Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature

[Brian Webster]

I hate that. I see this with Man pages on all kinds of software too! Open
source projects have this bad habit. Just tell us what changing the settings
will do please..

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of dmmoff...@gmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2024 11:26 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature

 

"Telrad documentation would take a whole paragraph to tell you how to change
an integer value and not ever tell you what it does. "

 

Since I'm feeling grouchy, I really want to expand on this story.  There was
a setting for the Wimax firmware on the Telrad 1000 called "Frame Offset".
The manual droned on at length to tell me that it's an integer and you can
set it from 0 to 32, and went into tedious detail on how to use the terminal
menu system to change it.  I asked our vendor support what it did and he
said "we just leave it at 0", but could not explain what it was for.  I
chased that up the totem pole with Telrad, and I think I concluded that
nobody in the North American office knew what the hell that setting would
do.  That one was an illustrative example, but the entire manual was like
that.  

 

-Adam

 

 

From: dmmoff...@gmail.com  
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2024 7:47 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: RE: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature

 

Oh sorry, I didn't mean to say that you were a hater.  I'm getting older, so
to act my age I have to do some general purpose grouching.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2024 11:55 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature

 

I didn't mean to come across as a hater.  The 450 features they have given
us are impressive, in my case a bit overwhelming.  I feel like I just sat
down in the cockpit of a big commercial airplane.

 

Everything you say is true, I just need some quiet time and some brain
enhancer pills to wrap my head around all the options.

 

I hope the money guys aren't leaning too heavily into "FWA is dead, gotta
pivot quick to fiber".  Yes, do new things if you have some advantages that
will allow you to be successful, but you also have to be able to walk and
chew gum.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of dmmoff...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2024 10:38 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature

 

I loved that stats were there and that documentation accurately described
what they meant and what the knobs are for.  I also always felt that Cambium
was listening to the operators and trying to give us what we needed and
wanted.  

If you can read, you can use the product without support, but in the few
cases I did need support it was available and I didn't have to pay for it.
They also never BS'd me about what the product could do, and they never
failed to support a product for a reasonable amount of time..even the 320
which was kind of a dog.

 

Telrad documentation would take a whole paragraph to tell you how to change
an integer value and not ever tell you what it does.  We also paid real
money for support who couldn't help us, and certain people there made absurd
claims about capabilities.

 

Ubiquiti gives you what they give you and doesn't help you at all.  You can
try to get answers on the forum, but the signal to noise ratio on a support
forum can be terrible.  Alvarion VL was a decent product for it's time, but
all their Wimax stuff was garbage.  I'd actually take PMP320 with all of its
idiosyncrasies over any Alvarion BreezeMax or whatever else.  And the list
of terrible PMP products is too long to get into.  There must have been
three dozen stupid WiFi things packaged up like they were something more
awesome than just a stupid WiFi thing.  

 

I don't know what's up with Cambium haters.  Did they actually use it and
objectively compare it to the competition, or are they blinded by the desire
to save a few dollars?

 

Anyway...the short version of all that is that all I had to do to appreciate
Cambium PMP was try someone else's crap for awhile.  If the worst thing we
have to complain about is that a feature shipped before a license key was on
the market then that's not a bad product.  

 

-Adam

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2024 10:33 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature

 

450m and 450 in general has so many knobs you can tweak and stats to analyze
it seems they should have an AI powered advisor in cnMaestro to help you
optimize the settings.

 Original Message 
From: "Tyson Burris" 
Sent: 2/13/2024 9:23:06 AM
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interferenc

Re: [AFMUG] OT 2038 Linux

[Brian Webster]

So will this be now be called Y2.038K?

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2024 2:54 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT 2038 Linux

 

I'm not President or a Senator or Supreme Court Justice, so in 2038 I plan
to be retired or dead.  It will be somebody else's problem.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2024 1:02 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT 2038 Linux

 

"The latest time which can be represented like this is 03:14:07 UTC on
January 19, 2038," said Zimmie. "Once the timer is incremented from this
second, the value 'overflows' and goes from being a large positive number to
being a large negative number. The next second this counter can represent is
20:45:52 UTC on December 13, 1901. This is called the Year 2038 Problem."

 

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Re: [AFMUG] battery nerd question

[Brian Webster]

The temp issue as I understand it is the low temp disconnect when charge so as 
not to try and charge when the batteries are too cold. The LiTime batteries now 
have low temp disconnect in their internal battery BMS. Their prices are very 
good. The longevity of LiFePo batteries more than justifies the slightly added 
cost for the battery. If the temperature does not stay below the disconnect 
temp for longer than you have run time, you are good. Remembering the LiFePo 
batteries give you full capacity of their rated WH not only 50% like lead acid. 
They are a lot lighter too. So more useable WH can also reduce your battery 
count (and overall cost) that you need. Use a proper LiFePo charger and the 
charging profile lets you dump almost full capacity to the batteries that the 
panels produce. This should get the battery up to or closer to the full voltage 
sooner, allowing you to run the equipment off the power from the panels for a 
longer period of time as well. This of course stretches your battery capacity 
too. When you can push full current through the charger to the batteries, even 
short periods of sun can get your battery charged or partially charged faster 
than the charging profiles required for lead acid or AGM batteries.

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2023 4:14 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] battery nerd question

 

Yeah, temperature is the main problem I'm seeing with going to lithiums. I can 
throw an SLA battery in an unheated box at our towers and it's going to work 
good enough, even in the middle of winter, but the minimum charging temperature 
for LFP batteries is 32F, which we're going to be below for a good part of the 
year.

 

On Thu, Aug 17, 2023 at 3:08 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

Things have evolved. You can get LFP batteries for "almost" the same price as 
lead acid. Sometimes less even. They occupy less than half the space as lead 
acid, and will last at least twice as long. There is the issue of temperature 
sensitivity and they will need help for extremely cold environments.

 

bp


On 8/17/2023 12:36 PM, dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote:

Ooh What lithium batteries are we talking about?  

Last time I checked (a number of years ago), it was around 5x the $/Wh to buy 
Lithium.  

 

 

From: AF  <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>  On Behalf 
Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2023 10:51 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] battery nerd question

 

Well, right. It doesn't scale well, because battery costs and space 
requirements will quickly become a problem. Batteries don't last forever, so 
you have to factor in replacement costs too, which will be a significant 
ongoing cost for a larger system. I'm pretty sure that lithium batteries would 
be cheaper long term now, since they should have a lot longer life span and the 
initial cost isn't a lot higher, but then heating is required, which means you 
need more power.

 

On Wed, Aug 16, 2023 at 7:02 PM  wrote:

That’s building strictly for a 20W load though.  Building for a tiny load does 
make the costs easier.  But if you wanted a second AP, bigger backhaul, or 
anything else you can’t do it without growing the whole power system 
proportionally.

 

Steve was talking a 50W load today.  The real high end hardware now is using a 
lot of signal processing either to reassemble useful data out of garbage or for 
beam steering, or both.  So you end up needing 100-150W for an AP.  You’d be 
hard pressed to find a licensed backhaul under 35W, and most of them are 50W+.  
We could say we won’t deploy that equipment….but building for a 20W load takes 
the choice away.  

 

A 20A 240v circuit is 4800W.  Or a 20A 120V circuit is 2400W.  Even 2400W would 
power almost any WISP deployment.  Building solar to handle any load you might 
have is expensive, and building for only low power handcuffs you.

You do your thing your way, no judgement.  If it’s working for you then it’s 
good, but I can’t see myself going that direction.

 

-Adam

 

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2023 5:01 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] battery nerd question

 

I'm at about the same latitude as you. My experience is that having extra 
battery capacity is more helpful than oversizing the solar panels, so I'd 
probably go with Chuck's numbers for batteries if I was putting something 
together now, and solar panels are cheap now anyway, so figure 400 watts (if 
mounting space allows for it, which could be an issue if we're trying to fit it 
on a pole). 

 

A quick check on Amazon shows 100ah SLA batteries for $160, so 6 of those would 
give me 7200 watt hours, for just under $1k. At $1500 (which is mostly just 
adjusting battery and panel sizes from where I started at $1k), I'm right

Re: [AFMUG] battery nerd question

[Brian Webster]

How many of the batteries do you have? Do you need any voltages other than the 
48 volts? If you have 4 batteries and only need 48 volts then wire them in 
series and not have to deal with the converter.

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

 

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of dmmoff...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2023 6:59 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] battery nerd question

 

*You’re around C/30 which should be on the high end of capacity.  

Lower load usually means a little extra capacity out of the battery.  I 
realized that sentence might have been ambiguous.

 

 

From: dmmoff...@gmail.com  
Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2023 6:56 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: RE: [AFMUG] battery nerd question

 

You can do the whole thing in Watts.

 

12V * 150ah = 1800 Watt-hours

1800Wh / 50W = 36 hours

 

If they’re telling me 95% efficiency, I’d assume 50W out needs 53W in (50 / 
0.95).   

There’s usually an efficiency curve for the device based on load and 
temperature so it wouldn’t be 95% in all circumstances.  Your system should be 
drawing less than 5A off the battery, and if your multimeter has a 10A fuse 
like most do, then you could put the meter in line and actually measure the 
amperage before and after the converter.  Then you’d know for sure.

 

And the battery’s total capacity will have a curve based on C-rate so there’s 
some variability there too.  Usually it lasts longer when you’re drawing lower 
amperage.  You’re around C/30 which should be on the high end.  

 

Age and maintenance of the battery affect runtime as well.  If I want 6 hours 
of runtime then I plan Ah for 12 hours runtime. When my batteries are halfway 
toasted I’m still getting useful life out of them.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2023 9:57 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] battery nerd question

 

Just trying to cipher runtimes

I have on hand 150ah 12 volt batteries, so thats what id be looking to use.

Excluding the conversion loss of a 12v to 48v step up converter is the math 
correct here?

12v 150ah=1800 watt hours
1800 watt hours at 48v = 37.5ah
50 watts of radio running 48v = 1.04 amps
37.5ah @ 1.04 amps = 32.77 hours runtime

 

does a step up that claims 95% efficiency mean 95% of the watt hours?

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Re: [AFMUG] Air vac

[Brian Webster]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venturi_effect

 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuum_ejector

 

 

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2023 11:35 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Air vac

 

I use an auger to dig them, vac to clear them. Same thing with the 
airspade/airvac combo.  I dont do posts less than 48 inches. Whats really 
pushing this is the last project was installing 2 inch duct for the power 
company, the old primaries were failed concentric, as it turns out the stuff is 
dangerous, it faults on its own, jabbing shovels and post hole diggers at it is 
a recipe for disaster and water is its mortal enemy. Im chasing more contracts 
with that power company to replace more of that concentric. Im not gonna get 
the cutting power of water, but ill have dry spoils to put back in the hole.

 

I wish I hadnt done all the drugs, id be able to understand the maths on this, 
im wondering if I cant split the input and double the lift with two venturis

 

On Mon, May 22, 2023 at 9:23 AM  wrote:

So you dug post holes with a shop vac?  Is it sandy where you are?  I feel like 
I hit about 10,000 rocks per post hole.  Many too big for a vac hose, and many 
just big enough to clog it.

I might have to try it anyway.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2023 6:12 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Air vac

 

I'm having better luck with the prototype than a shop vac already, just trying 
to improve the lift. Toting a generator isnt really an option. 

I also just have a shop vac hose, if theres moisture the dirt collects on the 
sides with a shop vac and loses lift. That's how I've always dug post holes.

On Sun, May 21, 2023, 3:53 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

I think you would have better luck with a strong shop vac and a 30 gallon drum. 
 I have seen guys do that and it worked OK.  Air powered vacuum producers work 
but I don’t know how well.  Sometimes they are called eductors or ejectors.  

 

Take a look at this one:

https://www.globalindustrial.com/p/2-in-line-vac-only-aluminum?infoParam.campaignId=T9F
 
<https://www.globalindustrial.com/p/2-in-line-vac-only-aluminum?infoParam.campaignId=T9F=CjwKCAjwgqejBhBAEiwAuWHioM68tuz0PVLcvHFy4CRspRtvhy5gEQQryMrUkOoNv4MVeUTRSWTkvxoCrv8QAvD_BwE>
 
=CjwKCAjwgqejBhBAEiwAuWHioM68tuz0PVLcvHFy4CRspRtvhy5gEQQryMrUkOoNv4MVeUTRSWTkvxoCrv8QAvD_BwE

 

Best Regards,
Chuck McCown

McCown Technology Corporation 
8401 N Commerce Dr
Lake Point, Utah 84074
801-250-9503 Office
435-830-4306 Cell
www.mccowntech.com
www.microtrench.pro
www.terabitnetworks.com

 

From: Steve Jones 

Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2023 11:56 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: [AFMUG] Air vac

 

I need advice from you nerds. 

I'm a broke joke, so hydrovac isnt in my budget. Besides, I want dry spoils to 
put back in the hole.

This revision works for venturi. I have multiple size reducer but right now I'm 
just doing 3/4 to to inch. The 3/4 to 1 then 1 to half back to 1.5 for the 
venturi side seemed to have the best lift, but the hardware store didnt have 
everything, so it's all in 2 inch right now 

I'll dump to a 2000lb peanut sack if I can find one, but for now I'll just use 
a 30 gallon drum and dump on the mega movers.

 

This is for use in conjunction with the airspade I did have some coin to get.

 

Venturi math gets complicated and I'm full retard so I need to find he best 
ways to increase negative pressure and where to drill the ports.

 

I also wonder if theres an option to recapture the exhaust into the airspade.

 

I need you nerds to go full geek.

 

If I can get valves correct I'll have the local machinist make me a couple that 
are pressure rated.

 

This is to mimic the airvac I also cant afford.

 

This proof of concept has the lift to clear potholes and handholes,  but I need 
to clean it up and get more efficiency. 

A side discovery is that this setup is perfect for blowing straw and seed with 
glue


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Re: [AFMUG] Insurance

[Brian Webster]

Since the ACA doesn't have any waiting period people have come to expect
immediate everything. 

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2023 10:36 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Insurance

 

I got crap on a job listing for offering health insurance after 6 months.

My opinion is that we hire untrained entry level people.  They are young and
poor.  Young might mean healthy, poor does mean medicaid eligibility.  If
they are any good and have lasted 6 months then insurance is a nice thing to
add along with PTO etc.  We give raises twice a year guaranteed.   

 

Opinions?

 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Amish Lands

[Brian Webster]

We don’t get much nudist anything here in upstate NY Adam, you know that. The 
weather takes care of that most of the time….lol

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, April 21, 2023 6:47 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Amish Lands

 

So would you guys actually buy that compound? I'm trying to wrap my head around 
who would buy it and what for.

I was looking at an empty lot to be my little outdoor playground, and it has 
one of these Amish places adjacent to it.  In the back of my head I'm picturing 
some kind of weirdo cultists moving in.  Like nudist PETA eco-terrorists or  
neo-confederate klansmen. 

 

On Thu, Apr 20, 2023 at 8:09 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

The Amish are making a mass exodus from NY.  You can drive through Amish 
communities and see "for sale" signs one after the other.  The Amish are 
generally known for good workmanship, to the point where some people go out of 
their way to get Amish building contractors.  They also have multigenerational 
households, so you get these large properties with huge well-built houses, 
barns, and outbuildings.  The problem is they have no utilities at all.  
They'll have hand pumped wells and outhouses and wood stoves.

 

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/234-Hunts-Corners-Center-Lisle-Rd-Marathon-NY-13803/223346029_zpid/?

 

I linked the above example because it was easy to find, but that particular one 
has electric out by the road.  I saw a similar one for sale where there was no 
electric service available and it was listed for $140k.  That's a friggin 
'steal except for one thing:  What could you do with a huge house with no 
electricity?  A scout camp?  Start a cult?  

 

 

 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Short Term Employee

[Brian Webster]

If you have to tell people about your exceptionalism, rather than have it be 
noticed, well that speaks volumes. Sounds like a legend in his own mind.

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Saturday, April 8, 2023 3:48 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Short Term Employee

 

I hired a guy to be a production manager over our grout mixing machine product. 
 

He came with a pedigree of doing this at other places.  I didn’t check him out, 
just trusted the resume.

 

He did have interesting ideas but soon it became evident:

He liked to sit and talk –alot.

He did not want to start helping cleaning up the bill of materials (primary job 
responsibility). (did absolutely nothing along those lines) 

 

He wanted us to farm things out to his buddies (like have fastenal kit the nuts 
and bolts, have this other company make your sheet metal for you).

 

OK, was trying to absorb ideas and suggestions.  After all he was over building 
all the production equipment at the local Purple Mattress factory (or so he 
said).

 

I expected him to help task employees in his department, but soon when asked 
where they were and what were they doing, he had no idea.  

I gave them a task to modify a mounting fixture by cutting it and inserting 10” 
of steel tubing.  Rather than have them do what I asked, he took new steel and 
made one from scratch.

So he wasted the steel, his time and he used too thin of material.  Took two 
hours.  

 

I told him you could make the modification in 10 minutes, he argued that point. 
 

So I took a stand, cut it, extended it, using a stopwatch.  3 minutes 43 
seconds

 

When I complained about it, he said that my fixtures were too weak and they 
were going to kill someone.  I demoed one with about 10X load not failing.  

Then he started complaining about other things, deflecting that he did not do 
what I asked and did something else wasteful and substandard.  

Interspersed with my request was not clear and he didn’t understand what I 
wanted...

 

He said my repair to a air compressor was unsafe.  

He said he got arc flash in his eye from a distance of about 60 feet, etc etc.  
Had to buy stuff to build safe welding stalls, etc etc.

 

So I  made a casual comment to my son (who is taking over) yesterday: “you 
know, when a guy like this leaves a company whether fired or not, they 
sometimes call OSHA just to cause problems”  

Then I actually listened to my own words and agreed with myself.  

 

Late in the day this problem employee said to me: “I guess I am going to have 
to ignore my own exceptionalism to be able work here”.

 

That bugged me the longer I thought about it.  I fired him via email about an 
hour after he left...  Made it one full week and a couple days the prior week.  

He can bless someone else with his exceptionalism.

 

AITA?

 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Blank panel and and an hour later

[Brian Webster]

Nice work as always.

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Monday, March 27, 2023 8:51 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: [AFMUG] Blank panel and and an hour later

 

This is the panel for the large enclosure I posted last week...

Dual power supplies for redundancy...

More shares to come.

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Re: [AFMUG] First official breakfast pic

[Brian Webster]

Awesome!

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2023 10:38 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: [AFMUG] First official breakfast pic

 

Chilaquiles

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Re: [AFMUG] I am back

[Brian Webster]

Welcome back Jamie! Hopefully you are still playing in the band as well in your 
retirement. I really enjoy those videos!

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

214 Eggleston Hill Rd.

Cooperstown, NY 13326

(607) 643-4055 Office

(607) 435-3988 Mobile

www.wirelessmapping.com

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2023 3:11 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I am back

 

And hiking almost every weekend 

 

On Fri, Feb 17, 2023, 11:04 AM Josh Luthman  wrote:

That's the sign of a healthy retirement :)

 

On Fri, Feb 17, 2023 at 10:06 AM Jaime Solorza  
wrote:

Actually, I  have never been busier


Jaime Solorza

Wireless Systems Architect

915-861-1390

 

 

On Fri, Feb 17, 2023 at 7:26 AM Josh Luthman  
wrote:

I love how you retired and then went right back to climbing.  There's no such 
thing as retirement for a good worker!

 

On Fri, Feb 17, 2023 at 7:09 AM Jaime Solorza  wrote:

Soon

 

On Fri, Feb 17, 2023, 2:21 AM Forrest Christian (List Account) 
 wrote:

Don't let him fool ya

 

We almost had him convinced that tamales out of a can was acceptable food to 
eat.  Lot easier to do without regular pictures of yummy Mexican food. 

 

Hey, wait,  you've been back almost a full day and there haven't been any 
weather girl pics or food pics.   You holding out on us???

 

On Thu, Feb 16, 2023, 8:51 AM Jaime Solorza  wrote:

yay


Jaime Solorza

Wireless Systems Architect

915-861-1390

 

 

On Thu, Feb 16, 2023 at 8:49 AM Steve Jones  wrote:

Ive been eating jalapenos without vinegar

 

On Thu, Feb 16, 2023 at 9:47 AM Jaime Solorza  wrote:

Hola my fine feathered friends...

I have been very busy even though I retired last year.  Health is good, I 
climbed a 100 ft. tower last week for a SCADA job near Kermit area for Midland 
Water, plus we landed a lucrative contract with ASUS for Fort Bliss Water.

 

What's new with you folks?

Peace


Jaime Solorza

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915-861-1390

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Re: [AFMUG] Missed me by that much

[Brian Webster]

Yes I would rather have a collision with another car at the difference in speed 
than the combined speed of the two…. 

 

Brian

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of dmmoff...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2023 9:54 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Missed me by that much

 

Huh….never heard them called Jersey Barriers before.

Apparently the slope on the bottom is to make your tires ride up so you 
redirect back into your own lane (though possibly flipped over) whereas a flat 
wall might make you flip into the oncoming lane. 

Fun stuff.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Robert
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2023 10:42 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Missed me by that much

 

Same, california name for them.   Always remembered that name from the movie 
"Volcano"

On 2/3/23 5:10 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

Looks the same as Jersey barriers?

Sent from my iPhone

 

On Feb 3, 2023, at 5:29 PM, Robert   
 wrote:

 surplus K rail, if you think they might make it over, double it up...


https://www.eiffeltrading.com/marketplace/traffic-barrier/barrier-wall/k-rail-barrier-wall

On 2/3/23 9:19 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

Yeah, sonotube filled with a rebar cage.  Make a picket fence of them.  Cheaper 
than a cutover to a new building.  I have 576 strands feeding this shelter.  Or 
maybe I beam hammered in with a pile driver.  

 

Best Regards,
Chuck McCown

McCown Technology Corporation 
8401 N Commerce Dr
Lake Point, Utah 84074
801-250-9503 Office
435-830-4306 Cell
www.mccowntech.com
www.microtrench.pro
www.terabitnetworks.com

 

From: TJ Trout 

Sent: Friday, February 3, 2023 10:08 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Cc: Chuck McCown 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Missed me by that much

 

I'm sure you could design some bollards that wouldn't allow a tractor trailer 
through your fence 

 

On Fri, Feb 3, 2023, 8:34 AM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

I think we are going to install a larger shelter, farther away from the I-80 
ROW fence.  Second crash right there.  First to come through the fence.  Car 
landed on our back up generator after wiping out our fiber splicing trailer, 
dump trailer and really nice powered reel trailer.  

 

Hope the kid had insurance.  No seat belt.  Head wound but apparently no broken 
bones.  

 

From: Mark Radabaugh 

Sent: Friday, February 3, 2023 7:27 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Missed me by that much

 

I don’t see the brown stain marking where you were standing before the car 
arrived. 

 

Mark

 

Mark Radabaugh

Amplex

22690 Pemberville Rd

Luckey, OH 43443

419-837-5015 x 1021

419-261-5996 cell

m...@amplex.net

 

 

 

On Feb 3, 2023, at 7:55 AM, Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

 

 

 





 

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Re: [AFMUG] BDC filings are due in 32 days!

[Brian Webster]

It’s usually not after 11 PM on a Friday night however :-D

 

 

Brian

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2023 11:51 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BDC filings are due in 32 days!

 

He does have this one window of super clarity and brilliance.  

 

From: Brian Webster 

Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2023 8:59 AM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BDC filings are due in 32 days!

 

When Steve posts you always how to look at the time of day he posted to detect 
the sarcasm or not J, the later it is the more enhanced he comments can 
be….lol

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

214 Eggleston Hill Rd.

Cooperstown, NY 13326

(607) 643-4055 Office

(607) 435-3988 Mobile

www.wirelessmapping.com

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Ray
Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2023 6:58 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BDC filings are due in 32 days!

 

BDC is for everyone.

 

On Fri, Jan 27, 2023 at 8:43 PM Steve Jones  wrote:

Bdc is for girls

 

On Fri, Jan 27, 2023, 5:59 PM Brian Webster  wrote:

Is your FCC BDC report ready? It’s due March 1st.

 

Only 32 days left to get it done.

 

The FCC 477 program is gone! Billing software reports will not make you 
compliant anymore.

 

Regulatory Solutions can help keep you compliant, by making filing BDC program 
data as painless as possible.

 

We run RF path studies to EVERY single address within range of your towers.

 

We report only addresses you can service with proper MAXIMUM SPEED. 

 

This information can be looked up and viewed on a map that you can use for 
customer pre-qualification.

 

We now use 10-meter clutter data which greatly improves report accuracy.

 

Your ISP success depends on accurate, certified data and on-time reports.

 

Inaccurate BDC filing carries a penalty of up to $15,000 for each violation. *

 

   


30 Meter Pixel DataError! Filename not specified.

 

10 Meter Pixel Data in Blue Error! Filename not specified.

 

Learn more about this new clutter data here. 
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Know with certainty that you can provide internet service to a home or business 
and at what maximum speed.

 

Provide quality data to the BDC that will withstand challenges.

 

Protect your service area from government funded overbuilds if you are using 
CBRS Licensed Access Points

 

Your BDC filing is accurate and certified by a Licensed Professional Engineer 
(as required by the FCC).

 

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Re: [AFMUG] BDC filings are due in 32 days!

