Re: [address-policy-wg] 2016-04 To Last Call (IPv6 Sub-assignment Clarification)

2018-01-15 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg
Hi Gert, all, Obviously, I don’t agree, just because for me, “consensus” is having no objections, not a “democracy voting”. I also feel that the way this has been done, extending the discussion, so allowing the proposer to participate in a conference, and then asking the participants to “speak

Re: [address-policy-wg] what does consensus mean

2018-01-15 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg
en nombre de Jim Reid Fecha: lunes, 15 de enero de 2018, 12:05 Para: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ CC: Asunto: [address-policy-wg] what does consensus mean > On 15 Jan 2018, at 10:21, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg wrote: > > > Obviously, I don’t agree,

Re: [address-policy-wg] 2016-04 To Last Call (IPv6 Sub-assignment Clarification)

2018-01-15 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg
Sub-assignment Clarification) JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg wrote: > Obviously, I don’t agree, just because for me, “consensus” is having > no objections, not a “democracy voting”. APWG aims to follow the IETF approach to consensus, as defined in rfc7282. This e

Re: [address-policy-wg] 2016-04 To Last Call (IPv6 Sub-assignment Clarification)

2018-01-15 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg
Hi Sander, I know Gert and you very well, and I don’t have any doubt that it was not done in a “malicious” way, but I think the PDP has not been followed correctly. Again, is not a matter of this concrete proposal, is a generic concern on the PDP application. Regards, Jordi -Mensaje origi

Re: [address-policy-wg] 2016-04 Review Phase (IPv6 Sub-assignment Clarification)

2018-01-15 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg
Hi Marco, I feel then contradictory this: 2.6 change Providing another entity with separate addresses (not prefixes) from a subnet used on a link operated by the assignment holder is not considered a sub-assignment. This includes for example letting visitors connect to the assignment holder's

Re: [address-policy-wg] 2016-04 To Last Call (IPv6 Sub-assignment Clarification)

2018-01-15 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg
Clarification) > On 15 Jan 2018, at 12:49, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg wrote: > > I think the PDP has not been followed correctly. In that case Jordi, you can use the PDP to raise those concerns. Though I think you're actually complainin

Re: [address-policy-wg] 2016-04 Review Phase (IPv6 Sub-assignment Clarification)

2018-01-15 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg
Reid Fecha: lunes, 15 de enero de 2018, 14:29 Para: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ CC: Asunto: Re: [address-policy-wg] 2016-04 Review Phase (IPv6 Sub-assignment Clarification) > On 15 Jan 2018, at 13:21, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg wrote: > >

Re: [address-policy-wg] what does consensus mean

2018-01-15 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg
:09:27PM +0100, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg wrote: > I agree that is not ???unanimity???, but I don???t think there is consensus on this proposal, and even less I think is fair to extend the review period ???because??? a proposal has been brought in the last minute to anot

Re: [address-policy-wg] 2016-04 To Last Call (IPv6 Sub-assignment Clarification)

2018-01-15 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg
Hi Sander, My reading of PDP 2.4 is not that we can’t make changes (which I believe are in the same direction of the proposal, look for my questions below, so no substantial changes, only making sure that we have in the text what we want). My reason to re-raise those now, is because they become

Re: [address-policy-wg] 2016-04 To Last Call (IPv6 Sub-assignment Clarification)

2018-01-15 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg
Below, in-line. Saludos, Jordi -Mensaje original- De: address-policy-wg en nombre de Sander Steffann Fecha: lunes, 15 de enero de 2018, 17:37 Para: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ CC: Asunto: Re: [address-policy-wg] 2016-04 To Last Call (IPv6 Sub-assignment Clarification) Hi, >

Re: [address-policy-wg] 2016-04 To Last Call (IPv6 Sub-assignment Clarification)

2018-01-15 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg
Mon, Jan 15, 2018 at 01:49:58PM +0100, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg wrote: > I know Gert and you very well, and I don???t have any doubt that it was not done in a ???malicious??? way, but I think the PDP has not been followed correctly. > > Again, is not a matte

Re: [address-policy-wg] 2016-04 To Last Call (IPv6 Sub-assignment Clarification)

2018-01-15 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg
MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg scripsit: Hi Jordi, > none of this will change our decision, but it would make it more easy > to the rest of the readers to understand why you're so angry *right now*, > while neither the announcement of the ext

Re: [address-policy-wg] 2016-04 To Last Call (IPv6 Sub-assignment Clarification)

2018-01-15 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg
Understood, even do, I will love to heard that from the NCC, because the disadvantage is that then to interpret the policy text, you need to read “all” the policy proposals, which I don’t think is very nice or useful. Despite that, I still believe that my proposed text (or something a bit light

