> === > > To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: >http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html Many thanks (again) Jack, I've also seen it questioned as to whether the ancient Greeks knew what an octave was. B

Re: [abcusers] intonation - Fomula for determining a half step inMgHz...

atements to run it in Quickbasic. Basic scale C/ionian is displayed at the start, then you select key, then scoring mode for the scale of your choice. For the 21 note just intonation one just eliminate the first and last frequencies of all 7 letter notes. Bruce Olson Old English, Irish and,

Re: [abcusers] Fomula for determining a half step in MgHz...

t; have it sound reasonably OK in all keys. > > Phil Taylor > > To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: >http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html There have been various interpretations on what the Pythagorian scale is (search web with Google, even look at H. Partch, which

Re: [abcusers] Fomula for determining a half step in MgHz...

ROTECTED]) > http://www.laymusic.org : Putting live music back in the living room. > > To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: >http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html About a week and a half ago I asked a piano tuner friend how he did it. He has a tuning fork to start (A=440

Re: [abcusers] Fomula for determining a half step in MgHz...

nything between a minor third (x 6/5) to a major 5th (x 3/2) work. Then things start getting complicated. Also it came as a surprise to me to find the Basics sound command gives square waves at the speaker (ABC2WIN and my ABZ player). Norbeck's AbcMus I haven't examined much, but my tria

Re: [abcusers] Fomula for determining a half step in MgHz...

> > To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: >http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html That's what I said. There's more equal temperament scales than the 12 tone one. E.g., 19, for one. It's easy to make others if you know a little math. Bruce Olson Old English,

Re: [abcusers] Fomula for determining a half step in MgHz...

>http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html Step semitones by a factor of 2 to the 1/N power (up and down from A = 440 Hz (usually); N usually 12. What are MgHz? Hz and KHz are more appropriate for ears. Bruce Olson -- Old English, Irish and, Scots: popular songs, tunes, broadside b

Re: [abcusers] ABC2WIN, AbcMus

John Walsh wrote: > > > > > Bruce Olson wrote: > > > > > > My ABC2WIN has a nice little button on the tool bar that plays > > > A=440 Hz (verified on a 2 channel oscilloscope with 1 KHz reference > > > square wave on the 2nd channel). Why do

[abcusers] ABC2WIN, AbcMus

Bruce Olson wrote: > > My ABC2WIN has a nice little button on the tool bar that plays > A=440 Hz (verified on a 2 channel oscilloscope with 1 KHz reference > square wave on the 2nd channel). Why does my ABC2WIN play that A in a > tune at 880 Hz, (and all other notes) an

[abcusers] Re: ABC2WIN frequencies

My ABC2WIN has a nice little button on the tool bar that plays A=440 Hz (verified on a 2 channel oscilloscope with 1 KHz reference square wave on the 2nd channel). Why does my ABC2WIN play that A in a tune at 880 Hz, (and all other notes) an octave too high? Bruce Olson Old English, Irish

Re: [abcusers] Dancing With Bears

ashington, DC; we're sick of it, but I'm not sure if it's officially banned as yet by FSGW (at fsgw.org). Bruce Olson Old English, Irish and, Scots: popular songs, tunes, broadside ballads at my website (no advs-spam, etc)- www.erols.com/olsonw or click below http://www.erol

Re: [abcusers] New abc music file released

Bruce Olson wrote: > > Steve Mansfield wrote: > > > > I'd like to announce that my latest abc file is now online - a > > transcription of all 50 of the tunes in the Renaissance dance tutor book > > Orchesography. > > > > Laura and Frank have

Re: [abcusers] New abc music file released

w.tullochgorm.com/lists.html Wow, a current reprint of "Orchesography", 1589 (by Thoinot Arbeau) is $80. My Dover reprint was #2.25. Bruce Olson Old English, Irish and, Scots: popular songs, tunes, broadside ballads at my website (no advs-spam, etc)- www.erols.com/olsonw

Re: [abcusers] Modes and key signatures (Was: Hi)

solve it by an iterative process of convergence to a numerical solution. One may or may not be able to describe the numerical by an closed form analytic equation. (I'm ashamed to admit I've had to do that for a multiple concave and flat mirror optical system when I couldn't cope with