[Brian Webster]

When Steve posts you always how to look at the time of day he posted to detect 
the sarcasm or not J, the later it is the more enhanced he comments can be….lol

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

214 Eggleston Hill Rd.

Cooperstown, NY 13326

(607) 643-4055 Office

(607) 435-3988 Mobile

www.wirelessmapping.com

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Ray
Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2023 6:58 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BDC filings are due in 32 days!

 

BDC is for everyone.

 

On Fri, Jan 27, 2023 at 8:43 PM Steve Jones  wrote:

Bdc is for girls

 

On Fri, Jan 27, 2023, 5:59 PM Brian Webster  wrote:

Is your FCC BDC report ready? It’s due March 1st.

 

Only 32 days left to get it done.

 

The FCC 477 program is gone! Billing software reports will not make you 
compliant anymore.

 

Regulatory Solutions can help keep you compliant, by making filing BDC program 
data as painless as possible.

 

We run RF path studies to EVERY single address within range of your towers.

 

We report only addresses you can service with proper MAXIMUM SPEED. 

 

This information can be looked up and viewed on a map that you can use for 
customer pre-qualification.

 

We now use 10-meter clutter data which greatly improves report accuracy.

 

Your ISP success depends on accurate, certified data and on-time reports.

 

Inaccurate BDC filing carries a penalty of up to $15,000 for each violation. *

 

   


30 Meter Pixel DataError! Filename not specified.

 

10 Meter Pixel Data in Blue Error! Filename not specified.

 

Learn more about this new clutter data here. 
<https://www.dropbox.com/s/6ybbdpp4jns0j45/10%20Meter%20Clutter%20Data%20formatted.pptx?dl=0>
  

 

Know with certainty that you can provide internet service to a home or business 
and at what maximum speed.

 

Provide quality data to the BDC that will withstand challenges.

 

Protect your service area from government funded overbuilds if you are using 
CBRS Licensed Access Points

 

Your BDC filing is accurate and certified by a Licensed Professional Engineer 
(as required by the FCC).

 

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<https://www.regulatorysolutions.us/BDC_fabric_instructions.html> Fabric Data 
Download Instructions 
<https://www.regulatorysolutions.us/#[object%20Object]> Visit the RSI Web Site

 

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[AFMUG] BDC filings are due in 32 days!

[Brian Webster]

Is your FCC BDC report ready? It's due March 1st.

 

Only 32 days left to get it done.

 

The FCC 477 program is gone! Billing software reports will not make you
compliant anymore.

 

Regulatory Solutions can help keep you compliant, by making filing BDC
program data as painless as possible.

 

We run RF path studies to EVERY single address within range of your towers.

 

We report only addresses you can service with proper MAXIMUM SPEED. 

 

This information can be looked up and viewed on a map that you can use for
customer pre-qualification.

 

We now use 10-meter clutter data which greatly improves report accuracy.

 

Your ISP success depends on accurate, certified data and on-time reports.

 

Inaccurate BDC filing carries a penalty of up to $15,000 for each violation.
*

 

   


30 Meter Pixel Data

 

10 Meter Pixel Data in Blue 

 

Learn more about this new clutter data here.
  

 

Know with certainty that you can provide internet service to a home or
business and at what maximum speed.

 

Provide quality data to the BDC that will withstand challenges.

 

Protect your service area from government funded overbuilds if you are using
CBRS Licensed Access Points

 

Your BDC filing is accurate and certified by a Licensed Professional
Engineer (as required by the FCC).

 

  Sign up
 Fabric
Data Download Instructions
 Visit the RSI Web
Site

 

Regulatory Solutions, Inc.

Federal and State Regulatory Filings

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Vocab lesson

[Brian Webster]

Wonder how many takes it took to shoot that video and how he managed to keep
a straight face at the same time. 

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2022 11:33 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Cc: Chuck McCown
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Vocab lesson

 

https://youtu.be/RXJKdh1KZ0w

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Political

[Brian Webster]

I call bull on all immigration issues. Congress has the power to create/change 
laws and set quotas at any time. They can change bad laws if they really care 
about issues. There is no benefit in a politician actually solving problems. It 
doesn’t create perceived problem to then run around and raise money for their 
war chest. How is it that lame ducks can still fund raise and why the hell do 
people contribute to that fund? If you are worried about them being illegals 
then legalize what they are doing. If there are no Americans to do all these 
jobs, then legalize those who will do the work so they can come to the country 
legally. The same politicians who are complaining and throwing mud at the 
others are the same ones who have the power to change the laws. If they all 
believe their cause is just and things are so bad, then they should be able to 
pass laws that will override a veto.

 

Again I call BS on ALL politicians from both parties that say they want to do 
something about the problem. I wonder if they make them legal the politicians 
are worried that they will be able to get in and become part of the social 
security system and be eligible when they retire? Can the US afford that? Maybe 
right now they have to pay in but can’t be part of the system or build up a 
retirement? Maybe the system is more broke than they are letting on? Maybe 
right now SS is just a legal Ponzi scheme and they don’t want or can’t afford 
to take on new liabilities like people who will eventually want to collect a 
retirement after paying in all those years? I don’t know but I certainly don’t 
understand why the politicians who gripe about what is being done can’t come 
together and legislate a solution…….. They do wield the power, do they even 
teach that is schools anymore? They need to bring back school house rock or 
something to teach this basic stuff…..

 

Brian

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Macenski
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2022 2:28 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Political

 

There are real immigration issues and they are messy. I am not defending 
anyone, but I don't see that Biden or Obama have much to do with my point.

The Trump administration took kids from their parents with no records that 
would allow them to be reunited: 
https://www.npr.org/2022/08/11/1116917364/how-the-trump-white-house-misled-the-world-about-its-family-separation-policy

I think we may be able to agree that it is nearly impossible to prove what 
Trump knew about anything, but this was a marquee issue for him. So perhaps he 
is not evil - he just didn't know (or care) what he was enabling. I guess that 
is a more favorable way to look at it.

P.S. I know you will hate that I am sourcing from NPR, but I am too lazy to 
look up the federal court cases (where the evidence was laid out under oath). 
If you doubt this actually happened *and* it will change your mind, I will dig 
out references to at least one of them. 

 

On Tue, Oct 11, 2022 at 12:07 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

This is the part I have trouble with:  “with no intention of ever allowing them 
to be reunited “  

If that was true then that is evil.  

 

I just have a hard time that ever happened like that.  They were separated yes. 
 That there was an intention of a permanent separation?  No.  

 

Who wanted to make the separation permanent?  And why?  

 

The Biden administration just separated a bunch of kids, flew them to upstate 
NW last week.  Those kids are separated from their parents.  They are farmed 
out to shelters and homes across a tri state area.  Sounds like what you are 
describing to me...  

 

So evil if Trump does it but not evil if Biden does it?  

 

This also goes for chain link fenced compounds for “visitors”.  

 

Obama OK, Trump not OK, Biden OK.  ???

 

Kids treated like dogs, oh my!!!  But only when republicans are in the white 
house.  And only on liberal news media.  

 

 

From: Chuck Macenski 

Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2022 10:52 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Political

 

If separating children from their parents (albeit at the border) with no 
intention of ever allowing them to be reunited isn't evil, I may not understand 
the word's meaning. 

 

On Tue, Oct 11, 2022 at 10:57 AM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

Yes, indeed, look at the vaccination rates between the right and left.  

 

69% of our nation is now fully vaxxed two shots or more and 80% have received 
at least one shot.  

 

So if you figure 100% of liberals are vaxed accounting for 50% of those vaxxed, 
that leaves the 30% of the total for the conservatives which would be 60% of 
the conservatives.  And that means all libs were vaxed.  Libs not vaxed add to 
that 60% number.  In polls separating blues and red vax rates there was only 
10% difference between them.  So probably 65-70% of conservatives have received 
at least one shot.  That is not a large 

Re: [AFMUG] BDC service

[Brian Webster]

And their answer is, “you can ask for corrections during the challenge 
process”. Of course that will be after the BEAD funds are released and the 
lection has passed and they have given out big cardboard checks for photo op’s 
right before the election. 

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Darren Shea
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2022 9:15 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BDC service

 

Trey, 

  That’s the part that annoys me – I have found homes where the Fabric says 
they’re in a different census block than they ought to be in, and a LOT of 
addresses which just don’t appear in the Fabric at all. Since the location IDs 
can only be derived from the Fabric, those errors and omissions will make the 
BDC data less useful than it ought to be.

 

Thank you,

Darren

ECPI/Western Broadband

(512) 257-1077

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Trey Scarborough
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2022 11:22 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BDC service

 

Yeah, but this is kind of unheard of they didn't even require this type of 
information back when they were doing all of this for phone lines. Its too late 
now but if as a whole everyone would have said no we are not doing this. If a 
majority of small ISPs didn't they would have a hard time enforcing the 15k 
fines. That would leave a spoltlight on VZ, ATT, Windstream, etc and there is 
no way their information is going to be accurate either. Then it would have 
been made more apparent that the data they are providing is garbage. When the 
underlying element of address fabric is flawwed and not accurate especially in 
rural areas. I really don't understand how they can expect the RF propagation 
and everything else to be accurate.

 

On 8/25/22 2:15 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

Not filing is a bad decision.

 

On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 2:55 PM Cameron Crum  wrote:

cheat has a special section for this . Look at the bottom left. You have to 
build your speed tier to signal strength mappings so they can export polygons 
for your speed tiers. It's a bit different from just the regular runs. If you 
have cheat polygons, we can prep your stuff pretty quickly as we don't have to 
do all the analysis. It's basically your contact info, what services you are 
filing for and then your polygon and fabric uploads. 

 

Cameron

 

On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 1:45 PM Steve Jones  wrote:

The companies doing the BDC filings 

What data, specifically are they going to need from us to do the filing?

Im trying to get the export out of CnHeat, but I still need to get more sites 
into it and I havent even started the whole subscription side

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Re: [AFMUG] crazy bandwidth request

[Brian Webster]

I love his replies too but you have to not be drinking anything when you read 
them, it hurts coming out your nose……

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Pautz via AF
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2022 1:16 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Cc: Daniel Pautz
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] crazy bandwidth request

 

Ha,   I have to admit your replies give me chuckles 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2022 11:12 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] crazy bandwidth request

 

are these shower cams? those need good resolution

 

 

On Fri, Aug 12, 2022 at 10:20 AM Zach Underwood  wrote:

Yes we are getting paid, this is managed wifi site so we have agreement with 
the site owner it is like a 300 unit site.

 

On Fri, Aug 12, 2022, 11:05 AM Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]  
wrote:

Hey, someone else is paying for your new 10G pipe.

I have one of these whales.  They wanted 2Gbps to a remote location that they 
use for offsite backup.

We got a 5Gbps connection to our cabinet out front and we are running FTTH from 
there.  

 

We are getting paid to extend our network.  I can’t complain.

 

Jim Bouse
Owner - Brazos WiFi
979-999-7000
 <http://www.brazoswifi.com> http://www.brazoswifi.com

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Zach Underwood
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2022 9:39 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] crazy bandwidth request

 

Here is the vendor they are using https://www.rhombus.com/cameras/ all of the 
wired poe. Unfortunately I am just an engineer and upper management said we 
will support it. I mean we are getting 10gb EPL back to the datacenter in a 
carrier hotel so we have the bandwidth but it feels so wrong to set this up.

 

On Fri, Aug 12, 2022 at 9:56 AM Nate Burke  wrote:

8.2 TB/Day storage.  What cloud camera company are they using.  Or are they 
just putting in all NEST cameras.  I'm guessing next you'll say that they're 
all going to all be WIFI Cameras, and they have provisioned a single Linksys 
WIFI Router in the center of the property that will run them all just fine.  

On 8/12/2022 8:43 AM, Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] wrote:

Send the quote.  Hope for the best.

 

Jim Bouse
Owner - Brazos WiFi
979-999-7000
 <http://www.brazoswifi.com> http://www.brazoswifi.com

 

From: AF  <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>  On Behalf 
Of Zach Underwood
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2022 8:40 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> 
Subject: [AFMUG] crazy bandwidth request

 

I need to just say this as it is among the more crazy requests. I got a request 
for internet access at one of MDU site from the sites's cam vendor. Yeah fill 
out our form and it turns out they have selected a cloud only based system. 
They will have 124 x 5mp cams going in each will live steam 24x7 6.3mbps for a 
total of just under 800mbps of upload.  

 

This is not a good use for the "cloud" 


 

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Re: [AFMUG] Professional Engineer Certified Broadband Data Fabric submission services.

[Brian Webster]

We have not set the pricing up like that. Is your network fiber only?

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

214 Eggleston Hill Rd.

Cooperstown, NY 13326

(607) 643-4055 Office

(607) 435-3988 Mobile

www.wirelessmapping.com

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Monday, August 1, 2022 6:46 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Cc: Chuck McCown
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Professional Engineer Certified Broadband Data Fabric 
submission services.

 

Do you have a per subscriber/size of company rate?

 

From: Brian Webster 

Sent: Monday, August 1, 2022 4:22 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: [AFMUG] Professional Engineer Certified Broadband Data Fabric 
submission services.

 

 

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/oTD3HtuEcP8c3Bpubs0xcdwOzeRhOQMVODjzbaA0uqBGifsqx-bzhpOrued8CiBztteFIrbBXT0zBmxu9s8-j8FPZX_jFp8UB7T8pSfuQ7Dt0PjIyQfNLKDXQjBjCmh83-QdlUXQPwjmJtguB0jIQeI

www.regulatorysolutions.us

 

Announcing a tool to assist Wireless and other ISP's in filing their network 
coverage for the FCC Broadband Data Collection (BDC) program. 

 

In partnership with Cameron Crum, Robert Olive and myself, we have created this 
BDC mapping software and compliance tool. We realized that there are no 
convenient and affordable methods designed to successfully compile and file 
data, and have them certified by a professional engineer, including the latency 
reporting. 

 

We understand many of you are scrambling to meet the technical reporting 
requirement by September 1st. Download our user guide and data template files 
today or view the video tutorial here:  
<https://www.regulatorysolutions.us/?fbclid=IwAR0VHZscRmfaEEXGqMA0J16Gr5kGlzMzCLHUmCM84Pt80CeeLoWmfjPQzsE>
 https://www.regulatorysolutions.us/

 

We can also compile and file your FCC form 477 files (Yes this is still 
required).

 

This first round of the BDC program is important. The government wants to start 
giving out BEAD grant funding and they can’t do it by law until the FCC 
releases the results from this data collection program. They want to publish 
the results in October of this year! 

 

It is crucial to be noticed on this first round of the mapping effort, 
especially those of you who have hybrid fiber and wireless networks.

 

Contact us today or visit our web site for pricing information.

 

 

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster (607) 643-4055 

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[AFMUG] Professional Engineer Certified Broadband Data Fabric submission services.

[Brian Webster]

 

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/oTD3HtuEcP8c3Bpubs0xcdwOzeRhOQMVODjzbaA0uq
BGifsqx-bzhpOrued8CiBztteFIrbBXT0zBmxu9s8-j8FPZX_jFp8UB7T8pSfuQ7Dt0PjIyQfNLK
DXQjBjCmh83-QdlUXQPwjmJtguB0jIQeI

www.regulatorysolutions.us

 

Announcing a tool to assist Wireless and other ISP's in filing their network
coverage for the FCC Broadband Data Collection (BDC) program. 

 

In partnership with Cameron Crum, Robert Olive and myself, we have created
this BDC mapping software and compliance tool. We realized that there are no
convenient and affordable methods designed to successfully compile and file
data, and have them certified by a professional engineer, including the
latency reporting. 

 

We understand many of you are scrambling to meet the technical reporting
requirement by September 1st. Download our user guide and data template
files today or view the video tutorial here:
<https://www.regulatorysolutions.us/?fbclid=IwAR0VHZscRmfaEEXGqMA0J16Gr5kGlz
MzCLHUmCM84Pt80CeeLoWmfjPQzsE> https://www.regulatorysolutions.us/

 

We can also compile and file your FCC form 477 files (Yes this is still
required).

 

This first round of the BDC program is important. The government wants to
start giving out BEAD grant funding and they can't do it by law until the
FCC releases the results from this data collection program. They want to
publish the results in October of this year! 

 

It is crucial to be noticed on this first round of the mapping effort,
especially those of you who have hybrid fiber and wireless networks.

 

Contact us today or visit our web site for pricing information.

 

 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] BDC

[Brian Webster]

Keep in mind that is a temp fix and only good for the next 18 months. Then
the full PE cert is required.

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2022 5:10 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Cc: Chuck McCown
Subject: [AFMUG] BDC

 

Starting to look into what I have to do.

Just read the certification requirements.  This is the language of the
alternate, non PE, non degreed engineer certifier:

(ii) specialized training relevant to broadband network engineering and
design, deployment, and/or performance, and at least ten years of relevant
experience in broadband network engineering, design, and/or performance.

 

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Re: [AFMUG] We Want Your Ideas

[Brian Webster]

They think they do with ATSC 3.0, as if they weren’t already putting the screws 
to the cable and satellite providers enough.

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2022 4:35 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Cc: Chuck McCown
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] We Want Your Ideas

 

Like OTA television has such a bright future...

 

From: Brian Webster 

Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2022 1:31 PM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] We Want Your Ideas

 

NAB has done a wonderful job at keeping TVWS so uncertain that manufactures 
gave up on it, which the NAB would probably call a win…..

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick - Lists
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2022 6:25 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] We Want Your Ideas

 

TVWS will always be a dog until the database is accurate and kept up.  I fear 
that NAB will never let that happen.

 

I’d like to pull it into the SAS program.

Jeff Broadwick

CTIconnect

312-205-2519 Office

574-220-7826 Cell

jbroadw...@cticonnect.com

 

On Jul 20, 2022, at 12:06 AM, Sean Heskett  wrote:



TVWS please!

 

 

 

On Tue, Jul 19, 2022 at 7:58 AM Ray Savich via AF  wrote:

Cambium Networks is committed to the success of broadband service providers 
around the world. We are conducting our sixth annual State of the Broadband 
Service Provider Market Survey. The vendor-neutral survey takes about 10 
minutes to complete. The topics focus on the state of the current business and 
vision of trends and opportunities. On completion of the survey, Cambium 
Networks will be glad to provide you with a complete report of the survey 
results.

Take the Survey 
<https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/Broadband_Service_Provider_2022> 

The survey results are expected to be published this summer. 

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Re: [AFMUG] We Want Your Ideas

[Brian Webster]

NAB has done a wonderful job at keeping TVWS so uncertain that manufactures 
gave up on it, which the NAB would probably call a win…..

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick - Lists
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2022 6:25 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] We Want Your Ideas

 

TVWS will always be a dog until the database is accurate and kept up.  I fear 
that NAB will never let that happen.

 

I’d like to pull it into the SAS program.

Jeff Broadwick

CTIconnect

312-205-2519 Office

574-220-7826 Cell

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On Jul 20, 2022, at 12:06 AM, Sean Heskett  wrote:



TVWS please!

 

 

 

On Tue, Jul 19, 2022 at 7:58 AM Ray Savich via AF  wrote:

Cambium Networks is committed to the success of broadband service providers 
around the world. We are conducting our sixth annual State of the Broadband 
Service Provider Market Survey. The vendor-neutral survey takes about 10 
minutes to complete. The topics focus on the state of the current business and 
vision of trends and opportunities. On completion of the survey, Cambium 
Networks will be glad to provide you with a complete report of the survey 
results.

Take the Survey 
<https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/Broadband_Service_Provider_2022> 

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Re: [AFMUG] IP Geolocation update

[Brian Webster]

IT doesn’t help when you have IP’s that at one time or another had a smart 
phone connect and give the GPS location for the access point on Wi-Fi they 
connected to. I think those databases are the slowest at updating. Some old AP 
MAC address has a record in apple or some other database that is linked to an 
old IP address/location.

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2022 10:55 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IP Geolocation update

 

most IPv4 is dirty now

I think its the brothers wisp that has a guide one getting 90 percent correct. 
The other 10 percent is just shooting moles as they pop up. It took about  
ayear to clear up our last assignment. And good luck with any sites that use 
mediatemple firewall

 

On Mon, Jul 18, 2022 at 9:38 AM  wrote:

I’m wondering how it got that way.  Maybe the previous user was a cell network? 
 Maybe with multiple cities connected to the same core?

 

More importantly, like maybe ¼ of the geolocation services have an easy “update 
the location” form.  What are you supposed to do with the others?

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Colin Stanners
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2022 10:31 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IP Geolocation update

 

At least it's the closest thing to easy travel that you'll see these days.

 

On Mon, Jul 18, 2022 at 9:11 AM  wrote:

Is there any fast/easy way to update all the geolocation services?

 

I just got a new IP block and I’m getting conflicting results.  The same IP is 
said to be in Manhattan, Cleveland, Dallas, DC, and Salt Lake depending which 
geolocation service you check.  It’s bizarre. 

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Re: [AFMUG] Awesome modem training

[Brian Webster]

That whole sequence visually and audibly still reminds me of how much I thought 
we are getting liberated to an amazing age of information access and freedom. 
Expanding the world in ways we could not imagine…. 

 

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Trey Scarborough
Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2022 6:48 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Awesome modem training

 

Is it weird that after it was over my mind automatically added a "you've got 
mail!" to the end of it.

On 7/5/22 9:31 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

I like how the touch tones show up when dialing.  

 

From: Jan-GAMs 

Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2022 1:57 AM

To: af@af.afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Awesome modem training

 

Thanks, brings back memories

On 7/4/22 10:58, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

You can see it shift gears upwards and use more and more frequencies for the 
data.

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Splice Documentation

[Brian Webster]

You could use the free QGIS software which is basically a map and you can make 
points on the maps for your splice boxes, each map layer/drawing has a 
corresponding  data table that goes with it. Set that up as you would a 
spreadsheet and you have the data and location data on the map at the same 
time. That really is a lot of what GIS basically is. Tons of on line help with 
QGIS and if you browse the free plugins there are all kinds of useful additions 
to the program including things like good map tiles that you can use for your 
background cartography. You can have maps like open street maps as well as 
aerial image backgrounds. You can find a lot of good YouTube videos as well.

 

You can import all kinds of files like google earth and shape files from 
various sources.

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Wednesday, July 6, 2022 4:23 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Splice Documentation

 

It sounds like all they have now is a Billing/OSS system that presumably has 
this integrated.  Do you have a separate setup?

 

On Wed, Jul 6, 2022 at 2:34 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies  
wrote:

Jason,

I've been using FiberSmith by Donny Smith.  It is based on 3GIS.  Does mapping, 
splicing, etc.  Also produces some nice splice diagrams per splice case.


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Revisiting this.

I've been trying to find something besides spreadsheets to document splices / 
splice cases, but cannot find anything that isn't an all-inclusive package with 
a matching monthly fee.  Does anyone know of anything out there that works for 
this?  I've been trying to use spreadsheets, but find them extraordinarily 
cumbersome.  I'm starting to think some graphing paper and a pencil might be 
the only option.

I don't really need mapping, but something that involves mapping/GIS/splice 
documentation may be useful as well.

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Re: [AFMUG] russian spam

[Brian Webster]

If they were fed US political enemies the bacon would just taste like crap
:-D

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2022 5:02 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Cc: Chuck McCown
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] russian spam

 

The pigs were fed the bodies of political enemies.  So the taste is a bit
bitter.

 

From: James Howard 

Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2022 2:33 PM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] russian spam

 

Is Bolshevik spam as good as Imperialist pig spam?   (sorry, just finished
listening to The Hunt for Red October audiobook again)

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2022 2:35 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: [AFMUG] russian spam

 

Sure getting lots of russian spam today.  

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Raspberry Pi Shortage

[Brian Webster]

Might be better off getting a refurb Chromebook. NewEgg is selling a couple
of models for under $60

Thank you,
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From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt
Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2022 12:26 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Raspberry Pi Shortage

Any ideas when the shortages on these will stop? Was wanting to order
a few of them for a monitoring project but they're just not available.
I do not want to feed scalpers either.

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Re: [AFMUG] "Show and Tell" rack

[Brian Webster]

Raspberry Pi with a small screen displaying traffic data your normally
monitor for the network?

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of dmmoff...@gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2022 9:37 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: [AFMUG] "Show and Tell" rack

 

I'm setting up a live POP site that is also supposed to be for showing off
when we give people a tour of our office.

 

Is there anything special you would do to make a 23" 2 post rack full of
equipment look extra awesome?  Fancy lighting? Tie Die? Lipstick?  

Artistry is not my bailiwick.

 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT FB

[Brian Webster]

That’s better J

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2022 2:49 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT FB

 

I actually speak several languages fluently and understand several more enough 
to order food and beer, that said, let me correct what I spoke to phone will 
driving and it came out as gibberish...

"You gentlemen are missing all the weather girl pictures, great Mexican food 
shots, SCADA porn,  SCADA fiber work , and  all kinds of great stuff , damn 
commies!!!" 

 

On Fri, Apr 29, 2022, 12:23 PM  wrote:

Jamie, I don’t know if we are having a language barrier issue or if that’s an 
inside joke…..but I have no idea what you just said.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2022 1:35 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT FB

 

You gentlemen are missing where the girl pictures great Mexican food skater 
porn Skeeter fiber work just all kinds of great stuff damn commies

 

On Fri, Apr 29, 2022, 11:22 AM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

So, I discovered this morning that I have to have my adblocker off to see FB 
posts...

