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The operational word in my above comment was entirely, and I had the supposed to be replacement for the CCPD in mind. On 2/26/14, abid...@gmail.com abid...@gmail.com wrote: You haven't read the Bill, Rajesh? It mandates a jail term of upto 5 years and a Viklang Adalat in every district of India. Sent on my BlackBerry® from Vodafone -Original Message- From: Asudani, Rajesh rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 12:33:17 To: abid...@gmail.comabid...@gmail.com; AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled.accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: RE: [AI] . Re:Fake certificates Many claim to be orthopedically disabled whose only one finger is marginally affected I have not many hundred percent orthopedically disabled occupying class i jobs or doing well. How to catch and punish fakers? What does bill say about it? -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of abid...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 11:38 AM To: Access India Subject: Re: [AI] . Re:Fake certificates We have to catch these people (who fake disability) and get them severely punished. Only that would deter people from faking disability. Javed Abidi 26.2.2014 Sent on my BlackBerry(r) from Vodafone -Original Message- From: Kanchan Pamnani kanchanpamn...@gmail.com Sender: AccessIndia accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 10:48:59 To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issuesconcerning the disabled.accessindia@accessindia.org.in Reply-To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled. accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] . Re:Fake certificates Hi Bhiwani, I just changed your subject line. 1. I have been told many times that on the basis of fake Disability certificates, many get jobs. The information that comes to me is very general and not specific. No one can point out who specifically a. Has a certificate of higher disability b. Has a certificate when he is not disabled 2. I know for sure that this is happening just like you know it but please give me one name and if possible address then someone can take it up. 3. In Mumbai there was a small scam where BEST drivers were found to be low visioned. This was found from an internal inquiry. None of the NGOS complained. It was reported in the press but no one not even the organisations who work for the visuallly impaired lodged their protest or commented about it. I think I posted this on this list. 4. There was another newspaper article which mentioned that in 2 districts in Maharashtra most of the government teachers did not want to get transferred so they used the excuse that they were either partially deaf or partially blind. This is again newspaper reporting. What happened next? 5. I have also read about students claiming to be orthopedically disabled in Gujrat and once caught were disbarred from exams. 6. there is a similar story from Karnataka. 7. One of the access india members from Delhi told me last year that while he was giving bank recruitment exams many at his centre were not disabled but had fake certificates. Did he call the NFB, NAB or AICB I dont know. 8. You are aware that we are fighting this omnibus litigation in Maharashtra in which we have been getting great orders. There is the issue of recruitments that took place in 2006. I can tell you surely that the government is not taking up that issue nor is any of the NGOs or their lawyers bringing it up though I have put it in Suhas Karnik's affidavit. Is it too late? What should we have done then? Is it more or less important than Nileema Surve's appointment and the giving of gadets etc which caught the attention of the court and diverted it from these issues. Now lets discuss how we can deal with these situations. Can we prevent them. Are we going to complain to the authorities. Whose responsibility is it ? Kanchan Pamnani Advocate Solicitor 9, Suleman Chambers, Battery Street, Colaba, Mumbai - 400 039. - Original Message - From: bhawani shankar verma bsvermad...@gmail.com To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issuesconcerning thedisabled. accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 7:18 AM Subject: Re: [AI] . Re: Moderator: RE: Kindly answer for thi please also add my one question. who will stopp those 40% certified blind people who are on the job under blind category and also having driving license? - Original Message - From: Aravind R aravind.andhrab...@gmail.com To: neelima24su...@gmail.com; AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerningthe disabled. accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 8:33 PM Subject: Re: [AI] . Re: Moderator: RE: Kindly answer for thi ok
