Re: [abcusers] 3/2 hornpipe was: Modal confusion

2000-08-24 Thread Frank Nordberg
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > ... > accidental F naturals if it used your K:G^f_b_e key signature. > > X:1 > T:Presbyterian Hornpipe > M:3/2 > L:1/8 > K:Gm > G2B2B2G2cBAG|^F2A2A2F2A3F|G2B2ABcA Bc d2|D2G2G2B2A2G2:| > g2b2b2g2b2ag|f2a2a2f2a2gf|e2f2g2f2g2a2|f6e2d2c2| > B2d2f2B2d2f2|A2c2f2A2c2f2|G

Re: [abcusers] 3/2 hornpipe was: Modal confusion

2000-08-24 Thread Chris Walshaw
On Thu, Aug 24, 2000 at 11:34:41AM +0200, Frank Nordberg wrote: > > I dont want to sidetrack this discussion, but how on earth do you play a > hornpipe in 3/2 time??? > I know about hornpipes in 4/4 and 2/2 and 12/8, but this one is new for me. > 3/2 hornpipes or "double" hornpipes were

Re: [abcusers] 3/2 hornpipe was: Modal confusion

2000-08-24 Thread Frank Nordberg
Thanks a lot Chris :) Does any BarFly users happen to have a suitable stress program (might be difficult with the alternating 6/4-3/2 bars...) Frank Chris Walshaw wrote: > > On Thu, Aug 24, 2000 at 11:34:41AM +0200, Frank Nordberg wrote: > > > > I dont want to sidetrack this discussion, but

Re: [abcusers] 3/2 hornpipe was: Modal confusion

2000-08-24 Thread Phil Taylor
Frank Nordberg wrote: >Does any BarFly users happen to have a suitable stress program (might be >difficult with the alternating 6/4-3/2 bars...) > BarFly's stress programming assumes that all bars are the same, so it can't be done without changing the barring of the tune. You can divide each ba

Re: [abcusers] Scan Tester's No 2

2000-08-24 Thread John Chambers
Bryan Creer rambles on with: | Of course nobody says "This is in F sharp, C sharp" rather than saying it's | in D. Actually, I have heard people say things like "Let's play it in two sharps" occasionally, but I'd agree that this isn't common phrasing in any crowd that I hang out with.

Re: [abcusers] Scan Tester's No 2

2000-08-24 Thread Phil Taylor
>| ... there is a very strong pub music scene around here >| (East Sussex, England) and I could and, sometimes do, go to several >sessions >| a week. Nobody EVER mentions modes. They just aren't part of our >thinking >| and I'm talking about some very good musicians. > >I'd wonder about th

Re: [abcusers] 3/2 hornpipe was: Modal confusion

2000-08-24 Thread Frank Nordberg
Phil Taylor wrote: > > Frank Nordberg wrote: > > >Does any BarFly users happen to have a suitable stress program (might be > >difficult with the alternating 6/4-3/2 bars...) > > > > BarFly's stress programming assumes that all bars are the same, so it > can't be done without changing the barr

Re: [abcusers] Scan Tester's No 2

2000-08-24 Thread John Chambers
Phil Taylor writes: | >I'd wonder about this claim. My guess is that you're one of those | >people who don't consider "major" and "minor" to be modes. But they | >are, of course. I hear these two mode names fairly often. Of course, | >people often say "major" for "mixolydian" and "mi

Re: [abcusers] Scan Tester's No 2

2000-08-24 Thread Wil Macaulay
Phil  "Phermat" Taylor wrote: [snip] >|  I was, of course talking a load of twaddle about Scan Tester's No 2 to >make a >|  point, although I still think there is more to it than simple G major. > >Probably the most interesting point is that, if you were  to  try  to >write  a  routine  that disc

[abcusers] Scan's No 2/Double Hornpipes

2000-08-24 Thread Bryancreer
> My guess is that you're one of those > people who don't consider "major" and "minor" to be modes. Well, I'm equivocal. I thought part of the criticism of classically trained players was that they lumped modes into the major/minor system and hence missed the character that the mode gave t

Re: [abcusers] 3/2 hornpipe was: Modal confusion

2000-08-24 Thread Bruce Olson
Chris Walshaw wrote: > > On Thu, Aug 24, 2000 at 11:34:41AM +0200, Frank Nordberg wrote: > > > > I dont want to sidetrack this discussion, but how on earth do you play a > > hornpipe in 3/2 time??? > > I know about hornpipes in 4/4 and 2/2 and 12/8, but this one is new for me. > > > 3/2 h

No Subject

2000-08-24 Thread Robert Bley-Vroman
David Barnert wrote: >I think having abc represent >information that is not in "the tadpoles" (except for header info >related to the tune's provenance) is asking for trouble. Since abc is a system for representing musical information in human-readable ascii, there is no particular reason for i

Re: [abcusers] Scan's No 2/Double Hornpipes

2000-08-24 Thread John Chambers
Bryan Creer comments further: | > My guess is that you're one of those | > people who don't consider "major" and "minor" to be modes. | | Well, I'm equivocal. I thought part of the criticism of classically trained | players was that they lumped modes into the major/minor system and he

[abcusers] Key/Mode algorithm

2000-08-24 Thread Phil Taylor
This is how the algorithm I'm testing at the moment works. First I collected together a file of about 350 tunes, taken mostly from Henrik Norbeck's site and from Jack Campin's mode tutorial (because those people are careful with their transcriptions and their key assignments are generally correct

Re: [abcusers] Re: Scan Tester's No 2

2000-08-24 Thread Jack Campin
[ oh well, I'm still here after all; also and more surprisingly, it looks like I'm back on Scots-L. Thanks, Toby. ] > The fact that [mode notation] conveys info not in the tadpoles is > true but unimportant. This is more a defect in standard staff notation. But one that's very often fixed by

Re: [abcusers] 3/2 hornpipe was: Modal confusion

2000-08-24 Thread Richard Robinson
On Thu, 24 Aug 2000, Bruce Olson wrote: > RE: In a history of the English stage I saw that a stage piece "Jack on > the Green" was attributed to a Mr. Birkhead. No music was given, or copy > of the tune referenced, but many copies of a tune of this title are > known (Jack on/in/of the Green). Can

Re: [abcusers] Scan's No 2/Double Hornpipes

2000-08-24 Thread Richard Robinson
On Thu, 24 Aug 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Double Hornpipes are, indeed, cracking tunes. They seem to be picking up in > popularity in sessions. As well as the 121212 and 123123 rhythms, there also > seems to be a 123412 rhythm with matching harmony. There don't seem to be > many record

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[abcusers] Re: Modal confusion

2000-08-24 Thread DavBarnert
I wrote: >I think having abc represent information that is not in "the >tadpoles" ... is asking for trouble. and Robert Bley-Vroman wrote: >Since abc is a system for representing musical information in >human-readable ascii, there is no particular reason for it to >restrict itself to the s