Is this for everyone?

 

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Re: [AFMUG] List status

[Brian Webster]

Maybe Elon will buy them and fix this issue…..ducking

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2022 1:20 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] List status

 

Been on a paid service since 2006.  They don't give a shit.

 

On Tue, Apr 26, 2022 at 12:57 PM Carl Peterson  
wrote:

We just transitioned from a legacy free google domain to a paid account with 
support from google so perhaps I'll start a support case next time they mess 
with my AFMUG email.   

 

On Tue, Apr 26, 2022 at 11:31 AM  wrote:

Oddly enough, mine doesn’t mark it as spam either.  During that month of 
silence I just didn’t get anything at all.  Gmail’s algorithms are surely a 
mystery to us mere plebes.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2022 12:01 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] List status

 

My gmail sends nothing to spam for AFMUG.

 

bp


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Gmail really really wants to put AFMUG messages in Spam.  Even with a filter to 
explicitly not do that it still makes me click and tell it each message isn't 
spam.  

 

On Fri, Apr 22, 2022 at 10:34 AM Mike Hammett  wrote:

GMail will do that...



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Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2022 8:47:30 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] List status

I have a gap in list messages between 3/31 and 4/20.  I thought the list had 
finally died it’s final death.

 

 


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Re: [AFMUG] Water tower structural engineering

[Brian Webster]

And then with that most recent copy, go approach that A company for a quote. 
It’s much easier to update a study they have already done. Should be as simple 
as adding your proposed equipment and then run a new report.

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, April 8, 2022 8:57 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Water tower structural engineering

 

If they have to "keep the same rules for everyone" then by definition the most 
recent cell company would have required those drawings.  Ask for the most 
recent copy.

 

On Thu, Apr 7, 2022 at 5:40 PM Nate Burke  wrote:

I just heard back from one of the engineering companies recommended by a 
tower owner, he ballparked $1000-$1500 for the drawings, and $1500 for 
the engineering, but said it depends on how much of the drawings are 
already done, or if he has to go out and survey the tower and make one.

On 4/7/2022 4:33 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
> I have used a couple different companies.  Most of the work cost 
> between $700 and $1800
>
> -Original Message- From: Nate Burke
> Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2022 1:37 PM
> To: Animal Farm
> Subject: [AFMUG] Water tower structural engineering
>
> Many of you guys are on Municipal water tanks,  did you have to have
> drawings/engineering done for your equipment?  We have equipment on some
> city water tanks through an acquisition, and the city is requiring us to
> do full drawing/engineering/permits for equipment upgrades even though
> we're only talking about changing some 2' dishes out (UBNT 5ghz to
> licensed), and changing some EPMP1000 sectors to EPMP3000.  The Water
> department admits that our stuff is small and won't matter, but since
> there are multiple cell sites on each water tank, they have to keep the
> same rules for everyone, and we don't have enough luck to just 'change
> it and see if they notice'  They'll notice.
>
> What type of company do I need to be looking for do to
> drawings/engineering?  I found a structural engineering firm, but they
> only take existing drawings/plans and work from them so I need someone
> to do drawings.  Ballpark pricing for something like that?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Political VAX

[Brian Webster]

If you don’t reign in lobbyists citizen votes become less and less value and we 
get the best government money can buy. If they can’t come to compromises then 
maybe that can’t get bills pass period…. Not the worst thing to happen in my 
mind. It’s really pointless to argue this since neither party is going to 
change the status quo, you know because of that power thing. Things will get a 
lot worse before they get better and that might takes 100 years or more, longer 
if people don’t pay attention to history and look at what worked well and what 
didn’t But hey with common core they aren’t going to let the teachers go in to 
stuff like that…. They want us all useful idiots and not have critical thinking 
skills. 

 

Brian 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh
Sent: Friday, April 1, 2022 1:17 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Political VAX

 

Lobbying….

 

It’s a tough one, and there are good arguments both ways.Politicians are 
absolutely not experts on much of anything (other then running for election).  
As such they need someone to tell them what they need to be doing.   In an 
ideal world the citizens with expertise in the subjects would be the ones doing 
that - but that is not going to happen.   The experts in any given field 
certainly don’t have the time or inclination to babysit the politicians.   

 

The other bizarre part of politics in Congress now is that it’s so polarized 
that the R’s and D’s often won’t even talk to each other.   The lobbyists have 
become the middleman.I have personally seen lobbyists with a phone in each 
ear with one the D committee staffer and the other the R staffer and he is 
relaying positions and trying to negotiate compromises.   It’s completely 
ridiculous, but it’s the way DC is working these days.

 

If you ban lobbyist I think you are going to get even worse legislation, and 
probably even more polarization.

 

Mark

 

 





On Apr 1, 2022, at 12:40 PM, Brian Webster  wrote:

 

Term limits and the ban on lobbying have to go hand in hand, without that 
former politicians just become lobbyists, kind of like how FCC commissioners do 
now….. They have laws for people like lowly contract negotiators in the Navy 
that forbids them from dealing with any companies they negotiated contracts 
with for 10 years after leaving service.

 

Brian

 

From: AF [ <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On 
Behalf Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Friday, April 1, 2022 12:27 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Political VAX

 

Another big issue is lobbying. I'm pretty much of the opinion that should be 
outlawed, at least in the current form (which is basically bribery).


On Friday, April 1, 2022, Nate Burke < <mailto:n...@blastcomm.com> 
n...@blastcomm.com> wrote:

Forgive my History, but isn't that how it 'used' to be?  You went to congress 
for the congressional session, but ran your normal business when not in DC?  It 
wasn't your full time job.  Although that thinking will open up a whole hive of 
'then only the rich can afford to run the country'

On 4/1/2022 8:36 AM, Robert wrote:

More like 2 years, but that would be a better system than what we have 
created...  Maybe you don't have to pay taxes those two years and you get free 
medical.

On 4/1/22 5:30 AM, D. Bernardi wrote:



Maybe being a representative in Congress should work more like jury duty. Have 
a few professional committee politicians and the rest 'regular people' to get 
the job done.  Dear Mr Jones, you are hereby summons to report to Congress for 
the next 6 months.


At 06:32 PM 3/31/2022, you wrote:

The operative words in that are "Hold onto their Jobs"Â Â  Congress has become 
the golden ticket. Until we figure out some way to start prying them out of 
the seats and make the seats just another job we are pretty much screwed and 
will get more screwed right until it all falls apart.   I probably have 
around 20 years left.  It's gonna be interesting to see what kills me first.

On 3/31/22 9:45 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

Partisan politics sucks.  Both parties have planks in their platform that I 
support.  Both have repugnant policy goals.Â
One on one I enjoyed my time with members of congress.  But they have to play 
a mean game to hold onto their jobs.Â
Â
From: Darin Steffl
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2022 10:40 AM
To: Chuck McCown
Cc: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Political VAX
Â
How brainwashed do they need to be to want the covid IV treatment to try and 
save their lives while denying they have covid? It really makes me sad how 
easily these people can be manipulated.
Â
Pretty much all fox "news" hosts are fully vaccinated yet they make their 
viewers question the vaccine. Trump is vaxxed and boosted and he has been booed 
on stage when he said that.
Â
I would love to be able to vote for some GO

Re: [AFMUG] OT Political VAX

[Brian Webster]

Term limits and the ban on lobbying have to go hand in hand, without that 
former politicians just become lobbyists, kind of like how FCC commissioners do 
now….. They have laws for people like lowly contract negotiators in the Navy 
that forbids them from dealing with any companies they negotiated contracts 
with for 10 years after leaving service.

 

Brian

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Friday, April 1, 2022 12:27 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Political VAX

 

Another big issue is lobbying. I'm pretty much of the opinion that should be 
outlawed, at least in the current form (which is basically bribery).


On Friday, April 1, 2022, Nate Burke  wrote:

Forgive my History, but isn't that how it 'used' to be?  You went to congress 
for the congressional session, but ran your normal business when not in DC?  It 
wasn't your full time job.  Although that thinking will open up a whole hive of 
'then only the rich can afford to run the country'

On 4/1/2022 8:36 AM, Robert wrote:

More like 2 years, but that would be a better system than what we have 
created...  Maybe you don't have to pay taxes those two years and you get free 
medical.

On 4/1/22 5:30 AM, D. Bernardi wrote:



Maybe being a representative in Congress should work more like jury duty. Have 
a few professional committee politicians and the rest 'regular people' to get 
the job done.  Dear Mr Jones, you are hereby summons to report to Congress for 
the next 6 months.


At 06:32 PM 3/31/2022, you wrote:

The operative words in that are "Hold onto their Jobs"Â Â  Congress has become 
the golden ticket. Until we figure out some way to start prying them out of 
the seats and make the seats just another job we are pretty much screwed and 
will get more screwed right until it all falls apart.   I probably have 
around 20 years left.  It's gonna be interesting to see what kills me first.

On 3/31/22 9:45 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

Partisan politics sucks.  Both parties have planks in their platform that I 
support.  Both have repugnant policy goals.Â
One on one I enjoyed my time with members of congress.  But they have to play 
a mean game to hold onto their jobs.Â
Â
From: Darin Steffl
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2022 10:40 AM
To: Chuck McCown
Cc: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Political VAX
Â
How brainwashed do they need to be to want the covid IV treatment to try and 
save their lives while denying they have covid? It really makes me sad how 
easily these people can be manipulated.
Â
Pretty much all fox "news" hosts are fully vaccinated yet they make their 
viewers question the vaccine. Trump is vaxxed and boosted and he has been booed 
on stage when he said that.
Â
I would love to be able to vote for some GOP members but they keep proving to 
me they're so far off the deep end, I don't see how I possibly could. I'm all 
for moderate politicians and so far, Biden has been fairly moderate and not 
pandering too much to the far left. And I wish GOP members would stop pandering 
to the far right beliefs that are killing people with covid and causing them to 
storm the capitol because they think the election was stolen. Obviously, it was 
not. I'm firmly against any politician that shows they're anti-lgbtq. It's 2022 
so it's time to let people love who they love without hating on them.
Â
Republicans need to do a better job standing up to the nut jobs in their party 
like trump, Madison cawthorn, Marjorie Taylor Green, and some other crazy lady 
who dropped out of highschool. All they do is spew hate and don't actually 
legislate.
Â
On Thu, Mar 31, 2022, 11:30 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:
We buried some anti vaxers in our neighborhood.Â
My daughter in law worked at an infusion clinic where they gave them the IV 
treatment.Â
Â
She saw very frightened anti vaxers all day long every day begging for 
treatment.Â
And some begging for treatment while denying it was covid.Â
Â
From: Darin Steffl
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2022 10:19 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Cc: Chuck McCown
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Political VAX
Â
Anti-vaxers, anti-maskers, covid hoax believers are all ignorant to actual data 
unfortunately. They believe science is fake, rigged, and that somehow their 
favorite far right TV personalities or podcast hosts are smarter than Doctors 
and Scientists.
Â
Greenie here and I know more than a few people who have had Covid 2-3 times and 
they screamed the last 2 years that they wouldn't get Covid because they had 
natural immunity. How'd that turn out for them?!?! Did they admit they were 
wrong? Of course not because they'd rather dig their heels in and be wrong 10x 
worse than admit fault and do the right thing.
Â
On Thu, Mar 31, 2022 at 11:05 AM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
Utah.Â
Yeah, you don’t need no stinking vax.Â
(Orange no vax, blue vax, green boosted)
Â
I might even go to a movie for the first time in 2 years. But I 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Political VAX

[Brian Webster]

I would agree. When you look at issue by issue, the public tends to be more 
united than not. More united on ways to deal with problems. You know most folks 
if you take the party out of the issue, they can come to common ground.

 

“But they have to play a mean game to hold onto their jobs. “ Oh man this is so 
true. They need the votes but they typically don’t care about those when it 
comes to money, PAC’s and donors are who they pander to.

 

There is no money in solving the problem. You can’t fix things and keep people 
scared enough to keep giving you money. Good example, the wall and immigration. 
You worried about too many illegals and building the wall? These same 
politicians arguing about this also have the power to change immigration laws 
and quotas. Raise the quotas and change the requirements to become a citizen 
and people no longer are called illegals. But that solves a problem and we 
can’t have that. Another case in point, flat tax. Flat tax doesn’t create 
winters and losers so if it’s complex tax code, people are always coming to you 
to win favor by altering the tax code. Politicians have power this way. Simple 
does not create power. All politicians I believe are narcissists for this 
reason. They thrive on having some level of power. Why do you think they don’t 
have terms limits, or have crazy campaign laws that allow to keep campaign 
funds when they no longer intend to run….. Why if you only have to be in 
congress for 6 years, you can retire with the same pay as in office and have 
full health insurance? Only 6 years, why do you stay longer? Because they love 
power and staying longer builds more power.

 

Brian

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2022 12:45 PM
To: Darin Steffl
Cc: Chuck McCown; AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Political VAX

 

Partisan politics sucks.  Both parties have planks in their platform that I 
support.  Both have repugnant policy goals.  

One on one I enjoyed my time with members of congress.  But they have to play a 
mean game to hold onto their jobs.  

 

From: Darin Steffl 

Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2022 10:40 AM

To: Chuck McCown 

Cc: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Political VAX

 

How brainwashed do they need to be to want the covid IV treatment to try and 
save their lives while denying they have covid? It really makes me sad how 
easily these people can be manipulated. 

 

Pretty much all fox "news" hosts are fully vaccinated yet they make their 
viewers question the vaccine. Trump is vaxxed and boosted and he has been booed 
on stage when he said that.

 

I would love to be able to vote for some GOP members but they keep proving to 
me they're so far off the deep end, I don't see how I possibly could. I'm all 
for moderate politicians and so far, Biden has been fairly moderate and not 
pandering too much to the far left. And I wish GOP members would stop pandering 
to the far right beliefs that are killing people with covid and causing them to 
storm the capitol because they think the election was stolen. Obviously, it was 
not. I'm firmly against any politician that shows they're anti-lgbtq. It's 2022 
so it's time to let people love who they love without hating on them.

 

Republicans need to do a better job standing up to the nut jobs in their party 
like trump, Madison cawthorn, Marjorie Taylor Green, and some other crazy lady 
who dropped out of highschool. All they do is spew hate and don't actually 
legislate. 

 

On Thu, Mar 31, 2022, 11:30 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:

We buried some anti vaxers in our neighborhood.  

My daughter in law worked at an infusion clinic where they gave them the IV 
treatment.  

 

She saw very frightened anti vaxers all day long every day begging for 
treatment.  

And some begging for treatment while denying it was covid.  

 

From: Darin Steffl 

Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2022 10:19 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Cc: Chuck McCown 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Political VAX

 

Anti-vaxers, anti-maskers, covid hoax believers are all ignorant to actual data 
unfortunately. They believe science is fake, rigged, and that somehow their 
favorite far right TV personalities or podcast hosts are smarter than Doctors 
and Scientists. 

 

Greenie here and I know more than a few people who have had Covid 2-3 times and 
they screamed the last 2 years that they wouldn't get Covid because they had 
natural immunity. How'd that turn out for them?!?! Did they admit they were 
wrong? Of course not because they'd rather dig their heels in and be wrong 10x 
worse than admit fault and do the right thing.

 

On Thu, Mar 31, 2022 at 11:05 AM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

Utah.  

Yeah, you don’t need no stinking vax.  

(Orange no vax, blue vax, green boosted)

 

I might even go to a movie for the first time in 2 years.  But I am a greenie...

 

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[AFMUG] Emission designators EPMP 400 and EPMP 3000

[Brian Webster]

Does anyone know where I can find the emission designators for the Cambium
EPMP400 and 3000 series. I have been digging all over the interwebs and
obviously I am not using the correct search terms.

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Obscure product search: flippable, locking mount for omni on side of vehicle

[Brian Webster]

Something like these? Just be careful as to the coax loss for the frequencies 
you want to use this for. Most of these are for much lower frequencies and will 
probably have horrible loss at higher frequencies.

 

https://www.amazon.com/Nagoya-RB-700N-Universal-Hatchbacks-Adjustable/dp/B07CQQJ7CN/ref=sr_1_4?keywords=nmo+antenna+mount
 
<https://www.amazon.com/Nagoya-RB-700N-Universal-Hatchbacks-Adjustable/dp/B07CQQJ7CN/ref=sr_1_4?keywords=nmo+antenna+mount=1646939566=8-4>
 =1646939566=8-4

 

https://www.amazon.com/Bingfu-Vehicle-Transceiver-Bulkhead-Connector/dp/B07R7RBGXF/ref=sr_1_3?crid=QXF0EV62S68P
 
<https://www.amazon.com/Bingfu-Vehicle-Transceiver-Bulkhead-Connector/dp/B07R7RBGXF/ref=sr_1_3?crid=QXF0EV62S68P=fold+over+mobile+antenna+bracket=1646939640=fold+over+mobile+antenna+bracket%2Caps%2C49=8-3>
 
=fold+over+mobile+antenna+bracket=1646939640=fold+over+mobile+antenna+bracket%2Caps%2C49=8-3

 

https://www.amazon.com/Bewinner-Adjustable-Antenna-Rotation-Anti-Scratch/dp/B07QS97KJM/ref=sr_1_16?crid=QXF0EV62S68P
 
<https://www.amazon.com/Bewinner-Adjustable-Antenna-Rotation-Anti-Scratch/dp/B07QS97KJM/ref=sr_1_16?crid=QXF0EV62S68P=fold+over+mobile+antenna+bracket=1646939640=fold+over+mobile+antenna+bracket%2Caps%2C49=8-16>
 
=fold+over+mobile+antenna+bracket=1646939640=fold+over+mobile+antenna+bracket%2Caps%2C49=8-16

 

https://www.amazon.com/Bingfu-Vehicle-Antenna-Connector-Transceiver/dp/B07RBNVVZZ/ref=sr_1_20?crid=QXF0EV62S68P
 
<https://www.amazon.com/Bingfu-Vehicle-Antenna-Connector-Transceiver/dp/B07RBNVVZZ/ref=sr_1_20?crid=QXF0EV62S68P=fold+over+mobile+antenna+bracket=1646939640=fold+over+mobile+antenna+bracket%2Caps%2C49=8-20>
 
=fold+over+mobile+antenna+bracket=1646939640=fold+over+mobile+antenna+bracket%2Caps%2C49=8-20

 

https://www.amazon.com/RS-660U-Roof-antenna-mount-opening/dp/B00FYUI1RA/ref=sr_1_21?crid=QXF0EV62S68P
 
<https://www.amazon.com/RS-660U-Roof-antenna-mount-opening/dp/B00FYUI1RA/ref=sr_1_21?crid=QXF0EV62S68P=fold+over+mobile+antenna+bracket=1646939640=fold+over+mobile+antenna+bracket%2Caps%2C49=8-21>
 
=fold+over+mobile+antenna+bracket=1646939640=fold+over+mobile+antenna+bracket%2Caps%2C49=8-21

 

 

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

214 Eggleston Hill Rd.

Cooperstown, NY 13326

(607) 643-4055 Office

(607) 435-3988 Mobile

www.wirelessmapping.com

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Colin Stanners
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2022 12:06 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: [AFMUG] Obscure product search: flippable, locking mount for omni on 
side of vehicle

 

Hi all, I'm looking at an option for better/more reliable data access on 
stationary business vehicles. If there was a position-locking flippable mount 
installed on the side of the vehicle, a 2-3ft thin omni could be installed that 
would flip down for transport and be manually flipped up for use. Of course 
that has a risk of damage if forgotten but there are other solutions for that. 
I was wondering if anyone had seen a commercial product that would work for 
this.  Thank you.

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Re: [AFMUG] POTS line over IP network?

[Brian Webster]

Maybe you can suggest to them to run fiber between the buildings to improve 
data connectivity and then use the CAT6 for the phone line?

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Craig Baird
Sent: Friday, March 4, 2022 11:02 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POTS line over IP network?

 

Thanks Daniel. This looks like exactly what I was looking for. I think I'll 
grab these and give it a try, if for nothing else than just to learn something 
new. If for some reason it doesn't work out, I can look at other options like 
running wire outside the building.

 

Craig

 

 

On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 12:38 PM Daniel White  wrote:

I've not personally done this, but I'd be a Grandstream HT801 for the FXS port 
and a Grandstream HT813 for the FXO port would work.

This document outlines the config - 
https://www.grandstream.com/hubfs/Product_Documentation/Peering_HT8XX_with_HT813.pdf?hsLang=en

 


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 <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> Chuck McCown via AF

March 3, 2022 at 11:06

I have done it with FXS to FXO ATAs.  

 

From: dmmoff...@gmail.com 

Sent: Thursday, March 3, 2022 10:55 AM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POTS line over IP network?

 

Yeah.  The Linksys/Sipura SPA equipment could do that.  You’d get a device with 
the FXO port on one end (I think SPA3000) and then an ATA at the other end.  

I don’t think that feature set survived the transition to Cisco…..I’m afraid I 
don’t know the modern equivalent.

 

Adtran Total Access can do that too, but that’s an expensive solution for a 
gift shop.

 

Asterisk boxes with an FXO card on one end and FXS card on the other…..a little 
creativity with the dialplan and you’re off to the races.  That might be cheap 
enough, but this may not be practical for everyone.  I’m pretty certain it 
would work, it would just burn a lot of your time.

 

I’d hope somebody here knows the current good/cheap option, but I’m afraid I 
don’t.

 

 

 

From: AF  <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>  On Behalf 
Of Craig Baird
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2022 12:48 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> 
Subject: [AFMUG] POTS line over IP network?

 

Is anyone aware of a device that will take a POTS line from the telco, convert 
it to IP, and then somewhere on the network convert it back into a normal 
analog POTs line to plug into an analog handset?

 

Basically, I have a customer who owns a gift shop. They have a restaurant in a 
separate building behind the gift shop. Currently, they have a POTS line that 
is strung from the demarc, and across the ceiling of the gift shop. At the 
rear, it exits the gift shop and makes its way into the restaurant where it 
eventually plugs into a phone. They want to get rid of the wire that runs 
across the ceiling because it looks crazy stupid. Unfortunately, there's a 
reason the wire was originally run that way--there isn't really another way to 
get it to the restaurant without tearing a bunch of stuff apart (lack of attic 
and crawlspace). However, I do have an ethernet network in place between the 
two buildings, and can relatively easily get a wire from the demarc to a 
network switch.

 

So, what I'm envisioning is a pair of boxes. One of the boxes plugs into 
Ethernet has an FXS port to plug in the POTS line. The other box, also plugs 
into Ethernet and has an FXO port to plug in the phone. They see each other 
over the IP network, and magically transport the POTS line to where it needs to 
be.

 

Do such devices exist?

 

Craig

 


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 <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> dmmoff...@gmail.com

March 3, 2022 at 10:55

Yeah.  The Linksys/Sipura SPA equipment could do that.  You’d get a device with 
the FXO port on one end (I think SPA3000) and then an ATA at the other end.  

I don’t think that feature set survived the transition to Cisco…..I’m afraid I 
don’t know the modern equivalent.

 

Adtran Total Access can do that too, but that’s an expensive solution for a 
gift shop.

 

Asterisk boxes with an FXO card on one end and FXS card on the other…..a little 
creativity with the dialplan and you’re off to the races.  That might be cheap 
enough, but this may not be practical for everyone.  I’m pretty certain it 
would work, it would just burn a lot of your time.

 

I’d hope somebody here knows the current good/cheap option, but I’m afraid I 
don’t.

 

 

 

From: AF  <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>  On Behalf 
Of Craig Baird
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2022 12:48 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> 
Subject: [AFMUG] POTS line over I

Re: [AFMUG] Glad to be part of this mailing list

[Brian Webster]

And good music J

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2022 9:31 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Glad to be part of this mailing list

 

You bring food and weather girl pics to the table

 

On Tue, Feb 15, 2022, 8:11 PM Jaime Solorza  wrote:

Standards? So how did I get in? 

 

On Tue, Feb 15, 2022, 4:06 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

We don’t just let anyone be part of the group either... we have our standards 
you know.  

 

From: Cameron Crum 

Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2022 3:57 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Glad to be part of this mailing list

 

You made it! Welcome!

 

On Tue, Feb 15, 2022 at 4:30 PM John Scrivner  wrote:

I tried to join here a long time ago but had no luck. Hoping I am in the 
mailing list group now. I know there are a lot of good folks on here.  