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Oh, I see. When people can press for its passage without reading the latest draft, what if I commented and asked a question? Smile!! Anyway, do we have the draft referred to standing committee in public domain? or better still the one in the process of being promulgated as an ordinance? The things float in and out of draft bills like quantum particles, so thought it better to ask you, sir! If the latest draft is in public or private domain of some one, please oblige me by sending it And about faking, yes, IPC does take care of that. However, me thinks it is better to have it covered under special act such as RPD... -Original Message- From: abid...@gmail.com [mailto:abid...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 1:08 PM To: Asudani, Rajesh; Access India Subject: Re: [AI] . Re:Fake certificates You haven't read the Bill, Rajesh? It mandates a jail term of upto 5 years and a Viklang Adalat in every district of India. Sent on my BlackBerry(r) from Vodafone -Original Message- From: Asudani, Rajesh rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 12:33:17 To: abid...@gmail.comabid...@gmail.com; AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled.accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: RE: [AI] . Re:Fake certificates Many claim to be orthopedically disabled whose only one finger is marginally affected I have not many hundred percent orthopedically disabled occupying class i jobs or doing well. How to catch and punish fakers? What does bill say about it? -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of abid...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 11:38 AM To: Access India Subject: Re: [AI] . Re:Fake certificates We have to catch these people (who fake disability) and get them severely punished. Only that would deter people from faking disability. Javed Abidi 26.2.2014 Sent on my BlackBerry(r) from Vodafone -Original Message- From: Kanchan Pamnani kanchanpamn...@gmail.com Sender: AccessIndia accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 10:48:59 To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issuesconcerning the disabled.accessindia@accessindia.org.in Reply-To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled. accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] . Re:Fake certificates Hi Bhiwani, I just changed your subject line. 1. I have been told many times that on the basis of fake Disability certificates, many get jobs. The information that comes to me is very general and not specific. No one can point out who specifically a. Has a certificate of higher disability b. Has a certificate when he is not disabled 2. I know for sure that this is happening just like you know it but please give me one name and if possible address then someone can take it up. 3. In Mumbai there was a small scam where BEST drivers were found to be low visioned. This was found from an internal inquiry. None of the NGOS complained. It was reported in the press but no one not even the organisations who work for the visuallly impaired lodged their protest or commented about it. I think I posted this on this list. 4. There was another newspaper article which mentioned that in 2 districts in Maharashtra most of the government teachers did not want to get transferred so they used the excuse that they were either partially deaf or partially blind. This is again newspaper reporting. What happened next? 5. I have also read about students claiming to be orthopedically disabled in Gujrat and once caught were disbarred from exams. 6. there is a similar story from Karnataka. 7. One of the access india members from Delhi told me last year that while he was giving bank recruitment exams many at his centre were not disabled but had fake certificates. Did he call the NFB, NAB or AICB I dont know. 8. You are aware that we are fighting this omnibus litigation in Maharashtra in which we have been getting great orders. There is the issue of recruitments that took place in 2006. I can tell you surely that the government is not taking up that issue nor is any of the NGOs or their lawyers bringing it up though I have put it in Suhas Karnik's affidavit. Is it too late? What should we have done then? Is it more or less important than Nileema Surve's appointment and the giving of gadets etc which caught the attention of the court and diverted it from these issues. Now lets discuss how we can deal with these situations. Can we prevent them. Are we going to complain to the authorities. Whose responsibility is it ? Kanchan Pamnani Advocate Solicitor 9, Suleman Chambers, Battery Street, Colaba, Mumbai - 400 039. - Original Message - From: bhawani shankar verma bsvermad...@gmail.com To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issuesconcerning thedisabled. accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Wednesday
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Hi, Kanchan Ma'am, I have an idea to catch fake disability certificate. we can propose to government to demand a new certificate after getting job. in fact, there should be clear cut timeframe for producing the certificate from the aiims. along with this there should be some punishment. If government is not taking this type of steps then we or any organisation which are working in the disability sectore can go in court and bring binding directives to government of india and state as well. Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list..
