Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum

2020-04-26 Thread Ken Hohhof
Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum Agreed, but unfortunately guvment doesn't work that way On Apr 26, 2020, at 11:57 AM, Mike Hammett mailto:af...@ics-il.net> > wrote: Seems like in times where we're overturning old, silly decisions, there should be more us

Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum

2020-04-26 Thread Mike Hammett
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2020 1:47:38 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum Agreed, but unfortunately guvment doesn't work that way On Apr 26, 2020, at 11:57 AM, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: Seems like

Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum

2020-04-26 Thread Tim Hardy
; > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > From: "Tim Hardy" > To: "AnimalFarm Microw

Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum

2020-04-26 Thread Steve Jones
icensed spectrum to the >> common man/small business. >> >> >> >> So the question is who can utilize this spectrum? >> >> >> >> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020, 6:35 PM Tim Hardy wrote: >> >> >> >> FCC has total authority over the

Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum

2020-04-26 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
it was WISPA I think other companies had there fingers in > it WISPA isnt that big in DC like some of these other companies. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -Original Message- > >> From: "Matt Hoppes" >

Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum

2020-04-26 Thread Mike Hammett
WISP - Original Message - From: "Tim Hardy" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2020 10:55:18 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum That’s what Part 101 licensees back in the day requested but NAB and the broadcasters rai

Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum

2020-04-26 Thread Tim Hardy
w.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > From: "Chuck McCown" > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" > Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2020 8:48:12

Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum

2020-04-26 Thread Mike Hammett
#x27;t it all just be part 101? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Tim Hardy" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2020 7:14:55 AM Subject: Re

Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum

2020-04-26 Thread Chuck McCown
101? > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > > Midwest Internet Exchange > > The Brothers WISP > > > > > From: "Tim Hardy" > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" > Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2020

Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum

2020-04-26 Thread Mike Hammett
arm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2020 7:14:55 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum Actually, they are eligible but only in the same areas that other Part 101 licensees would be eligible. They are not eligible under Part 74. On Apr 26, 2020, at 8:10 AM, T

Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum

2020-04-26 Thread Adam Moffett
other companies had there fingers in it WISPA isnt that big in DC like some of these other companies. -Original Message- From: "Matt Hoppes" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Date: 04/23/20 10:14 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed

Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum

2020-04-26 Thread Tim Hardy
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >> From: "Caleb Knauer" > <mailto:cknauer.li...@gmail.com>> >> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" > <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> >> Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 4:46:41 PM >&

Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum

2020-04-26 Thread Tim Hardy
//www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > From: "Caleb Knauer" <mailto:cknauer.li...@gmail.com>> > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> > Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 4:46:41 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ne

Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum

2020-04-26 Thread Tim Hardy
mpanies had there fingers in it >> WISPA isnt that big in DC like some of these other companies. >> >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: "Matt Hoppes" >> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Grou

Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum

2020-04-25 Thread Mike Hammett
be nice for indoor WiFi doesn’t make them go away, and the > service carried on those existing links is often critical traffic. > > > > From: AF On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser > Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 10:29 PM > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > Subj

Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum

2020-04-25 Thread Mike Hammett
: "Bill Prince" To: af@af.afmug.com Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 6:18:37 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum At some point, the WDC (Whole D*** Country) is going to have to figure out how to get our government's IT infrastructure out of the stone age. I would not be su

Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum

2020-04-24 Thread Bill Prince
ave Users Group" Date: 04/23/20 10:14 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum So did WISPA make this happen? Or was it the millions these companies dropped that made it happen? On Apr 23, 2020, at 9:51 PM, Eric Nielsen wrote: The primary influencers behind the rule change are s

Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum

2020-04-24 Thread Caleb Knauer
re are many existing links. Just >> > saying your spectrum would be nice for indoor WiFi doesn’t make them go >> > away, and the service carried on those existing links is often critical >> > traffic. >> > >> > >> > >> > From: AF

Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum

2020-04-24 Thread Jaime Solorza
is often critical traffic. > > > > > > > > From: AF On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser > > Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 10:29 PM > > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum > > > > > > > > H

Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum

2020-04-24 Thread Caleb Knauer
away, and the > service carried on those existing links is often critical traffic. > > > > From: AF On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser > Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 10:29 PM > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum > > &

Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum

2020-04-24 Thread Caleb Knauer
PA I think other companies had there fingers in it > WISPA isnt that big in DC like some of these other companies. > > > > > -Original Message- > From: "Matt Hoppes" > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" > Date: 04/23/20 10:14 > Subject: Re: [AFMUG

Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum

2020-04-24 Thread Tim Hardy
;> >> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 7:30 PM Erich Kaiser > <mailto:er...@northcentraltower.com>> wrote: >> yes you are right. >> >> >> Erich Kaiser >> North Central Tower >> er...@northcentraltower.com <mailto:er...@northcentraltower.com> &

Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum

2020-04-24 Thread Mike Hammett
ot;AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" < af@af.afmug.com > Date: 04/23/20 10:14 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum So did WISPA make this happen? Or was it the millions these companies dropped that made it happen? On Apr 23, 2020, at 9:51 PM, Eric Nielsen < ericlniel...@gmail

Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum

2020-04-23 Thread Sean Heskett
gt;>>> er...@northcentraltower.com >>>>> Office: 815-570-3101 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 6:12 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>

Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum

2020-04-23 Thread Ken Hohhof
fic. From: AF On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 10:29 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum Honestly I think that 6ghz licensed is becoming less practical. As more and more fiber is run to the tower the 6ghz band would

Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum

2020-04-23 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
Users Group" > Date: 04/23/20 10:14 > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum > > So did WISPA make this happen? Or was it the millions these companies > dropped that made it happen? > > On Apr 23, 2020, at 9:51 PM, Eric Nielsen wrote: > > The primary influence

Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum

2020-04-23 Thread Tim Withrow via AF
fingers in it WISPA isnt that big in DC like some of these other companies.   -Original Message- From: "Matt Hoppes" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Date: 04/23/20 10:14 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum So did WISPA make this happen?  Or was i

Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum

2020-04-23 Thread Tim Reichhart
I dont think it was WISPA I think other companies had there fingers in it WISPA isnt that big in DC like some of these other companies.   -Original Message- From: "Matt Hoppes" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Date: 04/23/20 10:14 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New

Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum

2020-04-23 Thread Matt Hoppes
orthcentraltower.com >>>>> Office: 815-570-3101 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 6:12 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: >>>>>> More like 4.9 to 7. >>

Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum

2020-04-23 Thread Eric Nielsen
Central Tower >>>> er...@northcentraltower.com >>>> Office: 815-570-3101 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 6:12 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: >>>> >>>>> More like 4.9 to 7. >>&

Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum

2020-04-23 Thread TJ Trout
at 6:12 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: >>> >>>> More like 4.9 to 7. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Erich Kaiser >>>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 23, 2020 5:35 PM >>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>

Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum

2020-04-23 Thread Tim Hardy
;> >>> >>> >>> *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Erich Kaiser >>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 23, 2020 5:35 PM >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum >>> >>> >>> >>>

Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum

2020-04-23 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
t; > On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 6:12 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: > >> More like 4.9 to 7. >> >> >> >> *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Erich Kaiser >> *Sent:* Thursday, April 23, 2020 5:35 PM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG

Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum

2020-04-23 Thread Erich Kaiser
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum > > > > Two of the UNII bands are heavily used for licensed PTP and I mean > heavily, so really if the AFC system works correctly most of the spectrum > proposed will likely be unuseabl

Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum

2020-04-23 Thread Ken Hohhof
More like 4.9 to 7. From: AF On Behalf Of Erich Kaiser Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 5:35 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum Two of the UNII bands are heavily used for licensed PTP and I mean heavily, so really if the AFC system works

Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum

2020-04-23 Thread Erich Kaiser
Two of the UNII bands are heavily used for licensed PTP and I mean heavily, so really if the AFC system works correctly most of the spectrum proposed will likely be unuseable outdoor. I feel like from a reliability standpoint it will be tough to count on a system that uses AFC in general. What a

Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum

2020-04-23 Thread Sean Heskett
from Fred Goldstein via the wispa list: "There are really two different types of devices approved today. A Standard Power device, allowed +36 dBm EIRP, must communicate daily with an AFC that determines what frequencies are available at its location. It must have geolocation. (We are waiting to se

Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum

2020-04-23 Thread Jaime Solorza
Yep...lots of buzz from this On Thu, Apr 23, 2020, 3:47 PM Sean Heskett wrote: > WISPA said they are waiting for them to release the order. they are > hoping it's 36db...there's a chance it's only 30db. > > On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 3:42 PM Tim Withrow via AF > wrote: > >> I learned that the FCC

Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum

2020-04-23 Thread Sean Heskett
WISPA said they are waiting for them to release the order. they are hoping it's 36db...there's a chance it's only 30db. On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 3:42 PM Tim Withrow via AF wrote: > I learned that the FCC approved 1200Mhz of unlicensed spectrum in 6 > Gigahertz today. > > any idea what Eirp they

[AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum

2020-04-23 Thread Tim Withrow via AF
I learned that the FCC approved 1200Mhz of unlicensed spectrum in 6 Gigahertz today. any idea what Eirp they approved for fixed wireless? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com