All the best,

John Scrivner

VP - Broadband

Live Oak Bank

618-237-2387




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Re: [AFMUG] OT Numbers

[Brian Webster]

They want 2 months ahead of time if you are moving around and creating new 
accounts. I have been in the house for 22 years and keep paying my bills with 
no plans on moving or opening any new electric accounts. They don't ask for 2 
months in advance for that. Again I have been through bad credit times and the 
perceived needs for the good credit score. Didn't like it then and worked 
towards not needing to be in that system. It takes a lot of work and deliberate 
efforts to get to that state. They don't teach anyone easily how to do that and 
they don't want you to know how to easily. There is a lot of money being made 
in the business of debt in this world. I try to stay on the outside edge of all 
that. It's a personal choice, but I am proof that you don't absolutely need a 
good credit score and the current debt system to get along in life. If everyone 
were to do what I have done, it would create a big slowdown in the economy 
anyway. First people would have to pay down their existing debt, then they 
would need to transition to getting money saved up to have the money before 
they buy something. For expensive durable goods that would be a big lull in 
sales. My opinion for what a person needs debt for on a personal level, a house 
definitely and maybe a car. But that car can be a lot less of a car and a lot 
less cost to do the job a person needs it to do. But in all fairness back in my 
20's and 30's there is no way in hell you could have ever convinced me of that. 
I do remember the feeling of power I thought I had when I could get loans as 
easily as I did, even when I was trading cars and going upside down on every 
trade. I still thought I was on top of the world with my credit and credit 
rating. Life changed and I had a huge drop in income that I could not afford 
the style of life I was indebted for. I got a lesson in humility real quick. Do 
I want they nice car and car payment or a house to live in and drive a piece of 
crap used car? A lesson that was never forgotten that is for sure. Even 
voluntarily had a car repossessed, they auctioned it off, didn't get anywhere 
near what I owed them because of all the upside down trades. The bank was so 
kind as to set up a payment plan with me to pay off the difference. So I still 
got to make car loan payments for another 4 years on a dead horse. Youth and 
stupidity of living at my means never giving thought to the idea that income 
could change and that I might want to live below my current means

When they changed all the bankruptcy laws years ago and the credit card 
companies got a lot of concessions and such, I wasn't a big fan of the 
streamlined legal process they got out of the deal. So I decided to get out of 
that system. Most people think I am crazy and some sort of super rich person to 
be able to do this. Not the case, just an average guy who changed a lot of his 
personal spending patterns and methods of living. It's not for everyone and 
that's fine. I am not trying to live like everyone anyway. I tried that before 
and it did not turn out well for me.

Thank you,
Brian Webster


-Original Message-
From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert
Sent: Monday, February 14, 2022 5:36 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Numbers

If you have less than 500, electric companies want 2 months ahead of 
time..   It gets worse if you get below 400...

On 2/14/22 2:09 PM, Brian Webster wrote:
> I have no idea what my credit score is and have not needed to know it for the 
> last 20 years. The only subscription stuff I have are electricity and phone 
> lines. Cell phone service I found good prepaid/debit card paid solutions that 
> work great for me. I can still do electronic transactions using debit/credit 
> cards attached to my back accounts. I can still book travel including pane 
> tickets and such and haven't had any issues in that time. The kicker though 
> is that I am using my cash either in advance or immediately at the time of 
> purchase/consumption. The upside to that for me personally has been that I am 
> a bit more conservative in the things I spend that money on because I don't 
> have that 30 day float. I am also forced to keep more money set aside for 
> things that most people consider "emergencies" that most people swear they 
> need a credit card or two for. Now admittedly because my business is 
> consulting and not materials and inventory based, I have had the luxury of 
> being able to develop and live my life this way. Not everyone in business can 
> do that and I get and respect that point. I have also lived through a couple 
> of tough times (and an ex-wife) in my younger years where I believed I 
> absolutely had to have credit and credit cards etc. What I learned the hard 
> way, was that I was just living beyond my means and I didn't want to admit 
> it. I was sucked in to the consumerism and hadn't learned t

Re: [AFMUG] OT Numbers

[Brian Webster]

I have no idea what my credit score is and have not needed to know it for the 
last 20 years. The only subscription stuff I have are electricity and phone 
lines. Cell phone service I found good prepaid/debit card paid solutions that 
work great for me. I can still do electronic transactions using debit/credit 
cards attached to my back accounts. I can still book travel including pane 
tickets and such and haven't had any issues in that time. The kicker though is 
that I am using my cash either in advance or immediately at the time of 
purchase/consumption. The upside to that for me personally has been that I am a 
bit more conservative in the things I spend that money on because I don't have 
that 30 day float. I am also forced to keep more money set aside for things 
that most people consider "emergencies" that most people swear they need a 
credit card or two for. Now admittedly because my business is consulting and 
not materials and inventory based, I have had the luxury of being able to 
develop and live my life this way. Not everyone in business can do that and I 
get and respect that point. I have also lived through a couple of tough times 
(and an ex-wife) in my younger years where I believed I absolutely had to have 
credit and credit cards etc. What I learned the hard way, was that I was just 
living beyond my means and I didn't want to admit it. I was sucked in to the 
consumerism and hadn't learned that some things are good enough and cost less. 
I certainly don't miss the pressure of excessive debt load in my personal life. 

Thank you,
Brian Webster

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From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert
Sent: Monday, February 14, 2022 4:48 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Numbers

Have you had a low ( less than 700 ) credit score in the last 15 
years?   It really does interesting things to when you buy any kind of 
subscription service ( except ISP )

On 2/14/22 12:38 PM, Brian Webster wrote:
> If I am not borrowing money and getting in to or staying in debt, why the 
> hell do I care about my credit score anyway. That's just another construct 
> people have been lulled in to believing. I just save money and pay for this 
> once I have the cash. I am also saving up for my eventual care when I get 
> old, not expecting the government to have to pay for my old age care. You 
> know actually thinking ahead and having a savings for those eventualities and 
> the fact that inflation happens at a faster pace when you are retired and do 
> not have any more earning power. The money has to last the rest of your life. 
> Inflation still happens after you retire. But my thoughts like that are lost 
> on most of society and like Mike Hammett is fond of quoting today "most"  :-)
>
>
> Thank you,
> Brian Webster
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
> Sent: Monday, February 14, 2022 3:10 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Numbers
>
> If you keep as little as $20 on only one of your credit cards, your
> credit score goes up 50 points.   This is the absolute proof that the
> money changers are gaming the system...   The confirmation of that is
> the lowered rates for things like insurance for higher credit scores and
> how higher credit scores contribute to your evaluation by HR for new jobs...
>> 
>>
>> On 2/14/2022 11:29 AM, Jan-GAMs wrote:
>>> The bank really hates you if you have no debt, can't get a loan if you
>>> have no debt.  My newest car is 22 years old.  My other work truck is
>>> 54.  My house is paid for.  I'm thinking of putting in solar panels
>>> and converting my 3rd car into an EV and eventually converting the
>>> house and well to solar too.  F*** the greedy power company and the
>>> rigged banks.
>>>
>>> On 2/14/22 11:15, Brian Webster wrote:
>>>> Living in rural America I am not a fan of the range limitations. For
>>>> me it's not uncommon to have to take a trip 60 to 90 miles in one
>>>> direction and then back in the same day. It's also not uncommon to
>>>> want to take a trip and covers 300 or more miles in that day on the
>>>> long trip. I do not want to be limited to 250 miles before I have to
>>>> stop for an extended period to recharge. Personally that is a serious
>>>> limit on my personal freedom of movement. For instance it's not
>>>> uncommon for spring or winter breaks to drive from upstate NY to
>>>> Florida in a single 24 hour period. When you only have a week for
>>>> vacation tag team driving to get there with a carload of people is
>>>> still cheaper than try to fly everyone. Also the restriction of being
>>&g

Re: [AFMUG] OT Numbers

[Brian Webster]

I wouldn’t say it’s a wasted effort on cars. I can warm up to the idea. Think 
of it like you being a contractor building a house and you only having one 
battery pack for your cordless drill. You have to stop production and wait 
until the battery is charged if you don’t have a swappable battery. If however 
you have spare swappable battery packs, well then you can keep moving by just 
swapping the battery and recharge the other at the same time.

 

If the battery pack power density gets to the point where you just have all the 
cars allocate the space(s) to fit a more universal battery pack or packs, then 
you can just pull up to a chagrining/swap station, do the swap thing and be on 
your way. That concept is one part of the workable solution that I could get 
behind. That would also allow to use off peak grid time to build up capacity 
for the transportation needs at peak times by recharging the depleted packs 
that have been put back in to the recharging ports. Kind of like the same 
freedom we enjoy with the storage of energy using fossil fuels. They do 
something similar with the 20 pound propane bottle exchanges at many 
convenience stores these days. Heck it would even allow you to set up energy 
points where there isn’t grid capacity enough or even available at all. Put a 
good amount of solar panels at the charge/exchange stations and I like the idea 
even better.

 

But the huge problem with that is getting all of the car manufacturers to agree 
to do so and standardize on the battery size, form factor…. I could see a 
pickup truck having slots to put more than one battery pack under the bed and 
really give great range.

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Monday, February 14, 2022 4:34 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Numbers

 

Tesla was planning for their semi trucks to. Not sure if that remains or not.

 

It seems like a lot of wasted effort for mainstream cars.



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From: "Jan-GAMs" 
To: af@af.afmug.com
Sent: Monday, February 14, 2022 3:28:58 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Numbers

It seems pretty obvious that EVs need a swap-able battery so re-charging 
can be as quick as a gas fill-up.

On 2/14/22 11:46, Robert Andrews wrote:
> If you are doing a 300 mile trip, your stop at a supercharger for a 
> Model Y would be about 10 minutes to add another 150 miles, so that's 
> not bad when you would be stopping at a gas station for 10 minutes as 
> well.  ( I haven't ever gotten out and put even 10 gallons in in less 
> that 7 minutes with using the card and all that, you don't do any of 
> that at a supercharger )   As far as towing is going, I think you will 
> see more and more of the Electric Airstream campers coming down the 
> road that have electric assist, to remove the range losses.   There 
> are used EV's on the market and the only reason the prices are high is 
> because the demand is there, the prices will drop as more used ones 
> hit the market, but they will come with reduced range, which is a loss 
> and a gain because the rest of the drivetrain will have a lot more use 
> than a 60K+ ICE vehicle...   So the only takeaway is that it's still a 
> rapidly evolving market, but the ICE builders already see the writing 
> on the wall  New teslas come with integrated battery packs which I 
> think is going to be a problem in the future, but I am not going to be 
> the one dealing with that...
>
> On 2/14/22 11:15, Brian Webster wrote:
>> Living in rural America I am not a fan of the range limitations. For 
>> me it's not uncommon to have to take a trip 60 to 90 miles in one 
>> direction and then back in the same day. It's also not uncommon to 
>> want to take a trip and covers 300 or more miles in that day on the 
>> long trip. I do not want to be limited to 250 miles before I have to 
>> stop for an extended period to recharge. Personally that is a serious 
>> limit on my personal freedom of movement. For instance it's not 
>> uncommon for spring or winter breaks to drive from upstate NY to 
>> Florida in a single 24 hour period. When you only have a week for 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Numbers

[Brian Webster]

You assume everyone lives where there are traffic jams. Here in NY outside of 
that city, it’s not an unusual occurrence that you are sitting at the traffic 
light by yourself. We consider heavy traffic when there are 3 or 4 cars waiting 
at the light. WE can almost always assume that a trip that is 60 miles takes 
about 60 minutes. That’s our reality here as is most of the areas I traveled 
all over the US building cellular networks. 

 

When 92% of the population lives in about 8% of the land area in the US, 
shoving solutions to problems that typically only apply to that 8% land area 
causes grief. The broad paintbrush approach dictated by people who don’t have a 
wide field of view, well it kind of sucks to the rest of us who decided not to 
live in that 8% area. When you have to mandate things rather than get voluntary 
cooperation, well the ideas are probably not as good as you want to believe and 
that certainly does not show leadership. As a WISP I am sure you can relate. 
Spectrum policy in the US is based on that 8% of the land area. All the crying 
about spectrum congestion is simply a fallacy outside those areas. Take a 
spectrum analyzer and scan around outside of the top NFL markets, count the 
hundreds of thousands of megahertz where there is zero activity. 

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Monday, February 14, 2022 4:30 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Numbers

 

OTOH, when an EV is sitting still in a traffic jamb, it's consuming zero fuel. 
In the meantime, your ICE vehicle is getting 0 MPG.

 

bp


On 2/14/2022 1:15 PM, Brian Webster wrote:

I shudder at the thoughts of how much of a cluster f**K an evacuation from an 
hurricane or flood prone area will be with all electric cars and the number of 
people who haven’t charged their cars up enough to get out of the evacuation 
zone. 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Numbers

[Brian Webster]

Well that is kind of a good point that I want to have people think about. You 
still have your ICE vehicle to fall back on. Being forced in to the restricted 
ability on the distance you can travel from your point of origin is not the 
American way. Kind of like having to wear an ankle bracelet, but this one has a 
long enough leash you don’t think you will ever exceed that leash length, that 
is until YOU need it to be longer and now you can’t have it any longer because 
the die has been cast. I am always amazed by the outrage of a rule or 
regulation that finally infringes on a group of people that didn’t ever think 
it was a big deal because to them personally they never thought it would be a 
big deal or affect them personally.

 

When politicians get so they think they are doing good things for society, 
there are always things like the law of unintended consequences….. Politicians 
are too busy thinking about the next election cycle and raising campaign funds 
to do any serious long term thought or planning. It’s the nature of that beast. 
It would be nice if society could adopt a thought process of giving 
consideration for how things might affect others even if they think it would 
never apply to them. The “hey that doesn’t make a difference to me” mentality 
is always worrisome to me. I have always maintained that things like freedom of 
speech should be maintained even when I absolutely hate what someone is saying. 
I don’t have to agree with them to want to defend their right and freedom. Same 
thing with religion. If we don’t defend those rights, who is to say that 
someday the majority of others don’t agree with you or your religion or right 
to want to speak? If you have allowed the freedom to be modified or restricted 
based on a previous belief that your belief at the time was righteous, but you 
now find yourself in the minority….well that is how liberty is lost. But I 
probably sound like a grumpy old fart…lol

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Monday, February 14, 2022 4:00 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Numbers

 

It's a valid point. Pretty much every town with a population of more than 500 
has at least one gas station, so you're not really doing any planning. Most 
small towns (once you get off the interstates) don't have a public charger, 
much less fast chargers, and there are still places where there's really no 
realistic way to go with my Tesla (that said, I have yet to want to go to one 
of those places, and if I did, I'd just drive my Jeep and get 16 MPG...).

 

But I'd still argue that for 90% of people EVs are actually more convenient. 

 

On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 2:52 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:

You plan your trips around gas stations, why not chargers?



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From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Sent: Monday, February 14, 2022 2:49:51 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Numbers

>plan your trip around chargers

 

This is straight awful IMO.  I want to stop when I want to stop, not when I 
need to stop.

 

You're absolutely forced to do lunch within a few steps of that charger.  If 
you don't mind fast food that's probably a moot point, but when I go to a 
different area I absolutely do not want anything like that or anything I'm 
routinely familiar with.

 

Different strokes, different folks.  I looked at a Taycan and while it drives 
amazing, the trunk is worse than the Panamera (seriously wtf) and the range 
issue is a killer for me (being my daily).

 

On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 3:43 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:

If you're doing 300-500 miles in a day regularly, an EV probably isn't for you 
at this point. 1-2 times a year, plan your trip around chargers and see the 
sites that happen to be around those chargers, or rent a gas car.

 

But even now, I really don't think any of that would be a problem in, say, a 
new Tesla Model S with 400 miles or range... Superchargers are everywhere, and 
they really don't take that long. to go 500 miles in a day, you'd probably be 
talking one 20 minute stop... that's basically lunch.

 

On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 2:33 PM Josh Luthman  
wrote:

Sure, but let's say it's 1-2 times a year.  W

Re: [AFMUG] OT Numbers

[Brian Webster]

And again doing any of this forces the purchase/replacement of the vehicles I 
already own and have owned for 10 plus years that are paid for. I have examine 
the idea of replacing a low gas mileage vehicle many times. The difference in 
gas mileage is not enough even at today’s gas prices for me to justify going 
out and spending 10, 20, 30 or in the case of a truck or SUV up to 80 grand for 
the cost of that new vehicle. I can buy a lot of extra gas for 30 or 40 grand. 
You people seem to think that driving an EV is free. 

 

Again back to the debt thing, for those folks who just constantly live their 
life always having some sort of car payment, migrating from ICE to EV seems 
like an easy gradual transition. And in those cases it usually is, those same 
people tend to drive those daily short trips that are well within the range 
capacity of an EV. 

 

Until the EV charging stations are everywhere, and the electric grid can 
support them, I just cannot accept that restriction of the travel freedom. One 
of the few freedoms we do still enjoy unencumbered in the US if the ability to 
just get in your car and go wherever the road takes you and you can even put a 
gas can or two in your car to extend that. I am also a person who works in 
emergency management. I shudder at the thoughts of how much of a cluster f**K 
an evacuation from an hurricane or flood prone area will be with all electric 
cars and the number of people who haven’t charged their cars up enough to get 
out of the evacuation zone. I am not a prepper but I do think about contingency 
plans should something happen. The infrastructure for EV’s for charging and 
such just does not seem to be enough yet. Of course that is a chicken and egg 
problem to solve I know.

 

Wait until the government figures out how to get you to pay your highway tax 
fees. Right now they have been doing it through the cost per gallon of fuel. 
They obviously have to rethink that as more and more EV’s are put on the road. 
Right now ICE vehicles are paying for it, that is unless you are the type that 
actually claims all the miles driven on your tax forms at the end of the year 
and you pay your share of the road taxes. You know like everyone does when they 
claim items they buy outside their state on the internet and willingly send in 
that sales tax money to their state and local governments.

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, February 14, 2022 3:54 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Numbers

 

I'm not.  I can go 500 miles on a tank.  There is a gas station at almost every 
single exit.  The last I looked, with Chargeway, the chargers are less often 
than rest areas.

 

On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 3:52 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:

You plan your trips around gas stations, why not chargers?



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From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Sent: Monday, February 14, 2022 2:49:51 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Numbers

>plan your trip around chargers

 

This is straight awful IMO.  I want to stop when I want to stop, not when I 
need to stop.

 

You're absolutely forced to do lunch within a few steps of that charger.  If 
you don't mind fast food that's probably a moot point, but when I go to a 
different area I absolutely do not want anything like that or anything I'm 
routinely familiar with.

 

Different strokes, different folks.  I looked at a Taycan and while it drives 
amazing, the trunk is worse than the Panamera (seriously wtf) and the range 
issue is a killer for me (being my daily).

 

On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 3:43 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:

If you're doing 300-500 miles in a day regularly, an EV probably isn't for you 
at this point. 1-2 times a year, plan your trip around chargers and see the 
sites that happen to be around those chargers, or rent a gas car.

 

But even now, I really don't think any of that would be a problem in, say, a 
new Tesla Model S with 400 miles or range... Superchargers are everywhere, and 
they really don't take that long. to go 500 miles in a day, you'd probably be 
talking one 20 minute stop... that's basically lunch.

 

On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 2:33 PM Josh Luthman  
wrote:

Sure, bu

Re: [AFMUG] OT Numbers

[Brian Webster]

If I am not borrowing money and getting in to or staying in debt, why the hell 
do I care about my credit score anyway. That's just another construct people 
have been lulled in to believing. I just save money and pay for this once I 
have the cash. I am also saving up for my eventual care when I get old, not 
expecting the government to have to pay for my old age care. You know actually 
thinking ahead and having a savings for those eventualities and the fact that 
inflation happens at a faster pace when you are retired and do not have any 
more earning power. The money has to last the rest of your life. Inflation 
still happens after you retire. But my thoughts like that are lost on most of 
society and like Mike Hammett is fond of quoting today "most"  :-)


Thank you,
Brian Webster


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From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
Sent: Monday, February 14, 2022 3:10 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Numbers

If you keep as little as $20 on only one of your credit cards, your 
credit score goes up 50 points.   This is the absolute proof that the 
money changers are gaming the system...   The confirmation of that is 
the lowered rates for things like insurance for higher credit scores and 
how higher credit scores contribute to your evaluation by HR for new jobs...
> 
> 
> On 2/14/2022 11:29 AM, Jan-GAMs wrote:
>> The bank really hates you if you have no debt, can't get a loan if you 
>> have no debt.  My newest car is 22 years old.  My other work truck is 
>> 54.  My house is paid for.  I'm thinking of putting in solar panels 
>> and converting my 3rd car into an EV and eventually converting the 
>> house and well to solar too.  F*** the greedy power company and the 
>> rigged banks.
>>
>> On 2/14/22 11:15, Brian Webster wrote:
>>> Living in rural America I am not a fan of the range limitations. For 
>>> me it's not uncommon to have to take a trip 60 to 90 miles in one 
>>> direction and then back in the same day. It's also not uncommon to 
>>> want to take a trip and covers 300 or more miles in that day on the 
>>> long trip. I do not want to be limited to 250 miles before I have to 
>>> stop for an extended period to recharge. Personally that is a serious 
>>> limit on my personal freedom of movement. For instance it's not 
>>> uncommon for spring or winter breaks to drive from upstate NY to 
>>> Florida in a single 24 hour period. When you only have a week for 
>>> vacation tag team driving to get there with a carload of people is 
>>> still cheaper than try to fly everyone. Also the restriction of being 
>>> able to haul larger loads similarly are a big limitation. Having a 27 
>>> foot camper to load the family up and take a vacation is not possible 
>>> with the current availability of EV's out there.
>>>
>>> Let's also consider the other elephant in the roof, the actual cost 
>>> of the vehicles. New car prices are outrageous. Personally I like to 
>>> buy used vehicles with higher mileage and typically pay less than 10 
>>> grand(usually a lot less) and pay cash for them. I haven't had a car 
>>> payment in over 15 years and do not want to be forced in to having to 
>>> do so. With getting closer to retirement age every year, I do not 
>>> want to be forced in to incurring debt. For me the goal is to be debt 
>>> free, not have to fork over 30 grand or more just to be able to 
>>> continue to transport myself around. People making decisions like no 
>>> more gas engines for lawn mowers and such, they tend to live in some 
>>> sort of state of constant debt, if they are in government they have 
>>> no concept of not being in debt. Most will think I am crazy for 
>>> thinking this way because society just wants to accept that debt is a 
>>> necessary way of life. That debt for purchasing and converting to 
>>> EV's and getting away from fossil fuels is in my mind not being 
>>> fairly considered in the process.
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>> Brian Webster
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
>>> Sent: Monday, February 14, 2022 1:49 PM
>>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Numbers
>>>
>>> There are also a bunch of real life tests published on Youtube.   Seems
>>> like everyone in the cold wanted to either brag or complain...
>>>
>>> On 2/14/22 09:56, li...@gogebicrange.net wrote:
>>>> Since a lot of you guys seem to have first hand experience with the 
>>>> EV

Re: [AFMUG] OT Numbers

[Brian Webster]

LOL this boomer is actually not a boomer yet, I missed it by a couple of years. 
I am however busing my ass to pay for my last kid in college so they don’t have 
to immediately start life in debt. An honestly why the hell to I have to go in 
to debt to also support the crazy debt lifestyle of everyone else? Not my job 
sorry ;-) I go on vacations in an affordable way when I can but it’s usually 
only on weekends.

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, February 14, 2022 2:23 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Numbers

 

ok boomer, thats pretty selfish, youre not doing this for you, youre doing this 
for your neighbor, why would you hoard all your wealth like that when there are 
people just trying to pay off student debt. sounds like youre spending more 
time on vacations than redistributing your wealth. Hoarding that wealth and not 
putting it back into the economy via interest payments on debt is akin to 
holding onto air you havent breathed yet. youre literally suffocating kittens 
and should be ashamed.

 

Im cancelling you

 

youre cancelled

 

On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 1:16 PM Brian Webster  wrote:

Living in rural America I am not a fan of the range limitations. For me it's 
not uncommon to have to take a trip 60 to 90 miles in one direction and then 
back in the same day. It's also not uncommon to want to take a trip and covers 
300 or more miles in that day on the long trip. I do not want to be limited to 
250 miles before I have to stop for an extended period to recharge. Personally 
that is a serious limit on my personal freedom of movement. For instance it's 
not uncommon for spring or winter breaks to drive from upstate NY to Florida in 
a single 24 hour period. When you only have a week for vacation tag team 
driving to get there with a carload of people is still cheaper than try to fly 
everyone. Also the restriction of being able to haul larger loads similarly are 
a big limitation. Having a 27 foot camper to load the family up and take a 
vacation is not possible with the current availability of EV's out there.

Let's also consider the other elephant in the roof, the actual cost of the 
vehicles. New car prices are outrageous. Personally I like to buy used vehicles 
with higher mileage and typically pay less than 10 grand(usually a lot less) 
and pay cash for them. I haven't had a car payment in over 15 years and do not 
want to be forced in to having to do so. With getting closer to retirement age 
every year, I do not want to be forced in to incurring debt. For me the goal is 
to be debt free, not have to fork over 30 grand or more just to be able to 
continue to transport myself around. People making decisions like no more gas 
engines for lawn mowers and such, they tend to live in some sort of state of 
constant debt, if they are in government they have no concept of not being in 
debt. Most will think I am crazy for thinking this way because society just 
wants to accept that debt is a necessary way of life. That debt for purchasing 
and converting to EV's and getting away from fossil fuels is in my mind not 
being fairly considered in the process.

Thank you,
Brian Webster


-Original Message-
From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
Sent: Monday, February 14, 2022 1:49 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Numbers

There are also a bunch of real life tests published on Youtube.   Seems 
like everyone in the cold wanted to either brag or complain...