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Hi Bhiwani, I just changed your subject line. 1. I have been told many times that on the basis of fake Disability certificates, many get jobs. The information that comes to me is very general and not specific. No one can point out who specifically a. Has a certificate of higher disability b. Has a certificate when he is not disabled 2. I know for sure that this is happening just like you know it but please give me one name and if possible address then someone can take it up. 3. In Mumbai there was a small scam where BEST drivers were found to be low visioned. This was found from an internal inquiry. None of the NGOS complained. It was reported in the press but no one not even the organisations who work for the visuallly impaired lodged their protest or commented about it. I think I posted this on this list. 4. There was another newspaper article which mentioned that in 2 districts in Maharashtra most of the government teachers did not want to get transferred so they used the excuse that they were either partially deaf or partially blind. This is again newspaper reporting. What happened next? 5. I have also read about students claiming to be orthopedically disabled in Gujrat and once caught were disbarred from exams. 6. there is a similar story from Karnataka. 7. One of the access india members from Delhi told me last year that while he was giving bank recruitment exams many at his centre were not disabled but had fake certificates. Did he call the NFB, NAB or AICB I dont know. 8. You are aware that we are fighting this omnibus litigation in Maharashtra in which we have been getting great orders. There is the issue of recruitments that took place in 2006. I can tell you surely that the government is not taking up that issue nor is any of the NGOs or their lawyers bringing it up though I have put it in Suhas Karnik's affidavit. Is it too late? What should we have done then? Is it more or less important than Nileema Surve's appointment and the giving of gadets etc which caught the attention of the court and diverted it from these issues. Now lets discuss how we can deal with these situations. Can we prevent them. Are we going to complain to the authorities. Whose responsibility is it ? Kanchan Pamnani Advocate Solicitor 9, Suleman Chambers, Battery Street, Colaba, Mumbai - 400 039. - Original Message - From: bhawani shankar verma bsvermad...@gmail.com To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issuesconcerning thedisabled. accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 7:18 AM Subject: Re: [AI] . Re: Moderator: RE: Kindly answer for thi please also add my one question. who will stopp those 40% certified blind people who are on the job under blind category and also having driving license? - Original Message - From: Aravind R aravind.andhrab...@gmail.com To: neelima24su...@gmail.com; AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerningthe disabled. accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 8:33 PM Subject: Re: [AI] . Re: Moderator: RE: Kindly answer for thi ok moderator sir and mr. abidi sir. lets discuss in constructive way as everyone wish. people who support this bill to be passed in present version please explain us the following. what will be the benifits just by recognising us as disabled people then denying jobs using the loopholes in this law? people will simply recognise us as disabled if we use sticks or hearing machines or wheel chairs or if we behave differently. certificates are for ensuring that nondisabled wont get the benifits we get due to disability. if this law gives loopholes to exempt us from reservation if any legal reason can be invented, then what we will gain by getting nation wide certificate and guardian? i'm ignorant and couldn't understand these. please explain me in what way, this bill is better and why some of you want very urgently to be passed? a good explanation will make this discussion to be much fruitful and healthy as everyone wish. On 2/25/14, Neelima Surve neelima.a...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Radha! I can understand your situation. A person who goes from the same only can understand the situation. But, there are some people who doesn't matter from which situation you go or not. If they get comfort, then its ok. Dear, our countless thanks are also insufficient for Avinash his team. also Poonam. Who spent their night without sleepless. My dear, Really, just because of you, we can sleep. Am I? Dear Poonam! hardly I can understand your highly decoreted language. Smile! Please! don't take it other wice. I know its my fault, but, I want to tell you, Avinash! don't worry! you will never get an answer from Moderator. In fact, he will take further step, which we all know what . , for that, we never ever care. Let me tell you one more thing, guest hai to khatirdaari to karnee hee pade gee naa? Samjho samjho yaar. Now, my question for
