Re: [AFMUG] Winston Privacy

[Ken Hohhof]

Aha, distributed mesh network, I assume that means routing your traffic via 
other Winston devices.  I assumed they would need a cloud server function, but 
I take it their “cloud” is a mesh of other Winston users.

 

I think Ooma started out that way, if you weren’t using your POTS line, it 
would route other Ooma users calls through you.  But they transitioned to a 
conventional VoIP model.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Dan Spitler
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2019 7:23 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Winston Privacy

 

Oh boy

https://support.winstonprivacy.com/hc/en-us/articles/360027638111-Am-I-responsible-for-other-users-activity-that-is-routed-through-my-Winston-via-the-Distributed-Privacy-Mesh-Network-

Let the random abuse complaints begin!

 

On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 5:17 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

Customer called today, he got one of these devices via some sort of 
kickstarter.  They tell him to put it on the Internet side of his router, and 
that it should just work.  It doesn’t, and he then has no Internet.  We use 
PPPoE.  I don’t see how this thing can work, unless it does the PPPoE and 
essentially takes  the place of the router.  When he called them, of course the 
told him that his ISP needs to “open ports”.

 

https://winstonprivacy.com/

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Winston Privacy

[Chuck McCown]

I’d rather fight than switch.  You can take Salem out of the country...  you’ve 
come a long way baby... Hi Karate!!!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 12, 2019, at 9:19 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> He says their tech support tells him CPE – Winston – Router.
>  
> Maybe that would work if “CPE” is actually something like a cable modem / 
> residential gateway.  But in that case the gateway would normally have WiFi 
> and the customer wouldn’t have another router.
>  
> Why am I hearing the jingle “Winston tastes good like a cigarette should”?  
> Not as good as the Marlboro Man theme song (aka Magnificent Seven theme).  
> Hard to believe how accepted cigarette smoking once was.  Of course now we 
> have vapes.
>  
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Daniel White
> Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2019 9:51 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Winston Privacy
>  
> Well sounds like the Router needs to be a "modem"... i.e. disable NAT, 
> firewall, etc.  So CPE -- Router -- Winston -- Switch/Wireless AP
> 
> What a mess :-)
>  
> 
> Daniel White
> Co-Founder - Business Development & Operations
> phone: +1 (702) 470-2766
> direct: +1 (702) 470-2770
> Ken Hohhof wrote on 9/12/19 18:16:
> 
> Customer called today, he got one of these devices via some sort of 
> kickstarter.  They tell him to put it on the Internet side of his router, and 
> that it should just work.  It doesn’t, and he then has no Internet.  We use 
> PPPoE.  I don’t see how this thing can work, unless it does the PPPoE and 
> essentially takes  the place of the router.  When he called them, of course 
> the told him that his ISP needs to “open ports”.
>  
> https://winstonprivacy.com/
>  
> Of course, the customer is also an Applehead.
> 
> 
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Re: [AFMUG] Winston Privacy

[Ken Hohhof]

He says their tech support tells him CPE - Winston - Router.

 

Maybe that would work if "CPE" is actually something like a cable modem /
residential gateway.  But in that case the gateway would normally have WiFi
and the customer wouldn't have another router.

 

Why am I hearing the jingle "Winston tastes good like a cigarette should"?
Not as good as the Marlboro Man theme song (aka Magnificent Seven theme).
Hard to believe how accepted cigarette smoking once was.  Of course now we
have vapes.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Daniel White
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2019 9:51 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Winston Privacy

 

Well sounds like the Router needs to be a "modem"... i.e. disable NAT,
firewall, etc.  So CPE -- Router -- Winston -- Switch/Wireless AP

What a mess :-)

 


 
 


Daniel White
Co-Founder - Business Development & Operations


phone: +1 (702) 470-2766
direct: +1 (702) 470-2770



Ken Hohhof wrote on 9/12/19 18:16:



Customer called today, he got one of these devices via some sort of
kickstarter.  They tell him to put it on the Internet side of his router,
and that it should just work.  It doesn't, and he then has no Internet.  We
use PPPoE.  I don't see how this thing can work, unless it does the PPPoE
and essentially takes  the place of the router.  When he called them, of
course the told him that his ISP needs to "open ports".

 

https://winstonprivacy.com/

 

Of course, the customer is also an Applehead.





 

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Re: [AFMUG] Is it common to share IPs with outside companies?

[Ken Hohhof]

Those sound like euphemisms for click fraud and out-of-region video streaming.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck Macenski
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2019 7:32 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] Is it common to share IPs with outside companies?

 

I just became aware of a company that pays to tunnel into your network and use 
your IPs to send their internet traffic. They then sell their access into your 
system for "competitive market research, QoE for large companies, and ad 
verification products." 

Their service sounds like an ideal platform from which to launch social media 
campaigns or DDoS attacks (they don't mention that in the glossy brochure.) Is 
this sort of thing used by anyone here? If so, how do you know what they are 
doing with your IPs?

Chuck

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Re: [AFMUG] Is it common to share IPs with outside companies?

[Colin Stanners]

I would venture that few companie here do that, and that any that do tend
to turn a blind eye to somewhat-legal-but-questionable activities (blogspam
etc) as long as there is no contact from authorities and the cheques keep
coming in.