On 2/14/22 09:56, li...@gogebicrange.net wrote:
> Since a lot of you guys seem to have first hand experience with the EV’s 
> Ill ask. How do they do on range in cold environments? We have often 
> wondered how they heat the inside of the vehicle in -10F and how it 
> affects the range of the vehicle. Those temps are common for us in 
> January and February.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Brandon
> 
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Monday, February 14, 2022 11:15 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Numbers
> 
> It's not thye electric motors that are at fault. Once the battery tech 
> gets sorted out, there will be no good reason to use dino-fuel.
> 
> bp
> 
> 
> 
> On 2/14/2022 9:11 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
> 
> Sure, but efficiency isn't everything. Fortunately, EVs are also
> better at torque than diesel and gasoline.
> 
> Where they don't shine is range when actually working.
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> 
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchang

Re: [AFMUG] OT Numbers

[Brian Webster]

Living in rural America I am not a fan of the range limitations. For me it's 
not uncommon to have to take a trip 60 to 90 miles in one direction and then 
back in the same day. It's also not uncommon to want to take a trip and covers 
300 or more miles in that day on the long trip. I do not want to be limited to 
250 miles before I have to stop for an extended period to recharge. Personally 
that is a serious limit on my personal freedom of movement. For instance it's 
not uncommon for spring or winter breaks to drive from upstate NY to Florida in 
a single 24 hour period. When you only have a week for vacation tag team 
driving to get there with a carload of people is still cheaper than try to fly 
everyone. Also the restriction of being able to haul larger loads similarly are 
a big limitation. Having a 27 foot camper to load the family up and take a 
vacation is not possible with the current availability of EV's out there.

Let's also consider the other elephant in the roof, the actual cost of the 
vehicles. New car prices are outrageous. Personally I like to buy used vehicles 
with higher mileage and typically pay less than 10 grand(usually a lot less) 
and pay cash for them. I haven't had a car payment in over 15 years and do not 
want to be forced in to having to do so. With getting closer to retirement age 
every year, I do not want to be forced in to incurring debt. For me the goal is 
to be debt free, not have to fork over 30 grand or more just to be able to 
continue to transport myself around. People making decisions like no more gas 
engines for lawn mowers and such, they tend to live in some sort of state of 
constant debt, if they are in government they have no concept of not being in 
debt. Most will think I am crazy for thinking this way because society just 
wants to accept that debt is a necessary way of life. That debt for purchasing 
and converting to EV's and getting away from fossil fuels is in my mind not 
being fairly considered in the process.

Thank you,
Brian Webster


-Original Message-
From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
Sent: Monday, February 14, 2022 1:49 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Numbers

There are also a bunch of real life tests published on Youtube.   Seems 
like everyone in the cold wanted to either brag or complain...

On 2/14/22 09:56, li...@gogebicrange.net wrote:
> Since a lot of you guys seem to have first hand experience with the EV’s 
> Ill ask. How do they do on range in cold environments? We have often 
> wondered how they heat the inside of the vehicle in -10F and how it 
> affects the range of the vehicle. Those temps are common for us in 
> January and February.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Brandon
> 
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Monday, February 14, 2022 11:15 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Numbers
> 
> It's not thye electric motors that are at fault. Once the battery tech 
> gets sorted out, there will be no good reason to use dino-fuel.
> 
> bp
> 
> 
> 
> On 2/14/2022 9:11 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
> 
> Sure, but efficiency isn't everything. Fortunately, EVs are also
> better at torque than diesel and gasoline.
> 
> Where they don't shine is range when actually working.
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> 
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> 
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
> 
> 
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> 
> 
> 
> *From: *"Bill Prince"  <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>
> *To: *af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
> *Sent: *Monday, February 14, 2022 11:06:28 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Numbers
> 
> It's approximately 33 KWH of electricity is equivalent to 1 gallon
> of gasoline (probably less for diesel), so EVs with 60-80 KWH
> batteries are running a couple hundred miles (or more) on the rough
> equivalent of < 3 gallons of gas.
> 
> bp
> 
> 
> 
> On 2/14/2022 8:20 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
> 
> The funny thing is that while diesel has superior performance to
> gasoline

Re: [AFMUG] sms forwarding

[Brian Webster]

Get yourself a Google Voice number. It does SMS like a cell phone as well as 
mms. You can use it from a web browser and text from an actual keyboard. You 
can register other numbers to forward to, and a lot of other features such as 
forward based on the day and hours.

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2022 6:48 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Cc: Chuck McCown
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] sms forwarding

 

But even in the middle of the night, when our phones are working and go to VM, 
be nice for the customers to have a catastrophic end-of-the-world emergency 
number that does not depend on our network to call that would either answer 
live and take a message or be able to receive a text.  In both cases, then 
texts would be sent to us and escalated if we don’t reply.  

 

From: TJ Trout 

Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2022 4:37 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] sms forwarding

 

your voip provider should be able to forward if your network is down, someone 
like callcentric can forward when your ATA isn't registered, and they offer sms 
messaging also

 

On Thu, Feb 10, 2022 at 3:25 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

Today, while doing some power wiring in the C.O. we shorted the battery and 
blew the battery disconnect circuit breaker.

They guy doing it did not know that circuit breaker was behind a panel in the 
rectifier shelf.  If you didn’t know how to open the fancy door that looks like 
a rectifier module you would have never found it.  Took me a few minutes to 
remember there were circuit breakers in there.

 

So everything was down for some time.  Customers wanted to know how to contact 
us in the event our office phones were down (which they were).

 

I would like to have a number they could text that would then forward that text 
to all of us that are involved in tech support.  I googled sms forwarding but 
am not really seeing what I am looking for.

 

Ideas?

An old fashioned call answering service would be nice if they still exist.  
Lots of younger folks prefer texting though.  

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Document Storage

[Brian Webster]

Yes those are all very real issues no doubt. Different issues than having the 
only physical copy and then trying to figure out how to store them and solve 
all of those issues as well. 

 

With storage space so cheap digital copies distributed all over the place 
helps. Physical media and file formats are and always will be an issue. One 
could propose written specs on software to decode the various formats I 
suppose. That takes up a lot less room. We could also pound translation tables 
in to a rock like the Rosetta stone as well. Keeping things in physical format 
is not going to guarantee they can be understood either. Remember school are 
now not teaching cursive in many places. So that will look like Greek 250 years 
from now if that keeps up too. 

 

So many of these documents are of little importance to the mass of people, they 
will be important to select few when you look at the statistics and the reason 
for having to do so. Heck even the census bureau releases the public 
documents/data after so long. It’s not like 20 years of cancelled checks or DMV 
records are going to be the huge archeological find 500 years from now.

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Zach Underwood
Sent: Wednesday, February 9, 2022 2:27 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Document Storage

 

Scanning them into digital form brings up new problems like file format, Are we 
sure we will be able to still open pdf,docx or png files in 250 years like we 
can still do with paper? Also even if we are sure we can open the file format, 
are we sure we can still read the media it is stored on, will the media last 
that long are we going to have to keep moving the files to new storage media 
every few years? 

 

On Wed, Feb 9, 2022 at 2:14 PM Brian Webster  wrote:

In the Navy we had very large Halon system to combat fires in the main 
engineering spaces. If you worked in that space you actually wore a person 
sized breathing device that would last you long enough to get out of that space 
if Halon was activated. And you can bet we had a lot of training about it, the 
alarms, the time you had to get out after the alarm sounded before it was 
deployed etc.

 

In conjunction with the idea of losing documents, we should as a society get 
better at scanning these things. It is so much easier to have multiple diverse 
digital copies of these than the physical paper. Hell the banking industry got 
out of the paper check stuff 20 years ago. Have you looked at old documents 
scanned from original from places like Ancestry.com or Family.searc.org? They 
have links to a lot of governmental document sources, for instance I could see 
scans of the military muster reports for family members in the revolutionary 
war or from the state records of pension payments to civil war veterans. Mind 
boggling that we can now see scans of those original documents.

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Wednesday, February 9, 2022 1:36 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Cc: Chuck McCown
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Document Storage

 

I visited one of those once.  Before going in we had to have a training session 
about the alarms and the controls.  Not sure if we were supposed to do 
something other than leave if the alarm went off.  Maybe there was a delay to 
allow us to exit before releasing the gas.  It was a serious deal.  

 

From: Bill Prince 

Sent: Wednesday, February 9, 2022 11:11 AM

To: af@af.afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Document Storage

 

In my former years, data centers often had halon systems which would displace 
air in the entire data center. They were phased out because no air is just as 
bad for humans as it is for fires.

 

bp


On 2/9/2022 10:03 AM, Zach Underwood wrote:

Automate the whole racking system so that you can purge oxygen out of the whole 
room?

 

On Wed, Feb 9, 2022 at 12:42 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

Wow, I am sure there are lots of irreplaceable documents.  So if you were to 
build one, I wonder how to prevent this same problem?
I guess structural engineering needs to presume all the racks are full of 
water.

-Original Message- 
From: Nate Burke
Sent: Wednesday, February 9, 2022 10:36 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Document Storage

Here in the Chicago suburbs, a 250k sqft document storage warehouse just
burned down.  It took them a week to put out the fire.  30' Racks
stacked with banker boxes, when the building sprinklers hit it, the
paper got waterlogged and got too heavy for the racks to support and
came down, taking roof supports and building sprinkler system down with
them.  Once the roof was opened up, the fire got lots of air, and just
started raging.  With the roof gone, nothing was holding up the precast
walls, etc.etc.  Basically there's no more building left.

So what kind

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Document Storage

[Brian Webster]

In the Navy we had very large Halon system to combat fires in the main 
engineering spaces. If you worked in that space you actually wore a person 
sized breathing device that would last you long enough to get out of that space 
if Halon was activated. And you can bet we had a lot of training about it, the 
alarms, the time you had to get out after the alarm sounded before it was 
deployed etc.

 

In conjunction with the idea of losing documents, we should as a society get 
better at scanning these things. It is so much easier to have multiple diverse 
digital copies of these than the physical paper. Hell the banking industry got 
out of the paper check stuff 20 years ago. Have you looked at old documents 
scanned from original from places like Ancestry.com or Family.searc.org? They 
have links to a lot of governmental document sources, for instance I could see 
scans of the military muster reports for family members in the revolutionary 
war or from the state records of pension payments to civil war veterans. Mind 
boggling that we can now see scans of those original documents.

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Wednesday, February 9, 2022 1:36 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Cc: Chuck McCown
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Document Storage

 

I visited one of those once.  Before going in we had to have a training session 
about the alarms and the controls.  Not sure if we were supposed to do 
something other than leave if the alarm went off.  Maybe there was a delay to 
allow us to exit before releasing the gas.  It was a serious deal.  

 

From: Bill Prince 

Sent: Wednesday, February 9, 2022 11:11 AM

To: af@af.afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Document Storage

 

In my former years, data centers often had halon systems which would displace 
air in the entire data center. They were phased out because no air is just as 
bad for humans as it is for fires.

 

bp


On 2/9/2022 10:03 AM, Zach Underwood wrote:

Automate the whole racking system so that you can purge oxygen out of the whole 
room?

 

On Wed, Feb 9, 2022 at 12:42 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

Wow, I am sure there are lots of irreplaceable documents.  So if you were to 
build one, I wonder how to prevent this same problem?
I guess structural engineering needs to presume all the racks are full of 
water.

-Original Message- 
From: Nate Burke
Sent: Wednesday, February 9, 2022 10:36 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Document Storage

Here in the Chicago suburbs, a 250k sqft document storage warehouse just
burned down.  It took them a week to put out the fire.  30' Racks
stacked with banker boxes, when the building sprinklers hit it, the
paper got waterlogged and got too heavy for the racks to support and
came down, taking roof supports and building sprinkler system down with
them.  Once the roof was opened up, the fire got lots of air, and just
started raging.  With the roof gone, nothing was holding up the precast
walls, etc.etc.  Basically there's no more building left.

So what kind of paper documents are stored in warehouses like this? Bank
Documents?  Law office contracts?  The Panama Papers?  I'm just curious
what the market is for industrial scale paper storage like this.  I see
a lot of storage places like this around the suburbs. Iron Mountain has
a couple big facilities.  I'm guessing you are responsible for your own
redundant copies at multiple storage warehouses?  Also seems like if
there are just boxes of papers stacked on a shelf, there's really no
security.

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Re: [AFMUG] GIS

[Brian Webster]

You can try Manifold viewer for free (https://manifold.net/viewer.shtml) .
It's the same full featured program as the paid version, you just can't save
or export any files. It is specifically coded to run as a multi-processor
multi GPU (NVIDIA Only) video core product, so the speed is noticeable. It
is very easy to do what you are describing. IT's pretty easy to also use
multiple aerial image sources from the internet such that you find the best
aerial images that suit your needs to be drawing or tracing over. The same
is true about the map background tiles, there are hundreds if not thousands
you can use from the likes of Open Street Maps, to Google, to Mapbox and
others.

To get started you should watch this 23 minute video that goes through the
basics of the program: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJ_i6XR2of4

Here are all the videos on their YouTube channel.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCy4F7Bgf5tyHQK4PoIamF-w/videos


Thank you,
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-Original Message-
From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chris Fabien
Sent: Tuesday, February 8, 2022 9:22 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] GIS

Cameron, I'm curious how you feel manifold compares to mapinfo. I use
mapinfo to do our fiber plans, mainly just drawing lines/points/text
on aerial photo and parcel data layers and exporting to PDF via layout
one sheet at a time. It's slow and cumbersome, but it's paid for and I
know it. Would Manifold give me the same abilities and be
faster/easier? Thanks for your input!

On Mon, Feb 7, 2022 at 8:36 PM Cameron Crum  wrote:
>
> I second Brian's recommendations on QGIS and Manifold. If you want really
powerful GIS functions, Manifold is the best system, hands down. I would
never use Arc or MapInfo again after using manifold and I used to be a
MapInfo trainer. Both QGIS and Manifold can link to external SQL DBs so you
could probably build layers of customer point data with pop-up labels that
contain customer info or create thematic maps based on certain values, etc,
if you are looking for quick visuals.
>
> On Mon, Feb 7, 2022 at 6:31 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:
>>
>> i use qgis and love it, its dolt friendly and will even render. albeit
slowly on my laptop
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 7, 2022 at 5:58 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
wrote:
>>>
>>> Are there samples/examples that will help me not have to learn too much?
Like a map with data that I can splice in my map and data.  I am a lazy man.
>>>
>>> From: Forrest Christian (List Account)
>>> Sent: Monday, February 7, 2022 4:54 PM
>>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> Cc: Chuck McCown
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] GIS
>>>
>>> I use qgis (open source).  A bit of a learning curve but it's amazingly
functional.
>>>
>>> There is also manifold which is dirt cheap as far as GIS is concerned.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 7, 2022, 4:44 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Anyone here use GIS?  Thinking of a blend of a map and customer info.
Too cheap for ESRI.  Are there alternates?
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Re: [AFMUG] GIS

[Brian Webster]

Depending on what you are doing I can likely get you set up on your base data 
set with whatever you need for your project to get started and then you can 
take it from there.

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

214 Eggleston Hill Rd.

Cooperstown, NY 13326

(607) 643-4055 Office

(607) 435-3988 Mobile

www.wirelessmapping.com

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Monday, February 7, 2022 6:57 PM
To: Forrest Christian (List Account); AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Cc: Chuck McCown
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] GIS

 

Are there samples/examples that will help me not have to learn too much?  Like 
a map with data that I can splice in my map and data.  I am a lazy man.  

 

From: Forrest Christian (List Account) 

Sent: Monday, February 7, 2022 4:54 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Cc: Chuck McCown 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] GIS

 

I use qgis (open source).  A bit of a learning curve but it's amazingly 
functional.  

 

There is also manifold which is dirt cheap as far as GIS is concerned.

 

On Mon, Feb 7, 2022, 4:44 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

Anyone here use GIS?  Thinking of a blend of a map and customer info.  Too 
cheap for ESRI.  Are there alternates?

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Re: [AFMUG] GIS

[Brian Webster]

Yes QGIS is a great program and since it is open source the amount of 
information you find is great on the internet and YouTube. The power is in the 
plug ins though. You will spend a lot of time going through all of them to get 
things you find useful. Manifold is really powerful when you have the NVIDIA 
graphics cards because it uses each CPE in addition to the cores on CPU. I use 
them both and Manifold screams as far as computing power especially with large 
databases. They have a YouTube channel to help get you up to speed with one 
video of  little over 40 minutes and then a lot of 10 minute lessons. If you do 
buy that program, get the version that has both license for version 9 and the 
old 8 version. They changed a lot of things in version 9 and some things are 
still easier to do in version 8. Total for both versions is only $135.

 

QGIS does have some things that work better or different than Manifold so I use 
both on occasion. They will both hook to any ODBC compatible database as well 
as a plethora of other on line sources including ESRI’s public datasets.

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

214 Eggleston Hill Rd.

Cooperstown, NY 13326

(607) 643-4055 Office

(607) 435-3988 Mobile

www.wirelessmapping.com

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Forrest Christian (List 
Account)
Sent: Monday, February 7, 2022 6:55 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] GIS

 

I use qgis (open source).  A bit of a learning curve but it's amazingly 
functional. 

 

There is also manifold which is dirt cheap as far as GIS is concerned.

 

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Anyone here use GIS?  Thinking of a blend of a map and customer info.  Too 
cheap for ESRI.  Are there alternates?

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Re: [AFMUG] 1099/employees

[Brian Webster]

The big thing about 1009 people, they have to be able to schedule and run their 
own work. They cannot be required to show up at times dictated by you. They 
should also have other clients they work for and bill. If you are the only one 
they have been working for it’s not likely to qualify as a 1099 contractor. The 
tax people like to say, if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks 
like a duck, then it’s not a 1099 contractor J

 

I am not a lawyer or tax professional so this is just my hearsay advice. Worth 
as much as you paid for it and not a good defense in an audit….

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, February 7, 2022 12:05 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: [AFMUG] 1099/employees

 

If you have some 1099 guys, can you lease one a shovel, lease one the drill, 
lease one the locator? Technically then nobody is dependent primarily on you 
for the equipment

 

I assume youd run into insurance and taxation as a leasing company, but wouldnt 
that effectively not be a dependent employee?

 

Am I correct in assuming that if audited, there really isnt any way to not make 
these folks be employees?

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Re: [AFMUG] Looking for 100 amp inline breaker, 2awg wire

[Brian Webster]

Or this one but rated for 12 volts

 

https://smile.amazon.com/Circuit-Breaker-Ancable-Waterproof-Trolling/dp/B08NYHQ19G/ref=sr_1_18?crid=1Y4Z0OGLD0PJD
 
<https://smile.amazon.com/Circuit-Breaker-Ancable-Waterproof-Trolling/dp/B08NYHQ19G/ref=sr_1_18?crid=1Y4Z0OGLD0PJD=inline+circuit+breaker+solar=1641923437=in+line+circuit+breaker+solar%2Caps%2C64=8-18>
 
=inline+circuit+breaker+solar=1641923437=in+line+circuit+breaker+solar%2Caps%2C64=8-18

 

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2022 12:46 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for 100 amp inline breaker, 2awg wire

 

Looking for something inline, so I'm avoiding DIN/panel breakers.

I could use a fuse but I'd rather have a breaker =(  
https://www.amazon.com/LEIGESAUDIO-Gauge-Inline-Holder-Audio/dp/B07FSCBZJ9/ref=sr_1_8?crid=2DSPA9KC5HIBV
 
<https://www.amazon.com/LEIGESAUDIO-Gauge-Inline-Holder-Audio/dp/B07FSCBZJ9/ref=sr_1_8?crid=2DSPA9KC5HIBV=100%2Bamp%2Binline%2Bfuse%2B2%2Bgauge=1641923133=automotive=100%2Bamp%2Binline%2Bfuse%2B2%2Bgauge%2Cautomotive%2C51=1-8=1>
 
=100%2Bamp%2Binline%2Bfuse%2B2%2Bgauge=1641923133=automotive=100%2Bamp%2Binline%2Bfuse%2B2%2Bgauge%2Cautomotive%2C51=1-8=1


 

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

 

On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 12:37 PM Jason Wilson  wrote:

I cannot find wire size specs but have you tried these?

 

DC Miniature Circuit Breaker, 2 Pole 500V 100 Amp Isolator for Solar PV System, 
Thermal Magnetic Trip, DIN Rail Mount, Chtaixi DC Disconnect Switch C100 
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09D3X3H5P/ref=cm_sw_r_apan_glt_fabc_3HQD9MS1FV94QFWKSEXC?_encoding=UTF8
 
<https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09D3X3H5P/ref=cm_sw_r_apan_glt_fabc_3HQD9MS1FV94QFWKSEXC?_encoding=UTF8=1>
 =1

 

On Tue, Jan 11, 2022, 09:27 Josh Luthman  wrote:

Does such a thing exist?  All I can find are 100a breakers that won't hold big 
enough wire (wtf?) or a fuse holder which would work but I'd rather have a 
breaker if I can.


 

Josh Luthman
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Direct: 937-552-2343
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Re: [AFMUG] Looking for 100 amp inline breaker, 2awg wire

[Brian Webster]

Will this work? You didn’t specify what voltage. The description on the 300 amp 
version says wire gauge from 0-4.

 

https://smile.amazon.com/Holders-Inverter-Circuit-Breaker-Waterproof/dp/B07VRNPNVG/ref=sr_1_10?crid=1Y4Z0OGLD0PJD
 
<https://smile.amazon.com/Holders-Inverter-Circuit-Breaker-Waterproof/dp/B07VRNPNVG/ref=sr_1_10?crid=1Y4Z0OGLD0PJD=inline%2Bcircuit%2Bbreaker%2Bsolar=1641923437=in%2Bline%2Bcircuit%2Bbreaker%2Bsolar%2Caps%2C64=8-10=1>
 
=inline%2Bcircuit%2Bbreaker%2Bsolar=1641923437=in%2Bline%2Bcircuit%2Bbreaker%2Bsolar%2Caps%2C64=8-10=1

 

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2022 12:46 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for 100 amp inline breaker, 2awg wire

 

Looking for something inline, so I'm avoiding DIN/panel breakers.

I could use a fuse but I'd rather have a breaker =(  
https://www.amazon.com/LEIGESAUDIO-Gauge-Inline-Holder-Audio/dp/B07FSCBZJ9/ref=sr_1_8?crid=2DSPA9KC5HIBV
 
<https://www.amazon.com/LEIGESAUDIO-Gauge-Inline-Holder-Audio/dp/B07FSCBZJ9/ref=sr_1_8?crid=2DSPA9KC5HIBV=100%2Bamp%2Binline%2Bfuse%2B2%2Bgauge=1641923133=automotive=100%2Bamp%2Binline%2Bfuse%2B2%2Bgauge%2Cautomotive%2C51=1-8=1>
 
=100%2Bamp%2Binline%2Bfuse%2B2%2Bgauge=1641923133=automotive=100%2Bamp%2Binline%2Bfuse%2B2%2Bgauge%2Cautomotive%2C51=1-8=1


 

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

 

On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 12:37 PM Jason Wilson  wrote:

I cannot find wire size specs but have you tried these?

 

DC Miniature Circuit Breaker, 2 Pole 500V 100 Amp Isolator for Solar PV System, 
Thermal Magnetic Trip, DIN Rail Mount, Chtaixi DC Disconnect Switch C100 
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09D3X3H5P/ref=cm_sw_r_apan_glt_fabc_3HQD9MS1FV94QFWKSEXC?_encoding=UTF8
 
<https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09D3X3H5P/ref=cm_sw_r_apan_glt_fabc_3HQD9MS1FV94QFWKSEXC?_encoding=UTF8=1>
 =1

 

On Tue, Jan 11, 2022, 09:27 Josh Luthman  wrote:

Does such a thing exist?  All I can find are 100a breakers that won't hold big 
enough wire (wtf?) or a fuse holder which would work but I'd rather have a 
breaker if I can.


 

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

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Re: [AFMUG] Illinois - JULIE membership costs

[Brian Webster]

Yea if you could do locate request via a map file then the ticket process could 
be located automatically and make things more efficient. The only issue with 
that is the utility companies in many cases have not submitted accurate data to 
them to let that process work. Sometimes they have only put data in that says 
things like anything in this town our county. In a way I can understand that so 
that their plant data does not get in to hands that should not have it, but at 
the same time why wouldn’t you want to make it better. Then there is the other 
problem that some companies literally only have it on old paper maps if they 
have any at all. Detroit Edison can only give you pdf scans of paper maps page 
by page. Last I knew they have not actually created any electronic version of 
their outside plant data. Some old dogs refuse to learn new tricks.

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Wednesday, January 5, 2022 2:02 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Cc: Chuck McCown
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Illinois - JULIE membership costs

 

We do 300 in Utah too.  I would prefer it to be less.  I think that is 150 on 
either side.  Actually I would like to be able to give them a surveyed running 
line and have them only send me locates within 30 feet.  I am also pushing for 
them to allow me to draw an area on a map to request a locate rather than 
describing it via text. 

 

From: Steve Jones 

Sent: Wednesday, January 5, 2022 10:50 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Illinois - JULIE membership costs

 

looking at this application, it says recommended buffer not less than 300 feet, 
so 600 feet on center for a line. I wonder if they default it to 300. 

 

On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 10:14 AM Mike Hammett  wrote:

I still have some to learn there. I send them a polygon KMZ as opposed to a 
line KMZ. I've applied a certain amount of buffer around my lines. I think I 
added 300'. JULIE may have added their own buffer around my buffer, I'm not 
sure. They are pretty helpful, though, so it would just take a conversation 
with their data guys as to what you want. 

 

 

I need to reasess if our buffers are appropriate. We use a service called 
Diglet that manages all of the tickets. I need to do some reporting about how 
many tickets we had that were clear, their distance from the line, etc.