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We have to catch these people (who fake disability) and get them severely punished. Only that would deter people from faking disability. Javed Abidi 26.2.2014 Sent on my BlackBerry® from Vodafone -Original Message- From: Kanchan Pamnani kanchanpamn...@gmail.com Sender: AccessIndia accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 10:48:59 To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issuesconcerning the disabled.accessindia@accessindia.org.in Reply-To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled. accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] . Re:Fake certificates Hi Bhiwani, I just changed your subject line. 1. I have been told many times that on the basis of fake Disability certificates, many get jobs. The information that comes to me is very general and not specific. No one can point out who specifically a. Has a certificate of higher disability b. Has a certificate when he is not disabled 2. I know for sure that this is happening just like you know it but please give me one name and if possible address then someone can take it up. 3. In Mumbai there was a small scam where BEST drivers were found to be low visioned. This was found from an internal inquiry. None of the NGOS complained. It was reported in the press but no one not even the organisations who work for the visuallly impaired lodged their protest or commented about it. I think I posted this on this list. 4. There was another newspaper article which mentioned that in 2 districts in Maharashtra most of the government teachers did not want to get transferred so they used the excuse that they were either partially deaf or partially blind. This is again newspaper reporting. What happened next? 5. I have also read about students claiming to be orthopedically disabled in Gujrat and once caught were disbarred from exams. 6. there is a similar story from Karnataka. 7. One of the access india members from Delhi told me last year that while he was giving bank recruitment exams many at his centre were not disabled but had fake certificates. Did he call the NFB, NAB or AICB I dont know. 8. You are aware that we are fighting this omnibus litigation in Maharashtra in which we have been getting great orders. There is the issue of recruitments that took place in 2006. I can tell you surely that the government is not taking up that issue nor is any of the NGOs or their lawyers bringing it up though I have put it in Suhas Karnik's affidavit. Is it too late? What should we have done then? Is it more or less important than Nileema Surve's appointment and the giving of gadets etc which caught the attention of the court and diverted it from these issues. Now lets discuss how we can deal with these situations. Can we prevent them. Are we going to complain to the authorities. Whose responsibility is it ? Kanchan Pamnani Advocate Solicitor 9, Suleman Chambers, Battery Street, Colaba, Mumbai - 400 039. - Original Message - From: bhawani shankar verma bsvermad...@gmail.com To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issuesconcerning thedisabled. accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 7:18 AM Subject: Re: [AI] . Re: Moderator: RE: Kindly answer for thi please also add my one question. who will stopp those 40% certified blind people who are on the job under blind category and also having driving license? - Original Message - From: Aravind R aravind.andhrab...@gmail.com To: neelima24su...@gmail.com; AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerningthe disabled. accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 8:33 PM Subject: Re: [AI] . Re: Moderator: RE: Kindly answer for thi ok moderator sir and mr. abidi sir. lets discuss in constructive way as everyone wish. people who support this bill to be passed in present version please explain us the following. what will be the benifits just by recognising us as disabled people then denying jobs using the loopholes in this law? people will simply recognise us as disabled if we use sticks or hearing machines or wheel chairs or if we behave differently. certificates are for ensuring that nondisabled wont get the benifits we get due to disability. if this law gives loopholes to exempt us from reservation if any legal reason can be invented, then what we will gain by getting nation wide certificate and guardian? i'm ignorant and couldn't understand these. please explain me in what way, this bill is better and why some of you want very urgently to be passed? a good explanation will make this discussion to be much fruitful and healthy as everyone wish. On 2/25/14, Neelima Surve neelima.a...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Radha! I can understand your situation. A person who goes from the same only can understand the situation. But, there are some people who doesn't matter from which
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Many claim to be orthopedically disabled whose only one finger is marginally affected I have not many hundred percent orthopedically disabled occupying class i jobs or doing well. How to catch and punish fakers? What does bill say about it? -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of abid...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 11:38 AM To: Access India Subject: Re: [AI] . Re:Fake certificates We have to catch these people (who fake disability) and get them severely punished. Only that would deter people from faking disability. Javed Abidi 26.2.2014 Sent on my BlackBerry(r) from Vodafone -Original Message- From: Kanchan Pamnani kanchanpamn...