Re: [AI] I can see but cannot drive, what good is synthetic vision?
Hi Pranav, You wrote: ... You can then do pattern recognition in your head and determine what you are looking at. The electrical signals that your brain gets when hearing these sounds are the same as those it gets when receiving light from organic eyes. > Wow, this sounds fantastically interesting! I wonder if a person born totally blind can benefit from such a concept though. If a person could see before, then they can be trained to associate the sound frequencies with the visual ones they have experienced in the past, and perhaps this way they can develop substitution of sight by sound. But what do you think about those of us like myself, who has never seen, not even colours, not even light and dark, from birth? Perhaps the best we can hope for with this concept is to make our own meaning association, purely based on things we already know in our world such as the crude association of objects by touch. I would think then we would have to learn how to illiminate all the other visual stimulae represented by sound, that we cannot relate to because they don't make sense in our world, such as colours and 3-D imaging Etc, which we only know as concepts rather than by conscious experience (in Sanskrit we refer to the difference between Jnana (theoretical knowledge) and vijnana (realization by experience). Interesting discussion, thanks for bringing this up. Looking forward to more of the same. Kind regards, Yamuna Jivana Dasa -Original Message- From: Pranav Lal Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2023 11:17 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: RE: [AI] I can see but cannot drive, what good is synthetic vision? Anirudh, all, I was talking about the vOICe. It is a program that converts live images to sound. You can then do pattern recognition in your head and determine what you are looking at. The electrical signals that your brain gets when hearing these sounds are the same as those it gets when receiving light from organic eyes. The vOICe works on the principal of sensory substitution where it replaces sound with vision. There is no artificial intelligence involved. Programs such as envision, supersense etc., use artificial intelligence to do things like object recognition. You should think of artificial intelligence as a way for a computer to solve a problem and not as the adding of human like intelligence. Pranav -Original Message- From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in On Behalf Of anirudh rao Sent: Friday, January 13, 2023 3:57 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] I can see but cannot drive, what good is synthetic vision? yes. this is the article I was talking about. found it. thanks. SAS is another addition which I did not know. On 6/1/22, Pranav Lal wrote: Hi Asif, In that case, the vOICe can be one of the tools you use. The only way to determine this is to try. Pranav -Original Message- From: 'Mohammed Asif Iqbal (IN)' via AccessIndia Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2022 1:48 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] I can see but cannot drive, what good is synthetic vision? Hi Pranav, I genrally run on road in and around my neighbourhood. It is flat surface largely. Thanks and regards. Asif On 5/31/22, Pranav Lal wrote: Hi Asif, Yes, the vOICe can certainly be one tool that you can use to run long distance independently. What kind of terrain are you running on? We will need to determine what kind of color contrast you have in your environment so that we can identify visual landmarks. Get the app on to your phone and try. There is a web version that works on iPhones as well. Pranav -- Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "AccessIndia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to accessindia+unsubscr...@accessindia.org.in. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/a/accessindia.org.in/d/msgid/accessindia/01b901d87480%245af485c0%2410dd9140%24%40gmail.com. -- Mohammed Asif Iqbal PwC | Associate Director | Consulting Direct: +91 (0) 33 4404 3111 | Mobile: +91 (0) 98 3005 9830 Email: mohammed.asif.iq...@pwc.com PricewaterhouseCoopers Private limited 56 & 57, Block DN Sector V, Salt Lake Kolkata 700091 http://www.pwc.com/in -- The information transmitted, including any attachments, is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon,
RE: [AI] I can see but cannot drive, what good is synthetic vision?
Anirudh, all, I was talking about the vOICe. It is a program that converts live images to sound. You can then do pattern recognition in your head and determine what you are looking at. The electrical signals that your brain gets when hearing these sounds are the same as those it gets when receiving light from organic eyes. The vOICe works on the principal of sensory substitution where it replaces sound with vision. There is no artificial intelligence involved. Programs such as envision, supersense etc., use artificial intelligence to do things like object recognition. You should think of artificial intelligence as a way for a computer to solve a problem and not as the adding of human like intelligence. Pranav -Original Message- From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in On Behalf Of anirudh rao Sent: Friday, January 13, 2023 3:57 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] I can see but cannot drive, what good is synthetic vision? yes. this is the article I was talking about. found it. thanks. SAS is another addition which I did not know. On 6/1/22, Pranav Lal wrote: > Hi Asif, > > In that case, the vOICe can be one of the tools you use. The only way > to determine this is to try. > > Pranav > > -Original Message- > From: 'Mohammed Asif Iqbal (IN)' via AccessIndia > > Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2022 1:48 PM > To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in > Subject: Re: [AI] I can see but cannot drive, what good is synthetic > vision? > > Hi Pranav, > I genrally run on road in and around my neighbourhood. > It is flat surface largely. > Thanks and regards. > Asif > > > On 5/31/22, Pranav Lal wrote: >> Hi Asif, >> >> Yes, the vOICe can certainly be one tool that you can use to run long >> distance independently. What kind of terrain are you running on? We >> will need to determine what kind of color contrast you have in your >> environment so that we can identify visual landmarks. >> >> Get the app on to your phone and try. There is a web version that >> works on iPhones as well. >> >> Pranav >> >> -- >> Disclaimer: >> 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking >> of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its >> veracity; >> >> 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the >> mails sent through this mailing list.. >> >> >> Search for old postings at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "AccessIndia" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >> send an email to accessindia+unsubscr...@accessindia.org.in. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/a/accessindia.org.in/d/msgid/accessindia/01b901d87480%245af485c0%2410dd9140%24%40gmail.com. >> > > > -- > Mohammed Asif Iqbal > PwC | Associate Director | Consulting > Direct: +91 (0) 33 4404 3111 | Mobile: +91 (0) 98 3005 9830 > Email: mohammed.asif.iq...@pwc.com > PricewaterhouseCoopers Private limited > 56 & 57, Block DN > Sector V, Salt Lake > Kolkata 700091 > http://www.pwc.com/in > > -- > The information transmitted, including any attachments, is intended > only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, > dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance > upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended > recipient is prohibited, and all liability arising therefrom is > disclaimed. If you received this in error, please contact the sender > and delete the material from any computer. Please note if the e-mail > address include "TPR", the sender of this e-mail is a third party > resource, and not an employee, who has been specifically authorized to > correspond routine matters related to the project only. For any > clarification with regard to any non-routine or engagement specific > deliverables please contact the assigned project manager/ project partner. > > -- > Disclaimer: > 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking > of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its > veracity; > > 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the > mails sent through this mailing list.. > > > Search for old postings at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Goog
Re: [AI] I can see but cannot drive, what good is synthetic vision?