 



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From: "Steve Jones" 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Sent: Wednesday, January 5, 2022 9:58:38 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Illinois - JULIE membership costs

JULIE is telling me no annual membership fee, just the nominal notification 
see, a buck something for email and under 3 for a phone call. doesnt seem too 
awful. 

If you provide them a specific CAD file of your underground asset do you define 
how close of a dig you want notified on or how does that work. I dont want this 
customer having to do locates for a dig 50 feet away because thats an 
intersection thats always got some sort of dig going on

 

On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 9:10 AM Mike Hammett  wrote:

I can tell you what it costs to be a JULIE member (it's a cost per activity 
basis).

I have no idea if it's different for a private line.



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 <http://www.ics-il.com/> Intelligent Computing Solutions
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<https://twitter.com/ICSIL> 
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From: "Steve Jones" 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Sent: Tuesday, January 4, 2022 12:35:50 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] Illinois - JULIE membership costs

Is anybody here a JULIE member? 

Im looking to find the costs in general for a specific 

Re: [AFMUG] Illinois - JULIE membership costs

[Brian Webster]

The buffer would be on each side of a line, in mapping tools when you draw a 
300ft buffer it ends up 600 feet across total. Think of it like a radius around 
a point. So a 300ft buffer would be 300ft radius but 600 foot diameter.

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, January 5, 2022 12:50 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Illinois - JULIE membership costs

 

looking at this application, it says recommended buffer not less than 300 feet, 
so 600 feet on center for a line. I wonder if they default it to 300. 

 

On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 10:14 AM Mike Hammett  wrote:

I still have some to learn there. I send them a polygon KMZ as opposed to a 
line KMZ. I've applied a certain amount of buffer around my lines. I think I 
added 300'. JULIE may have added their own buffer around my buffer, I'm not 
sure. They are pretty helpful, though, so it would just take a conversation 
with their data guys as to what you want.

 

 

I need to reasess if our buffers are appropriate. We use a service called 
Diglet that manages all of the tickets. I need to do some reporting about how 
many tickets we had that were clear, their distance from the line, etc.

 



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<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>  
<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>  
<https://twitter.com/ICSIL> 
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<https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>  
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From: "Steve Jones" 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Sent: Wednesday, January 5, 2022 9:58:38 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Illinois - JULIE membership costs

JULIE is telling me no annual membership fee, just the nominal notification 
see, a buck something for email and under 3 for a phone call. doesnt seem too 
awful.

If you provide them a specific CAD file of your underground asset do you define 
how close of a dig you want notified on or how does that work. I dont want this 
customer having to do locates for a dig 50 feet away because thats an 
intersection thats always got some sort of dig going on

 

On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 9:10 AM Mike Hammett  wrote:

I can tell you what it costs to be a JULIE member (it's a cost per activity 
basis).

I have no idea if it's different for a private line.



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<https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>  
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From: "Steve Jones" 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Sent: Tuesday, January 4, 2022 12:35:50 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] Illinois - JULIE membership costs

Is anybody here a JULIE member?

Im looking to find the costs in general for a specific private line to be in 
the notification database


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Re: [AFMUG] OT fun

[Brian Webster]

You know you wonder if time travel doesn’t exist when you thing about people 
such as Tesla, Gene Roddenberry, and other science fiction writers and some of 
their ideas. With time travel they might have seen it in reality then had to 
come back and write about them as some sort of crazy silly idea that is not 
possible, mostly because we mortals would not believe it possible so it has to 
be presented in some way where we would at least pay attention to it. Every 
time something that was once thought of as science fiction comes to fruition it 
makes me wonder. 

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2021 8:08 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Cc: Chuck McCown
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT fun

 

https://youtu.be/qu9gva2LZBw

Sent from my iPhone





On Dec 29, 2021, at 4:54 PM, Jan-GAMs  wrote:

 

keep me apprised

On 12/29/21 15:02, Bill Prince wrote:

I need a spacetime modification weapon to deal with one of my neighbors.

 

bp


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https://www.sandboxx.us/blog/navy-team-floats-idea-for-a-spacetime-modification-weapon-more-powerful-than-nukes/

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Musco Towers

[Brian Webster]

Concrete base should always be engineered after you have s soil boring and
report done for you specific location. I built a lot of towers and the
concrete costs are always high when some says "we assumed normal soils
report", meaning they used generalized soils composition maps and over
engineered the base design to cover their ass. The cost to have a local
engineering company do a boring and soils report test usually saves you
money in how much you don't spend in an overbuilt concrete base. An
additional benefit to this report is you usually get a conductivity report
as well. This will tell you what you will need for proper grounding of the
site.

Thank you,
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From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2021 12:15 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] Musco Towers

https://www.musco.com/wireless-structures/

Anybody used these or know about pricing?  We seem to have a growing 
need for 60-100' towers, but the concrete cost is always the killer.  
Seems like this would need a smaller concrete base, and doesn't need all 
the forming and curing time.  Years ago we did a project for a 
municipality, and they put in a 50' light pole for us to attach a single 
SM to, but they just backfilled the precast base with aggregate and did 
start to finish in a couple hours.  It was just a normal streetlight 
pole though, no pegs or anything.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Merging Data

[Brian Webster]

Chuck if you don’t get that task done send the files to me and I can probably 
link them up and merge the file. My GIS software lets me work with csv files 
and tables and do some cool stuff with matching and such.

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Haninger
Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2021 2:32 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Merging Data

 

If the common thing between them is something like an email address or account 
number, I wonder if the venerable vlookup or the new xlookup will work?

 

Then I agree with making a new file or sheet and put that common value in one 
column and remove duplicates.

 

Then use columns B,C,D,E,F, etc to lookup your other data.

 

Be careful about the dollar signs in your cell references. A1 and $A$1 refer to 
the same cell, but behave differently when you copy and paste. The dollar signs 
tell Excel to lock that reference in place. Without it, Excel will adjust the 
reference when you copy and paste it around. I don't think I'm explaining this 
very well.

 

For sure someone else has done this before. I'd be surprised if Excel couldn't 
handle it.

 

Andy

 

On Sat, Dec 18, 2021, 12:03 Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

 

I have at least three files I need to merge.  Spreadsheets.

 

Say one has names and addresses

One has addresses and phone numbers

One has phone numbers and email addresses

 

They are not the same length of file so certain records are missing in all 
three files.

There is something common to allow one file to be merged into at least one of 
the other files.  

 

I really don’t want to write code to parse and search.  

I am hopeful there is some kind of feature in excel that could do this.

Or I guess I might be able to fire up a database and make it happen.  

 

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Re: [AFMUG] 477 reporting

[Brian Webster]

You can ping me and I can help. This next filing requires operators to use
the census 2020 geography files now. For your small system I can make up
some files for that general area and you can pick and choose them if you
would like as things change/grow

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2021 1:31 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Cc: Chuck McCown
Subject: [AFMUG] 477 reporting

 

I have not yet filed a 477 on my new fiber startup.  But we only have about
40 customers.  

What is a good way to start?

 

 

 

Best Regards,
Chuck McCown

McCown Technology Corporation 
8401 N Commerce Dr
Lake Point, Utah 84074
801-250-9503 Office
435-830-4306 Cell
www.mccowntech.com
www.microtrench-blades.com

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Re: [AFMUG] C band 5G vs Radar Altimeters

[Brian Webster]

So in watching this video the title is totally misleading. They said C-band/5G 
in the title. Most of us are going to read that as 5 GHz and the new 6 GHz 
mostly because that’s what we are more used to. 5G in the cellular sense can be 
just about any band as long as is “Fast Speeds”. A good 4G LTE base station now 
can deliver 85 meg or more to a phone without it being 5G in their terms (or it 
is 5GE for enhanced according to AT phones and marketing). So that being 
said, this problem is in the band just above the current 3.5/3.65 GHz band. The 
FCC is expanding that band up to the 3.9 GHz portion if I remember correctly. 
This in most WISP minds is the CBRS band. 

 

The good thing about the problem being in this band, base stations have to log 
in to the SASS system to be able to operate. 

 

I see a simple solution to this problem, just map out the flight paths where 
the concern areas are for the airborne RADAR units. This would include any ILS 
corridors from likely 10 nautical miles out from the runway endpoints and I am 
not sure how they set up approach paths for a helipad. I do know from my days 
of filing for tower height clearances, that every one of these flight paths 
there is concerned with are already mapping out by the FAA. Point being these 
are all known areas of high risk. The SAS is a geography aware database system. 
All they need to do is set the database up to not permit any transmitter on the 
concerned frequencies to operate in these approach path areas. They can use 
that study data referenced in the video to create a good buffer for these areas 
based on free space loss as an added measure of safety. I suppose that one 
could also restrict the transmit power in these exclusion areas to a much lower 
level so as not to cause flight radar units interference and permit some level 
of operations.

 

These exclusion rules built in to the SAS would be applicable to both GAA and 
PAL licensed users. I am pretty sure the SAS has this methodology already in 
place for the costal/port areas and real time on air sensing station set up to 
force base stations to turn off or move from frequencies the Navy might be 
using in ports when they are present.  This band was designed to be using it as 
shared spectrum with on air sensing, extending those capabilities to protect 
the aviation system is a trivial task. If the FAA/air industry types knew this 
it would seem like a simple and logical problem to solve. But alas that would 
make it so chicken little can say the sky is falling which seems like the only 
way we communicate in this world anymore.

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2021 1:14 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] C band 5G vs Radar Altimeters

 

Well I believe Fort Bliss and other radar users around here are getting revenge 
on the 5Ghz DFS users...several wisps are complaining!!! 

Oh well

 

On Sun, Dec 12, 2021, 8:52 AM Tim Hardy  wrote:

Deja Vu all over again. Very similar to the OBE / adjacent channel concerns 
voiced in the 6 GHz unlicensed proceeding. The FCC’s total lack of 
understanding of receiver filtering in even current devices is astounding and 
its fairly clear that money / politics beats physics everyday.





On Dec 11, 2021, at 3:59 PM, Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

 

I understand the issue now:

https://youtu.be/942KXXmMJdY

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Ot: Grounded blankets

[Brian Webster]

What about the static your naked requirement will generate from other
members of the household?. Empty nesters that should work fine but,
otherwise I would anticipate a lot of static.

Thank you,
Brian Webster


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From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Thursday, December 9, 2021 12:33 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Cc: Chuck McCown
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ot: Grounded blankets

Copper mesh couch cover and everyone is naked.  That will work.

-Original Message- 
From: dmmoff...@gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, December 9, 2021 8:45 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ot: Grounded blankets

Bond the couch to master ground bus bar with #6 copper wire.  Use dual hole 
lugs, sand the mating surfaces and apply no-ox.
Use same wire gauge to bond wife with couch.  Location of wife's ground lugs

varies by model, but check bottom of feet.

-Adam


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2021 6:23 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ot: Grounded blankets

Spray the couch with metallic paint.


bp


On 12/8/2021 3:12 PM, Nate Burke wrote:
> So we're back to the time of year when the wife gets zapped when she
> gets off the couch and the turns off a light, and complaining ensues.
> I've tried to get her to wear a grounded wrist strap, which works, but
> she complains about having to take it on and off.  Can I just get a
> grounded blanket or something to just ground the couch?
>

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Re: [AFMUG] SCADA porn

[Brian Webster]

Nice work as always Jamie. I have always thought there should be more use of 
good simple SCADA systems and not over complicate things with the perceived 
need for high speed broadband connections to the locations all of the time. Too 
many people just don’t understand how a good SCADA system works.

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 9:22 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: [AFMUG] SCADA porn

 

We have six more to go before end of December...

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Re: [AFMUG] OT I covet

[Brian Webster]

Now that term I have known since my young days of working on dirt bikes and 
having that happen J Also referred to as a B*tch clip because of how much of a 
b*tch they are to get on or off without them flying across the shop to forever 
be lost and you don’t have an extra…..

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 10:38 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT I covet

 

 

Similar name, but different meaning for the jesus clip 
<https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Jesus%20clip> . So named 
because when you pop one off, they tend to go flying and you exclaim "Jesus, 
where did that go?"

 

bp


On 12/7/2021 7:09 AM, Brian Webster wrote:

You see now that there is a great combination of random knowledge and quick 
with in how to use said knowledge. Nice job Steve!

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 9:59 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT I covet

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_nut

 

They wouldnt put a jesus nut on a helicopter knowing youre supposed to get 
closer to jesus if they didnt want you to covet the helicopter, as the jesus 
nut is what keep it afloat, as should jesus in your life.

 

On Tue, Dec 7, 2021 at 8:40 AM  wrote:

That's totally fine.  "Covet thy neighbor's helicopter" is not addressed in
Exodus.  Take the loophole.


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Monday, December 06, 2021 8:06 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT I covet


The helicopters they use on Succession.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT I covet

[Brian Webster]

You see now that there is a great combination of random knowledge and quick 
with in how to use said knowledge. Nice job Steve!

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 9:59 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT I covet

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_nut

 

They wouldnt put a jesus nut on a helicopter knowing youre supposed to get 
closer to jesus if they didnt want you to covet the helicopter, as the jesus 
nut is what keep it afloat, as should jesus in your life.

 

On Tue, Dec 7, 2021 at 8:40 AM  wrote:

That's totally fine.  "Covet thy neighbor's helicopter" is not addressed in
Exodus.  Take the loophole.


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Monday, December 06, 2021 8:06 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT I covet


The helicopters they use on Succession.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Another engineer in our family

[Brian Webster]

Congratulations!

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Saturday, December 4, 2021 5:30 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Another engineer in our family

 

My brother Victor's youngest daughter,  Isabella, graduated as a mechanical 
engineer...minored in Mathematics!!  He is an EE and ME who works for 
Raytheon...that's four engineers in our nuclear family and 34th among my 
cousins...27 of them, female!!

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Re: [AFMUG] radio mobile help

[Brian Webster]

You want to be downloading the 1/3 arc second data not the 3 arc second. 3
is not very accurate data but in some regions of the world it's the only
thing available. Here is the US the 1/3 is good stuff with terrain
resolution of 10 meters. 3 arc second is a resolution of 3 kilometers if I
recall, real course stuff and not what you need. You will also need to do a
similar setting for the land cover (tree clutter) data. That is 30 meter
resolution.

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller
Sent: Saturday, December 4, 2021 10:46 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] radio mobile help

 

been dabbling a bit in radio mobile, working outside of our normal coverage
area, and am missing HGT files for the area i'm working with for SRTM
elevation data. Several of the drop downs in radio mobile for which site to
download data from seem to be old (or maybe i'm not sure what i'm doing).
Anyone care to share their current data source?

 

 



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Re: [AFMUG] OT Alec Baldwin

[Brian Webster]

Alec Baldwin being both the actor who held the gun AND the film producer has 
double the responsibility in this case. If he shirked those responsibilities 
that is no accident in my book. Not intentional necessarily but certainly an 
unavoidable accident. 

 

Didn’t I hear (and from the media mind you so that subject to falsities and 
misinterpretation) that part of the issue about the walk off was due to other 
gun incidents earlier in the production filming? As the producer Baldwin would 
be very responsible for those processes, procedures and adherence to the rules 
for filming. That alone would be negligence. There is likely a lot to this 
story we don’t know in the school of public opinion and knowledge and I am sure 
everyone was told to lawyer up and shut-up right after it happened.

 

Tragic result no doubt, a horrible tragic result. Rules and regulations are no 
good if people don’t follow them or if they feel entitled and they don’t apply 
to them. Elitisms suck and there seems to be a lot of that in the world these 
days. The element of human greed or the feeling that someone is getting more 
because of avoidance of rules and such is part of the human experience. 
Communism certainly proved that.

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jan-GAMs
Sent: Thursday, December 2, 2021 3:28 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Alec Baldwin

 

I agree, 3 people totally fucked-up, but I suspect there is a 4th person who 
put the live ammo in the gun.  Just because 3 f'ed-up, doesn't make them less 
responsible, I think these people should get neglicent homicide charges and the 
4th person if found should get a homicide and attempted homicide charge.  All 
of them should get time in jail.

On 12/2/21 11:44, Steve Jones wrote:

thats what the armorers attorney is saying. 

That doesnt change any of the culpabilities though, it just adds another person 
to the list. IF the bullets were changed while the firearms were on the cart, 
thats still the armorers responsibility. Now baldwin as a producer who was 
cutting corners had the armorer in another roll that pulled her away from the 
weapon, but that still falls on her, shes responsible for the firearms.

The other two still lose zero responsibility based on who put the bullet in 
there, its irrelevant to their negligence

 

On Thu, Dec 2, 2021 at 1:35 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:

Yes. I could give Baldwin a pass for not checking it himself, and delegating 
that responsibility to someone else since he's just a dumb actor, but that 
doesn't make him any less responsible. If he was too lazy or incompetent to 
check it himself, it's still his responsibility to make sure someone who was 
competent checked it for him.

 

I also have to wonder if there's any chance somebody put live ammo in there 
intentionally... that would change things a bit.

 

On Thu, Dec 2, 2021 at 1:18 PM Jan-GAMs  wrote:

Movie sets for years have had fairly extensive rules on firearms, ammo 
and the handling thereof.  What needs to happen with Rust is to find out 
how and why the rules were circumvented and find a way to make sure this 
never happens again.  If that includes jail for life for Alec Baldwin, 
so be it.  This shooting was no accident, it was a failure of 3 
individuals in a row to do their jobs and created a serious incident and 
loss of life.  There never should have been real ammo on the set, the 
person handing the weapon to Baldwin should have verified what was in 
the weapon and Baldwin should have checked.  None of that obviously took 
place.  Someone put real ammo in that gun, anyone who knows how to put a 
bullet into a revolver would have to know the bullets were not fake, 
this could be a 4th person since it is obvious the other 3 involved did 
not do their job.

On 12/2/21 10:27, Jay Weekley wrote:
> Just watch any action movie such as John Wicke, Saving Private Ryan, 
> Heat etc. There have been three deaths that I know of in all movies 
> and TV series combined that I know of.   Massive reform is not required.
>
> Mathew Howard wrote:
>> Personally, I think all these calls for changes to how the film 
>> industry handles weapons safety, banning guns from sets, etc. are 
>> more than likely completely unnecessary. It appears to me that they 
>> already have pretty strict safety procedures, which seem to have 
>> worked pretty well for the last century or so. If the reports that 
>> the safety procedures were repeatedly violated on that set are true 
>> (to the point people were walking off the set because they thought it 
>> was unsafe), that's the problem. The people that ignored the rules 
>> and procedures need to be held accountable, one way or another. 
>> Throwing a few people in prison is going to be pretty effective at 
>> making sure the rules are followed in the future. Monetary loss, 
>> which probably won'

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Soundproof Headphones

[Brian Webster]

I agree with this approach or even just some simple wired earbuds used inside 
of any good earmuff style hearing protection should work well. You can crank up 
in audio on the earbuds as well. I do something like this when mowing the lawn. 
Have used both wired and wireless earbuds and the earmuffs that I used with the 
chainsaw and other loud things.

Thank you,
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com


-Original Message-
From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Trey Scarborough
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2021 1:19 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Soundproof Headphones

use a good pair of in ear monitors and then get a good ear-pro headset.

On 11/22/2021 11:44 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
> I'm trying to do a sound mix for an external feed while I'm live at a 
> venue.  Getting the exterior mix right is tough since there's so much 
> bleed from the room sound.  Eg, drums and Bass sound so loud in the 
> house without my amplification, so I always am mixing them low in the 
> external mix.  I don't think 'noise canceling' is the answer, since it 
> would be trying to cancel out the same sound that I'm actively trying 
> to listen to.  Are there good 'soundproof' monitor headphones?  Maybe 
> like you would use to mow the grass, would they be better?  I have a 
> pair of full over the ear headphones now, but a lot of exterior sound 
> still comes through them.
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Re: [AFMUG] Fax Machines

[Brian Webster]

I think there is something about the law and a document being a legal signature 
being an original or a fax. Laws haven’t caught up to digital signatures or 
pictures of an original document.

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Friday, November 19, 2021 12:38 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fax Machines

 

One of my Physical therapy customers, all their patient documentation is via 
fax.  The therapist hand writes out the report for the patient, then it's faxed 
to corporate where it's automagically sucked into the customers digital file.  
So they send 100 faxes/day.  You would think that it should all be just entered 
right into the customers digital file.  

On 11/19/2021 11:33 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

For some, it's because they're old.

For others, it's because their industry is a dumpster fire (insurance, medical, 
etc.).



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From: "Jay Weekley"  <mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net> 

To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> 

Sent: Friday, November 19, 2021 11:24:48 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fax Machines

Why do people fax anything in 2021?

Mike Hammett wrote:
> I'm having fax problems as well. We're going to get reseller 
> relationships with the incumbents so we can get a POTS line installed 
> and just not freaking deal with it anymore.
>
>
>
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> <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
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> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> 
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> 
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP  <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> 
> <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
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> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
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> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> 
> *From: *"Nate Burke"  <mailto:n...@blastcomm.com> 
> *To: *"Animal Farm"  <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> 
> *Sent: *Friday, November 19, 2021 10:50:01 AM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Fax Machines
>
> I'm having trouble with one of my customers who insists on having a real
> fax machine.  I'm not convinced that it's not the Fax machine talking to
> the ATA, so I was going to take another fax machine to their location to
> test.  From the Packet captures, it looks like the Fax machine does not
> successfully negotiate the baud rate.  I have several customers doing
> faxing with ATA's and fax machines, the only difference with this
> customer is that their ATA is off my network behind a Comcast connection.
>
> My desktop laser multifunction is a fax machine, but it also weighs
> about 80lb so I don't really want to lug it over.  I figured I could
> pickup a cheap inkjet printer for <$50 and it would fax, but it looks
> like fax capability is now relegated to the $200+ machines. Which I
> guess makes sense since nobody 'should' be faxing anymore.
>
> Are there still cheap fax machines out there that I'm missing.
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Re: [AFMUG] VoIP SMS campaign fees

[Brian Webster]

In those cases I would just get a Google Voice number and text from that.

 

Another option to consider is just use the email address that each phone gets 
such as 315xxx1...@vtext.com for a Verizon customer. Each carrier has these 
abilities. Then it’s just an email from you rather than a text. The recipient 
still get the message as a text however. I have worked with some volunteer 
groups that use this method to send automatic texts and subscribes the cell 
phones to something like a Goggle Group or other mailing list. Works well.

 

https://avtech.com/articles/138/list-of-email-to-sms-addresses/

 

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2021 8:43 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VoIP SMS campaign fees

 

But again, what if I am not using it for marketing.  We were planning on 
putting a text notification system in our helpdesk, that would inform customers 
what updates occurred with their ticket.  That is not marketing?  How does this 
fit in?

 

 

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https://cloud.linktechs.net 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2021 7:27 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VoIP SMS campaign fees

 

That's just an extension of your personal phone number. It's not (supposed to 
be) used for marketing campaigns.



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From: "Robert Andrews" 
To: af@af.afmug.com
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 3:34:36 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VoIP SMS campaign fees

I wonder if we will lose messages.android.com

On 11/15/21 12:41 PM, Nate Burke wrote:
> How do you send an SMS from a computer to a phone?  Doesn't there have 
> to be an intermediary system in there somewhere, Be it Email or an API?  
> Maybe DOD number would be the more correct term, the number that is 
> sourced on the SMS message when it enters the mobile carrier network.
> 
> On 11/15/2021 2:36 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>> I really don’t get why DIDs are called out.  You can send SMS from any 
>> computer to any phone.  Does DID not mean “Direct Inward Dial” in this 
>> context?
>> *From:* Cameron Crum
>> *Sent:* Monday, November 15, 2021 1:30 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] VoIP SMS campaign fees
>> Yes this is a new requirement by the carriers. It is their way of 
>> keeping spam down. Everyone who uses sms is going to have to do this. 
>> Full implementation has been pushed out many times, but it looks like 
>> they are finally going to start forcing it.
>> On Mon, Nov 15, 2021 at 2:24 PM Nate Burke  wrote:
>>
>> I think so?  This is from the TOS you have to accept before any
>> payment is made at campaignregistry.com
>> <http://campaignregistry.com>. I think you can register 49 DID's
>> per Campaign.
>>
>> But I'm guessing that each business would have to be a separate
>> campaign.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 11/15/2021 2:15 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>>> So just DIDs and not just regular lines?
>>>
>>> -Original Message- From: Nate Burke Sent: Monday,
>>> November 15, 2021 1:08 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] VoIP
>>> SMS campaign fees
>>> I saw a notice from Voip Innovations that any business DID's that
>>> send SMS messages to a consumer in any way now have to be
>>> registered with 'Campaignregistry.com'  Looks like this requires
>>> a $200 signup,

Re: [AFMUG] OT AI will answer all your questions

[Brian Webster]

Damn Steve, coffee all over the keyboard again. Figured since it was mid-day 
that’s it’s safe to read your comments while taking a drink….nope, that was 
funny though J

 

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From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2021 11:29 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT AI will answer all your questions

 

Apparently it's ok to lick butt, but disgusting to tongue punch her fart box. 
Who knew

 

On Fri, Oct 29, 2021, 10:11 AM Mathew Howard  wrote:

Stabbing a cheeseburger is wrong, but stabbing a cheeseburger with a fork is 
okay and stabbing it with a knife is weird.

 

On Thu, Oct 28, 2021 at 4:15 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

https://delphi.allenai.org/?a1=cleaning+a+toilet+bowl+with+my+dog%27s+blanket

 

BTW, it is OK to clean out a toilet with your wife’s towel but not your dog’s 
blanket.  