@gmail.com Sender: AccessIndia accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 10:48:59 To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issuesconcerning the disabled.accessindia@accessindia.org.in Reply-To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled. accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] . Re:Fake certificates Hi Bhiwani, I just changed your subject line. 1. I have been told many times that on the basis of fake Disability certificates, many get jobs. The information that comes to me is very general and not specific. No one can point out who specifically a. Has a certificate of higher disability b. Has a certificate when he is not disabled 2. I know for sure that this is happening just like you know it but please give me one name and if possible address then someone can take it up. 3. In Mumbai there was a small scam where BEST drivers were found to be low visioned. This was found from an internal inquiry. None of the NGOS complained. It was reported in the press but no one not even the organisations who work for the visuallly impaired lodged their protest or commented about it. I think I posted this on this list. 4. There was another newspaper article which mentioned that in 2 districts in Maharashtra most of the government teachers did not want to get transferred so they used the excuse that they were either partially deaf or partially blind. This is again newspaper reporting. What happened next? 5. I have also read about students claiming to be orthopedically disabled in Gujrat and once caught were disbarred from exams. 6. there is a similar story from Karnataka. 7. One of the access india members from Delhi told me last year that while he was giving bank recruitment exams many at his centre were not disabled but had fake certificates. Did he call the NFB, NAB or AICB I dont know. 8. You are aware that we are fighting this omnibus litigation in Maharashtra in which we have been getting great orders. There is the issue of recruitments that took place in 2006. I can tell you surely that the government is not taking up that issue nor is any of the NGOs or their lawyers bringing it up though I have put it in Suhas Karnik's affidavit. Is it too late? What should we have done then? Is it more or less important than Nileema Surve's appointment and the giving of gadets etc which caught the attention of the court and diverted it from these issues. Now lets discuss how we can deal with these situations. Can we prevent them. Are we going to complain to the authorities. Whose responsibility is it ? Kanchan Pamnani Advocate Solicitor 9, Suleman Chambers, Battery Street, Colaba, Mumbai - 400 039. - Original Message - From: bhawani shankar verma bsvermad...@gmail.com To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issuesconcerning thedisabled. accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 7:18 AM Subject: Re: [AI] . Re: Moderator: RE: Kindly answer for thi please also add my one question. who will stopp those 40% certified blind people who are on the job under blind category and also having driving license? - Original Message - From: Aravind R aravind.andhrab...@gmail.com To: neelima24su...@gmail.com; AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerningthe disabled. accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 8:33 PM Subject: Re: [AI] . Re: Moderator: RE: Kindly answer for thi ok moderator sir and mr. abidi sir. lets discuss in constructive way as everyone wish. people who support this bill to be passed in present version please explain us the following. what will be the benifits just by recognising us as disabled people then denying jobs using the loopholes in this law? people will simply recognise us as disabled if we use sticks or hearing machines or wheel chairs or if we behave differently. certificates are for ensuring that nondisabled wont get the benifits we get due to disability. if this law gives loopholes to exempt us from reservation if any legal reason can be invented, then what we will gain by getting nation wide certificate and guardian? i'm ignorant and couldn't
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Should the RPD Bill speak of it or should it not be a fake certificate under the Indian Penal Code? Kanchan Pamnani Advocate Solicitor 9, Suleman Chambers, Battery Street, Colaba, Mumbai - 400 039. - Original Message - From: Asudani, Rajesh rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in To: abid...@gmail.com; AccessIndia: a list fordiscussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled. accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 12:33 PM Subject: Re: [AI] . Re:Fake certificates Many claim to be orthopedically disabled whose only one finger is marginally affected I have not many hundred percent orthopedically disabled occupying class i jobs or doing well. How to catch and punish fakers? What does bill say about it? -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of abid...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 11:38 AM To: Access India Subject: Re: [AI] . Re:Fake certificates We have to catch these people (who fake disability) and get them severely punished. Only that would deter people from faking disability. Javed Abidi 26.2.2014 Sent on my BlackBerry(r) from Vodafone -Original Message- From: Kanchan Pamnani kanchanpamn...@gmail.com Sender: AccessIndia accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 10:48:59 To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issuesconcerning the disabled.accessindia@accessindia.org.in Reply-To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled. accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] . Re:Fake certificates Hi Bhiwani, I just changed your subject line. 1. I have been told many times that on the basis of fake Disability certificates, many get jobs. The information that comes to me is very general and not specific. No one can point out who specifically a. Has a certificate of higher disability b. Has a certificate when he is not disabled 2. I know for sure that this is happening just like you know it but please give me one name and if possible address then someone can take it up. 3. In Mumbai there was a small scam where BEST drivers were found to be low visioned. This was found from an internal inquiry. None of the NGOS complained. It was reported in the press but no one not even the organisations who work for the visuallly impaired lodged their protest or commented about it. I think I posted this on this list. 4. There was another newspaper article which mentioned that in 2 districts in Maharashtra most of the government teachers did not want to get transferred so they used the excuse that they were either partially deaf or partially blind. This is again newspaper reporting. What happened next? 5. I have also read about students claiming to be orthopedically disabled in Gujrat and once caught were disbarred from exams. 