yes. this is the article I was talking about. found it. thanks. SAS is another addition which I did not know. On 6/1/22, Pranav Lal wrote: > Hi Asif, > > In that case, the vOICe can be one of the tools you use. The only way to > determine this is to try. > > Pranav > > -Original Message- > From: 'Mohammed Asif Iqbal (IN)' via AccessIndia > > Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2022 1:48 PM > To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in > Subject: Re: [AI] I can see but cannot drive, what good is synthetic > vision? > > Hi Pranav, > I genrally run on road in and around my neighbourhood. > It is flat surface largely. > Thanks and regards. > Asif > > > On 5/31/22, Pranav Lal wrote: >> Hi Asif, >> >> Yes, the vOICe can certainly be one tool that you can use to run long >> distance independently. What kind of terrain are you running on? We >> will need to determine what kind of color contrast you have in your >> environment so that we can identify visual landmarks. >> >> Get the app on to your phone and try. There is a web version that >> works on iPhones as well. >> >> Pranav >> >> -- >> Disclaimer: >> 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking >> of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its >> veracity; >> >> 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the >> mails sent through this mailing list.. >> >> >> Search for old postings at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "AccessIndia" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >> an email to accessindia+unsubscr...@accessindia.org.in. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/a/accessindia.org.in/d/msgid/accessindia/01b901d87480%245af485c0%2410dd9140%24%40gmail.com. >> > > > -- > Mohammed Asif Iqbal > PwC | Associate Director | Consulting > Direct: +91 (0) 33 4404 3111 | Mobile: +91 (0) 98 3005 9830 > Email: mohammed.asif.iq...@pwc.com > PricewaterhouseCoopers Private limited > 56 & 57, Block DN > Sector V, Salt Lake > Kolkata 700091 > http://www.pwc.com/in > > -- > The information transmitted, including any attachments, is intended only for > the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential > and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or > other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by > persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited, and all > liability arising therefrom is disclaimed. If you received this in error, > please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Please > note if the e-mail address include "TPR", the sender of this e-mail is a > third party resource, and not an employee, who has been specifically > authorized to correspond routine matters related to the project only. For > any clarification with regard to any non-routine or engagement specific > deliverables please contact the assigned project manager/ project partner. > > -- > Disclaimer: > 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the > person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; > > 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails > sent through this mailing list.. > > > Search for old postings at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "AccessIndia" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to accessindia+unsubscr...@accessindia.org.in. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/a/accessindia.org.in/d/msgid/accessindia/CAH-N%3DwxVxr85ruTqRC4a7Pi%2BZU9JNLmSU6Ty0%2BF4Nh7OQG4nfQ%40mail.gmail.com. > > -- > Disclaimer: > 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the > person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; > > 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails > sent through this mailing list.. > > > Search for old postings at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "AccessIndia" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to a
RE: [AI] I can see but cannot drive, what good is synthetic vision?
Hi Asif, In that case, the vOICe can be one of the tools you use. The only way to determine this is to try. Pranav -Original Message- From: 'Mohammed Asif Iqbal (IN)' via AccessIndia Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2022 1:48 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] I can see but cannot drive, what good is synthetic vision? Hi Pranav, I genrally run on road in and around my neighbourhood. It is flat surface largely. Thanks and regards. Asif On 5/31/22, Pranav Lal wrote: > Hi Asif, > > Yes, the vOICe can certainly be one tool that you can use to run long > distance independently. What kind of terrain are you running on? We > will need to determine what kind of color contrast you have in your > environment so that we can identify visual landmarks. > > Get the app on to your phone and try. There is a web version that > works on iPhones as well. > > Pranav > > -- > Disclaimer: > 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking > of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its > veracity; > > 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the > mails sent through this mailing list.. > > > Search for old postings at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "AccessIndia" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to accessindia+unsubscr...@accessindia.org.in. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/a/accessindia.org.in/d/msgid/accessindia/01b901d87480%245af485c0%2410dd9140%24%40gmail.com. > -- Mohammed Asif Iqbal PwC | Associate Director | Consulting Direct: +91 (0) 33 4404 3111 | Mobile: +91 (0) 98 3005 9830 Email: mohammed.asif.iq...@pwc.com PricewaterhouseCoopers Private limited 56 & 57, Block DN Sector V, Salt Lake Kolkata 700091 http://www.pwc.com/in -- The information transmitted, including any attachments, is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited, and all liability arising therefrom is disclaimed. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Please note if the e-mail address include "TPR", the sender of this e-mail is a third party resource, and not an employee, who has been specifically authorized to correspond routine matters related to the project only. For any clarification with regard to any non-routine or engagement specific deliverables please contact the assigned project manager/ project partner. -- Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "AccessIndia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to accessindia+unsubscr...@accessindia.org.in. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/a/accessindia.org.in/d/msgid/accessindia/CAH-N%3DwxVxr85ruTqRC4a7Pi%2BZU9JNLmSU6Ty0%2BF4Nh7OQG4nfQ%40mail.gmail.com. -- Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "AccessIndia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to accessindia+unsubscr...@accessindia.org.in. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/a/accessindia.org.in/d/msgid/accessindia/005401d8754a%24d2ad44b0%247807ce10%24%40gmail.com.