Re: [address-policy-wg] 2016-04 To Last Call (IPv6 Sub-assignment Clarification)

2018-01-15 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg
What I’m trying to avoid is what I read as a contradiction among the policy text, the argumentation and the impact analysis, so I don’t really care about a fix number and I agree to let “it free” to avoid technology issues. According to that, I guess this may work: “Providing another entity wit

Re: [address-policy-wg] what does consensus mean

2018-01-16 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg
-policy-wg] what does consensus mean > On 15 Jan 2018, at 12:09, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg wrote: > > Then, my reading is that EVERY policy proposal can always reach consensus, is just a matter of finding enough folks (or virtual voices) that regi

Re: [address-policy-wg] what does consensus mean

2018-01-16 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg
address them. Regards, Jordi -Mensaje original- De: address-policy-wg en nombre de Jan Ingvoldstad Fecha: martes, 16 de enero de 2018, 11:54 Para: RIPE Address Policy WG Asunto: Re: [address-policy-wg] what does consensus mean On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 11:40 AM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via

Re: [address-policy-wg] what does consensus mean

2018-01-16 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg
LET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg wrote: > > 1) When you believe you agree with a policy proposal and declare it to the list (so chairs can measure consensus), do you “agree” only with the “policy text” or with the arguments written down in the policy proposal, or wit

Re: [address-policy-wg] what does consensus mean

2018-01-19 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg
de enero de 2018, 18:09 Para: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ CC: Asunto: Re: [address-policy-wg] what does consensus mean Hi, On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 11:40:28AM +0100, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg wrote: > 1) When you believe you agree with a policy proposal and declare it to

Re: [address-policy-wg] what does consensus mean

2018-01-19 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg
Thanks Malcolm, I think this is a perfect definition of consensus and it shows that "more voices" not necessarily means "consensus". However, I really think, regardless if there are or not objections, consensus can't be achieved on "non-sense" or "unrealistic" proposals which can't be enforced

Re: [address-policy-wg] what does consensus mean

2018-01-19 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg
In my opinion there are 3 points to clarify: 1) Temporary always ? clearly not for point-to-point links, no-sense for data centers? 2) Single address (/128) for a single device (so the device can't use privacy? Utopia!), or do we allow if the devices get a single-prefix, it uses multiple addres

[address-policy-wg] policy text or anything else?

2018-01-19 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg
Hi all, I've changed the subject, because I want to talk here in general about our policy process, not any specific policy. I've tried to find where in our process, states that in addition to the policy text itself, other inputs during the PDP matter. If there is such confirmation, could the N

[address-policy-wg] inconsistency in 2016-04

2018-01-19 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg
(sorry Jim ! subject replaced) Hi Sander, Below in-line. Regards, Jordi -Mensaje original- De: address-policy-wg en nombre de Sander Steffann Fecha: viernes, 19 de enero de 2018, 12:13 Para: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ CC: Asunto: Re: [address-policy-wg] what does consensus mean Hi,

Re: [address-policy-wg] inconsistency in 2016-04

2018-01-19 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg
What I'm saying is that, if we can't change the policy text, at least we make sure that those cases are crystal clear in the IA. Or is that also breaking the PDP? Regards, Jordi -Mensaje original- De: address-policy-wg en nombre de Sander Steffann Fecha: viernes, 19 de enero de 2018

Re: [address-policy-wg] inconsistency in 2016-04

2018-01-19 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg
Doering Fecha: viernes, 19 de enero de 2018, 14:23 Para: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ CC: Asunto: Re: [address-policy-wg] inconsistency in 2016-04 Hi, On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 02:19:54PM +0100, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg wrote: > What I'm saying is that, if

Re: [address-policy-wg] 2018-01 New Policy Proposal (Organisation-LIR Clarification in IPv6 Policy)

2018-02-22 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg
Thanks Marco! To make it easy, I've prepared an online diff. https://www.diffchecker.com/2mGPoRbo Red color is actual text. Green is the proposed one. Regards, Jordi -Mensaje original- De: address-policy-wg en nombre de Marco Schmidt Fecha: jueves, 22 de febrero de 2018, 15:34 Par

Re: [address-policy-wg] 2016-04 concluded (IPv6 Sub-assignment Clarification)

2018-03-16 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg
Hi Gert, all, I agree with your summary, and also understand the point that is better to have "something" now and improve it. In fact, yesterday I expressed the same view in anti-abuse, even against my previous opinion that we should do it "right" in a single "step". Consequently, in view of i