6. there is a similar story from Karnataka. 7. One of the access india members from Delhi told me last year that while he was giving bank recruitment exams many at his centre were not disabled but had fake certificates. Did he call the NFB, NAB or AICB I dont know. 8. You are aware that we are fighting this omnibus litigation in Maharashtra in which we have been getting great orders. There is the issue of recruitments that took place in 2006. I can tell you surely that the government is not taking up that issue nor is any of the NGOs or their lawyers bringing it up though I have put it in Suhas Karnik's affidavit. Is it too late? What should we have done then? Is it more or less important than Nileema Surve's appointment and the giving of gadets etc which caught the attention of the court and diverted it from these issues. Now lets discuss how we can deal with these situations. Can we prevent them. Are we going to complain to the authorities. Whose responsibility is it ? Kanchan Pamnani Advocate Solicitor 9, Suleman Chambers, Battery Street, Colaba, Mumbai - 400 039. - Original Message - From: bhawani shankar verma bsvermad...@gmail.com To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issuesconcerning thedisabled. accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 7:18 AM Subject: Re: [AI] . Re: Moderator: RE: Kindly answer for thi please also add my one question. who will stopp those 40% certified blind people who are on the job under blind category and also having driving license? - Original Message - From: Aravind R aravind.andhrab...@gmail.com To: neelima24su...@gmail.com; AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerningthe disabled. accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 8:33 PM Subject: Re: [AI] . Re: Moderator: RE: Kindly answer for thi ok moderator sir and mr. abidi sir. lets discuss in constructive way as everyone wish. people who support this bill to be passed in present version please explain us the following. what will be the benifits just
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You haven't read the Bill, Rajesh? It mandates a jail term of upto 5 years and a Viklang Adalat in every district of India. Sent on my BlackBerry® from Vodafone -Original Message- From: Asudani, Rajesh rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 12:33:17 To: abid...@gmail.comabid...@gmail.com; AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled.accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: RE: [AI] . Re:Fake certificates Many claim to be orthopedically disabled whose only one finger is marginally affected I have not many hundred percent orthopedically disabled occupying class i jobs or doing well. How to catch and punish fakers? What does bill say about it? -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of abid...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 11:38 AM To: Access India Subject: Re: [AI] . Re:Fake certificates We have to catch these people (who fake disability) and get them severely punished. Only that would deter people from faking disability. Javed Abidi 26.2.2014 Sent on my BlackBerry(r) from Vodafone -Original Message- From: Kanchan Pamnani kanchanpamn...@gmail.com Sender: AccessIndia accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 10:48:59 To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issuesconcerning the disabled.accessindia@accessindia.org.in Reply-To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled. accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] . Re:Fake certificates Hi Bhiwani, I just changed your subject line. 1. I have been told many times that on the basis of fake Disability certificates, many get jobs. The information that comes to me is very general and not specific. No one can point out who specifically a. Has a certificate of higher disability b. Has a certificate when he is not disabled 2. I know for sure that this is happening just like you know it but please give me one name and if possible address then someone can take it up. 3. In Mumbai there was a small scam where BEST drivers were found to be low visioned. This was found from an internal inquiry. None of the NGOS complained. It was reported in the press but no one not even the organisations who work for the visuallly impaired lodged their protest or commented about it. I think I posted this on this list. 4. There was another newspaper article which mentioned that in 2 districts in Maharashtra most of the government teachers did not want to get transferred so they used the excuse that they were either partially deaf or partially blind. This is again newspaper reporting. What happened next? 5. I have also read about students claiming to be orthopedically disabled in Gujrat and once caught were disbarred from exams. 6. there is a similar story from Karnataka. 