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Re: [AFMUG] Good system for remote access to tower site when no Internet

[Brian Webster]

Them implement a free program like Zello which is basically a push to talk 
system over whatever data network you connect to. You can put a free app on the 
phone or go so far as to buy dedicated radios.

 

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From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of dmmoff...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2021 2:25 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Good system for remote access to tower site when no 
Internet

 

I’m going to 2nd the motion from whoever said put a WiFi AP there.

….assuming these are your wireless internet sites that’s a lot simpler than 
anything else.

 

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2021 8:49 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Good system for remote access to tower site when no 
Internet

 

Have you checked in with any 2 way radio company?  Similar to what the first 
responders use.


I want to say the company out of Dayton wanted something like $80/mo for our 
own channel and two radios?


 

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

 

On Sat, Sep 25, 2021 at 11:13 AM Paul McCall  wrote:

Hey guys!

 

We have some towers that are waaay out in the boonies and often little or no 
cell service.  While working on the towers, sometimes the guys can’t 
communicate with the office.

 

Exploring options for using 2-way somehow.  Maybe install repeaters on 
strategic towers geographically to get to a tower that can convert to VOIP?

 

Of some other intelligent, cost effective solution.

 

Paul

 

Paul McCall, President 

Florida Broadband / PDMNet

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800

 

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Re: [AFMUG] ***SPAM*** interesting...we installed several laser links in the 1990s...

[Brian Webster]

I would think now it would be easier to mount the laser in a gyro stabilized 
gimbal to account for the movement. In the 90’s that technology was not 
affordable. Image stabilizing cameras exist, gyro stabilized RC helicopters and 
drones are commonplace. 

 

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From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2021 8:16 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Cc: Chuck McCown
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ***SPAM*** interesting...we installed several laser links 
in the 1990s...

 

I did too.  Mexico City.  E1 data rate.  High rise buildings.  Building 
movement was a problem.

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Re: [AFMUG] First 60Ghz LR alignment job ever

[Brian Webster]

You may actually want to lower the unit. The higher you go the more even number 
Fresnel zones you expose which are out of phase for the odd numbered ones. This 
will actually lower signal. Higher is not always better. Best practice is to 
try to achieve between .6 and 1 Fresnel zone clearance. Going higher exposes 
the second zone and starts you losing signal strength.

 

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From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2021 5:11 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] First 60Ghz LR alignment job ever

 

Will let you know...

 

On Wed, Sep 15, 2021, 3:01 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

9’ fresnel zone at the mid point of a 4 mile path.  I will be surprised if this 
helps.  

 

From: Jaime Solorza 

Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2021 2:54 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] First 60Ghz LR alignment job ever

 

They raised tower and tighten guyed wires...they are going to move It higher.

 

On Wed, Sep 15, 2021, 11:55 AM Mathew Howard  wrote:

I doubt they'd even connect if you weren't clearing the tree line (the fresnel 
zone is tiny at 60ghz, so that's not usually an issue, as long as you have 
visual LOS). I don't think I've ever been able to hit the expected signal on a 
3+ mile link with those radios, so I wouldn't be surprised if you don't get 
much more than that out of it.

 

On Tue, Sep 14, 2021 at 7:04 PM Jaime Solorza  wrote:

Little over 4 miles but i think they are not high enough to completely over 
tree line.

 

On Tue, Sep 14, 2021, 5:53 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

How long is the path?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 14, 2021, at 5:46 PM, Jaime Solorza  wrote:
> 
> 
> We got it to -54dBm of expected -46dBm and was passing 380 -406Mbps...the 
> other side of link is one with problems...every time Moye shifted weight on 
> tower , signal would degrade...i think they said guyed wires need 
> adjustmentsmore to come..
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: House Vibrations

[Brian Webster]

Do you live near railroad tracks? I lived in a small city in multiple places 
and all those buildings shook every so slightly when the large freight trains 
went through the city. Hard to notice unless you were looking for it.

 

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From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Cameron Crum
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2021 10:12 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: House Vibrations

 

We need video evidence. Inquiring minds want to know.

 

On Fri, Sep 10, 2021 at 6:47 AM Nate Burke  wrote:

Still doing it this morning.  Not quite as bad as last night, but you can still 
feel it on the window glass.  I'm going to try to find a laser pointer to 
reflect off the glass to record the movement.  

On 9/9/2021 10:40 PM, Bill Prince wrote:

It's those nerds over at Fermilab. They're doing some new weird physics.  

 

We (outside of Illinois) will read about it in the paper RSN.

 

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On Thu, Sep 9, 2021 at 8:18 PM Nate Burke  wrote:

IT'S DOING IT AGAIN TONIGHT!   If I put my hand on the glass of any of the 
windows in the house, I can feel them vibrating.  I Would say it's at about 20 
or 30hz.  If I hold the side of the TV that's wall mounted, I can feel it there 
too.  Definitely was not there during the day.  64 degrees outside, clear skies 
and 0 wind.  

On 9/9/2021 3:50 PM, Robert wrote:

This same thought came up in another group I participate in.   Basically how 
much more can we screw this planet up...  It explains the alien sightings...


Oh and google had the answer for the 3 solar mass black hole as 13.5 Klicks...  
 Not so small, actually...   An Asteroid much less a BH of that size is going 
to make a pretty bad day for everyone and everything on the planet...

On 9/9/21 1:07 PM, Nate Burke wrote:

"All the planning charts and demolition orders have been on display at your 
local planning department in Alpha Centauri for 50 of your Earth years, so 
you've had plenty of time to lodge any formal complaint and it's far too late 
to start making a fuss about it now"

On 9/9/2021 2:37 PM, Robert wrote:

F.   they just created a micro black hole.   That's why the aliens are 
gathering.   Nothing like a planet imploding for inter-stellar headlines...

On 9/9/21 11:24 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

https://www.bbc.com/news/56643677

 

On Thu, Sep 9, 2021 at 12:04 PM Nate Burke  wrote:

We are are literally next to Fermilab, as in, across the street, so it was 
probably some new mind control experiment they were doing.  

On 9/9/2021 11:46 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

I am not saying it's Aliens but it's Aliens

 

On Thu, Sep 9, 2021, 10:45 AM Nate Burke  wrote:

We're about 40 miles west of Downtown Chicago.  So not a seismic active zone.  
Nothing was reported in local media that I've seen.  

On 9/9/2021 11:37 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

What part of the country? Mexico had some earthquake activity recently..

 

On Thu, Sep 9, 2021, 10:26 AM Nate Burke  wrote:

My SO woke up last night around 4am because the house was Vibrating.  No 
Joke, Windows were rattling, putting your hand on the 2nd floor wall you 
could feel it.  Light blubs in a ceiling fan were rattling, and the wall 
mounted TV you could see shaking.  There were no storms and no wind last 
night.  In certain parts of the house it seemed like you could feel a 
very low hum.  Think of the scene from 'Raiders' when they open the ark 
on the island, a sound like that. Standing outside you didn't hear 
anything.  I thought maybe a freight train (1 mile to the tracks), but 
it went on for over 30 min.  There is a quarry about 4 miles away that 
does have underground tunnels.  Maybe they were doing some drilling that 
was coming through the ground?  I turned off the furnace blower, and no 
other mechanical was operating in the house, so I don't think that it 
was locally generated.

It was just spooky.  Everything is normal this morning.  I feel like 
I've 'felt' the sound before, but never to the extent that it was last 
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Re: [AFMUG] Replacing Tough switches

[Brian Webster]

I have some 900 MHz radios in my basement that pre-date MDS being bought by GE, 
back when it was a NY company out of Rochester.

 

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www.wirelessmapping.com

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Wednesday, August 4, 2021 12:13 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Replacing Tough switches

 

These

 

On Wed, Aug 4, 2021, 9:59 AM Jaime Solorza  wrote:

Not the 900MHz series they use around here...these are low data rate Ethernet 
radios

 

On Wed, Aug 4, 2021, 8:26 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

I think the unlicensed GE-MDS is rebranded Radwin.  Not a criticism, just a 
comment.

 

On 8/4/2021 10:02 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

The smaller water districts use Ubiquti or Cambium radios because they are 
inexpensive and they do the job well.  Limited budgets. 

 

El Paso Water Utilities uses licensed GE-MDS radios and licensed Cambium 
microwave radios because they can afford it.

 

 

 

On Wed, Aug 4, 2021, 7:24 AM Colin Stanners  wrote:

In any location that's "professional" or important enough to use that much DIN 
rail, I wouldn't use or expect to see any Ubnt products (other than Airfiber... 
even then it depends on link importance)

 

On Tue, Aug 3, 2021 at 4:55 PM Jaime Solorza  wrote:

We are replacing all the tough switches installed at wells and lift stations 
with Phoenix Contact switches and 24 VDC fed POE's. 

The TS-5s don't hold up well in our heat especially at lift station sites where 
enclosures are free standing and not inside buildings.

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Employee Handling

[Brian Webster]

Remember that it's human nature to resist change. When you make suggestions
there is change for her even if you don't see it. She may have some form of
anxiety and deals with it by thinking everything out in her head for the day
at the start of every day. If you go in and change what she had already
thought out and coped with for her day, it creates major stress for her even
if she doesn't realize it. The best managers recognize that everyone has a
certain level of bad reaction to change, be it planned or unplanned. Helping
people process the change always helps the workflow and workplace vibe.
Simple things like saying "I know you had this planned for today but we need
to do this instead" (and then tell them you realize that will cause them
delay on the other work) and being ok with it pushing the other tasks out,
will go a long way in realizing they don't have to do BOTH things at the
same time. You being reasonable about the change is something they likely
aren't prepared to hear from you. People have a strange way of adding
pressure to their lives without realizing it.

Good managers also know when not to make changes even if they would do
things differently. In the end if their process works for them and it causes
no issues with the business, what should you care how they do it? You aren't
actually doing the work, so don't you micromanage their work process. That
has a way of pissing a person off, where they think hell they don't do any
of this why should they be changing it. If you have to change for accounting
reasons or because other processes farther down the line are affected (in
this case maybe regulatory filings or shipping information off to external
accountants), then tell them why you NEED to make the change, then show them
or tell them where it's affecting the farther processes. Sometimes they
don't look at the whole picture, just their own tasks at hand. The change
can then be easier to handle since it has a real purpose. Also sharing the
whole process sometimes lets employees think about things more and they may
offer up suggestions as well that improve things.

When it comes to the additional hire, talk to the existing person. Ask her
what tasks consume the most time in her day and what seems to create timing
pressures for her. Ask her what process or task she might like relief or
help for. Then create the new position for those specific tasks and it might
make her realize you are doing this for her relief. If she insists she can
do it all, tell her you are concerned for her stress and happiness at work
and you want to take pressure off. Get her used to the idea she doesn't have
to be superwoman or that she needs to do it all and be responsible for it
all. She likely has never had the time to think about it that way, nor does
she realize that the company is getting bigger and she needs to shift and
split some of her duties based on that. Try to include her in this process.
If she still has attitude problems then at least you tried to do it the
right way and she just couldn't adapt, then  as Chuck said it's time for her
to move on and learn from her perspective and attitude at another place of
employment.

About the backup person or train your replacement, I would institute a
company policy that says at least one other person in every job needs a
second person who knows roughly how to do their duties. I would explain like
this, if a person cannot be sick for a day or two or take vacation, you have
failed as management by making one  irreplaceable and cause the company
major hardship if they are out for a few days. This also applies to
yourself. Everyone needs a break from time to time and that includes knowing
things will be ok if you take a few days off. You will kill yourself with
being worried or overworked in the long run without making that a policy and
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From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2021 1:43 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Cc: Chuck McCown
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Employee Handling

After visiting with her about the issues, I would ask her how she thinks you

should solve the problem.
She might surprise you.

You could have her find and hire someone to share the job duties.  She might

be more considerate of a coworker if it was her that made the selection.  Or

she could turn into maniac micro manager too.

My experience is that a problem employee rarely changes the problem 
behavior.  And when you finally get around letting them go, no matter how 
painful, you wonder why you didn't do it years ago.

You could simply hire a person and have her "train her replacement".  Like 
she needs vacation time so someone needs to be backup.  She will get the 
hint.  If she pitches a fit, wish her well in her future search for 
happiness.  If she begrudgingly trains up the replacement, you have 

Re: [AFMUG] T-Mobile PALs and CBRS GAA

[Brian Webster]

This is based on conversations with Richard Barnhart who understand this
probably as good as anyone. He did help develop the standards and SAS
requirements.

Just saying that while it's possible for the SAS to do that now, if more
users show up than there are channels there is no first in protections. Make
your business plans accordingly.

Thank you,
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www.wirelessmapping.com

-Original Message-
From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Monday, July 26, 2021 11:18 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group; Tyson Burris
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] T-Mobile PALs and CBRS GAA

What equipment are you using?  If 450 make sure you use Frame Type 2 for 
LTE Coexxistence.

Then contact your SAS who will promptly kick T-Mobile off of part of the 
GAA and allow both of you to coexist nicely.

On 7/25/21 6:24 AM, Tyson Burris wrote:
> Good morning AF Geeks-
> 
> Someone help me understand this better.  Several questions below.
> 
> We operate in six counties in Indiana.  Some rural some not so much.
> 
> In our main county (johnson) we are starting to get interference even 
> when we are connected to the SAS.
> 
> While we cannot prove anything yet, each tower we are seeing this on 
> recently had new T-Mobile equipment deployed.
> 
> I reached out to our attorney, Steve Coran, this week and asked him to 
> pulled the county PAL winners. Listed here:
> 
> PAL winners for Johnson County, IN:
> 
> XF Wireless Investment, LLC (Comcast) -- 20 MHz
> 
> Actel, LLC (CenturyLink) -- 20 MHz
> 
> Wetterhorn Wireless L.L.C. (DISH) – 30 MHz
> 
> -Century Link has zero cell services of any kind in our county and 
> currently not deploying in fixed wireless.
> 
> -Comcast floats off Verizon
> 
> -Dish also has zero cell services of any kind in our count
> 
> So what we ended up with is PAL winners who have nothing to offer 
> locally yet unless subleasing.
> 
> Questions are:
> 
> is T-Mobile subleasing PAL’s from any of these three?
> 
> Is T-Mobile illegally just rotating PAL’s anywhere they want in the 
> country instead of just local counties?
> 
> Anyway to clearly isolate the offending carrier sucking up so much 
> spectrum and causing all the interference?
> 
> Another member brought up T-Mobile as a possible offender.  Did any data 
> come from that?
> 
> What time of the day do the SAS databases sync with each other and does 
> this force other carriers to cut back on total GAA – share nicely?
> 
> Has anyone found the other SAS providers to be better then GOOGLE.  
> Starting to think their system is worthless or inaccurate.  Truth is I 
> think this whole concept of spectrum sharing is poorly handled and not 
> fully tested on 3g.
> 
> If a carrier is on the same tower, how will that affect sync?  I ask 
> because we found some very interesting work arounds and results with 
> upload when we started playing with sync settings…ie distance, frame, 
> channel.
> 
> If the customer SM is moved from one spot to another or from a roof to a 
> post how badly does this affect the calculations on the SAS side?
> 
> Things we have discovered:
> 
>   * Even when we find noise floors on spectrum analysis in a reasonable
> range and move to the cleaner channel on the SAS the interference
> still trashes the uplinks.
>   * In some cases the SAS is blocking the cleanest of channels which
> could be PAL related.
>   * In some cases customer SM’s going off other ‘unaffected’ sites
> nearby may get knocked offline by the new noise.
>   * In some cases we have had to drop off the SAS and found switching to
> other regulatory has allowed us to switch to cleaner channels and
> stabilized subs.  (which is exactly what we shouldn’t be doing)
>   * We have a ton of 450m units going on towers as both new and
> upgrades.  I am concerned that the more urban areas will struggle
> with capacity since we have to break this up across multiple sectors.
> 
> History and Equipment:
> 
> Again this seems very isolated to our more urban deployments which have 
> historically been awesome in the 50Mhz channels prior to CBRS turn ups.
> 
> Our more rural areas are not seeing this issue at all.
> 
> All three locations have very specific and brand new T-Mobile equipment 
> so this has been our assumption of the cause without such proof.
> 
> Equipment on these commercial towers has been no more then two 450i AP’s 
> with KP 120’ sectors (pending 450m upgrades).
> 
> *Tyson Burris, President**
> **Internet Communications Inc.**
> **739 Commerce Dr.**
> **Franklin, IN 46131**
> ***
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> 
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Re: [AFMUG] T-Mobile PALs and CBRS GAA

[Brian Webster]

Remember that as a GAA user just because you are in the SAS you do not have 
first in rights. The SAS only protects the licensed PAL holders. Anyone who 
shows up to play in the GAA channels has to fight among themselves the same as 
you do on any unlicensed channels.

 

I repeat, the first users on a GAA channel in the SAS have ZERO protections 
from other GAA users, even if they were already shown in the SAS as active 
registered users. The SAS will not protect you from someone else turning up 
equipment on the same GAA channel.

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Craig House
Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2021 11:17 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] T-Mobile PALs and CBRS GAA

 

I’ve been seeing this thread on the list for a while but hadn’t really read it. 
Probably worth keeping in mind when we do turn our stuff on to see how much 
interference there might be

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On Jul 25, 2021, at 10:09, Jaime Solorza  wrote:



T-Mobile took over lots of 2 and 3Ghz stuff from Sprint...maybe could be 
related to that..

 

On Sun, Jul 25, 2021, 7:45 AM Tyson Burris  wrote:

LOL, Mike you got to get in the game bro.

I typed that up half asleep as well.  

 

It’s not always that easy, but yes we have done all that.

You really think Crown, SBA, American care?

 

Crowns answer:  3ghz isn’t licensed anyone can use it plus you would need to 
contact the interfering party directly

 

Well they are partially right.  

 

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From: AF  On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2021 8:59 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] T-Mobile PALs and CBRS GAA

 

I just woke up, so maybe my reading comprehension isn't the best yet.

 

 

Can't you use a spectrum analyzer to track down the sources of the interference 
and then work with the tower owner on who it is that's on that tower and 
contact information?



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From: "Tyson Burris" 
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Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2021 5:24:25 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] T-Mobile PALs and CBRS GAA

Good morning AF Geeks-

 

Someone help me understand this better.  Several questions below.

We operate in six counties in Indiana.  Some rural some not so much.

In our main county (johnson) we are starting to get interference even when we 
are connected to the SAS.  

While we cannot prove anything yet, each tower we are seeing this on recently 
had new T-Mobile equipment deployed.  

 

I reached out to our attorney, Steve Coran, this week and asked him to pulled 
the county PAL winners. Listed here:

 

PAL winners for Johnson County, IN:

 

XF Wireless Investment, LLC (Comcast) -- 20 MHz

Actel, LLC (CenturyLink) -- 20 MHz

Wetterhorn Wireless L.L.C. (DISH) – 30 MHz

 

 

-Century Link has zero cell services of any kind in our county and currently 
not deploying in fixed wireless.

-Comcast floats off Verizon

-Dish also has zero cell services of any kind in our count

 

So what we ended up with is PAL winners who have nothing to offer locally yet 
unless subleasing.

 

Questions are:

 

is T-Mobile subleasing PAL’s from any of these three?

Is T-Mobile illegally just rotating PAL’s anywhere they want in the country 
instead of just local counties?

Anyway to clearly isolate the offending carrier sucking up so much spectrum and 
causing all the interference?

Another member brought up T-Mobile as a possible offender.  Did any data come 
from that?

What time of the day do the SAS databases sync with each other and does this 
force other carriers to cut back on total GAA – share nicely?

Re: [AFMUG] DFS in DC

[Brian Webster]

If one has studied the whole DFS issue, the Washington DC area would be the 
highest of likelihood of getting hits and taking the radios off those channels. 
DFS channels are shared with governmental (DOD, Military etc.) users. With 
locations like Andrews AFB (The home of Air Force One) then you are very much 
more likely of having hits from airborne units. TDWR is a separate issue and 
technically is not part of the DFS problem. TDWR is actually in permitted 
channels even before the band DFS was allowed. If an operator is near a TDWR 
facility (remembering these are super sensitive RADAR units with massive gain 
very directional antennas) then a WISP is not allowed to operate on that 
frequency for that RADAR unit.  Avoiding DFS channels does not avoid TDWR 
frequencies. Two separate issues.

 

DFS approved radios are approved to be able to recognize radio patterns 
provided by the NTIA so they can detect a likely military or governmental radio 
system and shut down/move off frequency. The industry was never told what types 
or any specifics of systems operating on these frequencies. Not even if they 
were ground based or airborne units or both. 

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2021 2:02 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DFS in DC

 

TDWR is also likely the least of one's concerns in DFS in terms of likelyhood 
to be impacted by.

 

Military use is the primary use of the band.

There are also dozens if not hundreds of private weather radars across the 
country using the 5 GHz band.



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From: "Zach Underwood" 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2021 12:51:38 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] DFS in DC

After getting more than a few hits at our DC MDU sites I looked up the TDWR and 
it looks like there are 4 TDWR within range of DC. I have since disabled DFS 
channels at our DC sites but wow. 

 

 Andrews Air Force Base (ADW), MD

 Baltimore/Wash (BWI), MD

 Dulles (IAD), VA 


 Washington National (DCA), MD  

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Re: [AFMUG] Network Transport of Local Broadcast TV

[Brian Webster]

Wasn't the rule established that you could not transport the
signal/programming over the public internet like Aero was doing? If that is
the case Sterling can you just set up the receiver headend on your own
fiber/network and then send it to your clients but not over the public
internet? If you are just looking for local channels that seems like a
doable project.



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From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2021 1:32 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Network Transport of Local Broadcast TV

Most stations don't broadcast from Lake Mountain so a lot of Saratoga
Springs (UT for the other reading this) is in the dark from Farnsworth.

I do have that half-finished project to take my fiber up the mountain to my
tower.

I wonder if that is the missing link to interest the broadcasters of DTV to
use Lake Mountain?

They would need a large capacity low latency fiber path from SLC to the
equipment on Lake Mountain to facilitate that, wouldn't they?

I also have pathing down I-15 as well...

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2021 10:59 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Network Transport of Local Broadcast TV

If the stations will give you retransmission permission you can do it.  But
they probably won't and they certainly won't for free with the possible
exception of KSL.  There are TV translators on Lake Mountain.  Cannot they
receive signals from there?

SCOTUS shot down the aereo case years ago where they put a pile of
centralized slingbox type of devices sharing an antenna system.

But, would you get caught?  Probably not.  And I presume the broadcasters
would have to bring a case against you.  Pretty sure the FCC would not carry
any enforcement water on their behalf.  You might get a letter from the FCC
saying to stop.  I doubt there would be a fine since you are not
broadcasting RF.

-Original Message-
From: Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2021 10:47 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: [AFMUG] Network Transport of Local Broadcast TV

I know we've discussed this before, but I forget if it's possible/legal to
do.

I've got customers in my network footprint that cannot receive public OTA TV
because they are blocked from seeing Farnsworth Peak in SLC, UT.

Is it possible technically to live tranceive the entire available spectrum
from an area that can receive it and set it up as a streaming service to my
own customers in network?

I'm not looking to charge anything, just to provide a solution here that is
both legal and effective.

Bandwidth isn't much of a concern, but I don't think I want to just provide
the raw DTV entire band(s) and transmit those because they are HUGE.
So I know I would want to live encode everything, and then have some way for
customers to decode that maybe just back into coax feed from Ethernet.


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Re: [AFMUG] Public broadband failures

[Brian Webster]

Are you talking about the UC2B network? That one in particular just agreed
to run it to get the Obama era funding to connect the college campuses as I
recall then they contracted out to an ISP to run and manage it.

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-Original Message-
From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2021 7:15 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] Public broadband failures

Does anyone know a compiled list of community broadband projects that 
have received federal funds then failed or got sold off?

One of the counties in our service area is in the process of 'thinking 
about building a fiber network that we(they) will run ourselves'  We're 
looking for examples we can give them where the government built then 
network, but was then unable to continue to run it, or it didn't play 
out the way they expected.

Here in Illinois, another county just recently transferred their BTOP 
funded Fiber network to a private entity because they were convinced 
they didn't want to run it anymore (there's more to the story, but 
that's the long and short from what I gather)  There's gotta be stories 
like this all over, has there been a list compiled somewhere?

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Re: [AFMUG] Solar and shade for AE Fiber Cabinet

[Brian Webster]

Figuring out how/where you need to have a device to shade a box should be the 
exact same process and figuring out the best place to mount a solar panel 
shouldn’t it? If fact wouldn’t logic dictate that you put in a solar panel, 
harvest the energy AND have it be the shading method as well?

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2021 9:55 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Solar and shade for AE Fiber Cabinet

 

Shade moves, but maybe you only concern yourself with where the sun is during 
the hottest 4 hours of summer days.

 

On 7/9/2021 10:24 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

That is a good point, shade moves.  So the shield will have to be big and maybe 
have vertical features.  I did shades.  Something convinced me they were not 
worth the effort.

Sent from my iPhone





On Jul 9, 2021, at 8:16 PM, Bill Prince  <mailto:part15...@gmail.com> 
 wrote:

 

Those are options. For sure, black will both absorb more and radiate more. The 
question is if you can keep it shaded. If not, then white is the choice. 