Re: [address-policy-wg] 2018-01 New Policy Proposal (Organisation-LIR Clarification in IPv6 Policy)

2018-03-19 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg
Thanks Gert! Further, having no inputs removes all the fun of the PDP! In case you missed previous emails, to make it easier for you to comment, I've prepared an on-line diff so you can easily track the proposed changes: https://www.diffchecker.com/2mGPoRbo Also, the complete text of the propo

Re: [address-policy-wg] Preliminary policy proposal: Exceptional /20 IPv4 allocations from the last /8

2018-04-01 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg
Hi Janos, I will be in favor of this policy proposal if it means that those LIRs are going to contribute to gym cost for end-users (non-LIRs). Have you thought about that? Regards, Jordi -Mensaje original- De: address-policy-wg en nombre de Janos Zsako Fecha: domingo, 1 de abril d

Re: [address-policy-wg] 2018-02 New Policy Proposal (Assignment Clarification in IPv6 Policy)

2018-04-17 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg
Hi all, As you probably remember, during the discussion of the recently implemented 2016-04, I complained that we should not approve a policy proposal with a wording that creates (in my opinion), discrepancies between the NCC impact analysis and the policy text. I was suggested that it can alw

Re: [address-policy-wg] 2018-02 New Policy Proposal (Assignment Clarification in IPv6 Policy)

2018-04-17 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg
By the way, forgot something ... I've created an "online diff" so you can compare the actual text, with my proposal: https://www.diffchecker.com/SMXYO2rc Regards, Jordi -Mensaje original- De: address-policy-wg en nombre de JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-

Re: [address-policy-wg] 2018-02 New Policy Proposal (Assignment Clarification in IPv6 Policy)

2018-04-17 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg
artes, 17 de abril de 2018, 17:14 Para: Asunto: Re: [address-policy-wg] 2018-02 New Policy Proposal (Assignment Clarification in IPv6 Policy) Anno domini 2018 JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg scripsit: Hi, > As you probably remember, during the discussio

Re: [address-policy-wg] 2018-02 New Policy Proposal (Assignment Clarification in IPv6 Policy)

2018-04-17 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg
Luck [ml]" Fecha: martes, 17 de abril de 2018, 18:53 Para: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ CC: Asunto: Re: [address-policy-wg] 2018-02 New Policy Proposal (Assignment Clarification in IPv6 Policy) Hi Jordi, On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 04:57:20PM +0200, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-pol

Re: [address-policy-wg] 2018-02 New Policy Proposal (Assignment Clarification in IPv6 Policy)

2018-04-18 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg
y Proposal (Assignment Clarification in IPv6 Policy) Moin, am 17.04.2018 um 16:51 schrieb JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg: I've also suggested the same text in the other 4 RIRs with equivalent policy proposal, because all them have the same problem. >From my point of view, if there

[address-policy-wg] inputs on possible policy proposal for IPv6

2018-05-02 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg
Hi all, As you probably know, ARIN amended some time ago their IPv6 policy proposal in order to make sure that the allocations to LIRs are aligned to the nibble boundary. In the context of another discussion in AfriNIC, Owen DeLong, suggested that we could do something similar. I'm consideri

Re: [address-policy-wg] inputs on possible policy proposal for IPv6

2018-05-02 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg
l for IPv6 On 2018 May 02 (Wed) at 07:25:12 -0500 (-0500), JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg wrote: :Hi all, : :As you probably know, ARIN amended some time ago their IPv6 policy proposal in order to make sure that the allocations to LIRs are aligned to the nibbl

Re: [address-policy-wg] inputs on possible policy proposal for IPv6

2018-05-02 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg
mayo de 2018, 9:35 Para: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ CC: RIPE Address Policy WG List Asunto: Re: [address-policy-wg] inputs on possible policy proposal for IPv6 Hi, On Wed, May 02, 2018 at 07:25:12AM -0500, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg wrote: > ???As you probably know,

Re: [address-policy-wg] inputs on possible policy proposal for IPv6

2018-05-04 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg
[address-policy-wg] inputs on possible policy proposal for IPv6 * JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg [2018-05-02 14:26]: > Note that in the case of RIPE, we have a big difference with the > other RIRs, because all them start with /32, while we updated our >

Re: [address-policy-wg] 2018-01 Review Phase (Organisation-LIR Clarification in IPv6 Policy)

2018-05-04 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg
Hi all, This is a grammar details that doesn’t affect the policy proposal content. I’m fine either way, but of course, I’m not native English, and the way it is being used in the document right now, was the suggested NCC format. So, I will say I’m happy if they choose one way or another,