On Thu, Sep 12, 2019, 7:32 PM Chuck Macenski  wrote:

> I just became aware of a company that pays to tunnel into your network and
> use your IPs to send their internet traffic. They then sell their access
> into your system for "competitive market research, QoE for large companies,
> and ad verification products."
>
> Their service sounds like an ideal platform from which to launch social
> media campaigns or DDoS attacks (they don't mention that in the glossy
> brochure.) Is this sort of thing used by anyone here? If so, how do you
> know what they are doing with your IPs?
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Winston Privacy

[Daniel White]

Well sounds like the Router needs to be a "modem"... i.e. disable NAT, 
firewall, etc.  So CPE -- Router -- Winston -- Switch/Wireless AP


What a mess :-)

photograph  
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Co-Founder - Business Development & Operations
phone: +1 (702) 470-2766
direct:+1 (702) 470-2770

Ken Hohhof wrote on 9/12/19 18:16:


Customer called today, he got one of these devices via some sort of 
kickstarter.  They tell him to put it on the Internet side of his 
router, and that it should just work.  It doesn’t, and he then has no 
Internet.  We use PPPoE.  I don’t see how this thing can work, unless 
it does the PPPoE and essentially takes  the place of the router.  
When he called them, of course the told him that his ISP needs to 
“open ports”.


https://winstonprivacy.com/

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[AFMUG] Is it common to share IPs with outside companies?

[Chuck Macenski]

I just became aware of a company that pays to tunnel into your network and
use your IPs to send their internet traffic. They then sell their access
into your system for "competitive market research, QoE for large companies,
and ad verification products."

Their service sounds like an ideal platform from which to launch social
media campaigns or DDoS attacks (they don't mention that in the glossy
brochure.) Is this sort of thing used by anyone here? If so, how do you
know what they are doing with your IPs?

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Re: [AFMUG] Winston Privacy

[Dan Spitler]

Oh boy
https://support.winstonprivacy.com/hc/en-us/articles/360027638111-Am-I-responsible-for-other-users-activity-that-is-routed-through-my-Winston-via-the-Distributed-Privacy-Mesh-Network-
Let the random abuse complaints begin!

On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 5:17 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Customer called today, he got one of these devices via some sort of
> kickstarter.  They tell him to put it on the Internet side of his router,
> and that it should just work.  It doesn’t, and he then has no Internet.  We
> use PPPoE.  I don’t see how this thing can work, unless it does the PPPoE
> and essentially takes  the place of the router.  When he called them, of
> course the told him that his ISP needs to “open ports”.
>
>
>
> https://winstonprivacy.com/
>
>
>
> Of course, the customer is also an Applehead.
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[AFMUG] Winston Privacy

[Ken Hohhof]

Customer called today, he got one of these devices via some sort of
kickstarter.  They tell him to put it on the Internet side of his router,
and that it should just work.  It doesn't, and he then has no Internet.  We
use PPPoE.  I don't see how this thing can work, unless it does the PPPoE
and essentially takes  the place of the router.  When he called them, of
course the told him that his ISP needs to "open ports".

 

https://winstonprivacy.com/

 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT iPad question

[Steve Jones]

if you had to use an ipad for more than 30 minutes while travelling, youd
end up in custody. surface is the best choice, second best assuming you
have reliable data is any device that will support teamviewer and a
bluetooth mouse/rollout keyboard. then just teamviewer back to a real
desktop, tv does the best native desktop with all peripheral support, but
it starts at 700 a year once you get flagged for business use.

for a while they were showing keyboards the projected off your device onto
the table, was that something that actually turned out?

On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 9:40 AM Mathew Howard  wrote:

> If you can carry that touch screen around and use it, sure.
>
> On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 8:41 AM Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
>> So are desktop computers with touch screens suddenly tablets because you
>> can unplug the keyboard?
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 9, 2019 at 5:08 PM Mathew Howard 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Well, I would say the Surface really is a tablet, since the keyboard is
>>> detachable. That makes it more of a tablet that can transform into an
>>> ultraportable laptop that can transform into a desktop...
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 9, 2019 at 12:18 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>>
 It sounds like you are settling on a very good choice.  But it’s not
 really an iPad or any kind or pad or tab, it’s more of an ultraportable
 laptop with a touchscreen display that can transform into a desktop.



 Which is fine.  I used to say an iPad isn’t a small computer, it’s a
 big phone.  I don’t think that has really changed.  What has changed is the
 average person is no longer interested in having a computer, they want a
 smartphone, and/or a handheld Netflix viewing device.  But for actual
 computer work, phones and tablets are pretty lame.  Not sure where a
 Chromebook fits.





 *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
 *Sent:* Monday, September 9, 2019 11:55 AM
 *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT iPad question



 See, all of the hard questions that come up in life can always be
 answered right here.

 Thanks.



 *From:* Jason Wilson

 *Sent:* Monday, September 9, 2019 10:44 AM

 *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT iPad question



 https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/p/surface-dock/8qrh2npz0s0p


 All the ports you need

 With two high-definition video ports, a gigabit Ethernet port, four USB
 3.0 ports, and an audio output, you have all the connections you need.
 Transform your Surface into a desktop PC by plugging in your Dock with the
 Surface Connect cable.



 On Mon, Sep 9, 2019 at 9:21 AM  wrote:

 Dock to a nice large monitor, a normal sized keyboard and mouse.

 Be nice to drop it into a slot when I am at the office.



 *From:* Josh Luthman

 *Sent:* Monday, September 9, 2019 8:54 AM

 *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT iPad question



 Dock to what?  It's got a keyboard and stand built in.