RE: [AI] I can see but cannot drive, what good is synthetic vision?
Hi Anirudh, Yes, but it is a tedious task and you will have to use magnification. It is much easier to make out enlarged letters. If you want to try, first use the vOICe for windows and read some characters on your computer screen. There is a way to sonify the current window which should help. Get the font size to 72 and then you may be able to read. Pranav -Original Message- From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in On Behalf Of anirudh rao Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2022 12:54 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] I can see but cannot drive, what good is synthetic vision? hi Pranav, can we read the books with normal alphabets with this? this question is because, the normal alphabets are nothing but shapes and it seems that this technology helps to determine the shapes as well. I don't know if this question is pertinent but, anyway... On 5/31/22, Rahul Bajaj wrote: > This is very fascinating. I had never heard of it before. I will get > the web version on my iPhone. And try it out. > > Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef> > > From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in > on behalf of Pranav Lal > Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2022 12:52:40 AM > To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in > Subject: RE: [AI] I can see but cannot drive, what good is synthetic > vision? > > Hi Asif, > > Yes, the vOICe can certainly be one tool that you can use to run long > distance independently. What kind of terrain are you running on? We > will need to determine what kind of color contrast you have in your > environment so that we can identify visual landmarks. > > Get the app on to your phone and try. There is a web version that > works on iPhones as well. > > Pranav > > -- > Disclaimer: > 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking > of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its > veracity; > > 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the > mails sent through this mailing list.. > > > Search for old postings at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "AccessIndia" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to accessindia+unsubscr...@accessindia.org.in. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/a/accessindia.org.in/d/msgid/accessindia/01b901d87480%245af485c0%2410dd9140%24%40gmail.com. > > -- > Disclaimer: > 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking > of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its > veracity; > > 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the > mails sent through this mailing list.. > > > Search for old postings at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "AccessIndia" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to accessindia+unsubscr...@accessindia.org.in. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/a/accessindia.org.in/d/msgid/accessindia/PS2P216MB11554AA63258D41A384DC2E5A6DC9%40PS2P216MB1155.KORP216.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM. > -- "every human is disabled because, none has got the wings to fly". Anirudh Rao your intellectual comrade. call/whatsapp me at 8277012082 join on Skype: anirudhrao3 if you just wish to be a facebook friend: click https://m.facebook.com/anirudh.rao.7731/about?lst=15148125152%3A15148125152%3A1563341090=17 and send a request. Thank you Anirudh Rao. -- Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "AccessIndia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to accessindia+unsubscr...@accessindia.org.in. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/a/accessindia.org.in/d/msgid/accessindia/CAF6avGiQU6ySn7Yhs0xK0fLS22v3o9jk8cZOcDJNSXnknZyxkQ%40mail.gmail.com. -- Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing
Re: [AI] I can see but cannot drive, what good is synthetic vision?
Hi Pranav, I genrally run on road in and around my neighbourhood. It is flat surface largely. Thanks and regards. Asif On 5/31/22, Pranav Lal wrote: > Hi Asif, > > Yes, the vOICe can certainly be one tool that you can use to run long > distance independently. What kind of terrain are you running on? We will > need to determine what kind of color contrast you have in your environment > so that we can identify visual landmarks. > > Get the app on to your phone and try. There is a web version that works on > iPhones as well. > > Pranav > > -- > Disclaimer: > 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the > person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; > > 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails > sent through this mailing list.. > > > Search for old postings at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "AccessIndia" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to accessindia+unsubscr...@accessindia.org.in. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/a/accessindia.org.in/d/msgid/accessindia/01b901d87480%245af485c0%2410dd9140%24%40gmail.com. > -- Mohammed Asif Iqbal PwC | Associate Director | Consulting Direct: +91 (0) 33 4404 3111 | Mobile: +91 (0) 98 3005 9830 Email: mohammed.asif.iq...@pwc.com PricewaterhouseCoopers Private limited 56 & 57, Block DN Sector V, Salt Lake Kolkata 700091 http://www.pwc.com/in -- The information transmitted, including any attachments, is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited, and all liability arising therefrom is disclaimed. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Please note if the e-mail address include "TPR", the sender of this e-mail is a third party resource, and not an employee, who has been specifically authorized to correspond routine matters related to the project only. For any clarification with regard to any non-routine or engagement specific deliverables please contact the assigned project manager/ project partner. -- Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "AccessIndia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to accessindia+unsubscr...@accessindia.org.in. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/a/accessindia.org.in/d/msgid/accessindia/CAH-N%3DwxVxr85ruTqRC4a7Pi%2BZU9JNLmSU6Ty0%2BF4Nh7OQG4nfQ%40mail.gmail.com.