Re: [address-policy-wg] IP/ASNs for Governments BoF

2018-05-06 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg
Hi Iljitsch, When is this BoF? I’ve worked in policy proposals to solve this problem in several RIRs, so I fail to see what further problem do you find. Anyway, happy to participate and contribute if there is one. Regards, Jordi De: address-policy-wg en nombre de Iljitsc

[address-policy-wg] 2018-01 Organisation-LIR Clarification in IPv6 Policy - comments from today meeting

2018-05-16 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg
Hi all, I tried to find the "mismatch" that Peter mention today in the meeting about this proposal text, however was unable to. So, if Peter or somebody else can point to anything more specific, the authors will be happy to provide thougths for alternatives to the mismatching text. Thanks! R

[address-policy-wg] 2018-02 Assignment Clarification in IPv6 Policy - comments from today meeting

2018-05-16 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg
Hi all, I've been asked to state what is the problem. I think it was clear in my slides, but anyway, here we go with all the problems I see: 1) The current policy text says "Providing another entity with separate addresses (not prefixes)". To me this is inconsistent addresses instead of an a

[address-policy-wg] proposal to remove IPv6 PI

2018-05-16 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg
Hi all, For those that haven't been in the meeting, the slides are available at https://ripe76.ripe.net/presentations/97-RIPE-2018-05-v1.pdf I believe we have several problems that my proposal is trying to fix. 1) See my previous email on the clarification of IPv6 PI sub-assignments. Is not ju

Re: [address-policy-wg] proposal to remove IPv6 PI

2018-05-16 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg
work as LIR. Canceling the IPv6 PI would not help to solve this problem, it would make it even worse, by pushing more and more end users to became LIR when they are actually not one. Best regards Martin Dne středa 16. května 2018 14:52:57 CEST, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ v

Re: [address-policy-wg] 2018-02 Assignment Clarification in IPv6 Policy - comments from today meeting

2018-05-16 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg
Assignment Clarification in IPv6 Policy - comments from today meeting On 16.05.2018 14:19, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg wrote: > Hi all, > > I've been asked to state what is the problem. > > I think it was clear in my slides, but anyway, here

Re: [address-policy-wg] proposal to remove IPv6 PI

2018-05-16 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg
f emails on that discussion you will see how difficult may be to clarify that with a "short" text), or we just put all in the same "class" of addressing space. Sincerely, Martin Dne středa 16. května 2018 16:10:13 CEST, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-

Re: [address-policy-wg] proposal to remove IPv6 PI

2018-05-16 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg
I don't see why this would mean "lower" number of LIRs? Actually, I think will be the contrary. I think most of the end-users will become LIRs, especially if the AGM makes a smart move about how to attract them (fee scheme, contract, etc.). I don't see also why this would create more disaggrega

Re: [address-policy-wg] proposal to remove IPv6 PI

2018-05-16 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg
all the impolite phrases from it then. Didn't manage to do that. Removed the whole post. So, in one sentence, I am against this. 16.05.18 15:52, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg пише: > Hi all, > > For those that haven't been i

Re: [address-policy-wg] proposal to remove IPv6 PI

2018-05-16 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg
, Martin Dne středa 16. května 2018 17:45:01 CEST, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg napsal(a): > Below, in-line. > > Regards, > Jordi > > > > -Mensaje original- > De: address-policy-wg en nombre de Martin Hu

Re: [address-policy-wg] proposal to remove IPv6 PI

2018-05-16 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg
-policy-wg] proposal to remove IPv6 PI Am 16.05.2018 um 14:52 schrieb JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg: > […] > I believe we have several problems that my proposal is trying to fix. > […] > Thoughts? To put it in a nutshell, I think you throw

Re: [address-policy-wg] proposal to remove IPv6 PI

2018-05-18 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg
JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg scripsit: Hi, > PI and PA are artificial names for the same thing. They are not. Please, enumerate what are the differences, so we can check one by one. > There is only one type of Global Unicast Addresses i

Re: [address-policy-wg] proposal to remove IPv6 PI

2018-05-18 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg
I will use [Jordi] to make it clear. Regards, Jordi -Mensaje original- De: address-policy-wg en nombre de Maximilian Wilhelm Fecha: jueves, 17 de mayo de 2018, 17:36 Para: Asunto: Re: [address-policy-wg] proposal to remove IPv6 PI Anno domini 2018 JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via

Re: [address-policy-wg] 2018-02 Assignment Clarification in IPv6 Policy - comments from today meeting