 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 
 Suite 1337
 
 Troy, OH 45373
 





 On Mon, Sep 9, 2019 at 10:34 AM  wrote:

 Be nice if they had a docking adapter.



 *From:* Dennis Burgess via AF

 *Sent:* Monday, September 9, 2019 8:30 AM

 *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

 *Cc:* Dennis Burgess

 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT iPad question



 Get a surface.  Bout the same size, full workstation.  Vs icrap .:)





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 *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
 *Sent:* Sunday, September 8, 2019 12:44 PM
 *To:* af@af.afmug.com
 *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT iPad question



 My wife is busy (for months) planning some travel for this fall.  She
 told me I am not taking my laptop.  Too big, too heavy etc etc.  (I
 

Re: [AFMUG] Apple, Cambium, Mikrotik and DHCP

[Steve Jones]

If you get the opportunity to replicate it, and can get on the device, call
apple tech support to walk through solving it. once you find the issue,
leave instruction cards with front desk to provide the user. or leave
instructions with the terms for them to use when calling apple support
themselves. same thing with the airports going into ap mode, once we
trained customers to ask apple how to get it out of access point mode, they
were able to get the problem solved via apple support. even though its an
oddly worded setting on the management app you have to uncheck

On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 5:54 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

> The rule is: One Apple device, ALL Apple devices. Apple does not play
> well with others.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 9/12/2019 2:26 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> > Years ago I searched for every tip on making iDevices happy and
> implemented
> > all of them, now I'm scared to undo any of it, and I don't know if any or
> > all of them are helping.
> >
> > I think the list included setting preamble to long, WMM on, lengthening
> the
> > group key timeout, maybe some others I'm forgetting.  Also Apple seems to
> > prefer 5 GHz even if 2.4 GHz has  a better signal.  Not sure if any of
> that
> > is relevant.
> >
> > I don't have any E400's so I can't comment on that.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
> > Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2019 10:52 AM
> > To: Animal Farm 
> > Subject: [AFMUG] Apple, Cambium, Mikrotik and DHCP
> >
> > I'm doing WIFI at a Hotel using E400 Ap's and Mikrotik hotspot. About
> once a
> > week, there will be a device, it always seems like an Apple Device, that
> > refuses to get a DHCP lease.  The Mikrotik Log fills with entries
> >
> > dhcp offering lease 'IP' for 'MAC' without success
> >
> > If I go in through CNMaestro and kick the user, they will re-associate
> > either to the same AP or a different AP, and then immediately get a DHCP
> > Lease.  There are other people on the AP working just fine.
> >
> > Is there something about Apple products, like it's in a sleep mode when
> it
> > connects to the WIFI and doesn't request the DHCP Properly when it wakes
> up
> > until it re-associates?
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Re: [AFMUG] Apple, Cambium, Mikrotik and DHCP

[Bill Prince]

The rule is: One Apple device, ALL Apple devices. Apple does not play 
well with others.



bp


On 9/12/2019 2:26 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Years ago I searched for every tip on making iDevices happy and implemented
all of them, now I'm scared to undo any of it, and I don't know if any or
all of them are helping.

I think the list included setting preamble to long, WMM on, lengthening the
group key timeout, maybe some others I'm forgetting.  Also Apple seems to
prefer 5 GHz even if 2.4 GHz has  a better signal.  Not sure if any of that
is relevant.

I don't have any E400's so I can't comment on that.

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2019 10:52 AM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] Apple, Cambium, Mikrotik and DHCP

I'm doing WIFI at a Hotel using E400 Ap's and Mikrotik hotspot. About once a
week, there will be a device, it always seems like an Apple Device, that
refuses to get a DHCP lease.  The Mikrotik Log fills with entries

dhcp offering lease 'IP' for 'MAC' without success

If I go in through CNMaestro and kick the user, they will re-associate
either to the same AP or a different AP, and then immediately get a DHCP
Lease.  There are other people on the AP working just fine.

Is there something about Apple products, like it's in a sleep mode when it
connects to the WIFI and doesn't request the DHCP Properly when it wakes up
until it re-associates?

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Re: [AFMUG] Buried fiber cost?

[Adam Moffett]

We've paid anything from $5.50/foot for plowing up to $45/foot for a 
difficult bore.

That's contractors, not in-house.
It's so situational that it's dangerous to assume a particular number.  
You need someone experienced in that work in that locality to drive the 
route and give you an estimate.


I'd be wary of simple answers.


On 9/12/2019 6:44 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
I have done it at $13 before, but as long as I keep winning work at 
higher figures that is where I will be.

*From:* Josh Luthman
*Sent:* Thursday, September 12, 2019 4:42 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Buried fiber cost?
I had three contractors bid last month and 13 was the highest.  It was 
also next spring at the earliest.

Josh Luthman
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Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 6:32 PM  wrote:

It would be a hungry day before I did boring at $13.
Normally my rock bottom price is $16 and I typically get $18 and
as much as $23 for one job.
*From:* Josh Luthman
*Sent:* Thursday, September 12, 2019 4:26 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Buried fiber cost?
$9-13 a foot for boring through dirt beside road, if it's rock
that needs bored it's "we need to negotiate this"
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 5:35 PM  wrote:

If you are talking just the construction, not the materials I
generally get $4.50 to $5.50/foot for plowing.
I know others that will do it for around $2.75 for larger jobs.
Concrete/Rock I quote at $50/foot and currently, at the
moment, I am losing money on a 2000’ stretch at that rate.
30 feet burned through $2000 of carbide teeth on a Vermeer
rock wheel a week or so ago.
*From:* Gino A. Villarini
*Sent:* Thursday, September 12, 2019 2:01 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Buried fiber cost?