7. One of the access india members from Delhi told me last year that while he was giving bank recruitment exams many at his centre were not disabled but had fake certificates. Did he call the NFB, NAB or AICB I dont know. 8. You are aware that we are fighting this omnibus litigation in Maharashtra in which we have been getting great orders. There is the issue of recruitments that took place in 2006. I can tell you surely that the government is not taking up that issue nor is any of the NGOs or their lawyers bringing it up though I have put it in Suhas Karnik's affidavit. Is it too late? What should we have done then? Is it more or less important than Nileema Surve's appointment and the giving of gadets etc which caught the attention of the court and diverted it from these issues. Now lets discuss how we can deal with these situations. Can we prevent them. Are we going to complain to the authorities. Whose responsibility is it ? Kanchan Pamnani Advocate Solicitor 9, Suleman Chambers, Battery Street, Colaba, Mumbai - 400 039. - Original Message - From: bhawani shankar verma bsvermad...@gmail.com To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issuesconcerning thedisabled. accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 7:18 AM Subject: Re: [AI] . Re: Moderator: RE: Kindly answer for thi please also add my one question. who will stopp those 40% certified blind people who are on the job under blind category and also having driving license? - Original Message - From: Aravind R aravind.andhrab...@gmail.com To: neelima24su...@gmail.com; AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerningthe disabled. accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 8:33 PM Subject: Re: [AI] . Re: Moderator: RE: Kindly answer for thi ok moderator sir and mr. abidi sir. lets discuss in constructive way as everyone wish. people who support this bill to be passed in present version please explain us the following. what will be the benifits just by recognising us as disabled people
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Faking is faking, be it faking disability or faking to be an IAS officer or a police officer or a tax man! It all falls under Section 420. Perhaps a few other sections too. Kanchan can throw better light. Sent on my BlackBerry® from Vodafone -Original Message- From: Kanchan Pamnani kanchanpamn...@gmail.com Sender: AccessIndia accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 13:03:50 To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issuesconcerning the disabled.accessindia@accessindia.org.in Reply-To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled. accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] . Re:Fake certificates Should the RPD Bill speak of it or should it not be a fake certificate under the Indian Penal Code? Kanchan Pamnani Advocate Solicitor 9, Suleman Chambers, Battery Street, Colaba, Mumbai - 400 039. - Original Message - From: Asudani, Rajesh rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in To: abid...@gmail.com; AccessIndia: a list fordiscussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled. accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 12:33 PM Subject: Re: [AI] . Re:Fake certificates Many claim to be orthopedically disabled whose only one finger is marginally affected I have not many hundred percent orthopedically disabled occupying class i jobs or doing well. How to catch and punish fakers? What does bill say about it? -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of abid...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 11:38 AM To: Access India Subject: Re: [AI] . Re:Fake certificates We have to catch these people (who fake disability) and get them severely punished. Only that would deter people from faking disability. Javed Abidi 26.2.2014 Sent on my BlackBerry(r) from Vodafone -Original Message- From: Kanchan Pamnani kanchanpamn...@gmail.com Sender: AccessIndia accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 10:48:59 To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issuesconcerning the disabled.accessindia@accessindia.org.in Reply-To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled. accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] . Re:Fake certificates Hi Bhiwani, I just changed your subject line. 1. I have been told many times that on the basis of fake Disability certificates, many get jobs. The information that comes to me is very general and not specific. No one can point out who specifically a. Has a certificate of higher disability b. Has a certificate when he is not disabled 2. I know for sure that this is happening just like you know it but please give me one name and if possible address then someone can take it up. 3. In Mumbai there was a small scam where BEST drivers were found to be low visioned. This was found from an internal inquiry. None of the NGOS complained. It was reported in the press but no one not even the organisations who work for the visuallly impaired lodged their protest or commented about it. I think I posted this on this list. 4. There was another newspaper article which mentioned that in 2 districts in Maharashtra most of the government teachers did not want to get transferred so they used the excuse that they were either partially deaf or partially blind. This is again newspaper reporting. What happened next? 5. I have also read about students claiming to be orthopedically disabled in Gujrat and once caught were disbarred from exams. 6. there is a similar story from Karnataka. 