2018-05-18 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg
g] 2018-02 Assignment Clarification in IPv6 Policy - comments from today meeting Hi there, on 16.05.2018 17:33, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg wrote: > So, to make sure I understood your point. You think that a single /128 prefix is ok to be sub-assigned (as per the current

Re: [address-policy-wg] proposal to remove IPv6 PI

2018-05-19 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg
ey will probably not start using IPv6 at all. Both would not be a good idea I think. Jan Hugo On 05/16/2018 02:52 PM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg wrote: > Hi all, > > For those that haven't been in the meeting, the slides a

Re: [address-policy-wg] proposal to remove IPv6 PI

2018-05-19 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg
2018, 12:17 Para: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ CC: Asunto: Re: [address-policy-wg] proposal to remove IPv6 PI Hi, On Sat, May 19, 2018 at 12:07:50PM +0200, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg wrote: > My proposal is NOT to stop IPv6 PI, it is only to make a *single* > ca

Re: [address-policy-wg] proposal to remove IPv6 PI

2018-05-20 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg
om /32 and sign LIR contract). Regards, Jordi -Mensaje original- De: Nick Hilliard Fecha: sábado, 19 de mayo de 2018, 14:21 Para: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ CC: Asunto: Re: [address-policy-wg] proposal to remove IPv6 PI JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg wrote: > But, I

Re: [address-policy-wg] proposal to remove IPv6 PI

2018-05-20 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg
200, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg wrote: >I don't see why this would mean "lower" number of LIRs? > >Actually, I think will be the contrary. I think most of the end-users will become LIRs, especially if the AGM makes a smart move about how to attrac

Re: [address-policy-wg] proposal to remove IPv6 PI

2018-05-20 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg
PI Am 19.05.2018 um 12:07 schrieb JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg: > My proposal is NOT to stop IPv6 PI, Alternative facts? The title says "to remove IPv6 PI". [Jordi] You're taking the tittle literally. If this is a problem I will find a better one &qu

Re: [address-policy-wg] proposal to remove IPv6 PI

2018-05-20 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg
licy-wg] proposal to remove IPv6 PI On 2018 May 19 (Sat) at 18:11:39 +0200 (+0200), Kai 'wusel' Siering wrote: :Am 19.05.2018 um 12:07 schrieb JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg: :> My proposal is NOT to stop IPv6 PI, : :Alternative facts? The title says &qu

Re: [address-policy-wg] [CFP] ACM/IEEE IPSN 2019 in CPSWeek

2018-09-27 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg
May be talking directly with ACM/IEEE, so they tell their members to respect the AUP, and if they don't react, just block any message that has IEEE (telling IEEE that we will be forced to do so). Regards, Jordi -Mensaje original- De: address-policy-wg en nombre de Gert Doering F

[address-policy-wg] What we want to be acceptable in IPv4 PI and IPv6 PI?

2018-10-17 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg
Hi all, Trying to look into my presentation today from a higher-level perspective ... What is the expected usage of IPv4 and IPv6 PI? It should be the same or different? Do we want to use IPv6 PI as an entry point for people, without any restrictions, to start providing services and then they

[address-policy-wg] proposed text for Assignment Clarification in IPv6 Policy (policy proposal 2018-02)

2018-10-29 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg
Hi all, Unfortunately, I've not received inputs on my question about what we want to be allowed in IPv6 PI, but as I'm working on this in other regions, got inputs in another region, which I think I can translate to this text: ** 2.6. Assign To "assign" means to delegate address space t

[address-policy-wg] suggestions from the list about IPv6 sub-assignment clarification

2019-01-17 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg
Hi all, As you know, I've been working on different versions of a clarification to 2016-04 (https://www.ripe.net/participate/policies/proposals/2016-04). This proposal allows a single IP to be sub-assigned, and the author explained (not just in the policy proposal text, but also in the justific

Re: [address-policy-wg] suggestions from the list about IPv6 sub-assignment clarification

2019-01-17 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg
Rgds, Ray -----Original Message- From: address-policy-wg On Behalf Of JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg Sent: 17. tammikuuta 2019 14:13 To: address-policy-wg Subject: [address-policy-wg] suggestions from the list about IPv6 sub-assignment clarification

Re: [address-policy-wg] suggestions from the list about IPv6 sub-assignment clarification

2019-01-17 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg
And I agree with all what you said! I just want to make sure that we all are in the same page. Regards, Jordi -Mensaje original- De: address-policy-wg en nombre de Kai 'wusel' Siering Fecha: jueves, 17 de enero de 2019, 15:10 Para: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address

Re: [address-policy-wg] suggestions from the list about IPv6 sub-assignment clarification