 

In a perfect world, you would paint it chameleon. White in the sun, and black 
in the shade/dark.




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On Fri, Jul 9, 2021 at 6:47 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

Someone ought to test that.

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On Jul 9, 2021, at 7:40 PM, Steve Jones  wrote:

 

I could have sworn it was afmug sourced, but somewhere along the line I picked 
up that a shaded enclosure will actually perform better if it is a dark color. 
The whites and reflective colors are better at reflecting energy off of them, 
but not at dissipating it, dark colors shed heat better. In a shaded 
environment reflectivity is moot. 

 

 

On Fri, Jul 9, 2021, 11:09 AM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

My tests had very little live load.  I think only 100 watts so that is probably 
the major difference.

We just use a color called satellite white.  I don’t think it matters much.  

 

From: castarritt 

Sent: Friday, July 9, 2021 9:26 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Solar and shade for AE Fiber Cabinet

 

Chuck, is there a specific paint you used to shield against solar radiation?  I 
rolled a gallon of white elastomeric roof coating from home depot onto one of 
our DDB boxes, and while it did drop the temp slightly, the results weren't 
that impressive.  I think the issue with our test is we chose a site that has 
~1.2kW of power draw, so most of the heat was likely from the equipment in the 
box rather than direct sunlight.

 

On Fri, Jul 2, 2021 at 1:21 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

20+ years ago, I set up 4 identical outdoor enclosures.  Temp telemetry.  Some 
live load, don’t remember the details.  They were about 24” cubes.  All started 
out as gray.  Tried sun shields, exterior insulation, vents, fans, peltier 
cooling modules.  Silver paint, white paint.  The overwhelming #1 thing that 
lowered temps was the satellite white paint.  By a long stretch.  Then filtered 
powered vents.  Silver paint was worse than gray.  I wonder if the railroad 
still used silver.  Sun shades did little to help if the box was satellite 
white.  Interior styrofoam insulation helped a bit, not much, but was cheap and 
easy to add to the white paint.

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On Jul 2, 2021, at 11:39 AM, Sterling Jacobson  wrote:

 

Super hot out here in Utah.

 

My fiber cabinets running Active switches are getting harder to maintain and AC 
units on the side of the cabinets are starting to fail faster.

 

I’ve had the thought of shading them with a permanent four post structure and a 
reflective white painted cover to shade them from the southern sun exposure.

 

Then I thought, well, maybe it might be interesting to “shade” the cabinet with 
solar panels as well.

 

Is anyone doing this?

 

The AE cabinets all have Alpha FXM 15 or 20A units running the UPS to a string 
of four 12v AGM batteries.

 

I do have limited rack space in some of these available since the batteries sit 
in a slide out section below.

 

Haven’t done solar in like a decade since I had remote WISP type sites.

 

Is this doable to offset power costs and also get the temp down for the cabinet?

 

Or is it just a huge time suck and money pit for no real return?

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Re: [AFMUG] Tracking UG locate requests

[Brian Webster]

https://plugins.qgis.org/plugins/ImportPhotos/

This tool can be used to import Geo-Tagged photos (jpg or jpeg) as points to
QGIS. The user is able to select a folder with photos and only the
geo-tagged photos will be taken. Then a layer will be created which it will
contain the name of the picture, its directory, the date and time taken,
altitude, longitude, latitude, azimuth, north, camera maker and model,
title, user comment and relative path. The plug-in doesn't need any third
party applications to work. It has two buttons; the one is to import
geotagged photos, and the other one is to be able to click on a point and
display the photo along with information regarding the date time and
altitude. The user can create one of the following file types: GeoJSON, SHP,
GPKG, CSV, KML, TAB. When the user saves a project and wants to reopen it,
the folder with the pictures should stay at the original file location or
moved at the same location of the project (e.g. *.qgz) in order to be able
to view the pictures. Mac users please refer to the Read Me file for further
guidance. The new version of Import photos gives the ability to the user to
use several basic filters on the image and save the picture. To use
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-Original Message-
From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2021 11:37 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Cc: Chuck McCown
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tracking UG locate requests

They do it to us.  I do it to them.
Especially if I am in the engineering phase I place tickets for geotech soil

sampling...

Generally the paint and flags last a few weeks, so go put paint back on the 
old paint.
Not sure how we organize photos.  Dates from meta data would get you most of

the way there.

-Original Message- 
From: Nate Burke
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2021 9:25 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] Tracking UG locate requests

For those of you with underground plant, how do you keep track of your
Locate requests?  In our area, lots of micro 5G cells are being
installed, so we have multiple locate requests for the same area. First
the City replaces the utility pole, then the Electrician bores in a
power feed, then one or more telcos bore fiber to the pole, this process
takes 2-3 months.  Around here at least, they are very lax about their
actual start date.  May get a locate request in on Tuesday saying boring
work starts on Thursday, then a week later a re-mark request comes in,
then a week after that another re-mark request before they actually do
the job.  Each one of these requests generates its own locate ticket.
It's easier to just pull the pictures to re-mark instead of hooking the
locator back up, since they are usually for about 40'-60' worth of
locating through their work area.  How do you keep track of the pictures
of different locates?  The locate Ticket number is useless try to find
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Re: [AFMUG] Tracking UG locate requests

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If you use the theodite apps on your phone cameras they should geotag the
photo and date stamp them. I think there are mapping programs and apps (QGIS
probably has a plugin for this as well). If you use QGIS and have your
underground pant in a mapping file, you can do most of that all in one
program.

QGIS has all kinds of neat plugins to do specialized work. Since it's an
open source platform, there is also plenty of internet and YouTube support
as well. You can't beat the price.

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From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2021 11:37 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Cc: Chuck McCown
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tracking UG locate requests

They do it to us.  I do it to them.
Especially if I am in the engineering phase I place tickets for geotech soil

sampling...

Generally the paint and flags last a few weeks, so go put paint back on the 
old paint.
Not sure how we organize photos.  Dates from meta data would get you most of

the way there.

-Original Message- 
From: Nate Burke
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2021 9:25 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] Tracking UG locate requests

For those of you with underground plant, how do you keep track of your
Locate requests?  In our area, lots of micro 5G cells are being
installed, so we have multiple locate requests for the same area. First
the City replaces the utility pole, then the Electrician bores in a
power feed, then one or more telcos bore fiber to the pole, this process
takes 2-3 months.  Around here at least, they are very lax about their
actual start date.  May get a locate request in on Tuesday saying boring
work starts on Thursday, then a week later a re-mark request comes in,
then a week after that another re-mark request before they actually do
the job.  Each one of these requests generates its own locate ticket.
It's easier to just pull the pictures to re-mark instead of hooking the
locator back up, since they are usually for about 40'-60' worth of
locating through their work area.  How do you keep track of the pictures
of different locates?  The locate Ticket number is useless try to find
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Re: [AFMUG] OT cellular security cameras

[Brian Webster]

Remember however that with Visible when tethered the bandwidth is limited to 
the tethered device to 5 meg down and 1 meg up. You may be able to put their 
SIM in a device that does not have their software possibly and get around this. 
I have read about it but not tried it on my devices.

 

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Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of TJ Trout
Sent: Wednesday, June 2, 2021 9:43 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT cellular security cameras

 

visible, $25 verizon unlimited

 

On Wed, Jun 2, 2021 at 5:30 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

How much would I expect to pay for 4G/LTE bandwidth if I put up a camera at a 
construction site where there is no WiFi?

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Re: [AFMUG] EBB Program

[Brian Webster]

PrePay for any services/features that are over and above your basic $50 a month 
plan. If they don’t pre-pay for the added services they get bumped back to the 
basic $50 plan features and speeds.

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Wednesday, May 5, 2021 3:47 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] EBB Program

 

"A provider may not disconnect a household for non-payment"

You're thinking pre-pay is a workaround?  "I'm not disconnecting them, they 
just haven't paid for the next month."

I'd be curious to see how well that flies, but I won't be the one to try it.

 

On 5/5/2021 1:27 PM, Brian Webster wrote:

And/or any of your plans that are above $50, just make them prepay per month, 
the additional amount.

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Wednesday, May 5, 2021 11:55 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] EBB Program

 

Wow.

So make sure you have a $50/month plan you can move them to?

 

On 5/5/2021 11:46 AM, Mark - Myakka Technologies wrote:

Official response from FCC

"Thank you for reaching out with your question.  

Your interpretation is correct.  A provider may not disconnect a household for 
non-payment associated with the EBB-supported service during the EBB Program.  
Upon the conclusion of the EBB Program, the provider’s generally applicable 
terms and conditions would apply and the provider could take action for that 
non-payment consistent with those terms and conditions.  

In the situation you describe where a household is not making payments on their 
EBB-supported service, a provider can move the household to a lower-priced tier 
provided that the package also qualifies for EBB Program (i.e., was offered as 
of 12/1/20). "


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I'd assume you're right.  "ability to participate" in a program has to be a 
distinct thing from having internet service.

On 5/4/2021 11:05 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:


There is another, alternative, way to read that paragraph, in that it might be 
saying something like "just because they were a deadbeat in the past, you can't 
deny them an EBB subsidy".   Not "if they're an EBB customer, you have to 
provide them service without regard to their ability to pay". 

I think this hinges on what it means by "ability to participate".   Does it 
mean you have to accept people who are EBB eligible regardless, or does it mean 
that you can't tell customers that they have to be current to retain their EBB 
subsidy.
The first option would be stupid (but not beyond the government to put into 
rules), the second seems reasonable - you can't use EBB eligibility as leverage 
to get customers to pay.   "If you don't stay current, we'll prevent you from 
getting your EBB subsidy and as such you'll have to pay even more"


On Mon, May 3, 2021 at 10:05 AM Mark - Myakka Technologies < 
<mailto:m...@mailmt.com> m...@mailmt.com> wrote:


For  those  that  are  doing  EBB,  what are your plans for non-paying
customers?  In the order there is the following clause

"participating providers must not deny an eligible household the
ability to participate in the EBB Program based on any past or present
arrearages with that provider"

I read that as we can not terminate service is a customer does not pay
their  share of the bill.  In theory a customer can sign up for a $125
plan, not pay a penny and tell us to go pound sand.

We  are  planning  to  tell  all  EBB customers if their account is in
arrearages,  they will be reduced to our $55/month plan until they are
paid in full.  I'm willing to eat $5/month.

I  have sent an email to the FCC to see if this would be allowed under
the order.  I'm waiting on a response.


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Re: [AFMUG] EBB Program

[Brian Webster]

And/or any of your plans that are above $50, just make them prepay per month, 
the additional amount.

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Wednesday, May 5, 2021 11:55 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] EBB Program

 

Wow.

So make sure you have a $50/month plan you can move them to?

 

On 5/5/2021 11:46 AM, Mark - Myakka Technologies wrote:

Official response from FCC

"Thank you for reaching out with your question.  

Your interpretation is correct.  A provider may not disconnect a household for 
non-payment associated with the EBB-supported service during the EBB Program.  
Upon the conclusion of the EBB Program, the provider’s generally applicable 
terms and conditions would apply and the provider could take action for that 
non-payment consistent with those terms and conditions.  

In the situation you describe where a household is not making payments on their 
EBB-supported service, a provider can move the household to a lower-priced tier 
provided that the package also qualifies for EBB Program (i.e., was offered as 
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Wednesday, May 5, 2021, 10:21:30 AM, you wrote:


I'd assume you're right.  "ability to participate" in a program has to be a 
distinct thing from having internet service.

On 5/4/2021 11:05 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:


There is another, alternative, way to read that paragraph, in that it might be 
saying something like "just because they were a deadbeat in the past, you can't 
deny them an EBB subsidy".   Not "if they're an EBB customer, you have to 
provide them service without regard to their ability to pay". 

I think this hinges on what it means by "ability to participate".   Does it 
mean you have to accept people who are EBB eligible regardless, or does it mean 
that you can't tell customers that they have to be current to retain their EBB 
subsidy.
The first option would be stupid (but not beyond the government to put into 
rules), the second seems reasonable - you can't use EBB eligibility as leverage 
to get customers to pay.   "If you don't stay current, we'll prevent you from 
getting your EBB subsidy and as such you'll have to pay even more"


On Mon, May 3, 2021 at 10:05 AM Mark - Myakka Technologies < 
<mailto:m...@mailmt.com> m...@mailmt.com> wrote:


For  those  that  are  doing  EBB,  what are your plans for non-paying
customers?  In the order there is the following clause

"participating providers must not deny an eligible household the
ability to participate in the EBB Program based on any past or present
arrearages with that provider"

I read that as we can not terminate service is a customer does not pay
their  share of the bill.  In theory a customer can sign up for a $125
plan, not pay a penny and tell us to go pound sand.

We  are  planning  to  tell  all  EBB customers if their account is in
arrearages,  they will be reduced to our $55/month plan until they are
paid in full.  I'm willing to eat $5/month.

I  have sent an email to the FCC to see if this would be allowed under
the order.  I'm waiting on a response.


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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Hold my beer 2

[Brian Webster]

Since every ship transits the canal with a certified pilot on board, I want to 
know the story from the pilot. As soon as they assume responsibility on the 
bridge it’s their problem.

 

Thank you,

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From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 3:19 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Hold my beer 2

 

You see, the root cause is that the canal is only 200 meters wide. If they had 
dredged it to 450 meters, that sucker could have done a little spin.

The other solution would be to only allow ships that are < 200 meters long.

 

bp


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Re: [AFMUG] OT Hold my beer

[Brian Webster]

OMG another drink through my nose, this crew is brutal...lol But the
statement is so true. 

 

Since they broke it free I am sure the high tide did not hurt one bit.

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 3:12 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hold my beer

 

"I'm losing millions of dollars every minute I'm offline"  Apparently all of
our customers operate the suez.  

On 3/29/2021 2:06 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

ive been watching this, it was a massive issue and it didnt take them all
that long to resolve it, its impressive. can you imagine a 400 million
dollar an hour pressure on your team?

 

On Mon, Mar 29, 2021 at 1:42 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

Pilot says I'll bet you cannot turn this thing around.

 

"Hold my beer" 

 

says captain of container ship "ever given".

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Re: [AFMUG] Nice rig

[Brian Webster]

For much less than 65 grand I could do path studies using the LIDAR data. That 
stuff is accurate to about 2 feet.

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Friday, March 12, 2021 3:45 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nice rig

 

They are doing path studies at 4.9GHz 

 

On Fri, Mar 12, 2021, 1:36 PM Steve Jones  wrote:

is that for bringing up temporary telemetry data or something?

 

On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 2:27 PM Jaime Solorza  wrote:

Yep a $70k cow with trailer and all..65ft

 

On Fri, Mar 12, 2021, 12:08 PM Steve Jones  wrote:

is that a COW?

 

On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 12:00 PM Jaime Solorza  
wrote:

Our water utilities just got this! 

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Re: [AFMUG] multipath on a reflector

[Brian Webster]

Doe this customer have the issue at a certain time of the day? Maybe around 
sunrise or sunset. It may be possible that it’s not multipath but at certain 
times of the year the antenna has a good path to picking up noise from the sun 
and that could be stronger than your AP signal? This usually is exhibited on 
paths that have an East/West orientation. Depending on the gain of the antenna 
it can be worse than others. Think of the sun either just above the horizon at 
sunrise or sunset and the focal beam on the antenna is such that it picks up 
that noise enough to be stronger than the AP. Depending on the time of year, 
tilt angle of the Earth etc., it looks like a seasonal issue.

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2021 1:36 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: [AFMUG] multipath on a reflector

 

our APs sit between 90 and 110 feet on average in flat terrain so we deal with 
alot of seasonal ground reflectivity issues. We have this one customer 
presenting again with whats probably multipath fading, I had tried putting a 
shield on the bottom half of the reflector once out of curiosity. It didnt do 
much

what im wondering though is how the ground reflected multipath feeds into the 
feedhorn.

is it reflecting off the top half of the dish and into the feedhorn like a 
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Re: [AFMUG] Your Own Satellite Internet

[Brian Webster]

Yes it was, but BOTH objects were moving in that case. 

 

Right space debris anywhere near the Clarke belt is a nasty thing to have to 
deal with and can render some of the parking spots useless. 

 

Yes a good James Bond or Austin Powers story line for sure. But if done as a 
Tom Clancy story it would probably be a lot better J

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert
Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2021 9:20 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Your Own Satellite Internet

 

Way below geo orbit, and creating debris in geo orbit would be all those 
operators up there idea of a disaster nightmare.   I imagine a great James Bond 
plot story would be Spectre putting something up there and threatening to ruin 
that orbit for a ransom.

On 2/25/21 5:50 PM, Brian Webster wrote:

Well the US Navy proved they can enforce the parking rules back in 2008. To 
quote Sheldon Cooper,  “You’re in my spot”

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fuv72VM9q8

 

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2021 7:47 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Your Own Satellite Internet

 

maybe they wrap your bird with tin foil like a space boot

 

On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 6:28 PM Jason McKemie 
 wrote:

And where's the tow truck if you just take a spot?

On Thursday, February 25, 2021, Steve Jones  wrote:

So if a nation is not recognized by the UN then they have free parking?

 

On Thu, Feb 25, 2021, 5:52 PM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:

ITU controls the slots:  
https://alexsli.com/thespacebar/2017/7/the-international-telecommunications-union-orbital-satellite-parking-enforcement

 

Mark






On Feb 25, 2021, at 6:02 PM, Steve Jones  wrote:

 

Who controls the parking spots? And what if you just decide to put one there? 
I'd like to have Elon dough where I could just get in a parking spot fight in 
space for spite. I wonder if alec Baldwin is the enforcer, he just punches you 
in the face if you take a spot.

 

On Thu, Feb 25, 2021, 4:30 PM Brian Webster  wrote:

Matt,

Looking at your post on Facebook, I think you have 
misunderstood the Geostationary definition. There is only one orbit height that 
rotates around the earth at the same speed as the Earth rotates and it is 
located at the equator. That is called the Clarke Belt and it is 22,236 miles 
above the earth. Your question about a Leo and it being Geostationary are 
contradictions in terms. In the Clarke belt since it’s just one line of 
“parking spots” around the earth (at the equator only), one does not just set 
up their own. They are very coveted spots in the belt and only the expensive 
birds reside there. At 22,236 miles above the earth, a Cambium radio or similar 
device won’t have enough power to reach back to a CPE. In addition to that and 
you will have high latency just like the current geostationary satellite 
systems do. That radio signal has to travel 44,472 miles, hence the latency 
people complain about.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geostationary_orbit

 

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com <http://www.wirelessmapping.com/> 

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert
Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2021 4:31 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Your Own Satellite Internet

 

Yes, Look up the various "Stats" that have been tethered at the borders 
over the years with balloons for radar coverage of low flying aircraft and the 
NOTAMS that are posted for them.  They have a very large ( relatively ) 
exclusion zone and you have to worry about said tethers falling and doing 
damage on the way down.

On 2/25/21 11:39 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:

Those tethers would be a nightmare for aviation.

 

On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 1:31 PM Brian Webster  wrote:

One also has to calculate the window that your satellite is visible on the 
ground of your target service area based on the altitude you will have the bird 
orbiting. Many times any of the Amateur radio satellites only have a 10 or 15 
minute window of visibility a few times a day. For 24/7 internet service you 
need to have many orbital object/satellites such that when one move out of view 
another is there for the handoff. The lower orbit you have, the smaller window 
you have. So a LEO small footprint coverage is still going to take a lot of 
satellites just to cover you small territory. How many all depends on the area 
and altitude. Since your satellite is not going to be in a stationary orbit, I 
am sure you need international cooperation to file for all the orbits you need 
to just cover your small footprint in the US because that orbit goes all the 
way around the earth and has effect on others who might need a similar orbit. A 
good portion of the time your satellite is flying through the sky for your 

Re: [AFMUG] Question for the Borg

[Brian Webster]

Over this past summer I was able to keep sea gulls from roosting on the canopy 
of my boat by just hanging a few of these on the boat and radio antenna. Not 
sure if it works on all birds but the gulls did not like it. They picked on 
other people’s boats instead who didn’t have something like it.

 

https://www.dollargeneral.com/products/product-page.dg-party-diy-tassel-garland-6ct.html

 

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2021 8:44 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Cc: Chuck McCown
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Question for the Borg

 

PETA would get you like they did for the coconut harvesting monkeys,

Sent from my iPhone





On Feb 25, 2021, at 5:59 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:



Now, that is what I call a brilliant idea! 

 

On Thu, Feb 25, 2021, 6:50 PM Steve Jones  wrote:

maybe find a geneticists with loose morals to cross a cat with a monkey. you 
could rent your tower cat monkeys out like they do for beehives.

 

that pic though looks like they did crummy job of netting, it all inside and 
doesnt inhibit any of the nesting points.

 

On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 6:22 PM Jaime Solorza  wrote:

I have heard those on strip mall signs...

 

On Thu, Feb 25, 2021, 4:14 PM Jan-GAMs  wrote:

I've seen farmers use a battery-powered box that emits a loud chirping sound 
which imitates a number of bird-like sounds to keep birds out of their 
orchards.  It was very effective.  Birds are like people, they need to talk and 
don't like interruptions, they just leave.  One I saw used a recording of the 
sound birds make when they see a hawk.

On 2/25/21 2:59 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

How close can you put those pipe cleaner looking lightning rods?

 

On Thu, Feb 25, 2021, 4:19 PM Jaime Solorza  wrote:

Some guvt agencies looking for bird netting solution for their camera 
towers...birds nest and crap on them. 

They tried the spinning shining contraption... does not scare them away...

Ideas? 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Your Own Satellite Internet

[Brian Webster]

Well the US Navy proved they can enforce the parking rules back in 2008. To 
quote Sheldon Cooper,  “You’re in my spot”

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fuv72VM9q8

 

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2021 7:47 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Your Own Satellite Internet

 

maybe they wrap your bird with tin foil like a space boot

 

On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 6:28 PM Jason McKemie 
 wrote:

And where's the tow truck if you just take a spot?

On Thursday, February 25, 2021, Steve Jones  wrote:

So if a nation is not recognized by the UN then they have free parking?

 

On Thu, Feb 25, 2021, 5:52 PM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:

ITU controls the slots:  
https://alexsli.com/thespacebar/2017/7/the-international-telecommunications-union-orbital-satellite-parking-enforcement

 

Mark





On Feb 25, 2021, at 6:02 PM, Steve Jones  wrote:

 

Who controls the parking spots? And what if you just decide to put one there? 
I'd like to have Elon dough where I could just get in a parking spot fight in 
space for spite. I wonder if alec Baldwin is the enforcer, he just punches you 
in the face if you take a spot.

 

On Thu, Feb 25, 2021, 4:30 PM Brian Webster  wrote:

Matt,

Looking at your post on Facebook, I think you have 
misunderstood the Geostationary definition. There is only one orbit height that 
rotates around the earth at the same speed as the Earth rotates and it is 
located at the equator. That is called the Clarke Belt and it is 22,236 miles 
above the earth. Your question about a Leo and it being Geostationary are 
contradictions in terms. In the Clarke belt since it’s just one line of 
“parking spots” around the earth (at the equator only), one does not just set 
up their own. They are very coveted spots in the belt and only the expensive 
birds reside there. At 22,236 miles above the earth, a Cambium radio or similar 
device won’t have enough power to reach back to a CPE. In addition to that and 
you will have high latency just like the current geostationary satellite 
systems do. That radio signal has to travel 44,472 miles, hence the latency 
people complain about.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geostationary_orbit

 

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com <http://www.wirelessmapping.com/> 

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert
Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2021 4:31 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Your Own Satellite Internet

 

Yes, Look up the various "Stats" that have been tethered at the borders 
over the years with balloons for radar coverage of low flying aircraft and the 
NOTAMS that are posted for them.  They have a very large ( relatively ) 
exclusion zone and you have to worry about said tethers falling and doing 
damage on the way down.

On 2/25/21 11:39 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:

Those tethers would be a nightmare for aviation.

 

On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 1:31 PM Brian Webster  wrote:

One also has to calculate the window that your satellite is visible on the 
ground of your target service area based on the altitude you will have the bird 
orbiting. Many times any of the Amateur radio satellites only have a 10 or 15 
minute window of visibility a few times a day. For 24/7 internet service you 
need to have many orbital object/satellites such that when one move out of view 
another is there for the handoff. The lower orbit you have, the smaller window 
you have. So a LEO small footprint coverage is still going to take a lot of 
satellites just to cover you small territory. How many all depends on the area 
and altitude. Since your satellite is not going to be in a stationary orbit, I 
am sure you need international cooperation to file for all the orbits you need 
to just cover your small footprint in the US because that orbit goes all the 
way around the earth and has effect on others who might need a similar orbit. A 
good portion of the time your satellite is flying through the sky for your 
local footprint, it’s not going to be doing much of anything because it’s not 
visible to any of your customers. Until we get some sort of tethered satellite 
solution that is tied to the ground and centrifugal force hold the satellite in 
place, these are the laws of physics one has to contend with. If someone can 
invest a very lightweight tethering string of some sort that when it is long 
enough the total weight of said string does not overcome the amount of 
centrifugal force achieved at your desired height to allow the radio/satellite 
to stay in place without needing to be an orbital object. If that is invested 
and it also allows for transmission of adequate power and data, that could be a 
real game changer. As far as I know 90,000 feet of something to be a good 
tether weighs more than the force that could keep the device flung out that far.