7. One of the access india members from Delhi told me last year that while he was giving bank recruitment exams many at his centre were not disabled but had fake certificates. Did he call the NFB, NAB or AICB I dont know. 8. You are aware that we are fighting this omnibus litigation in Maharashtra in which we have been getting great orders. There is the issue of recruitments that took place in 2006. I can tell you surely that the government is not taking up that issue nor is any of the NGOs or their lawyers bringing it up though I have put it in Suhas Karnik's affidavit. Is it too late? What should we have done then? Is it more or less important than Nileema Surve's appointment and the giving of gadets etc which caught the attention of the court and diverted it from these issues. Now lets discuss how we can deal with these situations. Can we prevent them. Are we going to complain to the authorities. Whose responsibility is it ? Kanchan Pamnani Advocate Solicitor 9, Suleman Chambers, Battery Street, Colaba, Mumbai - 400 039. - Original Message - From: bhawani shankar verma bsvermad...@gmail.com To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issuesconcerning thedisabled. accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Wednesday
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Faking a certificate is a crime, and as such a more appropriate place is the crpc I think. Anyways the RPD bill is not even entirely clear about the punishment if any, due to non-compliance of its empowering provisions. Let them fix that first. On 2/26/14, Kanchan Pamnani kanchanpamn...@gmail.com wrote: Should the RPD Bill speak of it or should it not be a fake certificate under the Indian Penal Code? Kanchan Pamnani Advocate Solicitor 9, Suleman Chambers, Battery Street, Colaba, Mumbai - 400 039. - Original Message - From: Asudani, Rajesh rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in To: abid...@gmail.com; AccessIndia: a list fordiscussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled. accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 12:33 PM Subject: Re: [AI] . Re:Fake certificates Many claim to be orthopedically disabled whose only one finger is marginally affected I have not many hundred percent orthopedically disabled occupying class i jobs or doing well. How to catch and punish fakers? What does bill say about it? -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of abid...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 11:38 AM To: Access India Subject: Re: [AI] . Re:Fake certificates We have to catch these people (who fake disability) and get them severely punished. Only that would deter people from faking disability. Javed Abidi 26.2.2014 Sent on my BlackBerry(r) from Vodafone -Original Message- From: Kanchan Pamnani kanchanpamn...@gmail.com Sender: AccessIndia accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 10:48:59 To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issuesconcerning the disabled.accessindia@accessindia.org.in Reply-To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled. accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] . Re:Fake certificates Hi Bhiwani, I just changed your subject line. 1. I have been told many times that on the basis of fake Disability certificates, many get jobs. The information that comes to me is very general and not specific. No one can point out who specifically a. Has a certificate of higher disability b. Has a certificate when he is not disabled 2. I know for sure that this is happening just like you know it but please give me one name and if possible address then someone can take it up. 3. In Mumbai there was a small scam where BEST drivers were found to be low visioned. This was found from an internal inquiry. None of the NGOS complained. It was reported in the press but no one not even the organisations who work for the visuallly impaired lodged their protest or commented about it. I think I posted this on this list. 4. There was another newspaper article which mentioned that in 2 districts in Maharashtra most of the government teachers did not want to get transferred so they used the excuse that they were either partially deaf or partially blind. This is again newspaper reporting. What happened next? 5. I have also read about students claiming to be orthopedically disabled in Gujrat and once caught were disbarred from exams. 6. there is a similar story from Karnataka. 7. One of the access india members from Delhi told me last year that while he was giving bank recruitment exams many at his centre were not disabled but had fake certificates. Did he call the NFB, NAB or AICB I dont know. 8. You are aware that we are fighting this omnibus litigation in Maharashtra in which we have been getting great orders. There is the issue of recruitments that took place in 2006. I can tell you surely that the government is not taking up that issue nor is any of the NGOs or their lawyers bringing it up though I have put it in Suhas Karnik's affidavit. Is it too late? What should we have done then? Is it more or less important than Nileema Surve's appointment and the giving of gadets etc which caught the attention of the court and diverted it from these issues. Now lets discuss how we can deal with these situations. Can we prevent them. Are we going to complain to the authorities. Whose responsibility is it ? Kanchan Pamnani Advocate Solicitor 9, Suleman Chambers, Battery Street, Colaba, Mumbai - 400 039. - Original Message - From: bhawani shankar verma bsvermad...@gmail.com To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issuesconcerning thedisabled. accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 7:18 AM Subject: Re: [AI] . Re: Moderator: RE: Kindly answer for thi please also add my one question. who will stopp those 40% certified blind people who are on the job under blind category and also having driving license? - Original Message - From: Aravind R aravind.andhrab...@gmail.com To: neelima24su...@gmail.com; AccessIndia: a list for discussing