2019-01-17 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg
eded, its still available, apply for a PI v6 subnet from Ripe. (or even become a member). I hope this helps Rgds, Ray -Original Message- From: address-policy-wg On Behalf Of JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg Sent:

Re: [address-policy-wg] suggestions from the list about IPv6 sub-assignment clarification

2019-01-17 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg
agic Mails Fecha: jueves, 17 de enero de 2019, 20:16 Para: Asunto: Re: [address-policy-wg] suggestions from the list about IPv6 sub-assignment clarification On 17.01.2019 15:37, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg wrote: We need to consider as well, as I depicted already before, that if

Re: [address-policy-wg] suggestions from the list about IPv6 sub-assignment clarification

2019-01-17 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg
ess-policy-wg] suggestions from the list about IPv6 sub-assignment clarification On 17.01.2019 15:37, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg wrote: We need to consider as well, as I depicted already before, that if you have a physical sever, you probably need also multiple addresses for th

Re: [address-policy-wg] PA ??? life after death

2019-03-08 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg
Even very low-cost chipsets for CEs, such as Mediatek, Broadcom, Cavium/Marvell, etc., can offload IPv6 as well. Sometimes is not the hardware, but the firmware not taking advantage of it. For IPv6, unless you want pure dual-stack, not the right transition for what is needed now (IPv6-onl

[address-policy-wg] 2019-01 Review Phase (Clarification of Definition for "ASSIGNED PA")

2019-03-16 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg
Sorry, I've not participated in the discussion, but just read all the thread and the impact analysis, and I'm supporting as well. Regards, Jordi ** IPv4 is over Are you ready for the new Internet ? http://www.theipv6company.com The IPv6 Company

[address-policy-wg] 2019-02 New Policy Proposal (Reducing IPv4 Allocations to a /24)

2019-03-16 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg
Same here, sorry, I've not participated in the discussion, a bit overloaded with daily work, but just read all the thread, and I'm supporting it. Further I can add some data. I've participated in APNIC 47, and prop-127, which is mention in this proposal, reached consensus. I've also discussed

Re: [address-policy-wg] Application for AS number

2019-05-07 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg
Hi all, I've already drafted a policy proposal to make a change on this, but if I got it correctly, the chairs were believing that it was not needed, so I never officially submitted it. I'm happy to submit it again. It may be interesting for all the list participants to read my policy proposal

[address-policy-wg] informal discussion about removing 5.4.2. Assignments shorter than a /48 to a single End Site

2019-05-22 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg
Hi all, As commented this morning at the end of the WG meeting, I've been thinking about this issue many times and in fact, in AFRINIC, APNIC and LACNIC, as part of *other* more complex IPv6 policy proposals, we successfully achieved consensus on removing the equivalent text. ARIN has also cha

[address-policy-wg] question about IPv4 legacy and transfers - should we convert legacy to non-legacy with transfers?

2019-07-13 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg
Hi all, I keep thinking that ripe-682 (RIPE resource transfer policies), should have a provision (as it is the case in all the other RIRs), in order to "convert" the legacy resources to non-legacy, when they got transferred. I don't really recall if this was discussed during the relevant propos

Re: [address-policy-wg] question about IPv4 legacy and transfers - should we convert legacy to non-legacy with transfers?

2019-07-13 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg
escribió: Hi, On Sat, Jul 13, 2019 at 01:37:19PM +0200, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg wrote: > I keep thinking that ripe-682 (RIPE resource transfer policies), should have a provision (as it is the case in all the other RIRs), in order to "convert" t

Re: [address-policy-wg] question about IPv4 legacy and transfers - should we convert legacy to non-legacy with transfers?

2019-07-13 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg
en nombre de Gert Doering" escribió: Hi, On Sat, Jul 13, 2019 at 02:04:11PM +0200, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg wrote: > My personal view but looking for the good of the community is that it is better to get rid ASAP of the "legacy" status for as muc

Re: [address-policy-wg] question about IPv4 legacy and transfers - should we convert legacy to non-legacy with transfers?

2019-07-13 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg
jordipalet El 13/7/19 14:43, "address-policy-wg en nombre de Gert Doering" escribió: Hi, On Sat, Jul 13, 2019 at 02:27:03PM +0200, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg wrote: > If legacy holders, want to transfers those resources and escape from fulf

Re: [address-policy-wg] question about IPv4 legacy and transfers - should we convert legacy to non-legacy with transfers?