Re: [AI] I can see but cannot drive, what good is synthetic vision?
hi Pranav, can we read the books with normal alphabets with this? this question is because, the normal alphabets are nothing but shapes and it seems that this technology helps to determine the shapes as well. I don't know if this question is pertinent but, anyway... On 5/31/22, Rahul Bajaj wrote: > This is very fascinating. I had never heard of it before. I will get the web > version on my iPhone. And try it out. > > Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef> > > From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in on > behalf of Pranav Lal > Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2022 12:52:40 AM > To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in > Subject: RE: [AI] I can see but cannot drive, what good is synthetic > vision? > > Hi Asif, > > Yes, the vOICe can certainly be one tool that you can use to run long > distance independently. What kind of terrain are you running on? We will > need to determine what kind of color contrast you have in your environment > so that we can identify visual landmarks. > > Get the app on to your phone and try. There is a web version that works on > iPhones as well. > > Pranav > > -- > Disclaimer: > 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the > person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; > > 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails > sent through this mailing list.. > > > Search for old postings at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "AccessIndia" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to accessindia+unsubscr...@accessindia.org.in. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/a/accessindia.org.in/d/msgid/accessindia/01b901d87480%245af485c0%2410dd9140%24%40gmail.com. > > -- > Disclaimer: > 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the > person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; > > 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails > sent through this mailing list.. > > > Search for old postings at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "AccessIndia" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to accessindia+unsubscr...@accessindia.org.in. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/a/accessindia.org.in/d/msgid/accessindia/PS2P216MB11554AA63258D41A384DC2E5A6DC9%40PS2P216MB1155.KORP216.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM. > -- "every human is disabled because, none has got the wings to fly". Anirudh Rao your intellectual comrade. call/whatsapp me at 8277012082 join on Skype: anirudhrao3 if you just wish to be a facebook friend: click https://m.facebook.com/anirudh.rao.7731/about?lst=15148125152%3A15148125152%3A1563341090=17 and send a request. Thank you Anirudh Rao. -- Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "AccessIndia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to accessindia+unsubscr...@accessindia.org.in. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/a/accessindia.org.in/d/msgid/accessindia/CAF6avGiQU6ySn7Yhs0xK0fLS22v3o9jk8cZOcDJNSXnknZyxkQ%40mail.gmail.com.
Re: [AI] I can see but cannot drive, what good is synthetic vision?
This is very fascinating. I had never heard of it before. I will get the web version on my iPhone. And try it out. Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef> From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in on behalf of Pranav Lal Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2022 12:52:40 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: RE: [AI] I can see but cannot drive, what good is synthetic vision? Hi Asif, Yes, the vOICe can certainly be one tool that you can use to run long distance independently. What kind of terrain are you running on? We will need to determine what kind of color contrast you have in your environment so that we can identify visual landmarks. Get the app on to your phone and try. There is a web version that works on iPhones as well. Pranav -- Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "AccessIndia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to accessindia+unsubscr...@accessindia.org.in. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/a/accessindia.org.in/d/msgid/accessindia/01b901d87480%245af485c0%2410dd9140%24%40gmail.com. -- Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "AccessIndia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to accessindia+unsubscr...@accessindia.org.in. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/a/accessindia.org.in/d/msgid/accessindia/PS2P216MB11554AA63258D41A384DC2E5A6DC9%40PS2P216MB1155.KORP216.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM.
RE: [AI] I can see but cannot drive, what good is synthetic vision?
Hi Asif, Yes, the vOICe can certainly be one tool that you can use to run long distance independently. What kind of terrain are you running on? We will need to determine what kind of color contrast you have in your environment so that we can identify visual landmarks. Get the app on to your phone and try. There is a web version that works on iPhones as well. Pranav -- Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "AccessIndia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to accessindia+unsubscr...@accessindia.org.in. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/a/accessindia.org.in/d/msgid/accessindia/01b901d87480%245af485c0%2410dd9140%24%40gmail.com.
Re: [AI] I can see but cannot drive, what good is synthetic vision?