A: concrete

B: dirt next to road

*From: *AF  on behalf of Colin
Stanners 
*Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Date: *Thursday, September 12, 2019 at 3:29 PM
*To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Buried fiber cost?

In the road (concrete or gravel?) or in dirt next to the road?

On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 2:21 PM Gino A. Villarini
 wrote:

What’s the avg cost for road trenched fiber these days?

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Re: [AFMUG] Buried fiber cost?

[chuck]

I have done it at $13 before, but as long as I keep winning work at higher 
figures that is where I will be.  

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2019 4:42 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Buried fiber cost?

I had three contractors bid last month and 13 was the highest.  It was also 
next spring at the earliest.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 6:32 PM  wrote:

  It would be a hungry day before I did boring at $13.  
  Normally my rock bottom price is $16 and I typically get $18 and as much as 
$23 for one job.  

  From: Josh Luthman 
  Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2019 4:26 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Buried fiber cost?

  $9-13 a foot for boring through dirt beside road, if it's rock that needs 
bored it's "we need to negotiate this"


  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373


  On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 5:35 PM  wrote:

If you are talking just the construction, not the materials I generally get 
$4.50 to $5.50/foot for plowing.
I know others that will do it for around $2.75 for larger jobs.

Concrete/Rock I quote at $50/foot and currently, at the moment, I am losing 
money on a 2000’ stretch at that rate.
30 feet burned through $2000 of carbide teeth on a Vermeer rock wheel a 
week or so ago.  

From: Gino A. Villarini 
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2019 2:01 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Buried fiber cost?

A: concrete

B: dirt next to road 



From: AF  on behalf of Colin Stanners 

Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Date: Thursday, September 12, 2019 at 3:29 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Buried fiber cost?



In the road (concrete or gravel?) or in dirt next to the road?



On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 2:21 PM Gino A. Villarini  
wrote:

  What’s the avg cost for road trenched fiber these days? 

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Re: [AFMUG] Buried fiber cost?

[Josh Luthman]

I had three contractors bid last month and 13 was the highest.  It was also
next spring at the earliest.

Josh Luthman
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Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 6:32 PM  wrote:

> It would be a hungry day before I did boring at $13.
> Normally my rock bottom price is $16 and I typically get $18 and as much
> as $23 for one job.
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 12, 2019 4:26 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Buried fiber cost?
>
> $9-13 a foot for boring through dirt beside road, if it's rock that needs
> bored it's "we need to negotiate this"
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 5:35 PM  wrote:
>
>> If you are talking just the construction, not the materials I generally
>> get $4.50 to $5.50/foot for plowing.
>> I know others that will do it for around $2.75 for larger jobs.
>>
>> Concrete/Rock I quote at $50/foot and currently, at the moment, I am
>> losing money on a 2000’ stretch at that rate.
>> 30 feet burned through $2000 of carbide teeth on a Vermeer rock wheel a
>> week or so ago.
>>
>> *From:* Gino A. Villarini
>> *Sent:* Thursday, September 12, 2019 2:01 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Buried fiber cost?
>>
>>
>> A: concrete
>>
>> B: dirt next to road
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *AF  on behalf of Colin Stanners <
>> cstann...@gmail.com>
>> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Date: *Thursday, September 12, 2019 at 3:29 PM
>> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Buried fiber cost?
>>
>>
>>
>> In the road (concrete or gravel?) or in dirt next to the road?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 2:21 PM Gino A. Villarini 
>> wrote:
>>
>> What’s the avg cost for road trenched fiber these days?
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Buried fiber cost?

[chuck]

It would be a hungry day before I did boring at $13.  
Normally my rock bottom price is $16 and I typically get $18 and as much as $23 
for one job.  

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2019 4:26 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Buried fiber cost?

$9-13 a foot for boring through dirt beside road, if it's rock that needs bored 
it's "we need to negotiate this"


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 5:35 PM  wrote:

  If you are talking just the construction, not the materials I generally get 
$4.50 to $5.50/foot for plowing.
  I know others that will do it for around $2.75 for larger jobs.

  Concrete/Rock I quote at $50/foot and currently, at the moment, I am losing 
money on a 2000’ stretch at that rate.
  30 feet burned through $2000 of carbide teeth on a Vermeer rock wheel a week 
or so ago.  

  From: Gino A. Villarini 
  Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2019 2:01 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Buried fiber cost?

  A: concrete

  B: dirt next to road 



  From: AF  on behalf of Colin Stanners 

  Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Date: Thursday, September 12, 2019 at 3:29 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
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  In the road (concrete or gravel?) or in dirt next to the road?



  On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 2:21 PM Gino A. Villarini  wrote:

What’s the avg cost for road trenched fiber these days? 

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Re: [AFMUG] Buried fiber cost?