2019-07-14 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg
Hope this explains a bit. Regards, Erik Bais Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPhone Op 13 jul. 2019 om 14:49 heeft JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg het volgende geschreven: Hi Gert, If the received of the transfer is already bound by contracts with RIPE, he is the one that will &qu

Re: [address-policy-wg] question about IPv4 legacy and transfers - should we convert legacy to non-legacy with transfers?

2019-07-15 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg
Hi Sander, I was referring to inter-RIR transfers, sorry not having been more explicit. I understand that the previous policies were only intra-RIR. The actual ones are both intra and inter. I don't think it is a matter of respect previous rights, because in that case, when we do *any* policy

Re: [address-policy-wg] question about IPv4 legacy and transfers - should we convert legacy to non-legacy with transfers?

2019-07-15 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg
Hi Jim, El 15/7/19 2:16, "Jim Reid" escribió: > On 14 Jul 2019, at 22:54, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg wrote: > > I know that every region is different, but we live in a global Internet, and it is surprising to me that we are the

Re: [address-policy-wg] question about IPv4 legacy and transfers - should we convert legacy to non-legacy with transfers?

2019-07-15 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg
od for RIPE? I don't think so, we could keep growing the non-legacy resources, while other regions get "cleaned". Regards, Jordi @jordipalet El 15/7/19 10:05, "address-policy-wg en nombre de Tore Anderson" escribió: * Gert Doering > On Sat, Jul 13, 20

Re: [address-policy-wg] question about IPv4 legacy and transfers - should we convert legacy to non-legacy with transfers?

2019-07-15 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg
Hi Tore, El 15/7/19 12:26, "address-policy-wg en nombre de Tore Anderson" escribió: * JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg > I think my previus email just explained it. Not really... > The motivation is my personal view that we have a problem

Re: [address-policy-wg] question about IPv4 legacy and transfers - should we convert legacy to non-legacy with transfers?

2019-07-15 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg
On 15/07/2019, 11:39, "address-policy-wg on behalf of JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg" wrote: Hi Tore, I think my previus email just explained it. The motivation is my personal view that we have a problem (as a community) by

Re: [address-policy-wg] question about IPv4 legacy and transfers - should we convert legacy to non-legacy with transfers?

2019-07-16 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg
Hi Tore, El 15/7/19 14:02, "Tore Anderson" escribió: * JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg > -> Because I think when there is an unfair situation (some folks bound to rules/policies, others not), there is a problem. ... > -> Because is not

Re: [address-policy-wg] question about IPv4 legacy and transfers - should we convert legacy to non-legacy with transfers?

2019-07-16 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg
I didn't said anything about retroactivity: - Holders of legacy that don't transfer them, aren't affected. - Transfers already done (from legacy resources) aren't affected The only affected ones are "new" transfers (if the policy reach consensus), and is only affecting the ones that get the reso

Re: [address-policy-wg] question about IPv4 legacy and transfers - should we convert legacy to non-legacy with transfers?

2019-07-16 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg
mbre de Gert Doering" escribió: Hi, On Tue, Jul 16, 2019 at 10:29:28AM +0200, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg wrote: > Again, please consider, if it is good that we are the only RIR not doing so. I don't think that's good. If this is the main argu

Re: [address-policy-wg] question about IPv4 legacy and transfers - should we convert legacy to non-legacy with transfers?

2019-07-16 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg
> Gert Doering wrote at 2019-07-16 10:46: >> Hi, >> >> On Tue, Jul 16, 2019 at 10:29:28AM +0200, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via >> address-policy-wg wrote: >>> Again, please consider, if it is good that we are the only RIR not doing >>

Re: [address-policy-wg] question about IPv4 legacy and transfers - should we convert legacy to non-legacy with transfers?

2019-07-17 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg
Hi, El 17/7/19 18:08, "address-policy-wg en nombre de Radu-Adrian FEURDEAN" escribió: On Mon, Jul 15, 2019, at 14:02, Tore Anderson wrote: > In any case, and to be perfectly honest, this rationale reads to like > petty jealousy to me - «I can't do X with my RIPE ALLOCATED PA, so I

Re: [address-policy-wg] question about IPv4 legacy and transfers - should we convert legacy to non-legacy with transfers?

2019-07-17 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg
, 2019 at 06:48:46PM +0200, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg wrote: > -> I don't think this is "delicate" at all. Nobody is being *forced* to do that. If you have legacy, you can do transfers outside the system and nobody can oppose to that. However, please read

Re: [address-policy-wg] question about IPv4 legacy and transfers - should we convert legacy to non-legacy with transfers?