Pranav, Was wondering if it would help me in running long distance independently as a blind runner relying only on voice guidance. Thanks and hope to hear from you soon. Asif On 5/29/22, Harish Kotian wrote: > Hi Kanchan > > One make use of headsets which can be used under water. Someone on > either side of the pool can keep giving instructions to help you > maintain direction within the lane. Kanchan Panday, the blind swimmer > maintains her lane without any such props as they are not permitted in > competition. > > Harish > > > On 29/05/2022 06:56, Pranav Lal wrote: >> Hi Kanchan, >> >> How are lanes distinguished visually? It could tell you that but you will >> need a waterproof setup. >> >> Pranav >> >> -Original Message- >> From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in On >> Behalf Of Kanchan Pamnani >> Sent: Friday, May 27, 2022 6:39 PM >> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in >> Subject: RE: [AI] I can see but cannot drive, what good is synthetic >> vision? >> >> Pranav, >> Will it tell me that I am going out of my lane while swimming? >> I go to a club that is very particular that swimmers stay in their lanes >> and do not even for an inch go into others space. >> K >> -Original Message- >> From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in >> [mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of S Solomon >> Karuppannan >> Sent: 27 May 2022 17:29 >> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in >> Subject: [AI] I can see but cannot drive, what good is synthetic vision? >> >> I am not afraid of copyright infringement for it was written by someone we >> know! > > -- > Disclaimer: > 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the > person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; > > 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails > sent through this mailing list.. > > > Search for old postings at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "AccessIndia" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to accessindia+unsubscr...@accessindia.org.in. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/a/accessindia.org.in/d/msgid/accessindia/MAZPR01MB716846E3479373A834BD154ED2DA9%40MAZPR01MB7168.INDPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM. > -- Mohammed Asif Iqbal PwC | Associate Director | Consulting Direct: +91 (0) 33 4404 3111 | Mobile: +91 (0) 98 3005 9830 Email: mohammed.asif.iq...@pwc.com PricewaterhouseCoopers Private limited 56 & 57, Block DN Sector V, Salt Lake Kolkata 700091 http://www.pwc.com/in -- The information transmitted, including any attachments, is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited, and all liability arising therefrom is disclaimed. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Please note if the e-mail address include "TPR", the sender of this e-mail is a third party resource, and not an employee, who has been specifically authorized to correspond routine matters related to the project only. For any clarification with regard to any non-routine or engagement specific deliverables please contact the assigned project manager/ project partner. -- Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "AccessIndia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to accessindia+unsubscr...@accessindia.org.in. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/a/accessindia.org.in/d/msgid/accessindia/CAH-N%3DwxhBEeb28-LQiQJK1OpQnwHif8vE1zKfzAk7eU_HVpQcA%40mail.gmail.com.
Re: [AI] I can see but cannot drive, what good is synthetic vision?
Hi Kanchan One make use of headsets which can be used under water. Someone on either side of the pool can keep giving instructions to help you maintain direction within the lane. Kanchan Panday, the blind swimmer maintains her lane without any such props as they are not permitted in competition. Harish On 29/05/2022 06:56, Pranav Lal wrote: Hi Kanchan, How are lanes distinguished visually? It could tell you that but you will need a waterproof setup. Pranav -Original Message- From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in On Behalf Of Kanchan Pamnani Sent: Friday, May 27, 2022 6:39 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: RE: [AI] I can see but cannot drive, what good is synthetic vision? Pranav, Will it tell me that I am going out of my lane while swimming? I go to a club that is very particular that swimmers stay in their lanes and do not even for an inch go into others space. K -Original Message- From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of S Solomon Karuppannan Sent: 27 May 2022 17:29 To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: [AI] I can see but cannot drive, what good is synthetic vision? I am not afraid of copyright infringement for it was written by someone we know! -- Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "AccessIndia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to accessindia+unsubscr...@accessindia.org.in. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/a/accessindia.org.in/d/msgid/accessindia/MAZPR01MB716846E3479373A834BD154ED2DA9%40MAZPR01MB7168.INDPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM.
RE: [AI] I can see but cannot drive, what good is synthetic vision?
Hi Kanchan, How are lanes distinguished visually? It could tell you that but you will need a waterproof setup. Pranav -Original Message- From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in On Behalf Of Kanchan Pamnani Sent: Friday, May 27, 2022 6:39 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: RE: [AI] I can see but cannot drive, what good is synthetic vision? Pranav, Will it tell me that I am going out of my lane while swimming? I go to a club that is very particular that swimmers stay in their lanes and do not even for an inch go into others space. K -Original Message- From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of S Solomon Karuppannan Sent: 27 May 2022 17:29 To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: [AI] I can see but cannot drive, what good is synthetic vision? I am not afraid of copyright infringement for it was written by someone we know! -- With warm regards Solomon S teachs...@gmail.com I can see but cannot drive, what good is synthetic vision? May 26, 2022 by pranav —1 Comment Foreword By Chris Hofstader This article is a guest post written by my friend Pranav Lal. He is an expert user of The vOICe, a sensory substitution technology that allows blind people to experience some vision via sounds. I find this technology highly compelling, I think it's a better solution than are the various implants we hear about and I think Pranav gets it right in this article. Pranav's Story Many well adjusted blind people wonder what is the use of vision? A large number of us want to drive or perhaps to fly an airplane. Yes, other applications like face recognition and searching for people in a crowd come to mind. There are apps for some of these tasks while others are possible in highly specialized conditions. If you are a blind parent reading this, then it is indeed possible to give your child a form of sight without any surgery. If you are an individual who is late blind, you may get quite a lot out of this article since you may be able to get vision like sensations. What I am going to do in this article is to talk about my use of synthetic vision and sensory substitution thanks to a freely available application called The vOICe. Yes, you read that right, it is possible to have vision for free assuming you have the requisite hardware, which in many cases you do because all that is needed is a smartphone or a webcam attached to a pc. So, how do you get vision? One popular way is to stick wires in the eyes or in the brain and then to stimulate them in specific patterns. This is loosely the approach those headline grabbing eye implants make. Another way is to forget about vision altogether and use artificial intelligence to convey only relevant information to blind people. This is the approach that many applications on mobile phones use. Both the above approach have significant disadvantages. The primary disadvantage of the implant approach is that it needs surgery with its attendant complications. In addition, the electrical stimulation can lead to Seizures with brain implants for vision. Finally, the resolution of these implants at the time of this writing is very low. When it comes to artificial intelligence based approaches, the problem is that they may filter crucial input. E.g., most scene recognition apps will tell you that there is a sofa and a chair in front of you but will not tell you where these objects are. Enter sensory substitution So, what can we do? How do we overcome the demerits of both the above approaches? One way is called sensory substitution. This involves translating the sense of sight to another sense that we can perceive. There are 2 possibilities namely the sense of touch and the sense of hearing. Both can be used to convey the same information. Researchers have used both the above approaches. Sensory substitution started in the 1960s with Dr. Paul Bach-y-Rita building a chair where users could feel the shapes of objects on their backs via a series of plates. Dr. Peter Meijer is a researcher who has built a system that converts images to sound via a program called The vOICe. Enter The vOICe In 2001, I got my first laptop, an Acer travelmate 720, I think. It came with a free camera. That is how I started with the vOICe, an application that yields a form of low vision. Before we go any further, I am totally blind, that is I have no shape and or object perception. I can see light with my left eye. I was born premature and was diagnosed with retinopathy of prematurity when I was 3 years old, I believe. I should really check. The point is that I do not have any functional vision. I got blindness skills along the way and am happy with them. I got into synthetic sight out of curiosity. How does The vOICe work? The vOICe takes any image, it does not matter if it is a static image like in a photograph or streaming images like from a camera and breaks it down into a series of sounds that have a specific meaning. As a user, my job
RE: [AI] I can see but cannot drive, what good is synthetic vision?