[Josh Luthman]

$9-13 a foot for boring through dirt beside road, if it's rock that needs
bored it's "we need to negotiate this"

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 5:35 PM  wrote:

> If you are talking just the construction, not the materials I generally
> get $4.50 to $5.50/foot for plowing.
> I know others that will do it for around $2.75 for larger jobs.
>
> Concrete/Rock I quote at $50/foot and currently, at the moment, I am
> losing money on a 2000’ stretch at that rate.
> 30 feet burned through $2000 of carbide teeth on a Vermeer rock wheel a
> week or so ago.
>
> *From:* Gino A. Villarini
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 12, 2019 2:01 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Buried fiber cost?
>
>
> A: concrete
>
> B: dirt next to road
>
>
>
> *From: *AF  on behalf of Colin Stanners <
> cstann...@gmail.com>
> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Date: *Thursday, September 12, 2019 at 3:29 PM
> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Buried fiber cost?
>
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>
> In the road (concrete or gravel?) or in dirt next to the road?
>
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 2:21 PM Gino A. Villarini 
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>
> What’s the avg cost for road trenched fiber these days?
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Re: [AFMUG] HTTPS redirect

[Steve Jones]

at one point in the past it was required if a copper line ran to a house,
it had to have dialtone with 911 capability. thats why i pull them off
houses and coil them on the pole. I dont know if its still the case, or if
it was local ordinance, but my buddies landlord got in trouble for cutting
the wire and thats what he was told

On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 2:03 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Right.  But if there is dial tone it has to be able to dial 0 and 911.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 12, 2019, at 12:47 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
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> Surely at some point the phone line gets physically disconnected.  When
> there's no dial tone they couldn't expect 911 to work..right?
>
> On 9/12/2019 2:41 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:
>
> i believe e911 rules require that they are able to dial 911 even if they
> are delinquent - but i'm not completely sure, that's what the trainer at a
> mikrotik class told me when this same question came up in class.
>
> -sean
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 4:35 PM Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
>> Is shutting someone off not an option if you offer VoIP?
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 11, 2019, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>
>>> have to do a DNS hijack but if you offer VoIP then you need to worry
>>> about 911 calls still going thru etc.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 10, 2019 at 4:06 PM Adam Moffett 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I already know the answer I think, but if you're redirection non-pay
 customers to a web page what do you do with (the majority) who have an
 HTTPS home page?

 do you
 A) present your own certificate and expect them to click through the
 warnings?
 B) Don't bother and just drop https?
 C) do something else?

 I told the boss if there was a way to do this then we should quit the
 ISP game and make a killing with phishing scams, but he seems to think
 there's a way to handle it.

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Re: [AFMUG] Buried fiber cost?

[chuck]

If you are talking just the construction, not the materials I generally get 
$4.50 to $5.50/foot for plowing.
I know others that will do it for around $2.75 for larger jobs.

Concrete/Rock I quote at $50/foot and currently, at the moment, I am losing 
money on a 2000’ stretch at that rate.
30 feet burned through $2000 of carbide teeth on a Vermeer rock wheel a week or 
so ago.  

From: Gino A. Villarini 
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2019 2:01 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Buried fiber cost?

A: concrete

B: dirt next to road 

 

From: AF  on behalf of Colin Stanners 

Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Date: Thursday, September 12, 2019 at 3:29 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Buried fiber cost?

 

In the road (concrete or gravel?) or in dirt next to the road?

 

On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 2:21 PM Gino A. Villarini  wrote:

  What’s the avg cost for road trenched fiber these days? 

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Re: [AFMUG] Apple, Cambium, Mikrotik and DHCP

[Ken Hohhof]

Years ago I searched for every tip on making iDevices happy and implemented
all of them, now I'm scared to undo any of it, and I don't know if any or
all of them are helping.

I think the list included setting preamble to long, WMM on, lengthening the
group key timeout, maybe some others I'm forgetting.  Also Apple seems to
prefer 5 GHz even if 2.4 GHz has  a better signal.  Not sure if any of that
is relevant.

I don't have any E400's so I can't comment on that.

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2019 10:52 AM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] Apple, Cambium, Mikrotik and DHCP

I'm doing WIFI at a Hotel using E400 Ap's and Mikrotik hotspot. About once a
week, there will be a device, it always seems like an Apple Device, that
refuses to get a DHCP lease.  The Mikrotik Log fills with entries

dhcp offering lease 'IP' for 'MAC' without success

If I go in through CNMaestro and kick the user, they will re-associate
either to the same AP or a different AP, and then immediately get a DHCP
Lease.  There are other people on the AP working just fine.

Is there something about Apple products, like it's in a sleep mode when it
connects to the WIFI and doesn't request the DHCP Properly when it wakes up
until it re-associates?

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Re: [AFMUG] Buried fiber cost?

[Colin Stanners]

Concrete: depends on density of buried utilities, traffic, how much
concrete that needs to be cut. I believe average for a few-days project is
$15-30 per foot.

Dirt next to road: in much of North America, $30-$50K per mile for rural or
low-density urban.

On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 3:02 PM Gino A. Villarini  wrote:

> A: concrete
>
> B: dirt next to road
>
>
>
> *From: *AF  on behalf of Colin Stanners <
> cstann...@gmail.com>
> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Date: *Thursday, September 12, 2019 at 3:29 PM
> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Buried fiber cost?
>
>
>
> In the road (concrete or gravel?) or in dirt next to the road?
>
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 2:21 PM Gino A. Villarini 
> wrote:
>
> What’s the avg cost for road trenched fiber these days?
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Buried fiber cost?