Re: [abcusers] Modes and key signatures (Was: Hi)

John Chambers wrote: > > Bruce Olson writes: > | Why so awkward? I've already shown how to do this quite simply with > | J:, [] and in the K: you still have the > | logic flaw. It's going to be a developer's nightmare to resolve any > | inconsistanies in the tr

Re: [abcusers] Modes and key signatures (Was: Hi)

s kind of thing where it's obvious that scoring mode is simply convenience or whim, and doesn't mean much. The 4 11 note tunes coded in file COMBCOD2.TXT are from tunes all scored as minor modes, but they is no way of telling whether they are expanded minors or majors. That scoring is just a

[abcusers] ABC player, stressed not coder, and tune plotter

t display works now. I had troubles from the fact that the display in the compiled version is a bit different from that in the developmental working version, and found I'd lost some important printed text at the top left of the plot screen. Bruce Olson Old English, Irish and, Scots:

[abcusers] ABC player and plotter

USEABZ.TXT on my website. I hope this will prove of some use, because I sure couldn't sell it on the basis of beauty of the plots. That they surely aren't. Bruce Olson -- Old English, Irish and, Scots: popular songs, tunes, broadside ballads at my website (no advs-spam, etc)- w

Re: [abcusers] gracenotes

John Chambers wrote: > > Bruce Olson writes: > | > | Grace notes are automatically slured to the following note in my > | program, because you have to take the time for the graces notes from it, > | and if you don't slur them the main note sounds staccato. > >

Re: [abcusers] gracenotes

ressed notes. I've added the highland pipe K:Hp to my program, but that doesn't know anything about about keys and modes, so use J:Hp if you want to know those. Bruce Olson -- Old English, Irish and, Scots: popular songs, tunes, broadside ballads at my website (no advs-spam,

Re: [abcusers] gracenotes

take the time for the graces notes from it, and if you don't slur them the main note sounds staccato. It's fairly easy to put grace notes after the note from which they get their time duration, but such are so rare that it didn't seem to me to be worth the effort. Bruce Olson Old

Re: [abcusers] developers/user

re all Western style tunes (conventional ordering of sharps and flats) as locrian, which is fine with ABC, which only cares about the sharps or flats, but that will never give me a viable keynote. Bruce Olson Old English, Irish and, Scots: popular songs, tunes, broadside ballads at my website (no advs-spam, etc)- www.erols.com/olsonw or click below http://www.erols.com/olsonw"> Click To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html

Re: [abcusers] developers/user

roduced a sharps and flats key signature so > presumably "We who like it the way it is" will be down on him like a ton of > bricks. > Until Chris Walshaw (or representative authorized by him) complains it will remain J: Bruce Olson Old English, Irish and, Scots: popular songs

[abcusers] Stressed note code

tion is displayed. PS: I'm not a developer. I'm interested in coding tunes for purposes of identification. Bruce Olson Old English, Irish and, Scots: popular songs, tunes, broadside ballads at my website (no advs-spam, etc)- www.erols.com/olsonw or click below http://www.erols.com/o

Re: [abcusers] General Monk's March

D4) :| > > - > Jack Campin * 11 Third Street, Newtongrange, Midlothian EH22 4PU, Scotland > tel 0131 660 4760 * fax 0870 055 4975 * http://www.purr.demon.co.uk/jack/ > food intolerance data &

Re: [abcusers] General Monk's March

X:1 T:The Lord Monk's March S:Dancing Master, 3rd ed., supplement, 1657, via Barlow's book, 1985 Q:120 L:1/4 M:C| K:Dm F/D3/2F2|c/A3/2c2|A/c/(d/c/)A(G/F/)|(E/F/)(G/F/)E(D/C/)|\ (F/D3/2)F3/2d/|(c/A3/2)f2|e2(d/^c/)(d/e/)|^c/(G3/2A2)::\ g2a2|f3/2c/ (d/c/)(A/F/)|G2d2|G3(A/B/)|(c/d/)(c/A/)c3/2 A/

Re: [abcusers] 3/2 hornpipe was: Modal confusion

re.html > > Regards, > > Chris Walshaw > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: >http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html For several more 3/2 hornpipes go to Chris Walshaw's ABC homepage and click on 'abc collect