Hi Ajay, Yes, the vOICe will run nicely on google glasses. The envision glasses are just Google glasses. Pranav -Original Message- From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in On Behalf Of Ajay Minocha Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2022 8:29 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] I can see but cannot drive, what good is synthetic vision? Pranav - any idea if this could work well with google/ envision glass? On 27/05/2022, Pranav Lal wrote: > Hi Solomon, > No copyright infringement here. I have published the article at the > following URL. > https://www.chrishofstader.com/i-can-see-but-cannot-drive-what-good-is > -synthetic-vision/ > > Thanks for posting. > Pranav > > -- > Disclaimer: > 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking > of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its > veracity; > > 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the > mails sent through this mailing list.. > > > Search for old postings at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "AccessIndia" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to accessindia+unsubscr...@accessindia.org.in. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/a/accessindia.org.in/d/msgid/accessindia/010001d871c5%245627bb10%2402773130%24%40gmail.com. > -- Ajay Minocha Mobile: +91-9584076767 Email: ajayminoc...@gmail.com p13aj...@iimidr.ac. in -- Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "AccessIndia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to accessindia+unsubscr...@accessindia.org.in. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/a/accessindia.org.in/d/msgid/accessindia/CA%2BhY0dL5Q%2BtCYe%2BWU-O%3Diu-rz0WZ_e77f6sAEwdzaFhRH18TCQ%40mail.gmail.com. -- Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "AccessIndia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to accessindia+unsubscr...@accessindia.org.in. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/a/accessindia.org.in/d/msgid/accessindia/000501d872fa%24d7890020%24869b0060%24%40gmail.com.
Re: [AI] I can see but cannot drive, what good is synthetic vision?
Pranav - any idea if this could work well with google/ envision glass? On 27/05/2022, Pranav Lal wrote: > Hi Solomon, > No copyright infringement here. I have published the article at the > following URL. > https://www.chrishofstader.com/i-can-see-but-cannot-drive-what-good-is-synthetic-vision/ > > Thanks for posting. > Pranav > > -- > Disclaimer: > 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the > person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; > > 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails > sent through this mailing list.. > > > Search for old postings at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "AccessIndia" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to accessindia+unsubscr...@accessindia.org.in. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/a/accessindia.org.in/d/msgid/accessindia/010001d871c5%245627bb10%2402773130%24%40gmail.com. > -- Ajay Minocha Mobile: +91-9584076767 Email: ajayminoc...@gmail.com p13aj...@iimidr.ac. in -- Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "AccessIndia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to accessindia+unsubscr...@accessindia.org.in. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/a/accessindia.org.in/d/msgid/accessindia/CA%2BhY0dL5Q%2BtCYe%2BWU-O%3Diu-rz0WZ_e77f6sAEwdzaFhRH18TCQ%40mail.gmail.com.
Re: [AI] I can see but cannot drive, what good is synthetic vision?