[Gino A. Villarini]

A: concrete
B: dirt next to road

From: AF  on behalf of Colin Stanners 

Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Date: Thursday, September 12, 2019 at 3:29 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Buried fiber cost?

In the road (concrete or gravel?) or in dirt next to the road?

On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 2:21 PM Gino A. Villarini 
mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
What’s the avg cost for road trenched fiber these days?

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Re: [AFMUG] GPON SFP switch?

[Gino A. Villarini]

Me neither… I just googled it!

From: AF  on behalf of Carl Peterson 

Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Date: Thursday, September 12, 2019 at 3:28 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] GPON SFP switch?

I had no idea such a thing existed.

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mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
You can always usea sfp cage extender :

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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] GPON SFP switch?

That isn't the sub, it is the headend.  Street price currently seems to be 
about ∞ if you need them right now.
If these are ever not vaporware it would open some amazing possibilities.  
Imagine a Siklu 10Gig ring with one or two of these hanging off of each one to 
feed a passive plant in a MDU.  (never mind the extra special gland you would 
need...)

On Tue, Sep 10, 2019 at 9:02 AM Dev 
mailto:d...@logicalwebhost.com>> wrote:
> GPON uses a TDMA system.
> The OLT handles the timing and scheduling.

Thanks so much for simple explanation Jim, please let all the salesmen in the 
OLT world know this is what is happening, they can’t explain the black magic 
(without a powerpoint showing a cloud shape).

> It seems they have moved to 10gpon:
> http://tibitcom.com/technology/

Thanks Gino for the link, apparently I’m not the only one who’s thinking about 
this. I wonder what the street price is for this, sounds expensive still per 
sub.
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Re: [AFMUG] Buried fiber cost?

[Colin Stanners]

In the road (concrete or gravel?) or in dirt next to the road?

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Re: [AFMUG] GPON SFP switch?

[Carl Peterson]

I had no idea such a thing existed.

On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 2:21 PM Gino A. Villarini  wrote:

> You can always usea sfp cage extender :
>
>
>
>
> https://www.benl.ebay.be/itm/28-0-7m-Extender-Passive-Network-Copper-Cable-10G-SFP-Male-to-SFP-Cage-Female-/151886991914
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> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] GPON SFP switch?
>
>
>
> That isn't the sub, it is the headend.  Street price currently seems to be
> about ∞ if you need them right now.
>
> If these are ever not vaporware it would open some amazing possibilities.
> Imagine a Siklu 10Gig ring with one or two of these hanging off of each one
> to feed a passive plant in a MDU.  (never mind the extra special gland you
> would need...)
>
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 10, 2019 at 9:02 AM Dev  wrote:
>
> > GPON uses a TDMA system.
> > The OLT handles the timing and scheduling.
>
> Thanks so much for simple explanation Jim, please let all the salesmen in
> the OLT world know this is what is happening, they can’t explain the black
> magic (without a powerpoint showing a cloud shape).
>
> > It seems they have moved to 10gpon:
> > http://tibitcom.com/technology/
>
> Thanks Gino for the link, apparently I’m not the only one who’s thinking
> about this. I wonder what the street price is for this, sounds expensive
> still per sub.
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[AFMUG] Buried fiber cost?

[Gino A. Villarini]

What’s the avg cost for road trenched fiber these days?

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Re: [AFMUG] GPON SFP switch?

[Gino A. Villarini]

You can always usea sfp cage extender :

https://www.benl.ebay.be/itm/28-0-7m-Extender-Passive-Network-Copper-Cable-10G-SFP-Male-to-SFP-Cage-Female-/151886991914



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From: AF  on behalf of Carl Peterson 

Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Date: Thursday, September 12, 2019 at 12:48 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] GPON SFP switch?

That isn't the sub, it is the headend.  Street price currently seems to be 
about ∞ if you need them right now.
If these are ever not vaporware it would open some amazing possibilities.  
Imagine a Siklu 10Gig ring with one or two of these hanging off of each one to 
feed a passive plant in a MDU.  (never mind the extra special gland you would 
need...)

On Tue, Sep 10, 2019 at 9:02 AM Dev 
mailto:d...@logicalwebhost.com>> wrote:
> GPON uses a TDMA system.
> The OLT handles the timing and scheduling.

Thanks so much for simple explanation Jim, please let all the salesmen in the 
OLT world know this is what is happening, they can’t explain the black magic 
(without a powerpoint showing a cloud shape).

> It seems they have moved to 10gpon:
> http://tibitcom.com/technology/

Thanks Gino for the link, apparently I’m not the only one who’s thinking about 
this. I wonder what the street price is for this, sounds expensive still per 
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Re: [AFMUG] HTTPS redirect

[Chuck McCown]

Right.  But if there is dial tone it has to be able to dial 0 and 911.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 12, 2019, at 12:47 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
> 
> Surely at some point the phone line gets physically disconnected.  When 
> there's no dial tone they couldn't expect 911 to work..right?
> 
>> On 9/12/2019 2:41 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:
>> i believe e911 rules require that they are able to dial 911 even if they are 
>> delinquent - but i'm not completely sure, that's what the trainer at a 
>> mikrotik class told me when this same question came up in class.
>> 
>> -sean
>> 
>> 
>>> On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 4:35 PM Jason McKemie 
>>>  wrote:
>>> Is shutting someone off not an option if you offer VoIP?
>>> 
 On Wednesday, September 11, 2019, Sean Heskett  wrote:
 have to do a DNS hijack but if you offer VoIP then you need to worry about 
 911 calls still going thru etc.
 