2019-07-17 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg
about their rationale why they implemented this kind of policy? Maybe they have some strong arguments we are missing here? Gert Doering wrote at 2019-07-16 10:46: > Hi, > > On Tue, Jul 16, 2019 at 10:29:28AM +0200, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via > address-

Re: [address-policy-wg] question about IPv4 legacy and transfers - should we convert legacy to non-legacy with transfers?

2019-07-17 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg
course and this is just part of the process to improve our policies. El 17/7/19 20:15, "Gert Doering" escribió: Hi, On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 08:01:44PM +0200, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg wrote: > We, as a community, should look for the benefit of

Re: [address-policy-wg] 2019-06 New Policy Proposal (Multiple Editorial Changes in IPv6 Policy)

2019-10-10 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg
Hi David, Responding below, in-line. Regards, Jordi @jordipalet El 10/10/19 7:01, "address-policy-wg en nombre de David Farmer" escribió: On Tue, Oct 8, 2019 at 9:01 AM Sander Steffann wrote: Hi, > A new RIPE Policy proposal, 2019-06, "Multiple Editorial Changes

Re: [address-policy-wg] 2019-08 New Policy Proposal (RPKI ROAs for Unallocated and Unassigned RIPE NCC Address Space) to be discussed on Routing Working Group Mailing List

2019-11-01 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg
Mmmm ... often those conversations are really difficult to catch for non-native English speakers. And just in case ... I was not there during the Inquisition, neither, of course, agree which all the barbarities done at that time. Also don't agree that any RIR should be the police, is only about

Re: [address-policy-wg] 2019-08 New Policy Proposal (RPKI ROAs for Unallocated and Unassigned RIPE NCC Address Space) to be discussed on Routing Working Group Mailing List

2019-11-01 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg
I guess I don't have sufficient time to see enough films of TV shows ... Regards, Jordi @jordipalet El 1/11/19 11:52, "address-policy-wg en nombre de Brian Nisbet" escribió: Jordi, Ah, the Spanish Inquisition reference is a Month Python reference. https://en.wikiped

Re: [address-policy-wg] 2019-08 New Policy Proposal (RPKI ROAs for Unallocated and Unassigned RIPE NCC Address Space) to be discussed on Routing Working Group Mailing List

2019-11-01 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg
ose expressions. Some folks go away from the thread doing so, instead of facilitating participation, or if I can say, even inclusiveness. Regards, Jordi @jordipalet El 1/11/19 12:04, "Nick Hilliard" escribió: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg wrote on 01/11/2019 10:5

Re: [address-policy-wg] cultural idioms in RIPE discussions

2019-11-01 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg
he last email that you read. Not sure if that's a broken way, but I do sometimes. Regards, Jordi @jordipalet El 1/11/19 13:27, "address-policy-wg en nombre de Jim Reid" escribió: > On 1 Nov 2019, at 11:14, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg wrote:

Re: [address-policy-wg] cultural idioms in RIPE discussions

2019-11-01 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg
1 X8N7, Ireland +35316609040 brian.nis...@heanet.ie www.heanet.ie Registered in Ireland, No. 275301. CRA No. 20036270 > -Original Message----- > From: address-policy-wg On Behalf > Of JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg > Sent: Friday 1 November 2

Re: [address-policy-wg] 2019-06 Review Phase Extended (Multiple Editorial Changes in IPv6 Policy)

2020-01-13 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg
Hi Abdullah, I don’t think that will be good. In fact, in many cases, we have a hard time to understand the text of the rest of the policy text if we don’t rely in a very good set of definitions. However, I just noticed something that could be removed: “[Note: some of these definition

Re: [address-policy-wg] 2019-06 Review Phase Extended (Multiple Editorial Changes in IPv6 Policy)

2020-01-14 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg
in. Kind regards, -- Petrit Hasani Policy Officer RIPE NCC > On 13 Jan 2020, at 22:18, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg wrote: > > Hi Abdullah, > > I don’t think that will be good. In fact, in many cases, we have a

Re: [address-policy-wg] RIPE 79 Address Policy WG Draft Minutes

2020-05-12 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg
Hi Petrit, all, I just read them and look fine to me. Thanks! Regards, Jordi @jordipalet El 12/5/20 15:12, "address-policy-wg en nombre de Petrit Hasani" escribió: Dear colleagues, The draft minutes from the Address Policy Working Group sessions at RIPE 79 have now been publis

[address-policy-wg] policy compliance dashboard

2020-05-13 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg
After my comment in the Addressing Policy meeting, I decided to go ahead with this email, maybe it can a provocation for some inputs in the open mic ... Note that this text is from my AFRINIC proposal (to make it quick now), so disregard parts that may not correctly matches the RIPE NCC situati

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