had never heard of it! very interesting! would like to talk on a phone call may be. On 5/27/22, Kanchan Pamnani wrote: > Pranav, > Will it tell me that I am going out of my lane while swimming? > I go to a club that is very particular that swimmers stay in their lanes and > do not even for an inch go into others space. > K > -Original Message- > From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in] > On Behalf Of S Solomon Karuppannan > Sent: 27 May 2022 17:29 > To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in > Subject: [AI] I can see but cannot drive, what good is synthetic vision? > > I am not afraid of copyright infringement for it was written by someone we > know! > -- > With warm regards > Solomon S > teachs...@gmail.com > > > I can see but cannot drive, what good is synthetic vision? > May 26, 2022 by pranav —1 Comment > Foreword By Chris Hofstader > This article is a guest post written by my friend Pranav Lal. He is an > expert user of The vOICe, a sensory substitution technology that > allows blind people to experience some vision via sounds. I find this > technology highly compelling, I think it's a better solution than are > the various implants we hear about and I think Pranav gets it right in > this article. > Pranav's Story > Many well adjusted blind people wonder what is the use of vision? A > large number of us want to drive or perhaps to fly an airplane. Yes, > other applications like face recognition and searching for people in a > crowd come to mind. There are apps for some of these tasks while > others are possible in highly specialized conditions. If you are a > blind parent reading this, then it is indeed possible to give your > child a form of sight without any surgery. > If you are an individual who is late blind, you may get quite a lot > out of this article since you may be able to get vision like > sensations. > What I am going to do in this article is to talk about my use of > synthetic vision and sensory substitution thanks to a freely available > application called The vOICe. Yes, you read that right, it is possible > to have vision for free assuming you have the requisite hardware, > which in many cases you do because all that is needed is a smartphone > or a webcam attached to a pc. > So, how do you get vision? One popular way is to stick wires in the > eyes or in the brain and then to stimulate them in specific patterns. > This is loosely the approach those headline grabbing eye implants > make. > Another way is to forget about vision altogether and use artificial > intelligence to convey only relevant information to blind people. This > is the approach that many applications on mobile phones use. > Both the above approach have significant disadvantages. The primary > disadvantage of the implant approach is that it needs surgery with its > attendant complications. In addition, the electrical stimulation can > lead to Seizures with brain implants for vision. Finally, the > resolution of these implants at the time of this writing is very low. > When it comes to artificial intelligence based approaches, the problem > is that they may filter crucial input. E.g., most scene recognition > apps will tell you that there is a sofa and a chair in front of you > but will not tell you where these objects are. > Enter sensory substitution > So, what can we do? How do we overcome the demerits of both the above > approaches? One way is called sensory substitution. This involves > translating the sense of sight to another sense that we can perceive. > There are 2 possibilities namely the sense of touch and the sense of > hearing. Both can be used to convey the same information. > Researchers have used both the above approaches. Sensory substitution > started in the 1960s with Dr. Paul Bach-y-Rita building a chair where > users could feel the shapes of objects on their backs via a series of > plates. > Dr. Peter Meijer is a researcher who has built a system that converts > images to sound via a program called The vOICe. > Enter The vOICe > In 2001, I got my first laptop, an Acer travelmate 720, I think. It > came with a free camera. That is how I started with the vOICe, an > application that yields a form of low vision. Before we go any > further, I am totally blind, that is I have no shape and or object > perception. I can see light with my left eye. > I was born premature and was diagnosed with retinopathy of prematurity > when I was 3 years old, I believe. I should really check. The point is > that I do not have any functional vision. > I got blindness skills along the way and am happy with them. I got > into synthetic sight out of curiosity. > How does The vOICe work? > The vOICe takes any image, it does not
RE: [AI] I can see but cannot drive, what good is synthetic vision?
Pranav, Will it tell me that I am going out of my lane while swimming? I go to a club that is very particular that swimmers stay in their lanes and do not even for an inch go into others space. K -Original Message- From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of S Solomon Karuppannan Sent: 27 May 2022 17:29 To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: [AI] I can see but cannot drive, what good is synthetic vision? I am not afraid of copyright infringement for it was written by someone we know! -- With warm regards Solomon S teachs...@gmail.com I can see but cannot drive, what good is synthetic vision? May 26, 2022 by pranav —1 Comment Foreword By Chris Hofstader This article is a guest post written by my friend Pranav Lal. He is an expert user of The vOICe, a sensory substitution technology that allows blind people to experience some vision via sounds. I find this technology highly compelling, I think it's a better solution than are the various implants we hear about and I think Pranav gets it right in this article. Pranav's Story Many well adjusted blind people wonder what is the use of vision? A large number of us want to drive or perhaps to fly an airplane. Yes, other applications like face recognition and searching for people in a crowd come to mind. There are apps for some of these tasks while others are possible in highly specialized conditions. If you are a blind parent reading this, then it is indeed possible to give your child a form of sight without any surgery. If you are an individual who is late blind, you may get quite a lot out of this article since you may be able to get vision like sensations. What I am going to do in this article is to talk about my use of synthetic vision and sensory substitution thanks to a freely available application called The vOICe. Yes, you read that right, it is possible to have vision for free assuming you have the requisite hardware, which in many cases you do because all that is needed is a smartphone or a webcam attached to a pc. So, how do you get vision? One popular way is to stick wires in the eyes or in the brain and then to stimulate them in specific patterns. This is loosely the approach those headline grabbing eye implants make. Another way is to forget about vision altogether and use artificial intelligence to convey only relevant information to blind people. This is the approach that many applications on mobile phones use. Both the above approach have significant disadvantages. The primary disadvantage of the implant approach is that it needs surgery with its attendant complications. In addition, the electrical stimulation can lead to Seizures with brain implants for vision. Finally, the resolution of these implants at the time of this writing is very low. When it comes to artificial intelligence based approaches, the problem is that they may filter crucial input. E.g., most scene recognition apps will tell you that there is a sofa and a chair in front of you but will not tell you where these objects are. Enter sensory substitution So, what can we do? How do we overcome the demerits of both the above approaches? One way is called sensory substitution. This involves translating the sense of sight to another sense that we can perceive. There are 2 possibilities namely the sense of touch and the sense of hearing. Both can be used to convey the same information. Researchers have used both the above approaches. Sensory substitution started in the 1960s with Dr. Paul Bach-y-Rita building a chair where users could feel the shapes of objects on their backs via a series of plates. Dr. Peter Meijer is a researcher who has built a system that converts images to sound via a program called The vOICe. Enter The vOICe In 2001, I got my first laptop, an Acer travelmate 720, I think. It came with a free camera. That is how I started with the vOICe, an application that yields a form of low vision. Before we go any further, I am totally blind, that is I have no shape and or object perception. I can see light with my left eye. I was born premature and was diagnosed with retinopathy of prematurity when I was 3 years old, I believe. I should really check. The point is that I do not have any functional vision. I got blindness skills along the way and am happy with them. I got into synthetic sight out of curiosity. How does The vOICe work? The vOICe takes any image, it does not matter if it is a static image like in a photograph or streaming images like from a camera and breaks it down into a series of sounds that have a specific meaning. As a user, my job is to interpret the sound and infer what I am looking at. There is more to this because this processing becomes subconscious with sufficient practice. See the below table. Sound Characteristic Meaning Panning Objects on your left are sounded in your left ear while objects on your right are sounded in your right ear. Objects in the center are sounded between
RE: [AI] I can see but cannot drive, what good is synthetic vision?