> On Tue, Sep 10, 2019 at 4:06 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:
> I already know the answer I think, but if you're redirection non-pay 
> customers to a web page what do you do with (the majority) who have an 
> HTTPS home page?
> 
> do you
> A) present your own certificate and expect them to click through the 
> warnings?
> B) Don't bother and just drop https?
> C) do something else?
> 
> I told the boss if there was a way to do this then we should quit the 
> ISP game and make a killing with phishing scams, but he seems to think 
> there's a way to handle it.
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Re: [AFMUG] HTTPS redirect

[Chuck McCown]

That’s the rule in Utah.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 12, 2019, at 12:41 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
> 
> i believe e911 rules require that they are able to dial 911 even if they are 
> delinquent - but i'm not completely sure, that's what the trainer at a 
> mikrotik class told me when this same question came up in class.
> 
> -sean
> 
> 
>> On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 4:35 PM Jason McKemie 
>>  wrote:
>> Is shutting someone off not an option if you offer VoIP?
>> 
>>> On Wednesday, September 11, 2019, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>> have to do a DNS hijack but if you offer VoIP then you need to worry about 
>>> 911 calls still going thru etc.
>>> 
 On Tue, Sep 10, 2019 at 4:06 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:
 I already know the answer I think, but if you're redirection non-pay 
 customers to a web page what do you do with (the majority) who have an 
 HTTPS home page?
 
 do you
 A) present your own certificate and expect them to click through the 
 warnings?
 B) Don't bother and just drop https?
 C) do something else?
 
 I told the boss if there was a way to do this then we should quit the 
 ISP game and make a killing with phishing scams, but he seems to think 
 there's a way to handle it.
 
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Re: [AFMUG] HTTPS redirect

[Adam Moffett]

Surely at some point the phone line gets physically disconnected. When 
there's no dial tone they couldn't expect 911 to work..right?


On 9/12/2019 2:41 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:
i believe e911 rules require that they are able to dial 911 even if 
they are delinquent - but i'm not completely sure, that's what the 
trainer at a mikrotik class told me when this same question came up in 
class.


-sean


On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 4:35 PM Jason McKemie 
> wrote:


Is shutting someone off not an option if you offer VoIP?

On Wednesday, September 11, 2019, Sean Heskett mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote:

have to do a DNS hijack but if you offer VoIP then you need to
worry about 911 calls still going thru etc.

On Tue, Sep 10, 2019 at 4:06 PM Adam Moffett
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I already know the answer I think, but if you're
redirection non-pay
customers to a web page what do you do with (the majority)
who have an
HTTPS home page?

do you
A) present your own certificate and expect them to click
through the
warnings?
B) Don't bother and just drop https?
C) do something else?

I told the boss if there was a way to do this then we
should quit the
ISP game and make a killing with phishing scams, but he
seems to think
there's a way to handle it.

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Re: [AFMUG] HTTPS redirect

[Sean Heskett]

i believe e911 rules require that they are able to dial 911 even if they
are delinquent - but i'm not completely sure, that's what the trainer at a
mikrotik class told me when this same question came up in class.

-sean


On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 4:35 PM Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> Is shutting someone off not an option if you offer VoIP?
>
> On Wednesday, September 11, 2019, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> have to do a DNS hijack but if you offer VoIP then you need to worry
>> about 911 calls still going thru etc.
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 10, 2019 at 4:06 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>>
>>> I already know the answer I think, but if you're redirection non-pay
>>> customers to a web page what do you do with (the majority) who have an
>>> HTTPS home page?
>>>
>>> do you
>>> A) present your own certificate and expect them to click through the
>>> warnings?
>>> B) Don't bother and just drop https?
>>> C) do something else?
>>>
>>> I told the boss if there was a way to do this then we should quit the
>>> ISP game and make a killing with phishing scams, but he seems to think
>>> there's a way to handle it.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Adam
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Re: [AFMUG] Disney+ will launch with 17 4K titles

[Bill Prince]

  
  
Different services also compress at different levels. Is it still
  HD if it is compressed HD? I say this because I have throttled
  Netflix down to 1.5 Mbps, and it still says "HD" in the corner.
  Amazon Prime will choke at that throttle level.


bp



On 9/12/2019 8:49 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


  https://www.theverge.com/2019/9/12/20862167/free-disney-plus-hands-on-pilot-
marvel

 

And you can bet people will watch half of them in their first month.  17 may
not sound like a lot, plus you may say who cares about Disney, but with the
new streaming entrants competing fiercely for customers, I think 4K is going
to be a thing.  I don't think we can dismiss it as nobody streams in 4K.
Seems like 4K content will be something they compete on, although the
current thing seems to  be lowball prices which I suspect cannot last
forever.

 

Something I wonder about is whether there will be multiple video qualities
of UHD, just like HD can go from about 2.5M to about 6M.  I swear I am
seeing customers streaming at 10M, I don't know if that is some form of
super super HD, or a lite version of UHD which I normally expect to use 15
to 25M.



  
  

  


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Re: [AFMUG] GPON SFP switch?

[Carl Peterson]

That isn't the sub, it is the headend.  Street price currently seems to be
about ∞ if you need them right now.
If these are ever not vaporware it would open some amazing possibilities.
Imagine a Siklu 10Gig ring with one or two of these hanging off of each one
to feed a passive plant in a MDU.  (never mind the extra special gland you
would need...)

On Tue, Sep 10, 2019 at 9:02 AM Dev  wrote:

> > GPON uses a TDMA system.
> > The OLT handles the timing and scheduling.
>
> Thanks so much for simple explanation Jim, please let all the salesmen in
> the OLT world know this is what is happening, they can’t explain the black
> magic (without a powerpoint showing a cloud shape).
>
> > It seems they have moved to 10gpon:
> > http://tibitcom.com/technology/
>
> Thanks Gino for the link, apparently I’m not the only one who’s thinking
> about this. I wonder what the street price is for this, sounds expensive
> still per sub.
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Re: [AFMUG] Disney+ will launch with 17 4K titles

[Adam Moffett]

UHD needs minimum 17mbps, but can use up to 30mbps if it's available.  
Yes, just like the multiple HD formats.



On 9/12/2019 11:49 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


https://www.theverge.com/2019/9/12/20862167/free-disney-plus-hands-on-pilot-marvel

And you can bet people will watch half of them in their first month.  
17 may not sound like a lot, plus you may say who cares about Disney, 
but with the new streaming entrants competing fiercely for customers, 
I think 4K is going to be a thing.  I don’t think we can dismiss it as 
nobody streams in 4K.  Seems like 4K content will be something they 
compete on, although the current thing seems to  be lowball prices 
which I suspect cannot last forever.


Something I wonder about is whether there will be multiple video 
qualities of UHD, just like HD can go from about 2.5M to about 6M.  I 
swear I am seeing customers streaming at 10M, I don’t know if that is 
some form of super super HD, or a lite version of UHD which I normally 
expect to use 15 to 25M.





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Re: [AFMUG] Disney+ will launch with 17 4K titles

[chuck]

When do we get to subscribe?

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2019 9:49 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: [AFMUG] Disney+ will launch with 17 4K titles

https://www.theverge.com/2019/9/12/20862167/free-disney-plus-hands-on-pilot-marvel

 

And you can bet people will watch half of them in their first month.  17 may 
not sound like a lot, plus you may say who cares about Disney, but with the new 
streaming entrants competing fiercely for customers, I think 4K is going to be 
a thing.  I don’t think we can dismiss it as nobody streams in 4K.  Seems like 
4K content will be something they compete on, although the current thing seems 
to  be lowball prices which I suspect cannot last forever.

 

Something I wonder about is whether there will be multiple video qualities of 
UHD, just like HD can go from about 2.5M to about 6M.  I swear I am seeing 
customers streaming at 10M, I don’t know if that is some form of super super 
HD, or a lite version of UHD which I normally expect to use 15 to 25M.




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[AFMUG] Apple, Cambium, Mikrotik and DHCP

[Nate Burke]

I'm doing WIFI at a Hotel using E400 Ap's and Mikrotik hotspot. About 
once a week, there will be a device, it always seems like an Apple 
Device, that refuses to get a DHCP lease.  The Mikrotik Log fills with 
entries


dhcp offering lease 'IP' for 'MAC' without success

If I go in through CNMaestro and kick the user, they will re-associate 
either to the same AP or a different AP, and then immediately get a DHCP 
Lease.  There are other people on the AP working just fine.


Is there something about Apple products, like it's in a sleep mode when 
it connects to the WIFI and doesn't request the DHCP Properly when it 
wakes up until it re-associates?


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[AFMUG] Disney+ will launch with 17 4K titles

[Ken Hohhof]

https://www.theverge.com/2019/9/12/20862167/free-disney-plus-hands-on-pilot-
marvel

 

And you can bet people will watch half of them in their first month.  17 may
not sound like a lot, plus you may say who cares about Disney, but with the
new streaming entrants competing fiercely for customers, I think 4K is going
to be a thing.  I don't think we can dismiss it as nobody streams in 4K.
Seems like 4K content will be something they compete on, although the
current thing seems to  be lowball prices which I suspect cannot last
forever.

 

Something I wonder about is whether there will be multiple video qualities
of UHD, just like HD can go from about 2.5M to about 6M.  I swear I am
seeing customers streaming at 10M, I don't know if that is some form of
super super HD, or a lite version of UHD which I normally expect to use 15
to 25M.

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Re: [AFMUG] Little green DC power plugs

[Mathew Howard]

[image: image.png]

On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 11:55 AM Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> One plug for one voltage + amp rating maybe?  Like 110vac 15amp, 110vac
> 20amp, 220vac, etc
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 12:00 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> I'm realizing after my rant that the mfg probably wants every device to
>> have a unique plug so a newb doesn't come along and plug an item into an
>> incompatible power supply.   still seems like one for every device
>> is too many.
>>
>> On 9/11/2019 11:52 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>> > I'm talking about items such as in the attached picture.
>> >
>> > I'd be hard pressed to find two devices, even from the same
>> > manufacturer, that use the same plug.  Molex must make 10 billion
>> > varieties.  WHY?
>> >
>> > I feel like there should be a standard -48V plug and a +48V plug with
>> > keys in different positions, then also an agnostic plug with the keys
>> > not present so it slides into either jack (from an isolated power
>> > supply).
>> >
>> > Make a slightly different set for 24V, 12V, and 5V.
>> > There! see? That's like 12 kinds of green power plugs, not eleventy
>> > thousand and one.
>> >
>> >
>>
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