Hi Solomon, No copyright infringement here. I have published the article at the following URL. https://www.chrishofstader.com/i-can-see-but-cannot-drive-what-good-is-synthetic-vision/ Thanks for posting. Pranav -- Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "AccessIndia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to accessindia+unsubscr...@accessindia.org.in. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/a/accessindia.org.in/d/msgid/accessindia/010001d871c5%245627bb10%2402773130%24%40gmail.com.
[AI] I can see but cannot drive, what good is synthetic vision?
I am not afraid of copyright infringement for it was written by someone we know! -- With warm regards Solomon S teachs...@gmail.com I can see but cannot drive, what good is synthetic vision? May 26, 2022 by pranav —1 Comment Foreword By Chris Hofstader This article is a guest post written by my friend Pranav Lal. He is an expert user of The vOICe, a sensory substitution technology that allows blind people to experience some vision via sounds. I find this technology highly compelling, I think it's a better solution than are the various implants we hear about and I think Pranav gets it right in this article. Pranav's Story Many well adjusted blind people wonder what is the use of vision? A large number of us want to drive or perhaps to fly an airplane. Yes, other applications like face recognition and searching for people in a crowd come to mind. There are apps for some of these tasks while others are possible in highly specialized conditions. If you are a blind parent reading this, then it is indeed possible to give your child a form of sight without any surgery. If you are an individual who is late blind, you may get quite a lot out of this article since you may be able to get vision like sensations. What I am going to do in this article is to talk about my use of synthetic vision and sensory substitution thanks to a freely available application called The vOICe. Yes, you read that right, it is possible to have vision for free assuming you have the requisite hardware, which in many cases you do because all that is needed is a smartphone or a webcam attached to a pc. So, how do you get vision? One popular way is to stick wires in the eyes or in the brain and then to stimulate them in specific patterns. This is loosely the approach those headline grabbing eye implants make. Another way is to forget about vision altogether and use artificial intelligence to convey only relevant information to blind people. This is the approach that many applications on mobile phones use. Both the above approach have significant disadvantages. The primary disadvantage of the implant approach is that it needs surgery with its attendant complications. In addition, the electrical stimulation can lead to Seizures with brain implants for vision. Finally, the resolution of these implants at the time of this writing is very low. When it comes to artificial intelligence based approaches, the problem is that they may filter crucial input. E.g., most scene recognition apps will tell you that there is a sofa and a chair in front of you but will not tell you where these objects are. Enter sensory substitution So, what can we do? How do we overcome the demerits of both the above approaches? One way is called sensory substitution. This involves translating the sense of sight to another sense that we can perceive. There are 2 possibilities namely the sense of touch and the sense of hearing. Both can be used to convey the same information. Researchers have used both the above approaches. Sensory substitution started in the 1960s with Dr. Paul Bach-y-Rita building a chair where users could feel the shapes of objects on their backs via a series of plates. Dr. Peter Meijer is a researcher who has built a system that converts images to sound via a program called The vOICe. Enter The vOICe In 2001, I got my first laptop, an Acer travelmate 720, I think. It came with a free camera. That is how I started with the vOICe, an application that yields a form of low vision. Before we go any further, I am totally blind, that is I have no shape and or object perception. I can see light with my left eye. I was born premature and was diagnosed with retinopathy of prematurity when I was 3 years old, I believe. I should really check. The point is that I do not have any functional vision. I got blindness skills along the way and am happy with them. I got into synthetic sight out of curiosity. How does The vOICe work? The vOICe takes any image, it does not matter if it is a static image like in a photograph or streaming images like from a camera and breaks it down into a series of sounds that have a specific meaning. As a user, my job is to interpret the sound and infer what I am looking at. There is more to this because this processing becomes subconscious with sufficient practice. See the below table. Sound Characteristic Meaning Panning Objects on your left are sounded in your left ear while objects on your right are sounded in your right ear. Objects in the center are sounded between both ears. This assumes your camera is facing in the same direction as you are. Frequency The higher the frequency or pitch of the sound, the more elevated is the object in the frame. Volume The louder the sound, the brighter the object. The vOICe pans automatically from left to right of the frame thereby giving you a symphony of different pitches, volumes and positions. This sounds potentially complicated, but it is a bit like eating food. Try describing the steps to put
